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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Muscle-Dolphin on August 20, 2010, 12:37:16 AM
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Has anyone heard any details about the extent of Weimann's injury? IMHO the tackle seemed clean. What's with the clowns throwing water on him as he was being taken off the field in a stretcher?
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Not heard anything but guessing it's serious as he looked close to tears... like Ramsay last year. Those Viennese fans were bloody idiots. Neither BBC or Sky reports mention their behaviour. If it had happened to a Manure player they'd be calling for Britain to invade Austria.
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"We hope it might be ligaments rather than a break," said MacDonald.
Not good.
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"We hope it might be ligaments rather than a break," said MacDonald.
Not good.
Hopefully he's okay. I've sprained my right ankle 5 or 6 times. The doctors have said it's better to break as the ligaments get stretched out and are then weak. I sometimes agree.
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now when i said there fans were animals on the best and worst thread i was over ruled by everyone saying they were great, all i can say is they were racist very insulting and 40+ tried to pick a fight with me my mrs and two other lads by the player car park. they showed it again tonight, classless morons i hope they behave better thursday,
back to winny i really hope it was ankle and not knee, foot/lower leg injurys even the worst are much quicker to heal. just a shame they treated one of there own like that, guzan had all sorts thrown at him aswel
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I know the few Austrians I've had dealings with hardly constitutes a representative sample but they have invariably been arrogant, racist wankers.
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The person who threw the object at Guzan should of been "shown the door" on TV. It seems like the commentators were covering up for the crowd. I hope that Weimann's family publically dissociate themselves from their Rapid Vienna "fandom".
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Dont wish to generalise but the Rapid fans "enthusiasm" is all very orchestrated. I suppose raising your green scarves in unison isnt as bad as all raising your outstretched arm in a salute. When they are under orders they were very disciplined and correct though, all their scarves seemed to be raised with the writing the right way up.
Give me the spontaneous passion and enthusiasm of an Athletico Bilbao fan or even a Turk any time.
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At the moment SSN are reporting it as a badly swollen ankle, so fingers crossed for the lad, who I think shows great potential.
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there fans acted like animal's let's hope they get punished for what they did.
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He was one of their own too, his family all support Rapid.. Disgusting...
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I know the few Austrians I've had dealings with hardly constitutes a representative sample but they have invariably been arrogant, racist wankers.
You still work as a kidnapper for the Simon Wiesenthal Centre?
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Typical Austrian:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEx5CSCT1Vf1oSy39DCTtSRbLcKkoknsPjhjMmzmKunZx3qwk&t=1&usg=__OyJhxlkexaUl8ah6CKQBq3jQ2Ro=)
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The Rapid fans were clearly idiots, but isn't calling all Austrians racist a teensy bit racist in itself?
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ouch lol
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Typical Austrian:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEx5CSCT1Vf1oSy39DCTtSRbLcKkoknsPjhjMmzmKunZx3qwk&t=1&usg=__OyJhxlkexaUl8ah6CKQBq3jQ2Ro=) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XGbZRuvp00k/SPoQBcC5SQI/AAAAAAAAAHc/y6dHPdC_Gtg/s320/von_trapp%5B1%5D.jpg)
Amazing what a few years out of uniform and an excess of alcohol can do.
A warning for Villasubmariner.
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Places where typical Austrian fans live:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC-Rls_r5d1g2TOdhB8UD2EEc9voqZMXCearGI-pNPU8bYZTI&t=1&usg=__MDhy4Xlgonqm_QBMTYGiIktJ30c=)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:8DuMN_sVBVuDQM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Cs0H6vaYYrM/SwqlZUJK2YI/AAAAAAAAAF4/-Hdc6y82s4I/s1600/Austria+Day+two-three+219.jpg&t=1)
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At least one Austria media source I have looked at mentions the incident and describes it as "unacceptable".
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The Rapid fans were clearly idiots, but isn't calling all Austrians racist a teensy bit racist in itself?
Not sure anyone has?
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I know the few Austrians I've had dealings with hardly constitutes a representative sample but they have invariably been arrogant, racist wankers.
You still work as a kidnapper for the Simon Wiesenthal Centre?
No
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Typical Austrian:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEx5CSCT1Vf1oSy39DCTtSRbLcKkoknsPjhjMmzmKunZx3qwk&t=1&usg=__OyJhxlkexaUl8ah6CKQBq3jQ2Ro=) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XGbZRuvp00k/SPoQBcC5SQI/AAAAAAAAAHc/y6dHPdC_Gtg/s320/von_trapp%5B1%5D.jpg)
Amazing what a few years out of uniform and an excess of alcohol can do.
A warning for Villasubmariner.
Bastard!
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According to the Beeb, Guzan had lighters, coins and drinks pelted at him (and apparently all the drinks hit their mark). Apparently UEFA might look into it...I'm sure they will (sarcasm)!
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
I guess Guzan should feel fortunate that he wasn't hit with bags of dog shit.
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
I was wondering why everyone had just assumed the liquids aimed at Brad and Weiman were "drinks" or "water." Seriously, it could have been anything, never mind piss.
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
I was wondering why everyone had just assumed the liquids aimed at Brad and Weiman were "drinks" or "water." Seriously, it could have been anything, never mind piss.
Indeed, it could have been Carlsberg.
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
I was wondering why everyone had just assumed the liquids aimed at Brad and Weiman were "drinks" or "water." Seriously, it could have been anything, never mind piss.
Indeed, it could have been Carlsberg.
Carlsberg don't do football stadium missiles. But if they did...
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I think MacDonald rates Weimann above the Fonz so a pity for him that he's injured.
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Also, watching the ITV4 showing, at one point (that I noticed, probably many more) you could clearly see who was dispensing said drink. Why the fuck was he/they still there at least an hour later doing the same to 'one of their own'. In this country it would be a life-long ban. Wankers.
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The Rapid fans were clearly idiots, but isn't calling all Austrians racist a teensy bit racist in itself?
He didn't.
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
Animals.
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Who'd fill a bottle with piss?
Would someone really fill up a bottle of wee wee, take to the game and hold it ready just on the off chance that an opposition player might come into their vicinity?
And what about the unfortunate fans standing next and in front of said miscreants? Surely they might be a tad miffed to have an Impromptu shower of yellow aqua vita as it rushes past them to connect with intended victim?
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Rapid's fan forum suggest it was beer. To be fair the majority on those sites are very angry at the idiots.
It seems that this is not an isolated incident and that it happens a league games too.
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Rapid's fan forum suggest it was beer. To be fair the majority on those sites are very angry at the idiots.
It seems that this is not an isolated incident and that it happens a league games too.
Even more reason for UEFA to do something!
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
Animals.
The bottles were full of animals?
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There's been no news about the extent of Weimann's injury. Does anyone have any news at all. If it's long-term it's a shame for the lad as he looked as though he could be another to blossom this year.
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Typical Austrian:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEx5CSCT1Vf1oSy39DCTtSRbLcKkoknsPjhjMmzmKunZx3qwk&t=1&usg=__OyJhxlkexaUl8ah6CKQBq3jQ2Ro=)
"You've got your babbies and your daughter locked downstairs..."
One of the better chants from the last time we played these planks. Fucking pride-march resembling twats.
EDIT: Are Villa going to report Rapid for failure to control their fans or anything? There's not a lot been said about it in the press. It's a shame that it's too late to ban them from coming to VP, they clearly can't control themselves.
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There's been no news about the extent of Weimann's injury. Does anyone have any news at all. If it's long-term it's a shame for the lad as he looked as though he could be another to blossom this year.
I heard on the night that it was ruptured ankle ligaments No news since though.
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Rapid Vienna just issued an apololgy to Andreas and his family. He was even spit on!! The abuse in general including that wrt Guzan was actually going on all game. Where was the security throughout the match? Damage control! The horse is already out of the barn.
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Rapid Vienna just issued an apololgy to Andreas and his family. He was even spit on!! The abuse in general including that wrt Guzan was actually going on all game. Where was the security throughout the match? Damage control! The horse is already out of the barn.
If the stewards had intervened would they be called 'jobsworths' like ours are?
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Typical Austrian:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEx5CSCT1Vf1oSy39DCTtSRbLcKkoknsPjhjMmzmKunZx3qwk&t=1&usg=__OyJhxlkexaUl8ah6CKQBq3jQ2Ro=)
"You've got your babbies and your daughter locked downstairs..."
One of the better chants from the last time we played these planks. Fucking pride-march resembling twats.
EDIT: Are Villa going to report Rapid for failure to control their fans or anything? There's not a lot been said about it in the press. It's a shame that it's too late to ban them from coming to VP, they clearly can't control themselves.
Child abuse as a bit of a laugh. Nice.
Why should decent supporters be published because a few behave badly?
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Assuming Dave meant 'punished', then no.
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Assuming Dave meant 'punished', then no.
He did indeed.
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
Animals.
The bottles were full of animals?
Animal piss? How could they?
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There seems to be no news anywhere of how serious the lad's injury was. The only thing I saw was in the Guardian Saturday teamsheets under 'injuries' saying he is expected back on 13 September, but regular readers of that page know how (un)reliable that can be. No updates on AVFC pages either. Anyone know anything? I just hope it's not another Delph situation, with a blossoming talent (temporarily) snuffed out just when it's beginning to look interesting.
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All very quiet still - these are the last stories I can find on it
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=andreas+weimann (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=andreas+weimann)
No real news there, does have a Delph type feeling on it. Keep thinking back to which ever commentator saying "his ankle does seem to be flapping about a bit"
Didnt sound good
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I heard that the 'drinks' were bottles filled with piss.
Animals.
Why? Is that what your average cow would do? Bastards.
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Child abuse as a bit of a laugh. Nice.
Why should decent supporters be published because a few behave badly?
Yeah I know. I was being a grumpy sausage that day. :-[
EDIT: I'm crap at the new quoting system.
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All very quiet still - these are the last stories I can find on it
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=andreas+weimann (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=andreas+weimann)
No real news there, does have a Delph type feeling on it. Keep thinking back to which ever commentator saying "his ankle does seem to be flapping about a bit"
Didnt sound good
The commentator said it did but the pictures never showed anything. Do you think the physio would have let him stand on it if it was that bad?
I'm not saying it isn't serious as ligaments can be a problem but it definitly wasn't a Bouma or Eduardo type injury as his comments suggested.
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While the commentators were talking, my tv, courtesy of ITV4, showed some sort of "etch a sketch meets paint by numbers" picture like the rest of the game. I could barely make out who was injured nevermind how his ankle was flapping about. Hope he is up and about soon, in the meantime ITV4, pay for some decent fucking cameras
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Why are you blaming ITV4. They just recieve the signal and broadcast it. I am sure Austrian TV is filming it. I would like HD feed but none :(
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Just started light running, aiming to be back in full training in December.
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Just started light running, aiming to be back in full training in December.
Excellent news, that's slightly ahead of schedule isn't it?
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Excellent recycling of threads Mr Bridges.
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Does anybody else think that Andi should be one of the first names on the team sheet? All of our best performances so far this season (Newcastle, Swansea and Man City) have been with him starting. For me he makes so much happen and is a link between the midfield and attack. And although Holman has got the plaudits for his superhuman work rate, Andi isn't far behind. I think it should be a case of Bent or Benteke spearheading the attack and not both.
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I like Weimann and hope he has the chance to show he has a future with us.
In fairness, we were losing 2-1 at City when he went off.
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I don't know about first name on the team sheet and whatnot, but I agree, he definitely did well in the matches he featured in.
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You may have a point, it's the feeling that we had bigger "stars" waiting to come in which meant he dropped out but he certainly played well and was a decent link man.
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I like Weimann and hope he has the chance to show he has a future with us.
In fairness, we were losing 2-1 at City when he went off.
True. But in terms of performance we were the better team at that stage. My point is that Weimann is usually involved in anything good attack-wise when he plays. Bent also looks much better when playing in front of him and they do have a good understanding it would seem.
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I don't know about first name on the team sheet and whatnot, but I agree, he definitely did well in the matches he featured in.
It might sound a bit exaggerated to use such wording. But honestly, who else do we have that can play in the number 10 role? Ireland looks better in the slightly deeper role he has been playing where he can be more involved. Whenever Benteke has played there we have resorted to being a long ball team. So I really cannot think of anybody else that can play there. Maybe if GG was fit we could of tried him?
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I like Weimann and hope he has the chance to show he has a future with us.
In fairness, we were losing 2-1 at City when he went off.
True. But in terms of performance we were the better team at that stage. My point is that Weimann is usually involved in anything good attack-wise when he plays. Bent also looks much better when playing in front of him and they do have a good understanding it would seem.
What I like about our striker options is that the 4 main strikers have different main qualities.
Bent as the goal sniffer, Gabby pace, Weimann workrate and Benteke strength. So in an ideal world we'll swap and change depending on who we are playing.
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Whilst I agree with that to an extent. I still think any partnership that doesn't involve Weimann makes us look like a backwards 442 team with the forwards isolated from the rest of the team.
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Lad has improved for me, was really unlucky not to score against Swansea with that chance that was cleared off the line.
I do think he'll get goals as the season goes on although probably as a supersub.
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I think he's excellent and has the chance to be a genuine star for us. I'd play him ahead of Benteke to be honest.
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I really rate weimann and like him playing with Bent because they both offer a lot of movement off the ball but run different lines so they don't get in each others way. I think we'll see Bent/Weimann or Benteke/Gabby as regular pairings throughout the season as both seem to have the potential to be good pairings.
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I bet when Benteke was signed Weimann couldn't believe his bad luck. Out of the four we've got (if you don't count Bowery), Weimann's performances have been consistently high. The only thing he was lacking was goals and he's been unlucky not to bag more.
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I bet when Benteke was signed Weimann couldn't believe his bad luck. Out of the four we've got (if you don't count Bowery), Weimann's performances have been consistently high. The only thing he was lacking was goals and he's been unlucky not to bag more.
I'm not sure that Benteke was signed specifically to come in for him as they are totally different players with different strengths. They can play together as showed against Citeh. I do agree that he was unfortunate to lose his place though and he always looks like he will get chances in a game (same can be said for Benteke to be fair).
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I bet when Benteke was signed Weimann couldn't believe his bad luck. Out of the four we've got (if you don't count Bowery), Weimann's performances have been consistently high. The only thing he was lacking was goals and he's been unlucky not to bag more.
I'm not sure that Benteke was signed specifically to come in for him as they are totally different players with different strengths. They can play together as showed against Citeh. I do agree that he was unfortunate to lose his place though and he always looks like he will get chances in a game (same can be said for Benteke to be fair).
I didn't mean Benteke was bought as a Weimann replacement (although I admit, it does read like that), more that he'd just about put himself either first or second choice and now he's really waiting for another player to get injured to get back to where he was.
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I didn't mean Benteke was bought as a Weimann replacement (although I admit, it does read like that), more that he'd just about put himself either first or second choice and now he's really waiting for another player to get injured to get back to where he was.
My bad. I agree but at the same time I am confident that PL won't be one of those managers that has 'his players' who are effectivly assured of their places regardless. Here's hoping Gabby is dropped after two inept performances and maybe Andi will get another chance to impress eh?
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Think its time for Bent and Benteke to have a run of games. Weimann does add energy up front so deserves regular pitch time. Gabby will probably just be very average for a while now he has had his one excellent game every three months .......
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Weimann probably knows he may be in and out this year, and maybe next year too, but if he keeps up his early promise, he'll be a first team regular in the future. As long as he works hard.
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There are certain moments that make all the difference in a players career. Weimann almost netting against Swansea could be that. He's been unlucky not to score a couple this season. I do hope that it doesn't go against him. He's got to find the net when he gets his chance again to have any chance of a decent run. For me, and I reckon in PL's eyes, this is a make or break season for Weimann.
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I would have Weimann before Benteke and Gabby at the moment . I really like him and works well with Bent.
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Weimann is a great player. I hope we don't put him on loan. He is always a threat, darting about everywhere with loads of energy.
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Weimann is a great player. I hope we don't put him on loan. He is always a threat, darting about everywhere with loads of energy.
I agree DCF. He always busts a gut, but appears to be very skilful as well. I thought he'd be a nailed on starter for someone like Lambert.
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What I like about our striker options is that the 4 main strikers have different main qualities.
Bent as the goal sniffer, Gabby pace, Weimann workrate and Benteke strength. So in an ideal world we'll swap and change depending on who we are playing.
Yes, nice to have strikers with different qualities. This season so far they all have a similar quality though and that is they can't seem to score with any regularity.
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I think we've got one forward too many. Bent, Gabby, Benteke and Weimann going for one sometimes two spots. And that ignores Bowery, Nzogbia, Holman, Grelish and Johnson who could be asked to do a shift if we suffered injuries.
Compare this with Spurs who according to the Fantasy Football have Defoe, Adebeyor and a fella called Lancaster listed as strikers.
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Much as it seems counter-productive, I agree with an earlier poster who said it's time for Bent and Benteke to get a run together. Chopping and changing strikers is usually as effective as changing your centre-back pairing every week and to be fair, there were signs of a good understanding against Southampton even if we got a tonking. Benteke has fluffed at least three obvious chances but he's getting the chances and I reiterate, that one against West Brom where he put it over the bar was a chance he created all by himself, which I can't remember Bent doing for us.
Put simply, Benteke is only going to start scoring if you leave him on the pitch. I really do like Weimann, to return to the original topic, but until Benteke has proved that he's hopeless we can only go on Weimann's previous partnership with Bent, which looked hard-working but not very productive.
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I'd persevere with Gabby and Benteke. They (mostly Gabby) destroyed Lescott and Toure, and with better finishing from Benteke could have done the same to Spurs. Bent scores the odd scrambled effort in 1-1 draws or 4-1 defeats, but never seems to be part of a an all-round attacking display.
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Benteke reminds me of Drogba when he first appeared in the premiership, he can look cumbersome but on other occasions he looks unplayable. Thankfully he's not into all that diving malarkey.
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Agreed. I think he's going to be great on the proviso that his finishing improves.
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I'd try Gabby and Bent in the next game. If Given was dropped for the mistake v Everton, then Benteke should be dropped for the header v Spurs
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I've been banging on about how good I think Weimann is for ages but for some reason thought I was in a minority. I'm glad to see plenty of others agree. His movement is excellent, way better than Gabby's. He has been very unlucky not to get at least two goals this season, hitting the post against Everton and having one cleared off the line against Swansea and I think Citeh as well? His finishing is certainly no worse than that displayed by Benteke in the last few games, which haven't even been on target. He is very unfortunate to be finding himself apparently 4th choice at the moment. I just hope he doesn't do a Cahill through lack of chances, because we'd be kicking ourselves again in a few seasons.
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I just can't see the Drogba comparison at all with Benteke, other than the obvious fact that they're both big and black. Benteke reminds me more of Fashanu than Drogba so far.
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Much as it seems counter-productive, I agree with an earlier poster who said it's time for Bent and Benteke to get a run together.
Problem with that though is that the B&B partnership involves Benteke becoming the second striker which causes the team to revert to long ball tactics. I think it should be one or the other spearheading the attack.
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I've been banging on about how good I think Weimann is for ages but for some reason thought I was in a minority. I'm glad to see plenty of others agree. His movement is excellent, way better than Gabby's. He has been very unlucky not to get at least two goals this season, hitting the post against Everton and having one cleared off the line against Swansea and I think Citeh as well? His finishing is certainly no worse than that displayed by Benteke in the last few games, which haven't even been on target. He is very unfortunate to be finding himself apparently 4th choice at the moment. I just hope he doesn't do a Cahill through lack of chances, because we'd be kicking ourselves again in a few seasons.
This. You are not the only one. I remember as far back as the MON days those who went to reserve games constantly telling we that they rate him over the Fonz (and this is when most of us still rated the Fonz too).
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I just can't see the Drogba comparison at all with Benteke, other than the obvious fact that they're both big and black. Benteke reminds me more of Fashanu than Drogba so far.
I'd say Benteke is a far better player at 21 than Drogba was.
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I'd take a 45 year old Drogba over Benteke at the minute.
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I just can't see the Drogba comparison at all with Benteke, other than the obvious fact that they're both big and black. Benteke reminds me more of Fashanu than Drogba so far.
I'd say Benteke is a far better player at 21 than Drogba was.
Maybe so, but then Drogba is famous for being a late starter when it comes to turning pro.
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I just can't see the Drogba comparison at all with Benteke, other than the obvious fact that they're both big and black. Benteke reminds me more of Fashanu than Drogba so far.
I'd say Benteke is a far better player at 21 than Drogba was.
Maybe so, but then Drogba is famous for being a late starter when it comes to turning pro.
So considering Drogba was pretty much bobbins until he was 24, maybe we should wait more than 5 games before labelling a 21 year old who has just moved country the new Fashanu. Give the kid a chance, we should have learnt that from the like of Savo and Crouch.
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I'd like to see Weimann get a good chance, he seems to have great striking instincts and I think he'll be a quality player. I also think Benteke will come good and it is about a season too early to even consider judging him.
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I've been banging on about how good I think Weimann is for ages but for some reason thought I was in a minority. I'm glad to see plenty of others agree. His movement is excellent, way better than Gabby's. He has been very unlucky not to get at least two goals this season, hitting the post against Everton and having one cleared off the line against Swansea and I think Citeh as well? His finishing is certainly no worse than that displayed by Benteke in the last few games, which haven't even been on target. He is very unfortunate to be finding himself apparently 4th choice at the moment. I just hope he doesn't do a Cahill through lack of chances, because we'd be kicking ourselves again in a few seasons.
This. You are not the only one. I remember as far back as the MON days those who went to reserve games constantly telling we that they rate him over the Fonz (and this is when most of us still rated the Fonz too).
I don't get to see the reserves and don't really see it as a reliable gauge as it's very different from the PL. My liking for Wiemann started during the Liverpool home game last season, just before Christmas. Bent was injured and Fonz started. Fonz did okay in his half arsed way but we were generally awful. Weimann came on with about 15-20 minutes to go and I noticed his movement straight away. He made 5 or 6 excellent runs off the ball into great positions, more than the rest of the team had done all game. Not one of them was noticed by a team mate and he never received a pass. He was just starting to show what he could do with a few players who are aware of his movement when he got left out. Shame.
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I just can't see the Drogba comparison at all with Benteke, other than the obvious fact that they're both big and black. Benteke reminds me more of Fashanu than Drogba so far.
Snap. It's early days and I hope he'll become a hit for us, but I got a few comments back on the old twatter when I said I think he'll be a flop.
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I've been banging on about how good I think Weimann is for ages but for some reason thought I was in a minority. I'm glad to see plenty of others agree. His movement is excellent, way better than Gabby's. He has been very unlucky not to get at least two goals this season, hitting the post against Everton and having one cleared off the line against Swansea and I think Citeh as well? His finishing is certainly no worse than that displayed by Benteke in the last few games, which haven't even been on target. He is very unfortunate to be finding himself apparently 4th choice at the moment. I just hope he doesn't do a Cahill through lack of chances, because we'd be kicking ourselves again in a few seasons.
This. You are not the only one. I remember as far back as the MON days those who went to reserve games constantly telling we that they rate him over the Fonz (and this is when most of us still rated the Fonz too).
I don't get to see the reserves and don't really see it as a reliable gauge as it's very different from the PL.
True but it is a gauge of potential to an extent. People who went to the reserve games told me about his good runs as well as his more then handy finishing. Which is why it was no suprise to me when he started to do it with the first team.
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So considering Drogba was pretty much bobbins until he was 24, maybe we should wait more than 5 games before labelling a 21 year old who has just moved country the new Fashanu. Give the kid a chance, we should have learnt that from the like of Savo and Crouch.
I couldn't agree more. Benteke is just 9 months older than Weimann. Whereas Weimann was unlucky not to score against Swansea, Benteke gets the banjo/cows arse treatment for missing against Spurs.
They are both very good players. If Benteke had graduated from the academy we'd be raving about him too.
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So considering Drogba was pretty much bobbins until he was 24, maybe we should wait more than 5 games before labelling a 21 year old who has just moved country the new Fashanu. Give the kid a chance, we should have learnt that from the like of Savo and Crouch.
I couldn't agree more. Benteke is just 9 months older than Weimann. Whereas Weimann was unlucky not to score against Swansea, Benteke gets the banjo/cows arse treatment for missing against Spurs.
They are both very good players. If Benteke had graduated from the academy we'd be raving about him too.
This. At least Benteke looks like he'll get a couple of chances a game. Which is why I don't get these Heskey comparisons too. Heskey didn't look like getting a couple of chances a season.
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I think both Weimann and Benteke are doing the right things at the moment, both are capable of finding space and getting shots away, now it's a confidence thing. Once they start scoring these chances they'll both grow for it, add in Bent and Gabby and we've potentially got a very good strike force but, much like other areas of the team, it getting the confidence and experience at this level where it needs to be.
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Drogba? Meh. My old mate (who knows about these things) likens Benteke to Gerry Hitchens. Now you're talking.
Quite agree it's unfair to judge him negatively after five games. It's not like he's had no impact.
Scored and looked dangerous in his cameo v Swansea. Showed excellent vision when setting up a great missed chance for Bent at Southampton, an assist each for Gabby and CNZ at Man City, was a real handful against West Brom and Spurs. Missed some good chances, but has been in position and found the space and time to make them look easy, and if/when he starts putting them away occasionally he's going to be a top player.
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I just can't see the Drogba comparison at all with Benteke, other than the obvious fact that they're both big and black. Benteke reminds me more of Fashanu than Drogba so far.
I'd say Benteke is a far better player at 21 than Drogba was.
Maybe so, but then Drogba is famous for being a late starter when it comes to turning pro.
So considering Drogba was pretty much bobbins until he was 24, maybe we should wait more than 5 games before labelling a 21 year old who has just moved country the new Fashanu. Give the kid a chance, we should have learnt that from the like of Savo and Crouch.
I haven't labelled him as anything. I merely opined that based on his first few games, when he has been largely disappointing, that he doesn't resemble Drogba at all, and that if I did have to compare him to somebody, based on those few games, it would be John Fashanu, who displayed a similar level of skill to that displayed by Benteke so far. He may turn out to be a good player and I hope he does, but in line with the title of the thread, I think that Weimann is a much, much better player, and should be in the team ahead of Benteke. I think it's only the fact that Benteke cost £7m that's keeping him in the side, he isn't in there on merit in my opinion. Fine, by all means "give him time", but why isn't that being extended to Weimann, who is more experienced in the Premier League and was a major reason that we stayed up at all last year.
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You have labelled him, you liken him to Fashanu and have called him a donkey. If you prefer Weimann to Benteke why not just say so and praise Weimann rather than being negative about Benteke? I''m hoping all 4 get plenty of starts and chances as they all offer something different so would make use of those strengths depending on who the opposition are.
And how many times did you see Fashanu score a goal like the one Benteke scored against Swansea?
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And how many times did you see Fashanu score a goal like the one Benteke scored against Swansea?
Lionel Fashanessi! (http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/classic-goals-john-fashanu-1993-94/io_Cej8w3ZhzYNTEsS5BWA)
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Awooga! Still didn't have the skill and deft touch of Benteke though <evilgrin>
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Made his international debut for the senior team tonight. Shame is was in the 84th minute and should have probably come on sooner considering it finished 0-0 against the mighty Kazakhstan. Still, maybe he'll start next game considering their strike force didn't exactly endear themselves tonight.
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Became a man tonight in a football sense.
I've said for a while I think Weimann will get into double figures this season even if he's sometimes a sub.
Really impressed me how he's progressed in th last year, think he's got the tools to succeed in the prem.
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He got a great future now his getting a run he looks v good
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Before he scored I thought it was one of his worst games for us. Hopefully scoring a couple will be give him even more self belief as there is some decent potential there. Barring injuries i'd be keeping this midfield and attack as our starting 11 now.
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Front three of him, Benteke and Gabby reminds me of when we started with MON and he played Gabby and Luke Moore either side of JPA. That worked well for us and I think this one can aswell as there's plenty of pace and movement there particularly as we hardly have any wide players in our squad.
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If he puts that header into the ground or either side of the keeper; in fact anywhere, then he bags a hatrick.
A sublime strike for the first.
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Totally agree with PWS, I thought he was a bit of a headless chicken until the 45th minute, running into dead ends and not lifting his head when on the ball. However he more than made up for it with the goals. If only he'd buried that header at 2-2.
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Totally agree with PWS, I thought he was a bit of a headless chicken until the 45th minute, running into dead ends and not lifting his head when on the ball. However he more than made up for it with the goals. If only he'd buried that header at 2-2.
I agree to an extent - I don't think Weimann is good at holding onto the ball when he's facing our defenders. Evra put him under pressure and he lost the ball a few times. Also he seemed to get caught in two minds when we had the 3 on 2 break away,
That said his awareness is good, and his positional play is excellent, so he managed not to get isolated too often. He seems to play well with Ireland as well, and probably deserved to score earlier in the season. I'm not sure whether his best position is as a second striker or a wide attacker, but in this formation he is playing well at the moment.
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He knows how to finish.
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Before he scored I thought it was one of his worst games for us. Hopefully scoring a couple will be give him even more self belief as there is some decent potential there. Barring injuries i'd be keeping this midfield and attack as our starting 11 now.
Blimey, talk about seeing things differently. I thought he was excellent, and capped a good first half with a brilliant goal.
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He seems to bulldoze his way through players. He is a really strong lad and a hard worker to boot. He is bringing a good balance to the side.
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I bet Gabby is relieved that shot went over his head. Mind you, might have knocked some sense into him if he hadn't ducked*
*Only joking Gabby, but it was such a chance even Heskey would have dipped his bread.
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
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We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
Yeah, that'll er...show 'em.
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The first goal was very good, I thought as soon as he hit it it was creeping over the bar but great finish to beat De Gea when the shot was pretty central.
Pretty much everytime he's played this season he's been good. Just goals that have been missing from his game until tonight.
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We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
Yeah, that'll er...show 'em.
Dunne- so big they named him twice
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Did anyone hear him on talkSHITE with Stan?
Sounds like a Geordie.
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Before he scored I thought it was one of his worst games for us. Hopefully scoring a couple will be give him even more self belief as there is some decent potential there. Barring injuries i'd be keeping this midfield and attack as our starting 11 now.
Blimey, talk about seeing things differently. I thought he was excellent, and capped a good first half with a brilliant goal.
Can't agree with that. He kept on losing the ball and wasted a glorious opportunity when we had that 3 on 2. Much better off the ball and finishing than on it for me. So not sure he'll retain that position for too long. But his movement and intelligence are excellent
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
His goals were great but his all round performance was awful.
Great finish for the first though.
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
His goals were great but his all round performance was awful.
Great finish for the first though.
I thought he ran his bollocks off, and was easily our best player on the pitch.
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I thought Benteke was the best , Weimann was frustrating before he scored but then he was very good , should have scored a hatrick to be fair , but like him in the team.
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We need to remember he has hardly played any full games at this level and is still very inexperienced...
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His confidence will be boosted with those goals and its good that all 3 forward players seem to be hitting the target recently , we could do with a few goals from midfield too.
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Him and Hernandez were very similar yesterday. Neither defence had a clue how to mark them.
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Weimann and benteke both have great movement and now gabby seems to have found some form I have come to accept that bent will probably go but if the front 3 continue as they are then lambert is fully justified.
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It was just a shame he couldn't have scored a hat trick with that header either side of De Gea and it would have gone in.
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He's looked pretty good for a while now, all that was missing was a goal (or two), it will do wonders for his confidence, and if he can couple good all round play, with a few goals, then it will make it that much harder for the manager to drop him. happy for the lad, i remember him barely being on the pitch in the europa league a few years ago in (austria wasn't it?) and him getting a really bad injury and being stretchered off.
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He is very much a natural finisher and both his goals exemplified that. The first finish was very hard to do and a lot of players would have blazed it over the bar. The second was perfect strikers instinct to get in the position to score. He is going to be a top player and like Westwood, since he came into the first team in the 4-3-3, we have been a much much better side.
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Thought all of the front three were excellent yesterday, each offers something different which as a combination is a nightmare to defend against.
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They were two of best goals scored at VP in a long while. Brilliant build up and finishing. They give me great hope for the future. Well done Andreas, and well done PL for putting him there to do it!!
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Thought his general play was poor when he was wide. When he came more central there was a massive improvement.
What I like is he always seems to hit the target.
Would like to see him in a 4-4-2 along side Benteke.
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I wonder if he'll eventually play in the Ireland role,just off a forward,as he's got good movement,can ghost into position,and isn't afraid to get stuck in.
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I wouldn't want to see him in a 4-4-2. The major reason we haven't been overrun in the last two games is that our formation allows us to switch from 4-3-3 when attacking, to 4-5-1 when defending.
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
His goals were great but his all round performance was awful.
Great finish for the first though.
Yes Gerd Muller was a bit like that!
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He's looked pretty good for a while now, all that was missing was a goal (or two), it will do wonders for his confidence, and if he can couple good all round play, with a few goals, then it will make it that much harder for the manager to drop him. happy for the lad, i remember him barely being on the pitch in the europa league a few years ago in (austria wasn't it?) and him getting a really bad injury and being stretchered off.
That was a shameful incident in Vienna. He was playing at his home club, his family were in the crowd, and he got booed and jeered at when he was carried off injured. Rapid later apologised.
I've been very impressed by him in the last 3 games. He's not a natural winger, any more than Gabby is, though they're both fast, provide width and frighten defenders. Importantly, they're very effective when they move into the centre, and we saw that particularly with Weimann on Saturday. The present system, with Benteke the target man and Ireland just behind, allows that sort of flexibility.
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I wouldn't want to see him in a 4-4-2. The major reason we haven't been overrun in the last two games is that our formation allows us to switch from 4-3-3 when attacking, to 4-5-1 when defending.
Apart from Gabby, who doesn't seem to have much clue what to do when defending on the wing.
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Not ball watching would be a good start.
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I wouldn't want to see him in a 4-4-2. The major reason we haven't been overrun in the last two games is that our formation allows us to switch from 4-3-3 when attacking, to 4-5-1 when defending.
Apart from Gabby, who doesn't seem to have much clue what to do when defending on the wing.
I don't know he was still dropping back into midfield a fair bit.
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He's looked pretty good for a while now, all that was missing was a goal (or two), it will do wonders for his confidence, and if he can couple good all round play, with a few goals, then it will make it that much harder for the manager to drop him. happy for the lad, i remember him barely being on the pitch in the europa league a few years ago in (austria wasn't it?) and him getting a really bad injury and being stretchered off.
That was a shameful incident in Vienna. He was playing at his home club, his family were in the crowd, and he got booed and jeered at when he was carried off injured. Rapid later apologised.
I've been very impressed by him in the last 3 games. He's not a natural winger, any more than Gabby is, though they're both fast, provide width and frighten defenders. Importantly, they're very effective when they move into the centre, and we saw that particularly with Weimann on Saturday. The present system, with Benteke the target man and Ireland just behind, allows that sort of flexibility.
it may just be me, but he has something of Tommy Johnson about him. Although I can't quite put my finger on it.
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He's looked pretty good for a while now, all that was missing was a goal (or two), it will do wonders for his confidence, and if he can couple good all round play, with a few goals, then it will make it that much harder for the manager to drop him. happy for the lad, i remember him barely being on the pitch in the europa league a few years ago in (austria wasn't it?) and him getting a really bad injury and being stretchered off.
That was a shameful incident in Vienna. He was playing at his home club, his family were in the crowd, and he got booed and jeered at when he was carried off injured. Rapid later apologised.
I've been very impressed by him in the last 3 games. He's not a natural winger, any more than Gabby is, though they're both fast, provide width and frighten defenders. Importantly, they're very effective when they move into the centre, and we saw that particularly with Weimann on Saturday. The present system, with Benteke the target man and Ireland just behind, allows that sort of flexibility.
it may just be me, but he has something of Tommy Johnson about him. Although I can't quite put my finger on it.
has he puked on the pitch yet?
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it may just be me, but he has something of Tommy Johnson about him. Although I can't quite put my finger on it.
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its before my time but didn't Gary Lineker have a case of the runs in an England match once?
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Weimann has been unlucky not to have scored more goals than he has so far this season. He'll keep his place for a while because he deserves to but eventually we might be better off with a proper wide midfielder to give us a bit more balance and balls into the box.
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Weimann has been unlucky not to have scored more goals than he has so far this season. He'll keep his place for a while because he deserves to but eventually we might be better off with a proper wide midfielder to give us a bit more balance and balls into the box.
Weimann has superb movement and creates space, he will be a perfect foil for benteke and I think he will take great confidence from last week, I'm delighted for him.
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Weimann has been unlucky not to have scored more goals than he has so far this season. He'll keep his place for a while because he deserves to but eventually we might be better off with a proper wide midfielder to give us a bit more balance and balls into the box.
Weimann has superb movement and creates space, he will be a perfect foil for benteke and I think he will take great confidence from last week, I'm delighted for him.
Agreed, eastie.
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I think Saturday's game really showed PL how important Weimann can be for us.
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Still think hes another David Geddis. However Geddis managed a fair return of goals when he was with us without exceptional talent.
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Still think hes another David Geddis. However Geddis managed a fair return of goals when he was with us without exceptional talent.
Weimann is still raw though and will improve , I think he will be a lot better than Geddis was , although I'm not knocking Geddis as his goals against blues in our title winning season will always be fondly remembered.
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Would you prefer to see a line up with someone similar to Ashley Young and Benteke and Weimann or Ashley Young, Agbonlahor and Benteke
Just asking. I think he is doing a great job :)
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
His goals were great but his all round performance was awful.
Great finish for the first though.
That's happened to you, s_h?
It's all doom and gloom, the players are all shit these days.
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
His goals were great but his all round performance was awful.
Great finish for the first though.
That's happened to you, s_h?
It's all doom and gloom, the players are all shit these days.
The league doesn't lie. We've been awful this season.
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The only downside to playing Weimann is that we lose a bit of width but overall he's been good. His first goal on saturday was a great finish.
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
His goals were great but his all round performance was awful.
Great finish for the first though.
That's happened to you, s_h?
It's all doom and gloom, the players are all shit these days.
The league doesn't lie. We've been awful this season.
We haven't been universally awful.
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He was outstanding, he is like Holman but with skill and goals in him.
We were brilliant today. As soon as Dunne comes in for Dunne we are laughing
His goals were great but his all round performance was awful.
Great finish for the first though.
That's happened to you, s_h?
It's all doom and gloom, the players are all shit these days.
The league doesn't lie. We've been awful this season.
We haven't been universally awful.
True, and even if we had, it doesn't mean all the players are shit.
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SH is on a massive anti Lerner project since the summer. I don't get it.
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Weimann is doing okay but not sure how much further he will progress. Still he's young. What he ahsn't got is bags of pace which has the potential to hold him back. He's got okay pace but nothing else.
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I like Weimann, he gets himself into good positions, works his socks off, and is a decent finisher. I think he's a strong squad member, probably not ready to start every week but gives us a lot of positives. His first on Saturday was as clean a strike as you'll see, loads of power so it beat De Gea for pace but he did really well to control it and keep it under the bar.
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Weimann could be a really good player. I just hope he improves on his awareness of others around him. There was one particular occassion on Saturday before we scored the first, when he broke through and had both Gabby And Benteke in great positions either side of him, but he chose to blast it high and wide. Its not the first time he's made that sort of choice.
Its only minor though and if he improves that side of his game he and Villa will be better for it.
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Ireland was clean through with Weimann at one point and he ran it into a defender without even looking up. I was furious.
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Ireland was clean through with Weimann at one point and he ran it into a defender without even looking up. I was furious.
Didn't look up? United intercepted his pass to Ireland, he might have played it earlier but he was well aware of his prescence.
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Ireland was clean through with Weimann at one point and he ran it into a defender without even looking up. I was furious.
Didn't look up? United intercepted his pass to Ireland, he might have played it earlier but he was well aware of his prescence.
Either way, he held onto the ball for way too long. The pass was screaming to be played earlier. He'll learn.
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Ireland was clean through with Weimann at one point and he ran it into a defender without even looking up. I was furious.
Didn't look up? United intercepted his pass to Ireland, he might have played it earlier but he was well aware of his prescence.
Either way, he held onto the ball for way too long. The pass was screaming to be played earlier. He'll learn.
That's the problem we have. The young ones are having to learn now, altogether, instead of having had previous experience by either having odd games at VP or out on loan. There has been no pathway set up to bring these youngsters through from the academy and gently blood them.
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It is great to have players we can talk positively about rather than discussing the limitations.
Benteke. Weimann, Vlaar will go down in the book of Villa along with Gabby. I am looking to the future.
The way Benteke ManU backs inside out made me proud. Weimanns goals were stunning!
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Ireland was clean through with Weimann at one point and he ran it into a defender without even looking up. I was furious.
Didn't look up? United intercepted his pass to Ireland, he might have played it earlier but he was well aware of his prescence.
Either way, he held onto the ball for way too long. The pass was screaming to be played earlier. He'll learn.
That's the problem we have. The young ones are having to learn now, altogether, instead of having had previous experience by either having odd games at VP or out on loan. There has been no pathway set up to bring these youngsters through from the academy and gently blood them.
That incident did make him look inadequate at this level. He completely fucked it up.
Hopefully it was just a mentality / over awed thing. His movement in and around the box is excellent
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Weimann is doing okay but not sure how much further he will progress. Still he's young. What he ahsn't got is bags of pace which has the potential to hold him back. He's got okay pace but nothing else.
But he does make up for the lack of burning acceleration with excellent positional nous and good reading of the game.
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Ireland was clean through with Weimann at one point and he ran it into a defender without even looking up. I was furious.
Didn't look up? United intercepted his pass to Ireland, he might have played it earlier but he was well aware of his prescence.
Either way, he held onto the ball for way too long. The pass was screaming to be played earlier. He'll learn.
When Albrighton was first coming through, it always struck me that his biggest failing was his decision making - he'd do good work, then usually take the wrong decision re what to do with the ball at the end.
It's not surprising, really, in a kid, as that kind of nous general improves as they get more experienced. Well, it should do, anyway.
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Ireland was clean through with Weimann at one point and he ran it into a defender without even looking up. I was furious.
Didn't look up? United intercepted his pass to Ireland, he might have played it earlier but he was well aware of his prescence.
Either way, he held onto the ball for way too long. The pass was screaming to be played earlier. He'll learn.
That's the problem we have. The young ones are having to learn now, altogether, instead of having had previous experience by either having odd games at VP or out on loan. There has been no pathway set up to bring these youngsters through from the academy and gently blood them.
That incident did make him look inadequate at this level. He completely fucked it up.
Hopefully it was just a mentality / over awed thing. His movement in and around the box is excellent
One bad decision and he's "inadequate at this level"? Fuck me, who was the last Villa player to score two goals against Man U?
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Fuck me, who was the last Villa player to score two goals against Man U?
Dean Saunders.
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That incident did make him look inadequate at this level. He completely fucked it up.
Hopefully it was just a mentality / over awed thing. His movement in and around the box is excellent
One bad decision and he's "inadequate at this level"? Fuck me, who was the last Villa player to score two goals against Man U?
In fairness I think Matt didn't mean to say that he is inadequate, just that it did look pretty shoddy.
In any case, I agree. Both goals in their own way showed the qualities he has that could keep him at the top table.
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Guzan has been talking to E&P..he's been reading my posts!
http://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/star-sees-new-villa-identity-1501366.html
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Weimann reminds me a bit of Dirk Kuyt in how he plays. Liverpool signed him as a striker but he eventually was converted into a right sided midfield.
Could see the same happening to Weimann although I do think he'll be more prolific.
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Weimann will be a top six regular Premier league player , and he will do that with us.We really do have some negative hard to please fans who are too quick to denegrate our own, if he was performing like this for a more "fashionable" club he would be getting rave reviews, as it is he made that smug t*at Fergie squirm a bit and he has become a must start in the team.
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Maybe we could ressurect the old Andy Gray song for the new Andi .
WHOA Andi your the greatest the Holte end Say ect ect
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Brilliant feet to readjust them and steer the balls into the net for both his goals. Compared to Gervinho making a bags of his open goal effort at Bradford.
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I used to think he'd become the next Darren Bent when he was beginning to emerge, a bit of a poacher type. He's probed to be far more than that though, he's comfortable on the ball and can create chances as well as finish them. A good prospect and seems like a really top lad.
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Coming on well.
Lambert was vindicated for taking him out of the team to give him a breather after a poor performance against Reading.
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I used to think he'd become the next Darren Bent when he was beginning to emerge, a bit of a poacher type. He's probed to be far more than that though, he's comfortable on the ball and can create chances as well as finish them. A good prospect and seems like a really top lad.
Its a pity that Hitzlsperger isn't still here. They could speak to each other in Pidgin Brummie.
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One of the things I like about him is that he rarely seems to waste a shot. Nearly always hits the target.
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I'm a big fan of Weimann, I don't think he's ready to start every week but in a 4231 he's great as the right sided player in the 3, if we can get a quick tricky left sided player and a central player who can score goals (preferably not much older than benteke and weimann) we could have an attacking unit of real quality and they can play together for years.
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I'd like to see him start a dozen games on the bounce playing with Benteke.
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I'm a big fan of Weimann, I don't think he's ready to start every week but in a 4231 he's great as the right sided player in the 3, if we can get a quick tricky left sided player and a central player who can score goals (preferably not much older than benteke and weimann) we could have an attacking unit of real quality and they can play together for years.
Perfect for Ash if he was still here but barring him, one for N'zog or has he had too many chances now?
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I'm a big fan of Weimann, I don't think he's ready to start every week but in a 4231 he's great as the right sided player in the 3, if we can get a quick tricky left sided player and a central player who can score goals (preferably not much older than benteke and weimann) we could have an attacking unit of real quality and they can play together for years.
Perfect for Ash if he was still here but barring him, one for N'zog or has he had too many chances now?
Nzogbia as he was for Wigan - sure.
Nzogbia as he has been for Villa - no chance.
I don't think we can risk another window on nzogbia finally delivering something for us, I'd really want to go and find someone for the role.
Ash would be perfect for us, I've said somewhere else a couple of players like him to compete with gabby and Weimann in those roles would be 2 3rds of a perfect window.
Add a Merson like attacking midfielder and we're done until the summer.
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I think we've seen the formation evolve a bit a the seasons progress:-
Started as a 4-4-2 with a narrow midfield.
Then a 4-3-3 with Gabby and Weimann wide.
Now a 3-5-2, although that may be to compensate for Concrete Ron being out.
I think the next step may be, especially given what Lambert's said about winger, to go to a 3-4-1-2. What that would mean is Weimann or Gabby up top with Benteke and the player in the hole probably being a January signing.
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We look more solid in the 3-5-2 and have done reasonably well. I think too, playing 2 up top could provide more goals now. We need someone with some nous to read Bentekes flicks and who can finish. I think Andy has that potential. I think he's showed a few touches of class in his Villa career so far. He's scored some very good goals (Fulham stands out.). I think he, more than Gab and Bent, could have a lot of joy playing of the big man.
I'd go along with giving him a run in the side now, particularly in the centre.
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I think we've seen the formation evolve a bit a the seasons progress:-
Started as a 4-4-2 with a narrow midfield.
Then a 4-3-3 with Gabby and Weimann wide.
Now a 3-5-2, although that may be to compensate for Concrete Ron being out.
I think the next step may be, especially given what Lambert's said about winger, to go to a 3-4-1-2. What that would mean is Weimann or Gabby up top with Benteke and the player in the hole probably being a January signing.
I think it's already a 3-4-1-2 in possession. I think the next step will be a refinement of the 4-2-3-1, with a genuine playmaker type in there instead of a filler-in.
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Holman has been getting closest to the forwards, Ireland could do that job. As could N'Zogbia, but I don't trust him to work as hard as Holman.
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I think we've seen the formation evolve a bit a the seasons progress:-
Started as a 4-4-2 with a narrow midfield.
Then a 4-3-3 with Gabby and Weimann wide.
Now a 3-5-2, although that may be to compensate for Concrete Ron being out.
I think the next step may be, especially given what Lambert's said about winger, to go to a 3-4-1-2. What that would mean is Weimann or Gabby up top with Benteke and the player in the hole probably being a January signing.
I think it's already a 3-4-1-2 in possession. I think the next step will be a refinement of the 4-2-3-1, with a genuine playmaker type in there instead of a filler-in.
That may come in 2013/2014, but I don't see great options in the present side for the wide attacking positions in a 4-2-3-1. 3-4-1-2 allows Gabby or Weimann to play in their more natural positions upfront and negates the need for that width. I don't think a plyamaker as such is needed, as we have two creative passers of the ball deeper in Bannan and Westwood, but an attacking player to join in with the striker and score a few. This would be the '1' behind the strikers at present and then the central of the attacking midfielders if/when we switch to 4-2-3-1. Someone like Dempsey would be ideal.
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I'd quite like this playmaker to kind of be both creator and one to chip in with a few. Also, I'm not convinced that Lambert wants wide players as such, more an interchangeable three behind the focal point of Benteke. Gabby and Weimann tend to drop deeper than Benteke even in the current system, arriving later in the box. I think the 4-2-3-1 with a more fluid 3 would actually get the best out of players like Weimann.
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I think it would if he was the striker in front of the three, which will be hard for him while Benteke is here. At the moment we are 'making do' for the creative options, which is one reason for the lack of goals, with the players either being out of position slightly (Gabby and Weimann) or not delivering what they should (Ireland and N'Zogbia). Holman seems to be picking up a bit of better form, but it is an area we need to strengthen in January, IMO.
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See, I've never rated Gabby that highly as an out-and-out forward, but he is often a threat playing as a wide forward where he gets space to run into, especially on the break. Weimann's movement and touch is very clever, and I think his best goalscoring opportunities will be arriving late and intelligently into the box, which he would be able to do as one of the three - in fact, see both of his goals against United and both of his goals against Norwich for how well this suits him. He would definitely need two more genuine 'creators' alongside him in the three, one of whom would be more like a Zog type (just better) and the other of whom an Ireland type (again, just better). I think that's a balanced attacking 4, especially as Benteke is so brilliant at fighting off defenders and working space for others to exploit between the lines.
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I think Weimann is doing that well because he's a very good and intelligent footballer. However, he's also a great finisher and I'd like to utilise that as much as possible, which means playing as a more regular front man. I also think he lacks a bit of creativity to play there longterm and really thrive.
We'll disagree on Gabby then, as I like him best as a striker. That doesn't mean he can't pull wide at times, but again I don't see the final pass/cross from him often enough to convince me it's his best position.
I agree with a new and better versions of Ireland and N'Zogbia being needed, which I'm sure Lambert has on his agenda!
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He's 14/1 with William Hill to get the first goal tomorrow.
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Fair enough we disagree on Gabby (I just don't trust his movement right up front - I think he's better when the instruction is a simple 'find gaps behind Christian'!). I think Weimann's finishing is actually better utilised arriving late in the box, because he's more likely to get space in front of goal with Benteke bullying their defences backwards than if he's right up front foraging for himself. I also think he is direct enough, quick enough and intelligent enough to play as one of the three, but I agree that he would need to be balanced by more out-and-out creators of the type we've mentioned.
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Fair enough we disagree on Gabby (I just don't trust his movement right up front - I think he's better when the instruction is a simple 'find gaps behind Christian'!). I think Weimann's finishing is actually better utilised arriving late in the box, because he's more likely to get space in front of goal with Benteke bullying their defences backwards than if he's right up front foraging for himself. I also think he is direct enough, quick enough and intelligent enough to play as one of the three, but I agree that he would need to be balanced by more out-and-out creators of the type we've mentioned.
I agree with Monty on this, I think Weimann is potentially a great "inside right" he needs to work on going past his man on the outside but I think he has the industry and quality to add that to his game and then arriving late into the box, either onto crosses from the left or picking up the ball being cleared sits him because his technique when he's coming on to the ball is superb, if he's in the box he looks a bit static and seems to struggle to open up his feet.
A young clone on the left and a Merson clone in the middle are the major requirements and then I'd want another player who can compete with Andy but is more of a threat going past people outside, so we have the 'winger' option.
that's give us:
Weimann/{new guy} --- {MERSON}/Holman/Ireland --- {YOUNG}/Gabby/Nzogbia
Behind Benteke, with Gabby as backup for Benteke in the forward role. If Bent were to stay I'd drop the need for one of the wide players and gabby could concentrate on that role.
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With Bent and Gabby not playing tomorrow it will be interesting to see if Andreas starts alongside Benteke. I do think his natural position is playing more central than on the right of a three man unit behind the central striker.
I also have this feeling that he might well be our "super-sub"; in that he would cause more havoc/score more goals coming on for the last 30 minutes (see Hernandez's stats for when he starts against when he is a sub).
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I'm very glad that Lambert is giving Weimann a chance, I think he's had loads of promise for a while.
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I think Charlie deserves a run out in behind a front two. He has an qbility to move the ball on quickly and I think that speed in the space between the midfield and the forwards is what we need.
We keep the ball pretty well, but we need to drive the game on in the final third too.
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I think Charlie deserves a run out in behind a front two. He has an qbility to move the ball on quickly and I think that speed in the space between the midfield and the forwards is what we need.
We keep the ball pretty well, but we need to drive the game on in the final third too.
Not sure N'Zogbia would work hard enough to play that position. I agree with your comment about needing drive in the final third, but feel the player in that position also needs to help out defensively.
I agree with those saying they prefer to see Weimann in a central role in a 3-5-2 formation, as opposed to out wide in a 4-2-3-1.
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Fair enough we disagree on Gabby (I just don't trust his movement right up front - I think he's better when the instruction is a simple 'find gaps behind Christian'!). I think Weimann's finishing is actually better utilised arriving late in the box, because he's more likely to get space in front of goal with Benteke bullying their defences backwards than if he's right up front foraging for himself. I also think he is direct enough, quick enough and intelligent enough to play as one of the three, but I agree that he would need to be balanced by more out-and-out creators of the type we've mentioned.
I agree with Monty on this, I think Weimann is potentially a great "inside right" he needs to work on going past his man on the outside but I think he has the industry and quality to add that to his game and then arriving late into the box, either onto crosses from the left or picking up the ball being cleared sits him because his technique when he's coming on to the ball is superb, if he's in the box he looks a bit static and seems to struggle to open up his feet.
A young clone on the left and a Merson clone in the middle are the major requirements and then I'd want another player who can compete with Andy but is more of a threat going past people outside, so we have the 'winger' option.
that's give us:
Weimann/{new guy} --- {MERSON}/Holman/Ireland --- {YOUNG}/Gabby/Nzogbia
Behind Benteke, with Gabby as backup for Benteke in the forward role. If Bent were to stay I'd drop the need for one of the wide players and gabby could concentrate on that role.
It may well be a case of him being able to fit both roles and doing either as the team requires, a bit like Rooney, but I still think he's best as a more traditional striker right now.
Speaking of which, given Lambert's liking for changing the formation, I think we'll see enough variety from his Villa sides that we'll see all the discussed options eventually.
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What a truly brilliant finish today. And it's not like he'd probably have been expecting such an inch perfect back heel either, so he needed to react very sharply. I reckon we could have £50m+ worth of players in those two one day.
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A better natural finisher than what we paid 18 mill for
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And also a better team player who wants to be here
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Yep. I really enjoyed watching him today. He is a natural finisher but he also defends from the front - he chases everything down, he signals for someone to pick up another player so that we are collectively closing the opposition down on each pass and he has a go at anyone who doesn't close down quick enough. Even right at the end of the game, he chased down about 4 passes - running about 40 yards after having done that all game. Superb work ethic. The guy loves the club too.
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I'm glad he's got his chance, there have been so many 'next big thing from the youth team' and kids who never got a fair crack at regular first team action.
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Weimann brings everything Bent does (poaching goals, good runs, etc) and so much more. Work rate, team work, enthusiasm, defending, brilliant.
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Something the Liverpool fans picked up on was his work rate...they were saying the running he did knackered the back 4 trying to track him...
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Commentators take note: He may be a wise man but it's Weimann!! And Weeman is Bannan.
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I think it must be the nativity on their mind.
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I'm trying to remember, was it Weimann who scored our goal at Liverpool last season?
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I'm trying to remember, was it Weimann who scored our goal at Liverpool last season?
No, it was Herd.
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Weimann's progress is fantastic and in the two wins this week he replaced Gabby in the team. This is bad news for Gabby but as he is a Villa fan I am sure Gabby is delighted.
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Both Weimann and Benteke look like complete forwards already, and not just youngsters playing because of an injury crisis.
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Weimann looks a class act, with a lot of hard work to boot. I can't see how so many could so strongly defend Darren Bent, blaming his woes on the fact he isn't given enough service. Standing around waiting for the ball for 90 minutes is just not the way a front man plays in this age. But I don't want to descend into another Bent argument.
For me, Weimann offers us plenty of movement and he's a very good finisher. He's got very good technique when he strikes a ball. He's always looking for the ball. If it doesn't come to him, he works to get it. For that too, we look far better as a team. Just as when Gabby plays as well, his work-rate has an impact on the game. You don't get much goal threat from Gab but I think now, we can use him in a role that's well suited to him, from the bench. With Weimann we get a good mix of some of Gabby's work and tireless running, as well as Bents ability to put a chance away. Bents more of a poacher, but I see Weimann as being able to finish effectively inside the box and outside.
There's a definite chemistry between Andy and Benteke too. Long may it continue.
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Great to hear that he's finally got his own chant too. Well deserved.
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There's a definite chemistry between Andy and Benteke too. Long may it continue.
Weimann's goal yesterday and his second at Norwich are examples of that
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He looks much better playing though the middle than out wide. His last three finishes have been top notch.
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Gabby has to stay out of the team for me, Benteke and Weimann are our first choice strike force.
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Weimann seems to be getting better and better and certainly is a very good finisher. Got a great work ethic as well and as others have said, seems to have a good understanding with Benteke. That second goal yesterday was a superb team goal.
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Both Weimann and Benteke look like complete forwards already, and not just youngsters playing because of an injury crisis.
They remind me of Atkinson and Saunders.
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I'm slightly wary of all the praise being heaped on him at present, it's reminiscent of what was being said about Albrighton a couple of years back. At the moment he's a good prospect, nothing more.
Let's just wait and see how he copes when teams get wise to him and defences and coaches start paying him more attention.
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Thing is Chris is he seems to be a natural finisher and that is priceless. I thought he was awful first half v Man Ure and said to my lad I can see him being taken off at half time, then he pops up with two goals lol
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Win % with Wiemann Starting 66% (started in all games won this season only 2 losses he's started have been the Mancester clubs), Overall 53.3% with him playing some part. Only pick up 3 points out of 18 without him playing - Catalyst?
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Did anyone realise are only Win's this season have come with Wiemann starting?
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Did anyone realise are only Win's this season have come with Wiemann starting?
Looks like Benteke isn't the only striker we can't afford to have out of the side.
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I'm slightly wary of all the praise being heaped on him at present, it's reminiscent of what was being said about Albrighton a couple of years back. At the moment he's a good prospect, nothing more.
Let's just wait and see how he copes when teams get wise to him and defences and coaches start paying him more attention.
I agree with the essential point about caution - how many young prospects have been overhyped into obscurity - but there are two caveats to this in my view, especially with the Albrighton comparison: firstly, the main thing which excites (at least me) about Weimann is his footballing intelligence, something which Albrighton hasn't really developed enough; secondly (and perhaps following on from the first point), Weimann hopefully has a stable, supportive and progressive manager and coaching team helping him through these crucial years in his development, whereas Marc's burst into the first team was followed by the chaos and disruption of the last two years.
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Both Weimann and Benteke look like complete forwards already, and not just youngsters playing because of an injury crisis.
I think that's because they are, and they'd be playing regardless of injuries.
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Both Weimann and Benteke look like complete forwards already, and not just youngsters playing because of an injury crisis.
Stop it. They are both useless ineffective no hopers who would not survive in a top PL team for more than a second. The only reason they are in our team is that Heskey left us and Benty likes shopping.
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Thing is Chris is he seems to be a natural finisher and that is priceless. I thought he was awful first half v Man Ure and said to my lad I can see him being taken off at half time, then he pops up with two goals lol
I agree with that, he often makes the wrong decision outside the box, holds on to it for too long or picks the wrong pass but put him in front of goal and it comes naturally. I just think he needs to be allowed time to develop and not over hyped after a couple of goals.
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Chris, I know what you mean, but he seems to have a great work ethic and think when he is played up top with Benteke he will score lots of goals. Is a doal poacher, but has more to his game than that
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Both Weimann and Benteke look like complete forwards already, and not just youngsters playing because of an injury crisis.
Stop it. They are both useless ineffective no hopers who would not survive in a top PL team for more than a second. The only reason they are in our team is that Heskey left us and Benty likes shopping.
Withe and Shaw? Laurel and Hardy more like it. The awesome balance and goal threat of Heskey is much missed.
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I think he's a bloody carthorse. He aye a patch on John Fashanu.
edit. Wrong thread.
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Did anyone realise are only Win's this season have come with Wiemann starting?
Good stat.
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Did anyone realise are only Win's this season have come with Wiemann starting?
Good stat.
It's one of those selective sats. We have not won every game where Weimann started. We have lost games where he has been in from the start. Have not checked but there may be other players who have only payed in the 4 games we have won!
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We've won 8 games in all comps, I think Weimann is the only one to start all 8.
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We've won 8 games in all comps, I think Weimann is the only one to start all 8.
Top stat
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Weimann didn't start against norwich
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We've won 8 games in all comps, I think Weimann is the only one to start all 8.
Top stat
Shit stat more like! Maybe we can amend it to we only win when Weimann plays at least an hour?
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Hasn't Lowton started in all 8?
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Both Weimann and Benteke look like complete forwards already, and not just youngsters playing because of an injury crisis.
They remind me of Atkinson and Saunders.
I'm not old enough to remember Withe and Shaw but from what I have seen on video/dcs they remind me of that partnership.
Weimann is clever to get into the spaces that a striker does. And hes already got a great understanding with Benteke. Benteke holds the ball up like i have never seen a villa striker do!
Weimann and Benteke have to be our first choice front pairing.
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Weimann's played well all season, he was unlucky to be taken out of the team around September time.
Good the goals are starting to come regularly now for him.
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Gabby has to stay out of the team for me, Benteke and Weimann are our first choice strike force.
Weirdly Gabby is the perfect compliment for each of them, but from the bench. He can replace either with 30 minutes to go and should work well with the other. Similarly if one looses form Gabby is an ideal replacement. This way all three should feel sufficiently involved but yet be have the chance to rest occasionally.
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Both Weimann and Benteke look like complete forwards already, and not just youngsters playing because of an injury crisis.
Stop it. They are both useless ineffective no hopers who would not survive in a top PL team for more than a second. The only reason they are in our team is that Heskey left us and Benty likes shopping.
Agree - thank god they can't play for England. How lucky embarrassing would that be, eh.
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Weimann's played well all season, he was unlucky to be taken out of the team around September time.
Good the goals are starting to come regularly now for him.
I think giving him a rest was eminently sensible, he's still a relative novice and needs to be allowed time to develop.
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Weimann's played well all season, he was unlucky to be taken out of the team around September time.
Good the goals are starting to come regularly now for him.
I think giving him a rest was eminently sensible, he's still a relative novice and needs to be allowed time to develop.
I think resting him for two games after he didn't play well against Reading was correct from Lambert.
He played pretty well against Newcastle and Swansea and it was right at the start of the season so he was unlucky to lose his place then.
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Reading through the moaning on RAWK one of the comments made was (grudging) praise of how Weimann's constant running told on their CBs. Should prove a good foil to the power of Benteke.
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Weimann is the kind of player we have lacked for a while up front. Not the best footballer, but has 2 abilities. 1 is to work like a duracell bunny for the team, and 2 is to stick the ball in the net. He reminds me a little of Deano in that, but then also a little of Paul Dickov. Either way, he workrate is exceptional and to dovetail that with a good goal return is excellent. If he and Benteke were given a season together I reckon we would see 30-35 goals from the pair in all comps.
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Weimann is the kind of player we have lacked for a while up front. Not the best footballer, but has 2 abilities. 1 is to work like a duracell bunny for the team, and 2 is to stick the ball in the net. He reminds me a little of Deano in that, but then also a little of Paul Dickov. Either way, he workrate is exceptional and to dovetail that with a good goal return is excellent. If he and Benteke were given a season together I reckon we would see 30-35 goals from the pair in all comps.
I think you've slightly undersold him: I agree about his energy and ability to convert chances but also think his movement and anticipation are excellent. He must be a great team-mate to play alongside.
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Indeed. Weimanns main traits are firstly an instinctive natural finisher and secondly his movement as a striker (not a midfielder).
He knows where Benteke is going to run and vice versa, hence the goals they have scored and created for eachother over the last two games (and also against United). Combine these with his work ethic and you have one hell of a promising player and a potentially awesome partnership with Benteke.
Such is the promise it's almost at the point where you consider building a team around them, most of whom could be in place already.
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Indeed. Weimanns main traits are firstly an instinctive natural finisher and secondly his movement as a striker (not a midfielder).
Agree with that Maz. His movement and anticipation in the box is his strength, not the build up play outside it.
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I disagree. I think his build-up movement is terrific as well - just his decision-making that needs work.
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I disagree. I think his build-up movement is terrific as well - just his decision-making that needs work.
I think it's a confidence thing, like a lot of our younger players they've only really got a run in teams playing poor football and with poor results, so they haven't really had the confidence to make the most of their talent. We're now seeing them start to realise that they're good enough to play at this level. Weimann is now confident in his ability to score goals at this level but he's not quite there with some other elements.
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Weimann can also drop off and play in the hole linking with the midfield. Apart from Keane's brief cameo that's something we've lacked upfront for agessssssssss.
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Weimann and Benteke are natural footballers. You can't score a goal like the second at Anfield last week unless your strikers have an instinctive understanding. Those two are the future.
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Weimann is the kind of player we have lacked for a while up front. Not the best footballer, but has 2 abilities. 1 is to work like a duracell bunny for the team, and 2 is to stick the ball in the net. He reminds me a little of Deano in that, but then also a little of Paul Dickov. Either way, he workrate is exceptional and to dovetail that with a good goal return is excellent. If he and Benteke were given a season together I reckon we would see 30-35 goals from the pair in all comps.
I think you've slightly undersold him: I agree about his energy and ability to convert chances but also think his movement and anticipation are excellent. He must be a great team-mate to play alongside.
You beat me to it Mister E, I think his movement up front, finding space, making runs off the shoulders off defenders and between them, is perhaps his biggest strength, along with his finishing technique. Anyone can have good work rate, but it's so much more effective when effort is mixed with purpose and clever movement.
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Out of our current crop of young un's, Weimann is the one that i did'nt think would make it. I'd thought he'd drop down the leagues but he's been great this season, especially since he's been played more centrally and not pushed out wide, which i did'nt think suited him at all.
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See I always thought Weimann looked like a great prospect and much much better than Fonz.
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There seems to be a trend where the hyped prospects ultimately don't make it and the less heralded one's quietly come through and become first teamers.
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See I always thought Weimann looked like a great prospect and much much better than Fonz.
Likewise.
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There seems to be a trend where the hyped prospects ultimately don't make it and the less heralded one's quietly come through and become first teamers.
The 2 I've been making a big deal of to none villa fans for about 3-4years are Clark and Bannan. I've been getting a lot of feedback from that this season, particularly regarding Clark. The 2 big Man Utd fans I know (who both have season tickets and have had for a long time) would love them to sign him to replace Rio.
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Played with an injury yesterday, and did as much running as anybody.
He's not the finished article, but he at least wants the shirt.
For all their talent, I don't think that Ireland or N'zogbia should start, unless they can
demonstrate a similar amount of effort.
We're in a scrap and we need fighters.
Over the next few weeks its up to the manager to find them.
Weimann is one.
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I agree, rushed back from injury yesterday and it showed but he still got involved in the game.
Need to get him to a new deal as if the worst happens I reckon he'd score 20 goals at championship level.
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Weimann is absolutely without a doubt in the "good enough" pile.
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Agreed. There's a lot to wade through before we consider letting weimann go (voluntarily)
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One of my favourite players, tries hard, moves off the ball intelligently and can score
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I like how 99% of the time he hits the target
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I like Weimann. I think he brings great energy up front and has an eye for goal. When he is full of confidence he plays well.
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Played with an injury yesterday, and did as much running as anybody.
He's not the finished article, but he at least wants the shirt.
For all their talent, I don't think that Ireland or N'zogbia should start, unless they can
demonstrate a similar amount of effort.
We're in a scrap and we need fighters.
Over the next few weeks its up to the manager to find them.
Weimann is one.
agreed.
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He is the daddy, even more so after watching his (hopefully first) goal today. Worth millions.
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Best movement of a striker down VP in the last 20 years.Watch his movement off the ball for the goal.Lovely movement.
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Well done Andi.
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The difference between him and the other youngsters is he looks like a winner. I get the impression from some of the others that they are just happy to be in the team and playing premier league football, they do not all strike me as players who have a burning desire to win. Weimann does and he will score a lot of goals alongside Benteke if we can sort out the 8 behind them.
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He and the beast are an excellent pairing as they work hard and provide relief for the defence. Get a midfield and solid back 4 behind them and they will take us much further up this league
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When the ball fell to him, I believed he would score. I wouldn't have had the same confidence if he had been probably any other player; maybe even Benteke.
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I love this bloke more and more.
I read on the BBC that his goal today was an excellent first touch shot across the keeper.
It has been a long time since we had a player with such a dangerous first touch.
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The goal is here, it's a brilliant finish running away from goal - instinctive and he made a difficult technique look easy.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/andreas-weimann-aston-villa-v-swansea/
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We've got a rare and exceptional talent here.
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Just listening to an article about Southampton's academy and how in recent years they've produced the likes of Bale, Walcott, Dyer and Oxlade-Chamberlain. I was thinking when was the last time we produced someone who really went on with us, or even another team to become a really special player, or at least play at a high PL level. I couldn't think of many, if any. When I look at Weimann, his work rate, his instincts and understanding of the game and blooming relationship with Benteke, we might have someone who falls into that top quality category. He certainly looks the part right now.
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The best finisher at the club. One chance, bang!
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I think he's developing into a better version of Robbie Keane.
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If only we could put a midfield behind these pair, they would tear sides apart.
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I was thinking when was the last time we produced someone who really went on with us, or even another team to become a really special player, or at least play at a high PL level. I couldn't think of many, if any.
Cahill?
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My favourite thing about him is how he comes across as such a likeable lad.
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I was thinking when was the last time we produced someone who really went on with us, or even another team to become a really special player, or at least play at a high PL level. I couldn't think of many, if any.
Cahill?
Yes Cahill has done very well. I think he's become a good player, more so than a good defender. If Chelsea went out and tried to find a proper CB, Cahill and Luiz would both be out. Kimd of why Luiz is reinventing himself as a midfielder.
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I was thinking when was the last time we produced someone who really went on with us, or even another team to become a really special player, or at least play at a high PL level. I couldn't think of many, if any.
Cahill?
Yes Cahill has done very well. I think he's become a good player, more so than a good defender. If Chelsea went out and tried to find a proper CB, Cahill and Luiz would both be out. Kimd of why Luiz is reinventing himself as a midfielder.
A bit like Bale at Spurs, FSW has decided it it better to keep the defending part out of Luiz's game and let him play better going forward.
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My favourite thing about him is how he comes across as such a likeable lad.
I know I get stick for not liking this on match threads, but people were giving him pelters for his booking, saying f off, calling him a prick etc. He seems such a good kid that this kind of thing annoys me. He is playing half fit, giving all he has and is a real talent. To give him such a level of shite for a booking just seemed way ott to me today.
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Amazes me how many of his goal attempts are on target. He just seems to be that type of player that knows exactly where the goal is. Him and Benteke could be become frightening if we can sort the midfield out.
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I agree, the two strikers are showing if we're not getting humiliated then in tighter games they can score and get us some points.
Upfront is the less of my worries despite our poor goalscoring. Benteke I'm sure before the end of the season will hit another 5-6 spell when he'll bully the opposition and that will win us some games and Weimann will continue to chip in with goals.
Gabby while not offering much goal threat anymore is still a decent back up striker and again I'd expect him to pop up with a crucial goal or two in the run in.
Just leaves the Bent dilemma really.
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Quality goal today. Absolutely clinical.
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Quality goal today. Absolutely clinical.
I think he will be a star. Superb finisher and a heart of a lion.
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My favourite thing about him is how he comes across as such a likeable lad.
I know I get stick for not liking this on match threads, but people were giving him pelters for his booking, saying f off, calling him a prick etc. He seems such a good kid that this kind of thing annoys me. He is playing half fit, giving all he has and is a real talent. To give him such a level of shite for a booking just seemed way ott to me today.
The last four match threads have broadened my vocabulary nicely with superlatives and hyperbolic phrases.
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My favourite thing about him is how he comes across as such a likeable lad.
I know I get stick for not liking this on match threads, but people were giving him pelters for his booking, saying f off, calling him a prick etc. He seems such a good kid that this kind of thing annoys me. He is playing half fit, giving all he has and is a real talent. To give him such a level of shite for a booking just seemed way ott to me today.
I think people were annoyed because he lost his head a bit as he did in the game when the dodgy penalty was given against him, and we don't need silly bookings or sendings off. But I agree, he's a real talent and one of the few players in the team who look like they've got proper ability.
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I understand why he was getting stick, just the language I don't think I will ever agree with as it was vitriolic, then 60 seconds later he scores that goal. Bit more understanding when people lose their rag a bit.
It would be great to have a 2 really good ball players behind him and Weimann with Westwood and a real destroyer sitting. I know that is 3 new midfielders, but Delph, KEA, Ireland and Holman really are not good enough. Bannan is good enough as a squad player, and Westwood is a starter, but the other 3 positions.. hmmm.
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The match threads are the cyberspace equivalent of Mos Eisley.
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I thought it was harsh on Weimann too, but then a match thread isn't the place to go for considered, thoughtful response. I'd love to see a decent midfield behind Benteke and Weimann, we probably have the weakest midfield in the league. Delph and Albrighton were dismal today.
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Delph and Albrighton are dismal. Weimann looks real quality.
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I wish people would stop picking apart the match thread for nuggets to slag posters off for.
How many present at Swansea blurted out something like "For fucks sake Weimann you twat" when he kicked that ball away? Bloody loads I bet.
the match thread is the settee dwellers equivalent of being at the game, things are said that if they were said at a game they would be forgotten seconds later because no one is taping it!
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I quite liked the fact he had his little paddy, you could see from the goal celebration he was fired up. Just adds to my feeling that he has the attitude of a winner.
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The match threads are the cyberspace equivalent of Mos Eisley.
Full of decaying hippies? Oops sorry, thought you said Moseley.
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I wish people would stop picking apart the match thread for nuggets to slag posters off for.
How many present at Swansea blurted out something like "For fucks sake Weimann you twat" when he kicked that ball away? Bloody loads I bet.
the match thread is the settee dwellers equivalent of being at the game, things are said that if they were said at a game they would be forgotten seconds later because no one is taping it!
I agree. But there's a big difference between saying 'Weimann you tit' and the sort of mental breakdown you sometimes see people having.
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I quite liked the fact he had his little paddy, you could see from the goal celebration he was fired up. Just adds to my feeling that he has the attitude of a winner.
That's what I thought too. I actually said out loud "Weimann, ya dipstick" but I was actually thinking "at least the little bugger cares"!
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Weimann does have the attitude of a winner. He has improved so much that his credits far outweigh his debits. Physically able to look after himself, works like a trojan and seems to be forming a partnership with Benteke. Something positive to say about the team at last.
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Just seen his goal again. It looked a decent finish at the time but i was looking forward to seeing it again. I'd have left him out yesterday because he did'nt look fit against Wigan but this kid could score a few goals for us.
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Weimann and benteke are both decent strikers , if they stay fit we will do ok with them, we need better creativity in this window in the midfield area to provide more chances for the strikers.
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If we get more of the ball in the final 3rd and start making telling passes we have 2 20 a season strikers on our hands with Weimann and Benteke, I'm convinced of it.
Our average possession and pass completion in the final 3rd are not far off the worst in the league, which does nothing to help the strikers.
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Have you noticed how many of his goals r one touch finishes. whether they are from 2 yards or 20. Both goals against man u both against norwich and again yestersay.
That tells me he is a pretty natural and instinctive finisher.
His work rate is great i really want us to give him a pretty decent run in the side.
Plus i love the song ive been hearing in the pubs pre match recently
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Weimann and Benteke should be starting up front together every game.
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Agreed. They make a better partnership than Bent & Gabby. Although, we haven't seen much of Benteke & Bent, or Benteke & Gabby, or Gabby & Weimann.
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We do need a bit of width for the strikers to feed on.
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These two are what we have been after for years. It is almost as if we have picked them out of a lucky dip, although credit must go to those who helped them get where they are now.
We forecast the Weimann / Benteke show at Norwich during half time and got exactly what we predicted. With the back up to feed them ('they need service' yawn yawn) they will frighten the lives out of teams everywhere.
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I've long thought that Weimann was the real deal, and he and Benteke seem to have a prety good understanding already which is promising from two youngsters who haven't played togther much. They must look at the dross behind them and feel a bit pissed off though.
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I thought Delf looked like a natural finisher and in early games looked like he might make it. But, to a lesser extent then the Moore Bros, he didn't seem to have the mental attitude to push that on. Weimann currently does, whether he keeps it is another matter.
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We do need a bit of width for the strikers to feed on.
I think that's what we've really missed from Gabby, somebody that can go wide and hold the ball up. Add to that the runs he makes inside or the crosses from the left, despite not scoring many, he gives us something we're lacking up front. Too often over the last month or so, we see the ball come back far to quickly from our attacks. He also gives opposing defences something additional to worry about, creating more space for Benteke to do what he does best.
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I thought Delf looked like a natural finisher and in early games looked like he might make it. But, to a lesser extent then the Moore Bros, he didn't seem to have the mental attitude to push that on. Weimann currently does, whether he keeps it is another matter.
Wemann seems to have the right stuff.
The Moore's and Delf always seemed to have an attitude problem, you can almost imagine them kissing their teeth at their respective coaches.
Although in fairness, Luke is still at a Premier club (just).
I'll never forget Stefan's goal against Charlton after making a mug of Richard Rufus.
I really thought he would go on to greater things.
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We do need a bit of width for the strikers to feed on.
I think that's what we've really missed from Gabby, somebody that can go wide and hold the ball up. Add to that the runs he makes inside or the crosses from the left, despite not scoring many, he gives us something we're lacking up front. Too often over the last month or so, we see the ball come back far to quickly from our attacks. He also gives opposing defences something additional to worry about, creating more space for Benteke to do what he does best.
This is exactly why I think Scott Sinclair would be a great loan signing.
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One of the few bright sparks this season. Though his all round play is a bit sloppy he certainly knows where the goal is. We could have a fantastic partnership up front with Benteke. We need to get some width though, but first let's sort out the defence.
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We do need a bit of width for the strikers to feed on.
I think that's what we've really missed from Gabby, somebody that can go wide and hold the ball up. Add to that the runs he makes inside or the crosses from the left, despite not scoring many, he gives us something we're lacking up front. Too often over the last month or so, we see the ball come back far to quickly from our attacks. He also gives opposing defences something additional to worry about, creating more space for Benteke to do what he does best.
I agree with this. When is GA due back?
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Though his all round play is a bit sloppy
Is it? He's no Maradonna but he's fairly tidy in his movement and distribution.
His real job is to get onto the final balls and slot them away though. Something he excels at.
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We do need a bit of width for the strikers to feed on.
I think that's what we've really missed from Gabby, somebody that can go wide and hold the ball up. Add to that the runs he makes inside or the crosses from the left, despite not scoring many, he gives us something we're lacking up front. Too often over the last month or so, we see the ball come back far to quickly from our attacks. He also gives opposing defences something additional to worry about, creating more space for Benteke to do what he does best.
I agree with this. When is GA due back?
January 12th according to PhysioRoom.com
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Any news on the return of Blancmange Ron?
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Though his all round play is a bit sloppy
Is it? He's no Maradonna but he's fairly tidy in his movement and distribution.
His real job is to get onto the final balls and slot them away though. Something he excels at.
He most certainly does. I must admit he's really surprised me, from the youth and reserve team games I've seen, I never really thought he'd make the step up, especially after his injury. So many things to admire about the lad and his finishing is right up their with his attitude.
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Any news on the return of Blancmange Ron?
'no return date' from the same source, which tells me that nobody really knows anything about his injury.
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Though his all round play is a bit sloppy
Is it? He's no Maradonna but he's fairly tidy in his movement and distribution.
His real job is to get onto the final balls and slot them away though. Something he excels at.
His movement is good but, at times, his touch lets him down as does his decision making. Of course he can improve that and he's certainly got the knack in front of goal but, as ever with youngsters, it's how he progresses after the initial impact. As defenders sus him out will he add other facets to his game like Gabby has, or will he struggle and to look like a one trick pony like Albrighton? I'm optimistic but we shouldn't be pinning all our hopes on him just yet.
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Very good
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Though his all round play is a bit sloppy
Is it? He's no Maradonna but he's fairly tidy in his movement and distribution.
His real job is to get onto the final balls and slot them away though. Something he excels at.
His movement is good but, at times, his touch lets him down as does his decision making. Of course he can improve that and he's certainly got the knack in front of goal but, as ever with youngsters, it's how he progresses after the initial impact. As defenders sus him out will he add other facets to his game like Gabby has, or will he struggle and to look like a one trick pony like Albrighton? I'm optimistic but we shouldn't be pinning all our hopes on him just yet.
I think if one player has been sussed out it's Gabby to be honest. His scoring record for the last three years has been positively Heskey-esque. And Albrighton's one trick appears to be conning people into thinking that he's still a footballer. I haven't seen such early promise fizzle out so quickly since Stefan Moore.
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Though his all round play is a bit sloppy
Is it? He's no Maradonna but he's fairly tidy in his movement and distribution.
His real job is to get onto the final balls and slot them away though. Something he excels at.
His movement is good but, at times, his touch lets him down as does his decision making. Of course he can improve that and he's certainly got the knack in front of goal but, as ever with youngsters, it's how he progresses after the initial impact. As defenders sus him out will he add other facets to his game like Gabby has, or will he struggle and to look like a one trick pony like Albrighton? I'm optimistic but we shouldn't be pinning all our hopes on him just yet.
I think if one player has been sussed out it's Gabby to be honest. His scoring record for the last three years has been positively Heskey-esque. And Albrighton's one trick appears to be conning people into thinking that he's still a footballer. I haven't seen such early promise fizzle out so quickly since Stefan Moore.
The point is with Gabby is he's learnt to play for the team, his work rate, running and stretching of defences creates space for others to exploit. He's played out wide a lot so gets fewer goal scoring chances but we're a better and more effective team when he's in it.
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Weimann's real strength is that he shoots early and hits the target.
Take his last goal for example, it was only half a yard to the side of the keeper, but he connected clean and hit it early so Vorm just never got himself set.
It's a real talent and will serve him well.
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Though his all round play is a bit sloppy
Is it? He's no Maradonna but he's fairly tidy in his movement and distribution.
His real job is to get onto the final balls and slot them away though. Something he excels at.
His movement is good but, at times, his touch lets him down as does his decision making. Of course he can improve that and he's certainly got the knack in front of goal but, as ever with youngsters, it's how he progresses after the initial impact. As defenders sus him out will he add other facets to his game like Gabby has, or will he struggle and to look like a one trick pony like Albrighton? I'm optimistic but we shouldn't be pinning all our hopes on him just yet.
I think if one player has been sussed out it's Gabby to be honest. His scoring record for the last three years has been positively Heskey-esque. And Albrighton's one trick appears to be conning people into thinking that he's still a footballer. I haven't seen such early promise fizzle out so quickly since Stefan Moore.
The point is with Gabby is he's learnt to play for the team, his work rate, running and stretching of defences creates space for others to exploit. He's played out wide a lot so gets fewer goal scoring chances but we're a better and more effective team when he's in it.
we are a better defensive side with Gabby in the line up because the opposition cannot push up as high. Also he works his bollocks off which always seems to be ignored because as a striker his goal record as become rather poor. It's hard to place Gabby to be honest. He's not a great out and out forward, he's not a winger or instinctive enough to play off a main striker. And he's not really suited to being a midfielder because his passing isn't good enough. He'd be a great player to bring off the bench in the 70th minute but given his age he won't want that. He still is lightning quick, but it's no longer the reliable threat it once was because of his injuries. But having him there while not really always markedly improving our attacking play does make us a more resolute team.
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I thought Delf looked like a natural finisher and in early games looked like he might make it. But, to a lesser extent then the Moore Bros, he didn't seem to have the mental attitude to push that on. Weimann currently does, whether he keeps it is another matter.
Yeah I agree with that.
Tbh this time last year I still thought the Fonz was better than Weimann. When we won 3-2 at Wolves, Weimann came on for the last 10 minutes and fcuked up two break away chances, one when he was wide on the left, Bent was completely unmarked in the box and just needed a simple cross and Weimann hit it straight at Hennessey and another when he hit a decent chance into Row Q of the South bank.
It's clear the crucial goal against Fulham has given him a lot of confidence and he's improved further this season.
What I like is that unlike a lot of forwards we've had in the last 5 years, he can actually drop off the front line and link up with the midfield so could become a Robbie Keane type striker in time.
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He's an excellent prospect and a fine finisher. He just needs to work on his composure when it comes to link up play and he'll be great.
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Weimann's real strength is that he shoots early and hits the target.
Take his last goal for example, it was only half a yard to the side of the keeper, but he connected clean and hit it early so Vorm just never got himself set.
It's a real talent and will serve him well.
Indeed. That ability was what made Shearer such an effective Premier League striker. Whenever he got the ball within a reasonable distance you'd fancy him to get a one-touch shot off, on target. Weimann may not hit those heights, but even 2/3 of the way would make him an excellent striker for us, and he seems to have the natural ability. His link up play isn't any worse than Bent's, in any case.
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Agree, that's who he reminds me of for it, shearer was also excellent in the air though which isn't a strength for Andi. the good thing is it doesn't appear to be something that's been trained into him, it's a natural ability that he's developed, which should mean he can adapt once defenders start getting wise to him. That said it's one of those things that will always be hard to defend, even if you know to expect it. he only need half a yard within 20 yards of goal and I'd back him to get a shot away
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Of all our much hyped youngsters, I think he is the one who will go on to being a genuine star.
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Benteke-Weimann is a seriously good combination in the making.
Just wish we had a decent midifield to give them the ball on a more regular basis.
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Agree, that's who he reminds me of for it, shearer was also excellent in the air though which isn't a strength for Andi. the good thing is it doesn't appear to be something that's been trained into him, it's a natural ability that he's developed, which should mean he can adapt once defenders start getting wise to him. That said it's one of those things that will always be hard to defend, even if you know to expect it. he only need half a yard within 20 yards of goal and I'd back him to get a shot away
Fecking typical, if he was going to score this weekend as soon as I typed the bold bit I knew it'd be a header.
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Bugger, I was just about to remind you of that! ;) Could you say something about him not scoring many hat tricks in cup semi finals?!
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Bugger, I was just about to remind you of that! ;) Could you say something about him not scoring many hat tricks in cup semi finals?!
Well he's certainly not shown an ability to score hat tricks in cup semi-finals in his career so far so it's probably fair to say that it's something he could be considered weak at... :D
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as soon as he came on our chances of scoring rose 100% His goal was reminiscent of David Platt, you'd back him to score in most games , if we can improve the creative side of our midfleld we do have the potential to score in a variety of situations.
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He will prove you right. He will gat four.
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his biggest asset is that he attacks the penalty area, he runs at pace into areas that he can score from,
he does lack technique (touch and balance) but he has better technique than Bent.
Lets hope he keeps improving, his eye for a goal is a fantastic attribute.
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his biggest asset is that he attacks the penalty area, he runs at pace into areas that he can score from,
he does lack technique (touch and balance) but he has better technique than Bent.
Lets hope he keeps improving, his eye for a goal is a fantastic attribute.
Despite a lack of technique at times, which you could level at Shearer, like Al, Andi's technique at striking the ball is first rate. More often than not he makes a really solid and controlled connection with the ball and gets it on target, or very close. If not for a few top saves, narrow misses and woodwork, he could have hit double figures this season despite not always being a regular, or playing through the middle.
He's doing very well indeed.
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That was a proper header to win the game today. Feckin' brilliant.
Love his exuberant celebrations and his manner in interviews - always respectful and smiling. Seems delighted just to be playing. Rapidly becoming all our favourite player I'd say. And I used to be a bit peeved at the adulation he was getting 6-9 months ago when I'd always held the Fonz in higher regard.
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7 goals in 19 games in all comps. Pretty impressive. The more he plays too, the more he's getting the chances and putting them away. If he stays in the side, I think he could have 15 or so by the end of the season.
Was good to see Bent and Gabby play too. Gab has plenty to offer. Bent will have more suitors if he's playing and proving his fitness, or at the very least if he stays, he offers another option.
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He's starting to look really dangerous, even when he's not in the game too much. I think that's 7 goals in his last 9 starts / 1 sub appearance?
I think the slightly tricky thing with Weimann is where to play him. He presumably can't play up front by himself. He could partner Benteke, but that only works in certain formations (not a straight 442 for me, there's a reason practically no-one plays that at the moment). He can drop off the main forward or play wider in a 4231, but neither are his ideal position and mean we do lose a bit of creativity in those positions. But for the moment I'd have him right in a 4231. Then Nzogbia, Holman and Gabby competing for the other two positions. And Bent benched I suppose.
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Must admit i didn't rate him at all before this season, but i've been forced to change my mind through mounting evidence. Not so much impressed by his finishing more his all round play and attitude. Hopefully he won't go through a heartbreaking dip in form like Albrighton because i'd say he's been the major plus this season
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He has a ferocious shot on him. He murdered the up-right at Swindon, but his goal last term against Stoke was a sublime bending shot.
He knows where the back of the net is and I think his bustling, bust style and pace makes him an ideal partner.
We have four excellent forwards, with Andi and Gabby having some versatility. As SHQ said, if we could put a midfield behind them then we would outscore folks on a regular basis.
Does he have a Brummie accent yet?
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Sitting in the Lower North yesterday, i did'nt appreciate what a good header it was until i saw it on the tellybox. He's looking good at the moment.
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This is the best strikeforce we've had in years. just need a midfield to provide for it
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This is the best strikeforce we've had in years. just need a midfield to provide for it
Very much this.
Benteke, Weimann, Gabby AND Bent. Also including Bowery who looks like he could have a bright future too.
We most definitely need to concentrate on midfield and defence.
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Weiman has quietly plugged away no fuss for the last 18 months. He has grown in confidence and has been rewarded with international recognition from his country (Austria) Bent said a while ago he was the most natural goal finisher he had seen since Dean Ashton. He fits PL philosophy and he is the most promising of the youngsters who will become a regular first teamer. It really is about what PL does in midfield (and probably a CB) this window that will define our season ......
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Must admit i didn't rate him at all before this season, but i've been forced to change my mind through mounting evidence. Not so much impressed by his finishing more his all round play and attitude. Hopefully he won't go through a heartbreaking dip in form like Albrighton because i'd say he's been the major plus this season
Not impressed by his finishing? What are you watching Greg? That's one of his best qualities.
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Weimann is a terrific prospect. We are in the fortunate position of having Weimann, Bent and Benteke all capable goalscorers. With injuries and rotation we should be able to accomodate them all. Get a couple of capable providers in midfield and we'll be flying up the table.
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Must admit i didn't rate him at all before this season, but i've been forced to change my mind through mounting evidence. Not so much impressed by his finishing more his all round play and attitude. Hopefully he won't go through a heartbreaking dip in form like Albrighton because i'd say he's been the major plus this season
Not impressed by his finishing? What are you watching Greg? That's one of his best qualities.
Not to put words in his mouth, but what I assume he meant is that as impressive as Weimann's finishing is his all round play and attitude is even more so.
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Must admit i didn't rate him at all before this season, but i've been forced to change my mind through mounting evidence. Not so much impressed by his finishing more his all round play and attitude. Hopefully he won't go through a heartbreaking dip in form like Albrighton because i'd say he's been the major plus this season
Not impressed by his finishing? What are you watching Greg? That's one of his best qualities.
Not to put words in his mouth, but what I assume he meant is that as impressive as Weimann's finishing is his all round play and attitude is even more so.
One would hope so hilts because your assessment is correct
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His progression comes with experience and playing more games. He's always seemed to be a natural finisher,plus his good movement was another quality,but he seemed to have grown a lot this season,far quicker than i expected.
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Must admit i didn't rate him at all before this season, but i've been forced to change my mind through mounting evidence. Not so much impressed by his finishing more his all round play and attitude. Hopefully he won't go through a heartbreaking dip in form like Albrighton because i'd say he's been the major plus this season
Not impressed by his finishing? What are you watching Greg? That's one of his best qualities.
You beat me to it TV. His overall play is great, but his finishing is top-class; intuitive.
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Must admit i didn't rate him at all before this season, but i've been forced to change my mind through mounting evidence. Not so much impressed by his finishing more his all round play and attitude. Hopefully he won't go through a heartbreaking dip in form like Albrighton because i'd say he's been the major plus this season
Not impressed by his finishing? What are you watching Greg? That's one of his best qualities.
You beat me to it TV. His overall play is great, but his finishing is top-class; intuitive.
I keep saying this, but there aren't many players who can instinctively finish with a single touch as well as he does.
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Is the 'just can't get enough' song a rip off of Liverpool's Suarez song?
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Must admit i didn't rate him at all before this season, but i've been forced to change my mind through mounting evidence. Not so much impressed by his finishing more his all round play and attitude. Hopefully he won't go through a heartbreaking dip in form like Albrighton because i'd say he's been the major plus this season
Not impressed by his finishing? What are you watching Greg? That's one of his best qualities.
Not to put words in his mouth, but what I assume he meant is that as impressive as Weimann's finishing is his all round play and attitude is even more so.
exactly what i meant Hilts. He's a great finisher granted but to be a top player you need a bit more than that.
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He's starting to look really dangerous, even when he's not in the game too much. I think that's 7 goals in his last 9 starts / 1 sub appearance
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I think you play a 4231 but the 3 are very flexible. moving from left to right, back into midfield and ahead of Benteke.
the flexibility will make them very hard to mark whilst also keeping them all happy as they all get to play the rock n roll position.
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Andi was holding his groin before he scored on saturday and also a lot afterwards. I would expect the pitch to be quite heavy tomorrow night, there is rain forecast, so would not be surprised to see him left out of the squad to rest him for saturday. That would still leave us with three main strikers plus Bowery, which is the main reason for having a squad so that players do not have to play with injuries which would only get worse. Best to leave him out for one match than play him and lose him for a few.
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Is the 'just can't get enough' song a rip off of Liverpool's Suarez song?
After his finish on Saturday I think a reprise of the "Andy Lochhead in the air!" song is well in order.
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Is the 'just can't get enough' song a rip off of Liverpool's Suarez song?
After his finish on Saturday I think a reprise of the "Andy Lochhead in the air!" song is well in order.
Think I'd prefer an airing of the old Andy Gray song .... Oh oh oh Andy your the greatest etc.... lol
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I like the idea of the Andy Gray song coming back.
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Jesus H Christ. I pressed the wrong page button and the first post was talking about Weimann being stretchered off and hopefully ligaments rather than a break! It was the first page.
*and relaxes*
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If he continues to improve at his current rate, he could save us 10-15m. I think he is far better than Gabby at that age.
Also remember he is a foreigner , than will satisify all those championship manager fans who quote player's from abroad no one heard off
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Andi was holding his groin before he scored on saturday and also a lot afterwards.
That's just his compulsive Michael Jackson impression. He can't help it.
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If he continues to improve at his current rate, he could save us 10-15m. I think he is far better than Gabby at that age.
Also remember he is a foreigner , than will satisify all those championship manager fans who quote player's from abroad no one heard off
Not everyone who knows the names of players from abroad gets them from championship manager, some of us live in those countries or watch their football, for example I've mentioned Forren as an excellent prospect because I've seen Molde play a fair few times and he really is their standout player (Wolff Eikram gets the plaudits but he'd be no better than an average attacking midfielder in a decent league, isn't quick enough or clever enough to be the impact he is at a higher level, in my opinion).
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I like the idea of the Andy Gray song coming back.
You got no chance, the song has words in it
now if you can just use de de de de de or na na na na na thats different.
Songs for our players these days are pretty shit
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that celebration has to go. It's shit. There, I said it. If are going to get used him scoring 20 odd times a season he has to come up with something else. Maybe we can recruit someone from Brazil in the summer and if nothing else help with a new jig. All other aspects of his game are progressing at a solid pace.
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that celebration has to go. It's shit.
That's Villa fans all over. One bad goal celebration and you want rid. How about giving the goal celebration time to develop, it's only young.
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I really like the celebration! Looks badass and shows he has confidence in himself.
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If he's scoring goals he can spaff off into the stand after each one for all I care.
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that celebration has to go. It's shit. There, I said it. If are going to get used him scoring 20 odd times a season he has to come up with something else. Maybe we can recruit someone from Brazil in the summer and if nothing else help with a new jig. All other aspects of his game are progressing at a solid pace.
I reckon it's something about Call of Duty, he tweets about it a fair bit.
I quite like it, it has a certain teutonicity to it which seems right.
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that celebration has to go. It's shit. There, I said it. If are going to get used him scoring 20 odd times a season he has to come up with something else. Maybe we can recruit someone from Brazil in the summer and if nothing else help with a new jig. All other aspects of his game are progressing at a solid pace.
Let me just say that nothing in the observable universe is as utterly naff and shit as two or three men trying to do a little dance together by a corner flag.
I'm not really sure what Weimanns celebration is all about. I think it's the Elf bowman from Hawk the Slayer maybe, but it's better than poorly executed samba dancing and I hope to see it as many times as possible.
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Hey, at least it's not like Shearer's celebration :D.
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that celebration has to go. It's shit. There, I said it. If are going to get used him scoring 20 odd times a season he has to come up with something else. Maybe we can recruit someone from Brazil in the summer and if nothing else help with a new jig. All other aspects of his game are progressing at a solid pace.
Let me just say that nothing in the observable universe is as utterly naff and shit as two or three men trying to do a little dance together by a corner flag.
I'm not really sure what Weimanns celebration is all about. I think it's the Elf bowman from Hawk the Slayer maybe, but it's better than poorly executed samba dancing and I hope to see it as many times as possible.
I want nothing to do with grown men rocking babies either. That's utterly hideous. Nor do I want one of our top strikers being called an elf or remotely referred to any other JR Tolkien character. I don't want any wanker wrist kissing or fucking stupid thing Luca Toni or Michu does when they score. However it is fixed, it needs to be if we are to endure 20 league goals a season for the next number of years. A simple slide into the corner will suffice. I'll even take a Gabbyesque, thumbs pointing to the back of his jersey "read my name" or ear cupped to the crowd during our title run next season. But shooting finger arrows into the sky. It just has to stop.
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Actually, if you follow any of our younger players on Twitter, you quickly realise that all they ever do is go to Costa, to Nandos and play FIFA 13 or Call of Duty.
We should probably be grateful they're not fashioning goal celebrations out of ordering a grande latte, or trying to pick someone off at 50 yards with a sniper rifle.
Mind you, to be fair, it's not as if we actually get the chance to see many goal celebrations these days.
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I long for the day when the main topic on here is the lack of artistic performance celebrating goals. Wouldn't it be wonderful to be sick to death of Weimann's jig.
"Our 4 - 0 win at Old Trafford was completely ruined by Weimann and his ridiculous antics after he got his 3rd".
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Actually, if you follow any of our younger players on Twitter, you quickly realise that all they ever do is go to Costa, to Nandos and play FIFA 13 or Call of Duty.
We should probably be grateful they're not fashioning goal celebrations out of ordering a grande latte, or trying to pick someone off at 50 yards with a sniper rifle.
Mind you, to be fair, it's not as if we actually get the chance to see many goal celebrations these days.
Not sure the latte celebration would work. It would have to involve at least a couple of players to pull off. One serving, with the scorer waiting for his coffee, tapping his feet for ages while the line of other players behind him grows. He'd then finally get served only to turned around a get a yellow card for time wasting.
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I long for the day when the main topic on here is the lack of artistic performance celebrating goals. Wouldn't it be wonderful to be sick to death of Weimann's jig.
"Our 4 - 0 win at Old Trafford was completely ruined by Weimann and his ridiculous antics after he got his 3rd".
Listen it's better to nip these things in the bud, and not need to have a match thread go on for ten extra pages over a naff goal celebration
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Weimann's celebration is a cross between Lampard's vomit-inducing pointing at the sky, and Robbie Keane's sort of six-shooter Wild West gunslinger action. It certainly beats Emile Heskey's pretend DJ mixing deck effort, although that was seen so infrequently I'm amazed I even remember it.
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"Our 4 - 0 win at Old Trafford was completely ruined by Weimann and his ridiculous antics after he got his 3rd".
`I'm not going to VP again if I'm going to have to sit through six or seven contrived goal celebrations in every game.
`It's bad enough having to shout `ole' thirty-five times in the build-up to each goal'
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If he's scoring goals he can spaff off into the stand after each one for all I care.
You would say that, you're in France.
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I wonder what Lawro's goal celebration would be like if he was playing today? Maybe a 'i'm a little teapot' type effort me thinks.
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Actually, if you follow any of our younger players on Twitter, you quickly realise that all they ever do is go to Costa, to Nandos and play FIFA 13 or Call of Duty.
We should probably be grateful they're not fashioning goal celebrations out of ordering a grande latte, or trying to pick someone off at 50 yards with a sniper rifle.
Mind you, to be fair, it's not as if we actually get the chance to see many goal celebrations these days.
Not sure the latte celebration would work. It would have to involve at least a couple of players to pull off. One serving, with the scorer waiting for his coffee, tapping his feet for ages while the line of other players behind him grows. He'd then finally get served only to turned around a get a yellow card for time wasting.
The Costas one would be better than the Starbucks latte celebration, as that would involve the scorer being asked for his name for the invisible cup.
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Love his celebration, it's ace.
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Actually, if you follow any of our younger players on Twitter, you quickly realise that all they ever do is go to Costa, to Nandos and play FIFA 13 or Call of Duty.
We should probably be grateful they're not fashioning goal celebrations out of ordering a grande latte, or trying to pick someone off at 50 yards with a sniper rifle.
Mind you, to be fair, it's not as if we actually get the chance to see many goal celebrations these days.
Not sure the latte celebration would work. It would have to involve at least a couple of players to pull off. One serving, with the scorer waiting for his coffee, tapping his feet for ages while the line of other players behind him grows. He'd then finally get served only to turned around a get a yellow card for time wasting.
The Costas one would be better than the Starbucks latte celebration, as that would involve the scorer being asked for his name for the invisible cup.
Or the Caffe Nero one, where the scorer pats his pockets, trying to find his loyalty card
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It would have to involve at least a couple of players to pull off.
Bloody hell, you'll be suggesting a reach-around next.
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Weimann's celebration is a cross between Lampard's vomit-inducing pointing at the sky, and Robbie Keane's sort of six-shooter Wild West gunslinger action. It certainly beats Emile Heskey's pretend DJ mixing deck effort, although that was seen so infrequently I'm amazed I even remember it.
The only goal celebration I remember from Heskey was that one when England won 5-1 in Germany, and he did a cricketing thing. Or was it golf?
There are two reasons why I don't recall his celebrations for us. One is that there were so few of them, the other is that, when he did score, I was invariably undergoing a period of shaking uncontrollably, as my body went into shock at said goal events.
I don't mind Lampard's one. I guess he's pointing at his mom in heaven. We all love our moms (unless you're Tony Soprano) so he can't really be blamed for missing her.
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I hate the joint celebration ones where about 6 or 7 team mates stand in line and swing their arms in unison. It's all very silly.
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It would have to involve at least a couple of players to pull off.
Bloody hell, you'll be suggesting a reach-around next.
Very appropriate if it is the goal celebrating yet another title or...er...two consecutive league wins
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Actually, if you follow any of our younger players on Twitter, you quickly realise that all they ever do is go to Costa, to Nandos and play FIFA 13 or Call of Duty.
We should probably be grateful they're not fashioning goal celebrations out of ordering a grande latte, or trying to pick someone off at 50 yards with a sniper rifle.
Mind you, to be fair, it's not as if we actually get the chance to see many goal celebrations these days.
Not sure the latte celebration would work. It would have to involve at least a couple of players to pull off. One serving, with the scorer waiting for his coffee, tapping his feet for ages while the line of other players behind him grows. He'd then finally get served only to turned around a get a yellow card for time wasting.
The Costas one would be better than the Starbucks latte celebration, as that would involve the scorer being asked for his name for the invisible cup.
fucking Costas. Can't make a regular, everyday cup of coffee if their lives depended on it. I asked for a bit of cream in my coffee and one sugar. I didn't ask for a pint of churned cow and tooth decay
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I hate the joint celebration ones where about 6 or 7 team mates stand in line and swing their arms in unison. It's all very silly.
It has nothing to do with the arrival of newly born children either.
It's actually the amount of win bonus which is said to be paid in cash.
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I wonder what Lawro's goal celebration would be like if he was playing today? Maybe a 'i'm a little teapot' type effort me thinks.
He'd do a number in a sparkly evening dress and jump into the arms of 4 men in top hat and tails.
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I wonder what Lawro's goal celebration would be like if he was playing today? Maybe a 'i'm a little teapot' type effort me thinks.
He'd do a number in a sparkly evening dress and jump into the arms of 4 men in top hat and tails.
With Madonna's 'Hanky Panky' blaring over the tannoy.
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I don't mind Lampard's one. I guess he's pointing at his mom in heaven. We all love our moms (unless you're Tony Soprano) so he can't really be blamed for missing her.
More likely reminding the big man that he wants a place saving ahead of his teammate.
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Robbie Fowler's 'line' was a good one....
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I hate the joint celebration ones where about 6 or 7 team mates stand in line and swing their arms in unison. It's all very silly.
Don't even pretend to hate it.
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It's a good one.
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Jimmy Bullard did a funny one when he scored at Man City for Hull and he took the piss out of Phil Brown when he made the players sit in the penalty area at half time to get a bollocking.
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Weimann's celebration is a cross between Lampard's vomit-inducing pointing at the sky, and Robbie Keane's sort of six-shooter Wild West gunslinger action. It certainly beats Emile Heskey's pretend DJ mixing deck effort, although that was seen so infrequently I'm amazed I even remember it.
The only goal celebration I remember from Heskey was that one when England won 5-1 in Germany, and he did a cricketing thing. Or was it golf?
There are two reasons why I don't recall his celebrations for us. One is that there were so few of them, the other is that, when he did score, I was invariably undergoing a period of shaking uncontrollably, as my body went into shock at said goal events.
I don't mind Lampard's one. I guess he's pointing at his mom in heaven. We all love our moms (unless you're Tony Soprano) so he can't really be blamed for missing her.
I'm sure that was when he did his pretend hold his headphones against his ear while pretending to spin a disc one.
edit: seems we were both right:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/3020762/Scoring-is-like-music-to-Heskeys-ears.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/3020762/Scoring-is-like-music-to-Heskeys-ears.html)
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Anyone remember that Paul Mortimer one, where he bagged at the Holte, ran over but didn't quite know what to do haha
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Actually, if you follow any of our younger players on Twitter, you quickly realise that all they ever do is go to Costa, to Nandos and play FIFA 13 or Call of Duty.
Chris Herd has been getting a fair amount of abuse on his page, out of order really but it's a public site.
Have you seen his missus? Wow. Just wow.
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Actually, if you follow any of our younger players on Twitter, you quickly realise that all they ever do is go to Costa, to Nandos and play FIFA 13 or Call of Duty.
Chris Herd has been getting a fair amount of abuse on his page, out of order really but it's a public site.
Have you seen his missus? Wow. Just wow.
Multi million pound footballer has good looking missus - thats a surprise !
Some of our players over the years have had faces like welders benches but some of the birds have been incredible - cannot for the life of me see what would have attracted them
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Why is Herd getting abuse?
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Why is Herd getting abuse?
Well he keeps getting it because he's always rising to it and trying to abuse people back, which must be the biggest mistake a famous person can make on twitter
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I can't understand why a professional footballer would want to post on twitter.
What can they gain from it beyond increasing their celebrity status?
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One thing I've noticed with Weimann over the last couple of games is that he seems to become a better player when he's angry. I suggest we employ someone to tell him his puppy has been kidnapped by Clarke before the start of the west brom game.
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One thing I've noticed with Weimann over the last couple of games is that he seems to become a better player when he's angry. I suggest we employ someone to tell him his puppy has been kidnapped by Clarke before the start of the west brom game.
Yeah noticed that too! Thankfully he looks like a player fighting for his club not just earning a wage.
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Is there a good song for Weimann yet? I haven't heard anything at the last few games I've been to and would be amazing to let him feel the full force of Villa Park tonight!
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Is there a good song for Weimann yet? I haven't heard anything at the last few games I've been to and would be amazing to let him feel the full force of Villa Park tonight!
Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du Du
With Andi Weimann inserted in there somewhere!
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What about Human by The Human League?
"He's Andi Weimann.
.... dur dur dur, duh duhuhhhhhh."
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To the tune of Delilah by Tom Jones
Wei Wei Weiiii Oh Weimann
Wei Wei Weiiiiii Oh Weimann
Give him the ball and he'll certainly score
Not just the one, but two or three more
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I am puzzled.
Why do the national press bang on about Benteke week in week out. When Weiman is more consistent and is banging in the goals.
Don't get me wrong, it's better he stays under the radar. I know one things for sure I would be looking to tie this chap up with a new contract. He is the only player we have that I think could get into a top 4 squad.
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Weimann is a class act, saw something in him when he bagged a brace v Walsall pre season about 4 years ago.
He should be alongside Benteke and should take Bents number 9 when he's eventually pushed out the door.
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Benteke - 9. Weimann - 10.
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Weimann is class and he'll be off if/when we go down.
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One thing I've noticed with Weimann over the last couple of games is that he seems to become a better player when he's angry. I suggest we employ someone to tell him his puppy has been kidnapped by Clarke before the start of the west brom game.
I agree, and the reason he gets angry is because he's the only player in the squad for me that displays a true winning mentality.
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I am puzzled.
Why do the national press bang on about Benteke week in week out. When Weiman is more consistent and is banging in the goals.
Don't get me wrong, it's better he stays under the radar. I know one things for sure I would be looking to tie this chap up with a new contract. He is the only player we have that I think could get into a top 4 squad.
I don't think he's there yet as he still has quiet/poor games like vs Southampton but a very good striker in the making.
Sure I read that his contract is up in 2014? Bit dangerous if we haven' even offered him a new long term deal.
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Some positive news.
Villa open Weimann talks (http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west-london-sport/world-uk-sport/2013/01/26/villa-open-weimann-talks-116451-32683853/)
Aston Villa have held initial discussions with striker Andreas Weimann over a new contract, Press Association Sport understands.
Weimann has 18 months left of his current deal and Villa are hoping to secure the long-term future of the Austria international.
The 21-year-old broke into the first team last season and scored a vital injury-time winner against Fulham as the midlands club stayed up by only two points, but it is during the current campaign that he has made a sustained impact and is their second top scorer with nine goals.
Weimann has formed a productive partnership with 11-goal Christian Benteke and the duo have kept record signing Darren Bent out of the side for lengthy periods.
Weimann's form has been one of the few highlights in a dismal season in which Villa are involved in another relegation fight and suffered a double cup exit to lower-league Bradford and Millwall.
His tally includes a double in the 3-2 defeat against Manchester United and another in the 3-1 win at Liverpool.
Villa boss Paul Lambert recently described Weimann as a "natural finisher".
He said: "The way Andreas conducts himself on the pitch and in training is excellent. He has been really on top of his game and taken his chance in the first team."
Weimann joined Villa as a 16-year-old from Rapid Vienna and had two spells on loan at Watford before before signing a new three-year deal with his parent club in August 2011.
He won his first senior cap for his country against Kazakhstan in October.
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Would you sign a long term deal now?
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I think we all know that Big Chris has attracted enough media attention to ensure he'll get a decent transfer should we go down. If you look at all successful championship teams they have a guy that shits goals - Andi Weimann will be ours next season. We've been lucky in that he's fallen under the radar up to now but look at his goals he's a natural finisher a rare commodity, do not let him leave!
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Would you sign a long term deal now?
Cant see anything happening until we know what division we are going to be in .
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I am puzzled.
Why do the national press bang on about Benteke week in week out. When Weiman is more consistent and is banging in the goals.
Don't get me wrong, it's better he stays under the radar. I know one things for sure I would be looking to tie this chap up with a new contract. He is the only player we have that I think could get into a top 4 squad.
Top 4? Fuck me, if he's top 4 then we should be winning the league by now with the players we've got.
I'd have Benteke & Bent ahead if him.
I like him, he gives it his all and scores a few goals, but his all round game is standard for where we are.
His other contribution in the Bradford game was to blast the ball miles over the bar when looking to put in a cross under very little pressure.
I'd think he'd do well in the Championship though and would help us no end.
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I am puzzled.
Why do the national press bang on about Benteke week in week out. When Weiman is more consistent and is banging in the goals.
Don't get me wrong, it's better he stays under the radar. I know one things for sure I would be looking to tie this chap up with a new contract. He is the only player we have that I think could get into a top 4 squad.
Top 4? Fuck me, if he's top 4 then we should be winning the league by now with the players we've got.
I'd have Benteke & Bent ahead if him.
I like him, he gives it his all and scores a few goals, but his all round game is standard for where we are.
His other contribution in the Bradford game was to blast the ball miles over the bar when looking to put in a cross under very little pressure.
I'd think he'd do well in the Championship though and would help us no end.
Be interesting to see how this one pans out. I don't think a top team would interested in Bent as he doesn't contribute enough to the team, that's why his highest level was on the bench at tottingham.
If given the choice of flogging Bent or Weiman, Bent makes far more sense really. Due to his likely transfer fee, age and overall lack of teamwork-effort.
Benteke v Weiman, this is very close I couldn't rate one over the other at this stage. Probably our ideal strike force at the moment.
Ideally we keep them all, but alas a team like Villa wouldn't be able to hold onto them. I fear the younger ones on lower salaries will go, leaving us with Bent on his mega salary.
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Would you sign a long term deal now?
I would, I'd get my pay rise and my signing on fee.
In the event of any relegation, the club will be in no position to keep any players
who attract interest and can raise a decent fee anyway.
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I am puzzled.
Why do the national press bang on about Benteke week in week out. When Weiman is more consistent and is banging in the goals.
Benteke, 20 games, 7 goals, 4 assists
Weimann, 15 games, 4 goals, 0 assists.
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Only a true Villan would want to commit to the club in it's current state. Could be on his way to gaining legend status if he stays next season.
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There aint many pluses to come out of this season so far but Weimann is definitely one of them.
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Player of the season would be interesting this season. May be Guzan?
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Player of the season would be interesting this season. May be Guzan?
Alan Hutton.
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Needs to play up front with a strike partner (one who can hold the ball up so he can make runs off him) to get the best out of him. He doesn't look the same player when he is out wide.
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Player of the season would be interesting this season. May be Guzan?
Alan Hutton.
Hutton for me too. Much improved on last season. Can't recall him making one mistake or getting one red card thus far.
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Played well again, got his shots on target, very unlucky with the low shot as that was a brilliant save from Krul.
Apparently there is disrepancy between values from him and the club in the new contract offer. Get him on a 5 year deal ffs.
I feel he'd stay if we went down and he's likely to get 20 + goals against weaker defences in the championship so it's a no brainer to me.
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Yeah he was great when he came on. He's becoming a favourite of mine.
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I was sitting in the north stand tonight, and saw him get completely wiped out.
Nothing was given, no free kick, no yellow card.
Was it as bad/late as I thought, or just an honest 50/50 that he came off worse from?
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Weimann and Gabby together in the Championship would be enough to get us back up I reckon. Also, you would have the Fonz fresh from a season at that level and Bowery as backup.
Getting Weimann on a new, long term deal is vital.
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It's imperative we keep this lad. If we're going to come straight back up, he's the one that's going to get us the majority of the goals.
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I was sitting in the north stand tonight, and saw him get completely wiped out.
Nothing was given, no free kick, no yellow card.
Was it as bad/late as I thought, or just an honest 50/50 that he came off worse from?
He was taken twice by Perch. Once when he got his shot off, way after the ball had gone and should IMO been a penalty for a quite horrible tackle and at least a booking, then again Perch left his foot high and took him studs on his knee just outside the box, again nothing given.
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I feel he'd stay if we went down and he's likely to get 20 + goals against weaker defences in the championship so it's a no brainer to me.
I think he would stay too. It's substantiated with the knowledge that he's discussing a new contract with us when he doesn't know where we will be next season too.
He's a natural finisher like Bent but he puts a shift in. He really seems to love the club too.
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I am suprised one of bigger German clubs haven't come in for him.
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I was sitting in the north stand tonight, and saw him get completely wiped out.
Nothing was given, no free kick, no yellow card.
Was it as bad/late as I thought, or just an honest 50/50 that he came off worse from?
He was taken twice by Perch. Once when he got his shot off, way after the ball had gone and should IMO been a penalty for a quite horrible tackle and at least a booking, then again Perch left his foot high and took him studs on his knee just outside the box, again nothing given.
Thanks, I was incensed at the time. So much for giving the referee the benefit of the doubt.
Sounds like he bottled it.
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What we have to remember is unlike Benteke he's only played once for his country and he's still not quite an automatic pick for us so while I imagine clubs will be monitoring him I can't see any bids until he has a real goalscoring season, say 15 + goals which I think would be a shoe in next season if we go down.
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I was sitting in the north stand tonight, and saw him get completely wiped out.
Nothing was given, no free kick, no yellow card.
Was it as bad/late as I thought, or just an honest 50/50 that he came off worse from?
He was taken twice by Perch. Once when he got his shot off, way after the ball had gone and should IMO been a penalty for a quite horrible tackle and at least a booking, then again Perch left his foot high and took him studs on his knee just outside the box, again nothing given.
Thanks, I was incensed at the time. So much for giving the referee the benefit of the doubt.
Sounds like he bottled it.
He did IMO. I thought Pardew hooked Perch straight after the second relieved he was not walking the plank. In fairness, Lowton should have gone, and Ameobi easily could have for the Vlaar challenge.
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I feel like I'll be getting his name on the back of my next Villa shirt.
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If we do go down he's one i'd be hopeful of keeping and in such a situation i'm going to predict him for our player of the year for next season.
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It is very rare a ref gives a pen (or anything) when a shot is made at goal and the player is caught late. As mentioned elsewhere, other places in the park and it is called back. I don't know if this is because the ball is normally out of play at that point and they can't do much from there for standard tackles but as I said, it is rare.
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I was sitting in the north stand tonight, and saw him get completely wiped out.
Nothing was given, no free kick, no yellow card.
Was it as bad/late as I thought, or just an honest 50/50 that he came off worse from?
He was taken twice by Perch. Once when he got his shot off, way after the ball had gone and should IMO been a penalty for a quite horrible tackle and at least a booking, then again Perch left his foot high and took him studs on his knee just outside the box, again nothing given.
Thanks, I was incensed at the time. So much for giving the referee the benefit of the doubt.
Sounds like he bottled it.
He did IMO. I thought Pardew hooked Perch straight after the second relieved he was not walking the plank. In fairness, Lowton should have gone, and Ameobi easily could have for the Vlaar challenge.
Ameobi should've walked without question, two footed lunge off the ground into Vlaar.
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He'd be first on the team sheet for me.
(Bent aside) he's the only player who's a 'natural' goalscorer.
He'll be priceless if (when?) we go down.
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It is very rare a ref gives a pen (or anything) when a shot is made at goal and the player is caught late. As mentioned elsewhere, other places in the park and it is called back. I don't know if this is because the ball is normally out of play at that point and they can't do much from there for standard tackles but as I said, it is rare.
I think we both thought it was a pen on the match thread didn't we? Why are they not given, it was a quite horrible tackle, and had he made a pass in midfield and been caught that late the card would have been out immediately. Really pisses me off.
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Top game today and MOTD analysis reflected that.
Seems to have saved his best form for the bigger games...Man. United, Liverpool, Arsenal, league cup semi finals.
Need to sort out this new contract otherwise he's another excellent young striker we'll lose. I do feel he'd stay even if the worst happens.
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He needs to be a bit smarter sometimes, he lost the ball on a couple of occasions that could have cost us but a great finisher and will be a top player.
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As (I think) Chris is a big fan of pointing out, I expect he is the player who is likely to score 25 goals next season to give us a chance of coming straight back up.
You'd hope that he would destroy the Championship.
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Contract is essential and needs to be sorted.
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As (I think) Chris is a big fan of pointing out, I expect he is the player who is likely to score 25 goals next season to give us a chance of coming straight back up.
You'd hope that he would destroy the Championship.
We're not down yet mate. ;)
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Not by any means!!
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As (I think) Chris is a big fan of pointing out, I expect he is the player who is likely to score 25 goals next season to give us a chance of coming straight back up.
You'd hope that he would destroy the Championship.
He would be in the last year of his contract and attract interest from other clubs i fear , we need to sign him on a new deal asap but he may well decide to keep his options open - if we go down i expect our better players to be cherry picked sadly.
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Andreas Weimann issued a rallying call in the wake of the loss to Arsenal, insisting: "We will fight for each other, for the fans, for the club and do everything we can to stay up."
Weimann said the dressing room was down following the defeat at The Emirates but also heartened by the manner of the performance overall.
Villa's No.26 is confident the team can move swiftly away from the drop zone with eleven 'cup finals' remaining if they play like they did against the Gunners.
Weimann was delighted with the forward threat Villa posed as well as their general defensive solidarity.
He said: "Everyone is down but we're going to pick ourselves up.
"We will fight for each other, for the fans and for the club and do everything we can to stay up.
"We have eleven games to go and we will do everything to get out of this.
"We're confident of turning it around. We'll go into the Man City game trying to win it. The place will be rocking.
"The fans have been brilliant. They've stuck with us all season and I'm sure they'll be behind us.
"We've got eleven games to get out of it. We're confident that by the end of the season we won't be in there.
"We will keep working hard. We have to keep going. But if we play like that, we will win more than we lose."
Weimann registered a range of emotions in the capital contest, bagging a brilliant equaliser before blaming himself for the home side's winner in the closing stages.
He added: "It was brilliant to score the equaliser and we tried to see it through. But it was my fault for the second goal because I let the full-back cross it in. I was very disappointed.
"I thought we played brilliantly overall. The whole team worked hard and every time we broke forward we looked like scoring. The defence was brilliant.
"But in the end, we switched off for one second and they scored. It shows you that you can't switch off, even for one second. These sorts of teams are good at using that and scoring against you.
"Arsenal are a brilliant team, even though they haven't performed brilliantly for the last couple of weeks. The players they have are outstanding.
"But I thought we played really well. It was just that one moment where we switched. But now we need to move on."
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First person to post "Don't tell me, show me" is a twat.
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First person to post "Don't tell me, show me" is a twat.
Looks like it was you Dave.....
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First person to post "Don't tell me, show me" is a twat.
Looks like it was you Dave.....
Ha!
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Weimann has been showing to be fair, his form has been one of the few highlights of the season.
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First person to post "Don't tell me, show me" is a twat.
Looks like it was you Dave.....
Well I am a massive twat so I suppose in was inevitable.
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Whilst I rate Weimann, on Saturday he was one piece of dodgy keeping away from being berated by the travelling hoards for not passing the ball
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Whilst I rate Weimann, on Saturday he was one piece of dodgy keeping away from being berated by the travelling hoards for not passing the ball
what a ludicrous stetaement. he hit it early and caught the keeper not setting himself properly. a cracking goal from a player working his bollocks off for the team!
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
Poppycock- andi fully deserves to be starting.
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
Poppycock- andi fully deserves to be starting.
I did'nt say he should'nt be. I'm just suggesting that playing the extra attacker leaves us short in the middle of the park.
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
It's quite amazing that PL has been playing such an 'open' system, given our inability to keep a clean sheet. I like the idea of playing GA and AW to support Benteke, to keep the opposition on the back foot, but I'd prefer a three-man MF of Delph, Westie and ANother (Cilla? or Herd when fit) to keep it tighter.
On topic: I think Weimann has been excellent this season and should prove even better next; wherever he is.
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
Poppycock- andi fully deserves to be starting.
I did'nt say he did'nt. I'm just suggesting that playing the extra attacker leaves us short in the middle of the park.
I like the 4-2-3-1 formation , i think its the way to go, especially now we need wins - westwood and delph look better than westwood and bannan .
The problem is sylla should have come on and not dawkins - when ahead by all means tighten things up and bring on the extra midfielder- no idea what kea brings to the team at all.
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Have we actually played 4-4-2 with Weimann and Benteke up front since the second half against Swansea? Not sure, if we have I can't remember it.
In that second half we defended fairly stoutly with two Hodgson-esque banks of four, and left it to Benteke and Weimann to try and create something when they could - which they did regularly. If we are going to battle our way to a few points somewhere then this might be a decent option, instead of the incredibly open formation we are playing at the moment.
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I'm a fan of Weimann I really like the way he plays he will only get better in time and hopefully with us.
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
Poppycock- andi fully deserves to be starting.
By the way Eastie, what's all this Poppycock lark? Are you reading the Famous Five?
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
Poppycock- andi fully deserves to be starting.
By the way Eastie, what's all this Poppycock lark? Are you reading the Famous Five?
Now then, now then, you've been a good boy recently clampy , dont be cheeky .
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I like Weimann a lot, he's a really good kid, he looks like he gives a shit and has been on of our plus points this season. I do think sometimes though that playing him weakens our midfield a little, especially away from home.
Poppycock- andi fully deserves to be starting.
By the way Eastie, what's all this Poppycock lark? Are you reading the Famous Five?
Now then, now then, you've been a good boy recently clampy
Bloody hell Jimmy, i thought you were dead.
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Back on topic - i think weimanns goals could be crucial in our survival hopes- he is not afraid to have a crack and takes up good positions , he could have a huge part to play.
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There's some story flying round one or two media outlets (Daily Mail and Telegraph) suggesting that he's turned down a new deal for now. It may well be bollocks before anyone get's cross but i thought i'd mention it as it might be in a couple of papers tomorrow.
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There's some story flying round one or two media outlets (Daily Mail and Telegraph) suggesting that he's turned down a new deal for now. It may well be bollocks before anyone get's cross but i thought i'd mention it as it might be in a couple of papers tomorrow.
If true I'd wager he's either waiting to see whether we stay up or he's rejecting as a method of getting more money. I don't blame him either way.
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Andreas fault: Weimann rejects new contract offer to stay at Aston Villa
25 Feb 2013 22:30
The Austrian youngster has impressed this season but is said to be 'disappointed' by the terms on offer
Austrian ace Andreas Weimann has rejected a new contract offer from Aston Villa.
The 21-year-old, who has 18 months left on his existing deal, has been one of Villa’s bright sparks in a disappointing campaign.
Weimann is currently on around £15,000 a week but sources close to the player say they are “disappointed” with the fresh terms so far on offer.
Talks are ongoing and, although Weimann remains happy at Villa, they could now be put on hold until the summer with the club’s Premier League status still in question.
Villa boss Paul Lambert said of the 10-goal striker: “We’re still talking at the minute and seeing how it’s gone on.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/andi-weimann-rejects-new-contract-1730966
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Can't believe he's on 15k to start with given he must have signed this original deal a few years ago. He only made his prem debut this time last year didn't he?
Still, played very well this season so would have no problems pushing it up to 30k a week.
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Faulkner has probably offered him a 50p weekly increase but a relegation clause reducing his wage to £250 a week if we go down.
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Another one angling for a move, rats and sinking ships time methinks. :(
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Weimann is exactly the type of player we should be signing on a long term deal. I bet plenty of clubs will be sniffing round him come the end of the season, especially if we go down.
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Can't believe he's on 15k to start with given he must have signed this original deal a few years ago. He only made his prem debut this time last year didn't he?
Still, played very well this season so would have no problems pushing it up to 30k a week.
I would agree with that. 30K would be about right and then review it around next Xmas.
If Benteke goes (very likely) and Bent goes ( just as likely) and Weimann goes, which is possible if we go down.
Who exactly is supposed to score the goals next season?
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Things are just so shit for villa fans right now.
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If Benteke goes (very likely) and Bent goes ( just as likely) and Weimann goes, which is possible if we go down.
Who exactly is supposed to score the goals next season?
The management have already got that covered...why else did they sign Bowery?
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A wise man to keep his options open , with his contract running down it means he holds all the aces , an extension should have been offered last season , no doubt if relegated someone will snap him up on the cheap.
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Things are just so shit for villa fans right now.
And absolute manna from heaven for some people who`ve been waiting a long time for this.
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He wants to be paid more, who doesn't?
I'm sure the right deal will be put together in the summer.
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If we don't adequately reward players who have down a good job for us we are ruined. This is utterly ridiculous now, Weimann has earned a much improved contract and it's time to stop fucking cutting the wage bill.
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Weimann was more than happy to sign the new contract being offered to him. It's his agent that has told him not to and to hold out for more money.
He's also on nowhere near £15,000 a week at the moment.
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Can't believe he's on 15k to start with given he must have signed this original deal a few years ago. He only made his prem debut this time last year didn't he?
Still, played very well this season so would have no problems pushing it up to 30k a week.
I would agree with that. 30K would be about right and then review it around next Xmas.
If Benteke goes (very likely) and Bent goes ( just as likely) and Weimann goes, which is possible if we go down.
Who exactly is supposed to score the goals next season?
We just won't pay that to a still largely unproven striker, and neither should we. One decent half season does not warrant £30k a week.
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There is no need for andi to rush into it, he would be wise to wait until the summer, see where we are and then negotiate from there .
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Sounds like standard negotiation tactics to me.
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There is no need for andi to rush into it, he would be wise to wait until the summer, see where we are and then negotiate from there.....
....with an entirely different club. Along with Benteke most probably.
Still, another two cars off the car park will improve our carbon footprint even more, which is the main thing.
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i don't see why he should sell himself short.
some of the shit at the club is on five times what he's on and they've hardly kicked a ball all season.
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He's a decent lad, this is just initial talks on a contract extension. It's highly unlikely that anyone takes what is first offered. Calm down.
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Sounds like standard negotiation tactics to me.
And me too.
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Summer is the time to talk when we all know where we stand - if we stay up i would expect him to sign a new deal which reflects his talent , if we go down then the vultures may circle.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/02/26/andreas-weimanns-aston-villa-deal-talks-hit-snag/
Don't you just hate these headlines?
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I just hope we're making reasonable offers rather than thinking he'll go for another 5k a week, given his progress this year.
If we were to start losing players as inexperienced as Weimann over money, then our new strategy would be a ticket to disaster.
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I just hope we're making reasonable offers rather than thinking he'll go for another 5k a week, given his progress this year.
If we were to start losing players as inexperienced as Weimann over money, then our new strategy would be a ticket to disaster.
It's already a bloody disaster paulie. I just love the way the press have been so anti Villa this season, not all articles, but the majority have just been ripping us to bits since day one.
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I just hope we're making reasonable offers rather than thinking he'll go for another 5k a week, given his progress this year.
If we were to start losing players as inexperienced as Weimann over money, then our new strategy would be a ticket to disaster.
Quite, because we're essentially going to end up with no players of any quality. There needs to be a realisation at the club that we need to pay decent wages, not astromical but good Premier League wages if we hope to progress. The cutting should have ended well over a year ago, it's ridiculous.
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The veil of secrecy and lack of communication at the very top is worrying - i would like randy to spell out the situation as he sees it and his intentions for the future - if he wishes to sell then just come out and say so rather than run the club down.
He strikes me as a bit naive regarding the new financial fair play scheme and the way he refused to approach managers under contract when o neill left- this is a ruthless game and i dont think the people running the club have the steel required.
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Sounds like standard negotiation tactics to me.
And me too.
Sounds like exactly what every other decent player has said shortly before leaving the club.
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Sounds like standard negotiation tactics to me.
And me too.
Sounds like exactly what every other decent player has said shortly before leaving the club.
Not to me, the others have not explicitly said they were happy at the club. That weasel Downing gave us some guff about "needing to look at his options" or some shit, which is nothing like the quotes about Weimann here. The tone of the piece is also completely different to what has been said about Benteke. Sounds much more like getting a better deal at Villa as opposed to moving on.
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Weiman has knocked back the first offer. I think the key thing is that it is the first offer and that an accord will be reached, likely in the summer.
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Sounds like standard negotiation tactics to me.
And me too.
Sounds like exactly what every other decent player has said shortly before leaving the club.
Not to me, the others have not explicitly said they were happy at the club. That weasel Downing gave us some guff about "needing to look at his options" or some shit, which is nothing like the quotes about Weimann here. The tone of the piece is also completely different to what has been said about Benteke. Sounds much more like getting a better deal at Villa as opposed to moving on.
Incorrect, look at these quotes from Downing:
"Downing told the Birmingham Mail: "I think there have been a couple of conversations already with my agent.
"I've already spoken to the manager who has said he'd like to keep me.
"I've still got two years left and they've come to me with an offer.
"For a player, that is brilliant because it gives you confidence they have faith in you and that they reward players if they do well.
"I'm enjoying my stay here. I've enjoyed it since the first day I came. It's a terrific football club. it's fantastic they want me."
Regarding speculation over his future, Downing said: "It's part and parcel of being a player and doing well.
"Ever since I was young I've read stories saying 'you're going here, you're going there.
"Obviously if you have a good season you get linked, but I'm happy here."
Downing, voted Villa's player of the year, is optimistic about the future of the club despite a disappointing campaign after three top-six finishes in the Barclays Premier League.
He said: "There are terrific players here. I'm confident, despite this season, that we're going in the right direction and, if we get the right players in, then I'm happy.
"The important thing in football is if you're happy, then why change it.
"I know it's been a disappointing season but I can see the bigger picture."
And Ashley Young said this, a month before changing his mind:
"Ashley Young has given a boost to his new manager Gérard Houllier by expressing his willingness to sign a new deal with Aston Villa.
Young was the subject of speculation about his future during the summer and linked with a move to Tottenham. But the England winger has started the new campaign in sparkling form and given the strongest indication yet he will be happy to commit to the Midlands club.
When asked how contract talks were progressing, Young said: "I've always said that I'm willing to sign a new deal. If it comes along, then I'll be delighted to sign."
A month later he was delaying it until the end of the season, and then obviously he was off to Man U.
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'Contract talks on hold until summer' usually only means one thing.
Interesting piece in the Guardian re Swansea, who seem to have £35k a week pay ceiling and 'heavily incentivised contracts' and win bonus' up to £5k.
Michu signed a new contract in January, presumably within this framework.
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If Andi hasn't signed a new deal by August I will eat my hat.
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If Andi hasn't signed a new deal by August I will eat my hat.
... with us/elsewhere or both?
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If Andi hasn't signed a new deal by August I will eat my hat.
Hope its not a big one then!
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Oh fuck it.
Everything is shit, we might as well sell all the seats in the Holte End while we're at it.
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From the horses mouth-
@andiweimann: The reports in the papers about rejecting the contract are not true ! I've always been happy here and talks are still ongoing !!
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No, no, no, that won't surfice. We must find a way to negatively spin this reasonable explanation direct from the kid himself.
Maybe something like The Black Death has spread through BMH or Lambert is looking to cull all the eldest born males within the players households. Because you know, everything is shit and its never been as shit as this and Fat Sam plays some sexy sexy football dontchyaknow.
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What's going on? How dare he put the doomsayers right.
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Good lad Andi, sign up.
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'Contract talks on hold until summer' usually only means one thing.
Interesting piece in the Guardian re Swansea, who seem to have £35k a week pay ceiling and 'heavily incentivised contracts' and win bonus' up to £5k.
Michu signed a new contract in January, presumably within this framework.
That seems about right. Only the very top clubs can afford to pay stupid money. The days when a player ilke Ireland could get 65000 and Zigic could get more or less the same have passed by....and good riddance it was sheer lunacy whichever way you look at it.
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From the horses mouth-
@andiweimann: The reports in the papers about rejecting the contract are not true ! I've always been happy here and talks are still ongoing !!
Shit me there's horse in Andi Weimann too...?
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From the horses mouth-
@andiweimann: The reports in the papers about rejecting the contract are not true ! I've always been happy here and talks are still ongoing !!
How The Daily Star/Mirror/Sun/ Mail might report this:
Young Aston Villa starlet Andreas Weimann has added to his beleaguered boss's woes by Tweeting that his current contract negotiations are only "ongoing" despite Villa top brass being keen to sign him up without further delay.
Weimann's indication that his contract negotiations are far from done and dusted is the latest headache for boss Paul Lambert - less than a week after he signalled he was facing the prospect of selling Christian Benteke to Spurs or Arsenal for £ 15 million.
The Austrian international has admitted to having "happy" times with the Birmingham club since arriving as a sixteen year old rookie from Vienna but, like his Belgian teammate, might now feel the time is ripe for a step up to a big club.
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From the horses mouth-
@andiweimann: The reports in the papers about rejecting the contract are not true ! I've always been happy here and talks are still ongoing !!
How The Daily Star/Mirror/Sun/ Mail might report this:
Young Aston Villa starlet Andreas Weimann has added to his beleaguered boss's woes by Tweeting that his current contract negotiations are only "ongoing" despite Villa top brass being keen to sign him up without further delay.
Weimann's indication that his contract negotiations are far from done and dusted is the latest headache for boss Paul Lambert - less than a week after he signalled he was facing the prospect of selling Christian Benteke to Spurs or Arsenal for £ 15 million.
The Austrian international has admitted to having "happy" times with the Birmingham club since arriving as a sixteen year old rookie from Vienna but, like his Belgian teammate, might now feel the time is ripe for a step up to a big club.
This really is excellent!
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How the Mercury would report it:
The world of football was today shocked when it was revealed that Aston Villa are continuing to harbour a Hitler-worshipper amongst their players. The club, which shamefully does not bear the name of the city, has offered a contract to its young striker Andreas Weimann, despite his overt Nazi sympathies. We understand that the young forward continues to insist on retaining Austrian citizenship, despite this being the land which spawned the evil Fuhrer. To compound this shame, Weimann continues to speak German, the language that terrified the whole of Europe during a war in which Weimann's family are almost certain to have faithfully served the Third Reich.
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How it would be reported by The Grauniad.
Bearing the unusually bisexual name Andreas leaves us to consider whether Herr und Frau Weimann really wanted a child of a different gender. One might say Naturlich das familie Weimann chose eine Nahme which could serve the eventual outcome of the marital conjunction. What is in greater doubt and which will generate much schadenfreude with the football teams Andreas scores against is how this young Austrian fussballschpeiler came to be at West Midlands once great but now mudigkeitvoll Aston Villa FC. Seeking to clarify his perzonal circumstances junge Herr Weimann tweeted Und soweiter und soweiter....
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How it would be reported by The Grauniad.
Bearing the unusually bisexual name Andreas leaves us to consider whether Herr und Frau Weimann really wanted a child of a different gender. One might say Naturlich das familie Weimann chose eine Nahme which could serve the eventual outcome of the marital conjunction. What is in greater doubt and which will generate much schadenfreude with the football teams Andreas scores against is how this young Austrian fussballschpeiler came to be at West Midlands once great but now mudigkeitvoll Aston Villa FC. Seeking to clarify his perzonal circumstances junge Herr Weimann tweeted Und soweiter und soweiter....
Not credible Brian; insufficient nuimber of typos.
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I am releived to hear from him. Andreas has been fantastic for us this season. I hope he stays a long time.
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Daily Mail :
Immigrant offered highly paid job in deprived area of Birmingham
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(Genuinely) From today's Star:
"ARSENAL AND TOTTENHAM BATTLE FOR ASTON VILLA HOTSHOT ANDREAS WEIMANN
TOTTENHAM and Arsenal are keeping tabs on Andreas Weimann.
The North London duo are locked in the scrap for the Champions League places. And they could renew their rivalry in a summer battle for Aston Villa’s versatile forward.
The Austrian has been a rare positive for Paul Lambert’s relegation-threatened side.
He has bagged 10 goals in his first full campaign, including Villa’s consolation against Arsenal on Saturday.
And the 21-year-old could be available for a cut-price fee in the summer.
His £15,000-a-week Villa deal has just 17 months left to run. The Midlanders have begun talks over a new contract but Starsport understands no offer has yet been made.
Whether he stays or goes is likely to hinge on whether or not Villa are escape the drop into the Championship.
They are now in the bottom three but Weimann said: “We know that we’re in there but we’re all confident we’ll get out soon enough.
“We’ve got 11 games to get out of it.
“We’re confident that by the end of the season, we won’t be in there.”
You couldn't make it up! Or, then again, maybe you could.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if top clubs are looking at him, he's going to be great. Sadly our ownership is draining pretty much all the hope from the club.
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Our stock is definitely falling; it used to be Manchester United, City and Chelsea that wanted our better players, now it's the 'North London duo'.
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Our stock is definitely falling; it used to be Manchester United, City and Chelsea that wanted our better players, now it's the 'North London duo'.
And soon it'll probably be the likes of Stoke and Fulham.
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Oh well, on the bright side, at least they've stopped moaning about Bent being dropped.
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Oh well, on the bright side, at least they've stopped moaning about Bent being dropped.
Yeah, that outrage has subsided somewhat since Weimann and Benteke have proven themselves to be good enough players.
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Edited
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(Genuinely) From today's Star:
"ARSENAL AND TOTTENHAM BATTLE FOR ASTON VILLA HOTSHOT ANDREAS WEIMANN
He has bagged 10 goals in his first full season including Villa's consolation against Arsenal
How the fuck can anyone describe Andy's goal on Saturday as consolation? F in wankers!
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Our stock is definitely falling; it used to be Manchester United, City and Chelsea that wanted our better players, now it's the 'North London duo'.
And soon it'll probably be the likes of Stoke and Fulham.
That will be the Gabby interest.
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(Genuinely) From today's Star:
"ARSENAL AND TOTTENHAM BATTLE FOR ASTON VILLA HOTSHOT ANDREAS WEIMANN
He has bagged 10 goals in his first full season including Villa's consolation against Arsenal
How the fuck can anyone describe Andy's goal on Saturday as consolation? F in wankers!
I thought that, too. They just seem to write nonsense.
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Why would Andi sign an extension now ?
Waiting until the end of the season is surely in his best interests
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I really hope he sign's a new contract we need to keep him.
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(Genuinely) From today's Star:
"ARSENAL AND TOTTENHAM BATTLE FOR ASTON VILLA HOTSHOT ANDREAS WEIMANN
He has bagged 10 goals in his first full season including Villa's consolation against Arsenal
How the fuck can anyone describe Andy's goal on Saturday as consolation? F in wankers!
Because we lost the game.
con·so·la·tion
/ˌkänsəˈlāSHən/
Noun
1.Comfort received by a person after a loss or disappointment.
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It was'nt a consolation, it was the games equalising goal.
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It wasn't a consolation at the time it was scored, obviously after the game it had no bearing. A consolation goal in the context of a game is only if it has no potential impact on the result at the time it's scored.
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Oh and please sign up Andi, please.
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It was'nt a consolation, it was the games equalising goal.
That's not a negative spin of things, you Lerner stooge.
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I love him. Best of the crop by a distance because, as I've said before, he's a proper winner. Gets pissed off and narky when things are going well and then busts a gut trying to make sure they do go well. He plays on adrenaline. Love his celebrations as well - the lightning bolt things is a bit naff but he doesn't half enjoy himself when he gets a goal.
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I'd like to think he'd sign a new deal if we win our next game, A man can dream...
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I love him. Best of the crop by a distance because, as I've said before, he's a proper winner. Gets pissed off and narky when things are going well and then busts a gut trying to make sure they do go well. He plays on adrenaline. Love his celebrations as well - the lightning bolt things is a bit naff but he doesn't half enjoy himself when he gets a goal.
Exactly how it should be. If I scored in front of the Holte I think I would celebrate for a good 5 minutes. I bet there is no feeling like it!
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Great display from him - heart of a lion.
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He's far and away the best player to come through our youth system.
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He's far and away the best player to come through our youth system.
In how long? Surely there have been others.
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He's far and away the best player to come through our youth system.
In how long? Surely there have been others.
Potentially since Barry for my money. Although Cahill wasn't bad, not that we saw the best of him.
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I think he's the best of the lot, and think he'll go on to huge things. Just a quality, quality player.
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Superb performance from Andreas today, both going forward and tracking back to help out in the full back position.
Now we just hope we can hold on to him.
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He does have faults but he's such a worker, that in time he will get over them. What a player he could be then.
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He does have faults but he's such a worker, that in time he will get over them. What a player he could be then.
Yep, he is not the most technically gifted but he is quick, works his taters off every week and his instinctive finishing is as good as Bent's. Big, big player for us now, his goals per starts ratio must be pretty impressive this season, particularly as he has played exclusively as a wide forward.
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If he was the main striker at a team like Everton he'd be on 20 goals a season.
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If he was the main striker at a team like Everton he'd be on 20 goals a season.
yup, think i agree with that
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Really need to get this lad on a 5 year deal if possible.
Said he'd get 10 league goals this season, can't be far off that now surely?
Could well be 15-20 next season if we sign better players in midfield.
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If Benteke does leave in the summer, I'd like to see Andi given a run as our main striker.
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He reminds me of Dirk Kuyt with his endless workrate and ability to score crucial goals.
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Amazing to think his first goal for Villa was this time last year.
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Brilliant young player with lots of natural ability and, crucially (and I believe missing from some of our other young players) he has a self-belief about him that sets him apart - as I think Benteke does, too.
I think he'll go on to be an outstanding player.
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Andi was simply immense in the 2nd half today. I just wish he'd lose the bad habit of picking up yellow cards for petulant chat to referees.
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He reminds me of Dirk Kuyt with his endless workrate and ability to score crucial goals.
That is an excellent comparison, excellent team player
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I'm a big fan of Weimann and I think he's perfectly suited to the role just off a main striker, he uses the extra space really well to drag defenders out of position, his movement is exceptional.
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Andi was simply immense in the 2nd half today. I just wish he'd lose the bad habit of picking up yellow cards for petulant chat to referees.
His pull back for Benteke's goal was superb.
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Andi was simply immense in the 2nd half today. I just wish he'd lose the bad habit of picking up yellow cards for petulant chat to referees.
I think he gets punished because we're not perceived to be a club that can do it. If he was at someone like Chelsea or Utd he'd never get the bookings he does for us.
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Andi was simply immense in the 2nd half today. I just wish he'd lose the bad habit of picking up yellow cards for petulant chat to referees.
I think he gets punished because we're not perceived to be a club that can do it. If he was at someone like Chelsea or Utd he'd never get the bookings he does for us.
To be fair wasn't that when QPR moved a freekick about 10 yards, into a shooting position? You should've heard what I was shouting at the ref.
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Scored one ,made one ,excellent effort all round for me .
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Top lad has potential to be a20 goal a season player
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Unless he gets slagged of like Gabby is on this forum. Some people just piss me off. Stop slagging and get behind the team FFS.
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Unless he gets slagged of like Gabby is on this forum. Some people just piss me off. Stop slagging and get behind the team FFS.
What are you going in about???
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Andi was simply immense in the 2nd half today. I just wish he'd lose the bad habit of picking up yellow cards for petulant chat to referees.
I think he gets punished because we're not perceived to be a club that can do it. If he was at someone like Chelsea or Utd he'd never get the bookings he does for us.
To be fair wasn't that when QPR moved a freekick about 10 yards, into a shooting position? You should've heard what I was shouting at the ref.
Yep, that was the one, was after Benteke fouled Samba in response to Samba pretty much attempting to mount him a few seconds earlier.
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Unless he gets slagged of like Gabby is on this forum. Some people just piss me off. Stop slagging and get behind the team FFS.
What are you going in about???
You, obviously. :P
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I'm surprised this old ditty hasn't been sung. "Oh Andi, you're the greatest, the Holte End say. Oh Andi, Oh Andi, we'll be with you, all the way".
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That was a fantastic goal today.
Defensive or goalkeeper frailties, my fucking arse, brilliant skill to turn and score like that.
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Next season will be his real test. To most teams, he's an unknown but I guess they know his prowess now.
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Unless he signs a new contract, I think he'll be gone in the summer.
Unfortunately it's all about money at Villa, so if we get £4-5 million for him instead of losing him for free next summer, I'm scared Villa would take it :-(
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Turn it in.
He will sign a contract for us in the summer.
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He'll stay.
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Unless he signs a new contract, I think he'll be gone in the summer.
Unfortunately it's all about money at Villa, so if we get £4-5 million for him instead of losing him for free next summer, I'm scared Villa would take it :-(
£4m? No chance
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I'm surprised this old ditty hasn't been sung. "Oh Andi, you're the greatest, the Holte End say. Oh Andi, Oh Andi, we'll be with you, all the way".
Like it, although supporters of the last 20 odd years probably would'nt have heard of it.
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Unless he signs a new contract, I think he'll be gone in the summer.
Unfortunately it's all about money at Villa, so if we get £4-5 million for him instead of losing him for free next summer, I'm scared Villa would take it :-(
It's his first full season, if we stay up it wouldn't make sense for him to leave just to end up on the bench at a 'bigger' club. Too many young players do that and then go backwards.
I am hoping that this time around we resist all temptation to sell, deadwood excepted, lets see this team grow together.
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Unless he signs a new contract, I think he'll be gone in the summer.
Unfortunately it's all about money at Villa, so if we get £4-5 million for him instead of losing him for free next summer, I'm scared Villa would take it :-(
No doubt if we stay up he will stay as will benteke I hope.
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Unless he signs a new contract, I think he'll be gone in the summer.
Unfortunately it's all about money at Villa, so if we get £4-5 million for him instead of losing him for free next summer, I'm scared Villa would take it :-(
No doubt if we stay up he will stay as will benteke I hope.
i hope you are right, but i seriously doubt it.
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Unless we get a really big say 20m + bid for Benteke, I reckon he'll stay another year and leave after the world cup.
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Andi makes the Garth Crook team of the week alonge with Brad. However that cheat Jay Rodriguez is also in it.
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That was a fantastic goal today.
Defensive or goalkeeper frailties, my fucking arse, brilliant skill to turn and score like that.
Yes it was, and he hit it hard too. As I've said before, he hits the ball hard, and he usually hits the target.
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He reminds me of Thomas Mueller from Bayern. Workrate, football brain, finishing ability and makes the most of what some would call 'limited' technical ability.
If the team started taking more risks in the final third he would be amazingly prolific.
I never thought he could work in a phone both like he did against QPR.
Rapidly becoming my favourite Villan.
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Talk in todays Daily Mail (20th March) that Norwich are after him, if we start selling promising young players to the likes of Norwich, it really is the end.
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Talk in todays Daily Mail (20th March) that Norwich are after him, if we start selling promising young players to the likes of Norwich, it really is the end.
Like hell would he go to Norwich
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Talk in todays Daily Mail (20th March) that Norwich are after him, if we start selling promising young players to the likes of Norwich, it really is the end.
Like hell would he go to Norwich
Quite. Players (and managers) that we want go from Norwich to us, not the other way around.
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He's not going to bloody Norwich.
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One of our big priorities should be signing Andi up asap. He's fully earned a good wage and has been excellent.
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I'm pretty certain he'll get a guarentee of first team Football at Villa next season and a nice healthy wage packet to go with it for a good 3 or 4 years.
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He's not going to bloody Norwich.
More chance of Hutton getting signed by Barca in the summer!
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Don't forget that stories coming out of Villa Park are that he is not happy with the terms currently being offered, not that he is waiting to see what happens.
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I think this cutting the wage bill effort is maybe being taken a bit too far. Yes we have to trim it down as it is scandulous(sp?) that we have Dunne, Ireland, Given and Bent taking home about £200K a week and not kicking a ball. (OK I know Dunne is injured but would he have been picked if not, judging how others have been treated?)
However, the core players for the future, and I would imagine Andi is definitely one of those, need to be signed up on decent deals. If needs be then the money received selling Bent this summer should be used to pay off Ireland and Given which would free up all 4 wages. That money could then be utilised in upgrading those we wish to and paying the 2 or 3 incoming players a reasonable wage. It would still maybe be less than the wages being saved, especially if the new contracts are incentive based - appearances/points gained/league position, etc.
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He knows that if he scores another five goals this season then his bargaining position is further increased and he might pop another £5k a week on his pay cheque.
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I would think should we stay up we will sell Bent and use his wages to increase both Weimann's and Benteke's terms and bring in another back up striker.
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Don't forget that stories coming out of Villa Park are that he is not happy with the terms currently being offered, not that he is waiting to see what happens.
Didn't he quash these rumours the other week on twitter? Then went on to state how happy he is at the club. You really are glass half full in the last few weeks peter.
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peter w has changed alright.
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peter w has changed alright.
It may have something to do with his wife returning after the birth of his latest. Isn't she about to rejion him this month?
Even Stewart Downing scores more often than Peter. Fill yer boots, fella.
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He knows that if he scores another five goals this season then his bargaining position is further increased and he might pop another £5k a week on his pay cheque.
Of course.
If I were him, I wouldn't decide anything till the end of the season. Firstly, I'd want to know what division we'll be playing in. Secondly, if he does well between now and then, he'll have an even better hand to play.
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He knows that the Villa will offer him an acceptable contract, but that level of acceptability can be influenced by how well he performs and as you say Paulie, he will haave a stronger hand.
Its mutually beneficial.
We'll end up paying him £35k per week and we will save money on not buying a workhorse with great shooting boots, while reaping the his goal harvest.
Win win.
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Ads is spot on. If we replace Weimann then we'll have to pay an equal quality replacement £35,000 a week and a transfer fee. Sign him up. Simples.
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I'm surprised this old ditty hasn't been sung. "Oh Andi, you're the greatest, the Holte End say. Oh Andi, Oh Andi, we'll be with you, all the way".
Indeed, Bill. Still, I thought the Holte were superb on Saturday after Benteke's winner they immediately sang the Benteke song but followed it up with the Andi Weimann song in appreciation of his contribution and what a contribution it was.
As for next season, I'm struggling to see how teams despite knowing more about him, can plan to deal with him. There are no obvious traits to his game as he has so many. The only thing that neutralises him is when he's pushed out wide but that's down to Lambert's tactics. The Bradford fans were delighted when at Villa Park he played out on the wing as they were terrified of what he can do in the middle. They had a point.
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I'm surprised this old ditty hasn't been sung. "Oh Andi, you're the greatest, the Holte End say. Oh Andi, Oh Andi, we'll be with you, all the way".
Indeed, Bill. Still, I thought the Holte were superb on Saturday after Benteke's winner they immediately sang the Benteke song but followed it up with the Andi Weimann song in appreciation of his contribution and what a contribution it was.
As for next season, I'm struggling to see how teams despite knowing more about him, can plan to deal with him. There are no obvious traits to his game as he has so many. The only thing that neutralises him is when he's pushed out wide but that's down to Lambert's tactics. The Bradford fans were delighted when at Villa Park he played out on the wing as they were terrified of what he can do in the middle. They had a point.
The song for Weimann is as follows, it will be up there with the Dwight Yorke - New York song
To the tune of Glen Campbell's - Wychita Lineman
He is Weiman of our county..
And we need him more than want him
But we want him for all time
That mystical Weimann
Is running down the line*
* His current position.
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Oh Andi, Oh Andi, you're the greatest yes you are.....I'll retrieve my coat.
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Sign up Andi please.
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Weiman's gone from a reserve playing a few sub games to one of the first names on the list.
The club obviously thought there was no rush to sign him up. (As my kids would say Epic fail!)
He just needs to play out of his skin for a few more games and then the world is his oyster. Sign a lucrative contract with Villa or leave, sign a lucrative contract and possibly win things if a good club want him, at a knock down price. I fear we really know how this will play out. :-(
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Linked with Inter:
The young Austrian has been one of the few positives for Villa in a difficult season which sees them battling against relegation in the Premier League.
Weimann has bagged 11 goals so far this term, leading to rumours in some quarters that a move to Serie A could be on the cards.
Robert Groener, who represents the 21-year-old, insisted that he had not heard from the Italian giants, but refused to categorically rule out a switch, particularly with his client's contract due to expire at the end of next season.
Groener told Interlive.it: "At the moment there is nothing concrete. I have not had any contact with Marco Branca or any other Inter directors.
"His contract with Villa expires in 2014, so if they do not renew then he could be sold over the summer.
"Playing in Serie A? Obviously Serie A is less prestigious than the Premier League, but it would be an honour for Weimann to wear the jersey of an historic and prestigious club like Inter.
"But, for now, there is nothing concrete."
He won't leave.
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I hope he doesn't I just wish we'd get him tied down to a contract.
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Agent bigging up client for new deal so he can get his percentage.
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He deserves a new and improved deal.
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It's not only about an improved deal, it's also about his personal ambitions.
Remain with a hopefully improving Villa next season in the Premiership with a better deal, or playing for a club in the Champions League or Europa Cup, also with a better deal.
Question to Villa fans - If it was you, what would you do????
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It's not only about an improved deal, it's also about his personal ambitions.
Remain with a hopefully improving Villa next season in the Premiership with a better deal, or playing for a club in the Champions League or Europa Cup, also with a better deal.
Question to Villa fans - If it was you, what would you do????
Stay at Villa and not end up spending 90% of my time on the bench
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One of the things that I like about Lambert's approach is that the team and squad all seem so together. If a player is doing well and happy as part of that, why would he want to leave?
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If we stay up but lose Bentake, Weimann and Guzan, or two of those listed then it'll be another struggle against relegation again next season I'm thinking.
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One of the things that I like about Lambert's approach is that the team and squad all seem so together. If a player is doing well and happy as part of that, why would he want to leave?
It'd be nice if it was actually like that, but it isn't is it?
They'll always be interested by more money or a more glamorous club, no matter how good the team spirit.
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One of the things that I like about Lambert's approach is that the team and squad all seem so together. If a player is doing well and happy as part of that, why would he want to leave?
Ambition, money? Not much at Villa these last few years.
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Weiman's gone from a reserve playing a few sub games to one of the first names on the list.
The club obviously thought there was no rush to sign him up. (As my kids would say Epic fail!)
He just needs to play out of his skin for a few more games and then the world is his oyster. Sign a lucrative contract with Villa or leave, sign a lucrative contract and possibly win things if a good club want him, at a knock down price. I fear we really know how this will play out. :-(
Epic fail indeed. However.................
I seem to recall Luke Moore getting a whacking great contract and then doing nothing afterwards. Albrighton has taken some real stick this season for his lack of form yet two years ago he looked every inch a top winger and we'd all be saying to give him the big fat contract that ensures he stays. It's the gamble that clubs take. Weimann will stay if he is happy with the money he is offered.
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One of the things that I like about Lambert's approach is that the team and squad all seem so together. If a player is doing well and happy as part of that, why would he want to leave?
It'd be nice if it was actually like that, but it isn't is it?
They'll always be interested by more money or a more glamorous club, no matter how good the team spirit.
I reckon they will see the potential at Villa, the ambition of the manager and stay. All they have to do is look around the place to know they are at a big club that can achieve things. They'll have seen our youngsters reach the last four of Europe's top competition last night and know that we are a club that can compete - and should compete - at all levels with the very best.
As long as the chairman and CEO are ready to back the manager's vision (and we stay up, of course) I have no fears that our betters players will stay and want to kick on with our club.
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Weiman's gone from a reserve playing a few sub games to one of the first names on the list.
The club obviously thought there was no rush to sign him up. (As my kids would say Epic fail!)
He just needs to play out of his skin for a few more games and then the world is his oyster. Sign a lucrative contract with Villa or leave, sign a lucrative contract and possibly win things if a good club want him, at a knock down price. I fear we really know how this will play out. :-(
No. It's not happened before so why should it now?
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I fully expect players to leave if there is money on the table elsewhere. Man U, who win everything, offer the glamour and everything else have been held to ransom in recent years by Ferdinand and Rooney. Lost Tevez to City as well. What chance Villa where there has been no silverware for 17yrs? I find it easier to expect zero loyalty from the players and just enjoy good players in their time with us.
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It all smacks of People trying to unsettle the club when there have been some positives on the pitch. Who could benefit from this QPR, Harry? Or is that me being cynical of the London press bias.
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I fully expect players to leave if there is money on the table elsewhere. Man U, who win everything, offer the glamour and everything else have been held to ransom in recent years by Ferdinand and Rooney. Lost Tevez to City as well. What chance Villa where there has been no silverware for 17yrs? I find it easier to expect zero loyalty from the players and just enjoy good players in their time with us.
As has been mentioned many times elsewhere they'll get first team football at Villa. At a place like Man City they'll be a very small fish in a very big ocean full of superstars and you've seen what happens to young players who get a move to Man City recently. I'd say for someone like Weimann to move to City at this stage of his career could be highly damaging and that staying at Villa would be the much better option.
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He deserves a new and improved deal.
He's becoming one of our key players.
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I reckon they will see the potential at Villa, the ambition of the manager and stay....
As long as the chairman and CEO are ready to back the manager's vision (and we stay up, of course) I have no fears that our betters players will stay and want to kick on with our club.
This is the problem. I think players will feel betrayed by the board following the last transfer window where we all but rolled over and surrendered. The lack of foresight by the board in not reinforcing the squad and particularly the defense was staggering. If we do stay up it will be by the skin of our teeth. How is a player supposed to read 'ambition' through those lines?
If any decent offers come in for our better players I suspect they will be off. And frankly you couldn't really blame them, notwithstanding most of us think the manager has potential.
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I fully expect players to leave if there is money on the table elsewhere. Man U, who win everything, offer the glamour and everything else have been held to ransom in recent years by Ferdinand and Rooney. Lost Tevez to City as well. What chance Villa where there has been no silverware for 17yrs? I find it easier to expect zero loyalty from the players and just enjoy good players in their time with us.
As has been mentioned many times elsewhere they'll get first team football at Villa. At a place like Man City they'll be a very small fish in a very big ocean full of superstars and you've seen what happens to young players who get a move to Man City recently. I'd say for someone like Weimann to move to City at this stage of his career could be highly damaging and that staying at Villa would be the much better option.
Or you could look at it that it is a short career and the money on offer is the biggest factor. Would Young and Milner have had more game time if they stayed with us? Rodwell at Everton? Sinclair at Swansea?
I agree with you that it should be about football but hand on heart if it was me being offered (for example) £15k a week at Villa for first team football or £60k a week to warm the bench elsewhere i'd take the cash. These players are only one bad tackle away from retirement so money has to talk.
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QB, I disagree. I think the reason they take the option to go to a big team is because they think and believe they can break into the team and stay there. Thats why they are where they are, belief. I think if they honestly know they are just going to be a benchwarmer, not many of them would take it. They want to play. Thats why they gave up so much of their life to train week in week out
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People really think Inter are interested and this isn't just another "Come on Villa, chuck another £5,000 on the package"?
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QB, I disagree. I think the reason they take the option to go to a big team is because they think and believe they can break into the team and stay there. Thats why they are where they are, belief. I think if they honestly know they are just going to be a benchwarmer, not many of them would take it. They want to play. Thats why they gave up so much of their life to train week in week out
I'd like to believe you are right and daresay there are some players who fit that description but with the money that is on offer it has to turn heads. The gulf between the wages paid at the likes of City and United to the Villa's and Everton's of this world these days is a lot bigger than it was even ten years ago. Nothing should be taken for granted in a footballer's career and the chance to be financially secure for life is one very few would resist in any walk of life in my opinion. That's why there are so few one club men these days. Outside of the very wealthiest clubs who have players who amass three/four hundred games these days? We had Barry and when he left after eleven years he got called a greedy bastard lol.
Loyalty is a trait exclusive to fans. Players and staff have their own personal agendas and that's the way it is.
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Andi is one player I think that genuinely loves the club, he appreciates it and as long as we offer him a good deal he'll sign up. After all he's young and he'll carry on getting rave reviews by staying at the club.
Only two things could scupper it:
Us ballsing it up by offering a pittance
Playing in the Championship
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I reckon they will see the potential at Villa, the ambition of the manager and stay....
As long as the chairman and CEO are ready to back the manager's vision (and we stay up, of course) I have no fears that our betters players will stay and want to kick on with our club.
This is the problem. I think players will feel betrayed by the board following the last transfer window where we all but rolled over and surrendered. The lack of foresight by the board in not reinforcing the squad and particularly the defense was staggering. If we do stay up it will be by the skin of our teeth. How is a player supposed to read 'ambition' through those lines?
If any decent offers come in for our better players I suspect they will be off. And frankly you couldn't really blame them, notwithstanding most of us think the manager has potential.
I actually think the exact opposite is true. The players were in a massive rut and as a club we backed them to have the quality to see us out, I think a lot of the players will have huge respect for Lambert showing them his backing in such a risky way. We have a young side that are growing together and a manager willing to put his reputation on the line to back them, I think that will have some sway with keeping players at the club (the ones Lambert wants to keep at least). I firmly believe Andi will sign a new deal early in the summer.
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I reckon they will see the potential at Villa, the ambition of the manager and stay....
As long as the chairman and CEO are ready to back the manager's vision (and we stay up, of course) I have no fears that our betters players will stay and want to kick on with our club.
This is the problem. I think players will feel betrayed by the board following the last transfer window where we all but rolled over and surrendered. The lack of foresight by the board in not reinforcing the squad and particularly the defense was staggering. If we do stay up it will be by the skin of our teeth. How is a player supposed to read 'ambition' through those lines?
If any decent offers come in for our better players I suspect they will be off. And frankly you couldn't really blame them, notwithstanding most of us think the manager has potential.
I get no impression at all that the players feel betrayed - I would hope they feel motivated and encouraged by having a manager who trusts and believes in them.
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A precedent has been set with young players going to clubs for money rather than first team football.
I would also think that barring the financially metal - Chelsea or Man City - we ought to be able to offer a similar deal to anything he might get elsewhere. Arsenal for example are unlikely to come in with a 70k a week offer.
Unless he's asking for 60-70k on the basis that he's been every bit as productive as Darren Bent and more, something should be possible.
The key bit of that Inter article, which I assume came from his agent, was the 'if Villa fail to sign him...' bit. It may be a different story when his next contract comes up, but I think we'll keep him this time around.
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If I had seen a bunch of older players coming in, expecting to just walk into the team, i think that would have had a demotivating effect on me. You could argue our better performances as a team have come since the transfer window. It may not have seemed like a "successful" transfer window to a fan, but maybe it was more than valuable to the players themselves? Who has really kicked on since January in the bottom half? Sunderland?? Newcastle?? QPR??
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I fully expect players to leave if there is money on the table elsewhere. Man U, who win everything, offer the glamour and everything else have been held to ransom in recent years by Ferdinand and Rooney. Lost Tevez to City as well. What chance Villa where there has been no silverware for 17yrs? I find it easier to expect zero loyalty from the players and just enjoy good players in their time with us.
This is my outlook in it too.
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I'm certain that the reason for our lack of January activity was the manager's belief in the current squad. Whether he's right is something we'll soon find out.
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I'm certain that the reason for our lack of January activity was the manager's belief in the current squad. Whether he's right is something we'll soon find out.
So do you believe more money was available to him then , Dave?
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I reckon more money was available, but likely wasnt enough to get the player(s) he wanted, and he didnt want to waste the money on players that didnt fit with his plans
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I reckon more money was available, but likely wasnt enough to get the player(s) he wanted, and he didnt want to waste the money on players that didnt fit with his plans
Or maybe the players he wanted were not available in January but may be in the summer?
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I'm certain that the reason for our lack of January activity was the manager's belief in the current squad. Whether he's right is something we'll soon find out.
That is amazing. Brave man if true.
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So, Eastie and Greg were right
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I've thought the same all along. If we'd seen a couple of loans or a signing of a guy with 6months left on his deal somewhere I'd think it may have been a finance thing but it never felt like that at the time, particularly given that Lambert never seemed concerned about not getting people.
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So, Eastie and Greg were right
Not really a question of who was right or not, the only thing that matters is where we find ourselves in may , if we stay up and go on to sign decent players in the summer then lambert will not only been proved a brave man but a wise man too- although i think he took one hell of a gamble not bringing in defensive cover in January.
I hope it pays off and we survive and go on from there - a successful aston villa is what we all want to see .
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I think Lambo should be saying to him (I know he's not English but the principle still applies) Remember Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, Even Jack Rodwell. Playing week in week out, the first 2 were in every squad and the last one breaking through, well when were they last regular starters
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I think Lambo should be saying to him (I know he's not English but the principle still applies) Remember Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, Even Jack Rodwell. Playing week in week out, the first 2 were in every squad and the last one breaking through, well when were they last regular starters
I think Weimann will probably stay if we stay up , it will be much harder though to convince benteke to sign a new deal but lets hope both are here next year.
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I reckon more money was available, but likely wasnt enough to get the player(s) he wanted, and he didnt want to waste the money on players that didnt fit with his plans
Or maybe the players he wanted were not available in January but may be in the summer?
We could always just believe him when he said that he did make enquiries but the money quoted was out of our price range, which I took to mean wages rather than fees.
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I reckon more money was available, but likely wasnt enough to get the player(s) he wanted, and he didnt want to waste the money on players that didnt fit with his plans
Or maybe the players he wanted were not available in January but may be in the summer?
We could always just believe him when he said that he did make enquiries but the money quoted was out of our price range, which I took to mean wages rather than fees.
That's my take on it as well.
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Anyone know where I can get the "shine bright like a Wiemann" wallpaper? I saw it the other day somewhere and cant find it now
cheers
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I reckon they will see the potential at Villa, the ambition of the manager and stay....
As long as the chairman and CEO are ready to back the manager's vision (and we stay up, of course) I have no fears that our betters players will stay and want to kick on with our club.
This is the problem. I think players will feel betrayed by the board following the last transfer window where we all but rolled over and surrendered. The lack of foresight by the board in not reinforcing the squad and particularly the defense was staggering. If we do stay up it will be by the skin of our teeth. How is a player supposed to read 'ambition' through those lines?
If any decent offers come in for our better players I suspect they will be off. And frankly you couldn't really blame them, notwithstanding most of us think the manager has potential.
If you really believe that Weimann was hoping that the club would splash cash in January to bring in a better forward player than him so he could go and sit on the bench for the last 4 months of the season then I think you are wrong. Weimann is at the perfect club for this stage of his career. His big decision going forward is do I believe I am good enough to break into the first team at a "giant" club at home or abroad or would I be better served currently getting more 1st team experience at a second tier club like Villa. He deserves much improved terms but he needs to continue playing regularly to develop his game. For that reason he should sign up to a further stint at Villa with a view to moving on half way through if the club fails to progress.
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Anyone know where I can get the "shine bright like a Wiemann" wallpaper? I saw it the other day somewhere and cant find it now
cheers
Try the official website , they have a load of good regularly updated wallpapers.
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QB, I disagree. I think the reason they take the option to go to a big team is because they think and believe they can break into the team and stay there. Thats why they are where they are, belief. I think if they honestly know they are just going to be a benchwarmer, not many of them would take it. They want to play. Thats why they gave up so much of their life to train week in week out
I'd like to believe you are right and daresay there are some players who fit that description but with the money that is on offer it has to turn heads. The gulf between the wages paid at the likes of City and United to the Villa's and Everton's of this world these days is a lot bigger than it was even ten years ago. Nothing should be taken for granted in a footballer's career and the chance to be financially secure for life is one very few would resist in any walk of life in my opinion. That's why there are so few one club men these days. Outside of the very wealthiest clubs who have players who amass three/four hundred games these days? We had Barry and when he left after eleven years he got called a greedy bastard lol.
Loyalty is a trait exclusive to fans. Players and staff have their own personal agendas and that's the way it is.
Yeah and one four year contract at 15K per week ( that's £3.12 million by the way) makes you financially secure for the rest of your life!!
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I reckon they will see the potential at Villa, the ambition of the manager and stay....
As long as the chairman and CEO are ready to back the manager's vision (and we stay up, of course) I have no fears that our betters players will stay and want to kick on with our club.
This is the problem. I think players will feel betrayed by the board following the last transfer window where we all but rolled over and surrendered. The lack of foresight by the board in not reinforcing the squad and particularly the defense was staggering. If we do stay up it will be by the skin of our teeth. How is a player supposed to read 'ambition' through those lines?
If any decent offers come in for our better players I suspect they will be off. And frankly you couldn't really blame them, notwithstanding most of us think the manager has potential.
If you really believe that Weimann was hoping that the club would splash cash in January to bring in a better forward player than him so he could go and sit on the bench for the last 4 months of the season then I think you are wrong. Weimann is at the perfect club for this stage of his career. His big decision going forward is do I believe I am good enough to break into the first team at a "giant" club at home or abroad or would I be better served currently getting more 1st team experience at a second tier club like Villa. He deserves much improved terms but he needs to continue playing regularly to develop his game. For that reason he should sign up to a further stint at Villa with a view to moving on half way through if the club fails to progress.
Of course I don't. I do, however, suspect that some of the players would have been just as amazed and frustrated as a lot of the fans over the lack of activity during the window (particularly regarding the chronically performing defence) when we were clearly in perilous danger of going down (and remain so almost 2 months later). I think the lack of activity was a huge gamble with both the clubs future and the players careers. It doesn't suggest a go forward ambitious club as hinted earlier.
Don't get me wrong, if we don't go down then I think Villa is a very good place to Weiman to develop over the next couple of years. All I'm saying is you may want to paint Villa as some sort of fantastic opportunity at an ambitious go-getting club, but it may be our actions in the last window would leave some players rather unconvinced of that. They certainly did the majority of fans I have spoken to (and from the posts at the end of the window many people on here) That is ALL I am saying - I am not making comment on the relative merits of staying at a club like ours verses going to a club like City, which is an entirely different debate.
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I reckon they will see the potential at Villa, the ambition of the manager and stay....
As long as the chairman and CEO are ready to back the manager's vision (and we stay up, of course) I have no fears that our betters players will stay and want to kick on with our club.
This is the problem. I think players will feel betrayed by the board following the last transfer window where we all but rolled over and surrendered. The lack of foresight by the board in not reinforcing the squad and particularly the defense was staggering. If we do stay up it will be by the skin of our teeth. How is a player supposed to read 'ambition' through those lines?
If any decent offers come in for our better players I suspect they will be off. And frankly you couldn't really blame them, notwithstanding most of us think the manager has potential.
I actually think the opposite would be true. Lambert showed a huge (foolish?) amount of faith in a bunch of young players. I think that naturally made them stronger as a group and gave them all, individually and collectively, greater belief. I'd suggest that most of them probably feel a debt of gratitude to Lambert for not kicking them into touch when he had more than enough justification.
I'm not commenting on whether the policy was right or wrong, more that I doubt it would be a motivation for anyone to leave. If we still had players like Barry/Young/Milner in the squad then the reaction might be different, but with this young squad I think the dynamic would be different and benefit from such faith.
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I'm certain that the reason for our lack of January activity was the manager's belief in the current squad. Whether he's right is something we'll soon find out.
So do you believe more money was available to him then , Dave?
Not a massive amount more. I think that there wasn't enough for the players he wants long-term so he gambled on sticking with what he'd got rather than spending on a short-term fix.
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I'm certain that the reason for our lack of January activity was the manager's belief in the current squad. Whether he's right is something we'll soon find out.
So do you believe more money was available to him then , Dave?
Not a massive amount more. I think that there wasn't enough for the players he wants long-term so he gambled on sticking with what he'd got rather than spending on a short-term fix.
and is that expected to change in the summer?
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Well in the summer we if survive would have the new tv deal plus i would expect transfer movement with the likes of bent probably being sold as well as dunne being out of contract , which those 2 alone would free up a lot in wages .
I'm sure there would be other sales but hope we could keep hold of our best players and bring in three or four quality players to go into the 1st team.
Everything depends on our survival- if we stay up i think we can look forward to a better season next year but if we drop we could lose our better players- lambert took the gamble to go with what he'd got so lets hope for all our sakes it pays off or the repercussions could be dreadful.
I think we should have strengthened the defence in January , even if that meant a short term loan just to get us through the season- the fact dunne was about to return to training as the window ended may have played a big part in his decision to go with what he had.
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I'm pretty sure he wanted Lescott as he flirted with him early on, however, that deal didn't happen.
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Don't forget that stories coming out of Villa Park are that he is not happy with the terms currently being offered, not that he is waiting to see what happens.
Didn't he quash these rumours the other week on twitter? Then went on to state how happy he is at the club. You really are glass half full in the last few weeks peter.
That's my point. We're only haggling over his wage increase as he's definitely due one. On that note I wouldn't imagine they're miles apart. Of course there could be sticking points over clauses.
If Weimann genuinely wanted to go he wouldn't be negotiating a contract. When a player that a club wants to keep is attracting the attention of one of the successful clubs, they are more likely to run their contract down.
I think he's happy here and I think he wants to stay.
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The Inter Milan mumbo jumbo is a bit off-putting. I really hope we keep this kid, he loves the club and quickly became a fan favorite. Don't muck this one up too Randy.
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Maybe the club are waiting to see if we;re still in this division before shelling out mega wages on a promising kid? Sensible in my opinion.
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Sensible for both club and player to wait and see where we are in the summer before finalising things.
I'm hopeful he will stay if we stay up.
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QB, I disagree. I think the reason they take the option to go to a big team is because they think and believe they can break into the team and stay there. Thats why they are where they are, belief. I think if they honestly know they are just going to be a benchwarmer, not many of them would take it. They want to play. Thats why they gave up so much of their life to train week in week out
I'd like to believe you are right and daresay there are some players who fit that description but with the money that is on offer it has to turn heads. The gulf between the wages paid at the likes of City and United to the Villa's and Everton's of this world these days is a lot bigger than it was even ten years ago. Nothing should be taken for granted in a footballer's career and the chance to be financially secure for life is one very few would resist in any walk of life in my opinion. That's why there are so few one club men these days. Outside of the very wealthiest clubs who have players who amass three/four hundred games these days? We had Barry and when he left after eleven years he got called a greedy bastard lol.
Loyalty is a trait exclusive to fans. Players and staff have their own personal agendas and that's the way it is.
Yeah and one four year contract at 15K per week ( that's £3.12 million by the way) makes you financially secure for the rest of your life!!
So doubling, trebling or even quadrupling his salary wouldn't be of any interest? Poor old Ashley Cole nearly crashed his car when Arsenal offered him £10k less than he was expecting.
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I'm pretty sure he wanted Lescott as he flirted with him early on, however, that deal didn't happen.
There's a fair chance that was down to the wages.
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I'm pretty sure he wanted Lescott as he flirted with him early on, however, that deal didn't happen.
There's a fair chance that was down to the wages.
Lescott is a quality player and would interest the majority of premiership clubs. Had he been available at £40k a week then there'd have been loads of offers on the table for him.
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I'm pretty sure he wanted Lescott as he flirted with him early on, however, that deal didn't happen.
There's a fair chance that was down to the wages.
Lescott is a quality player and would interest the majority of premiership clubs. Had he been available at £40k a week then there'd have been loads of offers on the table for him.
Of course, but it suggests to me that there is money available and that our Manager decided not to waste it, unlike MON for example who just kept spunking cash on any old shite he could find.
Weimann will be good for us and I've no doubt that the current atmosphere at the club, along with the planned way forward, will make him sign. He's plenty of time to move on up if he so chooses but right now he'd be mad to; given that this manager has brought him on, given him a great chance and developed him as a player.
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If we stay up I think he'd be mad to leave. I bet that we're a lot better next year and he won't get a more regular starting role at a bigger club now.
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If we stay up I think he'd be mad to leave. I bet that a lot better next year and he won't get a more regular starting role at a bigger club now.
George Boateng said something similar about Benteke on Talk Sport the other day.
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If we stay up I think he'd be mad to leave. I bet that a lot better next year and he won't get a more regular starting role at a bigger club now.
George Boateng said something similar about Benteke on Talk Sport the other day.
The difference between Weimann and benteke is that Weimann has been here from a young age and grew up with a lot players at the club whereas benteke is new to it all- I think Weimann is much more likely to stay and sign a new deal whereas benteke will probably be off should a bigger club come in with an acceptable offer.
I would hope we can keep both for another season at least and then If benteke has a good World Cup we will be in a much better position should he choose to leave - no doubt benteke will get a move to a champions league club when he does leave here but it would be great to keep him as long as possible.
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Weimann is probably more settled and would be more likely to stay. What Boateng was alluring to is that Benteke would better off staying here and playing week in week out. He would progress quicker and become a better player. I don't think either of them imagined they'd score as many as they have. Scott Sinclair thought he was doing the right thing moving on and he's hardly got a game.
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Weimann is probably more settled and would be more likely to stay. What Boateng was alluring to is that Benteke would better off staying here and playing week in week out. He would progress quicker and become a better player. I don't think either of them imagined they'd score as many as they have. Scott Sinclair thought he was doing the right thing moving on and he's hardly got a game.
I agree that benteke would benefit from another year at least with villa- interesting you mention Scott Sinclair as he would i believe be an excellent signing for us in the summer .
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Scott Sinclair thought he was doing the right thing moving on and he's hardly got a game.
I would bet a lot of money that Scott Sinclair still thinks that he did the right thing.
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Well you're a big admirer of Stuart Taylor ;)
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Scott Sinclair thought he was doing the right thing moving on and he's hardly got a game.
I would bet a lot of money that Scott Sinclair still thinks that he did the right thing.
That's probably a lot more to do with him copping off with the big titted ex Corrie actress than he's playing time this season.
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He's a friend-of-a-friend (he was born and raised in Bath) and he's just somebody who sees football as a job and nothing more (see Olof, Luke Moore, Assou-Ekotto). And takes the not-unreasonable view that if someone wants to give him an unfathomable amount of money to watch football matches then that's alright by him.
He was very happy on the seven grand per week that Chelsea were paying him to do nothing, and he's now being paid five times that amount to do very little at Man City.
Whether in supporters' eyes that makes him the worst kind of mercenary is pretty irrelevant - he's not doing it to get half a dozen England caps and become a hero at Swansea or (for example) Villa. He's doing it so that he has enough money to look after him and his family. Best of luck to him as far as I'm concerned.
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Has Andi been on the scoresheet tonight? Watching the Ireland game and the commentator just mentioned that Austria have gone 5-0 up against the Faroes.
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6-0 and he hasn't scored any.
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Tell him to get to fuck with his wage demands then.
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Interesting conversation tonight. I have never posted anything ITK before and I'm not claiming to be one. However he has shown me in the past a letter he got from from krulak asking about his families plight. It don't mean much I know but Its more than I would have got. Anyway make of it what you will'. He told me their are 2 offers on the Table for Andi. one if we stay up and one if we go down. Andi is happy to sign either. Obviously would prefer the former. Also the reception he got from the home fans in Vienna a few years ago bothered him a lot
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He sounds lile he's from Erdington. He is going to sign.
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QB, I disagree. I think the reason they take the option to go to a big team is because they think and believe they can break into the team and stay there. Thats why they are where they are, belief. I think if they honestly know they are just going to be a benchwarmer, not many of them would take it. They want to play. Thats why they gave up so much of their life to train week in week out
I'd like to believe you are right and daresay there are some players who fit that description but with the money that is on offer it has to turn heads. The gulf between the wages paid at the likes of City and United to the Villa's and Everton's of this world these days is a lot bigger than it was even ten years ago. Nothing should be taken for granted in a footballer's career and the chance to be financially secure for life is one very few would resist in any walk of life in my opinion. That's why there are so few one club men these days. Outside of the very wealthiest clubs who have players who amass three/four hundred games these days? We had Barry and when he left after eleven years he got called a greedy bastard lol.
Loyalty is a trait exclusive to fans. Players and staff have their own personal agendas and that's the way it is.
Yeah and one four year contract at 15K per week ( that's £3.12 million by the way) makes you financially secure for the rest of your life!!
So doubling, trebling or even quadrupling his salary wouldn't be of any interest? Poor old Ashley Cole nearly crashed his car when Arsenal offered him £10k less than he was expecting.
Moetvillan, do you think when Wayne Bridge went to Chelsea he honestly thought he was going to dislodge Ashley Cole? Sinclair, where is he going to play at Man City, even when Ballottelli has gone and Aguero is injured? Players move for money and lets be honest, if I got offered a big rise next week in the same kind of work, I would take it. Weimann may hold on and think he should as he will be getting regular football and has an affinity with the club. Benteke, Iam far from sure he will stay
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Moetvillan, do you think when Wayne Bridge went to Chelsea he honestly thought he was going to dislodge Ashley Cole? Sinclair, where is he going to play at Man City, even when Ballottelli has gone and Aguero is injured? Players move for money and lets be honest, if I got offered a big rise next week in the same kind of work, I would take it. Weimann may hold on and think he should as he will be getting regular football and has an affinity with the club. Benteke, Iam far from sure he will stay
Of course they move for money.
I always cringe a bit on here when I hear stuff like "Andi genuinely loves the club". What possible evidence are we basing this on? We don't know what drives him, we don't know what kind of person he is, we don't know what his priorities are.
One thing I do know is that the days of players really, really loving clubs ended about 20 years ago.
I remember someone saying on the day James Milner left, he was going around BMH in tears, yadayada. Yeah, I imagine he was sad. Maybe he still felt sad the next day. But he still went.
Players are human, if one club waves 2m over 4 years at them, and the next waves 8m, how much love do you think they're going to show when making that kind of decision?
If i were a player, and I got offered 2m over 4 years by Villa or 4m over the same period by someone else decent, then so long as the ambitions of the other club were higher than ours (not difficult) I'd take the big money every time, and I'm someone who has this club in his DNA.
End of the day, if you think players make decisions on where they'll play based on "loving the club", then I'm sorry, but you're way too naive.
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Aye.
Seem to recall a few converstions flying around here to the effect that Jimmy was 'different' and wouldn't leave for money (despite him doing just that when he left Newcastle to come back to VP).
It's the age we're in. The best you can hope for is that players on excessive wages deliver a degree of professionalism. In Jimmy's defence, he was a s commited in his last game with us as he was on his debut. Compare and contrast with Yorke, who effectively went on strike at Goodison. Milner could have played within himself, conserved his energy and merely tried to avoid injury. Any kind of knock that he'd picked up in that game with West Ham could have put the kybosh on his big payday.
I can't pretend to know Wiemann's true thoughts on the club, but in his case, coming through the ranks might make him more determined to make a go of things here. He'll have waited a long time to try and make his mark, watched as players he might well have felt were inferior to him edged ahead in the starting XI. Now is his time.
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Not sure about loving the club, but being happy at the club and understanding, from the inside, exactly how the club see the next 3-4 years will have a bearing. The reality is we have a young enough squad that this lot can quite easily play together for 5-6 years with just a few additions of quality to fill things out, If the club are capable of selling it to them that they could be the backbone of a side who can challenge at the top we stand a chance of keeping hold of them all for a few years.
I personally think Weimann will sign. He seems to be really enjoying his football and is improving massively as the season goes on, I think he'll realise that he's better to stay for a year or 2 and get through the, generally telling, tough 2nd season with us. If he comes out of next season having continued his progress he'll be a big name in the league, if he leaves this summer and struggles he could be in the wilderness for a few years. He seems to genuinely enjoy playing football, which works out well for us right now.
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Moetvillan, do you think when Wayne Bridge went to Chelsea he honestly thought he was going to dislodge Ashley Cole?
I don't expect it would have crossed his mind as Bridge joined Chelsea three years before Ashley Cole did ;)
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If Weimann goes he'd be approaching Downing territory as far as I'm concerned. He missed a long time out through injury where the club looked after him, any decent minded person would want to repay some of that before cashing in.
That said, I think this is probably a bit of a storm in a teacup and he'll be here next year.
The flip side is that if, for example, he was at Manu he'd be looking to a loan move to a club like Villa in order to get regular football.
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He's been at the club 5 years and was out for 5 months over 2 years ago. Slight difference to rat boy.
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He's been at the club 5 years and was out for 5 months over 2 years ago. Slight difference to rat boy.
Slight, but he'd still be cashing in at the first opportunity from the club that nurtured him and who clearly don't want to lose him.
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He's been at the club 5 years and was out for 5 months over 2 years ago. Slight difference to rat boy.
Slight, but he'd still be cashing in at the first opportunity from the club that nurtured him and who clearly don't want to lose him.
How about when we do that to clubs by signing Young, Benteke, Lowton, Westwood etc? Do you hold it against those players?
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He's been at the club 5 years and was out for 5 months over 2 years ago. Slight difference to rat boy.
Slight, but he'd still be cashing in at the first opportunity from the club that nurtured him and who clearly don't want to lose him.
How about when we do that to clubs by signing Young, Benteke, Lowton, Westwood etc? Do you hold it against those players?
In the majority of those cases, due to financial reasons, there was a willing seller; a different situation to here. As I said, I reckon that Weimann will stay but if (hypothetically) he left then yes I would hold it against him.
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At a time when the British record transfer was £200k, Vic Crowe reckoned it cost £70k to bring a youth team player through to the first team. It's not as cheap as it seems.
If we are judging players on 'what they owe us', Weimann probably owes something similar to what Downing did.
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Assuming we stay up then Weimann has already paid for the whole academy for years to come even before any transfer fee is taken into account.
And he owes us nothing.
For what it's worth I think, as well as hope, he will stay, but to believe he owes us to stay because he came through the ranks or was injured for 5 months over 2 years ago isn't the case imo.
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Assuming we stay up then Weimann has already paid for the whole academy for years to come even before any transfer fee is taken into account.
And he owes us nothing.
For what it's worth I think, as well as hope, he will stay, but to believe he owes us to stay because he came through the ranks or was injured for 5 months over 2 years ago isn't the case imo.
We'll have to agree to disagree then but to me my mind one decent season after several years of development seems a poor return. That some of our own fans would support it is an even more depressing commentary on the state of the game.
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Assuming we stay up then Weimann has already paid for the whole academy for years to come even before any transfer fee is taken into account.
And he owes us nothing.
For what it's worth I think, as well as hope, he will stay, but to believe he owes us to stay because he came through the ranks or was injured for 5 months over 2 years ago isn't the case imo.
We'll have to agree to disagree then but to me my mind one decent season after several years of development seems a poor return. That some of our own fans would support it is an even more depressing commentary on the state of the game.
I never said I support it, I said he doesn't owe us to stay. There's a difference.
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Assuming we stay up then Weimann has already paid for the whole academy for years to come even before any transfer fee is taken into account.
And he owes us nothing.
For what it's worth I think, as well as hope, he will stay, but to believe he owes us to stay because he came through the ranks or was injured for 5 months over 2 years ago isn't the case imo.
We'll have to agree to disagree then but to me my mind one decent season after several years of development seems a poor return. That some of our own fans would support it is an even more depressing commentary on the state of the game.
I never said I support it, I said he doesn't owe us to stay. There's a difference.
If you measure loyalty in strictly monetary terms then you might be able to make a case that says we break even with him. However, that's accountancy not football and takes no notice of the time and effort invested by many people over his time here to help him get to where he is.
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Monetary wise there is no might be about it. We'll make a massive profit on him. Not just his transfer fee but how much staying up will be worth which his goals will have contributed to.
And what if the club wanted to sell him which according to you is okay when I asked about us signing young players from other clubs. Wouldn't we owe him any loyalty for him leaving his home country at 16 or does it only work one way?
As I said, I hope and want him stay. But not because I think he "owes us" to.
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I would say Weimann owes us at least one more year. He's got his break at the club here. He's had essentially only one full season. If he left now, at his age, at the first sniff of a big move, not only would it be a mistake for him, but it would also show a lack of loyalty on his part IMO. I'm with Mr Smith on this one. We stuck by him through a difficult time and though we've struggled in recent times, it has led to him breaking into the side where at other clubs he may have just slipped by unnoticed in the stiffs.
I think we've been the perfect club for Weimann and the perfect platform for him to get to where he is now. I don't think he'd have the attention of the big clubs if he was plying his trade elsewhere in England, and he'd probably be a complete unknown if he was still in Austria at this point.
That said, he seems like he's got a head on his shoulders and a good attitude. I think he'll realise that it's best to stay here and play a full season here next year rather than warm the bench (if he's lucky) at a bigger club. He's got a hell of a lot of potential but I do suspect a bigger club will want more from him to give him a starting spot. He needs to be quicker, a bit fitter and also to improve his all round game.
It's probably too early for him to make the big move. I'd say it's similar for Benteke. He will have plenty of takers because he's got so much ability, but another season here and another 20 goals would not do him any harm in his development. Fudging off to a club like Man City or whoever and playing the odd game here and there could slow his progress. Benteke is a potential worldy IMO so what happens in the next year is absolutely vital for him. He doesn't want to become another John Carew.
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Assuming we stay up then Weimann has already paid for the whole academy for years to come even before any transfer fee is taken into account.
And he owes us nothing.
For what it's worth I think, as well as hope, he will stay, but to believe he owes us to stay because he came through the ranks or was injured for 5 months over 2 years ago isn't the case imo.
We'll have to agree to disagree then but to me my mind one decent season after several years of development seems a poor return. That some of our own fans would support it is an even more depressing commentary on the state of the game.
I never said I support it, I said he doesn't owe us to stay. There's a difference.
If you measure loyalty in strictly monetary terms then you might be able to make a case that says we break even with him. However, that's accountancy not football and takes no notice of the time and effort invested by many people over his time here to help him get to where he is.
I'm not sure loyalty will come into it, if we stay up I think he will stay. I think playing first team football is vital to him next season. Doubt he would get it at many other clubs, not Inter thats for sure.
He does well after that he will be off (I would if I wasn't a fan)
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I agree with Tom that it would probably be better for his career if he stayed and continued to develop with us. Moving to a "bigger" club and sitting on the bench will be no use to him. At the same time I wonder if Genk fans thought that Benteke was making a big money move too soon, or Watford fans with Young and so on.
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Monetary wise there is no might be about it. We'll make a massive profit on him. Not just his transfer fee but how much staying up will be worth which his goals will have contributed to.
And what if the club wanted to sell him which according to you is okay when I asked about us signing young players from other clubs. Wouldn't we owe him any loyalty for him leaving his home country at 16 or does it only work one way?
As I said, I hope and want him stay. But not because I think he "owes us" to.
The club have offered him an improved contract so there's little to suggest they want to sell him. That particular augment is the reddest of red herrings.
I hope, and expect, that he sees things the same way as I do and will want to repay the club for the time, effort and support they've invested in him. However, this looks like another occasion when I'm out of step with modern football fans.
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Monetary wise there is no might be about it. We'll make a massive profit on him. Not just his transfer fee but how much staying up will be worth which his goals will have contributed to.
And what if the club wanted to sell him which according to you is okay when I asked about us signing young players from other clubs. Wouldn't we owe him any loyalty for him leaving his home country at 16 or does it only work one way?
As I said, I hope and want him stay. But not because I think he "owes us" to.
The club have offered him an improved contract so there's little to suggest they want to sell him. That particular augment is the reddest of red herrings.
I hope, and expect, that he sees things the same way as I do and will want to repay the club for the time, effort and support they've invested in him. However, this looks like another occasion when I'm out of step with modern football fans.
It was of course a hypothetical question, hence the word IF, but nice politician answer. And no need for the modern fan crap either just because someone has a different viewpoint.
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Monetary wise there is no might be about it. We'll make a massive profit on him. Not just his transfer fee but how much staying up will be worth which his goals will have contributed to.
And what if the club wanted to sell him which according to you is okay when I asked about us signing young players from other clubs. Wouldn't we owe him any loyalty for him leaving his home country at 16 or does it only work one way?
As I said, I hope and want him stay. But not because I think he "owes us" to.
The club have offered him an improved contract so there's little to suggest they want to sell him. That particular augment is the reddest of red herrings.
I hope, and expect, that he sees things the same way as I do and will want to repay the club for the time, effort and support they've invested in him. However, this looks like another occasion when I'm out of step with modern football fans.
It was of course a hypothetical question, but nice politician answer. And no need for the modern fan crap either just because someone has a different viewpoint.
But it's not a hypothetical argument as we don't want to sell, so it's a red herring that adds nothing to the debate. It's also an argument you wouldn't have heard from a fan 20-30 years ago so by definition it's a 'modern' thing.
As I said, we should agree to disagree. You're not going to convince me that a promising youngster, that we don't want to sell, clearing off after one half decent season is something that I should regard as acceptable. Similarly, I'm not going to win you round to my point of view.
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Needs to work on his close control. At the moment this is not good enough for a place in one of the top teams and his decision making under pressure needs to improve but hopefully this will come with experience. Personally don't think a top club would come in for him at the moment.
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He needs to work on his all round game, but he'll be a top player.
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I know it's not a hypothetical argument, it's a hypothetical question. If Weimann (or any player) wanted to stay but the club wanted to sell, does loyalty only work one way?
I also never said it was acceptable, you should stop putting words into my mouth. I'm debating the "he should stay because he owes us" line.
He owes us because he was injured for 5 months of his 5 and half years at the club. I don't agree with that.
He owes us monetarily, again he doesn't as we'd make a massive profit.
He owes us as he came through the ranks, which is what i'm debating part of which part is my hypothetical question regarding does loyalty work both ways.
And people have talked about a player owing them for more than 20-30 years. Look at how we still talk about h0dge owing us more 25 years on.
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I know it's not a hypothetical argument, it's a hypothetical question. If Weimann (or any player) wanted to stay but the club wanted to sell, does loyalty only work one way?
I also never said it was acceptable, you should stop putting words into my mouth. I'm debating the "he should stay because he owes us" line.
He owes us because he was injured for 5 months of his 5 and half years at the club. I don't agree with that.
He owes us monetarily, again he doesn't as we'd make a massive profit.
He owes us as he came through the ranks, which is what i'm debating part of which part is my hypothetical question regarding does loyalty work both ways.
And people have talked about a player owing them for more than 20-30 years. Look at how we still talk about h0dge owing us more 25 years on.
Your last line reinforces my point of view. The vast majority of fans think he's a twat because he fucked off at the first opportunity. Now, you'd get people arguing that we're getting decent money so it's fine.
I'm not putting words into your mouth, I'm trying to pin down your argument. I'm saying that him owing us isn't just a monetary issue, it's also about the time and effort we've put into his development.
Your argument about it applying to other youngsters is a reasonable one, but a club can only carry a limited number of players so if they haven't made the grade then they are released. We get nothing for many of them and if we don't get some playing in the first team, from those that we do develop, then you have to question the worth of investing in the academy against just buying players.
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H0dge is primarily considered a twat because of THAT game, not just because he wanted to leave. Same as a lot of people turned on Yorke for his performance at Everton rather than he just wanted to leave. And a lot lost respect for Platt when we found out he spent a year learning Italian while he was with us. So to me that isn't the same.
My argument is simple, what and why does he owe us that we wouldn't owe him if the roles were reversed. I'm not talking about releasing players who aren't deemed good enough, I mean players like Weimann. Young, looks as though he'll be good enough but if we decided to sell for whatever reason why is that okay but him wanting to leave isn't? I'm trying to find out if it's a double standard. And if it is do we overlook it because it benefits our club?
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H0dge is primarily considered a twat because of THAT game, not just because he wanted to leave. Same as a lot of people turned on Yorke for his performance at Everton rather than he just wanted to leave. And a lot lost respect for Platt when we found out he spent a year learning Italian while he was with us. So to me that isn't the same.
My argument is simple, what and why does he owe us that we wouldn't owe him if the roles were reversed. I'm not talking about releasing players who aren't deemed good enough, I mean players like Weimann. Young, looks as though he'll be good enough but if we decided to sell for whatever reason why is that okay but him wanting to leave isn't? I'm trying to find out if it's a double standard. And if it is do we overlook it because it benefits our club?
If we decided to accept a bid, while he's under contract, then he still has the choice to accept it or not. Both sides have options.
Him just refusing to sign a contract leaves us with few options, and all the time and effort we've put into his development is lost.
I think throwing in lots of "what ifs" just clouds the issue. Each case has to be judged on its merits and I stand by my position as stated earlier.
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I hope he stays. I also think he needs to understand that he's far from the finished article yet, too, so has a fair bit of developing and improving yet to do.
He'll get pretty much constant first team football here, at how many of the clubs likely to be interested in him would he get that?
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if we sold him for say 7-8 million, how can this be seen as any sort of 'massive profit' in real terms? We would have lost potentially a top striker for far less than it would cost to buy a replacement, especially as many consider that his value will continue to increase as he develops his game over the next couple of years.
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H0dge is primarily considered a twat because of THAT game, not just because he wanted to leave. Same as a lot of people turned on Yorke for his performance at Everton rather than he just wanted to leave. And a lot lost respect for Platt when we found out he spent a year learning Italian while he was with us. So to me that isn't the same.
My argument is simple, what and why does he owe us that we wouldn't owe him if the roles were reversed. I'm not talking about releasing players who aren't deemed good enough, I mean players like Weimann. Young, looks as though he'll be good enough but if we decided to sell for whatever reason why is that okay but him wanting to leave isn't? I'm trying to find out if it's a double standard. And if it is do we overlook it because it benefits our club?
If we decided to accept a bid, while he's under contract, then he still has the choice to accept it or not. Both sides have options.
Him just refusing to sign a contract leaves us with few options, and all the time and effort we've put into his development is lost.
I think throwing in lots of "what ifs" just clouds the issue. Each case has to be judged on its merits and I stand by my position as stated earlier.
I'm not clouding the issue as i'm not claiming that my question is at all current fact. All i'm doing is asking a pretty simple "what if" question that you don't want to answer for some reason.
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We wouldn't get more than 2-3 million for Weimann, so wether we stay up or go down, I say we keep him, if he doesn't sign, we lose him for free.
But just think what a player of his quality would cost in fees and wages for a one season loan.
Weimann will currently be on less han 10k a week I would have thought, so no matter what do not sell.
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if we sold him for say 7-8 million, how can this be seen as any sort of 'massive profit' in real terms? We would have lost potentially a top striker for far less than it would cost to buy a replacement, especially as many consider that his value will continue to increase as he develops his game over the next couple of years.
The same way that Platt, Yorke, Milner, Young, Barry etc are classed as massive profits. We sold them for far more than the club invested in them regardless of the cost of replacing them with a like for like player.
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He should stay for his own personal development.
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He should stay for his own personal development.
Is what I think as well.
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He's 21 and if his development is on a steeper upward curve than Villa he's got many years where he can move to a team who are more competitive.
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He should stay for his own personal development.
Is what I think as well.
Agreed.
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From the Bitter Birds thread. Deluded twats.
This will make you all giggle:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=550&fid=255&sty=2&act=1&mid=2113153932
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From the Bitter Birds thread. Deluded twats.
This will make you all giggle:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=550&fid=255&sty=2&act=1&mid=2113153932
Where has this 15k a week nonsense come from. He is on nowhere near that at the moment.
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H0dge is primarily considered a twat because of THAT game, not just because he wanted to leave. Same as a lot of people turned on Yorke for his performance at Everton rather than he just wanted to leave. And a lot lost respect for Platt when we found out he spent a year learning Italian while he was with us. So to me that isn't the same.
My argument is simple, what and why does he owe us that we wouldn't owe him if the roles were reversed. I'm not talking about releasing players who aren't deemed good enough, I mean players like Weimann. Young, looks as though he'll be good enough but if we decided to sell for whatever reason why is that okay but him wanting to leave isn't? I'm trying to find out if it's a double standard. And if it is do we overlook it because it benefits our club?
If we decided to accept a bid, while he's under contract, then he still has the choice to accept it or not. Both sides have options.
Him just refusing to sign a contract leaves us with few options, and all the time and effort we've put into his development is lost.
I think throwing in lots of "what ifs" just clouds the issue. Each case has to be judged on its merits and I stand by my position as stated earlier.
I'm not clouding the issue as i'm not claiming that my question is at all current fact. All i'm doing is asking a pretty simple "what if" question that you don't want to answer for some reason.
I've made my feelings on the matter pretty clear. Nothing you have said has made reconsider and I can't be arsed to indulge in pointless "what ifs".
If he leaves I'll think he's a twat but I don't think he will.
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Wouldn't it have been quicker to just answer the question rather than make all the posts saying you won't answer it? :P ;D
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P.s. Great to see you back being an obstinate bugger Chris! :)
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P.s. Great to see you back being an obstinate bugger Chris! :)
Ha.
I was just thinking I must be feeling better to get into this. That and too much time on my hands with all my plans blown out because of the snow.
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P.s. Great to see you back being an obstinate bugger Chris! :)
Ha.
I was just thinking I must be feeling better to get into this. That and too much time on my hands with all my plans blown out because of the snow.
I was thinking the same the other day that chris smith has returned to his normal manner - glad to see you feeling better chris :)
All we need now is a rampant gnasher and all will be well with the world!
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Going to Liverpool £5 mil, is the latest news.
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He better fucking not be.
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Going to Liverpool £5 mil, is the latest news.
Got a link to the story?
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Going to Liverpool £5 mil, is the latest news.
When you say 'news', you really mean "Twatter bollocks" don't you?
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http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/23/liverpool-close-on-andreas-weimann-as-aston-villa-contract-talks-stall-3556583/?
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http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/23/liverpool-close-on-andreas-weimann-as-aston-villa-contract-talks-stall-3556583/?
Utter rubbish-nothing to worry to about here , lazy journalism.
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http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/23/liverpool-close-on-andreas-weimann-as-aston-villa-contract-talks-stall-3556583/?
Utter rubbish-nothing to worry to about here , lazy journalism.
Your positivity is yet to rub off on me. Although, I can't see him going to Liverpool unless they are selling Suarez ( who seems to want off)
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Anyone else notice how these stories often appear just as we are about to play the clubs in question?
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http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/23/liverpool-close-on-andreas-weimann-as-aston-villa-contract-talks-stall-3556583/?
Utter rubbish-nothing to worry to about here , lazy journalism.
Your positivity is yet to rub off on me. Although, I can't see him going to Liverpool unless they are selling Suarez ( who seems to want off)
Nothing will be sorted until the end of the season and Weimann himself said the stories in the press about him turning down a new contract is rubbish- talks will be concluded when the season ends, if we stay up i think he will sign a new deal with a decent pay rise.
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The club should advise all players and their agents that they will not discuss contracts whilst we are in the midst of a massive relegation battle. The club should also advise the players that any discussions over contracts will take place immediately after the end of the season, rather than waiting until players return for preseason training. A press release of the same would not go amiss either.
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The club should advise all players and their agents that they will not discuss contracts whilst we are in the midst of a massive relegation battle. The club should also advise the players that any discussions over contracts will take place immediately after the end of the season, rather than waiting until players return for preseason training. A press release of the same would not go amiss either.
They can "advise" the agents all they like, don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference to them
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The club should advise all players and their agents that they will not discuss contracts whilst we are in the midst of a massive relegation battle. The club should also advise the players that any discussions over contracts will take place immediately after the end of the season, rather than waiting until players return for preseason training. A press release of the same would not go amiss either.
Agreed.
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http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/23/liverpool-close-on-andreas-weimann-as-aston-villa-contract-talks-stall-3556583/?
Utter rubbish-nothing to worry to about here , lazy journalism.
Your positivity is yet to rub off on me. Although, I can't see him going to Liverpool unless they are selling Suarez ( who seems to want off)
I wonder if they'll get Wormtongue Downing to try and tempt him.
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The club should advise all players and their agents that they will not discuss contracts whilst we are in the midst of a massive relegation battle. The club should also advise the players that any discussions over contracts will take place immediately after the end of the season, rather than waiting until players return for preseason training. A press release of the same would not go amiss either.
They can "advise" the agents all they like, don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference to them
It would be a bit of a one way conversation.
It would put paid to rumours of plays not being happy with what the club is offering. Which probably is more upsetting for the fans than the player in question.
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My own view is that all this stuff about players moving has much more to do with agents (laughably also known as 'advisors') as it has to do with the players themselves. They stand to make a small fortune from their player moving and the 'I know what's best for you' approach usually works. Footballers are paid to play football and their agents are paid to make as much money out of the game as they can - parasites.
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I suppose the good thing in that piece, was they think they can get him cheap at £5m. Means he's valued higher
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The metro have probably just copied it from somewhere else. Nothing to see here :)
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He would fetch about 7 million I reckon if sold. It would not represent good value considering the time and effort we have put in, wages spent and so on.
I would also be in Chris' camp, if he left at the first opportunity I would see him much like the rat Downing. He had a couple of pretty ordinary loan spells away, and truth be told was touch and go to make it here until this season. As such, he should stay and carry on learning and getting better. The same goes for Benteke for 12 more months, who also should consider that losing their places in their club sides if they follow the £ may see them not start at the world cup next summer, at which if they play well the £ may be exponentially higher afterwards.
As for that Albion site. If we stay up I would bet a lot of money on us finishing back above them next season, the deluded arseholes. Steve Clark is Alex McLeish in a different suit. Seen nothing from Albion in the second half of the season that makes me think they are anything special.
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Andreas Weimann is a major target for German club Borussia Dortmund, writes the Sunday People.
Aston Villa’s 11-goal striker has caught the eye of a host of Premier League clubs including Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal.
With just a year left on his contract at the end of the season, Weimann, 21, could have his pick of top teams this summer – whether Villa survive or not in their drop-zone battle.
The Austria star wants to see what happens in the relegation scrap before committing to the Villains, even though the club are desperate for him to stay.
Kop boss Brendan Rodgers is a confirmed admirer of the forward and will make a move after Fabio Borini’s lack of impact at Anfield.
North London rivals Arsene Wenger and Andre Villas-Boas both like Weimann, but the keen interest from Dortmund could blow them out of contention.
With Pep Guardiola ready to take charge of Bayern Munich this summer, Dortmund know they have to react in the transfer market, especially with Polish hitman Robert Lewandowski – a Manchester United target – ready to quit the club.
Weimann has been on Dortmund’s radar all season and with just 12 months left on his Villa contract the cash-conscious Germans are keen on striking a bargain deal this summer.
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert is preparing a summer move for Celtic striker Gary Hooper.
The 25-year-old enters the final year of his Bhoys deal in July and is unlikely to sign an extension.
So Celtic will have to sell him at the end of the season, or risk losing him for nothing in another 12 months’ time.
Hooper was the subject of several bids from Norwich in January and Tottenham boss Andre Villas-Boas made a personal check on him during that transfer window.
Celtic were desperate to hold on to Hooper while they remained in the Champions League and stood firm on their asking price – with £8million now expected to land the forward, who cost £2.4m from Scunthorpe in 2010.
Fulham and Sunderland are also fans of Hooper, while Villa see him as the perfect foil for Christian Benteke, who is interesting Inter Milan.
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So that's Norwich, Inter Milan, Liverpool and now Dortmund.. Well, let's hope this kid loves the club like he says he does.
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FFS, it doesn't even wait until the end of the season anymore. First bit of optimism in years and this shite starts.
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I'd be gutted if he left. I agree with Ozzjim that overall he still has a lot to prove but he looks to have so much potential (in a better way than Albrighton did a few years back)
If he left for Liverpool it would be annoying but more worrying is that it would send out a signal that we are like Wigan in stature - a club that survives and then sells the better players that helped them survive. This would then repeat every year and we will never progress.
If he left for Norwich well that would be ridiculous.
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Due to his age, don't we get a fee set by tribunal if he goes at the end of his contract? If so I think we need to make a stand on this one. We can't continue to sell the best players every summer.
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Liverpool got Caroll, Struddige and Luis for strikers They don't need more strikers, they need to sort out the defence and midfield.
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That Metro article is the biggest load of horseshit, with it saying a friend of a friend; the Austrian press told me that somebody had told them that somebody was leaking information to Rogers. Erm, ok.
Mind you, at least the Metro pretends it has a source. The People just lists clubs.
Utter bollocks.
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Funny that this comes out just before a big game with Liverpool. They are doing their best to unsettle the lad.
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Funny that this comes out just before a big game with Liverpool. They are doing their best to unsettle the lad.
Personally if It were me playing, I'd be playing very well because its just like a job interview/assessment situation.
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I agree that that would be how some people would react. When Gareth Barry went through this it had the opposite effect. Harry will be loving this. Villa could sort it out to stop the nonsense.
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That Metro article is the biggest load of horseshit, with it saying a friend of a friend; the Austrian press told me that somebody had told them that somebody was leaking information to Rogers. Erm, ok.
Mind you, at least the Metro pretends it has a source. The People just lists clubs.
Utter bollocks.
There was one paper last week who reckoned Blackburn had Benitez on their shortlist which made me chuckle. I don't know how they get away with writing such shite.
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I'm taking no notice of any of this shit.
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I'm taking no notice of any of this shit.
Neither am i, nothing to worry about in this story whatsoever-.i prefer to believe Weimann and he tweeted the stories in the press last month were all rubbish .
The latest ridiculous story being apparently reported is that Sunderland are targeting moyes to replace o Neill- tomorrow's chip paper!
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Funny that this comes out just before a big game with Liverpool. They are doing their best to unsettle the lad.
Personally if It were me playing, I'd be playing very well because its just like a job interview/assessment situation.
Downing had one of his best games for us and scored the winner against the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' in a similar situation.
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Funny that this comes out just before a big game with Liverpool. They are doing their best to unsettle the lad.
Personally if It were me playing, I'd be playing very well because its just like a job interview/assessment situation.
Downing had one of his best games for us and scored the winner against the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' in a similar situation.
This isn't really a similar situation. A couple of years back Villa were readily dismantling the O'Neill team whilst liverpool had loads of Torres money burning a hole in their pocket. This time around, liverpool don't have huge money to burn and Villa are well on the way to building a half decent young side. The situations at both clubs are now quite different. I've looked at one or two liverpool forums and whilst the general consensus is they rate Weimann very highly, they don't believe for one second they could get him - and they are right.
As others have said: file under "horseshite".
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Weimann will be a top player and one of our most pressing priorities is to get him tied down to a long term contract.
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He's 21, has a good attitude, good ability, good aptitude, dedicated, professional footballer.
Pay him 30/40/50k per week, and give him a 5/6 yr contract.For me hes worth it.One of those 7/10 every game players like Milner.
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As a striker he's going to be better than a 7/10 player every week.
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Would'nt disagree PW, but hes a consistent kind of player, a la Milner, and so to my mind worth a good, long deal.
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Would'nt disagree PW, but hes a consistent kind of player, a la Milner, and so to my mind worth a good, long deal.
Definitely agree with that, he's earned it and it should be a priority.
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He's 21, has a good attitude, good ability, good aptitude, dedicated, professional footballer.
Pay him 30/40/50k per week, and give him a 5/6 yr contract.For me hes worth it.One of those 7/10 every game players like Milner.
Agreed - the uncertainty of the club's status is the one thing holding the club back from cutting a deal like this.
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I'd like Villa to introduce more performance based pay deals. Weimann's form recently has been incredible but it was only a few months ago where he was average. He could easily do an Albrighton, especially once defenders get to know his game better.
I think a 25k basic should suffice, plus additions if he plays/scores/wins.
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Stay up and keep both Weimann ans Benteke and I'll be one very excited supporter.
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
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I hope he sign's a new contract with us I would like to keep him.
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It's one of the more predictable things in life that as soon as one of our youngsters stalls over his contract he starts being described in the press as one of our better players that it will 'rock' us to see go.
My own fault but I was listening to Talkspurt yesterday, in an unguarded moment, and someone doing a Mickey Quinn impression was talking about how we'd be down already if it wasn't for Weimann and Benteke. No doubt alerted to Weimann's existence by Liverpool's alleged interest, he seems to have forgotten that a month and a half ago he was one of the same wittering gobshites that couldn't understand why we weren't playing Darren Bent.
FWIW I've enjoyed watching Weimann this season, even if it always seems slightly surprising when he scores one of those great goals of his. Since the reserve days he's kept learning and looks like he'll keep on doing. Somehow, his gifts bar shooting don't seem entirely natural and unforced but, if anything, that just makes him more likeable as a player.
It'd be good to see him stay and I think he will, whatever the jibber jabberers say in the coming weeks.
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
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I don't get this,'you'd be down if it wasn't for...' (your players as it turns out). Or in the case of QPR, 'We should have been 4 up at half-time if it hadn't have been for their keeper'. Which islike saying 'we would have been 0-0 at half-time if they hadn't have scored 10'. (or, for Risso, '...hadn't of scored 10...')
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
Bennett needs replacing. Utter shite.
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I don't get this,'you'd be down if it wasn't for...' (your players as it turns out). Or in the case of QPR, 'We should have been 4 up at half-time if it hadn't have been for their keeper'. Which islike saying 'we would have been 0-0 at half-time if they hadn't have scored 10'. (or, for Risso, '...hadn't of scored 10...')
I know. It's a total "If my aunty had bollocks..." argument, and it's utterly ridiculous.
"If you didn't have any hands, you wouldn't be able to write!"
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
Bennett needs replacing. Utter shite.
I think he will be fine , shown signs of promise and much better in a flat back four - needs to work on his defensive side a bit but i don't think we need to worry of much about him, a lot of our players will have gained much experience from this season and be better for it next season.
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
Bennett needs replacing. Utter shite.
I think there's more there than "utter shite"; even if as a left-sided MF. I agree that there's a need for a more competent LB, though.
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Bennett isn't utter shite, I think he'll come good. I'm not sure in what position yet, but he'll be ok.
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Bennett isn't utter shite, I think he'll come good. I'm not sure in what position yet, but he'll be ok.
Fair enough. I've not seen anything from him that convinces me he's good enough. Not consistently anyway. Definitely not the standard required for us, let alone Prem level.
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Bennett isn't utter shite, I think he'll come good. I'm not sure in what position yet, but he'll be ok.
Can't argue. Quick feet, good pace, decent cross on him. But not on this or any other planet is he a full-back. One to file under "Potentially Exciting".
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
Bennett needs replacing. Utter shite.
everton bought baines from wigan for £6m and stuck him on the bench for 18 months to learn his trade. you wouldnt swap many left backs for him now would you? i bet the toffee fans who couldnt see anything at all were saying he is utter shit, get rid!
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
Bennett needs replacing. Utter shite.
everton bought baines from wigan for £6m and stuck him on the bench for 18 months to learn his trade. you wouldnt swap many left backs for him now would you? i bet the toffee fans who couldnt see anything at all were saying he is utter shit, get rid!
Sorry, are we talking about Bennett or Baines?
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
Bennett needs replacing. Utter shite.
everton bought baines from wigan for £6m and stuck him on the bench for 18 months to learn his trade. you wouldnt swap many left backs for him now would you? i bet the toffee fans who couldnt see anything at all were saying he is utter shit, get rid!
Sorry, are we talking about Bennett or Baines?
you understand the comparison.
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Baines was £6m? Crikey. That wheeler deal DWhelan certainly knows how to get a good price. When will the Zog be worth £10m ever again?
Bainesy has proved more than worth it plus he has a great haircut and taste in music.
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you understand the comparison
So because Baines got lots better it means that Bennett DEFINITELY will?
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you understand the comparison
So because Baines got lots better it means that Bennett DEFINITELY will?
surely you can see that from the first game that bennett has played up intil the present time there has been a marked improvement in performance. my analogy with baines is that he should be probably be kept on the sidelines learning his trade, but he has been in at the deep end alot and his maistakes have been magnified. i feel there is a very good technically gifted player there now but doesnt have the know how particulary at this present time.
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Add in a creative player with a good delivery, defensive midfielder, centre half and we are in for a much better campaign next term.
Still think we need a first team LB. Bennet needs to beef up and improve his positional sense he looks very lightweight but think he will come good over time. Survival is key as to who we bring in ........
Bennett needs replacing. Utter shite.
I think he will be fine , shown signs of promise and much better in a flat back four - needs to work on his defensive side a bit but i don't think we need to worry of much about him, a lot of our players will have gained much experience from this season and be better for it next season.
I think/hope Lescott could be one of those 2 for 1 signings. He will add experience and ability to our defence but he also adds a bit of versatility. He can play centre back and left back which will mean the development of Clark/Baker/Bennet are not impeded too much, crucially it also means they can get taken out of the firing line when needed.
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you understand the comparison
So because Baines got lots better it means that Bennett DEFINITELY will?
surely you can see that from the first game that bennett has played up intil the present time there has been a marked improvement in performance. my analogy with baines is that he should be probably be kept on the sidelines learning his trade, but he has been in at the deep end alot and his maistakes have been magnified. i feel there is a very good technically gifted player there now but doesnt have the know how particulary at this present time.
The thing is that he's had enough time, even shown some flashes of being a good player, but has been found lacking. Hopefully we'll get a proper LB and he can maybe to go out on loan. I really think he's out of his depth.
Aaaannnyway; Andreas Weimann, lets hope he signs.
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you understand the comparison
So because Baines got lots better it means that Bennett DEFINITELY will?
surely you can see that from the first game that bennett has played up intil the present time there has been a marked improvement in performance. my analogy with baines is that he should be probably be kept on the sidelines learning his trade, but he has been in at the deep end alot and his maistakes have been magnified. i feel there is a very good technically gifted player there now but doesnt have the know how particulary at this present time.
The thing is that he's had enough time, even shown some flashes of being a good player, but has been found lacking. Hopefully we'll get a proper LB and he can maybe to go out on loan. I really think he's out of his depth.
Aaaannnyway; Andreas Weimann, lets hope he signs.
this is exactly why i used the baines analogy. everton fans and manager showed flashes but no consistency, but they persevered and look what they got now.
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If we had had somebody good enough to teach him his trade we would not have needed to buy him in the first place. In a perfect world players can be eased into a regular starting team place but the thing nobody has in the Premiership is time. The Black Hole we fell into over Christmas lasted what? Six weeks? Two months? That is all it takes to set a club back twenty years.
If we had kept the Chelsea game to 4-0 and the Spurs game to 2-0 we would have got a draw out of the Wigan game and be presently virtually safe. But we didn't. Bish, bash, bosh for nil against fifteen. In less time than it takes to say Founded in 1874.
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I agree that Bennett has some good ball skills. He's not good enough defensively to be first choice at the moment. But it is possible to learn. Ashley Cole didn't used to be able to defend.
That doesn't mean that I or anyone else is predicting he will be a great player for us. But I don't see why anyone would give up on him yet.
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I agree that Bennett has some good ball skills. He's not good enough defensively to be first choice at the moment. But it is possible to learn. Ashley Cole didn't used to be able to defend.
That doesn't mean that I or anyone else is predicting he will be a great player for us. But I don't see why anyone would give up on him yet.
Exactly, at the moment we're not able to sign players who are the finished article so we're buying potential.
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Bennett in my mind isn't up to it in terms of first choice in his position, he's just not good enough - yet.
I agree with Chris, re buying potential, but I think with some of the players, we're kind of forcing the issue - either you sink or you swim, because more often than not, you're going to be thrown into it.
That concerns me a bit - ie that we're the wrong side of the fine balance between buying and nurturing potential, and wrecking it.
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wasn't Bale crap for about 18 months?
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wasn't Bale crap for about 18 months?
I am pretty sure that, a year plus after he joined them, there was a stat that said Spurs had never won a match which he had started.
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Dennis Mortimer had a very poor start with us when he joined from Coventry and then improved dramatically.
Bennett like Delph has fast feet. He is going to make it in time. The club will need to persevere with him.
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The bindippers are after him this summer allegedly. We need to get him signed up as priority número uno
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wasn't Bale crap for about 18 months?
I am pretty sure that, a year plus after he joined them, there was a stat that said Spurs had never won a match which he had started.
I remember him being linked with a 3 million pound move to small heath at one point
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The bindippers are after him this summer allegedly. We need to get him signed up as priority número uno
Yes, we've gone from Inter Milan to Dortmund to Racist FC. Tomorrow it will be Wigan, Wednesday Barnsley and by next weekend Coventry on a free.
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My mum loves Joe Bennett.. That's good enough for me.
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Bennett in my mind isn't up to it in terms of first choice in his position, he's just not good enough - yet.
I agree with Chris, re buying potential, but I think with some of the players, we're kind of forcing the issue - either you sink or you swim, because more often than not, you're going to be thrown into it.
That concerns me a bit - ie that we're the wrong side of the fine balance between buying and nurturing potential, and wrecking it.
I agree on the bottom line but this is where good scouting and coaching becomes important. If these guys are going to hit the peak of their potential they need to take the negatives from this season and work out what to do about them. If they can do that and come back knowing they can cope with situations next year and mentally prepared to 'go again' then they'll be fine. If they can't get beyond them then they're not going to make it at this level. This mental toughness is really important in the development years for players. To get as far as they have suggests there is an element of that self-belief there, the coaches, etc just need to help them build on that.
Weimann (to be topic) is a great example of the mental strength you want in a young player, he just doesn't seem to let things get him down, if things go badly he gives another 2% to make up for it. It's that attitude that has made him so popular with the fans and that leads to him being so influential at times.
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Weimann (to be topic) is a great example of the mental strength you want in a young player, he just doesn't seem to let things get him down, if things go badly he gives another 2% to make up for it. It's that attitude that has made him so popular with the fans and that leads to him being so influential at times.
And, it appears, Gardner Jnr also seems to have this innate mental toughness ...
Westie has done amazingly to step up from Crewe to P'ship; perhaps a good sign re his personal resilience and mental toughness.
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Weimann (to be topic) is a great example of the mental strength you want in a young player, he just doesn't seem to let things get him down, if things go badly he gives another 2% to make up for it. It's that attitude that has made him so popular with the fans and that leads to him being so influential at times.
And, it appears, Gardner Jnr also seems to have this innate mental toughness ...
Westie has done amazingly to step up from Crewe to P'ship; perhaps a good sign re his personal resilience and mental toughness.
Absolutely, I'd say the same about Baker, Delph, Lowton and Bannan as well. I think Clark has struggled a little more but he's had a lot more on his shoulders than the rest with being made captain during his first real extended run in the side but I think that suggests that he's probably the strongest of the lot, I know a lot of people on here like to give him shit and would happily sell him but I think he's shown a hell of a lot of will to make it through this season and i think he'll come out of it a much better defender.
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Bennett in my mind isn't up to it in terms of first choice in his position, he's just not good enough - yet.
I agree with Chris, re buying potential, but I think with some of the players, we're kind of forcing the issue - either you sink or you swim, because more often than not, you're going to be thrown into it.
That concerns me a bit - ie that we're the wrong side of the fine balance between buying and nurturing potential, and wrecking it.
I agree on the bottom line but this is where good scouting and coaching becomes important. If these guys are going to hit the peak of their potential they need to take the negatives from this season and work out what to do about them. If they can do that and come back knowing they can cope with situations next year and mentally prepared to 'go again' then they'll be fine. If they can't get beyond them then they're not going to make it at this level. This mental toughness is really important in the development years for players. To get as far as they have suggests there is an element of that self-belief there, the coaches, etc just need to help them build on that.
Weimann (to be topic) is a great example of the mental strength you want in a young player, he just doesn't seem to let things get him down, if things go badly he gives another 2% to make up for it. It's that attitude that has made him so popular with the fans and that leads to him being so influential at times.
I agree, but I think there's a difference between having lots of promising players and having a promising team. You can have eleven promising, young players who are eager to learn, but throw them all together into the team at the same time, and it doesn't mean you're going to get a decent, promising team out of it.
I think we got that balance wrong too often this season - I appreciate the point, that it was frequently injuries that forced us to do that, but having more experienced players to come in would have helped with that.
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Absolutely, I'd say the same about Baker, Delph, Lowton and Bannan as well. I think Clark has struggled a little more but he's had a lot more on his shoulders than the rest with being made captain during his first real extended run in the side but I think that suggests that he's probably the strongest of the lot, I know a lot of people on here like to give him shit and would happily sell him but I think he's shown a hell of a lot of will to make it through this season and i think he'll come out of it a much better defender.
Interesting that Clark has looked very good for the RoI in his last two outings.
In this era where many teams play only one out-and-out striker CC will definitely come into his own and this season will have been a large part of his development. If he can be partnered with a really strong and confident CB next season (and this may be Vlaar), there is huge reason to be optimistic about him.
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I think the vast majority of players that have been in the side this season will improve and learn from the toughest of times.
Even the Chelsea game was a good lesson and though the manager was criticised for not changing the system/approach to reduce the absolute thumping we got, the players will have continued to learn and develop as a result. They will have learned far more from that than they would if Chelsea had settled for a 3 or 4-0 win and coasted for the rest of the game.
Weimann has been great so far and works very hard at his game. He's part of a squad of players that are going through things together and have done for years (think of Clark, Bannan, Baker, Lichaj, Herd, all coming through the youth and reserve teams together) and perhaps he would like to see how he gets on for another year or two.
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That thing gave his height as 6'2. That can't be right?
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I've just entertained myself by replacing andi with emile heskey and imagining the outcome of each of those goals.
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That thing gave his height as 6'2. That can't be right?
Apparently so, whoscored.com is usually pretty reliable for anything like this and they have him as 188cm, I was pretty surprised by that myself as he looks quite a bit shorter.
From the video:
The goals against liverpool and man u have got to be 1 and 2 in our goals of the season, Benteke's part in each is exceptional and they're both wonderful first time finishes, the Man U in particular is a clean a strike as you'll ever see.
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He's not that tall.
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The official site says he is, I think it's fairly safe to assume they're not making it up...
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/PlayerProfiles/0,,10265~48298,00.html
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It's a conspiracy to get more money for him. He's actually shorter than Barry Bannan.
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are we charging by the pound? Dunne's worth a fortune!!
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I line 'em up.........
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The goals against liverpool and man u have got to be 1 and 2 in our goals of the season, Benteke's part in each is exceptional and they're both wonderful first time finishes, the Man U in particular is a clean a strike as you'll ever see.
They were nice, but we've had a good season as far as scoring good goals in concerned.
I'd add in Lowton's against Swansea, Benteke's against West Brom and his header against Everton and Gabby's against Reading (the build-up rather than the finish).
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The finish was pretty sweet too at Reading. I would add Charlie's against West Ham.
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The goals against liverpool and man u have got to be 1 and 2 in our goals of the season, Benteke's part in each is exceptional and they're both wonderful first time finishes, the Man U in particular is a clean a strike as you'll ever see.
They were nice, but we've had a good season as far as scoring good goals in concerned.
I'd add in Lowton's against Swansea, Benteke's against West Brom and his header against Everton and Gabby's against Reading (the build-up rather than the finish).
I agree, I just think those 2 show just what we can become if we can kep this team together, both lovely team goals scored by a 21 year old with assists from 22 year old. The Man U in particular highlights the best of both of them perfectly, Brilliant composure, pace and strength from Benteke and perfect movement and a sweet strike from Weimann, it's just a lovely goal to watch. If it had come for the other team in that match it would have been shown thousands of times over to highlight how great they are.
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The cross and cushioned header for our third at Everton was sexual healing.
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He is a very natural goal scorer, potentially a villa great given time or worst case if we sign up a lot of money!
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The cross and cushioned header for our third at Everton was sexual healing.
Absolutely, we actually haven't scored many 'bread and butter' goals this season, that's one of the reasons our goals for column is a bit low, we've scored great goals or struggled to make chances.
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The only downside to his game this season has been some of the easy chances he should have put away but for a player his age that's understandable i suppose.
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The only downside to his game this season has been some of the easy chances he should have put away but for a player his age that's understandable i suppose.
That can be said about all strikers, cole, shearer, benteke, bent , even van persie have all missed sitters- in fact probably benteke has missed more sitters than andi but its the fact they are getting in positions which is good- finishing will improve with age and confidence - I'm delighted with him this season.
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Grauniad Rumours has B Dortmund chasing our Andi today ...
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I'm not knocking Andi, he's been fantastic. He does have a knack of scoring belters and missing easy chances but that'll change over time i'm sure. His workrate must make him a nightmare to mark.
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Did he go off through injury?
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Yes and I hope it's not serious, because we're knackered without him.
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Can see him and Benteke both going this summer whatever Lambert wants. Apart from the chance to better themselves i'd imagine putting us in a winning position each game only for the fuckwitts at the back to mess it up would become tiresome after a while
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I think if we can prove some ambition then we might be able to keep both for next season at least. But we would have to make a couple of marquee signings very early in the summer to prove this or they'll be gone by August.
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Weimann is much more likely to stay than Benteke if we go down, that's for sure.
Again a worry I have is he isn't starting for Austria yet so he could well think a season in the championship will not be benefical for this especially if they make the world cup.
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Weimann definetely won't be here if we go down. And nor should he. Too good for the Championship and too much interest in him now.
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Weimann definetely won't be here if we go down. And nor should he. Too good for the Championship and too much interest in him now.
Liove positive thinking lol
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Weimann definetely won't be here if we go down. And nor should he. Too good for the Championship and too much interest in him now.
Promising but this is his first real season. He would struggle at the present time to get into teams in the top half of the table. He needs games to improve and would therefore be stupid to push for a move to a better team. He should sign an extension to his contract, work on becoming an automatic choice in the team and look to continuing to try an improve as a player. He has time on his side.
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He's not leaving.
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Whether he'd make a fuss to leave is debatable. I think he's not that sort of player to be honest (yet). However, if clubs are sniffing round him and offer a decent fee, then Randy will sell him. Have no doubts about that. If we stay up, and Lambert, or whoever is in charge, is adament we need to add to what we have and keep our key talent, we may keep both Benteke and Weimann (perhaps just Andy).
If we go down I'm 110% expecting that Weimann would be sold to the first decent bid that comes along, even if he didn't want to leave.
We're a selling club folks. If we're down we'll have little choice but to cash in on our better players either, because we'll take a huge financial smack in the balls.
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I don't see how it is in his interest to stay at a Championship club. He will have enough offers to pick and choose an offer that will be right for him.
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And the club will sell him before he's had time to blink.
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Again looked good today even though he didn't get his one golden chance on target in the second half - busy AND creative.
The injury seemed to follow on from the first half where he harried and chased the ball on the touchline (can the midfield take note please) and ended up doing the splits - came away feeling the back of his thigh and gingerly running it off.
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midfield needs to support the strikers more . Do defensive ;(
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He was poor today imho
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He was poor today imho
yeah he was, but he should be allowed to be poor occasionally. He's a kid, and him , Benteke and Guzan have basically carried us for most of the sodding season. If Lambert ever gets 5 players playing well for 90 minutes we could be scary.
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Just because some tabloids say that a young player in his first full season in the Prem is attracting top clubs, doesn't mean it's true.
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He was poor today imho
yeah he was, but he should be allowed to be poor occasionally. He's a kid, and him , Benteke and Guzan have basically carried us for most of the sodding season. If Lambert ever gets 5 players playing well for 90 minutes we could be scary.
I didnt suggest otherwise, but he was poor today. Maybe Lambert needs a bit more time and help from the chairman
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The encouraging thing for me is that Weimann and even Benteke aren't quite good enough for most top clubs. So that increases the likelihood of them staying with us.
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Benteke not good enough for top clubs? Hmm, I think two in North London would willingly take him over Adebayor and Gervinho or whoever misfires for Arsenal these days.
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Benteke will be, and I agree the north London clubs could be interested. But would you spend the £25m we'll ask for on the basis of his performances against the Manchester clubs, spurs, Chelsea and arsenal, if you wanted to win things next year? Not sure.
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I think Benteke is not good enough to start for the Manchester clubs. Other then that, he could get into any team in the league. Currently an improvement on Defoe, Adebayor for Spuds; Torres, Ba for Chelski; Giroud, Gervinho for Arsenal; Jelavic for Everton etc.
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Weimann tends to have a stinker once every 5 games, he's been great these last few weeks.
Hope the injury he had yesterday isn't too bad, we need him in the run in.
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Just read the Telegraph article (www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9965746/.html). Should be in contention for Stoke thankfully.
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Good to hear, we badly need him playing.
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Great news.
We need his bustling industry and muscle against those cloggers.
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So Andy is going to another prem team, unless villa do enough to make him want to stay. According to his agent. Important player and a must keep IMO.
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We should tie him down to a deal.
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Looks likes he's off..
http://app.caughtoffside.com/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.caughtoffside.com%2Ftags%2Fpremier-league%2Farsenal%2F#article/caughtoffside-145503
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I haven't read the article but if it's caughtoffside I wouldn't worry.
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I thought that but it's quoting his agent.
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Think his agent may be doing a bit of posturing with the intention of getting his client a new deal. I like Weimann a lot, but really feel at this time he is better staying at Villa and really learning his trade. I am not sure he is ready for the top 5 clubs yet, but am sure he will continue to improve
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Come to Villa park! The best shop window in the Prem! Guaranteed to get you into your international team. Followed by a lucrative move and a spell on a top teams bench..
Can't really blame the players, but it makes you lose the faith as a fan.
I hope he signs up, we have supported him whilst injured for a long time. He owes us a couple of seasons IMO.
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Andreas is one of quite a few players who has raised his profile as we improved this year. We now have to face the press speculation telling us they are all off. Some posturing from the agents but my guess is none of the players we want to keep will leave. In 12 months who knows?
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Going to Arsenal would be a mistake. Andy's got some way to go just yet before he's good enough for their 11. He's got to work hard on his build up play, his touch etc. That will be very important if he were to move there.
Much, much to early for him to be considering a move. Wait a year or two with us, and he could have bigger and better clubs than Arsenal after him.
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Come to Villa park! The best shop window in the Prem! Guaranteed to get you into your international team. Followed by a lucrative move and a spell on a top teams bench..
Can't really blame the players, but it makes you lose the faith as a fan.
I hope he signs up, we have supported him whilst injured for a long time. He owes us a couple of seasons IMO.
Going to Arsenal would be a mistake. Andy's got some way to go just yet before he's good enough for their 11. He's got to work hard on his build up play, his touch etc. That will be very important if he were to move there.
Much, much to early for him to be considering a move. Wait a year or two with us, and he could have bigger and better clubs than Arsenal after him.
I agree, he has come on massively but still has a way to go and hopefully will continue to learn at Villa and seems to genuinely be fond of the club
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He's had a great season but moments such as the air shot on Sat are a bit too frequent for him to be off to a "big" club. He's still got a lot to do to prove his undoubted potential.
I hope, and think, he will stay.
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Agents. Sigh.
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Agents. Sigh.
What I hate most about them is that they always seem to make their clients sound like right c**ts.
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And yet in interviews and his comments on Twitter and his daft, 'little kid dancing for joy' celebrations when we score he comes across as a decent lad with an affection for the club. I'd be really surprised and very disappointed if he didn't sign a new deal.
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I agree. I read this as agent posturing for new deal.
He posted "4 words: WE ARE STAYING UP" on twitter about 5 minutes after the Arsenal game. That doesn't sound to me like he wants to go. I think he'll stay.
More worried that Benteke's head might be turned at the moment
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Agent in 'trying to get a bigger deal for himself (and his client)' shock.
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Weimann is a promising young player at the moment, nothing more, nothing less. He works hard and has scored some important goals this season but there are games recently where I've barely noticed him. I don't believe any Champions League would want to pay significant money for him as things stand. His awareness and decision making isn't good enough for that level.
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Would be a stupid move on his part imo, one full season playing first team football is nowhere near enough. If he leaves for a "big club" *vomit* it could set his development way back as he isn't going to improve much sat on the bench or playing for the reserves. And despite looking promising he's not exactly the finished article.
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All his agent said was 'He will be in the premier league........at which club I dont know'. He's just strengthening his hand for the contract negotiations.
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All his agent said was 'He will be in the premier league........at which club I dont know'. He's just strengthening his hand for the contract negotiations.
I was attempting to paste some of the piece last night, but gave up.
It is a little contradictory of itself. The written piece says he will be leaving, yet the quote from his agent says they will be talking to Aston Villa first. Coming into the final year of his contract, all seems pretty standard.
Journalistic rumour-mongering, methinks
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Weimann is a promising young player at the moment, nothing more, nothing less. He works hard and has scored some important goals this season but there are games recently where I've barely noticed him. I don't believe any Champions League would want to pay significant money for him as things stand. His awareness and decision making isn't good enough for that level.
Fulham (or some club of that standard) might come in for him. However I agree with BDE especially his last sentence. Orginally I said hes no more than another David Geddis, scores useful goals but short of absolute class ,but he has improved a lot. Hes a bit like Shearer very single minded and always goes for goal aggressively. Doesnt always work out but like one or two others he is coming along nicely.
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Weimann is a promising young player at the moment, nothing more, nothing less. He works hard and has scored some important goals this season but there are games recently where I've barely noticed him. I don't believe any Champions League would want to pay significant money for him as things stand. His awareness and decision making isn't good enough for that level.
Spot on, he has a long way to go to & of all the players who have matured this season he is probably the one who I think is most likely to slip back. He's invisible for big sections of most games but does always seem to pop up with a goal or an assist. He wouldn't be a regular for any of the top 6-7 clubs. Depends on what his motivation is. I think a move now might well be a disaster for him but he's not irreplaceable.
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I reckon he's off.
I've chatted with him a few times,as he lives very locally to me.Normally he's been very positive about our situation,football,whatever.
Just seems his demeanor has slightly changed in the last few weeks,possibly he's been subjected to what all players experience as they grow more successful,but he seems more reticent about the club generally.Mind you,he does spend a lot of time in the company of Barry Bannan,who's definitely a little less AV these days.
Time will tell,but if I was his agent I'd personally be signing an extension of a couple of years with a big fat wage increase,he's still be only 25/26 when it finished.
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Him moving to Arsenal just makes me think of Franny Jeffers. A lad with promise, far from the finished article but plenty of raw ability. Moving to the Arse was probably the biggest mistake of his career and he's been struggling in lower leagues since. He should have stayed a year or two more at Everton or moved to a club where he'd start every game and which suited him.
As for Wiemann, he does start every game. He'd be foolish at this stage of his career to move. He needs another season or two or playing almost week in, week out. He needs to work on his fitness a bit. Get leaner, add some muscle. Work on his all round game too. There's potentially a 15-20 goal a season striker there, and potentially an ideal replacement through the middle when Benteke likely leaves in a years time.
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It seems a lot of people are under estimating Weimann. He's got real quality and has done amazingly well this year in his first full season. For the last season and a half we have done much better when he's played than when he's been left out. He'd be a big big loss if we didn't get him to stay but i'd be surprised if he wasn't attracting a bit of interest from decent clubs.
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Him moving to Arsenal just makes me think of Franny Jeffers. A lad with promise, far from the finished article but plenty of raw ability. Moving to the Arse was probably the biggest mistake of his career and he's been struggling in lower leagues since. He should have stayed a year or two more at Everton or moved to a club where he'd start every game and which suited him.
As for Wiemann, he does start every game. He'd be foolish at this stage of his career to move. He needs another season or two or playing almost week in, week out. He needs to work on his fitness a bit. Get leaner, add some muscle. Work on his all round game too. There's potentially a 15-20 goal a season striker there, and potentially an ideal replacement through the middle when Benteke likely leaves in a years time.
Didn't Jeffers suffer a lot from injuries before he moved to Arsenal and Arsenal only paid million or so and rest of the 7-8 million were based on his appearances etc?
It'd be a big mistake if Weimann doesn't sign new contract and I'd be very disappointed. One of the promoted teams might try to buy him as he would probably take lesser salary than PL proven strikers.
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Him moving to Arsenal just makes me think of Franny Jeffers. A lad with promise, far from the finished article but plenty of raw ability. Moving to the Arse was probably the biggest mistake of his career and he's been struggling in lower leagues since. He should have stayed a year or two more at Everton or moved to a club where he'd start every game and which suited him.
As for Wiemann, he does start every game. He'd be foolish at this stage of his career to move. He needs another season or two or playing almost week in, week out. He needs to work on his fitness a bit. Get leaner, add some muscle. Work on his all round game too. There's potentially a 15-20 goal a season striker there, and potentially an ideal replacement through the middle when Benteke likely leaves in a years time.
Didn't Jeffers suffer a lot from injuries before he moved to Arsenal and Arsenal only paid million or so and rest of the 7-8 million were based on his appearances etc?
It'd be a big mistake if Weimann doesn't sign new contract and I'd be very disappointed. One of the promoted teams might try to buy him as he would probably take lesser salary than PL proven strikers.
Yeah he did get a few injuries. When he did play he just didn't seem to fit though. Wiemann definitely isn't an Arsenal player either. I really hope he doesn't get dollar signs in his eyes and starts daydreaming about London penthouses and nights out in the West End. It would be a crying shame if Andreas decided to get billy big bollox syndrome now.
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If we can't hold onto him, one of our own youngsters, I'd be very disappointed. I'd be very disappointed in him and the club. How are we ever going to build by doing this?
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If we can't hold onto him, one of our own youngsters, I'd be very disappointed. I'd be very disappointed in him and the club. How are we ever going to build by doing this?
It doesn't look like it is the club that is pushing him out and I don't think any club (which are better than us) will offer more money than what we will. Therefore I don't think there is much more the club can reasonably do. If he goes it will be because he wants to.
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We need to hold onto him.
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It's interesting, when listening to football analysts about our front three, how they all seem to particularly dwell on Weimann. They acknowledge the physical strength and presence of Benteke; they remind us of Gabby's pace and physique. But they really eulogise about Andi's timing and game-awareness.
He is very highly regarded - no question.
Lambert needs to get another couple more years out of this trio if at all possible - and even if Benteke gets tempted after the world cup, keeping the other two is really important if we are to rise out of lower-table mediocrity and into a challenging role again (whether for cups and / or Europe).
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It would be a very big mistake from Weimann to leave, plus to be honest we stood by him through injury and if we offer him a good deal he should stay.
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It would be a very big mistake from Weimann to leave, plus to be honest we stood by him through injury and if we offer him a good deal he should stay.
It would be up there with Downing for me if he decided to go this summer, and despite only 12 months I would expect 8 to 10 million for him if he did go.
I think he is a very good player, but misses a lot of very very decent chances and the attack breaks down with him on the ball far more often than the other two. He has a long way to go.
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It would be a very big mistake from Weimann to leave, plus to be honest we stood by him through injury and if we offer him a good deal he should stay.
It would be up there with Downing for me if he decided to go this summer, and despite only 12 months I would expect 8 to 10 million for him if he did go.
I think he is a very good player, but misses a lot of very very decent chances and the attack breaks down with him on the ball far more often than the other two. He has a long way to go.
He does and he'd be crazy to leave a club where he starts every week.
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My only concern is perhaps Weimann doesn't enjoy playing out wide. He does okay there but it's clearly not his natural, or favoured position. That may come into his mind. I would hope not. He still manages to get plenty of chances from wide and scores a fair few.
Again though, is it better starting 40+games for us next season out wide, or a dozen for Arsenal, possibly up front (he may find himself pushed wide at other clubs too).
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Weimann needs to be careful as to what he's asking for or looking for. He's in tremendous situation right now amongst players that are pulling in the same direction. Unless he has an offer where he becomes the recognised starting forward at a PL club in a one or two man system, he's going to end up on the outside looking in. He's certainly not good enough to be st any of the c,ubs that are top six ans start every week.
He needs to consider many of the young careers that stutter as soon they leave a good situation. These are years that are never recoverable. He plays for one of the biggest PL sides and starts every week. At his age and place in the game given he's really on just broken through he's in a very, very good position. Don't be a Reo-Coker and start inflating your own self worth.
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Him and Gabby would be the last 2 players I would expect to see leave.
Agent rubbish me thinks.
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Weimann needs to be careful as to what he's asking for or looking for. He's in tremendous situation right now amongst players that are pulling in the same direction. Unless he has an offer where he becomes the recognised starting forward at a PL club in a one or two man system, he's going to end up on the outside looking in. He's certainly not good enough to be st any of the c,ubs that are top six ans start every week.
He needs to consider many of the young careers that stutter as soon they leave a good situation. These are years that are never recoverable. He plays for one of the biggest PL sides and starts every week. At his age and place in the game given he's really on just broken through he's in a very, very good position. Don't be a Reo-Coker and start inflating your own self worth.
Exactly he couldn't be at a better club now.
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I would support Lambert in getting rid quick smart any player that thinks he can do better than Villa whether it's Weiman or Benteke, Lambert is i believe on the verge of creating something special at Villa and anyone who has one decent season and thinks he's too good for us can go and do one.
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My only concern is perhaps Weimann doesn't enjoy playing out wide. He does okay there but it's clearly not his natural, or favoured position. That may come into his mind. I would hope not. He still manages to get plenty of chances from wide and scores a fair few.
Again though, is it better starting 40+games for us next season out wide, or a dozen for Arsenal, possibly up front (he may find himself pushed wide at other clubs too).
Good point. I didn't think of it like that.
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Weimann himself tweeted last month not to believe all you read in the papers and how happy he was at villa- i think he will stay.
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I think the agent is putting out this story to get a better deal for Weimann at Villa.
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I think he's entitled to a better deal and will be offered one anyway, his agent isn't doing him any favours.
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Weizmann himself tweeted last month not to believe all you read in the papers and how happy he was at villa- i think he will stay.
He needs to tell his agent to keep his gob shut then if that's the case
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Standard agent posturing. He will sign a new and improved deal.
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Weizmann - a striker in AVAST: the Aston Villa Alternatively Spelt Team. A colleague of Guzman and Clarke, Delfe, Benet, and my own contribution, Shane Given.
Old boys - I haven't had the nerve to look for AS of Eggy.
Oh and I think they'll both stay.
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Don't forget Loughton ;)
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Of course!
:)
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http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Andi-Weimann.png
Love the player in the background. Who he?
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http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Andi-Weimann.png
Love the player in the background. Who he?
Bannan from what I can make out.
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It would be a very big mistake from Weimann to leave, plus to be honest we stood by him through injury and if we offer him a good deal he should stay.
It would be up there with Downing for me if he decided to go this summer, and despite only 12 months I would expect 8 to 10 million for him if he did go.
I think he is a very good player, but misses a lot of very very decent chances and the attack breaks down with him on the ball far more often than the other two. He has a long way to go.
Agree with the last point. He fits in with our forward line well but I think we could get better if he goes. If he thinks he could find better than what he currently has, then go and find it. I don't want himto go but he's barely ready for our 1st team if we are to be at minimum a mid-table team.
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Think his agent may be doing a bit of posturing with the intention of getting his client a new deal. I like Weimann a lot, but really feel at this time he is better staying at Villa and really learning his trade. I am not sure he is ready for the top 5 clubs yet, but am sure he will continue to improve
100% agree
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Think his agent may be doing a bit of posturing with the intention of getting his client a new deal. I like Weimann a lot, but really feel at this time he is better staying at Villa and really learning his trade. I am not sure he is ready for the top 5 clubs yet, but am sure he will continue to improve
100% agree
If he develops properly he can be a top 5 club player with us, or at the very least with us as the business end of the table on a regular basis.
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I think the lad himself will realise that the way the team is set up suits him and that he is best staying here. His agrent is the one doing the talking, not Weimann, who has always seemed to love it at the club from his comments. Lambert has really given him a chance as well
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Think his agent may be doing a bit of posturing with the intention of getting his client a new deal. I like Weimann a lot, but really feel at this time he is better staying at Villa and really learning his trade. I am not sure he is ready for the top 5 clubs yet, but am sure he will continue to improve
100% agree
If he develops properly he can be a top 5 club player with us, or at the very least with us as the business end of the table on a regular basis.
This is something I hope, when together, is pointed out to this squad. They have a unique opportunity of growing into a top side together. All the same sort of age, all with massive potential. When you look at some clubs and the players that have left from certain eras they would have been right at the top had most stayed and stuck it out but they chased glory the fast route. I hope our management team can convince this group to give 3-4 years to have a chance of success as a group.
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Think his agent may be doing a bit of posturing with the intention of getting his client a new deal. I like Weimann a lot, but really feel at this time he is better staying at Villa and really learning his trade. I am not sure he is ready for the top 5 clubs yet, but am sure he will continue to improve
100% agree
If he develops properly he can be a top 5 club player with us, or at the very least with us as the business end of the table on a regular basis.
This is something I hope, when together, is pointed out to this squad. They have a unique opportunity of growing into a top side together. All the same sort of age, all with massive potential. When you look at some clubs and the players that have left from certain eras they would have been right at the top had most stayed and stuck it out but they chased glory the fast route. I hope our management team can convince this group to give 3-4 years to have a chance of success as a group.
That's clear for all to see but bloody agents keep chipping away and turn the heads of some players. I am really hoping and praying this team does get a chance to grow but the sharks are circling already.
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My main fear is Benteke going, but think Lambert is correct in saying he should stay until the world cup at least. I think the rest of the team will stay together, including Weimann. The likes of Lowton and Westwood seem to be level headed lads as well. The player I expect to really shine next season is Delph if he stays clear of injury, has had an excellent last few months. Lambert said to sky today that Lowton only cost 1 million and Westwood and Sylla even less, what superb signings
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The one thing I find reassuring, at least as much as you can as the season ends and speculation builds is that I believe we have exactly the right man in charge as manager. Listening to his press conference yesterday, having initially fucked around with one or two of the reporters I at least got the impression he was very aware of the situation with Benteke, as much as the other players that have done well this year. For us as a club this is exactly what we should be doing as opposed to buying finished goods that often come to the highest bidder. Not saying we shouldn't be after one or two of them too in the right spots but in reference to Weimann in particular, having a sqaud of players grow up together and creating a pipeline of replacements is precisely the model we should be looking to build.
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Weimann is a promising young player at the moment, nothing more, nothing less. He works hard and has scored some important goals this season but there are games recently where I've barely noticed him. I don't believe any Champions League would want to pay significant money for him as things stand. His awareness and decision making isn't good enough for that level.
Fulham (or some club of that standard) might come in for him. However I agree with BDE especially his last sentence. Orginally I said hes no more than another David Geddis, scores useful goals but short of absolute class ,but he has improved a lot. Hes a bit like Shearer very single minded and always goes for goal aggressively. Doesnt always work out but like one or two others he is coming along nicely.
He's like Dirk Kuyt I think.
Good player who will improve further. I hope and expect him to stay. Think he'll get 15 league goals next season.
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I think the comparisons with Dirk Kuyt are quite valid, works hard for the team and scores goals. Cant see him getting a better club than us at all. Other than the top 5, where would he be better off. And lets be honest, how many games would he get in a top 5 club, not many I reckon
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Althoughwehaveplayed wellfor a few months we forget that's all we've done. Well donefor what they'veproduced but seriously for most of theseason most players have been largely poor. weimann included. He'll go nowhere better.
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Peter W, I would not say he has been poor for the majority of the season tbh, has given a good account of himself
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I agree that he has given a good account of himself. There have been some games were he has been magnificent. Some where he has played well in important moments, too. In all a positive note in what has been a difficult and poor season.
But other clubs would see the bigger picture seeing his age and his relative inexperience. Yes, there may be one or two who may take a punt but he's nowehere good enough for most first teams in the prem. He fits in well here. He knows the club and we know him. He doesn't have to go somewhere and expect to be a world beater which would be the case elsewhere.
But he also has been poor this season. But as part of a poor team. the front 3 changed that thanks to the tactics of Lambert. Sometimes as a manager you have to be lucky and it may be that he stumbled upon the formation and he had the right players there to take us to another level. will he get that at any other club just now? Being one of the focal point of the team? Especially as we're more likely to forgive poor performances because he outweighs them with his brownie points. But would another club take that risk on him? I'm not so sure.
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The thing I like about him is you know he will get at least one good chance every game even when he isn't playing that well.
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I remember the Man Ure game at home. I said to my lad after about half hour he had not been in the game at all, then he scores 2 and perhaps should have had another. I think he is good enough for most of the teams in the premiership, but he will be better off at VP. The fans have been brilliant this season and there is a feel good feeling within the club and Weimann would be well advised to note this and am sure he will
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Good lad.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-andreas-weimann-1896426?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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It is the mirror but great if we get him signed up on a big contract.
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Good lad.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-andreas-weimann-1896426?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Love the comment re close group, they have really shown that.
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Great picture too, that's the way to celebrate a goal properly
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Bloody-hell, he's been pumping iron.
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Good lad.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-andreas-weimann-1896426?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
That's more like it. Good stuff.
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Good lad.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-andreas-weimann-1896426?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
That's more like it. Good stuff.
That is the sort of mentality I hope to see. They really do have an opportunity to grow into a group and create a special team.
Love the comments from Lambert at the moment about being active this summer too.
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The article in full -
Andreas Weimann has told Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert he wants to tie up his future at the club within the next few weeks.
The 21-year-old whose goals have helped keep the club in the Premier League is going into the final year of his current deal but last night spelled out just why he’s so confident about the future.
The Villans expect the Austrian striker to be the first of several players to sign new contracts – including top scorer Christian Benteke – as Lambert aims to kick-on with his emerging young side.
After fighting relegation for most of the season Villa could end up as high as 11th if they win at Wigan today where more than 4,000 fans will follow them in party mood.
And Weimann, who has been with the club since he left his home in Vienna as a 16-year-old, said: “What the gaffer is building here we all believe in and we just have to continue working hard for him and each other.
“I think that’s what Aston Villa is about. It’s a family club.
“We’re growing and getting better all the time, and I think there’s a lot of potential in the team right now because as players we’re only going to get better.
“Like I said, the spirit and belief within the squad and within the club is really good.
“It’s really exciting for everyone, it’s exciting for the players, it’s exciting for the fans and it’s exciting for the club.
“The club is very tight-knit. A couple of weeks ago the chairman was here watching training, chatting to the manager and the lads and that’s the way we are, everybody very close.
“I’ve been here for six years now and I’ve loved every minute of it.”
Music to the ears of Villa fans who have watched the club lose a star player almost every summer since Gareth Barry walked out to join Manchester City in 2009.
Weimann still has to agree terms, and his agent has hinted that other clubs are ready to make offers, but Villa are confident a deal will be done.
Lambert said: “Andi has been exceptional. He is a natural finisher who knows where the goal is, but his work-rate is second to none.
“That was the thing that struck me when I came here and first started working with him. He has a natural hunger and desire to get better and that can take you a long way.
“Success doesn’t go to his head; money wouldn’t go to his head.
“Whatever happens you are always going to get the same player with the same drive and ambition.”
Lambert is aiming to add more raw talent to his squad this summer and said: “We have got a list of names in our head to improve things. The squad is really light and we have to build. We have to create more competition.”
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He'll score today.
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He'll stay.
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Good lad Andi.
He can see what Lambert is trying to build here and I think he would be foolish to leave what could be a very exciting team in the next few seasons.
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There will only be Liverpool , Man u , Man c , chavski , spurzzz and Arsenal def above us next season.
Best to stay with us .
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Another example of player's agents ruining the game. A lad who is clearly happy at the club but his agent is aggitating for a transfer/bumper contract so he can have his cut. Arsehole. Makes my blood boil. I hope he signs, stays and cements himself as one of the Villa greats.
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Hope he stays.
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Another example of player's agents ruining the game. A lad who is clearly happy at the club but his agent is aggitating for a transfer/bumper contract so he can have his cut. Arsehole. Makes my blood boil. I hope he signs, stays and cements himself as one of the Villa greats.
Me too. Something clearly needs to be done, world wide, about it.
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Today's performance shows why he definitely needs to stay and develop his game.
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Today was totally baffling by Lambert. I think it's been clear that Andy has struggled in recent weeks. He's looked burnt out. He was poor today again and very jaded. Not sure why he wasn't taken off today.
But yes, he's far from the finished article yet. A move at this stage would probably ruin him. I'd like to see a quality signing to come in and really push him and Gabby next season. I'm not entirely sure Wiemann should play quite as much as he has done this season.
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Its all down to him, not what his agent thinks he is worth, what he is really worth, one half a good season, if he thinks he is better than AVFC bye bye, but talk to some people who have thought that before to become bench warmers, he is not yet top half material never mind top 6
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Another example of player's agents ruining the game. A lad who is clearly happy at the club but his agent is aggitating for a transfer/bumper contract so he can have his cut. Arsehole. Makes my blood boil. I hope he signs, stays and cements himself as one of the Villa greats.
Me too. Something clearly needs to be done, world wide, about it.
Thing is though he works for the player. The player can always tell the agent don't discuss his business in public. I don't think Andi is completely oblvious to what his agent has said.
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Am I the only one that thought we'd have got Weimann signed up with a new deal by now?
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Like Benteke he's away with his national team for the next few weeks and then will probably go on holiday so yeah another one that will probably run to July and the start of pre season!
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Lambert was on the footballer football show, explaining his move from Motherwell to Dortmund.
An agent called him, took him for a trial at PSV( I think or maybe Ajax). He then went to Dortmund and played a couple of matches in a pre season tournament. All this without Motherwell being told.
I don't think he's going to be preaching to Weiman and Benteke.
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From the interview I saw with PL before the CL Final, I was under the impression that he was without a club when his agent got him the trial at Dortmund.
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Nah....he mentioned that Motherwell didn't know about it. Dortmunds manager told him not to worry they would sort it out.
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But he was out of contract so effectively a free agent. McLeish was the Motherwell manager at the time.
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I stand corrected...I did wonder why he was so open about it....
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By Mat Kendrick | 27 May 2013 09:50
Villa will put Christian Benteke ’s future on the back-burner this week while they attempt to thrash out a new deal for their other sought-after striker, Andi Weimann .
The 21-year-old Austrian has just one year left on his contract and the claret and blues are keen to tie him down for longer after an impressive season.
Both parties agreed to put discussions on hold until Villa’s Premier League status was secured, but the player’s advisor will fly over tomorrow to resume negotiations.
Villa are prepared to give the Bodymoor Heath academy graduate a significant pay rise and are optimistic that a compromise over his improved terms can be reached. Weimann is happy at Villa and is believed to be keen to stay and continue his development at the club he joined as a 16-year-old from hometown side Rapid Vienna in 2008.
He scored 12 league and cup goals during his first campaign as a first-team regular and impressed manager Paul Lambert with his energy and work ethic.
Although Villa have not received any enquiries about Weimann, his agent Robert Groener insists there are other Premier League clubs interested in signing him.
“There is a meeting planned and we hope we can come to a successful conclusion,” said Groener.
“Andi will stay in the Premier League, but at which club I do not know at this moment. There are offers, but we will first meet Villa and listen to them.”
Weimann recently expressed his enjoyment at breaking through into the first XI at Villa and hinted at his willingness to remain part of Lambert’s exciting project.
“What the gaffer is building here we all believe in and we just have to continue working hard for him and each other,” said Weimann.
“I think that’s what Aston Villa is about. It’s a family club.
“We’re growing and getting better all the time, and I think there’s a lot of potential in the team right now because, as players, we’re only going to get better.
“It’s really exciting for everyone. The club is very tight-knit. I’ve been here for years now and I’ve loved every minute of it.”
As for Benteke, his comments on international duty have not affected Villa’s stance on the top scorer’s future and they are happy to let him ponder over his improved offer during the next few weeks.
Meanwhile, Villa’s award-winning groundsman Jonathan Calderwood is leaving the club after being head-hunted by French giants Paris Saint-Germain.
Calderwood has regularly won accolades for the quality of work at Villa Park and Bodymoor Heath where he was responsible for 12 pitches.
His role will be filled jointly by long-standing Villa employees Paul Mytton and Graeme Farmer, who have been appointed grounds manager at the stadium and training ground respectively.
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I want to kill his agent.
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I was trying to come up with an eloquent way of conveying my thoughts and feelings on the differing sentiments expressed and implied by Andi and his representative, but I'll go with this.....
I want to kill his agent.
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Interesting to read about the Villa groundsman being headhunted by PSG- Good Luck to you, you obviously deserve the plaudits that have come your way. I find it incredible that modern day pitches, especially at Villa Park, show no discernible difference from the last game of the season to the first.
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Interesting to read about the Villa groundsman being headhunted by PSG- Good Luck to you, you obviously deserve the plaudits that have come your way. I find it incredible that modern day pitches, especially at Villa Park, show no discernible difference from the last game of the season to the first.
Already a thread on it :)
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49838.0
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I want to kill his agent.
I would like to spread horse manure all over his face and make him eat it before you do that if you don't mind?
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His agent is talking out of his arse, trying to get Andi's new contract a bit fatter. There won't be a better club than us coming in for him at this stage. Not after one reasonable season. He's still very raw. If his agent wants to make out that Man City and Chelsea are breaking our door down for Wiemann, so be it.
But we, they have to be realistic. He's very young still, has a hell of a lot of learning and improving. He'll get improved terms but if agent is trying to arm twist us into paying something silly, then we have to be firm.
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He should have a chat to NRC before he gets ahead of himself.
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I'm sure he'll stay, he'd be an idiot not to.
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"There are offers" - how's that when he's under contract? Agents really are the scum of the game. More credit to the minority of players who negotiate their own contracts.
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Yep, unless a club has put in a bid and we are considering it, then there aren't any others you twat.
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http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=783965
*chuckle*
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He better not go there.
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From the Sunderland Echo
ANDREAS Weimann is expected to decide his Aston Villa future this week and Sunderland will be watching the situation with interest.
Paolo Di Canio was particularly impressed with the intelligence, athleticism and eye for goal of the 21-year-old Austrian, who scored in Villa’s 6-1 demolition of Sunderland last month.
And while Newcastle and Norwich are believed to be ready to step in if contract talks do not prove successful for a player who is in the last year of his contract at Villa Park, Sunderland are also monitoring the situation
Sunderland are in the market for top-class strikers at the right price and will keep a watching brief on a player who suits their new policy of buying quality, young players and bringing them on.
The Wearsiders have also been linked with an interest in Auxerre’s 19-times capped Cameroon midfielder Georges Mandjeck.
The 24-year-old, who started his career with Stuttgart in Germany, joined Auxerre last year after two years with Rennes.
Sunderland are at the start of a summer which is expected to bring huge changes in the playing squad and are set to release out-of-contract Titus Bramble and Matt Kilgallon next month while listening to offers for Ahmed Elmohamady and Ji Dong-won who spent last season on loan, as well as out-of-favour Phil Bardsley.
Di Canio – led by director of football, Milan-based Roberto di Fanti – is expected to look at the Italian markets this close season, as well as the cash-strapped Portuguese league, where bargains can be had.
But he is is also keen to sign young prospects in the English leagues if they can be sourced at the right price.
And that includes players like Weimann, who have already proven themselves able to adapt to the challenges faced in the Premier League.
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http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=783965
*chuckle*
it's brilliant that they rip that fucker to pieces. I particularly liked
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£4.5m bid launched for him, attacking midfielder from villa for those who don't know who he is.
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4,5 mill you say? Surely that asda be a mistake
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That article says Norwich are interested in him,
Bugger, we've got no chance of keeping him now
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I fart in his agents general direction. His mother was a hamster and his father stank of elderberries.
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That article says Norwich are interested in him,
Bugger, we've got no chance of keeping him now
Maybe we can persuade Norwich to swap Holt for him?
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*phone rings*
Andi its me, don't worry about Villa if they don't offer you enough. I've had plenty of other offers.
Oh really? Who?
Ha! get this. Norwich, Newcastle, and Sunderland. Eh? Andi? Andi??
*silence* You fu...how much do I pay you, again?
*puts phone down*
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
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It's a far more likely union Paulie.
Megan Walnuts. hmmmm......
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It's a far more likely union Paulie.
Megan Walnuts. hmmmm......
More like Paulie Fox
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It's a far more likely union Paulie.
Megan Walnuts. hmmmm......
More like Paulie Fox
To be fair one sounds like a Hollywood star the other a shit Eastenders actress.
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It's a far more likely union Paulie.
Megan Walnuts. hmmmm......
More like Paulie Fox
To be fair one sounds like a Hollywood star the other a shit Eastenders actress.
I'm thinking she isn't changing her last name for Paulie. He'll just follow along, nod and say yes.
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
They stand outside his house, greasing their weasel in the bushes?
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
Yet Norwich fans think it would be a slight step up for him.Many also consider Lambert coming to Villa as a sideways move at best based on where the respective teams have finished over the last two seasons.They really are a deluded lot
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Interesting to read about the Villa groundsman being headhunted by PSG- Good Luck to you, you obviously deserve the plaudits that have come your way. I find it incredible that modern day pitches, especially at Villa Park, show no discernible difference from the last game of the season to the first.
I think it's a lot to do with better drainage, more resilient turf and improved preparation in recent years.
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That article says Norwich are interested in him,
Bugger, we've got no chance of keeping him now
Maybe we can persuade Norwich to swap Holt for him?
Oh come on...we are not that lucky. If only!
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
Yet Norwich fans think it would be a slight step up for him.Many also consider Lambert coming to Villa as a sideways move at best based on where the respective teams have finished over the last two seasons.They really are a deluded lot
Lambert and Villa are not very popular on their main forum. They seem to think Benteke will only go for £18m and that we'll go down next season. Bitter is not the word.
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
Yet Norwich fans think it would be a slight step up for him.Many also consider Lambert coming to Villa as a sideways move at best based on where the respective teams have finished over the last two seasons.They really are a deluded lot
that's the dangers of inbreeding for you.
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
Yet Norwich fans think it would be a slight step up for him.Many also consider Lambert coming to Villa as a sideways move at best based on where the respective teams have finished over the last two seasons.They really are a deluded lot
Lambert and Villa are not very popular on their main forum. They seem to think Benteke will only go for £18m and that we'll go down next season. Bitter is not the word.
What do you expect from a club whose biggest achievement is being beaten in a final by the Villa?
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
They stand outside his house, greasing their weasel in the bushes?
spat my tea out...
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
Yet Norwich fans think it would be a slight step up for him.Many also consider Lambert coming to Villa as a sideways move at best based on where the respective teams have finished over the last two seasons.They really are a deluded lot
Lambert and Villa are not very popular on their main forum. They seem to think Benteke will only go for £18m and that we'll go down next season. Bitter is not the word.
What do you expect from a club whose biggest achievement is being beaten in a final by the Villa?
to be fair its probably when they beat Bayern. So, a bit like us really. Except for one huge difference obviously.
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I'd have thought it was 1985 when they won a trophy.
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Ah Norwich.
Nice manager, we will have him.
They should consider themselves lucky we dont want any of their players or we would have them an all.
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I'd have thought it was 1985 when they won a trophy.
They won it in 1962 as well it seems.
They're like Small Heath then, only with more inbreeding if you can imagine such a thing.
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Norwich are interested in Weimann, pretty much in the sense that I am interested in Megan Fox.
They stand outside his house, greasing their weasel in the bushes?
spat my tea out...
Norwich interested in Weimann - laughable !
I am pretty sure he will sign a new deal this week at villa and we can put this nonsense to bed.
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I see it as a compliment. last summer I can think of a player other teams were interested in from Villa. Thats not a good sign. This year it means we have some players that are selling papers. that is a good sign that we are on the up.
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I see it as a compliment. last summer I can think of a player other teams were interested in from Villa. Thats not a good sign. This year it means we have some players that are selling papers. that is a good sign that we are on the up.
I don't know, we got rid of Hutton, twice!!
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They are actually seriously discussing it as it were a viable option. Odd and laughable.
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*phone rings*
Andi its me, don't worry about Villa if they don't offer you enough. I've had plenty of other offers.
Oh really? Who?
Ha! get this. Norwich, Newcastle, and Sunderland. Eh? Andi? Andi??
*silence* You fu...how much do I pay you, again?
*puts phone down*
Funny as fuck 8)
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I take it there hasn't been any sort of update on the progress of contract talks? It's just they were meant to be starting this week.
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Nothing so far. Silence is deafening.
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I take it there hasn't been any sort of update on the progress of contract talks? It's just they were meant to be starting this week.
He's with the Austrian squad somewhere or another so i doubt anything will be done until he gets back.
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I take it there hasn't been any sort of update on the progress of contract talks? It's just they were meant to be starting this week.
He's on international duty isn't he? In which case expect very little before tuesday/wednesday.
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Ah fair enough, it's just I saw reports that it would be starting this week.
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£25,000 per week basic, with bonuses, plus a new PS4 with Call of Duty Ghosts and our Andi will be well away.
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There's a good article about the current tactical trends in (top) european football teams here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/may/28/tactical-trends-2012-13
To me the description of Lewandowski "Perhaps the most old-fashioned of the lot is Robert Lewandowski, who in style resembles a cross between Ian Rush and a classic target man. In front of a fluent midfield he has been a reference, always pulling into the spaces between centre-backs and full-backs, yet also capable of playing with his back to goal, holding the ball up." describes Benteke perfectly (he also references Falcao, Cavani, Imbra as other examples, I'd argue RVP too)
Whereas the other "type" of striker is "Some even don't have to be that good at finishing. Mandzukic may have scored 15 goals in the Bundesliga this season but he is barely a striker at all in the conventional sense: rather he is a fearsome spearhead, driving defenders back to create space for the midfield and leading the press with terrifying energy" which to me describes the strengths of Weimann's game, especially the energy.
In summary - other than drawing your attention to a good article if you like your tactics - this was a long winded way to suggest that we may already have Benetke's replacement within the squad. For that reason I'd like to see us spend big on an attacking inside forward type player this summer so we can copy the template of Munich the following season. Some succession planning is vital.
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There's a good article about the current tactical trends in (top) european football teams here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/may/28/tactical-trends-2012-13
To me the description of Lewandowski "Perhaps the most old-fashioned of the lot is Robert Lewandowski, who in style resembles a cross between Ian Rush and a classic target man. In front of a fluent midfield he has been a reference, always pulling into the spaces between centre-backs and full-backs, yet also capable of playing with his back to goal, holding the ball up." describes Benteke (he also references Falcao, Cavani, Imbra as other examples, I'd argue RVP too)
Whereas the other "type" of striker is "Some even don't have to be that good at finishing. Mandzukic may have scored 15 goals in the Bundesliga this season but he is barely a striker at all in the conventional sense: rather he is a fearsome spearhead, driving defenders back to create space for the midfield and leading the press with terrifying energy" which to me describes Weimann, especially the energy.
In summary - other than drawing your attention to a good article if you like your tactics - this was a long winded way to suggest that we may already have Benetke's replacement within the squad. For that reason I'd like to see us spend big on an attacking inside forward type player this summer so we can copy the template of Munich the following season year.
Good post this one. If Benteke does go all is not lost at all.
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I don't think Weimann would play in the Benteke role. Lambert clearly wants a big man to play off. He's said publicly that he think Weimann's best position is off the front man. If we lose Benteke I'd be stunned if we didn't bring in a 6 foot plus replacement.
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I don't think Weimann would play in the Benteke role. Lambert clearly wants a big man to play off. He's said publicly that he think Weimann's best position is off the front man. If we lose Benteke I'd be stunned if we didn't bring in a 6 foot plus replacement.
If we lose Benteke i will be stunned. He is going nowhere this year. 25-30 goals next season.
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I don't think Weimann would play in the Benteke role. Lambert clearly wants a big man to play off. He's said publicly that he think Weimann's best position is off the front man. If we lose Benteke I'd be stunned if we didn't bring in a 6 foot plus replacement.
Without doubt we'd have to change the way we play but as Lambert is a fan/scholar of German football there is a chance that he could mimic the current Bayern template. Especially if Weimann continues to improve as a footballer.
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I don't think Weimann would play in the Benteke role. Lambert clearly wants a big man to play off. He's said publicly that he think Weimann's best position is off the front man. If we lose Benteke I'd be stunned if we didn't bring in a 6 foot plus replacement.
Weimann is 6' 2
Just saying.
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I don't think Weimann would play in the Benteke role. Lambert clearly wants a big man to play off. He's said publicly that he think Weimann's best position is off the front man. If we lose Benteke I'd be stunned if we didn't bring in a 6 foot plus replacement.
Weimann is 6' 2
Just saying.
I seen that stat about his height on numerous websites and computer games....but when you see him on the tv or at the ground I always have him down for about 5ft 10"
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I don't think Weimann would play in the Benteke role. Lambert clearly wants a big man to play off. He's said publicly that he think Weimann's best position is off the front man. If we lose Benteke I'd be stunned if we didn't bring in a 6 foot plus replacement.
Weimann is 6' 2
Just saying.
I seen that stat about his height on numerous websites and computer games....but when you see him on the tv or at the ground I always have him down for about 5ft 10"
I agree, but it's listed everywhere as the same and I'd have thought someone woul've questioned it if he's nowhere near that.
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No way is Weimann 6'2!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/11/article-0-121CF933000005DC-677_468x286.jpg)
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No way is Weimann 6'2!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/11/article-0-121CF933000005DC-677_468x286.jpg)
according the the Villa website he is. That photo isn't exactly a good way of determining his height because even Collins only looks an inch or two taller than Warnock. However a better way is to find the wallpaper of the team photo at the start of last season. Weimann is stood next to Ireland and Stevens. Stevens is taller than Weimann and is listed at 6ft. Weimann looks 5ft 10 or 11 to me, similar height as Gabby
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Angel was six foot but didn't look it.
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Peter Crouch is actually 5'4"! Its deceptive on the tele.
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I really don't believe he's 6 foot 2.
In any event, I've never really seen him take a 40 yard ball on his chest while holding off a big centre back and then lay it off.
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No way is Weimann 6'2!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/11/article-0-121CF933000005DC-677_468x286.jpg)
according the the Villa website he is. That photo isn't exactly a good way of determining his height because even Collins only looks an inch or two taller than Warnock. However a better way is to find the wallpaper of the team photo at the start of last season. Weimann is stood next to Ireland and Stevens. Stevens is taller than Weimann and is listed at 6ft. Weimann looks 5ft 10 or 11 to me, similar height as Gabby
Yes 5' 11" plus 3" of hair on top!
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Weimann is 5' 10 at most.
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Why oh why did Legion declare the last caption competition was The last of the season?
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I really don't believe he's 6 foot 2.
In any event, I've never really seen him take a 40 yard ball on his chest while holding off a big centre back and then lay it off.
Absolutely. Wiemann's a completely different player to Benteke and I think asking him to play that role would be a complete waste of his ability.
If the worst were to happen and we lost Benteke this summer (and I don't think it will happen) we could do worse than to go and get Grant Holt to play that 'big man up front' role.
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From Benteke to Holt ! Bloody hell, please no.
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From Benteke to Holt ! Bloody hell, please no.
I did say 'should the worst happen'. In the absence of a worldwide scouting network I can't see anyone else we could realistically get who could fit seamlessly into our style of play and allow us to keep Andi and Gabby playing off the centre forward.
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From Benteke to Holt ! Bloody hell, please no.
I did say 'should the worst happen'. In the absence of a worldwide scouting network I can't see anyone else we could realistically get who could fit seamlessly into our style of play and allow us to keep Andi and Gabby playing off the centre forward.
The worst will not happen so no worries.
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I think i'd rather have Heskey back than sign Grant "The Pieman" Holt.
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Me too.
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Holt had one good season, but he is useless.
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Holt had one good season, but he is useless.
He scored more than Wiemann this season.
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Holt had one good season, but he is useless.
He scored more than Wiemann this season.
No he didn't. He scored 8, Weimann 12. He scored one more in the league if that is what you mean, but a) he played more games b) he played them as the main striker, unlike Weimann.
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Holt had one good season, but he is useless.
He scored more than Wiemann this season.
One more and he played as a central striker and Weimann played out wide.
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Holt had one good season, but he is useless.
He scored more than Wiemann this season.
One more and he played as a central striker and Weimann played out wide.
And if Andi tried to play the Benteke role he'd score less.
To look at it a different way he scored one less this season than Heskey scored in 3 years for us.
Dont get me wrong, he's not a patch on Benteke but if we lost Benteke I don't see many obvious replacements which would allow us to keep our style. Plus Lambert obviously rates him.
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Score less than who? Benteke? Yes. Holt? Not in a million years.
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Agreed, Holt is not a good player.
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He's also an arrogant clown.
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Funny, many of us would have welcomed Holt with open arms a year ago.
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Funny, many of us would have welcomed Holt with open arms a year ago.
Not according to this site when he was talked about as a possible signing.
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Holt is another in a long line of talentless lumps who have managed to elbow and shove their tubby backsides into the top flight.
File under Kevin Davies and keep out of B6.
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Funny, many of us would have welcomed Holt with open arms a year ago.
Not according to this site when he was talked about as a possible signing.
I was going to say I don't remember anyone saying we should sign him.
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I'd go as far as saying he's exactly the type of signing a lot of us wanted us to stop making. Old, over priced, biggish wages and not that good.
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I'd go as far as saying he's exactly the type of signing a lot of us wanted us to stop making. Old, over priced, biggish wages and not that good.
Exactly.
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Guys, you're being fantastic at rubbishing suggestions but you're pretty thin on the ground with suggestions of your own.
Move Wiemann in to a more central role in the style we play and he'll score less than he does out wide. He's not a target man, he plays off a target man. At the moment that target man is Benteke - if we lost Benteke tomorrow who would take his place?
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There is zero chance that if Weimann started at least 30 league games as main striker that he'd only score 6 goals or less.
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Guys, you're being fantastic at rubbishing suggestions but you're pretty thin on the ground with suggestions of your own.
Move Wiemann in to a more central role in the style we play and he'll score less than he does out wide. He's not a target man, he plays off a target man. At the moment that target man is Benteke - if we lost Benteke tomorrow who would take his place?
Yes but I imagine we pay scouts to find options, like Benteke. Holt is never ever a good idea.
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There is zero chance that if Weimann started at least 30 league games as main striker that he'd only score 6 goals or less.
Totally disagree - Danny Welbeck is a perfect example of a player who scores more when he's not the focal point of the attack and Andi would be exactly the same.
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There is zero chance that if Weimann started at least 30 league games as main striker that he'd only score 6 goals or less.
Totally disagree - Danny Welbeck is a perfect example of a player who scores more when he's not the focal point of the attack and Andi would be exactly the same.
Nope Welbeck played out wide this season all the time and he scored 2 goals.
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Clearly we will be delighted when big clubs like Norwich come for Weimann offering £5m+Holt!
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If Weimann played centrally he would change our style of play completely. His energy would result in us pressing higher up the pitch meaning that the midfielders come more into the scoring equation. Bayern have played like this this season and arguably their biggest scoring threats are Muller and Robben which is largely the result of Mario Mandžukić's pressing and creating space. Mario only scored something like 15 goals this season.
Regardless, I'd prefer to keep Benteke but if he were to leave we do not necessarily need to sign a like for like replacement we could look to change our system.
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There is zero chance that if Weimann started at least 30 league games as main striker that he'd only score 6 goals or less.
Totally disagree - Danny Welbeck is a perfect example of a player who scores more when he's not the focal point of the attack and Andi would be exactly the same.
Using a striker who got 2 last season isn't helping your argument.
Besides there's a few options between Holt and Weimann we can look at. Holt is average, and more importantly is a complete knob, he's up high on the list of 'worst possible player to go for'.
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Guys, you're being fantastic at rubbishing suggestions but you're pretty thin on the ground with suggestions of your own.
Move Wiemann in to a more central role in the style we play and he'll score less than he does out wide. He's not a target man, he plays off a target man. At the moment that target man is Benteke - if we lost Benteke tomorrow who would take his place?
Andreas Cornelius
An attacking line of And, And and Gabby.
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Guys, you're being fantastic at rubbishing suggestions but you're pretty thin on the ground with suggestions of your own.
I'd not really heard of Benteke before he signed and certainly didn't know enough to have recommended him on here, the players I could recommend will be out of our price range probably so I trust Lambert and his scouts to find our next striker.
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From that youtube montage that Cornelius does look pretty special. I'd prefer us to risk 5m on him than Austin as I suspect that there is a ceiling to how good Austin can become whereas that fella looks like he could become world class. What's his pace like?
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Guys, you're being fantastic at rubbishing suggestions but you're pretty thin on the ground with suggestions of your own.
I'd not really heard of Benteke before he signed and certainly didn't know enough to have recommended him on here, the players I could recommend will be out of our price range probably so I trust Lambert and his scouts to find our next striker.
Indeed and that's the point, although I'm reasonably confident that Holt would be a terrible signing.
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From that youtube montage that Cornelius does look pretty special. I'd prefer us to risk 5m on him than Austin as I suspect that there is a ceiling to how good Austin can become whereas that fella looks like he could become world class. What's his pace like?
He certainly doesn't look slow. I'd love to see us sign him up even if Weimann and Benteke renew. He'd fit into our system, ideal replacement for Bent and given a year to bed in, a great replacement next summer for Benteke.
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A dream marketing opportunity.
(http://devilsinquisitor.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/cornelius.jpg)
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New 3 year deal is done ;D
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New 3 year deal is done ;D
Splendid.
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Brilliant to hear, that's really important.
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Good news.
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New 3 year deal is done ;D
VERY good news
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Yep happy with this.
We're a better team when he's in it. I reckon he'll get double figures in the league next year. Wasn't far off this year when you think of the bad miss v West Ham and a couple of miraculous goal line clearences from his shots.
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I a sure Weinmann is proud and considers himself very privileged to have been offered a 3 year contract at Aston Villa FC.
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Great news (if true). For once we're starting a season with a bit of continuity, the same manager, a working formation and hopefully not loosing any of our first team players.
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He has the right attitude and will continue to improve.
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Where has this been reported? Not doubting anyone of course, but i've not seen anything apart from on here.
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Nothing on the official site yet, where has this information come from?
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Only 3 years, we seem to be the only club incapable of making our stars sign long deals.
Great news though.
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Glad his head wasn't turned by the Norwich City whispers!!!!
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Well Andi has said :
What the gaffer is building here we all believe in and we just have to continue working hard for him and each other.
I think that’s what Aston Villa is about. It’s a family club.
We’re growing and getting better all the time, and I think there’s a lot of potential in the team right now because as players we’re only going to get better.
Like I said, the spirit and belief within the squad and within the club is really good.
It’s really exciting for everyone, it’s exciting for the players, it’s exciting for the fans and it’s exciting for the club.
The club is very tight-knit. A couple of weeks ago the chairman was here watching training, chatting to the manager and the lads and that’s the way we are, everybody very close.
I’ve been here for six years now and I’ve loved every minute of it.
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Glad his head wasn't turned by the Norwich City whispers!!!!
That must have been very difficult for him to ignore ... If you play for Villa and clubs like Norwich are after you you got to be pinching yourself!
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Only 3 years, we seem to be the only club incapable of making our stars sign long deals.
It's probably a 3 year extension on top of his current deal so about 4/5 years.
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Nothing on the official site yet, where has this information come from?
MK has tweeted and posted Birmingham Mail page
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/andreas-weimann-agrees-sign-new-4282760?
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Matt Kendrick is reporting it
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/andreas-weimann-agrees-sign-new-4282760
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Glad his head wasn't turned by the Norwich City whispers!!!!
It's another one for the Stripeyfilth fans to cross off their list.
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Such a relief. I really was worried he'd leave us for a bigger club. Like Norwich or Albion.
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All jokes aside, I'm very glad he's signed.
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Great stuff, come home from a weekend away and Weimann signs and we also have our first transfer. Oh, and the sun i still shining.
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Really pleased with the news. One less for the tabloids to speculate about
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What an honour for him to be able to play for us for at least another 3 years, no wonder he sounds so pleased and I'm pleased for him too
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I get the impression he likes it here. 8)
Top man Andi.
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Well Andi has said :
What the gaffer is building here we all believe in and we just have to continue working hard for him and each other.
I think that’s what Aston Villa is about. It’s a family club.
We’re growing and getting better all the time, and I think there’s a lot of potential in the team right now because as players we’re only going to get better.
Like I said, the spirit and belief within the squad and within the club is really good.
It’s really exciting for everyone, it’s exciting for the players, it’s exciting for the fans and it’s exciting for the club.
The club is very tight-knit. A couple of weeks ago the chairman was here watching training, chatting to the manager and the lads and that’s the way we are, everybody very close.
I’ve been here for six years now and I’ve loved every minute of it.
Aren't these quotes a month or so old?
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Great news. That's one sorted...
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Great news indeed but it's a pity we couldn't have made it four. Another year of him progressing at the same rate and his agent will stir things again. Two years left means we get an optimal price for him or risk him being sold on the cheap a year later.
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Well Andi has said :
What the gaffer is building here we all believe in and we just have to continue working hard for him and each other.
I think that’s what Aston Villa is about. It’s a family club.
We’re growing and getting better all the time, and I think there’s a lot of potential in the team right now because as players we’re only going to get better.
Like I said, the spirit and belief within the squad and within the club is really good.
It’s really exciting for everyone, it’s exciting for the players, it’s exciting for the fans and it’s exciting for the club.
The club is very tight-knit. A couple of weeks ago the chairman was here watching training, chatting to the manager and the lads and that’s the way we are, everybody very close.
I’ve been here for six years now and I’ve loved every minute of it.
Aren't these quotes a month or so old?
Yes.
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I thought Weimann was off to Norwich or Sunderland for a couple a mil - no?
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That's a few 3 year deals that we've concluded now. I wonder what the thinking is.
Unless of course players themselves have been insisting on three.
Maybe the club's logic is that if things go well we've back negotiating in the next year or two anyway to keep them here. If things go badly then we're not committed to long contracts for non-playing players.
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That's a few 3 year deals that we've concluded now. I wonder what the thinking is.
Unless of course players themselves have been insisting on three.
Maybe the club's logic is that if things go well we've back negotiating in the next year or two anyway to keep them here. If things go badly then we're not committed to long contracts for non-playing players.
World cup next year. Make or break? A comparatively short if useful time to have left to renegotiate or offload next summer.
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Andreas, Andreas Weimann!
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Whilst I'm pleased he is staying, these 3 year deals are a joke, we never seem to learn. All this means is we will be forced to cash in on him next summer or risk selling him for peanuts the following year. At 21 years of age he should be made to sign for 5 years, they should never have let him get to within a year of this contract.
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Whilst I'm pleased he is staying, these 3 year deals are a joke, we never seem to learn. All this means is we will be forced to cash in on him next summer or risk selling him for peanuts the following year. At 21 years of age he should be made to sign for 5 years, they should never have let him get to within a year of this contract.
Great news! Probably more important than Benteke renewing, I can see him seeing out that contract.
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Whilst I'm pleased he is staying, these 3 year deals are a joke, we never seem to learn. All this means is we will be forced to cash in on him next summer or risk selling him for peanuts the following year. At 21 years of age he should be made to sign for 5 years, they should never have let him get to within a year of this contract.
How exactly would you make him sign for 5 years?
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Whilst I'm pleased he is staying, these 3 year deals are a joke, we never seem to learn. All this means is we will be forced to cash in on him next summer or risk selling him for peanuts the following year. At 21 years of age he should be made to sign for 5 years, they should never have let him get to within a year of this contract.
And yet, at the same time, we've been bemoaning the foolishness of having put parasites like Beye, Dunne, Ireland, Hutton et al on 4 or even 5 year deals?
Can't have it both ways.
The three-year deal probably suits both parties best: if the player and club are happy after 2, the player gets an enhanced contract (and this can happen at any time from the start of the contract); if it's not going so well, the club can offload.
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Whilst I'm pleased he is staying, these 3 year deals are a joke, we never seem to learn. All this means is we will be forced to cash in on him next summer or risk selling him for peanuts the following year. At 21 years of age he should be made to sign for 5 years, they should never have let him get to within a year of this contract.
How exactly would you make him sign for 5 years?
Drug him, strap him to a chair and show him pictures of TSM every thirty seconds and tell him if he does not sign then he will play under TSM again.
That should do the job.
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Whilst I'm pleased he is staying, these 3 year deals are a joke, we never seem to learn. All this means is we will be forced to cash in on him next summer or risk selling him for peanuts the following year. At 21 years of age he should be made to sign for 5 years, they should never have let him get to within a year of this contract.
How exactly would you make him sign for 5 years?
Quite.
If we offered top dollar, then 5 years is a possibity. But if we're not, then the player and his agent will know that his earning potential increases as he develops, so won't want to be on a 21 years olds wages when he's 26.
It's a result of not giving out stupid contracts that players will no longer be trying to milk them for as long as possible.
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... we've been bemoaning the foolishness of having put parasites like Beye, Dunne, Ireland, Hutton et al on 4 or even 5 year deals?
Can't have it both ways.
This.
It's a result of not giving out stupid contracts that players will no longer be trying to milk them for as long as possible.
And this, as well.
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Personally I'll wait until I see something official.
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Don't see the problem with only three years. He's not the finished article yet and like Baker needs to prove he can progress to the next level and sustain his current progress. There's really no point in handing out long term deals to players who may just be average premiership players or worse unless that's where the club see themselves long term.
A few years back I got some stick on here for criticising the club for not opening contract negotiations early enough with some players who left eventually - the general feeling at the time being that it was too early to offer new contracts if they had 2-3+ years left. I didn't agree, and I still don't agree. The whole process should be continuously on-going and if Weimann continues doing well next season then adding a year or more should be considered before next summer.
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It's going to be like a new signing :) I'll get me coat
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Don't see the problem with only three years. He's not the finished article yet and like Baker needs to prove he can progress to the next level and sustain his current progress. There's really no point in handing out long term deals to players who may just be average premiership players or worse unless that's where the club see themselves long term.
A few years back I got some stick on here for criticising the club for not opening contract negotiations early enough with some players who left eventually - the general feeling at the time being that it was too early to offer new contracts if they had 2-3+ years left. I didn't agree, and I still don't agree. The whole process should be continuously on-going and if Weimann continues doing well next season then adding a year or more should be considered before next summer.
Totally agree Greg.
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Whilst I'm pleased he is staying, these 3 year deals are a joke, we never seem to learn. All this means is we will be forced to cash in on him next summer or risk selling him for peanuts the following year. At 21 years of age he should be made to sign for 5 years, they should never have let him get to within a year of this contract.
That's one of the ways we got ourselves in this mess in the first place.
He's a young player with one season of regular PL appearances under his belt. At this point, just as he could turn out to be a top flight player, last season could turn out to be a one off.
The contract length reflects that - give him five years and the last season turns out to be the exception rather than the norm, and we're paying him for five years, like it or not.
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A 3 year contract is fine and is more favourable for the club. If he has another good year we may wish to reward him with an improved contract with an extension to the term. If he's average, then we only have a few more years of his contract to run giving us time to off load before other clubs wise up.
I'm all for optimism regarding our younger players but we need to be business like where extending contracts is concerned. Too often have we been lumbered with high earners who are not doing it and who will quite happily sit out their contracts. There are exceptions when a real gem comes along, but the reality is, even if we do tie such a player down for the long term we still end up letting them go if the offer is exceptional.
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What would be ideal would be a 3 year contract with a club option for an extra 1 or 2 years that we can trigger. No idea how viable that is.
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What would be ideal would be a 3 year contract with a club option for an extra 1 or 2 years that we can trigger. No idea how viable that is.
I would have liked a 3 year with a further 12 month option trigger, but 3 as opposed to 5 is much more sensible for Weimann.
If Benteke wants 5, then that would be a different matter entirely!
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There might be an option for an additional year for all we know, it would still be called a 3-year contract.
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A three year deal is perfect. It essentially gives the player 2 solid years to prove to the club he isn't a flash in the pan and worth something more. It gives the club an opportunity to prove to the player they will be competing at a level to retain the player's interests. It's not too long for either side and as has been pointed what we don't know is if there are any clauses to extend the deal. It's just good to get this one out of the way and we'll all celebrate once the big man has also put pen to paper.
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Don't see the problem with only three years. He's not the finished article yet and like Baker needs to prove he can progress to the next level and sustain his current progress. There's really no point in handing out long term deals to players who may just be average premiership players or worse unless that's where the club see themselves long term.
A few years back I got some stick on here for criticising the club for not opening contract negotiations early enough with some players who left eventually - the general feeling at the time being that it was too early to offer new contracts if they had 2-3+ years left. I didn't agree, and I still don't agree. The whole process should be continuously on-going and if Weimann continues doing well next season then adding a year or more should be considered before next summer.
It's not really a matter of how long the contract is, but rather how near to the end if it you start negotiating. I think 2 years is about right, with the goal of then having it tied up before he enters that dangerous 12 months left period.
Players like Benteke are the exception to that where they are on comparatively low wages compared to their contribution and genuinely warrant an increase.
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Isn't Michael Johnson still getting a ludicrous amount of money off man city after one good season?
It's a fine balance between showing comittment to the player and making them think they've already made it.
Whichever option the club choose they're going to be wrong from some fans's perspective.
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Isn't Michael Johnson still getting a ludicrous amount of money off man city after one good season?
It's a fine balance between showing comittment to the player and making them think they've already made it.
Whichever option the club choose they're going to be wrong from some fans's perspective.
More a of being wrong if it goes wrong. Hindsight and all that!
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Isn't Michael Johnson still getting a ludicrous amount of money off man city after one good season?
It's a fine balance between showing comittment to the player and making them think they've already made it.
Whichever option the club choose they're going to be wrong from some fans's perspective.
They finally managed to get rid of him tail end of last year.
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They've just got rid of Roque Santa Cruz too. £17.5 million, 4 year contract, 20 games and 3 goals. He was loaned out for most of the contract but you'd imagine that city were paying most if not all his wages.
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They've just got rid of Roque Santa Cruz too. £17.5 million, 4 year contract, 20 games and 3 goals. He was loaned out for most of the contract but you'd imagine that city were paying most if not all his wages.
Another Mark Hughes gem. I know MON is the template for wastefulness, but my goodness Hughes has just as an unenviable record of destruction that he leaves in his wake.
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They've just got rid of Roque Santa Cruz too. £17.5 million, 4 year contract, 20 games and 3 goals. He was loaned out for most of the contract but you'd imagine that city were paying most if not all his wages.
Another Mark Hughes gem. I know MON is the template for wastefulness, but my goodness Hughes has just as an unenviable record of destruction that he leaves in his wake.
True, although he did better under Hughes at BRFC - 26 goals in 67 games; for a fee of £3.5m.
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They've just got rid of Roque Santa Cruz too. £17.5 million, 4 year contract, 20 games and 3 goals. He was loaned out for most of the contract but you'd imagine that city were paying most if not all his wages.
I have to admit in a hushed voice, there was a time I thought he would be a good signing for us
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I think a 3 year deal is just about right you can always extend it by a year or two if he does well.
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Andi has just tweeted confirmation that he's signed his new contract
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He's signed, it's official.
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They've just got rid of Roque Santa Cruz too. £17.5 million, 4 year contract, 20 games and 3 goals. He was loaned out for most of the contract but you'd imagine that city were paying most if not all his wages.
Another Mark Hughes gem. I know MON is the template for wastefulness, but my goodness Hughes has just as an unenviable record of destruction that he leaves in his wake.
They've just got rid of Roque Santa Cruz too. £17.5 million, 4 year contract, 20 games and 3 goals. He was loaned out for most of the contract but you'd imagine that city were paying most if not all his wages.
Another Mark Hughes gem. I know MON is the template for wastefulness, but my goodness Hughes has just as an unenviable record of destruction that he leaves in his wake.
True, although he did better under Hughes at BRFC - 26 goals in 67 games; for a fee of £3.5m.
when Mark Hughes had limited funds he was a lot better and more shrewd in the market because he had to be. When given almost free reign with a transfer budget, or at least where there are limited checks and balances he lines up with quite well with MON and his profligacy.
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Great news.
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From the OS....great words from the young man, sounds like one of us.....
Andreas Weimann admitted that the "feeling of being at home here at Aston Villa" and the "potential within this young, exciting team" helped persuade him to put pen to paper on a new three-year deal which will run to 2016.
The 21-year-old Austrian international forward also acknowledged that he "owes the manager and the Club" having been trusted by Paul Lambert to play in 38 games in all competitions in his breakthrough season in 2012-13.
"I'm really happy that I've signed. I love the Club and it's been brilliant for me, for I have a feeling of being at home here at Aston Villa," Weimann said.
"I've been here for six seasons now, having started with the Academy in 2006, and last season was tremendous for me and terrific for the team the way we played over the second half of a really demanding campaign.
"On a personal level, I didn't expect at the start of the season that it would go the way it did, with me being involved and starting games almost the whole of the way through.
"It was exciting to be part of the team's development because the potential within this young, exciting team is really strong.
"The last several months of the season we played really well and got better and better as season went on. Hopefully, we can continue on like we finished and that will be the challenge.
"Like the other young players in the team, I want to keep improving as a player and keep pushing Villa as high as we can in the Premier League.
"I feel like I owe the manager and the Club because the manager backed me last season after he came in and I have always felt comfortable and really supported at the Club.
"The supporters, too, have been brilliant with me and they've really taken to me which I'm delighted about. It means everything to know you have support like that. The whole team feels the same way.
"It's great to be a part of an exciting future at Villa. I'm sure the manager will bring in more new faces to help us and this will make us stronger.
"We stuck together last season and having so many young players helped because we grew together as a team and improved as well as players. That's why I want to continue to do my best for the Club."
Weimann signed for Villa aged 15, having started his career at Rapid Vienna.
Weimann went on two loan spells to Watford FC, making 22 appearances in all and scoring four goals.
He made his debut against West Ham United in August 2010, coming on as a substitute to replace Ashley Young.
However, his progress was halted when he sustained an ankle injury in a Europa League game against his former club Rapid Vienna. Weimann continued to make strides in the first team in the latter half of the 2011-12 season.
After scoring two hat-tricks for the reserves and following the season-ending injury to Darren Bent, Weimann came on for Charles N'Zogbia against Fulham in March 2012.
He scored a last-minute winner, bundling the ball into the net following a Gary Gardner shot.
He scored again against Stoke at Villa Park with a goal that was voted Villa's goal of the season.
The 2012-13 season saw Weimann become a first team regular, appearing in 38 games in all competitions and scoring 12 goals including a brace against eventual champions Manchester United and a goal against Liverpool that was runner-up in the Club's goal of the season competition.
Weimann has also made the step up to international football, having appeared six times for Austria.
"Andi has shown a great work ethic and that's the big thing about him along with his quality," said Lambert.
"He has drive and a hunger to succeed and that's vital. That's what we're looking for here at Villa.
"He got a sustained run at it last season and he showed the quality that marks him out as a natural finisher. He definitely knows where the goal is and his performances on that right side, coming off the lines, have been really great.
"Whether Andi Weimann is on x-amount of money or not, you'll always get the same player but we're delighted obviously that we've agreed this new deal."
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Glad it's been confirmed, now to get Benteke signed up.
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Nice to see his interview on SSN just. A shorter version of the quotes above, but comes across as someone who is genuinely excited to play for us and appreciated being a Villa player.
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Good news that he has signed - happy will be orgasmic if/when we can get Benteke signed too :)
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Good news. Now for his strike partner...
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@WhoScored: Andreas Weimann: Aston Villa won 10 of the 26 Premier League games Weimann started this season, whilst winning none of the 12 he missed
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Who needs Barbados when we've got Andi Weimann, WAAAY, Andi Weimann (Macarena style).
You had to be there.
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Oh my god! - is that the new away pen? - it just looks so cheap and tacky - you won`t catch me buying one of those ;)
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Great news, and we'll see more improvement from him next season as he's an intelligent player and a natural finisher.
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Oh my god! - is that the new away pen? - it just looks so cheap and tacky - you won`t catch me buying one of those ;)
Most of them don't even work for long either, I bought a job lot once they were crap
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Great news and sends out the right sort of message to other players and clubs.
Aston Villa are keeping their promising, improving young players and have plans to start going places! :-)
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Who needs Barbados when we've got Andi Weimann, WAAAY, Andi Weimann (Macarena style).
You had to be there.
I just said the same! Great news.
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Well done Andi and Villa
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I like the training top
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I like the training top
I'd like a black version of it.
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I like the training top
Yes, so do i. I hope Macron do some better casual wear than they did last season. That's one thing Nike did really well.
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Predicting a massive season for Weimann, reminds me of Alan Shearer.
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Predicting a massive season for Weimann, reminds me of Alan Shearer.
A shit T.V pundit ?
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Predicting a massive season for Weimann, reminds me of Alan Shearer.
Weird accent?
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He got injured yesterday didn't he, any news on whether it may be serious?
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Predicting a massive season for Weimann, reminds me of Alan Shearer.
A thug of a player?
I can't think of a player more less like Shearer to be honest. Different players.
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Weimann reminds me a lot of Dirk Kuyt.
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Shearer only became a thug when he got old, fat, bald and rich.
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Weimann reminds me a lot of Dirk Kuyt.
Paul dickov but much much better for me, but theme is there with Kuyt
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Predicting a massive season for Weimann, reminds me of Alan Shearer.
He's going to help relegate Newcastle.
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Whatever you think of his character, Shearer could score goals from 35 yards, or 5 yards.
He also went back to the club he supported, when he could have had more money and many more medals.
I've got nothing but respect for his playing career (He might have been a little dirty sometimes, but I quite enjoy a bit of old fashioned thuggery on the pitch)
He is a bore on tv though.
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I think Andy can strike a ball with the sort of conviction Shearer could. He's got a very good shooting technique when he gets into good positions. If he develops a bit of Shearers composure and upper body strength he'll be a 20 goal forward for sure.
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I think comparing him to Shearer is massively premature. Shearer was one of the most impressive forwards in English football history with a tremendous goalscoring record at club and international level. He could score every type of goal and bullied defenders, often very unfairly. Still, it's hard to argue his record and I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves comparing Weimann to him.
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I think comparing him to Shearer is massively premature. Shearer was one of the most impressive forwards in English football history with a tremendous goalscoring record at club and international level. He could score every type of goal and bullied defenders, often very unfairly. Still, it's hard to argue his record and I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves comparing Weimann to him.
for sure. Just elements of his game are similar. Thrilled we have kept both him and Benteke.
Its been a great summer for Villa so far.
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Think i had forgotten how good Shearer was until i read TVs post. I think what generally gets forgotten is that, despite being seen as a geordie figurehead and toon legend, he arguably peaked at Blackburn, he had lost some of his agility and briliance by the time he went to newcastle.
As has been said on this forum re Bent also, modern strikers need more to their game than finishing alone, and it will be interesting to see whether Weiman can improve his all round game- his touch and decision making are sometimes poor.
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Whatever you think of his character, Shearer could score goals from 35 yards, or 5 yards.
He also went back to the club he supported, when he could have had more money and many more medals.
I've got nothing but respect for his playing career (He might have been a little dirty sometimes, but I quite enjoy a bit of old fashioned thuggery on the pitch)
He is a bore on tv though.
He went to Newcastle after they'd finished second. I'd make a decent bet that he signed because he thought he was going to win things there, not just for some altruistic love of the club.
She-Ra was a great goalscorer but also a complete scumbag. Who can forget Neil Lennon headbutting his boot.
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Weimann reminds me a lot of Dirk Kuyt.
A poor mans Ronney.
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Rooney even
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It's not the next Shearer we need, it's the next Beardsley, the little ugly genius.
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She-Ra was a great goalscorer but also a complete scumbag. Who can forget Neil Lennon headbutting his boot.
Lennon was a very lucky man to get away with that. I noticed that the ref was in an awkward position (Looking directly at the incident from 10 yards away) so no red for Lennon!
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Surprised nobody has mentioned Shearer doing his best to blind Ugo.
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Shearer always got his retaliation in first. As Keith Leonard used to say 'its the law of the jungle out there'. Centre forwards have to contend
with hulking physical centre halves whose aim is to stop the opposition centre forward scoring in any way they can.
Shearer could deal with this and score goals.
The Dirk Kuyt comparison is appropriate except Weimann is a goalscorer. Dirk Kuyt found that hard,
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Dirk Kuyt probably looked more at home out wide but otherwise yes, a very good comparison.
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Weimann is one of the most determined forwards I have seen play. He doesnt give up, ever. I like that. I have a feeling next season he is going to surprise a lot of people.
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Surprised nobody has mentioned Shearer doing his best to blind Ugo.
I also remember Shearer kicking out at Bossie after he'd kicked the ball from hand
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Think i had forgotten how good Shearer was until i read TVs post. I think what generally gets forgotten is that, despite being seen as a geordie figurehead and toon legend, he arguably peaked at Blackburn, he had lost some of his agility and briliance by the time he went to newcastle.
As has been said on this forum re Bent also, modern strikers need more to their game than finishing alone, and it will be interesting to see whether Weiman can improve his all round game- his touch and decision making are sometimes poor.
Weimann's all round game/role in the team is fine because he's there to get at defenders and annoy them. He's one of the hardest working forwards you'll ever see. His touch is generally ok and that's largely confidence related so no worries with that and things like decision making, vision, etc all improve naturally with time. He's still only 21 so he's got time on his side but his all round game is easily good enough to play wide in a 3 for a top half premier league side.
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Mat Kendrick reporting in the B'ham Mail that Andi has a hip injury and will be out for about two weeks, which isn't too serious thankfully. Absolute prat the Wycombe player that 'crunched' into him with that challenge.
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Taking stock during the break. Of all our regular starters I have been more than a little disappointed with his start to the season. The winner against City of course is a ray of sunshine in an other wise rather barren season for the young lad. He has looked toothless and his finishing has been lamentable. He drifts out of the game too much playing wide. I think I'd rather see him through the middle whilst Benteke is out of the side and Kozak still finding his feet. Thoughts chaps?
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I think he would rather play through the middle too and the longer he goes out-of-form on the wing, the more frustrated I think he'll get.
He's got a good attitude and perseverance but he should take note of Gabby and realise that there is always scope for cutting infield and getting shots away.
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I'd certainly like to have seen him played as the main striker with Benteke out but evidently Lambert can only seem to play with a big guy up front.
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I dont think its a coincidence that the only game this season where he has played through the middle, he scored a goal and won a free kick that we scored from.
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He has talent, works hard and did well in that position last season. He seems to have a bit of second season syndrome at the moment but he will be fine.
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I think there's a place for Wiemann playing just off Kozak. It worked fairly well. I honestly think playing wide right, he looks like a square peg in a round hole. He filled in reasonably well last season but even so he had a lot of games where he was completely anonymous. His form was slipping in the last couple of months of last season.
When we're not playing 4-3-3, I'd like to see us switch to a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-2-3-1, and have Andy through the middle as the second striker behind Kojak.
Long term, if he continues being played on the right it's not going to be good for him. He could either be a potentially very good front man, or a mediocre wide man. We have options now, it's not needs must any more, so I don't understand why Andy still gets played out of position.
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Once Benteke is back though, how best would you accommodate Wiemann?
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Once Benteke is back though, how best would you accommodate Wiemann?
you go back to what works and that is Gabby and Andi either side of Benteke.
Young players are going to have dips in form. We shouldn't be too harsh on any of them. He works hard and just needs a few goals to get him back on track. Gabby hasn't scored yet but isn't getting the same amount attention. Both will be better with the big man back in the side.
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Once Benteke is back though, how best would you accommodate Wiemann?
I would either play him off CB, or rest him. I think Wiemann could have a field day playing just off Benteke, at times last season they read each other very well. I don't mind Wiemann filling in on the right every now and again, but it shouldn't become his primary position. If it does I don't see him having much of a career at this level. In the long run he's got to be more central. I also think he'd be better playing on the left than the right if he has to play one of the wide positions. That way he's cutting in, onto his favoured foot. The trouble is, Gabby is playing fairly well and plays better left side than right.
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Once Benteke is back though, how best would you accommodate Wiemann?
I would either play him off CB, or rest him. I think Wiemann could have a field day playing just off Benteke, at times last season they read each other very well. I don't mind Wiemann filling in on the right every now and again, but it shouldn't become his primary position. If it does I don't see him having much of a career at this level. In the long run he's got to be more central. I also think he'd be better playing on the left than the right if he has to play one of the wide positions. That way he's cutting in, onto his favoured foot. The trouble is, Gabby is playing fairly well and plays better left side than right.
Weimann
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The thing is with Weimann is his work-rate. The guy never stops. Whilst this season he hasn't been as good in an attacking sense as he was towards the end of last season, I don't think we have another player in his position (other than Gabby, who'd be playing anyway) to do as much graft and chasing.
I'd perservere with him until Xmas at least to get back up to how he was in an attacking sense.
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Once Benteke is back though, how best would you accommodate Wiemann?
I would either play him off CB, or rest him. I think Wiemann could have a field day playing just off Benteke, at times last season they read each other very well. I don't mind Wiemann filling in on the right every now and again, but it shouldn't become his primary position. If it does I don't see him having much of a career at this level. In the long run he's got to be more central. I also think he'd be better playing on the left than the right if he has to play one of the wide positions. That way he's cutting in, onto his favoured foot. The trouble is, Gabby is playing fairly well and plays better left side than right.
Weimann
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Next you'll be telling me it's Clark instead of Clarke.
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I think Weimann could do with losing a few pounds too, or building some muscle. I think his stamina and speed might improve if he loses weight, or if he wants some increased upper body strength then a bit more gym work might be in order.
I do think he gets overworked though. There were times last season he was in major need of a rest. Or games where he'd died a death after 70 minutes but stayed on. This season has been similar. A spell out might not be the worst thing for him either, just to give him extra incentive to improve.
He does run himself into the ground though as CBBB says and that's difficult to replace. Either we play Bacuna or Albrighton on the right flank to match that work rate.
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What Weimann needs to learn is when to come inside and when to stay wide. The position as an 'inside right' is very well suited for his style, but he needs to get his decisions right.
Aside from that where he's struggled a little this season has been his finishing, oddly he's been snatching at things rather than trusting his technique. Once he gets his confidence back in front of goal he'll start looking back to his best, it's worth pointing out that just on the chances he's had he could easily be 203 goals better off this year, if he was on 5 from 8-9 appearances would anyone be questioning his performances?
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What Weimann needs to learn is when to come inside and when to stay wide. The position as an 'inside right' is very well suited for his style, but he needs to get his decisions right.
Aside from that where he's struggled a little this season has been his finishing, oddly he's been snatching at things rather than trusting his technique. Once he gets his confidence back in front of goal he'll start looking back to his best, it's worth pointing out that just on the chances he's had he could easily be 203 goals better off this year, if he was on 5 from 8-9 appearances would anyone be questioning his performances?
I also think that this is why if he's going to play on one side, he'd be better on the left, rather than the right. His left foot isn't great and he's found himself in a few situation where he's not been able to get a clean contact, or he's had to try and check back onto his right. I think he'd have more joy playing inside left, if he's not going to be playing centrally.
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203 goals better...blimey, is Weimann a Ronaldo in-waiting to happen?
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ronaldo won't be fit to wipe his boots.
Either that or i have fat fingers and don't copy read very well and intended to type 2-3
I think I'd prefer the former.
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Once Benteke is back though, how best would you accommodate Wiemann?
I would either play him off CB, or rest him. I think Wiemann could have a field day playing just off Benteke, at times last season they read each other very well. I don't mind Wiemann filling in on the right every now and again, but it shouldn't become his primary position. If it does I don't see him having much of a career at this level. In the long run he's got to be more central. I also think he'd be better playing on the left than the right if he has to play one of the wide positions. That way he's cutting in, onto his favoured foot. The trouble is, Gabby is playing fairly well and plays better left side than right.
Weimann
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Next you'll be telling me it's Clark instead of Clarke.
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yes, thank goodness you didn't do that. You might have gotten blasted by a few people!!
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What Weimann needs to learn is when to come inside and when to stay wide. The position as an 'inside right' is very well suited for his style, but he needs to get his decisions right.
Aside from that where he's struggled a little this season has been his finishing, oddly he's been snatching at things rather than trusting his technique. Once he gets his confidence back in front of goal he'll start looking back to his best, it's worth pointing out that just on the chances he's had he could easily be 203 goals better off this year, if he was on 5 from 8-9 appearances would anyone be questioning his performances?
A somewhat ridiculous question. If he had 5 goals this year this thread wouldn't have been on page 5 of the forum (in my format at least), the fact that nobody had posted since July 22nd tells you he's not been ripping up the carpet. He hasn't looked like scoring one, the one he got was a toe end flick that bobbled over the line. (edit) That said I really couldn't give less of a defecation how that goal went in, for me it was perfect =D.
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The thing is with Weimann is his work-rate. The guy never stops. Whilst this season he hasn't been as good in an attacking sense as he was towards the end of last season, I don't think we have another player in his position (other than Gabby, who'd be playing anyway) to do as much graft and chasing.
I'd perservere with him until Xmas at least to get back up to how he was in an attacking sense.
Weimann has great finishing - okay, we've not seen it that much so far this season; but he's a finisher and he'll come good again as long as he gets into the right places on the pitch.
He undoubtedly works well with Benteke but I think that teams are now much more aware of what he can do and so it is bound to be tougher for him this season.
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What Weimann needs to learn is when to come inside and when to stay wide. The position as an 'inside right' is very well suited for his style, but he needs to get his decisions right.
Aside from that where he's struggled a little this season has been his finishing, oddly he's been snatching at things rather than trusting his technique. Once he gets his confidence back in front of goal he'll start looking back to his best, it's worth pointing out that just on the chances he's had he could easily be 203 goals better off this year, if he was on 5 from 8-9 appearances would anyone be questioning his performances?
A somewhat ridiculous question. If he had 5 goals this year this thread wouldn't have been on page 5 of the forum (in my format at least), the fact that nobody had posted since July 22nd tells you he's not been ripping up the carpet. He hasn't looked like scoring one, the one he got was a toe end flick that bobbled over the line. (edit) That said I really couldn't give less of a defecation how that goal went in, for me it was perfect =D.
He's been in position for several chances that with a bit more luck might have gone in. Think of the opportunities at Chelsea for example. He scored an absolute screamer against Rotherham too. It's only about the goals he has scored but about his application. He's going through a lean patch right now and his task is to work his way through it. All strikers go through and the good ones come out the other side better players. We need to be patient.
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What Weimann needs to learn is when to come inside and when to stay wide. The position as an 'inside right' is very well suited for his style, but he needs to get his decisions right.
Aside from that where he's struggled a little this season has been his finishing, oddly he's been snatching at things rather than trusting his technique. Once he gets his confidence back in front of goal he'll start looking back to his best, it's worth pointing out that just on the chances he's had he could easily be 203 goals better off this year, if he was on 5 from 8-9 appearances would anyone be questioning his performances?
A somewhat ridiculous question. If he had 5 goals this year this thread wouldn't have been on page 5 of the forum (in my format at least), the fact that nobody had posted since July 22nd tells you he's not been ripping up the carpet. He hasn't looked like scoring one, the one he got was a toe end flick that bobbled over the line. (edit) That said I really couldn't give less of a defecation how that goal went in, for me it was perfect =D.
He's been in position for several chances that with a bit more luck might have gone in. Think of the opportunities at Chelsea for example. He scored an absolute screamer against Rotherham too. It's only about the goals he has scored but about his application. He's going through a lean patch right now and his task is to work his way through it. All strikers go through and the good ones come out the other side better players. We need to be patient.
Which is exactly the point I was making, if he takes a chance vs Chelsea and the one that bobbled to him against Hull and there wouldn't be comments about his form, it's very much based on fine margins and I think some of the comments about his poor start to the season I've seen are well wide of the mark.
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where he's struggled a little this season has been his finishing, oddly he's been snatching at things rather than trusting his technique.
I said elsewhere that Weimann's problem at the moment is lack of composure at times - hence snatching at shots, mis-controlling, and looking as if he's trying too hard. Last season he had some great instinctive finishes (the first against Man Yoo, Norwich in the League Cup) where he just looked relaxed and stroked it in. It's maybe a confidence thing, but maybe the hard graft is taking away from his finishing composure too much. Many a manager used to say they didn't want their goalscorers chasing around the pitch too much as they wanted them sharp and focussed for when they get on the the end of chances. Which is how strikers like Lineker thrived (and Bent I suppose). His movement off the ball is still good, and much better than most of our team, and i think he'll come through his rough patch and be a big asset for us.
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Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.
But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.
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Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.
But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.
I think at home it might have to be tried.
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Yes I agree. I think bacuna on the right, playing a bit more tucked in perhaps
But still leaves us lacking creativity in Central areas. But then unless helenius can play that number ten role or Gardner comes through pretty stunningly, I think the only option is Tonev. And let's say he needs to adapt!
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Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.
But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.
It does suggest a 4231 should at least be tried with Weimann in the centre. His rightly heralded energy should compliment the two deeper midfielders too. Maybe with Bacuna or Albrighton on the right. With Bacuna it'd be a team positively buzzing with energy but still missing a bit of guile (which is problem we face regardless of formation or selection).
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Weimann's best position is clearly behind the striker, lambert has said as such.
But that means a two man midfield and we don't look convincing playing that away too often, for me. We've not done so once this season.
I think his best position is playing as a poacher. I've always thought he is a more glorified version of Bent. I would've liked to have see Weimann in Houllier's 4-2-3-1.
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Well for Spurs we could play Sylla as the wide one of the midfield three like he was against City, Gabby on the left (although I'm not convinced he should always start every single home game we play) and Weimann in the hole behind Benny, it's worth a try I think.
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Well for Spurs we could play Sylla as the wide one of the midfield three like he was against City, Gabby on the left (although I'm not convinced he should always start every single home game we play) and Weimann in the hole behind Benny, it's worth a try I think.
Not sure I follow. 4321 but with gabby on the left of the two and nobody on the right?
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Well for Spurs we could play Sylla as the wide one of the midfield three like he was against City, Gabby on the left (although I'm not convinced he should always start every single home game we play) and Weimann in the hole behind Benny, it's worth a try I think.
Not sure I follow. 4321 but with gabby on the left of the two and nobody on the right?
Possibly a 4-4-2 how we played for a while under O Neill. When we had no right sided mid. Normally Coker would play a tucked in RCM role, while Ash provided almost all the width.
Sylla playing that narrow right sided role could work I guess. But I'm not sure I'd re-arrange the team that much just to fit Weimann in. He's not indispensable just yet.
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Personally, at home, I'd like to play this:
Guzan
Bacuna. Vlaar. Clark. Luna
Sylla.
Delph.
Weimann. Helenius. Gabby.
Beast.
I've always been a fan of this formation, but the 3 behind the beast interchanging (and occasionally himself as he likes pulling wide at times). You need intelligent enough players mind, so maybe not, but defenders really struggle to pick players up if you pull it off. Only a suggestion for teams we need to break down at home but understand they 'may' not be capable. I think Liverpool look at there best with Gerrard and Lucas behind an interchangeable front 4. They have Coutinho though. And Suarez. And Sturridge.
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I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.
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I watched a Dortmund game a few weeks ago where they ended up winning 6-2 and with their players, their 4-2-3-1 formation was great to watch. I think a lot of time our midfield would get overloaded though and we don't have the movement that someone like Dortmund has. It's certainly something to aim for though.
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I watched a Dortmund game a few weeks ago where they ended up winning 6-2 and with their players, their 4-2-3-1 formation was great to watch. I think a lot of time our midfield would get overloaded though and we don't have the movement that someone like Dortmund has. It's certainly something to aim for though.
Yeah I completely agree, I don't think we could pull it off yet but 'something to aim for' is exactly what I think.
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I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.
Do you think Westwood could play the AM role? I'm curious, I know a lot of the criticism is that his balls are generally not 'cutting edge' and are all a bit Joe Allen, but that could be the oppo for him to actually create chances. Don't know, just want us creating more at bastard home!
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I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.
Do you think Westwood could play the AM role? I'm curious, I know a lot of the criticism is that his balls are generally not 'cutting edge' and are all a bit Joe Allen, but that could be the oppo for him to actually create chances. Don't know, just want us creating more at bastard home!
I doubt it, westwood (and kea for that matter) is a tempo setter, his game isn't about cutting people apart, it's about getting the ball to other people, in the right areas, so they can cut people apart. Where he's struggled this season it's largely be cause him and kea are trying to do the same things, but KEA is a touch more mobile so gets bypassed too often. I don't really get why we've tried to play both, either or with 2 from Delph, Sylla, Bacuna (and potentially Johnson and Gardner).
4231 should be an option in the premier league rather than the go to tactic, too many sides have big powerful midfields that you need to compete against to earn the right to play.
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I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.
Do you think Westwood could play the AM role? I'm curious, I know a lot of the criticism is that his balls are generally not 'cutting edge' and are all a bit Joe Allen, but that could be the oppo for him to actually create chances. Don't know, just want us creating more at bastard home!
I doubt it, westwood (and kea for that matter) is a tempo setter, his game isn't about cutting people apart, it's about getting the ball to other people, in the right areas, so they can cut people apart. Where he's struggled this season it's largely be cause him and kea are trying to do the same things, but KEA is a touch more mobile so gets bypassed too often. I don't really get why we've tried to play both, either or with 2 from Delph, Sylla, Bacuna (and potentially Johnson and Gardner).
4231 should be an option in the premier league rather than the go to tactic, too many sides have big powerful midfields that you need to compete against to earn the right to play.
Playing both KEA and Westwood always baffles me. I'm a fan of Lambert on the whole, and although it's easy to say from the stands, but it seems so blindingly obvious that it doesn't work.
Pretty much all managers have (imo) blind spots though. How does cleverly play at international level? Or at United?
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I prefer Westwood but fear the back 4 would be as exposed akin to last season ifwe had that. But, in saying that, Delph's progression has also seen him do the defensive work a lot better.
Do you think Westwood could play the AM role? I'm curious, I know a lot of the criticism is that his balls are generally not 'cutting edge' and are all a bit Joe Allen, but that could be the oppo for him to actually create chances. Don't know, just want us creating more at bastard home!
I doubt it, westwood (and kea for that matter) is a tempo setter, his game isn't about cutting people apart, it's about getting the ball to other people, in the right areas, so they can cut people apart. Where he's struggled this season it's largely be cause him and kea are trying to do the same things, but KEA is a touch more mobile so gets bypassed too often. I don't really get why we've tried to play both, either or with 2 from Delph, Sylla, Bacuna (and potentially Johnson and Gardner).
4231 should be an option in the premier league rather than the go to tactic, too many sides have big powerful midfields that you need to compete against to earn the right to play.
Playing both KEA and Westwood always baffles me. I'm a fan of Lambert on the whole, and although it's easy to say from the stands, but it seems so blindingly obvious that it doesn't work.
I agree with this. It's definately one or the other with Sylla and Delph and away from home I think i'd go with KEA.
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I still believe that Sylla holding and KEA and Delph playing slightly further up is our strongest midfield three.
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I seem to be in a minority, but I really believe there is good forward in there somewhere. Not sure why he got so much abuse being relatively young and hard working
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He looks like he's lost some weight too. Looks a lot leaner. Lets hope he can find the form again that made us all rather excited about his emergence 2 seasons ago.
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I have to say, I think El Ahmadi is a bloody awful player, one of the most ineffectual players since Paul Mortimer.
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He looks like he's lost some weight too. Looks a lot leaner. Lets hope he can find the form again that made us all rather excited about his emergence 2 seasons ago.
Thought he looked a bit trimmed down too.
If he can get that sharpness back of a few seasons ago (ffs he's on'y a babby) he's a handful!
(For defenders, not like that, you dirty minded fu**ers!)
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He's a funny one Weimann. His touch and awareness are appalling at times. And then he pops up with a goal, often against top sides.
Not sure what to make of him, still.
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I like Weimann, I think he'd be a really good player in his wide right role if his first touch was better. He makes very good runs into gaps where defenders don't want to follow and he's got good vision to pick passes around the edge of he box, but he lets himself down with his touch too often, I'd have him working on his basic technical skills regularly in training. I'd do the same with Bacuna who has the same flaw but I think basic skills should be worked on constantly anyway, like all sports everything becomes easier if the basics just happen naturally.
His other major issue last season was that he didn't look as fit as I'd like but as others have commented he does seem to have addressed that this summer.
Finally, when he broke through the best thing about his game was that he always worked the keeper, last season his shooting was off target far too often. Like Tonev he seemed to be trying too hard most of the time, he just needs to relax and play his natural game.
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having such poor possession must make it extremely difficult for the attacking players too - not surprising they may snatch at the few chances they manage to get.
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Andi is a centre forward and although he was poor last season, he was by and large being asked to play wide, when that isn't his game. Play him through the middle and he will score goals.
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If gabby has a mare at Stoke I'd bomb squad him and play wiseman up top
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The problem is if you play him through the middle he has to have a partner and that obviously restricts your formation to 442, 352 etc
We can't make decisions based on each individual player's best position. Similar to Darren bent position.
(I think I've made this point about fifty times now so I am going to try and stop!)
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The problem is if you play him through the middle he has to have a partner and that obviously restricts your formation to 442, 352 etc
We can't make decisions based on each individual player's best position. Similar to Darren bent position.
(I think I've made this point about fifty times now so I am going to try and stop!)
You could play him behind the striker, either Gabby or Bent in this case. He was effective in a wide position but only when we played that three man forward line which I am not sure we will see much of this year.
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You can, but that means you play two in midfield. Maybe sanchez and Delph are strong enough as a pair to do that. Generally Westwood and Delph hasn't been. And you don't have any real creativity in central areasif you do that. Perhaps now we at least have a touch more creativity wide than we did last season.
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Andi has been dropped by Austria
Da Beeb
Disappointment for Aston Villa striker Andreas Weimann as he's left out of Austria's squad for next month's European Championship qualifier against Sweden.
Weimann scored the winner in Villa's opening day win at Stoke, but he's overlooked in favour of 1860 Munich striker Rubin Okotie, who wins his first call-up in five years.
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Weimanns touch is not good enough at this level.
He is a modern day Paul Dickov, but his running off the ball is worse. Decent impact player particularly when we are chasing the game.
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He was back to woeful against Newcastle. Really poor.
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He knows he's a guaranteed starter, and that's the problem at present.
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He knows he's a guaranteed starter, and that's the problem at present.
Not for much longer surely, with Kozak and Benteke returning shortly.
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Weimanns touch is not good enough at this level.
He is a modern day Paul Dickov, but his running off the ball is worse. Decent impact player particularly when we are chasing the game.
His touch isn't good enough at this level and it certainly isn't good enough at international level.
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I feel for Andi considering he's the top scorer at the moment at a team just two points off the top. Not sure what more he can do for Austria to select him.
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I would say he's all fart and no sh#t but he doesn't even break wind. Rubbish player and needs replacing pronto.
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He knows he's a guaranteed starter, and that's the problem at present.
Not for much longer surely, with Kozak and Benteke returning shortly.
They're not that close to returning, though, are they? Both still a month plus away, and even when they do, there's no guarantee they will be back and 100 percent immediately.
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Play Weimann up front and forget about sticking him out wide. His one asset is he can score goals. He has neither the pace or skill to be much use wandering around on the wing.
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Puts a lot of effort in but doesn't achieve much. He is our only goalscorer so far though and probably our best hope for a goal at the moment.
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He's a CF. I think it's simply a case of him being played woefully out of position. This lad will score goals if played as a CF I believe.
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How do you think he feels at being the only centre forward at the club who isn't either injured or 12, only to be still played out of position?
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I don't know why so many people jump to the conclusion he needs a kick up the arse or to work harder. Surely the evidence is much more that he does work hard, but he lacks quality, confidence and composure. He's either out of form or not good enough or both
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He's a CF. I think it's simply a case of him being played woefully out of position. This lad will score goals if played as a CF I believe.
Indeed. He needs to play up front, and in front of a decent midfield. Against Newcastle it seemed to me that our midfield action consisted mainly of Delph trying to take people on with a surging run, before passing it back to Westwood, who'd then never give it away, but would never pick a pass that led to anything much. I'd like to see a team like this given a go until Benteke or Kozak are fit:
Hutton Vlaar Senderos/Okore Cissokho
N'Zogbia Sanchez Cole Richardson
Gabby Weimann
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He's a CF. I think it's simply a case of him being played woefully out of position. This lad will score goals if played as a CF I believe.
Indeed. He needs to play up front, and in front of a decent midfield. Against Newcastle it seemed to me that our midfield action consisted mainly of Delph trying to take people on with a surging run, before passing it back to Westwood, who'd then never give it away, but would never pick a pass that led to anything much. I'd like to see a team like this given a go until Benteke or Kozak are fit:
Hutton Vlaar Senderos/Okore Cissokho
N'Zogbia Sanchez Cole Richardson
Gabby Weimann
Drop Gabby for Delph and I'd agree.
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There's some harsh assessment here for a fella that can clearly finish - goals agin' Liverpool and Manure in the season before last attest to that. I think he has good positioning and scoring instincts ... but he needs to be played in a team that is going forwards rather than one that is always on the back foot.
I'd say: cut him some slack, don't overplay him and pick him in a side that can play him in on goal.
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There's some harsh assessment here for a fella that can clearly finish - goals agin' Liverpool and Manure in the season before last attest to that. I think he has good positioning and scoring instincts ... but he needs to be played in a team that is going forwards rather than one that is always on the back foot.
I'd say: cut him some slack, don't overplay him and pick him in a side that can play him in on goal.
I agree.
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There's some harsh assessment here for a fella that can clearly finish - goals agin' Liverpool and Manure in the season before last attest to that. I think he has good positioning and scoring instincts ... but he needs to be played in a team that is going forwards rather than one that is always on the back foot.
I'd say: cut him some slack, don't overplay him and pick him in a side that can play him in on goal.
Agree about his scoring instinct, maybe it does not help playing with Gabby, we could do worse than trying him in the centre and told to run the channels.
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Weimann has scores some terrific goals for us. He's far more instinctive than Gabby at the moment. He just needs to continue to develop and important get himself into better positons. You'd think he was a write off given some of the comments.
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I would give him go up front in partnership with Bent. Something different, it might just work.
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I can't believe the notion of stick him up front he will score. He misses as many as Gabby, his control in possession suggests we will give the ball away as much if not more than now and he does not have the physical strength to lead the line.
As for dropping Delph and playing a 4-4-2 with Joe Cole in the centre of the park, but leaving Gabby and Weimann as a front line. Incredible on the evidence of the last 40 matches in the league. Just incredible.
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Yeah but Delph is one of the worst players to ever play for Villa. *winky*
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I just cannot see Weimann as a number nine. Only gabby can play the lone front man role that's why he's playing
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I can't believe the notion of stick him up front he will score. He misses as many as Gabby, his control in possession suggests we will give the ball away as much if not more than now and he does not have the physical strength to lead the line.
As for dropping Delph and playing a 4-4-2 with Joe Cole in the centre of the park, but leaving Gabby and Weimann as a front line. Incredible on the evidence of the last 40 matches in the league. Just incredible.
Completely agree with this. I've always regarded Weimann's finishing to be as erratic as the other facets of his game. I also struggle to feel sorry for him 'being played out of position' as I'm fairly sure that this current run in our first XI will be the peak of his career.
I like his work-rate and I like the fact that he's come though the ranks with us, but he really isn't good enough if we want to be pushing into the top half of the table. When everyone's fit, I wouldn't even have him on the bench.
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Nor me. I would not have him in the side at the moment though.
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I can't believe the notion of stick him up front he will score. He misses as many as Gabby, his control in possession suggests we will give the ball away as much if not more than now and he does not have the physical strength to lead the line.
As for dropping Delph and playing a 4-4-2 with Joe Cole in the centre of the park, but leaving Gabby and Weimann as a front line. Incredible on the evidence of the last 40 matches in the league. Just incredible.
agree 100%
said as much in Weimann's good spell with us a couple of years ago and got pelters on here ;D
just think his technical skills are so poor, maybe he can be our Dirk Kuyt again but his attitude doesnt appear to have improved a whole lot on the evidence of the first two games
Joe Cole playing in the middle of a 442 :o Id have more confidence in a midfield duo of Kinsella and Pires
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Yeah some of the line ups you see on here and you start to rate lambert's tactical nous!
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Thought better of it
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Yeah some of the line ups you see on here and you start to rate lambert's tactical nous!
I'm hoping he was high on some incredible mind altering drug. There has to be a reason.
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I just cannot see Weimann as a number nine. Only gabby can play the lone front man role that's why he's playing
on the evidence of the last two games (or the six months that preceded it), Gabby doesnt look capable of playing any role in top flight football. To be honest he looks done at this level, throw Bent into that category also. Perhaps Nzogbia too, achilles problem is a tough one to come back for any player but Charlie wasnt exactly blessed with great pace nor a good work ethic to recover from serious injury.
Im expecting very little from those four this season for us.
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I think NZogbia has shown enough in the opening couple of games that he still carries a threat. Gabby I agree, he is shot and should be allowed to leave when his contract expires next summer, as will Bent.
3 young, vibrant, pacey forward options in for those 3 would be welcome!
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Thought he was really good yesterday. The finish for the goal was decent and he worked hard all afternoon. It was also good to see his frustration on the bench when we lost the last goal. You could tell that he really cared. I'm still a pretty big fan and think he brings other things to the team besides goals (and your joke go there!).
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Pretty obvious that Weiman is a striker and not an auxiliary midfielder.
So if he is played it should be as a striker.
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We keep playing with 3 bloody strikers and nobody that can supply them with anything.
They are finishers too, rather than the types that will create for themselves, which means playing three is a luxury we can ill-afford given the rest of the dross we serve up.
Given that we can't defend without our new first choice back-line all playing, it weakens us still further.
I like Weimann, but he's just no good in the position he keeps being asked to play in.
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His best form for us was as part of that front three with Gabby and Benteke the season before last. He is a player who can float about a bit, but I do agree that he is most effective up front. With CB out for three games now I would play him either along side Gabby or up front on his own if we go that way.
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He works his bollocks off. I think at times he's been run into the ground under Lambert and has needed a rest here and there, or to come off in games, but didn't get it.
I also think that he looks slimmer than he did last season. He looks fitter, so fair play to him because a few of his teammates don't look in peak condition.
For me, Andi has to play up front. He can finish when he gets it in the box. He's better off the ball than he is on it too. He'll find space in the box and he'll also chase center-halves on the ball all day. If we play him on the right, he inavariably has to come back into midfield to try and make something happen with the ball but he's not good enough technically to do that. It's about time we gave him a run through the middle because he will score goals.
If Lambert seems set on play 3 up top, I'd play Zogbia and Grealish/Bacuna either side of Weimann on saturday. I'd leave Gabby on the bench.
I'd rather see us play 2 up front though personally and I'd give Bent a go with Weimann. Andi covers all the ground Bent won't. I'd play a diamond in midfield with Zogbia on the tip floating.
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Andreas can play 90 minutes and the more opportunity to do so the more match fit he is. I see this guy has really embraced the club and area and feels passionately about the team and his playing time. His best position is up front and the steady development demonstrated by him indicates that playing as a front man allows him best opportunity to get goals. Weimann seems to often be deployed as a right or left striker even as a number 10 behind a striker I appreciate his efforts when playing. I personally would have Andi Weimann as the main front man week in week out and 90 minute player.
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A mate of mine saw Andreas and Clark at the Irish Centre and said they were just two regular people.
None of this "Do you know who I am?" bollocks.
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I like Weimann, and I feel sorry for him in a way. He's very rarely used in his best position. I reckon in a side that actually created chances he'd score a lot of goals.
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I like Weimann a lot. He's not going to score you 20 goals a season but he puts a shift in and I do think he'd score a few more given better service. It's not as if he misses sitters every week.
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I like Weimann, and I feel sorry for him in a way. He's very rarely used in his best position. I reckon in a side that actually created chances he'd score a lot of goals.
i agree although i think a new manager would sell him on and become a huge hit with Genk, or Excelsior in the Belgian league. maybe Red Bull Salzburg in Austria.
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I like Weimann a lot. He's not going to score you 20 goals a season but he puts a shift in and I do think he'd score a few more given better service. It's not as if he misses sitters every week.
I feel the expectation Lambert puts on him sometimes, to be a player who has to help building attacks, joining play, as opposed to being a player on the end of the attacks, doesn't help Weimann. He's just not the sort of player who'll ever be comfortable dropping deep to link up play or instigate attacks. He should be working the center-backs, keeping them on their toes and getting on the end of some service.
Again though, the service in itself is also a problem.
We've certainly got to play people in their best positions and we've also got to improve the amount of chances we create. Andi will hit double figures if played through the middle.
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229 minutes per goal this season when we've struggled to create chances backs up the thinking that he's a 10-15 a season striker if used properly. I think he gets a lot of unfair criticism because he is being asked to do a job he's not really suite for. Even then playing wide in a 3 would be ok if he wasn't expected to drop back so far and so often. His willingness to work hard and do all the dirty work is what has held him back and yet people actively question his attitude, I just don't get it.
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229 minutes per goal this season when we've struggled to create chances backs up the thinking that he's a 10-15 a season striker if used properly. I think he gets a lot of unfair criticism because he is being asked to do a job he's not really suite for. Even then playing wide in a 3 would be ok if he wasn't expected to drop back so far and so often. His willingness to work hard and do all the dirty work is what has held him back and yet people actively question his attitude, I just don't get it.
Play him up front or if we have to play him in a wider role, on the left as opposed to the right, as he'd be better cutting in. Likewise, don't burn him out. Since Lambert took over he's run Andi into the ground. Not just playing him in too many games when he looked exhuasted, or desperately short of form (he really needed resting midway through last season, he was struggling majorly), but also within those games, sometimes Andi will run out of steam on 70 minutes but Lambert keeps him on till the end.
I think Andi looks fitter this season, certainly slimmer so perhaps he'll last 90 minutes and game to game just that bit better. In a side struggling though, the very least you want is some desire and someone working their bollocks off. Andi does that. Gabby doesn't, Bent certainly doesn't, and Benteke sometimes looks a little dis-interested if it's not quite going right.
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Works hard but sadly, not good enough. We are where we are, because we have players of the quality of Andi Wiemann. Scores with the odd nice finish though and never seems to play down the middle, perhaps he might be a better player if he did. Certainly offering more than Agbonlahor at the moment.
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I like Andi, a lot. He's played out of position and expected to do a job that isn't in his natural skillset.
He's meant to finish chances, not create them. He's a poacher, not a winger. But he doesn't moan or complain, or sulk. He works hard, runs all day and still does well.
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He is probably not being played in his proper position, but my biggest gripe is the way he constantly whinges at the ref/lino, he is going to get himself sent off very soon.
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Works hard but sadly, not good enough. We are where we are, because we have players of the quality of Andi Wiemann. Scores with the odd nice finish though and never seems to play down the middle, perhaps he might be a better player if he did. Certainly offering more than Agbonlahor at the moment.
Agreed, a poor man's Dirk Kuyt. Got a nice contract out of his good spell two years back and afterwards his head disappeared up his expanding arse.
A lot of his whining at refs etc is playing to the Villa Park gallery imo.
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I think I would have been whining after those utterly disgraceful decisions against the practitioners of the Glory Game!
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I think I would have been whining after those utterly disgraceful decisions against the practitioners of the Glory Game!
Agreed. I see him as a passionate player, and committed to the course who only really complains if he feels it is justified. Thought he had another decent match Saturday as well.
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Weimann in my eyes is a goal sneak, he isn't big enough to lead the line but should be around the box because he can finish.
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I feel sorry for Andi. Comments like the above about playing to the gallery are utter garbage.
He works very hard and he is a victim of that endeavour, because it allows Lambert to shoehorn him into any old position. He needs to be in the 18 yard box because he can and will score goals. It's a gross failing of the manager that he fails to play him in his natural position and that is to the detriment of the team.
He should be up front and there should be crosses laid into him, he should have somebody in the midfield willing to get into the box and support him, he should have a strike partner willing to get close to him, but no. He is shunted outside and told to be an auxiliary full back and break from deep. What's he supposed to do when he receives the ball thirty yards inside his own half after a corner or a failed opposition attack?
When Benteke is back, Andi should be played centrally off him.
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When Benteke is back, Andi should be played centrally off him.
Absolutely. You only have to see how Zamora and Austin played together against us to see the potential of our pair playing together.
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The few seconds I have caught of Southampton showed Pelle laying the ball off to Shane Long in the box, who was very close to him and they scored.
We struggle to get more than one man in the box and we struggle to get support close to our forwards. It's basic things like that which leave me staggered at Lambert.
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The few seconds I have caught of Southampton showed Pelle laying the ball off to Shane Long in the box, who was very close to him and they scored.
We struggle to get more than one man in the box and we struggle to get support close to our forwards. It's basic things like that which leave me staggered at Lambert.
Absolutely, and of course QPR did us over with an example of that too.
It's not even as if Long plays right up top either. He plays on the right normally, so he's been instructed to time and make certain runs to get near Pelle who's good at holding the ball up.
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And when we do play the hoofball option it's crazy to see Benteke nodding the ball on to...."the other striker" who isn't anywhere to be seen!
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Weimann could neither trap a bag of cement nor pass wind never mind a football, but because he runs around a lot and beats his chest at the officials many Villa supporters seem to like him. He reminds me of Paul Wilkinson (Everton/Boro) but minus the goals, or WBA's Paul Williams (they bought the wrong Paul Williams if you remember, the white one instead of the black one who was actually quite good). You're as good as your weakest link and Weimann to my mind is our weakest link although it has to be said, there's hot competition.
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The few seconds I have caught of Southampton showed Pelle laying the ball off to Shane Long in the box, who was very close to him and they scored.
We struggle to get more than one man in the box and we struggle to get support close to our forwards. It's basic things like that which leave me staggered at Lambert.
It's almost like the formation he's played for the last two and a half years isn't working. Do you think somebody should tell him?
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The few seconds I have caught of Southampton showed Pelle laying the ball off to Shane Long in the box, who was very close to him and they scored.
We struggle to get more than one man in the box and we struggle to get support close to our forwards. It's basic things like that which leave me staggered at Lambert.
It's almost like the formation he's played for the last two and a half years isn't working. Do you think somebody should tell him?
Waste of time, he doesn't dwell on defeats.
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I feel sorry for Andi. Comments like the above about playing to the gallery are utter garbage.
He works very hard and he is a victim of that endeavour, because it allows Lambert to shoehorn him into any old position. He needs to be in the 18 yard box because he can and will score goals. It's a gross failing of the manager that he fails to play him in his natural position and that is to the detriment of the team.
He should be up front and there should be crosses laid into him, he should have somebody in the midfield willing to get into the box and support him, he should have a strike partner willing to get close to him, but no. He is shunted outside and told to be an auxiliary full back and break from deep. What's he supposed to do when he receives the ball thirty yards inside his own half after a corner or a failed opposition attack?
When Benteke is back, Andi should be played centrally off him.
Spot on, Ads.
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I feel sorry for a lot of the players. I don't think any of them are showing their potential because of the constant use of counter attack that never encourages these players to retain possession, press high and be creative. When you rarely have the ball how is it possible for any player to look good unless it pays off on the break? Is it any wonder why we barely have a shot on goal these days?
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Weimann is our modern day Ian Olney, there's a wealth of goodwill towards him despite consistently crap performances but there comes a time when enough's enough. To say he's out of his depth is an understatement, he should be taken out of the firing line.His powder puff finishing, gormless positional play and woeful passing can go on no longer. I've seen some risible strikers at Villa over the years (Penrice, Aspinall, M Allen) but this fella takes the biscuit. Gotta go.
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His touch simply isn't good enough to play down the centre.
His problem is he plays the game at 100mph, take one occasion in the first half today. We had about 4 on 3 in a rare counter attack, he had the ball centrally and hit a missile like pass that predictably went out of play so the move finished.
I actually think he's been a bit better this season than last where he was terrible in a lot of games but can anyone really say he's a better all round player than he was in 12/13?
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Play the players in their proper position and they might do a better job. Wiemann and Gabby would be better through the middle. Gabby on the shoulder and Wiemann arriving later.
The trouble is, Lambert insists on playing all three, Gabby, Wiemann and Benteke. Pick 2.
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Play the players in their proper position and they might do a better job. Wiemann and Gabby would be better through the middle. Gabby on the shoulder and Wiemann arriving later.
The trouble is, Lambert insists on playing all three, Gabby, Wiemann and Benteke. Pick 2.
You mean get them all to compete to make the team and if one is not doing it, substitute with the one on the bench.
Wow, maybe we should employ someone to make those sort of decisions.
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Play the players in their proper position and they might do a better job. Wiemann and Gabby would be better through the middle. Gabby on the shoulder and Wiemann arriving later.
The trouble is, Lambert insists on playing all three, Gabby, Wiemann and Benteke. Pick 2.
You mean get them all to compete to make the team and if one is not doing it, substitute with the one on the bench.
Wow, maybe we should employ someone to make those sort of decisions.
I give up with Gabby and Weimann to be honest. Gabby's given up the ghost and Weimann just isn't, and never will be, good enough. Both need replacing ASAP.
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Weimann did play in the middle until Delph got sent off. His awful touch meant that we sorely lacked a link with benteke
The reason he tends to play wide in a three isn't because Lambert is an idiot. It's because we lack too many better options and because we've not fancied our chances of playing only two in central midfield too often
I'd definitely drop him for the palace game. At least three from gabby, Cole, bacuna and grealish should start in my view
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this fella takes the biscuit.
It sounds hilarious. What does this expression mean exactly?
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this fella takes the biscuit.
It sounds hilarious. What does this expression mean exactly?
Something along the lines of "è il massimo", but in a bad way
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Always read it as not trying very hard but somehow managing to rise to the challenge and come out on top, in some way or another, by being a bit of a chancer.
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this fella takes the biscuit.
It sounds hilarious. What does this expression mean exactly?
Something along the lines of "è il massimo", but in a bad way
Thanks, I will use it to balance my poor English! ;)
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this fella takes the biscuit.
It sounds hilarious. What does this expression mean exactly?
you say that something or someone (really) takes the biscuit when it or they have done something that you find extremely annoying or surprising:
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this fella takes the biscuit.
It sounds hilarious. What does this expression mean exactly?
you say that something or someone (really) takes the biscuit when it or they have done something that you find extremely annoying or surprising:
Thanks mate, I really like this expression!
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Weimann unfortunately sums up the state of us in the last 4 years. He's played over 100 games for the club. A vast majority of which have been as a starting player. He's an incredibly limited player who doesn't score many and doesn't have the required technical attributes to make it at this level.
Credit should go to him for his work-rate and determination, something that the more naturally blessed Delfouneso just seemed to lack (and probably still does). I like Andi but he's just not good enough.
Playing him weakens our side. We've got to replace him ASAP. Benteke desperately needs quality around him.
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Weimann unfortunately sums up the state of us in the last 4 years. He's played over 100 games for the club. A vast majority of which have been as a starting player. He's an incredibly limited player who doesn't score many and doesn't have the required technical attributes to make it at this level.
Credit should go to him for his work-rate and determination, something that the more naturally blessed Delfouneso just seemed to lack (and probably still does). I like Andi but he's just not good enough.
Playing him weakens our side. We've got to replace him ASAP. Benteke desperately needs quality around him.
Can't improve on this post. Happy to keep him as a squad player for now but we need quality, goals and a good touch in these positions
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When it was him and Delfouneso up front in the reserves I think many people said that an ideal striker would be his application, work rate and attitude with Delfouneso's natural ability.
Tom's comment about him being the player that sums us up at the moment is probably very accurate. The quintessential Lambert Villa player. Tries hard, is nearly good enough but you get the feeling that anything that goes right is probably more by luck than design.
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Weimann is our modern day Ian Olney, there's a wealth of goodwill towards him despite consistently crap performances but there comes a time when enough's enough. To say he's out of his depth is an understatement, he should be taken out of the firing line.His powder puff finishing, gormless positional play and woeful passing can go on no longer. I've seen some risible strikers at Villa over the years (Penrice, Aspinall, M Allen) but this fella takes the biscuit. Gotta go.
Sadly I agree.
Doesn't have a turn of pace, not great at holding the ball up and not a particularly good finisher.
I accept he might be playing out of position, but when he does see the whites of the goalkeepers eyes he invariably makes a dogs dinner out of any chance that comes his way.
Good work ethic, plenty of endevour. But we need to start being brave. Neither Weimann or Gabby should be regular starters.
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When it was him and Delfouneso up front in the reserves I think many people said that an ideal striker would be his application, work rate and attitude with Delfouneso's natural ability.
Tom's comment about him being the player that sums us up at the moment is probably very accurate. The quintessential Lambert Villa player. Tries hard, is nearly good enough but you get the feeling that anything that goes right is probably more by luck than design.
Hard to disagree with this.
I wonder if we might get more out of Weimann long term by not playing him quite so much.
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I think Weimann has talent. He just doesn't have the application to capitalize on what he has and improve. Some of his goals have been very good indeed so we know he can do it. But he is one of those players that Lambert seems to fall back on all too often and doesn't give the required kick up the arse to. Insert any number of other Villa players here.
Lambert has installed self made excuses into the Villa DNA and that rather than really fire up his team and keep them motivated, instead we are an excuse waiting to happen. Instead of saying like it is which would be a welcome change for everyone to hear it is the same old bollocks rolled out after every game win, lose or draw. We've become soft and maybe Keane touched on it before leaving. Everyone is really comfortable down there, and the complacency is deep in the system now.
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He is a player of limited technical ability being asked to play in a position that he is not suited to.
It is that simple.
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players of limited technical ability don't score some of the goals that he has. It's not that simple at all.
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He's a striker. It's that simple.
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I seem to remember him curling a great goal in from the edge of the box against Stoke (might be wrong). I think he can finish but he's not played in the position he's best in and this is surely detrimental to his confidence, which probably then knocks the other attributes of his game.
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To improve the team, after N'Zogbia, Weimann is the next name in the list that we need to get an upgrade on. Closely followed by Gabby.
Effort & work rate can't be faulted, but he's simply not Premier League quality & I've seen nothing to suggest he ever will be.
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I am grateful to him becauese he scored a vital against Fulham some seasons ago, and was a promising forward when he made his first appearances in the first team. Then I do not know what happened. He failed to improve and now it is quite clear that he works hard but his technical ability and his passing are not adequate for a Premier League player, above all a striker.
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I think Weimann has talent. He just doesn't have the application to capitalize on what he has and improve. Some of his goals have been very good indeed so we know he can do it. But he is one of those players that Lambert seems to fall back on all too often and doesn't give the required kick up the arse to. Insert any number of other Villa players here.
Lambert has installed self made excuses into the Villa DNA and that rather than really fire up his team and keep them motivated, instead we are an excuse waiting to happen. Instead of saying like it is which would be a welcome change for everyone to hear it is the same old bollocks rolled out after every game win, lose or draw. We've become soft and maybe Keane touched on it before leaving. Everyone is really comfortable down there, and the complacency is deep in the system now.
If the main point here is that Weimann has the talent but not the application / work ethic then I couldn't disagree more
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One if the worst forwards I've seen.
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I think there is a half decent player in there, lack of decent coaching hasn't helped. Wonder if someone like Sheringham could teach him about positional play and finding space.
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It's his awful finishing that is crucial.
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To improve the team, after N'Zogbia, Weimann is the next name in the list that we need to get an upgrade on. Closely followed by Gabby.
Effort & work rate can't be faulted, but he's simply not Premier League quality & I've seen nothing to suggest he ever will be.
Agree with that. If we are ever going to move forward then proper replacements for Weimann and N'Zogbia are required, with Gabby being an impact sub at best.
Playing Weimann out of position out wide because he is fairly mobile and works hard is exactly the kind of thing that uninspiring British managers like Pulis and Bruce do (think Jon Walters as a prime example).
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I think Weimann has talent. He just doesn't have the application to capitalize on what he has and improve. Some of his goals have been very good indeed so we know he can do it. But he is one of those players that Lambert seems to fall back on all too often and doesn't give the required kick up the arse to. Insert any number of other Villa players here.
Lambert has installed self made excuses into the Villa DNA and that rather than really fire up his team and keep them motivated, instead we are an excuse waiting to happen. Instead of saying like it is which would be a welcome change for everyone to hear it is the same old bollocks rolled out after every game win, lose or draw. We've become soft and maybe Keane touched on it before leaving. Everyone is really comfortable down there, and the complacency is deep in the system now.
If the main point here is that Weimann has the talent but not the application / work ethic then I couldn't disagree more
The main point is that he can do it but doesn't do it enough. He runs around a lot. That doesn't make you a better player. He had a very good 12/13 season and has regressed since. That's down to application and learning your craft. He looked overweight last season and while he looks a lot fitter this season he hasn't progressed as he should have. His poor form is down to how he has been used but also his own inability to capitalize on his chances. That doesn't make him a bad player. It makes him one that has the talent and is not working hard enough to take advantage of it and trying to get better as defences start to understand his tendencies and plan for him. There are lots of players who had talent and didn't make the most of it for one reason or another. He's still young enough to address it.
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Reading this thread, I'm struggling to think of the hat-full of chances the guy has missed.
We play him out wide, we create next to nowt, and he doesn't score many goals.
I saw him take an extra touch in the box against Sunderland when he could have hit it first time.
But that was about it (in an hour and a half).
Swansea I saw him drop deep to collect the ball and play some quick one twos to get in the box and then his shot was a weak effort into the goalkeepers arms. I wasn't even annoyed at that, as he'd had to make the chance himself, he was the only player moving off the ball whilst the others looked on with their best subbutteo men impressions. Again that was the only miss of his I saw. One chance for him to score in 90 minutes.
In fact when we were scoring at the start of the season, weren't we picking up points with the fewest shots on target?
We aren't creating anything near enough for ourselves, and I think its unfair to pin it on him.
He's not creative and yet the chances we do have generally involve him, even if its him sabotaging them.
If anybody's thread should have been bumped after Sunderland then it should have been N'zogbia's.
What can flair player Charles N'zogbia say he's contributed/created? constantly cutting inside and having a shot...
He should have no hiding place, he's supposedly creative and is playing in his (allegedly) best position.
Can anybody think of any promising moves or attacks N'zogbia has fouled up? no. because he does jack all.
Benteke is looking very isolated at the moment.
Its a big ask to drop Weimann and N'zogbia and then ask Benteke to score all our goals.
Or expect Grealish and Bacuna to weigh in with the shortfall. He needs a strike partner.
Create more for Weimann and yes he'll miss more, but he'll score a few more too.
Play Weimann through the middle, create chances for him and Benteke, and both of them will look better.
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Andreas Weimann @andiweimann · Jan 27
Today at 11:33 am our son Luca Andreas Weimann was born !! I Couldn't be happier and prouder @Jenniferanne_xo #bestfeeling
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Andreas Weimann @andiweimann · Jan 27
Today at 11:33 am our son Luca Andreas Weimann was born !! I Couldn't be happier and prouder @Jenniferanne_xo #bestfeeling
Lambert will be rolling his eyes at that.
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Well done Andi.
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Awesome. Andi is gonna be tired the next few games then. I remember the newborn sleepless nights :)
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I remember them. They're awful. never again. NEVER!
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Quite often in sport performance levels go through the roof following the birth of a child, expect a goal or two from Andi at the weekend - unlucky Wenger!
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Congratulations Andi.
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It's his awful finishing that is crucial.
His finish on Sunday was world class
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It's about time he looked dangerous again. Now, just Gabby to get sorted.
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It's about time he looked dangerous again. Now, just Gabby to get sorted.
Actually playing up front actually helps, he's not good enough to play out wide, he developed a good understanding up front with benteke a few years ago, I think he can do it again. Just get the ball into him. He will miss chances but he looked more of a threat than Benteke on sunday
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Always like it. The guy is still only about 23 or 24 and is still learning the game. To me he works hard and when played in the right position is a goal threat. Working along side Benteke then I don't see too much of a issue.
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Next to/dropping off Benteke is where he needs to be.
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I have felt sorry for Weimann for a while now. He is a player who does his best work in the opposition's penalty area and not out wide or as a creative player. I actually think he has a good knack of finding space in the box and is pretty instictive with his finishing.
He needs the chance to get central and close to Benteke.
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Good luck Andi, mostly played out of position but always gave 100%
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Average at pretty much everything. Nothing very good at all about his game. Championship player.
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Weimann, showed his lack of ability by only being able to play in one style of striking position, up front off the big man. Appalling lack of adaptability.
A shit Dirk Kuyt.
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Weimann, showed his lack of ability by only being able to play in one style of striking position, up front off the big man. Appalling lack of adaptability.
A shit Dirk Kuyt.
Utter nonsense if that's serious. He wasn't great I grant you, but he scored some very important goals for us and always have 100% for the club. I wish him well for the future.
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Weimann, showed his lack of ability by only being able to play in one style of striking position, up front off the big man. Appalling lack of adaptability.
A shit Dirk Kuyt.
Wow. I'm not sure what to say about that.
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Good luck Andi, always gave 100%.
Hope you have a great career with Derby.
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Weimann, showed his lack of ability by only being able to play in one style of striking position, up front off the big man. Appalling lack of adaptability.
A shit Dirk Kuyt.
Wow. I'm not sure what to say about that.
best to just consider it melodramatic bollocks posted for effect and move on Clamps
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No I'm completely serious. Never a fan I'm afraid and despite his early promise when he broke through just wasn't up to it. He went missing that often I thought he was Lord Lucans twin. I'll agree he always tried and wish him well but he wasn't good enough in my book.
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No I'm completely serious. Never a fan I'm afraid and despite his early promise when he broke through just wasn't up to it. He went missing that often I thought he was Lord Lucans twin. I'll agree he always tried and wish him well but he wasn't good enough in my book.
If you'd written that the first time it would would have been a reasonable opinion.
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Thanks for the last minute goal against Fulham, and the winner against Man City.
And sorry for the fact that I genuinely believe we've fucked up your career. You were never going to make it out wide.
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Weimann, showed his lack of ability by only being able to play in one style of striking position, up front off the big man. Appalling lack of adaptability.
A shit Dirk Kuyt.
Wow. I'm not sure what to say about that.
best to just consider it melodramatic bollocks posted for effect and move on Clamps
Oh I know, but to some people, putting 'I didn't rate him but good luck' is not good enough. It's 'he's a shit Dirk Kuyt' and 'He's Lord Lucan's missing twin' just, well you know makes you wonder if they deserve a keyboard.
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No I'm completely serious. Never a fan I'm afraid and despite his early promise when he broke through just wasn't up to it. He went missing that often I thought he was Lord Lucans twin. I'll agree he always tried and wish him well but he wasn't good enough in my book.
If you'd written that the first time it would would have been a reasonable opinion.
And his lack of adaptability isn't a valid opinion TV? Ok the shit Dirk Kuyt comment is below the belt but I thought it was a good comparison, lots of effort but ultimately lacked the technical capability to influence the game.
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2.75m? Good business all round. Best of luck to him.
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Good luck, I had high hopes for him. I still think he has it in him.
The environment he has been in has done him and a few others no favours at all.
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Good signing for Derby. He was good when he was good. Always a grafter. Gabby next please.
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Always gave his best if at sometimes it was limited in apication. Hope he does well in the Championship.
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Great deal for Derby. My biggest question is, who do the club have lined up to replace him? We can hardly go into a season with just Tekkers, Gabby & Libor. Bit thin for when our inevitable injuries strike.
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All the beat, Andi. I am sure you will score a hatful at Derby. I would ask for a sell on fee as well.
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Had to go. No use for him or us to be kicking his heels on a subs bench. Derby fans will love him.
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I think he'll score shit loads at that level, but I'm not particularly sorry to see him go.
Good luck Andi.
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Wish he would've amounted to more.. think he'll do well in the Championship. Don't forget to cup your ears.
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When was the last time we got a decent amount for a surplus to requirements Academy graduate?
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I liked him. Hopefully the deal wont bite us in the arse.
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I'm almost reluctant to say Cahill, but just in terms of the fee for a relatively inexperienced Academy product it was OK.
The problem was most people could see the potential and then we spent (almost?) the same on Zat Knight.
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Sometimes gave the impression that he felt he was an important player for the club which obviously he was not. Have a feeling he may prove to be a good signing for Derby if they play him as a second centre forward to Darren Bent. It is the only position he can play well as far as I can see.
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He certainly tried. 24 goals in 126 appearances . He scored some pretty important goals for us but fluffed his lines a lot of the time.
Best of luck to him.
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I'm almost reluctant to say Cahill, but just in terms of the fee for a relatively inexperienced Academy product it was OK.
The problem was most people could see the potential and then we spent (almost?) the same on Zat Knight.
When I say decent amount I mean a couple of million as opposed to 50p or so. We had a good run in the Gardner(C)/Ridgwell/Moore (L) era but since then it's been pennies.
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Thanks for the last minute goal against Fulham, and the winner against Man City.
And sorry for the fact that I genuinely believe we've fucked up your career. You were never going to make it out wide.
That second sentence. I concur. The lad showed on occasions that he does have something (various goals mentioned here, and I'd like to throw in the Sunderland one), but we never seemed able to give him a run as a striker in a side that might give him more than one chance a game. Good luck Andi, I reckon you'll do just fine, and thanks for the only real-life slow-motion goal I think I've ever witnessed.
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No I'm completely serious. Never a fan I'm afraid and despite his early promise when he broke through just wasn't up to it. He went missing that often I thought he was Lord Lucans twin. I'll agree he always tried and wish him well but he wasn't good enough in my book.
If you'd written that the first time it would would have been a reasonable opinion.
And his lack of adaptability isn't a valid opinion TV? Ok the shit Dirk Kuyt comment is below the belt but I thought it was a good comparison, lots of effort but ultimately lacked the technical capability to influence the game.
yes that might be fair, but nobody is going to notice the more measured comments and opinions when you have the other stuff in there.
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No I'm completely serious. Never a fan I'm afraid and despite his early promise when he broke through just wasn't up to it. He went missing that often I thought he was Lord Lucans twin. I'll agree he always tried and wish him well but he wasn't good enough in my book.
If you'd written that the first time it would would have been a reasonable opinion.
And his lack of adaptability isn't a valid opinion TV? Ok the shit Dirk Kuyt comment is below the belt but I thought it was a good comparison, lots of effort but ultimately lacked the technical capability to influence the game.
yes that might be fair, but nobody is going to notice the more measured comments and opinions when you have the other stuff in there.
I didn't realise everyone's opinions had to be measured, surely a few choice epithets in his redirection are called for if nothing else for that fucking #woop tweet.
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He was decent when played where he should be playing.
Remember that goal against Man United where Benteke humiliated Smalling out wide, pulled the ball back and Weimann leathered it in from the edge of the area?
Or the one against Sunderland. Lowtons forty yard diagonal pass was great, yes, but Weimann controlled and shot brilliantly.
I like his Call of Duty celebrations too.
Wish him all the best, am sure he'll do very well for them.
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I agree with those who say he was wasted in the wrong position. I bet the same can apply to a number in our squad unfortunately. Shame to see him go.
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I think he'll do well and wish him all the best. He's a centre forward that Lambert ruined by playing wide in a formation that wasn;t set-up to attack. When he was upfront with benteke he was good. Scored what was, until Fabian's effort to take us to the cup final, my favourite Villa goal of the last five years - away at Anfield in the 3-1 win, with the Benteke back-heel.
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He was decent when played where he should be playing.
Remember that goal against Man United where Benteke humiliated Smalling out wide, pulled the ball back and Weimann leathered it in from the edge of the area?
Or the one against Sunderland. Lowtons forty yard diagonal pass was great, yes, but Weimann controlled and shot brilliantly.
Stoke at home, curled in from 25 yards out. The McLeish celebration at the end because we drew with Stoke.
That bustling run for Benteke's equaliser against QPR in that crucial game, where it looked like nobody had ever been more desperate to keep a ball in play, ever.
If he'd not been playing for us then we'd probably have been relegated by now. Time moves on and he's not quite right for our current team, but I reckon he'll get Derby promoted next season, and he and Bent will probably score at least 30 between them.
He certainly goes down as a success for our academy.
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I've always liked Weimann. He's a very limited player. His part as such a key player for the last 3 years is a testament to the level our club has dropped to. Poor touch and not skilled enough for the Premiership.
However Weimann for the last three years always gave his all on the pitch. He didn't leave the pitch without having bust a gut, whilst a lot of other players utterly took the fucking piss. So in that regard he leaves with my absolute best wishes.
Derby is a good move for him. He can test himself, hopefully in his best position, at a decent level and see if the goals come too. He's got himself a four year deal. He'll be on decent money. Good luck Andi. I hope it goes well for him. For our part, 2.75 mill is a good bit of business I think. Particularly given he's been poor the last two seasons.
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Always liked him and loved his weird Austrian/Brummie accent which made him sound like a Geordie...confirmed by my Geordie mate a few years ago who was wondering how they had missed out on such a good local lad!
Played the game at 100mph which meant he had little composure when it was needed and hit row Z more than hit the target.
Some great goals...the desperately needed winner v Fulham stands out, and absolutely loved his celebration v ManCi£y but v ManU and Sunderland were lovely. His goal v Bournemouth in the cup looks routine but he seemed to be the only player turned on to Gil's movement...very similar to the Benteke backheel v 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' which is the one he'll be most remembered for.
I loved his goal at Stoke last season...a bit ugly but it got us off to a brilliant start to the season...three incredibly valuable points by the end of the campaign.
Thanks Andi, and all the very best for the future at Derby.
ffs, let's not draw you in the cups!
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The ear cupping thing last season lost him my respect but I wish him well and will look out for their results next season. Good luck jug ears!!
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£2.75 seems a bit low to me given fees these days. As a PL scorer he should have been at least £4m imo.
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Blame Cameron.
Austerity.
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I was at that Fulham match and will always love Andi for that magic moment.
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I was at the Man City game and I will remember how stunned and happy I was walking up Trinity Road after the game until I die.
Thanks Andi.
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£2.75 seems a bit low to me given fees these days. As a PL scorer he should have been at least £4m imo.
After two bad seasons I'll take it to be honest. It seemed to be clear he was surplus too and if I recall, when he got his new deal a couple of years ago there were rumours he'd signed for 30-35k. Pinch of salt of course, but I doubt he was on peanuts given he was one of Lamberts first choices.
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He was decent when played where he should be playing.
Remember that goal against Man United where Benteke humiliated Smalling out wide, pulled the ball back and Weimann leathered it in from the edge of the area?
Or the one against Sunderland. Lowtons forty yard diagonal pass was great, yes, but Weimann controlled and shot brilliantly.
Stoke at home, curled in from 25 yards out. The McLeish celebration at the end because we drew with Stoke.
That bustling run for Benteke's equaliser against QPR in that crucial game, where it looked like nobody had ever been more desperate to keep a ball in play, ever.
If he'd not been playing for us then we'd probably have been relegated by now. Time moves on and he's not quite right for our current team, but I reckon he'll get Derby promoted next season, and he and Bent will probably score at least 30 between them.
He certainly goes down as a success for our academy.
Certainly does. Played in his correct position I think he's a talented player. I'd be curious to know how many goals vs appearances he had when playing as a centre forward. He'll be very good for Derby if they play him right and good luck to him.
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Derby must have the best centre forward pairing in the championship now and really should be getting promoted next year. I have family who are season ticket holders at Derby so have a bit of a soft spot for them and will enjoy seeing Bent and Weimann knocking in the goals. As above we have some happy memories of Andi, he's been good for us but it was time for him to move on and I think it's a good move for all parties.
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Best of luck to Andi. He always tried and had a nack for scoring some important goals. He wasn't a winger.
Feel free to score against Small Heath and Dirty Leeds home and away.
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When he scored that goal at Anfield from Benteke's back heel following Gabby's pass I thought we had the best front three in the league.
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Thanks for the winners against Fulham (under McLeish - 93rd minute off your chest!) and Man City 2 seasons ago
Best of luck son just don't drink any more vodka with the Scottish Messi!!!!
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Good luck Andi.
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Good luck to him but £2.75m for someone that is widely regarded as not good enough for our first team and/or the Premier League is a decent bit of business. If he's only bench warming for us then it looks like the best move for all parties. Thanks for the goals scored Andi and good luck for the future!
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Although he narked me with the ear cupping at home to Hull, I always liked him. Shame we rarely played him in his best position, stick him in the middle and he could score. Most of his goals were instinctive finishes. Cheers Andi and all the best.
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Some of the goals he scored were absolute belters and it's puzzling that someone with that quality produces it so infrequently. Probably why he's off to Derby I guess.
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If Derby play him in his right position, he'll do a great job for them. The two goals he scored against Hull last season showed what he can do when played as a central striker. A little bit sorry to see him go so good luck to him.
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cheers Andi for all your efforts down the Villa
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£2.75 seems a bit low to me given fees these days. As a PL scorer he should have been at least £4m imo.
He only has a year left I think, otherwise we might have got a bit more. I think the figure is fair. Hopefully him and Bent strike-up a good partnership.
I liked his work ethic, found him frustrating at times, felt sorry for him at often playing out-of-position, and will fondly remember some very smartly taken goals. Just a pity he couldn't be a bit more prolific and better when not playing on instinct. All the best, Andi.
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Always liked him, but should have scored more recently when he's played.
Good luck to him.
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My son likes to get his favourite Villa player on the back of his shirt. So far we've had...
Laursen (injured, didn't play again)
Carew (sold him)
Albrighton (sold him)
Weimann (made it through the season, sold him)
Grealish.......
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Good luck to him but £2.75m for someone that is widely regarded as not good enough for our first team and/or the Premier League is a decent bit of business. If he's only bench warming for us then it looks like the best move for all parties. Thanks for the goals scored Andi and good luck for the future!
I'm not so sure.
He's scored goals against most of the big sides in the top flight - in a team that didn't create a whole lot, in all honesty.
When you see some of the prices floating around for absolute crud, and the prices that Championship sides have paid for players who have never even been in the topflight, we should have been looking at £5-6 million. It's not as if Derby are one of the smaller Championship oufits either.
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When you see some of the prices floating around for absolute crud, and the prices that Championship sides have paid for players who have never even been in the topflight, we should have been looking at £5-6 million. It's not as if Derby are one of the smaller Championship oufits either.
I thought that, but somebody pointed out that with only 12 months left on his contract we're less likely to get his proper value.
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But the key was he wouldn't have been in our plans - probably one of the players told to find another club. Good luck to him. Perfect level for him to shine.
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Bye Andi :D
Whoop whoop #flamey
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But the key was he wouldn't have been in our plans - probably one of the players told to find another club. Good luck to him. Perfect level for him to shine.
agreed. Showed a lot of promise in Lambert's first season but has never looked like hitting those heights since. Dont see much promise in a Weimann/Bent partnership even in the second tier.
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Wish him well, all the best andi
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When you see some of the prices floating around for absolute crud, and the prices that Championship sides have paid for players who have never even been in the topflight, we should have been looking at £5-6 million. It's not as if Derby are one of the smaller Championship oufits either.
I thought that, but somebody pointed out that with only 12 months left on his contract we're less likely to get his proper value.
A sell on clause would also reduce the fee. I think he will do well at Derby and so hope we have included such a clause.
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I like him and hope he does well but have my doubts
He can't play up front by himself so needs a partner who's more of a nine. But his technique isn't great if he's the guy that drops off. And that's amplified if he's playing wide
Hopefully it's partly a confidence thing
But telling that a guy who's been first choice for us for most of the last three years and there's no suggestion that a premier league side wants him
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But telling that a guy who's been first choice for us for most of the last three years and there's no suggestion that a premier league side wants him
He was quoted as saying that Premier League clubs were in for him, but he didn't want to join a team threatened by relegation.
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If it were 1995 instead of 2015 he'd fit perfectly into the little man-big man 4-4-2 and score 12-15 league goals a season playing off a half-decent target man. Alas, forwards have to give more than just goals these days.
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But telling that a guy who's been first choice for us for most of the last three years and there's no suggestion that a premier league side wants him
He was quoted as saying that Premier League clubs were in for him, but he didn't want to join a team threatened by relegation.
has also got a young family, so probably didn't want to move either.
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But telling that a guy who's been first choice for us for most of the last three years and there's no suggestion that a premier league side wants him
He was quoted as saying that Premier League clubs were in for him, but he didn't want to join a team threatened by relegation.
I think I remember there was talk of him going ti inter or somewhere silly last summer?
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I like him and hope he does well but have my doubts
He can't play up front by himself so needs a partner who's more of a nine. But his technique isn't great if he's the guy that drops off. And that's amplified if he's playing wide
Hopefully it's partly a confidence thing
But telling that a guy who's been first choice for us for most of the last three years and there's no suggestion that a premier league side wants him
Don't see him playing down the middle at all there.
Derby's form collapsed when Chris Martin got injured, he's a very good forward at championship level. Bent can only play centrally so yeah I think Weimann will continue playing as wide forward but obviously opposition defences aren't quite as good down there nor is technique a huge thing so he should score double figures if he stays fit.
Anyone reckon we've put in a sell on clause just in case?
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Once he signed that new contract his form was gone, like what happens to many other players.
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Really liked Weimann and he didn't get too many opportunities in his best position, or in a team that created chances, but that was unlikely to change next year. Hope he does well at Derby.
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I just can't see him and Bent working without him being pushed out wide, which we know doesn't work. Good luck to the lad though. Didn't rate him but gives it all which I always respect. Same for Bowery and Heskey. I like a man who works hard for his dough even if they are shit and need to be fired.
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Has he thanked us on Twitter yet?
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Andreas Weimann @andiweimann Jun 18
Also want to thank everyone at @AVFCOfficial and fans for the last 8 years #avfc
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Good luck to him.
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Andreas Weimann @andiweimann Jun 18
Also want to thank everyone at @AVFCOfficial and fans for the last 8 years #avfc
Ta.
He's a good lad.
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Good luck Andi and thanks for the winner v mancity
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Always quite like him for his work rate and link up play. But he had a poor season and Sherwood doesn't fancy him so this is no surprise. Lets hope we don't leave ourselves too short up front.
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Work rate yes
I must have repeatedly blinked a lot over the last three years and missed the link up play though!!!
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Work rate yes
I must have repeatedly blinked a lot over the last three years and missed the link up play though!!!
He was sort of doing it a bit in 12/13. I remember earlier on that season he played in a 4-4-2 just off Bent and was actually looking reasonably promising.
He's just fallen away so badly from that season it was time to move him on.
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Never rated him to be honest, there was a brief period where I thought he may make more of his lack of ability through endeavour, but once that tailed off he was exposed for what he was, namely not good enough.
Possessor of one of the worst first touches I've seen, which is going some these days with the emphasis more on technique.
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Briefly he looked like he'd be a good enough finisher to compensate for those deficiencies. But he isn't. I've never seen a player sky so many presentable opportunities.
I never thought he lacked effort though. That was one of the odder criticisms of him.
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Briefly he looked like he'd be a good enough finisher to compensate for those deficiencies. But he isn't. I've never seen a player sky so many presentable opportunities.
Was saying last week that he missed nearly all the chances that came his way last season - and of course we made very few! Couldn't finish his dinner...
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No composure or technique, hence why a lot of his shots ended up being blazed wildly over the bar as he leant back.
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He didn't score enough goals but the one's he did score he tended to put away quite well.
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He wasn't really good enough for the top flight, but as you say Clampy, some of the goals he did score, were actually pretty good.
His goal at Anfield is one of the best team goals you'll see.
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His goal at Anfield is one of the best team goals you'll see.
Agreed, I thought he showed great promise as a finisher but just seemed to lose it; almost overnight.
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No composure or technique, hence why a lot of his shots ended up being blazed wildly over the bar as he leant back.
Agreed.
But he was always like this...couldn't a coach have done a bit of work with him?
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No composure or technique, hence why a lot of his shots ended up being blazed wildly over the bar as he leant back.
Agreed.
But he was always like this...couldn't a coach have done a bit of work with him?
If we'd had any decent ones when he broke through they could've. I always felt he was so busy rushing around that he struggled to bring himself down when he got chances and he ended up lashing them trying to bust the net. If he can calm down and be less manic he's a good finisher when his head is right, as has been shown in the very good 'strikers' goals he scored.
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I've rarely seen a player so evidently shot of confidence as Weimann last season. I'm pretty sure he'll regain it at Derby and score plenty for them but a move was the right thing for both parties. Good luck to him.
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Weimann has been ruined by a lack of coaching and being played out of position. I hope we have inserted a sell on clause because he will score a bucket load of goals for Derby once his confidence is back.
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I agree I think Andi has plenty of talent if played in the right position.
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Hmm. His basic ball control and passing are ropey and he's a nasty habit of looking for the moon whenever the ball is in front of him ten yards out
I really like him tho so hope he does well
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Hmm. His basic ball control and passing are ropey and he's a nasty habit of looking for the moon whenever the ball is in front of him ten yards out
I really like him tho so hope he does well
As said, I firmly believe the latter is a mental issue due to poor coaching/mentoring rather than a technical flaw, I also don't think his passing is as bad as you suggest (his pass completion is up around 80% over his career which is decent for a striker, like a few others from the last few years his bad ones are so poor that they stick in the mind). His first touch is a bit ropey at times but that's true of plenty of players who've had top flight careers. I genuinely think he's a much better player than Villa fans remember him as and he'll do well at Derby if he accepts that he needs to knuckle down, if he has lost the desire then he'll go the way of the Moores.
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That great picture when he stands in front of the Holte arms aloft celebrating his goal
I bet we have all imagined doing that when we were small
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Good player if played as a poaching CF. Our last couple of managers weren't the brightest and I fully expect this one to bite us on the arse.
I hope I'm wrong on this, but I suspect this is one of those, but he didn't fit into our system discussions in the future.
Good luck wee man.
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I'd rather have kept Weimann than Gabby. His movement was always good, which meant he dragged defenders out of position a fair bit (which Gabby rarely does), and whne played as a main striker always looked dangerous. However as others have said he was too often let down by his lack of composure and, ultimately, technique in front of goal. Too many wild swings at the ball when a bit of composure would have seen him score. I still think with a decent manage or coach supporting him he could have eradicated or controlled those faults and I think if he gets to play as main striker at Derby he will do well for them.
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That great picture when he stands in front of the Holte arms aloft celebrating his goal
I bet we have all imagined doing that when we were small
One of my favourite pics which was my desktop background for a long time