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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on September 06, 2010, 01:16:53 PM
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Bit of fun. Try and make a team of Villa players that could be considered for a Judas XI.
I'll let you guys start.
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1. Bosnich
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10. yorke
6. barry
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Platt, Milner, Hodge - midfield's well stocked...
Who was the central defender who kissed the badge and then got too big for his boots after the Euros? Mocked David Beckham when he missed a penalty?
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Who was the central defender who kissed the badge and then got too big for his boots after the Euros? Mocked David Beckham when he missed a penalty?
Alpay.
Staunton at left back?
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8 - MILNER
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4. Martin Keown for defo. Wanker
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A Team off top of head, although I'm sure there's plenty that I've missed out
1.) M.Bosnich
2.) N.Blake
3.) G.Barry
4.) M.Keown
5.) G.Southgate
6.) G.Boateng
7.) S.Hodge
8.) J.Milner
9.) A.Gray
10.) D.Yorke
11.) R.Hopkins
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7 Steve Hodge
9 Andy Gray
8 David Platt
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Craig Gardner.
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Craig Gardner.
he went cause he is a blues fan, so that doesnt make him a judas, just a prick
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Don't see Alpay as a "Judas" - glad we got rid.
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Is there room on the bench for Steve McMahon's fat arse?
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Craig Gardner.
he went cause he is a blues fan, so that doesnt make him a judas, just a prick
He only seemed to mention he was a Blues fan when he signed for them. Up until that point he was always coming out with how much of a Villa fan he was. Raiding the pitch against Tranmere my arse!
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What about Wolfie? He has been spotted cheering on nearly every other club in Birmingham.
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1 staunton
2 staunton
3 staunton
4 staunton
5 staunton
6 staunton
7 staunton
8 staunton
9 staunton
10 staunton
11 staunton
bench staunton
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Who would the manager be... MON or Saunders?
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Don't understand why Alpay can be considered a Judas.
1 - Milner - Wanker
2 - Barry
3 - Yorke
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He only seemed to mention he was a Blues fan when he signed for them. Up until that point he was always coming out with how much of a Villa fan he was. Raiding the pitch against Tranmere my arse!
i liked the little story about him watching small heath win their play off at wembley a few years back to prove he was a small heath fan...
but wasnt it played at the millenium stadium in cardiff?
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Craig Gardner is a nobody.
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Don't understand why Alpay can be considered a Judas.
In the same way as Barry and Platt. Went away to an international tournament, came back and we weren't good enough for him.
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Let's be honest though, he was playing for us when we were at rock bottom, and clubs like Inter and Barca were supposedly interested in him. Who wouldn't leave?
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Let's be honest though, he was playing for us when we were at rock bottom, and clubs like Inter and Barca were supposedly interested in him. Who wouldn't leave?
In that case David Platt isn't a Judas either, and Dwight Yorke was quite right to take his opportunity. Come to think of it we weren't in too clever position when Steve Hodge left. We may have to rethink this "Judas" idea.
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Let's be honest though, he was playing for us when we were at rock bottom, and clubs like Inter and Barca were supposedly interested in him. Who wouldn't leave?
In that case David Platt isn't a Judas either, and Dwight Yorke was quite right to take his opportunity. Come to think of it we weren't in too clever position when Steve Hodge left. We may have to rethink this "Judas" idea.
Ah, but leaving us for United is being a Judas to me. Leaving for Barcelona isn't. Then kissing the United badge as well. Wanker, ungrateful ******.
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As opposed to kissing the Villa badge then wanting to leave a few weeks later? Because of "supposed" interest that never actually materialised?
EDIT: According to Wikipedia Barca were interested. Where did he end up at?
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I don't get the Yorke thing,he gave us nearly 10 years service,then moved to the best team in the country and won everything he possibly could. We made a good profit out of him,its a shame JG spunked most of it.
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As opposed to kissing the Villa badge then wanting to leave a few weeks later? Because of "supposed" interest that never actually materialised?
EDIT: According to Wikipedia Barca were interested. Where did he end up at?
Doesn't matter where he ended up at. When it became public knowledge that he fancied a move then people turned completely against him for good. Add the Beckham scenario and he simply couldn't stay. We all know the English media love a witch hunt.
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Wolfie is the mascot.
1. Bosnich
2. Gidman
3. Staunton
4. Ehiogu
5. Southgate
6. Boateng
7. Barry
8. Platt
9. Gray
10.Hodge
11.Walters
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To be fair a 'Judas' is whatever the person thinks it is. To me just wanting to leave Villa makes you a wanker, judas, c***.
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Boateng and Gray have to be the worse culprits,with Gray being King Judas.
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1979 must have been the chinese year of the judas- Gidman to Everton, Gray to Wolves, Deehan to Albion and didnt Brian Little sign for Blues then fail a medical? You cant count Blake and Hopkins, they were Bluenoses and would you have wanted to have kept them?!
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As opposed to kissing the Villa badge then wanting to leave a few weeks later? Because of "supposed" interest that never actually materialised?
EDIT: According to Wikipedia Barca were interested. Where did he end up at?
Doesn't matter where he ended up at. When it became public knowledge that he fancied a move then people turned completely against him for good.
Well yeah, that's how it happens. May I remind you think is the Judas thread for football fans and not the let's be fucking magnanimous thread. Alpay's a nice guy but Yorkie is scum. Right, nothing like a bit of consistency. What a crock of shit.
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Andy Gray left us not once - not twice, but THREE FUCKIN TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And one of those to be a tv presenter.
I don't care how big a hero he was in the seventies the blokes verbally shat on us at every opportunity since the day he last walked out.
And so's platt for that matter!
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Mark Walters must be one of the worst because he was supposed to be a Villa fan. Ive never forgot that celebration dance in front of the Holte either - although I saw the funny side when we ended up winning 4-2!
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Mon as manager?
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MIlner,boateng,southgate,barry,hodge and a.gray these player's make my blood boil.
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McInally's as much a judas as Platt, but doesn't get mentioned because he says nice things about us on TV.
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mcinally isnt a judas, we had seen the best he had, which wasnt great and we sold him while we could, loved his commitment, shame his ability side wasnt as good!
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You can't quest McNally at all.
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mcinally isnt a judas, we had seen the best he had, which wasnt great and we sold him while we could, loved his commitment, shame his ability side wasnt as good!
Because of the way McInally couldn't stop scoring until Christmas, then couldn't do anything for the rest of the season there will always be a doubt that he gave up once he'd got a move sorted.
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mcinally isnt a judas, we had seen the best he had, which wasnt great and we sold him while we could, loved his commitment, shame his ability side wasnt as good!
McInally left Villa for Bayern Munich. Hardly the career downturn of someone past his best. Imagine if we'd have had him instead of Olney or Cascarino when we were challenging for the title in 89/90!
From wikipedia:
McInally – now nicknamed Big Mac by the Bayern fans – began well in the Bundesliga, proving a handful for the defences, but then the referees clamped down on his style and his disciplinary record suffered. He was a regular throughout this season, but halfway through, the Bayern management decided that this strikeforce was not what they wanted and began to look for replacements for McInally and Mihajlović. At the end of his first season, McInally helped Bayern to the league title, and scored ten goals in his 31 league games, a respectable tally in his first season abroad. He also helped Bayern to the semi finals of the European Cup, where they fell to AC Milan, despite McInally's goal in the second leg in Munich.
In the 1990–91 season, McInally was now deemed a reserve at Bayern (Mihailjovic had now been sold), but he was regularly given a run out in Europe, where he scored some goals in the early rounds of the European Cup. Bayern were willing to let him go, and Chelsea came in for him, but McInally turned them down, preferring to fight on in Munich. This season, he only played 7 goalless games in the league, and was unable to help Bayern to get past Red Star Belgrade in the European Cup semi final, despite a battering ram cameo performance in the first leg in Munich. This season was effectively McInally's last as a top level professional, as he began to succumb to injury.
Platt at least went for a decent amount of cash which enabled BFR to build a new team.
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mcinally isnt a judas, we had seen the best he had, which wasnt great and we sold him while we could, loved his commitment, shame his ability side wasnt as good!
McInally left Villa for Bayern Munich. Hardly the career downturn of someone past his best. Imagine if we'd have had him instead of Olney or Cascarino when we were challenging for the title in 89/90!
From wikipedia:
McInally – now nicknamed Big Mac by the Bayern fans – began well in the Bundesliga, proving a handful for the defences, but then the referees clamped down on his style and his disciplinary record suffered. He was a regular throughout this season, but halfway through, the Bayern management decided that this strikeforce was not what they wanted and began to look for replacements for McInally and Mihajlović. At the end of his first season, McInally helped Bayern to the league title, and scored ten goals in his 31 league games, a respectable tally in his first season abroad. He also helped Bayern to the semi finals of the European Cup, where they fell to AC Milan, despite McInally's goal in the second leg in Munich.
In the 1990–91 season, McInally was now deemed a reserve at Bayern (Mihailjovic had now been sold), but he was regularly given a run out in Europe, where he scored some goals in the early rounds of the European Cup. Bayern were willing to let him go, and Chelsea came in for him, but McInally turned them down, preferring to fight on in Munich. This season, he only played 7 goalless games in the league, and was unable to help Bayern to get past Red Star Belgrade in the European Cup semi final, despite a battering ram cameo performance in the first leg in Munich. This season was effectively McInally's last as a top level professional, as he began to succumb to injury.
Platt at least went for a decent amount of cash which enabled BFR to build a new team.
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And...you'd said that we'd seen the best he had. We hadn't. He was still at his peak when we sold him, and did a decent job for Bayern Munich.
He left as soon as an offer from a "bigger" club came in - hence "Judas" - the topic of this thread.
Sorry, was that not clear?
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Andy Gray x 3 as ... #9 , Sub & Coach.
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But that team in 91 was really shit and need completly rebuilding,and Doug wasn't full of cash,so BFR realised he had to cash in on Platt,who at the time was the best player in England.
I think a real Judas is someone who doesn't give a monkeys when they're wearing the shirt,Platt did pretty much keep us up that season. I agree that he has become a bit of a knob in later years.
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we had seen the best he had! he went off to score one in 3 and retire virtually 18 months later! i dont remember him not giving effort and i dont remember him deeming himself more important than the club, if you do then thats up to you, if you view his move as a treacherous act then fair bleeding play to you!
He always talks about villa as his club and enthuses totally about us when he is on telly, and i dont ever see him in the bracket as hodge, bosnich et al!
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Andy Gray x 3 as ... #9 , Sub & Coach.
Gordon Cowans x3
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McInally retired because of injury, not because of form.
The point I'm trying to make is that McInally is lauded as a hero, and Platt accused of being a judas; yet they both did the same thing - move abroad when an offer came in. Platt was a hero on the field - bigger than McInally I'd say, and ultimately Platt's move bought us a brand new team. McInally's move might have cost us the title in 89/90. Certainly, we wouldn't have bought Cascarino had we had him.
Just because Platt doesn't kiss our arses on telly; doesn't mean he's a judas.
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Andy Gray x 3 as ... #9 , Sub & Coach.
Gordon Cowans x3
Controversial ..!
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I don't understand why Platt and Southgate are being mentioned on this thread. Platt carried the team for a couple of years and was sold to fund BFR's squad and Southgate, even after admitting he wanted to leave never gave less than 100% for the following year. Although it was stranger he left us because he wanted to "win things" and pitched up at 'Boro.
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And...you'd said that we'd seen the best he had. We hadn't. He was still at his peak when we sold him, and did a decent job for Bayern Munich.
I'm still not sure whether McInally was a quality player unlucky with injuries or just a journeymen who got lucky for half a season.
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Maybe not a judas, but Paul Mortimer could certainly fall under the 'prick' catagory.
His half-brother Dennis also did his best to upset the board in the immediate pre-Lerner years - he was right most the time, but
antagonistic sometimes.
I am willing to help Curtis Davies achieve this status.
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bosnich ,gidman,gray,hodge,southgate,milner,platt,
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I dunno, I'd err on the side of saying that the fella was a genuine talent, I feel that I saw enough in the first season back in 1988 to feel he was genuine talent, then again not having him as the powerhouse target seemed to free us up to play the expansive football style which was such a joy to watch the season after Mac left.
Would it be fair to say that Mac leaving freed us up to take advantage of the creative movement that Cowans and Platt demonstrated in 89?
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When Sid went to Bari that was ok then? Still at least he's back where he belongs (again) in the end.
Loyalty and football...when it comes to players never (or rarely) the twain shall meet.
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Although it was stranger he left us because he wanted to "win things" and pitched up at 'Boro.
Where he actually won something.
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Although it was stranger he left us because he wanted to "win things" and pitched up at 'Boro.
Where he actually won something.
Correct, but I don't think he was actually expecting to win anything when none of the big clubs came in for him and he had not much other choice other than go to Boro.
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Why is Milner a judas? The only time we heard about him wanting to leave was when MON said he did. MIlner immediately denied the comments. Andy Grays a wanker but does make me laugh that we won the european cup just a few years later, maybe he's just bitter?
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Why is Milner a judas? The only time we heard about him wanting to leave was when MON said he did. MIlner immediately denied the comments. Andy Grays a wanker but does make me laugh that we won the european cup just a few years later, maybe he's just bitter?
Milner NEVER denied anything of the sort.
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I dunno, I'd err on the side of saying that the fella was a genuine talent, I feel that I saw enough in the first season back in 1988 to feel he was genuine talent, then again not having him as the powerhouse target seemed to free us up to play the expansive football style which was such a joy to watch the season after Mac left.
Would it be fair to say that Mac leaving freed us up to take advantage of the creative movement that Cowans and Platt demonstrated in 89?
His first season was in division two, when he spent most of his time either injured or falling over. Then we had the August-Christmas of 1988, when he was great, and the rest of that season, when he wasn't.
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He got his agent to, said he never said anything like that and he was hurt at Martins comments. Read in the papers so could be wrong, but you diddnt see him kicking and stamping his feet til he got his way...
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Yeah sorry that's what I meant when I said 'first season back', I meant first season back in the first division. There weren't too many rampaging performances in our 87/88 season that I can recall, Thompson was more effective up front which speaks volumes.
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I don't understand why Platt and Southgate are being mentioned on this thread. Platt carried the team for a couple of years and was sold to fund BFR's squad and Southgate, even after admitting he wanted to leave never gave less than 100% for the following year. Although it was stranger he left us because he wanted to "win things" and pitched up at 'Boro.
Milner and Barry are out too then. Same for Yorke.
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Yeah sorry that's what I meant when I said 'first season back', I meant first season back in the first division. There weren't too many rampaging performances in our 87/88 season that I can recall, Thompson was more effective up front which speaks volumes.
We got up, which was all that matters. I still don't know about McInally.
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I feel i need to stick up for Southgate. He had ambition for the club, that was not matched by the management at the time.
I still remember playing against him during the 25th anniversary of the European Cup win when the 1982 players did a lap of the pitch. Southgate applauded them all around the pitch, whilst our squad of the time largely ignored them.