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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gaztonniller on September 09, 2010, 08:51:37 AM
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where all the inhabitants and birds are able to drink leisurely from the pure, cool water of revitalised player talent flowing out of VP?
Or in other words, what now for those formerly sidelined & fringe players under O'Neill, and those players whose full commitment to the cause & ability the fans have queried. Can the Houllier route be their way back to VP & fan redemption.
Consider this. During 2000–01 season ?????? (signed under Houllier) excelled to silence concerns over his goalscoring ability by scoring 23 goals for Liverpool.
Now If the currently much maligned ?????? can flourish to such an extent under GH, then (hoping lightning strike twice) who else might you hope to see also excell under GH on the pitch?
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Houlier was a genius to get Heskey to score 22 goals in one season.. Unbelievable...
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If he can can Sidwell performing that would be nice.
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Shouldn't be too hard at all. I was a MON supporter, but really thought, the substitution/resting players issue could have helped garner a few more points if done properly.
Can we keep up with teams that had the chance to replenish the squad? Remains to be seen.
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Given Houllier's previous 'defence first' approach, I wonder if he'll value the protection NRC gives the back four and use him as MON did circa 07/08?
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Can anyone imagine Gerard Houllier having a fight with NRC? Just asking, like.
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Is it slightly ironic that GH's first game in charge is on Mon.?
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I can see him bringing something to table looking upwards now.
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It's a fresh start for all the players, they should all be given a chance to impress.
I'm sure Houllier thinks that way, do the fans?
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A fresh start is what players like NRC, Sidwell and Davies need.
If GH can get these performing to their best and challenging for a place in the side then we'll be better off for it.
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It's a fresh start for all the players, they should all be given a chance to impress.
I'm sure Houllier thinks that way, do the fans?
Of course we do.
Absolutely every single player from the youngest kid to Ashley Young starts with a clean sheet and has a chance to stake their claim to a place in the side.
Except Emile Heskey!
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Except Emile Heskey!
What not even if Houllier manages to get him scoring 20 goals a season again? I know the odds are against it to say the least but stranger things have been known. Possibly.
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It would be underpants twistingly irritating and equally delightful at the same time if he somehow managed to get the Sidwell to perform how he did for Reading.
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It's a fresh start for all the players, they should all be given a chance to impress.
I'm sure Houllier thinks that way, do the fans?
Of course we do.
Absolutely every single player from the youngest kid to Ashley Young starts with a clean sheet and has a chance to stake their claim to a place in the side.
Except Emile Heskey!
It was Emile that I had in my mind.
To my way of thinking it's Year Zero, we start again from now and the slate should be wiped clean for all of them, including Mr Heskey. After all he's our equal top scorer this season. <wink>
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I think we'll see over the season a big difference mainly due to having proper coaching. It may be a bit of a shock to the players at first but I'm guessing the better players are going to thrive on it. It's not going to happen overnight but we'll be a lot more organised and comfortable with the ball. Obviously good coaching can only improve a player to a certain extent but our squad are not as bad as they've pretended to be, so hopefully we can make something of this season.
I for one am looking forward to a 21st century Villa team.
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No amount of clean slates is going to get Emule playing well for us.
If it looks like shit, smells like shit, then it probably is shit.
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No amount of clean slates is going to get Emule playing well for us.
If it looks like shit, smells like shit, then it probably is shit.
Might also be a golden penny that been covered in S!!t
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I suspect that GH will be a failure this season in that he will not keep the club at its current level.
Villa stand in fourth spot at the moment, but there's virtually no chance they'll be there come May
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Can anyone imagine Gerard Houllier having a fight with NRC? Just asking, like.
The first job that GH should sort out is straightening NRC's bent feet.
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I suspect that GH will be a failure this season in that he will not keep the club at its current level.
Villa stand in fourth spot at the moment, but there's virtually no chance they'll be there come May
I don't think we have any realistic chance of fourth, either, but really we can't expect GH to perform miracles in one season, having been parachuted in today.
It's going to take him a while to assess the squad, start getting them used to getting trained again (miaow!), and to get them playing the way he wants to. Any manager would need to do that.
I also agree that he needs to give players a fair crack of the whip. That includes those who, personally I'd rather we never saw again, such as Heskey and Sidwell, because no matter what we think of them, he as the manager has to form his own opinion.
On a broader point, I hope the board support him in the transfer market, to put to rest some of the hysterical wailing on here the last month or two about our chairman.
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I suspect that GH will be a failure this season in that he will not keep the club at its current level.
Villa stand in fourth spot at the moment, but there's virtually no chance they'll be there come May
I don't think we have any realistic chance of fourth, either, but really we can't expect GH to perform miracles in one season, having been parachuted in today.
It's going to take him a while to assess the squad, start getting them used to getting trained again (miaow!), and to get them playing the way he wants to. Any manager would need to do that.
I also agree that he needs to give players a fair crack of the whip. That includes those who, personally I'd rather we never saw again, such as Heskey and Sidwell, because no matter what we think of them, he as the manager has to form his own opinion.
On a broader point, I hope the board support him in the transfer market, to put to rest some of the hysterical wailing on here the last month or two about our chairman.
Surely if it was hysterical wailing you don't need to hope as that support will be there regardless. The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed and suggests that he will need to wheel and deal which supports the view that we still have to get players out in order to bring others in presumably as the wage bill is still an issue. Sell to buy by any other name.
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I suspect that GH will be a failure this season in that he will not keep the club at its current level.
Villa stand in fourth spot at the moment, but there's virtually no chance they'll be there come May
I don't think we have any realistic chance of fourth, either, but really we can't expect GH to perform miracles in one season, having been parachuted in today.
It's going to take him a while to assess the squad, start getting them used to getting trained again (miaow!), and to get them playing the way he wants to. Any manager would need to do that.
I also agree that he needs to give players a fair crack of the whip. That includes those who, personally I'd rather we never saw again, such as Heskey and Sidwell, because no matter what we think of them, he as the manager has to form his own opinion.
On a broader point, I hope the board support him in the transfer market, to put to rest some of the hysterical wailing on here the last month or two about our chairman.
Surely if it was hysterical wailing you don't need to hope as that support will be there regardless. The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed and suggests that he will need to wheel and deal which supports the view that we still have to get players out in order to bring others in presumably as the wage bill is still an issue. Sell to buy by any other name.
Only if you accept the contents of one press article as gospel.
I prefer to believe what the club say, and there has not been a declaration of sell to buy at any point. Doing something about the wages bill is not the same thing, necessarily.
EDIT: Christ, that was a gigantic quote fail there.
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I suspect that GH will be a failure this season in that he will not keep the club at its current level.
Villa stand in fourth spot at the moment, but there's virtually no chance they'll be there come May
I don't think we have any realistic chance of fourth, either, but really we can't expect GH to perform miracles in one season, having been parachuted in today.
It's going to take him a while to assess the squad, start getting them used to getting trained again (miaow!), and to get them playing the way he wants to. Any manager would need to do that.
I also agree that he needs to give players a fair crack of the whip. That includes those who, personally I'd rather we never saw again, such as Heskey and Sidwell, because no matter what we think of them, he as the manager has to form his own opinion.
On a broader point, I hope the board support him in the transfer market, to put to rest some of the hysterical wailing on here the last month or two about our chairman.
Surely if it was hysterical wailing you don't need to hope as that support will be there regardless. The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed and suggests that he will need to wheel and deal which supports the view that we still have to get players out in order to bring others in presumably as the wage bill is still an issue. Sell to buy by any other name.
Or sound financial management by another name.
How many people would whine and moan if the next set off figures show wages as 90% or 100% of turnover? You can't have it both ways.
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I suspect that GH will be a failure this season in that he will not keep the club at its current level.
Villa stand in fourth spot at the moment, but there's virtually no chance they'll be there come May
I don't think we have any realistic chance of fourth, either, but really we can't expect GH to perform miracles in one season, having been parachuted in today.
It's going to take him a while to assess the squad, start getting them used to getting trained again (miaow!), and to get them playing the way he wants to. Any manager would need to do that.
I also agree that he needs to give players a fair crack of the whip. That includes those who, personally I'd rather we never saw again, such as Heskey and Sidwell, because no matter what we think of them, he as the manager has to form his own opinion.
On a broader point, I hope the board support him in the transfer market, to put to rest some of the hysterical wailing on here the last month or two about our chairman.
Surely if it was hysterical wailing you don't need to hope as that support will be there regardless. The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed and suggests that he will need to wheel and deal which supports the view that we still have to get players out in order to bring others in presumably as the wage bill is still an issue. Sell to buy by any other name.
Or sound financial management by another name.
How many people would whine and moan if the next set off figures show wages as 90% or 100% of turnover? You can't have it both ways.
Agree. Making plans to reduce the wage bill by moving on players that are not being used, before signing new ones, is a great idea.
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If he can get anything out of Sidwell and Downing,then the guy is a genius. More movement,and playing through midfield would be a bonus.
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If he can get anything out of Sidwell and Downing,then the guy is a genius. More movement,and playing through midfield would be a bonus.
I think Downing gets a raw deal.
He's got his faults, and he definitely needs to raise his game far more often, but he's shown he's a talented footballer.
Sidwell I'm far, far less convinced by, but if GH wants to give him his chance, then I'm happy to see how it pans out.
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I'll agree Downing has talent,but he goes missing too much,he should try and get on the ball more and be less of a pussy. Sidwell is probably just not good enough.
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It's amazing how all our expectation levels have dropped through the floor now, from Champions League to mid table mediocrity seems to be the general concensus, perhaps that's what this uninspiring appointment was designed to do.
Sorry but I'm underwhelmed.
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Downing needs to be given a chance. He was never fully fit last season after the injury. However, there's no excuses now - he's got to produce. I thought he looked really good in the West Ham match.
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The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed..
I take it you agree with him about MON's departure being "spiteful"?
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My prediction based on seeing him at Liverpool think we'll see 4-4-1-1. Petrov, Sidwell, Ireland, NRC and Downing in midfield and Ashley off Gabby.
I think it'll be narrow and hard to beat first and foremost.
Of course that was based on him around 8 years ago with different players and expectations, so who knows?
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The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed..
I take it you agree with him about MON's departure being "spiteful"?
No, that's just an opinion.
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Could someone provide a link to this article please?
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I suspect that GH will be a failure this season in that he will not keep the club at its current level.
Villa stand in fourth spot at the moment, but there's virtually no chance they'll be there come May
I don't think we have any realistic chance of fourth, either, but really we can't expect GH to perform miracles in one season, having been parachuted in today.
It's going to take him a while to assess the squad, start getting them used to getting trained again (miaow!), and to get them playing the way he wants to. Any manager would need to do that.
I also agree that he needs to give players a fair crack of the whip. That includes those who, personally I'd rather we never saw again, such as Heskey and Sidwell, because no matter what we think of them, he as the manager has to form his own opinion.
On a broader point, I hope the board support him in the transfer market, to put to rest some of the hysterical wailing on here the last month or two about our chairman.
Surely if it was hysterical wailing you don't need to hope as that support will be there regardless. The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed and suggests that he will need to wheel and deal which supports the view that we still have to get players out in order to bring others in presumably as the wage bill is still an issue. Sell to buy by any other name.
Or sound financial management by another name.
How many people would whine and moan if the next set off figures show wages as 90% or 100% of turnover? You can't have it both ways.
I agree it's the right way to work. You can't just keep adding to the wage bill. However, we should be hoest about it. In the short term at least, players have to leave to enable others to come in. The shorthand way of describing a policy of that sort is 'sell to buy'.
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Could someone provide a link to this article please?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1310418/Aston-Villa-fans-support-club--new-manager-Gerard-Houllier.html? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1310418/Aston-Villa-fans-support-club--new-manager-Gerard-Houllier.html?)
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Could someone provide a link to this article please?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1310418/Aston-Villa-fans-support-club--new-manager-Gerard-Houllier.html? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1310418/Aston-Villa-fans-support-club--new-manager-Gerard-Houllier.html?)
Ta, not a lot to take issue with there.
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The Moxley article linked elsewhere seems well informed..
I take it you agree with him about MON's departure being "spiteful"?
No, that's just an opinion.
A "well informed" opinion according to your good self.
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I agree it's the right way to work. You can't just keep adding to the wage bill. However, we should be hoest about it. In the short term at least, players have to leave to enable others to come in. The shorthand way of describing a policy of that sort is 'sell to buy'.
That's where we disagree.
We don't actually know that.
We could, for example, work on the wage bill (selling off high earning under used players) whilst adding other players. In other words, an acknowledgement that there is no bottomless pit of money, and we need to rejig the way we're allocating resources accordingly - like you said, working on the wage bill.
That's not the same as "sell to buy" which has the connotation of "sell FIRST buy after". I suspect the reason "sell to buy" gets used is because it sounds far more dramatic and throws up images of the spending being blocked entirely.
If GH tells RL he'll do something to reduce the wage bill, but asks RL for money to buy a striker in January, for example, is RL going to insist that he moves players on first before spending?
Or will he take GH's assurances that he will do something, get the striker in, and not insist it happens first?
Those are two totally different ways of looking at it, but both involve "doing something about" the wage bill.
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Hope he doesn't take Downings shit. Sick of that little prick jumping out of tackles and standing there looking around him. £12m..lol.
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Chris:
re this sell to buy / wages bill thing, we could probably go on and on about our intepretations, so we might as well not bother, as we're not going to agree.
I think what disappointed me so much was that - regardless of which slant on it turns out to be right, yours or mine - at the first real signs of some financial prudence, and slowing things down a bit, so many people decided to turn against the board and take it as some sign of slamming on the anchors full stop.
Surely all clubs have stages where they have to watch their spending? I notice Spurs spent pretty much sod all this summer, at least uintil they'd reached the CL group phases and had some more money guaranteed.
I guess it comes down to whether we're prepared to think that we might be in a phase like that, where we're being a bit more circumspect in terms of the global picture of the club's finances, or if we prefer to think the worst and that Lerner has put his wallet away for good.
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It's amazing how all our expectation levels have dropped through the floor now, from Champions League to mid table mediocrity seems to be the general concensus, perhaps that's what this uninspiring appointment was designed to do.
Sorry but I'm underwhelmed.
Perhaps not but then perhaps some people are being realistic and taking into account the shit we were left in when the previous manager quit so late in the day, and how long it may take to recover from that.
I doubt Houllier has a magic wand and can get the squad up to his speed in 3-4 months, let alone 3-4 days.
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Chris:
I think what disappointed me so much was that - regardless of which slant on it turns out to be right, yours or mine - at the first real signs of some financial prudence, and slowing things down a bit, so many people decided to turn against the board and take it as some sign of slamming on the anchors full stop.
Do you not think many if not all of those thinking that way are from those who were most upset by the previous managers exit and looked to push the blame for it towards the Board.
Seems many of the same ilk have little time for Ged either.
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Chris:
I think what disappointed me so much was that - regardless of which slant on it turns out to be right, yours or mine - at the first real signs of some financial prudence, and slowing things down a bit, so many people decided to turn against the board and take it as some sign of slamming on the anchors full stop.
Do you not think many if not all of those thinking that way are from those who were most upset by the previous managers exit and looked to push the blame for it towards the Board.
Seems many of the same ilk have little time for Ged either.
You seem to believe that everyone must hold strictly black & white opinions and that those of us who thought MON's presence was a positive one must therefore wish ill on the board following his departure. Its far to simplistic to think that way.
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Chris:
I think what disappointed me so much was that - regardless of which slant on it turns out to be right, yours or mine - at the first real signs of some financial prudence, and slowing things down a bit, so many people decided to turn against the board and take it as some sign of slamming on the anchors full stop.
Do you not think many if not all of those thinking that way are from those who were most upset by the previous managers exit and looked to push the blame for it towards the Board.
Seems many of the same ilk have little time for Ged either.
You are, as ever, talking bollocks.
People like me, JohnM and Toronto who were all behind the previous manager have also been positive about the new appointment.
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It's amazing how all our expectation levels have dropped through the floor now, from Champions League to mid table mediocrity seems to be the general concensus, perhaps that's what this uninspiring appointment was designed to do.
Sorry but I'm underwhelmed.
It's amazing that with the arrival of MON the expectation was so high. We all pretty much thought that this was the man to launch us into the elite. All on the basis that he'd succeeded in a two horse race and had relative success at Leicester.
More than that, I think we all believed in MON, believed that his intelligence and TV personality was all that was needed to break the top 4 monopoly. We were wrong.
GH has a track record in the Prem that a club such as ours should be chomping at the bit for him to be our manager. This is based purely on the fact that he has won shit loads with clubs that he has managed in the past.
Rather than being underwhelmed we should be overwhelmed that he is now our manager. We should be excited that he has secured the services of a coach who was in his team that produced that treble at Liverpool. We should also be excited that we will be linked with young up and coming hardly known French/European strikers instead of the limit of our expectations being Robbie Keane on a final big pay day. I am any way.
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Chris:
re this sell to buy / wages bill thing, we could probably go on and on about our intepretations, so we might as well not bother, as we're not going to agree.
I think what disappointed me so much was that - regardless of which slant on it turns out to be right, yours or mine - at the first real signs of some financial prudence, and slowing things down a bit, so many people decided to turn against the board and take it as some sign of slamming on the anchors full stop.
Surely all clubs have stages where they have to watch their spending? I notice Spurs spent pretty much sod all this summer, at least uintil they'd reached the CL group phases and had some more money guaranteed.
I guess it comes down to whether we're prepared to think that we might be in a phase like that, where we're being a bit more circumspect in terms of the global picture of the club's finances, or if we prefer to think the worst and that Lerner has put his wallet away for good.
I think he'll still support player purchases but that will have to be done within a framework where salaries are linked to revenue and that, in crude terms, when we're at our limit one in will mean one out. I also think that's a sensible way to operate.
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It's amazing that with the arrival of MON the expectation was so high. We all pretty much thought that this was the man to launch us into the elite. All on the basis that he'd succeeded in a two horse race and had relative success at Leicester.
More than that, I think we all believed in MON, believed that his intelligence and TV personality was all that was needed to break the top 4 monopoly. We were wrong.
GH has a track record in the Prem that a club such as ours should be chomping at the bit for him to be our manager. This is based purely on the fact that he has won shit loads with clubs that he has managed in the past.
Rather than being underwhelmed we should be overwhelmed that he is now our manager. We should be excited that he has secured the services of a coach who was in his team that produced that treble at Liverpool. We should also be excited that we will be linked with young up and coming hardly known French/European strikers instead of the limit of our expectations being Robbie Keane on a final big pay day. I am any way.
I think the difference is that expectations are much higher now than in the summer of 2006. That's as much testiment to the contribution of Martin O'Neill (yes, and Randy's money) as anything I can think of.
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It's amazing that with the arrival of MON the expectation was so high. We all pretty much thought that this was the man to launch us into the elite. All on the basis that he'd succeeded in a two horse race and had relative success at Leicester.
More than that, I think we all believed in MON, believed that his intelligence and TV personality was all that was needed to break the top 4 monopoly. We were wrong.
GH has a track record in the Prem that a club such as ours should be chomping at the bit for him to be our manager. This is based purely on the fact that he has won shit loads with clubs that he has managed in the past.
Rather than being underwhelmed we should be overwhelmed that he is now our manager. We should be excited that he has secured the services of a coach who was in his team that produced that treble at Liverpool. We should also be excited that we will be linked with young up and coming hardly known French/European strikers instead of the limit of our expectations being Robbie Keane on a final big pay day. I am any way.
I think the difference is that expectations are much higher now than in the summer of 2006. That's as much testiment to the contribution of Martin O'Neill (yes, and Randy's money) as anything I can think of.
I agree John.
I should have added that MON moved us on in his 4 seasons and should be thanked for that. He deserved another one to allow us to go that step further but probably did us a favour by walking as he couldn't deliver on a very important part of his job.
Overall, MON didn't meet most of our expectations. The expectations from GH aren't anywhere nearly as high as when MON came which is odd when you think of what he has achieved in his career.
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I should have added that MON moved us on in his 4 seasons and should be thanked for that. He deserved another one to allow us to go that step further but probably did us a favour by walking as he couldn't deliver on a very important part of his job.
That's a very interesting point.
If you look beyond the timing, perhaps he did do us a favour in that sense.
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I should have added that MON moved us on in his 4 seasons and should be thanked for that. He deserved another one to allow us to go that step further but probably did us a favour by walking as he couldn't deliver on a very important part of his job.
That's a very interesting point.
If you look beyond the timing, perhaps he did do us a favour in that sense.
It was a favour if we replace him with someone significantly better, which I'm yet to be convinced we have.
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I should have added that MON moved us on in his 4 seasons and should be thanked for that. He deserved another one to allow us to go that step further but probably did us a favour by walking as he couldn't deliver on a very important part of his job.
That's a very interesting point.
If you look beyond the timing, perhaps he did do us a favour in that sense.
It was a favour if we replace him with someone significantly better, which I'm yet to be convinced we have.
That's what i mean, though, you'd have to look beyond the fact he did it when he did to be able to see it as a favour - and when he chose to do it had a major impact on who we could possibly get to replace him.
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I think the difference is that expectations are much higher now than in the summer of 2006. That's as much testiment to the contribution of Martin O'Neill (yes, and Randy's money) as anything I can think of.
Higher than when Mon joined ??
I find that strange, he didn't get the nickname the Messiah without reason.
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I think the difference is that expectations are much higher now than in the summer of 2006. That's as much testiment to the contribution of Martin O'Neill (yes, and Randy's money) as anything I can think of.
Higher than when Mon joined ??
I find that strange, he didn't get the nickname the Messiah without reason.
How high were expectations in 2006, though?
We'd just come out of the penniless Doug era, so surely pretty much anything was going to be an improvement to start with.
We might have expected a lot because we had a billionaire benefactor rather than a tight travel agent, but at the same time, I don't think too many people were moaning after MON's first season when we finished 11th.
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There are too many questions to fully answer, but under Houllier I'd expect Gabby to be a little more prolific at least, making a comparison to the halcyon days of Owen at Liverpool.
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From the Express and Star comments page:
The thing I hate most about Aston Villa fans is they cant admit that this is going to be the biggest cock up since the David O`Leary days.
I know for a fact this appointment wont work out as Garard Houllier`s style of football is boaring and totally defensive.
Randy Learner would of been better going for Tony Mowbray as his style of play is just what players like A.young, Downing, Sidwell, and Albrighton could thrive on. Mowbray`s attacking football never worked for Albion as we didnt have the quality strikers to finish off the numerous amount of chances we created,
Carew, Agbon, and even Hesky could of scoredthe goals which Albions strikers didnt put away.
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I think the difference is that expectations are much higher now than in the summer of 2006. That's as much testiment to the contribution of Martin O'Neill (yes, and Randy's money) as anything I can think of.
Higher than when Mon joined ??
I find that strange, he didn't get the nickname the Messiah without reason.
It was only wind up merchants who aren't nearly as clever as they think they are who ever called him The Messiah as I recall.
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From the Express and Star comments page:
The thing I hate most about Aston Villa fans is they cant admit that this is going to be the biggest cock up since the David O`Leary days.
I know for a fact this appointment wont work out as Garard Houllier`s style of football is boaring and totally defensive.
Randy Learner would of been better going for Tony Mowbray as his style of play is just what players like A.young, Downing, Sidwell, and Albrighton could thrive on. Mowbray`s attacking football never worked for Albion as we didnt have the quality strikers to finish off the numerous amount of chances we created,
Carew, Agbon, and even Hesky could of scoredthe goals which Albions strikers didnt put away.
That wasn't a Tesco bag-wearing Baggie Twat, that was from Chris Smith. He's always banging on about Mowbray. (winky)
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From the Express and Star comments page:
The thing I hate most about Aston Villa fans is they cant admit that this is going to be the biggest cock up since the David O`Leary days.
I know for a fact this appointment wont work out as Garard Houllier`s style of football is boaring and totally defensive.
Randy Learner would of been better going for Tony Mowbray as his style of play is just what players like A.young, Downing, Sidwell, and Albrighton could thrive on. Mowbray`s attacking football never worked for Albion as we didnt have the quality strikers to finish off the numerous amount of chances we created,
Carew, Agbon, and even Hesky could of scoredthe goals which Albions strikers didnt put away.
That wasn't a Tesco bag-wearing Baggie Twat, that was from Chris Smith. He's always banging on about Mowbray. (winky)
You and Tone have never been seen in the same room. I rest my case.
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He'd have been even worse than Curbs. The last man I'd want.
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I can't see how anyone can say aspirations are higher now than they were four years ago. Back then the sky was the limit and I remember a poll where a fair chunk of us said Thierry Henry wasn't good enough.
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From the Express and Star comments page:
The thing I hate most about Aston Villa fans is they cant admit that this is going to be the biggest cock up since the David O`Leary days.
I know for a fact this appointment wont work out as Garard Houllier`s style of football is boaring and totally defensive.
Randy Learner would of been better going for Tony Mowbray as his style of play is just what players like A.young, Downing, Sidwell, and Albrighton could thrive on. Mowbray`s attacking football never worked for Albion as we didnt have the quality strikers to finish off the numerous amount of chances we created,
Carew, Agbon, and even Hesky could of scoredthe goals which Albions strikers didnt put away.
That wasn't a Tesco bag-wearing Baggie Twat, that was from Chris Smith. He's always banging on about Mowbray. (winky)
You and Tone have never been seen in the same room. I rest my case.
"Tone" is it now. Tone? I knew it. The defence rests.
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I think we'll see over the season a big difference mainly due to having proper coaching. It may be a bit of a shock to the players at first but I'm guessing the better players are going to thrive on it. It's not going to happen overnight but we'll be a lot more organised and comfortable with the ball. Obviously good coaching can only improve a player to a certain extent but our squad are not as bad as they've pretended to be, so hopefully we can make something of this season.
I for one am looking forward to a 21st century Villa team.
We can but pray. Petrov and Ireland you'd really expect to flourish under a new regime.
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if you take the traditional top 4, then add Man city in 5th, you would probably have a pretty even fight for 6th between Villa,Spurs and Everton,
and even those that think Spurs have moved ahead of us to take 6th place, we still should be more than capable of 7th even this season.
what other clubs that finished below us last season do you think have a good chance of finishing above us this season ?
bearing in mind i've already put Liverpool in the top 4.
i reckon we will be capable of the same sort of finish this season, or certainly a couple of points difference to the position we finished last season
and of coarse this means that all the clubs mentioned above us, do the business and dont have any wobbles ie Liverpool last time
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sorry,
i've just re read that last post, and dont understand it myself now
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sorry,
i've just re read that last post, and dont understand it myself now
Now I'm just plain worried, because I'd convinced myself I did.
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It's amazing how all our expectation levels have dropped through the floor now, from Champions League to mid table mediocrity seems to be the general concensus, perhaps that's what this uninspiring appointment was designed to do.
Sorry but I'm underwhelmed.
It's amazing that with the arrival of MON the expectation was so high. We all pretty much thought that this was the man to launch us into the elite. All on the basis that he'd succeeded in a two horse race and had relative success at Leicester.
More than that, I think we all believed in MON, believed that his intelligence and TV personality was all that was needed to break the top 4 monopoly. We were wrong.
GH has a track record in the Prem that a club such as ours should be chomping at the bit for him to be our manager. This is based purely on the fact that he has won shit loads with clubs that he has managed in the past.
Rather than being underwhelmed we should be overwhelmed that he is now our manager. We should be excited that he has secured the services of a coach who was in his team that produced that treble at Liverpool. We should also be excited that we will be linked with young up and coming hardly known French/European strikers instead of the limit of our expectations being Robbie Keane on a final big pay day. I am any way.
Totally agree with you. H's record is far superior to MON's. And the annual "Robbie Keane" thread will finally be banished. Young european talent mixed with our home grown youngsters is a refreshing thought ....................
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I think he'll still support player purchases but that will have to be done within a framework where salaries are linked to revenue and that, in crude terms, when we're at our limit one in will mean one out. I also think that's a sensible way to operate.« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 03:46:09 PM by Chris Smith »
Do you mean positionally wise example defender for defender, or one player in for any player you can get off the books out. :-\
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I think he'll still support player purchases but that will have to be done within a framework where salaries are linked to revenue and that, in crude terms, when we're at our limit one in will mean one out. I also think that's a sensible way to operate.« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 03:46:09 PM by Chris Smith »
Do you mean positionally wise example defender for defender, or one player in for any player you can get off the books out. :-\
The latter, my impression is that we have to manage wages but I don't think that they'll be dictating to him which players he has to buy or sell.
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I think we'll see over the season a big difference mainly due to having proper coaching. It may be a bit of a shock to the players at first but I'm guessing the better players are going to thrive on it. It's not going to happen overnight but we'll be a lot more organised and comfortable with the ball. Obviously good coaching can only improve a player to a certain extent but our squad are not as bad as they've pretended to be, so hopefully we can make something of this season.
I for one am looking forward to a 21st century Villa team.
We can but pray. Petrov and Ireland you'd really expect to flourish under a new regime.
That would be the hope.
But my concern would be that if we get a few iffy results any good work done on the training ground will go out the window.
Confidence is still one of the most crucial commodities in football.
We have a look of a team that attacks with relish and can be easy on the eye if things go in our favour. But struggle if the opposition up their game.
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In response to the thread title I think we are more likely to end up with a shaven haven.
One good thing about it is my expectations were always too high following a new appointment (with a few exceptions), so I expect a little less of the emotional roller coaster when things go bad.
For the moment, I would settle for no more 6-0 thrashings.