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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2010, 08:55:47 AM
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I know i may sound like i am getting carried away but if he played for United or Arsenal the wankers in the press would be clamouring already for him to be playing for England (remember Freddie Sears one goal for WH and they did with him)
Heart full of pride for him and the other players
5 across midfield and 4 of them English (Does Fabio need to look anywhere else but VP?)
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Personally I reckon the longer he goes unnoticed by Capello the better for Villa.
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I remember the national media queuing up to suck Anton Ferdinand's cock when he played for West Ham.
We all knew that in reality he was shit, and so it has been proved.
I'd rather Albrighton slipped under Capello's radar, otherwise we might have a player ruined by the greedy underperformers of the England squad.
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Indeed I was also thinking that if he had played in a Wenger team then he would have already been to the World Cup. Hopefully he won't get too much exposure and pressure although he seems to have a sensible temperament.
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Previously, our threats have come from Young and Gabby's pace. That was really it. Except for when Big John was 'on' as he's unplayable.
Now it comes from Young, Albrighton, Downing, Milner is freed up to do more, and now Petrov is getting in the box and scoring. If we can keep Milner or replace him very well, we should be an absolute nightmare to play against. Both Young and Albrighton will have two players on them leaving an awful lot of real estate for others to do serious damage.
My only concern with Albrighton (and this is based on the WHU match alone) is that he appears very one-footed. It probably won't be long until the opposition suss this out. Let's hope he can learn some tricks.
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I agree with Troy.
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Was very impressed with Downing Young and Albrighton and how they worked together.
Not sure how(if) Ireland will fit in where Milner did, although reading Bluemoon the City fans said that even when they were playing poor Ireland stood out a mile as his work rate was far superior to anyone else's.
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F*** England. Every time a player of ours goes on international duty they end up with an invitation to go elsewhere. Selfish, I know, but after three summers of losing our best players I'm in no mood to be kind.
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In A Young and to a certain extent Downing, we have two wide men who can whip a cross in. But in Albrighton we have a player who can take defenders on and beat them. And he appears to relish doing it. It gives us another dimension going forward. Long may it continue.
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I agree with Troy.
Plenty of players get by with just one foot. I understand the concern but sod it, he can probably use the other foot when he needs to.
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It's one of those things where we have to balance keeping our/his feet on the ground and not getting carried away with not being guilty of talking the player down or failing to recognise what we have.
I think the best way to deal with it is "Good start - now go and do it again!"
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He was excellent, the best full debut I have seen for years. The reason he stood out in the game is because he is unknown to other teams and the defender he was up against was useless. He took full advantage.
Once he gets known it wont be before long that defenders will need to double up on him. The will also have to keep doubling up on Ashley at the same time.
It's double trouble for defenders from now on.
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It's double trouble for defenders from now on.
The way Downing played, there may be three players they need to double up on soon.....
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Gordon Cowans, Steve Hodge, David Platt, Gareth Barry, James Milner.
Just a few names of Villa players that, once they made the England team, were being told they had to move on to be more ambitious. And so they did.
I stopped wanting to see Villa players in the England squad after the Platt episode. It's still the same now.
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In-Gur-Lund aren't exactly blessed with top-class wingers (Lennon, SWP and Walcott are all very average, Johnson looks about the best of the bunch) so expect Marc to get a go before the end of the season if he carries on at this rate. They're not exactly blessed with young centre-halfs either, so it's not unrealistic that Clark could get a call up too.
Like OzVilla says, i've been sick of it since Platt. The only way to stop it is to put ourselves up there above Citeh, Spurs and Liverpool, so players have no reason to leave.
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Gordon Cowans, Steve Hodge, David Platt, Gareth Barry, James Milner.
Just a few names of Villa players that, once they made the England team, were being told they had to move on to be more ambitious. And so they did.
I stopped wanting to see Villa players in the England squad after the Platt episode. It's still the same now.
Why is that? It makes no sense. Villa are a big club, what makes sitting on city's bench or playing in a poorly balanced, thrown together squad so appealing?
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Gordon Cowans, Steve Hodge, David Platt, Gareth Barry, James Milner.
Just a few names of Villa players that, once they made the England team, were being told they had to move on to be more ambitious. And so they did.
I stopped wanting to see Villa players in the England squad after the Platt episode. It's still the same now.
Why is that? It makes no sense. Villa are a big club, what makes sitting on city's bench or playing in a poorly balanced, thrown together squad so appealing?
Is that a serious question?
I could think of about 100,000 reasons every week why players might be tempted!
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Villa are a big club, what makes sitting on city's bench or playing in a poorly balanced, thrown together squad so appealing?
More Lambourghinis ,Ferraris, third homes in Barbados, being set up for life on one contract, does that help?
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Today its £££££££££££££££££, but what about before? Did Boro really pay better wages to Ehiogu, Southgate than we did?
And I guess it was the same with Platt, Cowans? I know Hodge left us at a time when we weren't going well but were Bari that really big in the late 1980s early 1990s that moving there made such an improvement to a player's pay packet and ambitioin?
Besides, and maybe its because I am so poor (!) when you're earning 50k a week, would an extra 20K really make such a difference? How fast can you actually spend that sort of money and I don't think they need to worry about having a nest egg for the future!
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In-Gur-Lund aren't exactly blessed with top-class wingers (Lennon, SWP and Walcott are all very average, Johnson looks about the best of the bunch) so expect Marc to get a go before the end of the season if he carries on at this rate. They're not exactly blessed with young centre-halfs either, so it's not unrealistic that Clark could get a call up too.
Like OzVilla says, i've been sick of it since Platt. The only way to stop it is to put ourselves up there above Citeh, Spurs and Liverpool, so players have no reason to leave.
Don't agree.
Lennon is quality as is Walcott.
As for 'Super Marc' - he was great on Saturday, now we need consistancy.
The only way to get that is to play regularly.
Be interesting to see if he does make the teamsheet on a more permanent basis now.
He looks the part for sure.
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Lennon is quality as is Walcott.
You sure about that?
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Personally I reckon the longer he goes unnoticed by Capello the better for Villa.
This.
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Other than fall over and fail to take the ball off a defender who was lying on the floor in front of his own goal I didn't see Walcott do alot vs Liverpool yesterday, not the sign of a 'quality' player.
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Lennon is quality as is Walcott.
You sure about that?
100%
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Walcott may develop into a quality striker, but he is not, for the moment at least, a quality winger.
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Fair enough, but let's just say that you're seeing something that I most certainly am not seeing.
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My only concern with Albrighton (and this is based on the WHU match alone) is that he appears very one-footed. It probably won't be long until the opposition suss this out. Let's hope he can learn some tricks.
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I thought the same at one point, but he did set up Milner's goal with his left
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Definitely a good prospect but he's shown no variety in his play yet. He's got a good turn of pace but like others have said looks incredibly one footed.
Lets give him 10 games before saying Capello should have a look etc, after Saturdays performance I'm sure Newcastle will be doing their research on him.
Enrique had a great season last year by all accounts, not sure who there right back will be, Simpson or Perch?
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No variety to his play? He's made one Premier League start and he didn't need to vary things up, because what he was doing was murdering them. That seems incredibly over critical.
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If he can play with both feet then we have a real prospect on our hands. Anyway, he didn't need to be two footed against his defender on Saturday. Let's judge his performances in greater depth when he's up against better defenders than West Ham's.
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No variety to his play? He's made one Premier League start and he didn't need to vary things up, because what he was doing was murdering them. That seems incredibly over critical.
I'm not criticising him, I'm just saying we shouldn't get carried away with him until we've seen him over a good chunk of the season.
He was an unknown quantity to West Ham on Saturday, after that performance I'm sure Newcastle will be paying him closer attention.
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I agree we need to keep the expectations down but a big part of what he did against west ham was very reminiscent of what Beckham was doing when he broke into the Man U team, namely making half a yard of space and whipping quality across the box. That's his pace and technique are also good enough for him to go past people adds an extra feather to his cap, but it's the quality crossing that will see him good. The good thing there is that it's something that's very difficult to defend against for 90minutes, so he should still create against the top sides as well, so there's definitely reason to be optimistic about him.
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The best thing with how we played yesterday is that Ashley Young being give a free role behind JC, meaning that if the opposition do double up on him, it often means one or even two players can get quite easily dragged out of position, therefore creating more space for Albrighton and Downing as it was often the full-backs trying to mark him, which is part of the reason why those two were so good yesterday.
If Albrighton continues to develop like he has since Moscow we have an unbelievable prospect on our hands, which is part of the reason I hope KMac gets the job as he will understand that with Albrighton and some of the other youngsters on the fringes of the first XI, over playing them could ruin their prospects at an early age, so it's about being careful, if albrighton plays about 20-30 of our total games depending on cup runs it will have been an ideal season for him.
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Indeed. You cannot stick two men on Young if he's using the entire width of the pitch to roam about on.
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The best thing with how we played yesterday is that Ashley Young being give a free role behind JC, meaning that if the opposition do double up on him, it often means one or even two players can get quite easily dragged out of position, therefore creating more space for Albrighton and Downing as it was often the full-backs trying to mark him, which is part of the reason why those two were so good yesterday.
It also helps Ashley himself as it's much harder to double up on him when he's playing that free role. They can hardly have 2 players following him everywhere he goes, can they?
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A big thing it highlights is that even playing from the left Young would be effective (and therefore a 442 would be effective) if he wasn't tied to the touchline. As soon as you move inside you give the full back a choice to stick or twist, by being rigid to wings, as we often were last year, whilst providing width, you're also providing an easy target for their defence.
In all honesty that would be my biggest criticism on MoN, he was steadfast in the belief that wingers should be out wide waiting for the ball.
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The best thing with how we played yesterday is that Ashley Young being give a free role behind JC, meaning that if the opposition do double up on him, it often means one or even two players can get quite easily dragged out of position, therefore creating more space for Albrighton and Downing as it was often the full-backs trying to mark him, which is part of the reason why those two were so good yesterday.
It also helps Ashley himself as it's much harder to double up on him when he's playing that free role. They can hardly have 2 players following him everywhere he goes, can they?
Imagine the same players but now playing in an exciting and very dangerous formation - who would have thought it a few months ago
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I wonder if he could ever play the free role that young's currently filling.
If he could, him and young could maybe keep swapping, which could piss all over any opposition man-marking.
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he has played up front for reserve and youth games, so there is no reason why he couldnt float behind a main striker...
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Imagine the same players but now playing in an exciting and very dangerous formation - who would have thought it a few months ago
*cough*
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In all honesty that would be my biggest criticism on MoN, he was steadfast in the belief that wingers should be out wide waiting for the ball.
We played what was almost universally agreed to be a better style of football on Saturday, yet that was still with two widemen. I think the difference was that they seemed more willing to take their man on, which was something previously only Ash would do.
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Luke Young linked up very well indeed with Marc and was a big factor in our success.
Neither of those two would have been playing if O'Wankstain was still in charge.
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A number of times in the Wet Spam match he cut in off the right wing and crossed right footed, so I don't believe defenders will be comfortable to just show him the line. With his pace alone they could just channel him to the corner flag but as we saw when he cuts inside he can leave defenders standing, was it Ilunga who swiped his legs just outside the box in the 2nd half? They will have to double mark him in case he does that. Although of course I would prefer it if he developed his left peg 'n' all.
The future's bright, the future's claret and blue.
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In all honesty that would be my biggest criticism on MoN, he was steadfast in the belief that wingers should be out wide waiting for the ball.
We played what was almost universally agreed to be a better style of football on Saturday, yet that was still with two widemen. I think the difference was that they seemed more willing to take their man on, which was something previously only Ash would do.
The Times report pointed out that both wingers looked to have been instructed to play far higher up the pitch reducing the counter attacking game but putting far more pressure on the opposition defence.
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The third goal, for example, a better defender would have clattered man and ball before he had time to control it. He had a fantastic game on Saturday, now lets see how he gets on against a team who know what they're doing.
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The third goal, for example, a better defender would have clattered man and ball before he had time to control it. He had a fantastic game on Saturday, now lets see how he gets on against a team who know what they're doing.
The reason Tomkins didn't go jumping in was because he'd have walked following a second yellow, which he could have got if Albrighton had gone down.
That said, better defenders wouldn't necessarily be able to stop him anyway. We've all seen how the likes of Vidic deal with pace.
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The third goal, for example, a better defender would have clattered man and ball before he had time to control it. He had a fantastic game on Saturday, now lets see how he gets on against a team who know what they're doing.
The reason Tomkins didn't go jumping in was because he'd have walked following a second yellow, which he could have got if Albrighton had gone down.
That said, better defenders wouldn't necessarily be able to stop him anyway. We've all seen how the likes of Vidic deal with pace.
And also bear in mind that Albrighton was into the box before Tomkins knew what was happening. Nine times out of ten, if a player is bought down after doing that, it's a penalty.
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The third goal, for example, a better defender would have clattered man and ball before he had time to control it. He had a fantastic game on Saturday, now lets see how he gets on against a team who know what they're doing.
Inclined to agree with Chris, we will be playing far, far better teams than West Ham, we'll also have to do it without a man who bossed the central midfield on Saturday.
I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Randy is starting too look even better with the Oneil saga, he saw Martin spunk 12 mill on Downing instead of giving Albrighton a chance last year. He tried to do the same this year with Mcgeady and I think Randy had simply had enough!
Albrighton was ready last year to play at least 20 games, Martin was holding the youth back by persisting with the likes of Heskey.
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Randy is starting too look even better with the Oneil saga, he saw Martin spunk 12 mill on Downing instead of giving Albrighton a chance last year. He tried to do the same this year with Mcgeady and I think Randy had simply had enough!
Albrighton was ready last year to play at least 20 games, Martin was holding the youth back by persisting with the likes of Heskey.
I've been reliably informed that he wanted to sign Keane and McGeady for a combined total of £18m, with massive wages thrown in for both.
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Randy is starting too look even better with the Oneil saga, he saw Martin spunk 12 mill on Downing instead of giving Albrighton a chance last year. He tried to do the same this year with Mcgeady and I think Randy had simply had enough!
Albrighton was ready last year to play at least 20 games, Martin was holding the youth back by persisting with the likes of Heskey.
Hmm...bit revisionist that. Albrighton last year, aside from pre-season and then in the cup against Brighton, didn't look remotely like pulling up any trees in the PL. He came on against Wolves and offered an injection of pace, but I can't agree that he was ready for 20+ PL games before or after his injury. In fact, I don't know if he's ready for them this season either, much as I want him to be the missing piece of the jigsaw. So I'd suggest we all calm down a bit.
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I'm not saying 20 starts but 20 appearances,
But that's my point exactly, Martin never gave him a chance to see if he was ready!
Common sense really, Downing won't be fit till Christmas, wait till jan to buy him meanwhile giving a quality winger from tge youth team a chance.
Remember guys he is nearly 21 so he is not an Imature teenager!
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Hmm...bit revisionist that. Albrighton last year, aside from pre-season and then in the cup against Brighton, didn't look remotely like pulling up any trees in the PL. He came on against Wolves and offered an injection of pace, but I can't agree that he was ready for 20+ PL games before or after his injury. In fact, I don't know if he's ready for them this season either, much as I want him to be the missing piece of the jigsaw. So I'd suggest we all calm down a bit.
Last season Albrighton was thrown on for the last 15 minutes of games where we were chasing a goal - Wigan, Liverpool and Wolves at home. A bit daunting for a youngster, expecting him to be a match-winner. He should have got more minutes in games we were strolling (Hull home and away, Bolton and Burnley at home etc.) aswell.
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Its only one game. At the moment this full home debut could be filed under Cole, C. So let's just see how it goes.
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Are you on drugs - what the hell is that?
As for Marc - agreed lets not put too much expectation on his shoulders - but also lets enjoy a villa fan doing what we would all love to do
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Are you on drugs - what the hell is that?
Spam.
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he was superb when he was eventually brought on by the clueless stuart pearce for the u21 win...
scored a cracking goal and put in some delicious crosses for welbeck to screw up...
why he starts and delfouneso is on the bench, and why albrighton wasnt on instead of that cleverley lad, is beyond me...
it seems that who you play for, rather than your ability, has creeped down to the u21s too these days...
as for the media wanking over wilshire, *sigh*...
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he was superb when he was eventually brought on by the clueless stuart pearce for the u21 win...
scored a cracking goal and put in some delicious crosses for welbeck to screw up...
why he starts and delfouneso is on the bench, and why albrighton wasnt on instead of that cleverley lad, is beyond me...
it seems that who you play for, rather than your ability, has creeped down to the u21s too these days...
as for the media wanking over wilshire, *sigh*...
In fairness Marc has only just come into the U21 squad, so others already have the shirt infront of him.
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Marc Albrighton has returned 'home' to join the #avfc academy as a coach. Former Villa and #lcfc winger will be coaching part-time to gain experience, following his retirement in August. Albrighton's association with Villa stretches back to the age of 8
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welcome home
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Did he not do much between 2010 and 2014? Or was there another thread lost in the midst of time somewhere on the site.
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Pretty decent as a radio pundit as well. Hope he does well, welcome back.
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Love Marc .. treated like shit by Lambert , went off and won the league. Welcome home my son .
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Welcome back to Villa, Marc!
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A 14 year thread bump with some good news
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Any chance he can coach Bailey and Jaden one-to-one? Or maybe he come out of retirement, give him a few games on the wing and if you squint you'll be confused which Villa starlet of yesteryear is in full flow - Marc, Morley or Shaw.
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Forget one to one coaching, a basic 'how to cross a ball' is far more urgent.
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He’s just been talking to Dion and the others at half time at Tamworth.
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I've only just realised that Marc lived in Tamworth.
The son of my next door neighbours in Dosthill, (when I lived there), was having trials with all the big clubs in the area and they/he were staunch Villa supporters - it couldn't be him, could it? (Unfortunately I can't remember their name).
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I've only just realised that Marc lived in Tamworth.
The son of my next door neighbours in Dosthill, (when I lived there), was having trials with all the big clubs in the area and they/he were staunch Villa supporters - it couldn't be him, could it? (Unfortunately I can't remember their name).
Albrighton, perhaps?
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Albrighton, perhaps?
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I can't remember names of people I met last week - no hope for decades ago.
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Welcome home Marc.
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I've only just realised that Marc lived in Tamworth.
The son of my next door neighbours in Dosthill, (when I lived there), was having trials with all the big clubs in the area and they/he were staunch Villa supporters - it couldn't be him, could it? (Unfortunately I can't remember their name).
All the big club, surely?
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Good appointment. How aspirational as a young starter at the club...? "I won the f****** premier league starting from here". Seems a thouroughly decent chap also.
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Villa fan even when he played for Leicester
Saw him in the away end at Arsenal and on the train when we were at Wembley