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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2010, 04:56:25 PM
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Luke Moore has been left out of WBA 25 man squad.
Where did it all go wrong?
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It never really happened for him after that shoulder injury, shame as he looked really promising at one stage.
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So what are his options now? Go on loan to a Championship side or play nothing but reserve football until at least January?
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So what are his options now? Go on loan to a Championship side or play nothing but reserve football until at least January?
Correct.
I've got a feeling Roy Keane will loan him for Ipswich.
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Bad attitude and lazy to boot.
We skinned the Yam yams when we trousered £3.5m from selling him.
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Has he been injured lately? I wouldn't have thought Albion has four better strikers than him. Never mind, it could be worse. He could be playing at the same level as his brother.
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Real shame, if only he had Gabby's attitude and work rate.
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He could come and join his brother at Halesowen Town. Then we might get out of the Zamaretto Premier!
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I blame Mon
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At first team level,did it ever really go right for him or his brother for any decent length of time? - MON seemed to suss him out pretty quick and where is Stefan now? Kiddie last I heard.
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damn bad attitude, too much money too soon, lazy fucker and not desperate to make it to the football elite only the money elite. File under either twat or cock!
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Him and Hendrie, probably the two most talented players we produced in the last 15 years and they both threw it all away. I'm still fond of both eejits though.
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I blame Mon
I blame Doug.
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dont worry
due to the multiverse theory
there is a dimension nearby where he is the most amazing footballer ever
but in that dimension we would have sold him to Zebulon Rangers for a groat
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What a waste of natural ability.
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where is Stefan now? Kiddie last I heard.
The clue is in my earlier post :-)
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Too much, too young.
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Too much, too young.
married with a kid ?
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Too much, too young.
married with a kid ?
when he should be having fun ?
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Moore going nowhere, Davis gone to Scotland and Ridgewell at the Sty. We really had a great election of shite under O' Leary.
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Moore going nowhere, Davis gone to Scotland and Ridgewell at the Sty. We really had a great election of shite under O' Leary.
The only one M'ON got wrong was Cahill.
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Bad attitude and lazy to boot.
We skinned the Yam yams when we trousered £3.5m from selling him.
And what about them taking £9m off us for Curtis?
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Bad attitude and lazy to boot.
We skinned the Yam yams when we trousered £3.5m from selling him.
just like they did getting 8 - 10m from us for Curtis!
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You say it all went wrong but did it?
Apparently he has a load of properties so he is definitely not short of a bob or two, so he doesn't need the money perhaps he just doesn't want to do it anymore?
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Moore going nowhere, Davis gone to Scotland and Ridgewell at the Sty. We really had a great election of shite under O' Leary.
£9.5m in our coffers from those three*
*yes, I am aware that equates to more or less what Harewood, Shorey and Heskey cost us in transfer fees0. So it's not necessarily fantastic value.
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I still scratch my head when I think about Luke Moore. He played in the youth cup winning side v Everton who had Wayne Rooney playing for them. I remember everyone raving about Rooney at the time and I was telling all who would listen that Luke was the better player and would go on to bigger things than fat neck. Just goes to show how much I know
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dont worry
due to the multiverse theory
there is a dimension nearby where he is the most amazing footballer ever
but in that dimension we would have sold him to Zebulon Rangers for a groat
Its called football manager, he was ace there for a few years.
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Bad attitude and lazy to boot.
We skinned the Yam yams when we trousered £3.5m from selling him.
Some of them may be thinking the same over Curtis Davies
Sorry just scrolled up and read others beat me to it.
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It's a shame a wasted talent.
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Moore going nowhere, Davis gone to Scotland and Ridgewell at the Sty. We really had a great election of shite under O' Leary.
The only one M'ON got wrong was Cahill.
*facepalm*
MO'N didn't get Cahill wrong. Cahill wanted and needed regular first-team football. We couldn't give it him as he wasn't ready to be the first choice central defender for a team pushing for a Top 4/6 place. He's definitely improved at Bolton and deserves credit for that, especially considering the changes in management they've had, but once again another Transfer Window has closed and yet the Great White Hope remains there.
Bolton have tried to sell him in each of the last 4 windows, letting it be known that they wouldn't be able to resist an offer of one million dollars moohahahahahaha (or however much it is they say) and yet he's still there. So maybe, despite what many people like to say, maybe he's at his level at the moment.
If he plays for England, it will be interesting to see how he gets on, but MO'N didn't get Cahill "wrong" and Cahill admitted as much himself. I guess this one is never going to go away, is it?
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Guy M, Wheré did Cahill admit MON didn't get it wrong when selling him? Any quotes?
He wasn't ready to be first choice for a team pushing for a top4/6 place? Whereas Zat Knight and the much criticised (often unfairly in my view) Curtis Davies presumably were?
Bolton have tried to sell him every window? You know this for a fact do you?
Has he improved at Bolton? Possibly. But that might have something to do with him being given a chance and getting more experienced. He was pretty good for us I seem to recall.
Time alone will tell if O'Neill got it wrong, but your arguments to say he didn't are a bit iffy to say the least.
Sorry don't want to turn this into yet another Cahill debate but I take exception to dubious revisionism.
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I still scratch my head when I think about Luke Moore. He played in the youth cup winning side v Everton who had Wayne Rooney playing for them. I remember everyone raving about Rooney at the time and I was telling all who would listen that Luke was the better player and would go on to bigger things than fat neck. Just goes to show how much I know
In that final wombat, Rooney was the only player on the pitch who looked like he'd make it.
Re. Luke Moore, it's obviously a shame, but like his brother, maybe he was over hyped.
I met Gary Shaw in the 'are the Moore brothers going to be superstars ?' period, and he was sceptical, saying that Luke was the better player but not to pin Villa's future on eiether of them.
Good luck to Luke weherever he ends up - let's face it, we'd all rather have gone as far as him in football than we have so who are we to judge ?
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The man should think himself priviledged to be a footballer, Many of us would love to be in his shoes, But getting left out of the Albion squad must be a new low for the man.
You would have thought he would not want to end up like his brother
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In MON's first season he used to play on the opposite flank to Gabby and I always thought Moore would be the better player. He looked really good until he got his injury.
In Football Manager 06/07 he became a superstar for me!
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A friend, who knows Luke, believes that Moores ambition is........................to open a clothes shop.
He is not interested in football, has seven figures in the bank and is quite happy.
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A friend, who knows Luke, believes that Moores ambition is........................to open a clothes shop.
He is not interested in football, has seven figures in the bank and is quite happy.
That's quite sad.... seven figures in the bank for being an unmotivated footballer who is letting his talent go to waste.
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what a waste of such talent...
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A friend, who knows Luke, believes that Moores ambition is........................to open a clothes shop.
He is not interested in football, has seven figures in the bank and is quite happy.
That's good to hear, good luck Luke ..... football is not all there is to life.
7 figures in the bank, he doesn't need to own a major chain of shops, just one that ticks over and keeps him happy.
Fair play to him I say.
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Hatrick at Boro he looked quality, shame
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Luke Moore had all the talent required to be a very good player.
Unfortuantely, he spent significant amounts of his career with his head up his own arse.
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A footballer looking to open a boutique? It's like being back in the late 60s and 70s.
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Guy M, Wheré did Cahill admit MON didn't get it wrong when selling him? Any quotes?
He wasn't ready to be first choice for a team pushing for a top4/6 place? Whereas Zat Knight and the much criticised (often unfairly in my view) Curtis Davies presumably were?
Bolton have tried to sell him every window? You know this for a fact do you?
Has he improved at Bolton? Possibly. But that might have something to do with him being given a chance and getting more experienced. He was pretty good for us I seem to recall.
Time alone will tell if O'Neill got it wrong, but your arguments to say he didn't are a bit iffy to say the least.
Sorry don't want to turn this into yet another Cahill debate but I take exception to dubious revisionism.
Guy M is a MON fan though. (wink)
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Moore going nowhere, Davis gone to Scotland and Ridgewell at the Sty. We really had a great election of shite under O' Leary.
The only one M'ON got wrong was Cahill.
*facepalm*
MO'N didn't get Cahill wrong. Cahill wanted and needed regular first-team football. We couldn't give it him as he wasn't ready to be the first choice central defender for a team pushing for a Top 4/6 place. He's definitely improved at Bolton and deserves credit for that, especially considering the changes in management they've had, but once again another Transfer Window has closed and yet the Great White Hope remains there.
Bolton have tried to sell him in each of the last 4 windows, letting it be known that they wouldn't be able to resist an offer of one million dollars moohahahahahaha (or however much it is they say) and yet he's still there. So maybe, despite what many people like to say, maybe he's at his level at the moment.
If he plays for England, it will be interesting to see how he gets on, but MO'N didn't get Cahill "wrong" and Cahill admitted as much himself. I guess this one is never going to go away, is it?
I can see your point and agree with much of what you say apart from the bit highlighted. If Bolton are asking £15-20million for Gary Cahill then it is obvious they don't want to sell. He isn't worth that much and no one will pay that much. They know it and that's why they are asking for that much.
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I still scratch my head when I think about Luke Moore. He played in the youth cup winning side v Everton who had Wayne Rooney playing for them. I remember everyone raving about Rooney at the time and I was telling all who would listen that Luke was the better player and would go on to bigger things than fat neck. Just goes to show how much I know
In that final wombat, Rooney was the only player on the pitch who looked like he'd make it.
Re. Luke Moore, it's obviously a shame, but like his brother, maybe he was over hyped.
I met Gary Shaw in the 'are the Moore brothers going to be superstars ?' period, and he was sceptical, saying that Luke was the better player but not to pin Villa's future on eiether of them.
Good luck to Luke weherever he ends up - let's face it, we'd all rather have gone as far as him in football than we have so who are we to judge ?
Maybe he was in the second leg but certainly not in the first at Goodison where in my opinion he looked head and shoulders above Rooney
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I remember Everton v WBA a couple of years ago and Moore came off the bench and played a blinder.
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Through my job (at the time) I had dealings with one of Lukes relatives, she was very proud of the Moore brothers but with regards to Luke she told me more than once 'he is a naughty boy' (very Monty Python I know). She would not say why he was a very naughty boy but she clearly had some worries about his behaviour off the field.
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I remember Everton v WBA a couple of years ago and Moore came off the bench and played a blinder.
I remember seeing the highlights of a match where he was subbed or sent off and he did a gangsta walk off the pitch.
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I remember Everton v WBA a couple of years ago and Moore came off the bench and played a blinder.
Yeah, he came on and hit the woodwork twice I think, showing movement and touch that was at odds with the match itself. Kind of summed up the lack of luck he had during the end of his Villa career when he couldn't buy a goal and when West Brom were in the Prem last time. Plenty of talent but maybe the desire and effort just aren't there.
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Moore going nowhere, Davis gone to Scotland and Ridgewell at the Sty. We really had a great election of shite under O' Leary.
Fair play to Ridgewell. I never thought he would be an EPL player especially at left back but he is doing well. I wouldnt criticise MON for that one.
But Steve Davis is still a very tidy footballer and would be a useful squad player for us particularly if we went with three in midfield. Always rated him far higher than Gardner. That is something MON was very poor at - keeping the lads on the fringes happy particularly the home grown ones who wouldnt be as likely to demand a move. Ferguson does that well, he keeps the likes of O'Shea, Brown, Evans, Fletcher happy over the years and played them against the weaker teams or if there were injuries.
Selling Gary Cahill to Bolton and bringing in Curtis Davies was diabolical business. Cahill had finished that season partnering Mellberg but MON didnt rate him for some reason. I guess MON could argue that centre half is a position you cant really rotate and I still wouldnt have Cahill ahead of Dunne or Collins but if he was given all the chances Curtis Davies was given next to Laursen I think he would have nailed down a spot.
moore had loads of talent but a poor work rate and once his goal rate dropped off was always going to struggle. Selling him to West brom for 3.5m was good business from MON.
to be fair our youth coaches have produced a lot of EPL quality players - Myhill, Cahill, Ridgewell, Davis, Gabby, Gardner, Whittingham, Barry (sort of), Hitzleberger
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Moore is the same as sidwell couldnt give a toss as long as wages are coming in,has anyone ever heard sidwell or moore moan about not playing first team football for at least the last 4 years?
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A friend, who knows Luke, believes that Moores ambition is........................to open a clothes shop.
He is not interested in football, has seven figures in the bank and is quite happy.
That's quite sad.... seven figures in the bank for being an unmotivated footballer who is letting his talent go to waste.
I have no idea whether he had the talent or not, but to think he has seven figures (I assume thats digits in his bank account statement) saved up just makes me realise how mental this game we call football is (and that's nothing personal against Luke).
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Slightly on a tangent from the thrust of this thread (Luke Moore) but looking at the average players we've discovered and developed, we've received a HUGE amount of money.
I think - ironically - that our failure to reach the holly grail of the top four and the fact we're not man city puts in a unique position where we can bring youth players through and sell them even if they don't quite make the grade. Our objective should be to find umpteen more Cahills (I guess an investment of £2m) not sign Collins for £4m on a £30k-week deal.
A few more failures like Cahill, moore (x2), ridgewell, davis, whittingham should set us up nicely.
Make sense? Hopefully our next manager has the balls/vision to see it that way rather than just signing players to fill the squad (thereby continuing our current, unsustainable existence).
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to be fair our youth coaches have produced a lot of EPL quality players - Myhill, Cahill, Ridgewell, Davis, Gabby, Gardner, Whittingham, Barry (sort of), Hitzleberger
Davis has failed to establish himself in the EPL with us and Fulham so I wouldn't say he is proven EPL quality. Whittingham is only proven at Championship level.
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When ever I get excited about a young player coming through, I always remember to dampen my expectations. I really thought Luke was going to be the real deal.
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He was good under the DOL years but then we improved and a few of the players got caught out and shown up. Wheres his brother at now?
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When ever I get excited about a young player coming through, I always remember to dampen my expectations. I really thought Luke was going to be the real deal.
I was of the same opinion at the time.
I think the problem with Luke was that he had been identified from a young lad to be some footballing prodogy for the future. Not only for Villa, but also for his country. I remember quite a few respected people in the game at the time raving about the kid.
Some players can handle it like Rooney, yet some burn out quickly, having been overdosed on football from an early age.
I think Luke files under the latter. Shame really.
I can recall the time when he got injured in a game and O'Leary ran on the pitch to see if he was ok! Its was the first and last time I'd ever seen that happen.
Good Luck for the future Luke, in whatever you do.
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to be fair our youth coaches have produced a lot of EPL quality players - Myhill, Cahill, Ridgewell, Davis, Gabby, Gardner, Whittingham, Barry (sort of), Hitzleberger
Davis has failed to establish himself in the EPL with us and Fulham so I wouldn't say he is proven EPL quality. Whittingham is only proven at Championship level.
yes didnt happen for davis under Sanchez at Fulham was surprised Hodgson shipped him off to Rangers. He has thrived under Smith playing in a Uefa Cup final and winning player of the year gongs. Even allowing for the ineptitude of the SPL, I think it is fair to say he would hold his own at a decent level in the EPL, he was the Villa player of the year in 05/06 too dont forget. When we have clowns like Sidwell on 40k a week on our bench it galls me somewhat that MON let the likes of Davis go.
Whittingham also has the ability to step it up to be a regular at EPL level. 20 goals in the Championship last season is serious going. Im surprised no team came in for him this summer. Certainly wasnt good enough for us at the time but I think he would be more than capable of being better than the likes of Luis Boa Morte at West Ham for example.
I guess there will always be young players who will want to move away to be regulars elsewhere. Under MON though I think his lack of squad rotation fed the disquiet in some of these younger players. Cahill and Davis were two that got away too easily imo and could have saved us a lot of money. Some would say Gardner is better than the likes of Sidwell which may be true but I think he is too slow really.
Add recent academy graduates like Clark, Albrighton and Delfouneso into the mix and it is obvious our youth system is working well.
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Moore must look at Gabby and think 'why didn't I try just a bit harder?'.
He had ability in spades.
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Cant agree with you on Davis Bronte, I never saw much in him and have not been in the least surprised he didn't make it in the prem. Gardner was/is much the better player in my view. Whittingham was too lightweight but looks to have improved. Luke looked better than all of them but has tossed it all away.
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I just hope that the Fonz doesnt end up like the Moore brothers.
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Moore must look at Gabby and think 'why didn't I try just a bit harder?'.
He had ability in spades.
I bet he doesn't and that's his problem.
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Moore had more natural ability than Gabby or the Fonz but not an iota of the attitude.
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I would thought Luke will want to be more successful than his brother and work hard to avoid his brother's pitfall. But obviously not.
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I noticed Luke came on as a sub for Derby today, good luck to him there.