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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2010, 10:55:02 AM
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If we appoint Super Kevin MacDonald as Head Coach and leave him to coach, pick and manage the team while getting someone in to do scouting, buying and selling.
Who would you pick for a director of football similar method but less business stuff to Mike Holmgren.
Brian Little ?
Ron Atkinson ?
Graham Taylor ?
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BFR would do for me the style of play from yesterday reminds me of BFRs team
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The horny fella with the penchant for secretaries.
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Sven/SuperMac seems a runner, doesn't it?
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If we can't get Jol how about Camolli? Signed/spotted some very good players for Arsenal/Spurs
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Giving caretaker managers the job permanently almost never works.
Having a Director of Football and Head Coach has never worked in English football.
So on that basis I think making our caretaker Head Coach and having him work with a Director of Football would be an absolutely insane thing to do.
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On this occasion I think Hilts is correct ;)
Two egos clashing is just not good, we want - need - stability again.
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If we went down the Director of Football path, Sven as Director of Football, using his contacts book and deep football knowledge to help out Kevin Mac who has inside knowledge of the individual players, particularly the youngsters would be an attractive option. It makes perfect sense and plays to everybodys strengths.
Does it ever work though in reality?
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How about a more low profile "General Manager" type who works with the Club owner to put the squad together (with input from the "Head Coach") in the NFL/MLB/NBA style ?
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If we went down the Director of Football path, Sven as Director of Football, using his contacts book and deep football knowledge to help out Kevin Mac who has inside knowledge of the individual players, particularly the youngsters would be an attractive option. It makes perfect sense and plays to everybodys strengths.
Does it ever work though in reality?
Not in English football, no.
You're right that in theory the structure makes a lot of sense but, in practice, it has never worked in this country. British football is far too conservative and is largely driven by personalities rather than sensible ideas.
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I would go with bfr he would bring his experience to looking for quality players.
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I would go with bfr he would bring his experience to looking for quality players.
But how long is it since BFR has been in the game?
If we were to go down this route, and I agree with Hilts that I'm not sure it would work, then Sven would be the ideal candidate.
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It's been tried many times and it's never worked. Bring in a manager.
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How can you say it's never worked, Dave?
I thought the results for Newcastle were fantastic!!! :)
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I suggested a director of football for Martin but in truth I don't think it works really.
Get a manager in, If we can play like that in our next 4 games I'd give it to Kevin if he wants it
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If we keep playing with this flair gusto and positivity
It's Big kev's job to lose
randy must surely appreciate how much happier that squad looks/feels-the young players now all feel they can get a chance in the team(see barry bannan)
all for no extra cost(at a reduced cost in fact)
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A good win on Thursday and that £3m a year saving will be looking very attractive...
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Me and my dad were talking about this earlier and I was going to start a similar thread. I think this it what will happen; because its how team in America are run and that's what Lerner knows.
Personally I think Kev Mac is a great coach he's proved it with the reserves. I think as he said in the interview he does what he does best "coaching" were as if you had someone like SGT or Sven there to scout and recurit players and give them to Kev Mac to coach and use tatics etc I think it would work.
However as we have said it hasn't worked in England before but I think that is because you don't have the right coach in there with Kev Mac he has no EGO were as most of the coach roles do.
So
Director of Football - SGT
Head Coach - Kev Mac.
Works for me.
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How about a more low profile "General Manager" type who works with the Club owner to put the squad together (with input from the "Head Coach") in the NFL/MLB/NBA style ?
America Is Not The World
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Let's not complicate matters. We need to have a football manager. I don't have a problem with someone else handling the transfers once the manager has identidied the targets, but the last thing we need is a back seat driver situation.
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I think that KMc needs time to decide if he wants the role full-time, it is totally different doing the job day in day out, it would be a big change to his life & he would have to go home with the stress of the job each day, would he want that ? Give it time, it is one game we have won & He might decide that he is happy doing his reserve youth team job, remember he has a family & it would impact on them, he has a lot to consider.
We do not need a DOF just the right Manager & coaching staff.
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Whilst appreciating the director of football role has never worked yet in english football, is this not because the all the managers have already experienced being in total charge of a club and have difficulty fitting in to this role.
There could be many advantages to this system in as much as the club would set up the scouting network etc and it would not simply disappear when the manager walks or is removed in a couple of years.
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Director of football?
Come on it's bollocks.
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I wonder if we still have scouting informaion from Ian Storey Moore and co. So Kevin can look at it for information about the central forward of Florentina for example.
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If we appoint Super Kevin MacDonald as Head Coach and leave him to coach, pick and manage the team while getting someone in to do scouting, buying and selling.
Who would you pick for a director of football similar method but less business stuff to Mike Holmgren.
Brian Little ?
Ron Atkinson ?
Graham Taylor ?
Why not try Jimmy Hogan or George Ramsay?
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Whilst he wasn't called director of football wasn't Peter Taylor effectively a director of football in as much as he identified who to buy. That partnership was pretty effective.
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I suppose it depends how well the MacDonald, Cowans, MaccAndrew trio are connected and whether between them they can rise above coaching and see the bigger picture ...
all without losing focus on their current day-jobs. Difficult in the pressure-situation they're in.
If MacD is a real candidate then maybe what he needs is a bloody good Chief Scout with network; between the trio and Chief Scout they'll have the footballing nous such that a DoF is unnecessary.
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How about a more low profile "General Manager" type who works with the Club owner to put the squad together (with input from the "Head Coach") in the NFL/MLB/NBA style ?
America Is Not The World
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I suppose it depends how well the MacDonald, Cowans, MaccAndrew trio are connected and whether between them they can rise above coaching and see the bigger picture ...
all without losing focus on their current day-jobs. Difficult in the pressure-situation they're in.
If MacD is a real candidate then maybe what he needs is a bloody good Chief Scout with network; between the trio and Chief Scout they'll have the footballing nous such that a DoF is unnecessary.
I agree and have always felt that football clubs almost subcontract out the scouting as part of the managers role which then disappears when he leaves. It would surely be better to develop a top class scouting network which is run by the club and developed over time which isnt dismantled every couple of years.
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Give it to Mac or get someone else.
A manager has to manage, not worry about what someone upstairs is doing.
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How about a more low profile "General Manager" type who works with the Club owner to put the squad together (with input from the "Head Coach") in the NFL/MLB/NBA style ?
America Is Not The World
The point of my suggestion was that in the past "Directors of Football" have tended to be high-profile older managers. The actual manager would likely always see them as a threat to their job.
What I'm suggesting is employing someone with a different skillset to the person coaching the team. A person with the skills required to build a team might not necessarily have the skills to get the best out of them on the pitch (and vice versa).
In such circumstances, the threat to each person's job from their colleague would be reduced
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If KM is appointed I'd assume we'll need to bolster the coaching ranks with people of his choosing but not a DoF - I think in the English game at least that's the role which is partly adopted by the CEO.
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How about a more low profile "General Manager" type who works with the Club owner to put the squad together (with input from the "Head Coach") in the NFL/MLB/NBA style ?
America Is Not The World
The point of my suggestion was that in the past "Directors of Football" have tended to be high-profile older managers. The actual manager would likely always see them as a threat to their job.
What I'm suggesting is employing someone with a different skillset to the person coaching the team. A person with the skills required to build a team might not necessarily have the skills to get the best out of them on the pitch (and vice versa).
In such circumstances, the threat to each person's job from their colleague would be reduced
How about David Cameron?? Oh actually he's already ruled himself out. Thank Fuck!
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How about instead of a DOF, we appoint more of a 'figure head' manager who does the press work, is the 'name' to attract players and Kev Mac is the man behind the scenes taking the training and doing most of the day to day work? I'm thinking Klinsman, who as I understand it workled in a similar way when Germany manager and his asssitant then took over.