Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: alanclare on August 24, 2010, 03:11:39 PM
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You don't think that perhaps we are risking the possibility of our famous "Up-You" West Ham U chant being turned back on us? "You're ManC.'s feeder club, etc, etc."
From today's Times:
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We're the feeder club to Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Man U. Maybe Tottenham and Liverpool also given another season or so.
Liverpool, Tottenham are feeder clubs to Man City and Man U, Inter, Milan.
Arsenal are a feeder club to Barcelona, Real.
Chelsea and Man U aren't feeder clubs. In fact the only clubs that aren't are Man U, Chelsea, Real, Barca, at the moment Man City, and at a push Bayern.
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Any more than Man U are to Real Madrid? Or Arsenal? Every player has a price and if someone is willing to pay stupid money, then it wouldn't be good business to turn it down. Law of the jungle I'm afraid. We have to find a way to surivive and succeed despite it.
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In the short term, a lot of clubs will be "feeder clubs". However, thanks to Plantini, this won't be the case forever (thanx Villadawg) when the UEFA financial balance criteria begin to be phased in - perhaps Lerner is looking ahead "with vision" starting the process of trying to get expenditures in line with income? Maybe we will get the "last laugh"?
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I dont think we are a feeder club like toronto villa said every player as his price and we are no different from anybody else.
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We are always in danger of losing your best players when outside the Champions League. If that makes us a feeder club then that's what we are, but it does highlight the need to get that crucial 4th place.
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In the short term, a lot of clubs will be "feeder clubs". However, thanks to Plantini, this won't be the case forever (thanx Villadawg) when the UEFA financial balance criteria begin to be phased in - perhaps Lerner is looking ahead "with vision" starting the process of trying to get expenditures in line with income? Maybe we will get the "last laugh"?
To paraphrase GK Chesterton: "But we are the people of Villa Park; and we have not spoken yet.
Smile at us, pay us, pass us. But do not quite forget. "
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If you have a car worth £5,000 and I offer you £15,000 for it you would most likely sell it to me as I'm offering you far more than it's worth. That's before I get on to the point that the car might prefer to be driven by me as I have lots of money to fix it up in this theoretical example.
James Milner is a fantastic player but he's not worth £26million and indeed Gareth Barry wanted to leave for what he saw as a better chance to win things.
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No. A feeder club usually has some sort of loose agreement with another team.
This site is getting more melodramatic bu the day.
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I agree. Increasingly, some posters are coming out with conspiracy theories that are so elaborate David Icke would be shaking his head in disbelief.
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Very few clubs can hang onto their best players, Unfortunately we fall into that category. Look at Wigan they signed Zaki, He banged a few in and big clubs came knocking. Fulham have hangelland he played well Arsenal want him, They have Schwartzer he's playing welll so Arsenal want him, Same with Smalling who joined Manure. etc etc.
Its upsetting but its life in the prem
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If you have a car worth £5,000 and I offer you £15,000 for it you would most likely sell it to me as I'm offering you far more than it's worth. That's before I get on to the point that the car might prefer to be driven by me as I have lots of money to fix it up in this theoretical example.
James Milner is a fantastic player but he's not worth £26million and indeed Gareth Barry wanted to leave for what he saw as a better chance to win things.
So Villa develop some young player via the Academy, ala Marc Albrighton. Then, when he gets good and famous we sell him on to ManC or whoever. Then eight years or so later we buy someone like Richard Dunne or Emile Heskey for the few more years that we can get out of him. Is that how it works?
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When you consider that for two seasons on the trot, Man City have come along and taken our best player, and this against the will of probably the most stubborn manager ever to walk God's earth, then you have to concede that we are a feeder club - to them, at least.
They will probably do the same again next year just for shits and giggles.
As for the arrangement alluded to by Small Rodent, I think you are confusing a nursery club with a feeder club. The pike has no arrangement with the various lesser fishes it consumes at will.
I do not see how conspiracy theories are involved.
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I don't think Barry's sale to Citeh was against MON's will - he'd already resisted Liverpool, and with only one season of Barry's contract left, he took the cash while it was still available.
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Yes...
We feed our dross to the likes of Birmingham City.
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That Milner to Barry thing last night made me wretch so much, I was worried I might have spat one of my kidneys out.
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In 2009 United won the title with some of the best attacking play the Premier have seen for many years - a 3 pronged attack that ripped defences to shreds
Rooney
Tevez
Ronaldo
Both the latter 2 sold, one to their biggest European rivals and one to their hated local rivals
I would say everyone is a feeder club today
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That Milner to Barry thing last night made me wretch so much, I was worried I might have spat one of my kidneys out.
just made me envious we couldn't keep either, and sad.
We are not a feeder club, and will always be supplying our better players to the higher bidders until we regularly achieve a top 4 position and a top European qualification and so will most other clubs.
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A whole 365 days to go before Man City sign Albrighton! Let's hope we can enjoy them and not endure a poor season. Where are the defender, winger and goalscorer we need before next Tuesday?
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Call me naive, but strangely enough I think that UEFA will come through on this one. Competitive football will die if they don't. Strange how Citeh's and Chelsea's owners are on board with the new pending rules. It's like they're asking/need someone to control them from themselves. It's bad in Spain too where the top two clubs were something like 28 points ahead of Valencia in third. This problem is not unique to the PL. IMHO Lerner should take a more visual role in this dilemma.
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Spurs lost Berbatiov and Carrick to Man Yoo in fairly quick succession and their fans were up in arms. They've since shown that what matters is how you replace them and neither were irreplaceable. Neither are Barry or Milner if you have a decent scouting network and good judgement..
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To say we are a feeder club is garbage.
Every player has his price. What Villa have demostrated with Barry and Milner, is that if anyone wants to buy one of our star players then they leave at our price, not theirs.
Barry was always going to leave last year, it was a case of getting the best deal for us, and whichever way you look at it, £12m for a player of his age with 1yr left on his contract was bloody good business, likewise, getting Ireland plus £15/18m for Milner. Ultimately, it means we will get stronger at their expense, if we can re-invest the cash into the team.
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To say we are a feeder club is garbage.
Every player has his price. What Villa have demostrated with Barry and Milner, is that if anyone wants to buy one of our star players then they leave at our price, not theirs.
Barry was always going to leave last year, it was a case of getting the best deal for us, and whichever way you look at it, £12m for a player of his age with 1yr left on his contract was bloody good business, likewise, getting Ireland plus £15/18m for Milner. Ultimately, it means we will get stronger at their expense, if we can re-invest the cash into the team.
Excellent post ............
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To say we are a feeder club is garbage.
Every player has his price. What Villa have demostrated with Barry and Milner, is that if anyone wants to buy one of our star players then they leave at our price, not theirs.
Barry was always going to leave last year, it was a case of getting the best deal for us, and whichever way you look at it, £12m for a player of his age with 1yr left on his contract was bloody good business, likewise, getting Ireland plus £15/18m for Milner. Ultimately, it means we will get stronger at their expense, if we can re-invest the cash into the team.
You seem to be employing a very peculiar definition of the term "feeder club".
If, as you you assert, every player has his price, and if, as has been demonstrated, Citeh have more money than sense and they also have a predilection for stopping by every year and picking up our best player, then we are, by definition, a feeder club to them. The price does not matter; they don't care. As I suggested in May, they were far more concerned with stringing the transfer out than with the price.
What we actually do with the money has nothing to do with whether we are a feeder club or not.
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We're the feeder club to Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Man U. Maybe Tottenham and Liverpool also given another season or so.
Liverpool, Tottenham are feeder clubs to Man City and Man U, Inter, Milan.
Arsenal are a feeder club to Barcelona, Real.
Chelsea and Man U aren't feeder clubs. In fact the only clubs that aren't are Man U, Chelsea, Real, Barca, at the moment Man City, and at a push Bayern.
Didn't United feed Ronaldo to Real Madrid? And Tevez certainly fancied the grub more at Wastelands than Mould Trafford.
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In 2009 United won the title with some of the best attacking play the Premier have seen for many years - a 3 pronged attack that ripped defences to shreds
Rooney
Tevez
Ronaldo
Both the latter 2 sold, one to their biggest European rivals and one to their hated local rivals.
Tevez was on loan actually but I know where you're coming from or going to, whatever.
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perhaps Lerner is starting the process of trying to get expenditures in line with income? Maybe we will get the "last laugh"?
I thought it was taken as read that's what he is doing. Was I wrong?
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It didnt occur to me to ask such a question when we sold Tony Hateley for a £100k in 1966, and it hasnt occured to me at any point since.
I view the starting of this thread as just another example of trying to talk down the mighty institution that is Aston Villa Football Club.
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We're the feeder club to Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Man U. Maybe Tottenham and Liverpool also given another season or so.
Liverpool, Tottenham are feeder clubs to Man City and Man U, Inter, Milan.
Arsenal are a feeder club to Barcelona, Real.
Chelsea and Man U aren't feeder clubs. In fact the only clubs that aren't are Man U, Chelsea, Real, Barca, at the moment Man City, and at a push Bayern.
Man U are Real Madrids feeder club no question.
Beckham
Van nistelrooy
Heinze
Ronaldo
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If Man City comingcalling with 16 mill and a player every year then I'll happily be a feeder club for them. That's a lot of cash on the balance sheet every year and when Mansoor gets bored of throwing cash away City will be left paying for a lot of over paid arseholes. If we are a feeder club we must be Harrods.
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....so the answer is "Yes" then. Just as long as we know, that's all. I must say that I don't find it a very appealing outlook. Not a lot to look forward to really. Last night's misery just about summed it all up.