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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: citizenDJ on August 09, 2010, 04:29:34 PM
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Well, didn;t expect to be thinking about this anytime soon, but......
who would you like to see replace Martin O'Neill as manager?
Sven? Klinsmann? Curbishley? Er.......?
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Well I want Slaven Bilic, but bloody hell this is a bit sudden.
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Ottmar Hitzfeld would be my 1st choice. We have to go foreign and tap into that market.
Sven would undoubtadly be the favourite.
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The only people I can name are ones I don't want within a hundred miles of B6.
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Sven would be a complete disaster. No-one should be in any doubt about that.
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Should we promote from within? MacDonald? Sid?
Frankly the prospect of Curbs, Bilic, Sven to name a few, don't get my pulse racing.
I'd love Hiddink, but that's a dream.
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Sven can fuck off.
I can't really think of anyone at the moment. Bilic would be alright, I suppose, although he's still a bit unproven.
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Tricky, isn't it? I honestly can't really think of anyone who I'd like to see coming in.
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Who currently employed by the club is qualified to select a new manager?
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The only manager I can think of is David Moyes.
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Could Martin Jol still be prised away from Ajax?
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Moyes would be perfect, but he won't come.
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Could Martin Jol still be prised away from Ajax?
Ah, yes! Forgot about him! I think he'd be my first choice as it stands.
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Jol maybe but I belive there is quite a big compo package in order for him to leave hence why Fulham pulled out of appointing him.
Moyes ,I doubt he would leave Everton
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Martin Jol. No chance of us luring Moyes.
If we end up with Sven then i'll turn my back on football for good.
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Jol maybe but I belive there is quite a big compo package in order for him to leave hence why Fulham pulled out of appointing him.
Moyes ,I doubt he would leave Everton
Well, I doubted O'Neill would leave Villa at the start of the day, but there it is. And when I see Alan Curbishley at the top of the odds to succeed him, it makes me want to weep.
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This might sound like a silly suggestion but Billy Davies seems to do well everywere he goes. Could he cut it at a bigger club?
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someone from the States??
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someone from the States??
Don King?
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This might sound like a silly suggestion but Billy Davies seems to do well everywere he goes. Could he cut it at a bigger club?
Erm, no thanks.
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someone from the States??
General Krulak?
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Jol or Bilic please. Sven's track record is clear: he needs a budget to succeed, and we clearly don't have that.
I'd go for Bilic. Out of contract so no fee, young with a point to prove, and very much in the tactical vanguard, which would make a nice change (he recently talked about formations saying "there are no lines anymore" which, though a bit mad, sounds like fun).
Also, it may be totally left-field but - Leonardo?
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someone from the States??
Bill (?) Bradley might be in RL's thinking.
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someone from the States??
Bob Bradley?
But I think Martin Jol would be the best option.
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martin Jol I like....
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What about Frank Rijkaard? Can't argue with what he did at Barcelona.
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my two choices would be
Roberto Martinez or Ian Holloway
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Felix Magath
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I want someone who
will promote youth and don't be afraid to play them
will use players in right position and doesn't have favourites (benefit like of Luke Young)
bring in quality players from oversea like Arsene Wenger
keep a strong english core in the team
modern tactics
entertaining and passing football.
Who is the man ? I don't know but I would love Joseph Guardiola of Barcelona.
We need to find next generation Arsene Wenger to take over Aston Villa but who ?
Joachim Low would be my choice if we can't get Martin Jol.
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I would like David Moyes, he has done well at Everton with limited funds, and maybe under Randy, the next manager might not have much cash to spend.
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Could Martin Jol still be prised away from Ajax?
I think this is the real reason he didnt go to little Fulham ?
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Southgates getting touted for it as well now.......i aint felt this gutted since Little resigned.
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I'd go for Hiddink or Rijkard. It has to be someone proven.
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my two choices would be
Roberto Martinez or Ian Holloway
I like Martinez, but he may need a couple of years at Wigan before he steps into this shitstorm of a club.
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"Martin (Jol) give us a wave
Martin (Jol), Martin (Jol) give us a wave"
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my two choices would be
Roberto Martinez or Ian Holloway
I like Martinez, but he may need a couple of years at Wigan before he steps into this shitstorm of a club.
he plays attractive passing football, i think he could do a great job at a bigger club, with better players.
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Billy Davies or Ian Holloway, I despair!
Why did not do this 2 weeks ago and get Hughes
Martinez or Jol for me
I fear its gonna be Fat Sam
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Martinez did a fantastic job at Swansea when he took the helm there and given a chance at a big club i think he'd do a top job.....brought some fantastic players to Swansea on a budget with his scouting network and links with football in Spain and Europe.
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Not that most of us are any the wiser, but we have to assume that if money's tight at the club because of economic downturns/divorces/astronomical wage packets, we also have to assume that it would be tight when it comes to touting for a replacement. So that counts managers who have a while to go on their contracts as unlikely. Moyes, Hiddink, Hitzfeld and Jol would cost, wouldn't they? So that leaves us with Bilic, Curbishley, Kilnsmann...Souness, Shearer (gulp)!
Maybe someone who knows a little more about our club's financial means could help stop me hyperventilating?
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Please not Southgate.
Don't care who so long as we can watch some good football and win something...
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Or Phil Brown or Ian Dowie could get the job or Southgate , god I hope not
Lol
What about Warnock , he could do a rednapp???
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Zola ?
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Well, didn;t expect to be thinking about this anytime soon, but......
who would you like to see replace Martin O'Neill as manager?
Sven? Klinsmann? Curbishley? Er.......?
None of the above.
Jol or Moyes would be my choice.
I'm also in a small minority on here when I say I'd have been happy with Mark Hughes too.
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my two choices would be
Roberto Martinez or Ian Holloway
I like Martinez, but he may need a couple of years at Wigan before he steps into this shitstorm of a club.
he plays attractive passing football, i think he could do a great job at a bigger club, with better players.
as long as we got the Wigan scouting team as well...
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Who currently employed by the club is qualified to select a new manager?
That's been my concern since SS left. There is no-one.
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I want someone who
will promote youth and don't be afraid to play them
will use players in right position and doesn't have favourites (benefit like of Luke Young)
bring in quality players from oversea like Arsene Wenger
keep a strong english core in the team
modern tactics
entertaining and passing football.
Who is the man ? I don't know but I would love Joseph Guardiola of Barcelona.
We need to find next generation Arsene Wenger to take over Aston Villa but who ?
Joachim Loeb would be my choice if we can't get Martin Jol.
Klinsmann is pretty much all of the above. The way that Germany play now is the style that was instigated and set up by him. I read an excellent article by him just after the world cup and remember thinking at the time that this is the kind of philosophy we need at the club.
Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8789682.stm)
Would however prefer someone with Premiership experience.
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Billy Davies or Ian Holloway, I despair!
Why did not do this 2 weeks ago and get Hughes
Martinez or Jol for me
I fear its gonna be Fat Sam
i think Fat Sam would be my tipping point
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Apparant on the odds checker that Bradley and Jol's are both tumbling sharpish.
For me,like our next signings,it's got to be someone with youth,the burning passion to remake us in his own image and a strong tactical presence.As fthe game is evolving rapidly at present,I'd go for Bilic
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it won't be Curbishley. The board will be much more ambitious than that. I think the only manager in the UK that would want the job and is qualfied is David Moyes. Other than that I think they'll look to the continent. Either way we will be seeing a bit shift in our transfer policy. I would love to see Moyes as for me he ticks every box:
Team plays attractive football
Develops kids
Can work within a tight budget
Finds gems in a variety of markets
Proven Premiership record
His players, and supporters love him
He's not going to get any financial support at Everton, and I don't think he'll ever get the Man U job.
If not Moyes, which I grant you will be difficult to get, then Jol
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Moyes no chance, I would love it to be him but is god at Everton
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
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Ian Taylor or Sid Cowens
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Toronto, out of your qualities there it's the "proven Premiership record" which will be hardest to find. Other than Jol, the gettable managers with experience of our league are rubbish. I think that Bilic has to be a serious candidate.
Hilts, Jol - lower end? I could just about imagine middle-range, but lower end? Who's the upper end? If MON's gone because of finances I don't think we're about to buy out Mourinho's contract.
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I want someone who
will promote youth and don't be afraid to play them
will use players in right position and doesn't have favourites (benefit like of Luke Young)
bring in quality players from oversea like Arsene Wenger
keep a strong english core in the team
modern tactics
entertaining and passing football.
Who is the man ? I don't know but I would love Joseph Guardiola of Barcelona.
We need to find next generation Arsene Wenger to take over Aston Villa but who ?
Joachim Loeb would be my choice if we can't get Martin Jol.
Klinsmann is pretty much all of the above. The way that Germany play now is the style that was instigated and set up by him. I read an excellent article by him just after the world cup and remember thinking at the time that this is the kind of philosophy we need at the club.
Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8789682.stm)
Would however prefer someone with Premiership experience.
The real brains behind Germany at the World cup four years ago was Joachim Low. The German FA knew this and that's why they promoted him. Klinsmann was more the public figurehead. He was a disaster at Bayern when he had to go it alone. Tactically, he was all over the place.
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Nice of MON to wait until just before the season starts.
I would make Moyes an offer he can not refuse. Failing that Jol isn't a bad shout. Whoever it is I hope they are given money to spend but I just don't think the money is there anymore.
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
And how many 'genuinely top class' managers are currently looking for work? Of those how many are looking for work at a club about to sell their best player and where all the signs point to a club looking to cut back not push on?
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Bob Bradley is an interesting one. No idea what his club career has been like but he's very highly thought of in football circles. I thought he'd end up at Fulham to be honest.
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Nice of MON to wait until just before the season starts.
I would make Moyes an offer he can not refuse. Failing that Jol isn't a bad shout. Whoever it is I hope they are given money to spend but I just don't think the money is there anymore.
We cannot make Moyes an offer unless Everton allow us to. They'd be unwilling at the best of times but 5 days before the start of the season there is not a chance they'd agree.
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Toronto, out of your qualities there it's the "proven Premiership record" which will be hardest to find. Other than Jol, the gettable managers with experience of our league are rubbish. I think that Bilic has to be a serious candidate.
Hilts, Jol - lower end? I could just about imagine middle-range, but lower end? Who's the upper end? If MON's gone because of finances I don't think we're about to buy out Mourinho's contract.
I agree about proven PL record bit which is why Moyes makes most sense if give free reign on appointing a successor. I think he needs a change in scenery for his own career to push on.
I also don't agree that Jol is lower end at all. He was doing a fine job at Spurs before being sacked.
As for some of the other names, the likes of Curbishley are going to get thrown out with every appointment becaus they are unemployed. He's a no-name in the game now, and he won't even get close to this job. When he resurfaces it will be at a lower end PL club or Championship team. That's his level.
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Martin Jol's coming and he's bringing Luis Suarez with him!
Untrue of course, but if it stops a couple of Villa fans jumping off bridges then I'm glad to help.
God, I'm depressed.
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I have no idea who we're going to get, i've a horrible feeling it'll be Curbishley/Davies/Di Matteo but i'd rather get Hiddink/Loew/Jol/Hitzfeld/Klinsmann.
Gabriel Marcotti's been suggesting O'Driscoll all day, but again, I'm not convinced.
All I know is, I want us to think it through, carefully.
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Ian Taylor or Sid Cowens
With the greatest of respect, don't talk daft. I hope the days of basing decisions on someone being a "Villa man" are long gone. We have to look forward, not back.
Besides, after Taylor's involvement in the Barry saga he can go fuck himself.
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Bob Bradley is an interesting one. No idea what his club career has been like but he's very highly thought of in football circles. I thought he'd end up at Fulham to be honest.
A manager who has never dipped his toe in a transfer market before?
Nothing like the sort of manager we should be after.
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As good a job as he's done with the USA, surely Bradley is only being tipped because he's an American.
I think Jol and Rijkaard would be top runners for me, fancy a bit of that sexy dutch football at Villa Park (not the studs to the chest kind they now serve up though)
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Nice of MON to wait until just before the season starts.
I would make Moyes an offer he can not refuse. Failing that Jol isn't a bad shout. Whoever it is I hope they are given money to spend but I just don't think the money is there anymore.
We cannot make Moyes an offer unless Everton allow us to. They'd be unwilling at the best of times but 5 days before the start of the season there is not a chance they'd agree.
Of course! that is how football works.
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
And how many 'genuinely top class' managers are currently looking for work? Of those how many are looking for work at a club about to sell their best player and where all the signs point to a club looking to cut back not push on?
Chris, playing devil's advocate here, but were all of the signs design to help make up MON's mind? Milner aside which is a case of getting stupid money for a player, then was every other development really just a systematic way of dismantling the control MON had at the club.
If then the club go hire someone with new rules established, then they could theoretically loosen purse strings while continuing to strive towards their own objectives of expansion coupled with wage reduction of unused players.
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I would put my £10 birthday money on Bob Bradley
our transfer window marquee signing would then be his son
Creative midfield problem sorted!!!!!!
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To keep Young and Gabby (who are the only ones that would agitate for a move I think, they are the only star quality ala M Jol 2007) that we have beyond Milner, and quite honestly if either go they would fetch a lot of money for a new manager to spend on his own replacements, so 25 for young may be a reason for MON going, but be a carrot for a new man that thinks he can get better.
The new man has to have knowledge of the european and wider transfer market as we need to spend less on wages and fees, and the english based signings are demanding silly money when they come.
Deadwood has to be cleared.
The love in for Heskey should end.
Ireland should still be signed in the deal for Milner.
Brave new dawn. Big day and week or so ahead for the club, but get it right and the shackles of MON could be off, and football might actually be enjoyable at Villa Park.
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
And how many 'genuinely top class' managers are currently looking for work? Of those how many are looking for work at a club about to sell their best player and where all the signs point to a club looking to cut back not push on?
Chris, playing devil's advocate here, but were all of the signs design to help make up MON's mind? Milner aside which is a case of getting stupid money for a player, then was every other development really just a systematic way of dismantling the control MON had at the club.
If then the club go hire someone with new rules established, then they could theoretically loosen purse strings while continuing to strive towards their own objectives of expansion coupled with wage reduction of unused players.
If they wanted rid why not just sack him? Why cause a rift that leaved them 5 days before the season starts to find a replacement?
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stuart Pearce
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
And how many 'genuinely top class' managers are currently looking for work? Of those how many are looking for work at a club about to sell their best player and where all the signs point to a club looking to cut back not push on?
Chris, playing devil's advocate here, but were all of the signs design to help make up MON's mind? Milner aside which is a case of getting stupid money for a player, then was every other development really just a systematic way of dismantling the control MON had at the club.
If then the club go hire someone with new rules established, then they could theoretically loosen purse strings while continuing to strive towards their own objectives of expansion coupled with wage reduction of unused players.
I think I agree you have a point there.
If I'm understanding you - and I think I am - you're wondering whether the the sell to buy / get rid of Milner thing was done to force MON out? It wouldn't surprise me.
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Lets face it, it's five days before the start of the new season, there's very little time left to organise transfers and (apparently) no money to do it with anyway, at least one of our better players is leaving, the club is in turmoil, we don't have champions league football, huge money or star players to tempt a top manager with. We are not going to get a world class manager, we will end up with someone of Curbishley's standard, if not the man himself. It is very much back to the doldrums for the forseeable future ladies and gents. Suddenly our 'bright' future seems a little dimmer.
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As I said on the other thread, I've a feeling (and would quite like) Martin Jol will be our next manager.
Might put a fiver on it in a bit.
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Well, we'll certainly see what the board is made of now. This is obviously the most serious setback they've faced, be interesting to see what plays out over the next few days and weeks.
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
And how many 'genuinely top class' managers are currently looking for work? Of those how many are looking for work at a club about to sell their best player and where all the signs point to a club looking to cut back not push on?
Chris, playing devil's advocate here, but were all of the signs design to help make up MON's mind? Milner aside which is a case of getting stupid money for a player, then was every other development really just a systematic way of dismantling the control MON had at the club.
If then the club go hire someone with new rules established, then they could theoretically loosen purse strings while continuing to strive towards their own objectives of expansion coupled with wage reduction of unused players.
If they wanted rid why not just sack him? Why cause a rift that leaved them 5 days before the season starts to find a replacement?
I don't know that they wanted to, but they wanted to change things over time, and it wasn't happening. Maybe they wanted to work with him and they gave it as much time as possible. I take your point off course, and it will be interesting what transpires in the next few days. A lot will become obvious about the direction of the club, the finances, and the desire of the owner between now and the end of the window.
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Ian Taylor or Sid Cowens
Why tell you what John Gregory
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Hate to say it, but never felt so depressed ahead of the new season, there is no light at the end of the tunnel - Randy please buy us a torch!!
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Keegans not doing much at the moment
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I want someone who
will promote youth and don't be afraid to play them
will use players in right position and doesn't have favourites (benefit like of Luke Young)
bring in quality players from oversea like Arsene Wenger
keep a strong english core in the team
modern tactics
entertaining and passing football.
Who is the man ? I don't know but I would love Joseph Guardiola of Barcelona.
We need to find next generation Arsene Wenger to take over Aston Villa but who ?
Joachim Loeb would be my choice if we can't get Martin Jol.
Klinsmann is pretty much all of the above. The way that Germany play now is the style that was instigated and set up by him. I read an excellent article by him just after the world cup and remember thinking at the time that this is the kind of philosophy we need at the club.
Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8789682.stm)
Would however prefer someone with Premiership experience.
The real brains behind Germany at the World cup four years ago was Joachim Low. The German FA knew this and that's why they promoted him. Klinsmann was more the public figurehead. He was a disaster at Bayern when he had to go it alone. Tactically, he was all over the place.
Not at all, and actually Klinsmann decided not to renew his contract as national coach. He also took Bayern to the quarter finals of the Champions League and they were third in the league when he was sacked there. Though he'd hardly had the time to implement much in just under a season there.
Personally i think he is the type of manager that given a few years here would do a great job, especially considering his philosophy of developing youth. His fast flowing counter attacking style would also fit in well with the players we currently have, though he would also add that extra passing dimension we have been looking for.
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
And how many 'genuinely top class' managers are currently looking for work? Of those how many are looking for work at a club about to sell their best player and where all the signs point to a club looking to cut back not push on?
I don't see that our next manager can only come the ranks of the currently unemployed. Mangers move from club to club all the time. It makes it more difficult and protracted, and also more expensive, but it's not impossible.
Anyway, as I said, I reckon it all hinges on how much money there would be at his disposal.
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Bradley or Jol were the two I first thought of when I heard the news.
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The timing is really shit - a few weeks earlier and we could have got uncle Woy. Jol would be my choice. Please God not Curbishley or Sven.
Now we'll see what Lerner's made of
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Keegans not doing much at the moment
Well, no change there then.
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The love in for Heskey should end.
And suddenly a ray of sunshine shines through the clouds. Hopefully Heskey will go too now!
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It's time for the dream team of Phil Brown and Ian Dowie.
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Personally, I think Martin Jol should be at the lower end of the range of managers we should be considering.
Even though I was vocal in my criticism of O'Neill, I always said that if the alternative was someone like Curbishley then we should stick by O'Neill. If we can appoint a genuinely top class manager then O'Neill's work over the last four years can be built on to achieve real success. If we appoint someone of Curbishley's calibre then it's back to the doldrums, I'm afraid.
I think it all hinges on how much money there is for the new manager. Pretty much everything else is in place.
And how many 'genuinely top class' managers are currently looking for work? Of those how many are looking for work at a club about to sell their best player and where all the signs point to a club looking to cut back not push on?
I don't see that our next manager can only come the ranks of the currently unemployed. Mangers move from club to club all the time. It makes it more difficult and protracted, and also more expensive, but it's not impossible.
Anyway, as I said, I reckon it all hinges on how much money there would be at his disposal.
OK as you don't want to answer that one, which "genuinely top class" managers are likely to walk out on their current clubs to join us?
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I honestly believe, the more I think about it that the club will want to appoint a manager with a good continental reputation. As much as I would like Moyes, he'll be very hard to get. I like the idea of something completely different.
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Surely it is more likely to be a manager who wants to "make" a reputation rather than one who has one already. It's going to be almost impossible for any manager to come in, get the players he wants in and out, and keep the club in the top six, at least for the first season in charge. Surely managers who have already achieved success will stay clear, at least for a while..and it will be up to those who have a point to prove to roll the dice and give it a go?
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I dont think there is room on the Villa bench for 5 sub's and Diego Maradona..so there's one ruled out.
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Surely it is more likely to be a manager who wants to "make" a reputation rather than one who has one already. It's going to be almost impossible for any manager to come in, get the players he wants in and out, and keep the club in the top six, at least for the first season in charge. Surely managers who have already achieved success will stay clear, at least for a while..and it will be up to those who have a point to prove to roll the dice and give it a go?
I don't agree with that. The chance at managing Aston Villa is still a top job in Europe and a lot of solid names will throw their hat in. They'd be coming to a club that is top 6 PL and in Europe with a board that has publicly supported the manager financially over the past 4 years. Yes, there is some house cleaning to be done, but that's the same at every club. These jobs don't come up very often.
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Is Marco van Basten in a job at the moment?
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My main, possibly only, reservation about MON going is whether Randy and his crew have the necessary football knowledge to pick an appropriate successor. Randy doesn't appear to have a fantastic track record in his appointments for the Browns in a sport he knows much better than proper Football. Bob Bradley would be a mistake in my view as he lacks the experience of running a top club, and any experience in European let alone English football. I though Martin Jol did a decent job and was treated appalingly by Spurs after two 5th places and playing some decent football on and off - but he had his critics among Spurs fans. He seems to always speak highly of Villa though, and he knows the region, so you never know. Apart from that Rijkaard, Bilic or Hitzfield could be good shouts. I'd also have been okay with Hughes, who I think gets an unfair press, or Hodgson, but it's a bit late now.
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Yet again we shoot ourselves in the foot.
Obviously about transfer funds, and despite what your opinions are about MON, i think you can say that his main motivation was to improve his and his clubs reputation.We would have only have gained as a club by MON trying to do this.
But now the king is dead, long live the king.Hiddink or noone.If Sven comes,. i won't be going down again.
The next appointment will show our future ambition.
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This is depressing.
There is no manager worthy of replacing MON.
Low? Why would he come to Villa???
Jol? 2nd to FC Twente.
There isn't anyone.
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The next appointment will show our future ambition.
Mid to lower table = every manager on the list who would realistically come to Villa.
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What about a Bid for Trapattoni? He's done an unbelievable job with some absolute dross in the ROI squad. I think he'd be affordable and would welcome the opportunity of not having to coach the likes of Glenn Whelan. Would be a very good technical coach and I think would steady the ship. Has won things just about everywhere he's gone....
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There is no manager worthy of replacing MON.
You are joking -right?
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Name one then CCBB who will inspire you, and fill you full of confidence.
Moyes, and Hiddink are the only 2 i would think we have a chance for now, if we don't get one of them, then prepare yourself for mid table mediocrity.
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OK as you don't want to answer that one, which "genuinely top class" managers are likely to walk out on their current clubs to join us?
It's not a case of not wanting to answer that one, that's how it is. Our next manager doesn't have to be currently unemployed.
As to who would quit their current job to take over, I have no idea. Depends on what sort of case we can make to them.
Put it this way, I don't think Randy's first thought should be "Okay, let's assume that x, y, and z won't be interested and not bother even approaching them." What he should do is figure out which managers he would be most happy with and go from there.
Obviously there are managers who aren't gettable: Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, etc. But other than that very top tier, I don't think we should necessarily be ruling anyone out before we've approached them.
As others have said, this is an absolutely crucial appointment, so it's not a time to be thinking small.
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I'm not sure who we can lure to the club. Magath, van Basten etc are big names but would they come to a club that seems to be in turmoil.
There's something deeply wrong I think. Would the new man have funds? Would he encounter some problem with Randy that may have caused MON's walkout?
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Merson: "It's a shame Peter Reid's got the Plymouth job, he'd have been ideal"
Has he graduated from booze to crystal meth?
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OK as you don't want to answer that one, which "genuinely top class" managers are likely to walk out on their current clubs to join us?
It's not a case of not wanting to answer that one, that's how it is. Our next manager doesn't have to be currently unemployed.
As to who would quit their current job to take over, I have no idea. Depends on what sort of case we can make to them.
Put it this way, I don't think Randy's first thought should be "Okay, let's assume that x, y, and z won't be interested and not bother even approaching them." What he should do is figure out which managers he would be most happy with and go from there.
Obviously there are managers who aren't gettable: Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, etc. But other than that very top tier, I don't think we should necessarily be ruling anyone out before we've approached them.
As others have said, this is an absolutely crucial appointment, so it's not a time to be thinking small.
I think that the reason we have a vacancy today is largely down to that fact that we have been thinking small.
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Merson: "It's a shame Peter Reid's got the Plymouth job, he'd have been ideal"
Has he graduated from booze to crystal meth?
No, he just thinks it's still 1990.
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just heard that from Merse...mental
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Merson: "It's a shame Peter Reid's got the Plymouth job, he'd have been ideal"
Has he graduated from booze to crystal meth?
No, he just thinks it's still 1990.
I feel like turning to booze now...Peter Reid? is he off his effing head?
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Merson is coming out with some absolute tripe on SSN. Reckons we came 5th and 6th in the last two seasons and is saying we've been punching well above our weight recently. Oh yeah I forgot about those the 5 or 6 sides we've finished above that we really didnt expect to. Fulham, Stoke, Blackburn.... All far bigger clubs than the Villa. What the hell is he on about???!!!!
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Jol or Hiddink
All other names would be a backward step in my opinion
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As others have said, think we're really going to see what the board and Randy are made of now, and just how serious their commitement is. It'll either be a master stroke if they have someone good lined up and have manouevered MON into this situation, or a complete disaster if they make a bad appointment. Probably be somewhere between the two.
I don't think there'll be a shortage of applicants, it's their calibre that'll be interesting.
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Curbishley or anyone of that ilk would be useless! Don't think for one second they would be got.
From rumours before, Randy has been frustrated at MON not being more ambitious with players bought in, so I still think the money is there for the right man with the right ambition, I just think MON has used up too many credits with the chairman.
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Merson: "It's a shame Peter Reid's got the Plymouth job, he'd have been ideal"
Has he graduated from booze to crystal meth?
Haha! What a prize pillock.
Everyone knows we should be trying to tempt Sgt Wilko from Leeds instead. Maybe he'll bring Lee Chapman with him.
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MARTIN JOL OR SLAVEN BILLIC PLZ.
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Diego Armando Maradona or Ban Kee Moon for me.
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MARTIN JOL OR SLAVEN BILLIC PLZ.
You've read my mind, my friend.
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Curbishley or anyone of that ilk would be useless! Don't think for one second they would be got.
From rumours before, Randy has been frustrated at MON not being more ambitious with players bought in, so I still think the money is there for the right man with the right ambition, I just think MON has used up too many credits with the chairman.
I agree with this. I also don't think we're broke we may not have as much to spend as the last 2 years but I dont think were broke at all. I aslo think Randy was somewhat annoyed when he found out we had a bigger wage bill than Spurs
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Maradona would be a great coup, as long as he promises to play with more than one midfielder.
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Curbishley or anyone of that ilk would be useless! Don't think for one second they would be got.
From rumours before, Randy has been frustrated at MON not being more ambitious with players bought in, so I still think the money is there for the right man with the right ambition, I just think MON has used up too many credits with the chairman.
Sorry. Ozz, I think that's just wishful thinking. It's clear we have to move players out to lower the wage bill. It's not sell to buy but the impact is just the same.
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Maradona would be a great coup, as long as he promises to play with more than one midfielder.
He couldn't do any job except Argentina, and even that was a bit wing and a prayer.
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Big Phil Scolari please.
I have a horrible feeling it will be Bob Bradley as coach with Lerner in charge of transfers.
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Big Phil Scolari please.
Because of the great success he has been in club football before?
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Martin Jol or Slaven Bilic for me
Stick Curbs where the sun don't shine
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I don't get the Bilic thing at all - let some other club take the risk.
I wouldn't be over the moon at Jol but of it keeps some shite Championship level manager from filling the vacancy then I'll welcome him with open arms.
But the only men that will kick us on and could maybe be turned for a roomfull of used notes are David Moyes and Guus Hiddink.
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I don't get the Bilic thing at all - let some other club take the risk.
I wouldn't be over the moon at Jol but of it keeps some shite Championship level manager from filling the vacancy then I'll welcome him with open arms.
But the only men that will kick us on and could maybe be turned for a roomfull of used notes are David Moyes and Guus Hiddink.
Van Gaal? Hitzfeld?
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At this late stage, I wouldn't rush into appointing anyone. Kevin MacDonald has done an amazing and unheralded job with the reserves for years. He knows the club and the squad inside out, particularly the young players. I'd leave him in situ for the immediate future. I'm not suggesting he's the long term answer but given the timing of O'Neill's departure, I can't see any currently employed top manager walking out of his current club to take over at Villa Park.
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The timing of this sucks when the managers were doing the merry go rounds earlier on. Not much left in the "candy-shop". As someone else has said that this is going to be a defining moment in RAL's stewardship of Villa; as DW intimated on R5L, we dont want to go back to the roller-coaster era of Ellis/mgrs. The next man has to have European pedigree to attract players for the Europa and in a short space of time (subject to cash availability from RAL). MON has got us so far, but the next man has to take us to the next level with potentially a small spend budget.
Curbishley = Backwards step
Jol/Moyes = sideways
Klinsmann = potentially forward
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Bob Bradley is an interesting one. No idea what his club career has been like but he's very highly thought of in football circles. I thought he'd end up at Fulham to be honest.
as I said, I've no idea what his club record is like.
A manager who has never dipped his toe in a transfer market before?
Nothing like the sort of manager we should be after.
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What about we poach 'big eck'?
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I don't get the Bilic thing at all - let some other club take the risk.
I wouldn't be over the moon at Jol but of it keeps some shite Championship level manager from filling the vacancy then I'll welcome him with open arms.
But the only men that will kick us on and could maybe be turned for a roomfull of used notes are David Moyes and Guus Hiddink.
Billic is a young and raw manager who gives a different style and approach as a football manager. He won't be so conservative like MON and he'd getting us playing some really nice and effective football which is easy on the eye. We need to change for sure, Billic would offer us a new type of drive and determination with new and fresh ideas which we need to try and take us forward; and plus, look at all the Croatian talent around at the moment... we wan a striker, hello Mladen Petric?
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Klinsmann or Eriksson please!
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What about we poach 'big eck'?
In milk or white wine?
Either way it can probably wait until we've got a new manager sorted.
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Why not go for Maradona and to hell with it (kidding by the way). Jol/Sven/umbrella man et al - NOOOOOOOO.
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I don't get the Bilic thing at all - let some other club take the risk.
I wouldn't be over the moon at Jol but of it keeps some shite Championship level manager from filling the vacancy then I'll welcome him with open arms.
But the only men that will kick us on and could maybe be turned for a roomfull of used notes are David Moyes and Guus Hiddink.
Van Gaal? Hitzfeld?
Isn't Van Gaal virtual royalty in Munich at the moment? Hitzfeld could work, I forgot about him. And Hiddink's contract with Turkey only started last week!
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I shut my smug bluenose mate up with that. He's not under contract i think and since i mentioned jt, the bluenose has not been back.
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I don't get the Bilic thing at all - let some other club take the risk.
I wouldn't be over the moon at Jol but of it keeps some shite Championship level manager from filling the vacancy then I'll welcome him with open arms.
But the only men that will kick us on and could maybe be turned for a roomfull of used notes are David Moyes and Guus Hiddink.
Billic is a young and raw manager who gives a different style and approach as a football manager. He won't be so conservative like MON and he'd getting us playing some really nice and effective football which is easy on the eye. We need to change for sure, Billic would offer us a new type of drive and determination with new and fresh ideas which we need to try and take us forward; and plus, look at all the Croatian talent around at the moment... we wan a striker, hello Mladen Petric?
Bilic as a coach is pretty naive and he's completely unproven in club football. That's why he's not worth the risk for me. And as for us signing Petric just because his ex-national team coach is in charge of us? I think his club would have something to say about that as well.
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Klinsmann or Eriksson please!
Seriously?
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Jol .. only candidate for me
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Merson: "It's a shame Peter Reid's got the Plymouth job, he'd have been ideal"
Has he graduated from booze to crystal meth?
Jayz, he used to wear our number 10 shirt ..... snort on Merse, snort on.
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Jol .. only candidate for me
Agreed, we need to pay Ajax the necessary fee asap and get him in.
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JOL OR BOB BRADLEY
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I think Jol would jump at the chance of coming here - unfinished business with the Prem after Spurs. He seems to have done a good job wherever he's been and would be my preference as it stands.
Dare I say it, I also think the ginger one from B9 could be a good bet.
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The thought of Sven managing Aston Villa makes me feel physically sick.
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The thought of Sven managing Aston Villa makes me feel physically sick.
Seconded
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The thought of Sven managing Aston Villa makes me feel physically sick.
Seconded
Thirded etc
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The thought of Sven managing Aston Villa makes me feel physically sick.
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The thought of Sven managing Aston Villa makes me feel physically sick.
Seconded
Thirded etc
42,708 th !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Who is there to advise Randy on a new manager ? McDonald, Sid ?
Jol,Bilic,Moyes are the only decent choices i think.
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My first thought earlier was Martin Jol. He did a great job a Spurs, not sure why they sacked him.
I can understand the clamour for Billc, but he has'nt managed a league club yet, it would be a bit of a risk.
Bob Bradley, a definate no. I'm not sure he'd handle the pressure very well, it would be a bit alien to him.
We could always wait to see if Capello get's fed up after Wednesday Night's no-hopers show up again. :)
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as clampy said, Billic is too much of a risk for me.
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Personally I think that anyone saying "manager x, y and z are the only choices" is being extremely narrow minded.
There are scores of managers who might be good enough out there. It's just a case of someone in the right position making the correct decision between "might" and "will".
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Some silly person on Radio 5Bloke has just said "Curbishley is by far the best English manager available" - then get a non-English manager then! Fool.
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This isn't through Claret tinted glasses,and I do like Everton,but we do have a better set up than them(Ground,money etc) and unless he may get the Utd job one day(though that may take years),does anyone else think Moyes may be tempted by the job?
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Advice to you all- get to bookies and put your cash on klinsmann! Remember me when collecting your winnings.
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Advice to you all- get to bookies and put your cash on klinsmann! Remember me when collecting your winnings.
Yes, we'll get right on that with all of the nailed on TalkSport exclusives you've given us so far.
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To all those who wanted O'Neill out - who was your candidate to replace him?
Wasn't it Mourinho or something daft?
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Klinnsman, Jol, Hitzfeld. Someone like that please, not some English hoof merchant like Allardyce or Curbishley.
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One of Jol, Klinsmann, Moyes and Hiddink for me, would show ambition to the fans and all have good european knowledge and would play good football.
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Hiddink, Magath, Jol would be great but could we get them? Would Randy have the contacts to attract them?
I would say a Klinsman would be more likely but could be a risky appointment.
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This isn't through Claret tinted glasses,and I do like Everton,but we do have a better set up than them(Ground,money etc) and unless he may get the Utd job one day(though that may take years),does anyone else think Moyes may be tempted by the job?
Not a chance
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If Lerner's heart is still in it and there is cash to spend (just not for MON) then I reckon Moyes would join.
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To all those who wanted O'Neill out - who was your candidate to replace him?
Wasn't it Mourinho or something daft?
In fairness that was before he took the Inter job and he had something to prove. People haven't been talking of him in ages.
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This isn't through Claret tinted glasses,and I do like Everton,but we do have a better set up than them(Ground,money etc) and unless he may get the Utd job one day(though that may take years),does anyone else think Moyes may be tempted by the job?
Not a chance
Agreed. Why move sideways into a very difficult job? Nah, he can afford to wait for a better opportunity than this one.
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I'm a little depressed by the sudden clamour for Klinsmann I have to say.
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Moyes has done very well at Everton make no mistake and he could get a do very well for us but lets not delude ourselves into thinking that his Everton team have played champagne football.
And poor football was one of the main sticks used to beat MoN with.
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Jol please. Did a good job at Spurs, they should never have sacked him. They went backwards after him and it took Harry's sackloads of cash to get them back up there.
Also he may just tell Spurz to do when when they come in for Young...!!
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If Lerner's heart is still in it and there is cash to spend (just not for MON) then I reckon Moyes would join.
Why would he leave one club with fuck all to spend for another one? Best manager in the Premiership though. I like your thinking.
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Hi guys,
Everton fan here. I come in peace honestly! First off really sorry that this has happened to you, especially at such a shitty time of the preseason. I'm an Everton fan but based in Brum so have always had alot of time for your boys.
Just thought i'd make comment on the Moyes idea. I just can't see why Moyes would leave Everton at the moment when he's finally assembled such a strong side at Goodison and has just secured the likes of Arteta, Cahill and Rodders to long term deals. When he leaves us I think he'll be making a step up not a sideways step, that's not supposed to be an insult at all,I just think that with both our current squads, our history, our recent records that we are pretty much in exactly the same boat.
For me I think that if you are going to go foreign then Bob bradly would be a cracking manager, as would Martin Jol if he played ball. Hiddink has been mentioned but he's just started at Turkey and has already turned down the Inter job this summer so can't see that being a viable option. Billic mentioned a fair bit as well but i'd be worried about how he would cope at club level.
Any
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If Lerner's heart is still in it and there is cash to spend (just not for MON) then I reckon Moyes would join.
Why would he leave one club with fuck all to spend for another one? Best manager in the Premiership though. I like your thinking.
Perhaps Lerner just didn't fancy giving O'Neill anymore money to spend in case he wasted it like he did with Sidwell,Shorey, Reo Coker, Harewood etc?
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If Lerner's heart is still in it and there is cash to spend (just not for MON) then I reckon Moyes would join.
Why would he leave one club with fuck all to spend for another one? Best manager in the Premiership though. I like your thinking.
Maybe it was fuck all money for MON ? Cant believe a new manager would have nothing to spend.
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The percentages are more likely to go with Martin Jol rather than anyone else we can realistically get as MANAGER. I'd be very happy if we managed to get Jol and it would rectify a lot of things and can make us progress; plus, he'd reassure everything and I don't think any of our players would question their future. Also, he can just tell spuds that they're too small to sign Ashley Young hehe.
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Moyes in a fairly derogatory way has said he would not manage villa even if unemployed, on his Twitter account.
Bradley is the total unknown.
Klinsmann would need good coaches around him but might be an exciting prospect and very well respected by players, and certainly the biggest name we would have had as manager. His all round knowledge of the game would be interesting to see.
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Moyes in a fairly derogatory way has said he would not manage villa even if unemployed, on his Twitter account.
Just so you know that isn't Moyes. Just some guy pretending to be. There are a few people mascarading as him but he doesn't have a twitter account.
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just thought i'd throw a new name in here...didier deschamps done a decent job at marseille. could he cut it in premier league?
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FFS.....Klinsmann..........these idiots on here are the supposed experts who said that MON was tactically inept.Well he is Mourinhio in comparison to Klinsmann.Low was the brains not Klinsmann.
To be quite frank, i think all those anti-MON posters should have the good grace to stop being so smug on here and be a bit constructive in their points.
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As alot of people said to me, watching England is llike watching Villa....
so dont want Capello
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For the people who think Klinsmann has the credentials to be a top manager in the immediate future, why?
I mean FFS, you might as well give the job to David Platt.
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FFS.....Klinsmann..........these idiots on here are the supposed experts who said that MON was tactically inept.Well he is Mourinhio in comparison to Klinsmann.Low was the brains not Klinsmann.
To be quite frank, i think all those anti-MON posters should have the good grace to stop being so smug on here and be a bit constructive in their points.
That's a bit much isn't it? everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Hi guys,
Everton fan here. I come in peace honestly! First off really sorry that this has happened to you, especially at such a shitty time of the preseason. I'm an Everton fan but based in Brum so have always had alot of time for your boys.
Just thought i'd make comment on the Moyes idea. I just can't see why Moyes would leave Everton at the moment when he's finally assembled such a strong side at Goodison and has just secured the likes of Arteta, Cahill and Rodders to long term deals. When he leaves us I think he'll be making a step up not a sideways step, that's not supposed to be an insult at all,I just think that with both our current squads, our history, our recent records that we are pretty much in exactly the same boat.
For me I think that if you are going to go foreign then Bob bradly would be a cracking manager, as would Martin Jol if he played ball. Hiddink has been mentioned but he's just started at Turkey and has already turned down the Inter job this summer so can't see that being a viable option. Billic mentioned a fair bit as well but i'd be worried about how he would cope at club level.
Any
in an ideal world you are right.
However, if we are prepared to pay him a million or so more a year than Everton can he'll be off, money talks in football. I would have hoped he would also have more to spend at Villa than Everton.
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Some fans weren't happy with 6th place and 6 points off that 4th spot so i can't see those same fans being happy with whoever we appoint.
Unless randy is willing to invest more money i don't see how anyone we get can take us further. City have unlimited funds, spurs have champs league money and it looks like liverpool are sorting themselves out.
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For the people who think Klinsmann has the credentials to be a top manager in the immediate future, why?
I mean FFS, you might as well give the job to David Platt.
I know. It's almost as if his time at Bayern never happened. He was utterly disastrous.
I think people are just becoming star struck and want a famous name regardless of his credentials.
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Hi guys,
Everton fan here. I come in peace honestly! First off really sorry that this has happened to you, especially at such a shitty time of the preseason. I'm an Everton fan but based in Brum so have always had alot of time for your boys.
Just thought i'd make comment on the Moyes idea. I just can't see why Moyes would leave Everton at the moment when he's finally assembled such a strong side at Goodison and has just secured the likes of Arteta, Cahill and Rodders to long term deals. When he leaves us I think he'll be making a step up not a sideways step, that's not supposed to be an insult at all,I just think that with both our current squads, our history, our recent records that we are pretty much in exactly the same boat.
For me I think that if you are going to go foreign then Bob bradly would be a cracking manager, as would Martin Jol if he played ball. Hiddink has been mentioned but he's just started at Turkey and has already turned down the Inter job this summer so can't see that being a viable option. Billic mentioned a fair bit as well but i'd be worried about how he would cope at club level.
Any
in an ideal world you are right.
However, if we are prepared to pay him a million or so more a year than Everton can he'll be off, money talks in football. I would have hoped he would also have more to spend at Villa than Everton.
Fair enough, each to their own I guess but Moyes has never been one to go after money and though we may not have huge amounts to spend on transfers our chairman at least releases all the money made from sold players, which if certain rumours are to be believed could be one of the factors in MON's exit. Either way I can't see Moyes leaving now simply because of the squad he has now built, plusI can't see the club wanting to enter into any sort of negotitation at ths late stage.
Good luck anyway, horrible thing to happen at this late time
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Appointing Bradley would be a silly move. This season is almost certainly a write off, there is very little chance we're going to finish higher than 6th.
I'd go for a bigger name, someone like Jol or Klinsmann on a deal that gives us a get out clause next Summer - then look for a more permanent manager.
I'm not a Klinsmann fan, but atleast he'd give us a buzz back - it would certainly raise spirits. That's what we need. A Bob Bradley or an Alan Curbishley type would just deflate spirits further.
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
If you believe MON was on a sell to buy policy, then it doesn't compare to Jol. Ajax are well skint and it's what nearly forced Jol to join Fulham. I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
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What about Zola ?
Did OK in an impossible situation at West Ham.
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
He almost left them for Fulham not so long ago so he obviously doesn't feel that he has that much of a point to prove. From what I can gather Fulham balked at paying off Ajax to release him so he stayed there. We're certainly a much bigger draw than Fulham and he's already stated that he wants to manage in the PL again.
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
I know what you are saying, but I think most footballers first question would be "How much?" long before "Who?". Plenty of low profile managers have signed big players, its just a question of dollars.
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How about that Barazilian fella who was in charge of Chelsea for a while, what happened to him?
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Heard Paddy Power on TalkShite. He said MON was 20/1 to be the first manager to go this season, and he was backed heavily all day and was 7/4 favourite an hour before the announcement was made and betting suspended.
Interesting then that Bradley was not even in the initial betting and then went from 20/1, 16/1, 8/1 and 4/1 where he remains the favourite. I've even read some posts saying betting on Bradley has been suspended at some bookmakers.
My father was a bookie, and they don't throw their money around lightly. I'm guessing the deal is already done, which if true means there's more to the 'sudden' announcement than meets the eye.
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
If you believe MON was on a sell to buy policy, then it doesn't compare to Jol. Ajax are well skint and it's what nearly forced Jol to join Fulham. I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
Jol is not happy, but the season has now begun here and they're preparing for the home game on saturday, which I'm off to with my son. In fact I will eat my sons Ajax scarf is Jol is not there come saturday.
If Villa want to go Dutch than they should either approach Co Adriaanse or even make a cheeky offer to Van Marwijk.
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
And if he's actually a very good manager? Then we should forget about him just because his name doesn't really fit?
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I really hope these Bradley rumours are not correct.
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Bob Bradley will be in place by Thursday... Mark my words.
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I suppose this is the new transfer thread now?
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Paul Lambert for me.
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
And if he's actually a very good manager? Then we should forget about him just because his name doesn't really fit?
He's leaving it a bit late if he's going to be the next big thing. He looks about sixty.
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MON has left us in the shit.
He knows it and you know what, I don't thnk he cares.
Martin ( rolling contract / control freak) O'Neill will not be remembered with much affection at VP in years to come.
As for his replaecement .... as I've said - get Allardyce.
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Bruce Arena?
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As for his replaecement .... as I've said - get Allardyce.
Any particular reason why?
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
And if he's actually a very good manager? Then we should forget about him just because his name doesn't really fit?
No, it isn't about his name, it is about the fact he has no profile or experience in top flight football, none at all.
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
If you believe MON was on a sell to buy policy, then it doesn't compare to Jol. Ajax are well skint and it's what nearly forced Jol to join Fulham. I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
Jol is not happy, but the season has now begun here and they're preparing for the home game on saturday, which I'm off to with my son. In fact I will eat my sons Ajax scarf is Jol is not there come saturday.
If Villa want to go Dutch than they should either approach Co Adriaanse or even make a cheeky offer to Van Marwijk.
he doesn't have to be here by Saturday though. As for the last fella you mentioned, I'd rather not have his thug tactics at Villa Park.
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
And if he's actually a very good manager? Then we should forget about him just because his name doesn't really fit?
No, it isn't about his name, it is about the fact he has no profile or experience in top flight football, none at all.
Quite. Has he managed a club side at a decent level? I wouldn't be overly impressed at all with his appointment but would be happy to be be proved wrong...
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Kevin McDonald. Let the season start and the manager conveyor belt get up to full speed. In the meantime who better to blood our youngsters, He's also very familiar with NRC, Sidwell, L young, and so many others
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I wouldn't be happy with Bradley because his style of play is very pragmatic and he would probably get us 9th/10th playing pretty functional football. That's why I don't want Bob Bradley.
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
And if he's actually a very good manager? Then we should forget about him just because his name doesn't really fit?
No, it isn't about his name, it is about the fact he has no profile or experience in top flight football, none at all.
Quite. Has he managed a club side at a decent level? I wouldn't be overly impressed at all with his appointment but would be happy to be be proved wrong...
No.
But nor has Slaven Bilic who some people say is one of the best option.
And I would say that Bradley is a much better manager than Klinsmann who lots of people are suggesting.
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Slaven Bilic has a far greater knowledge of European football and is widely considered one of the best young managers in the world. Not saying he's my first choice, but he's surely on the shortlist.
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We need to be more entertaining and not be overly pragmatic, so someone like Jol for me.
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We shouldn't rush the appointment, that's for sure. The transfer window will be a write off no matter what because there's no time left for any incoming boss to really do much.
Thing is we can hope all we want for a good manager to come in and suddenly have us playing good football. But it doesn't work like that. We've a side built mainly on pace, power and high energy. We don't have, 2 or 3 players aside, the personal for pretty football.
I'd love us to play nice football, but it'll require 1-2 windows of business and any new manager to bring in players to suit.
It's gonna be a long season methinks!
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Hiddink would show that we still mean business and lift the gloom instantly.
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Carlos Cuéllar Oficial I don't know the reasons of the mister's dimission. I'm so surprise, like everybody :-(
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he doesn't have to be here by Saturday though. As for the last fella you mentioned, I'd rather not have his thug tactics at Villa Park.
No he doesn't, but i very much suspect he will be. Oh and there's not a sniff in the papers here about Jol leaving and frankly they should know better than the British ones.
The cold hard truth is that MON's timing is the worst possible timing there could be and it makes Lerner's job to find a suitable replacement an impossible task. AND Lerner knows full well that he needs to be seen to be proactive here, as the vultures will be circling, especially if we lose to West Ham
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I really do think we're stuffed. The jobless manager list is so depressing. The appointment we make will be unambitious and desperate .6th will become 10th will become 17th.
I hope Randy pays the required and makes an appointment that fills all of us with just a little hope for the future.
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i liked mon and i liked the stability of it all. but i have said before that even if we sell milner he couldint buy new players because of the wage bill not coming down enough. just suprised it wasnt established in may. May be a new guy (another american bradley) will utilise fringe players and youth players a bit differently and get more out of them. always thought mon had integrity
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Here's the odds from all the bookies....
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager)
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Slaven Bilic has a far greater knowledge of European football and is widely considered one of the best young managers in the world. Not saying he's my first choice, but he's surely on the shortlist.
Considered by whom and why?
Because he stumbled to Euro qualification ahead of the most inept England side in a generation and then failed miserably the following tournament?
What are his other credentials?
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Bradley is the type of manager I can see at Fulham, not, I hope at Villa. Sadly I am more sure about those I don't want than those I do. That said I think Jol or Bilic would be my favoured two from those betting lists.
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i liked mon and i liked the stability of it all. but i have said before that even if we sell milner he couldint buy new players because of the wage bill not coming down enough. just suprised it wasnt established in may. May be a new guy (another american bradley) will utilise fringe players and youth players a bit differently and get more out of them. always thought mon had integrity
Oh he had integrity alright,allied to the most risk-free constipated outlook on tactical nous since Nigel Worthington.
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I can't really blame Lerner too much. 100mill plus, ploughed into transfers, and much of it wasted.
I do see why Martin felt he'd hit the brick wall, but by the same token, he's wasted too much on drek with high fees and wages, and then not even played the drek.
And Lerner we always knew was not a bottomless pit. Somewhere along the lines he needs to make some money. Getting offered crazy money for Milner and soon Young, he'd actually be foolish not to sell. In the case of Young, I hope he is foolish. For this season at least. So much of how we will fare, will be on Young now.
I'd like to see MacDonald and Sid given a crack at it together. First and foremost they'll want the ball on the deck a lot more.
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Bob Bradley?
Can he fix it? No, he probably can't.
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It has to be Martin Jol or Gus Hiddink although I can't see the latter coming here knowing there's nowt to spend.
I can see Yankee Doodle Bob coming and that's depressing
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Billic has an aura of invincibility about him, he seems a similar sort of manager to Mourinho to me - creates a 'world is against us' atmosphere among the players and is such a big personality all the spotlight is on him.
I wouldn't mind him.
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I'd like to see MacDonald and Sid given a crack at it together. First and foremost they'll want the ball on the deck a lot more.
Understandable but I really think we will need someone with more experience, you also wonder how much they would want it given that they have been here so long without apparently showing much interest in taking over at lower league clubs to give them that experience.
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Those people who were suggesting we could get Mourinho in the summer . . who do you have your eyes on?!
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This will be Randy Lerners first managerial appointment for Villa, so will be interesting to see how he approaches it in terms of time taken, the sort of candidates considered suitable, and how ambitious he is in attarcting a big name. Maybe only our second ever non British manager ? Should he consult the our club President who has experience in such matters ???
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I'd like to see MacDonald and Sid given a crack at it together. First and foremost they'll want the ball on the deck a lot more.
Understandable but I really think we will need someone with more experience, you also wonder how much they would want it given that they have been here so long without apparently showing much interest in taking over at lower league clubs to give them that experience.
Yes. By crack I mean just a few months though, and bide our time for the right permanent boss to come along. If it ends up going tits up like Ince at Blackburn, then a quick stabilising move like Curbs might be needed.
That is of course unless Randy is willing to fork out to buy out another working manager, or someone like Hiddink asap. Which seems unlikely.
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Give it Martin Laursen
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Carlos Cueller posted on Facebook earlier but its now gone. Wonder if club told him to remove it?
Posted:
I know nothing about the gaffer leaved the club, I know just say Sky News
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If we can not prise Martin Jol off Ajax than Bilic is the man.
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Those people who were suggesting we could get Mourinho in the summer . . who do you have your eyes on?!
Get Hiddink in as temporary boss, replace him in June with Mourinho after Real give him the sack (no Real managers last longer than one season).
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I don't buy the argument we couldn't be a better footballing side. Look what Martinez did with negative cash resources at Wigan and what Hodgson did at Fulham. Both made rapid changes.
Any midfield with Petrov, Young, Downing should be able to pass the bloody football. Playing proper full backs on both sides, and not playing two centre fwds picked for their raw athleticism, would make a huge difference.
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Give it Martin Laursen
Why?
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Give it Martin Laursen
Somebody with no coaching experience and who wanted to spend time with his family and do a bit of media work. No thanks.
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I'd like to see MacDonald and Sid given a crack at it together. First and foremost they'll want the ball on the deck a lot more.
Understandable but I really think we will need someone with more experience, you also wonder how much they would want it given that they have been here so long without apparently showing much interest in taking over at lower league clubs to give them that experience.
Yes. By crack I mean just a few months though, and bide our time for the right permanent boss to come along. If it ends up going tits up like Ince at Blackburn, then a quick stabilising move like Curbs might be needed.
That is of course unless Randy is willing to fork out to buy out another working manager, or someone like Hiddink asap. Which seems unlikely.
I'd rather see those two in temporary charge till we find the best choice, than make a panic appoinment like Curbishley,Allardyce,the atmospehere would turn back to the days of O'dreary.
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I can't really blame Lerner too much.
I bloody do. No matter what the frustrations its still piss poor business to allow your manager to walk out just before a campaign. If there was a problem between the two of them they should have sorted it out weeks ago and if MON could not carry on, it should have been resolved then and not now.
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I don't buy the argument we couldn't be a better footballing side. Look what Martinez did with negative cash resources at Wigan and what Hodgson did at Fulham. Both made rapid changes.
Any midfield with Petrov, Young, Downing should be able to pass the bloody football. Playing proper full backs on both sides, and not playing two centre fwds picked for their raw athleticism, would make a huge difference.
We could be better for sure. Depends just what we'd expect. Hodgeson at Fulham is a decent example. I could live with that. To attain to being near a team like Arsenal say, then we would need a player shift.
At the same time we might lose some of our resiliance. Would I sacrifice points for decent football? No.
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whats klinsman upto
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Give it Martin Laursen
Why?
why not.
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why not.
Zero experience, for a start.
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Give it Martin Laursen
Why?
why not.
Because he has never managed anything or anyone and never given any indication that would have any aptitude to do so or even want to do so.
Reason enough?
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I've added a poll for most of the people mentioned so far. If anybody wants anybody else adding mention it here or PM a mod.
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I've added a poll for most of the people mentioned so far. If anybody wants anybody else adding mention it here or PM a mod.
Pearce, Southgate, Zola or O'Leary?
Really Mart?
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O'Leary was obviously a bijou jokette, but other than that I think as wide a choice as possible is a good idea. You may not want Pearce or Southgate, but enough different posters may do. Hard to tell at this early stage.
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The devil in me made me click on O'Leary, I just couldn't help myself :)
Ooo, he's joint 3rd favourite.
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Would want Moyes, but can't see why he would come, so have plumped for Jol. Not really an inspiring list though.
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It's a depressing list, which is why I couldn't understand people asking for Martins head - replace him with who exactly? It's a piss poor choice isn't it!!
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where's the option to vote for Hiddink?
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Add Nigel Clough to the poll please is it just me who thinks he is a great youngish manager
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Ideal would be a Hiddink or Hitzvelt wouldn't it.
Jol is like a MON with better football and more transfer links, but not as solid at the back.
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Totally senseless basis to make an appointment, but I have vague memories of reading that Martin Jol attended a certain game in Rotterdam in 1982.
If I take off the Villa spectacles, it will be very interesting to see Randy's commitment and how he deals with this situation.
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Jol or Rijkaard for me.
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I don't buy the argument we couldn't be a better footballing side. Look what Martinez did with negative cash resources at Wigan and what Hodgson did at Fulham. Both made rapid changes.
Any midfield with Petrov, Young, Downing should be able to pass the bloody football. Playing proper full backs on both sides, and not playing two centre fwds picked for their raw athleticism, would make a huge difference.
Nail, head and match et.c
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Randy will be in the UK tomorrow. Things should be clearer then.
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Bilic or Bradley for me. Only because I am completely underwhelmed by the other choices, so a vote for an unknown seems as good a choice as any.
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Can he have the plane re-routed to Turkey and pick up Hiddink on the way please?
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I don't know if i'm being slow,but is the poll for who we want ? Or who we'll get ?
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Randy will be in the UK tomorrow. Things should be clearer then.
Do you reckon he's popped back home to pick up Bob Beamon or whatever his name is over the last day or so?
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my two choices would be
Roberto Martinez or Ian Holloway
I like Martinez, but he may need a couple of years at Wigan before he steps into this shitstorm of a club.
he plays attractive passing football, i think he could do a great job at a bigger club, with better players.
I agree John, I'd just prefer him to have a couple of years dealing with the ins and outs of top flight management.
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Randy will be in the UK tomorrow. Things should be clearer then.
Do you reckon he's popped back to pick up Bob Beamon or whatever his name is?
would be good if he made a statement, clear up the rumours and let us know an idea of a timescale for new manager.
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Randy will be in the UK tomorrow. Things should be clearer then.
Is that definite Dave? If so do you know if Randy will be making a statement or will he delegate that to the CEO?
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How come chris Smith is allowed to vote 3 times ;-D
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Jol for me it the best fit, excellent manager who plays good football
Bob what his name, no thanks , no experience of our game etc.
He needs to try his a club in championship
I prefer Martinez is we cannot get Jol or prefer Macdonald has his respect of young talented players we have
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Randy will be in the UK tomorrow. Things should be clearer then.
Do you reckon he's popped back to pick up Bob Beamon or whatever his name is?
It would certainly round off the episode, from the excitement of signing MON and the expected triumphs to come to unveiling a cheap American that no-one has heard of. My missus has just commented that I've been in a 'vile mood' since coming in, getting Bob?? wouldn't improve matters.
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Voted Klinsmann as I think we need someone with a big worldwide profile. Hiddink, Hitzfeld and Jol would all be good too.
We have the basis of a very good squad (as I've been saying all summer) we're just 2-3 players away from being right in with a challenge and I think a lot of managers will see that, Imagine the current squad (bar Milner) with Flamini, Ireland and Huntelaar (or similar) we'd be a very good side...
friedel
young
dunne
cuellar
warnock
flamini
petrov
Ireland
Gabby
Huntelaar
Young
and a strong bench with people like Downing, Collins, Carew, NRC and a mix of very promising kids.
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Randy will be in the UK tomorrow. Things should be clearer then.
Do you reckon he's popped back home to pick up Bob Beamon or whatever his name is over the last day or so?
We should jump at the chance to appoint Bob Beamon - 8)
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maradona........
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Where's the Domenech option?
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Where's the Domenech option?
Love it.
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All these names are making me feel even more depressed. I know O neil had some very strange ways. But when he came I was fearing relegation and then while he was here we were disappointed with finishing 6th and being conned out of a League cup final! I for one will miss O neil!
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SSN have just read out an email demanding that Phil Brown is appointed the new manager.
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Can we have the Paul Lambert option just for me please
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SSN have just read out an email demanding that Phil Brown is appointed the new manager.
That was the first name by bluenose chum sent me. Made me chuckle!
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Is that signed 'The Big Sam - via twitter' by any chance?
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I'd like to see the odds on McLeish shortening, that would get the bastards worried.
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Randy will be in the UK tomorrow. Things should be clearer then.
Do you reckon he's popped back home to pick up Bob Beamon or whatever his name is over the last day or so?
We should jump at the chance to appoint Bob Beamon - 8)
That would really require a big leap of faith.
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Klinsman for me-tap into the young german market as the players there are not madly overpaid and generally speak english
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Is that signed 'The Big Sam - via twitter' by any chance?
"I told Randy: I don't care if you've sold Ashley to Spurs but if I can't keep my Salifou then you can't keep me."
and
"Now I'm going to have to break the news to John Robertson and hope he doesn't beat 7 shades of poo out of me."
http://twitter.com/martoneill
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Where's the Domenech option?
He's achieved more in his career than Klinnsman!
Just looking at the others options is so depressing!
Little chance of him coming but would like Pelligrini who did a good job at Villareal on little or no cash and did ok at Real. Problem is I suspect it would be a lot harder to persuade all those unknown Latin American gems to ply their trade in B'ham in the winter than on the Costa Blanca.
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Dunno if its already been said on the thread (and I ain't gonna read back through all of it) but if Randy Lerner was serious about the whole Proud History, Bright Future thing then he must appoint Martin Jol or someone of his ilk.
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Bob Bradley will be new manager but he can go kiss my Ass! one lucky draw against a poor team does not make you worthy of the mighty Villa!!! please please let Jol or Klinsman be appointed!
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Manuel Pelligrini could be a possible manager as he is out of work since losing Real Madrid job unfairly. I would love to see more South American players :)
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File Bradley, Klinsmann & Domenech under 'No Fcuking Way'. They're all bobbins.
Martin Jol is the man we want. Well, I want anyway.
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Give the job to Tim Lovejoy, he'd be great.
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If it's entertainment we're after, we could do worse than Bielsa.
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I really do think we're stuffed. The jobless manager list is so depressing. The appointment we make will be unambitious and desperate .6th will become 10th will become 17th.
I hope Randy pays the required and makes an appointment that fills all of us with just a little hope for the future.
How the fuck are we stuffed? The season hasn't even started and some people are ready to slash their wrists. Obviously the timing is dreadful but the club isn't folding is it? We can hire a new manager, and this squad as it is, is good enough for a top 6 finish. We need to give Randy the time to hire the right person. Some people are talking like it's 2005/06 again. Get a grip. We are in so much a better position and while there will be some disruption, it doesn't mean a new manager, hopefully a reputable and inspired choice can't keep us going along the path of progress again.
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Is that signed 'The Big Sam - via twitter' by any chance?
"I told Randy: I don't care if you've sold Ashley to Spurs but if I can't keep my Salifou then you can't keep me."
and
"Now I'm going to have to break the news to John Robertson and hope he doesn't beat 7 shades of poo out of me."
http://twitter.com/martoneill
I liked the one last week too:
"I'm starting to think Steve Sidwell is a figment of my imagination."
Complete with a perplexed MON staring straight back at you. Great picture.
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Why would Jol swap Ajax for us? Why would he achieve any more here than he dod at Spurs for which he was sacked?
The sad truth is that there are no outstanding candidates. Pelligrini might be worth a whirl, but would be a big risk and would upset the English ethos which MOn has rightly, and carefully, cultivated.
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I want Bilic. Jol is no better than MON IMO. Bilic has that aura of brilliance about him.
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I want Bilic. Jol is no better than MON IMO. Bilic has that aura of brilliance about him.
So why have his Croatia team been so distinctly average despite having some excellent players?
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Unfortunately the big forum move seems to have wiped the rather wonderful critique of the list of managers that John Blackwell suggested.
If anyone could find it again then it would certainly provide this thread with a bit of enlightenment.
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Is that signed 'The Big Sam - via twitter' by any chance?
"I told Randy: I don't care if you've sold Ashley to Spurs but if I can't keep my Salifou then you can't keep me."
and
"Now I'm going to have to break the news to John Robertson and hope he doesn't beat 7 shades of poo out of me."
http://twitter.com/martoneill
I liked the one last week too:
"I'm starting to think Steve Sidwell is a figment of my imagination."
Complete with a perplexed MON staring straight back at you. Great picture.
Jesus, there's a whole community of pretend managers and pretend players that talk to one another on there!
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I want Bilic. Jol is no better than MON IMO. Bilic has that aura of brilliance about him.
MON had an aura about him too.
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What has Bilic done? he has only managed Croatia hasnt he?
I think Jol could be great with us, he got spurs closer than Martin got us to fourth.
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Unfortunately the big forum move seems to have wiped the rather wonderful critique of the list of managers that John Blackwell suggested.
If anyone could find it again then it would certainly provide this thread with a bit of enlightenment.
Wasn't it Morrissey2010 who posted that?
A few months back?
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Unfortunately the big forum move seems to have wiped the rather wonderful critique of the list of managers that John Blackwell suggested.
If anyone could find it again then it would certainly provide this thread with a bit of enlightenment.
Wasn't it Morrissey2010 who posted that?
A few months back?
I think it was him, but it was posted years ago.
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paul merson
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Please no!!!
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I've added a poll for most of the people mentioned so far. If anybody wants anybody else adding mention it here or PM a mod.
David Jones.
Still not an inspiring choice, but as good as anyone else in the list. In my opinion.
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If it's entertainment we're after, we could do worse than Bielsa.
If it's entertainment we're after i'd give it to Derren Brown.
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I want Bilic. Jol is no better than MON IMO. Bilic has that aura of brilliance about him.
MON had an aura about him too.
An aura about being obssessed with playing centre-backs and central midfielders at right-back?
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Why would Jol swap Ajax for us? Why would he achieve any more here than he dod at Spurs for which he was sacked?
The sad truth is that there are no outstanding candidates. Pelligrini might be worth a whirl, but would be a big risk and would upset the English ethos which MOn has rightly, and carefully, cultivated.
Jol was certainly giving serious consideration to join Fulham-We could well be that little bit more of an attractive proposition that may tip the scales.
You forget that Jol also assembled that excellent Hamburg side a couple of years back.
I think we are crying out for someone like Jol who has the ability to utilise funds by signing from a much broader spectrum than MON's cautios (& not very successful) "buy British" approach.
Would have ideally liked Mark Hughes,with the added bonus that he could very likely attract some of Man City's fringe players but given the list available,its Jol all day long for me.
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I can't see any manager who is currently employed leaving their club this close to the season unless Villa is a real step up. The trouble is we need a big name otherwise we could have a Graham turner situation. Moyes would have good grip of the club within days but Everton are in the same second tier league as us in the Prem, so whats in it for Him?
So its a international manager or a unemployed one I'm afraid.
Martin has spent the money on overpriced English players so I would like to see a manager who knows the international market for players and has proven managerial quality........Hiddink can't see it.........Jol...maybe......bilic.....maybe who else is there come on someone mention a man to inspire us and lead us to the promised land of 4th!
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Sean O Driscoll was 20/1 with betfred...Why? Cos he's done a great job at Doncaster and it just so happens that me and the mrs are very close friends with his daughter...I reckon I could get a game...
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The Telegraph says we are thinking of making a formal approach for Mark Hughes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/astonvilla/7935765/Aston-Villa-spark-tug-of-war-for-Mark-Hughes-as-Martin-ONeill-quits-on-eve-of-new-season.html
He'll be the new Unsworth.
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AOB SOG
Any one but Sven or Glenn
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In Bradley's favour, he proved during the World Cup that he's very good at identifying what's going wrong on the pitch and fixing it quickly. The USA came from behind in every match (except Algeria), and were noticeably better in the second half of every game I watched them play.
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Jol was certainly giving serious consideration to join Fulham-We could well be that little bit more of an attractive proposition that may tip the scales.
But he didn't. And it was London.
You forget that Jol also assembled that excellent Hamburg side a couple of years back.
No I don't. i think he is a good manager. I simply do not think there is any evidence that he is either an upgrade on MON, or that he is the best of the contenders ( or that he is likely to come).
I think we are crying out for someone like Jol who has the ability to utilise funds by signing from a much broader spectrum than MON's cautious (& not very successful) "buy British" approach.
The deal at the heart of this affair involves a Club record sale from which we are likley to make a 100% profit.That is hardly evidence of either a cautious approach, or that it has been not very successful.Previous record fee? Gareth Barry,another British player. who would you rather have at the club, james Milner, or Stilyan Petrov?
Would have ideally liked Mark Hughes,with the added bonus that he could very likely attract some of Man City's fringe players but given the list available,its Jol all day long for me.
I agree about Hughes, but you have not presented a case for Jol as the outstanding candidate.
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If we do go after Hughes, could we get him to change his mind and buy Sidwell for Fulham first?
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The Telegraph says we are thinking of making a formal approach for Mark Hughes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/astonvilla/7935765/Aston-Villa-spark-tug-of-war-for-Mark-Hughes-as-Martin-ONeill-quits-on-eve-of-new-season.html
He'll be the new Unsworth.
From that article:
"In addition, he is understood to have been told in no uncertain terms that owner Randy Lerner was not going to continue sustaining the losses he has endured since he acquired Villa in 2006. Since then the American has underwritten Villa to the tune of £179 million with the club making losses of £43.7 million last year.
Most damagingly, the club's wage bill has risen by 42 per cent to £71 million (£11 million more than Tottenham and £21 million more than Everton) giving an alarming wages-to-turnover figure of 85 per cent – with the likes of Richard Dunne believed to be earning £70,000 a week. "
Seems to me that whoever comes in will operating under very different conditions.
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If we do go after Hughes, could we get him to change his mind and buy Sidwell for Fulham first?
Excellent thinking and perhaps exchanging Heskey for absolutely anything in the Fulham club shop.
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The Telegraph says we are thinking of making a formal approach for Mark Hughes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/astonvilla/7935765/Aston-Villa-spark-tug-of-war-for-Mark-Hughes-as-Martin-ONeill-quits-on-eve-of-new-season.html
He'll be the new Unsworth.
From that article:
"In addition, he is understood to have been told in no uncertain terms that owner Randy Lerner was not going to continue sustaining the losses he has endured since he acquired Villa in 2006. Since then the American has underwritten Villa to the tune of £179 million with the club making losses of £43.7 million last year.
Most damagingly, the club's wage bill has risen by 42 per cent to £71 million (£11 million more than Tottenham and £21 million more than Everton) giving an alarming wages-to-turnover figure of 85 per cent – with the likes of Richard Dunne believed to be earning £70,000 a week. "
Seems to me that whoever comes in will operating under very different conditions.
If that is the case then surely the different circumstances are the result of the activities of the previous incumbent.
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Well Chris, do we blame O'Neill for making the expensive mistakes, or Lerner for letting him? Bit of both?
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I can't help but think that we sometimes underestimate ourselves. Outside of the Sky 4 & Man City, we have to be one of the most attractive clubs in this country and no one is shifting Fergie or Wenger in a hurry either so these jobs don't come along very often. I am pretty sure that a lot of more than decent managers would jump at the chance to come here.
As someone said, if Jol was interested in Fulham, I would hope he is digging his passport out....
Given the amount of texts I have had tonight (ha ha, Young, Milner & all your players are off, no money, etc etc) I truly hope it's a decent, modern thinking tactical genius of a manager !!
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It's very difficult to take seriously anyone who thinks Mark Hughes would've been a good choice.
For me the 1 silver lining of MoN leaving so close to the start of the season is that at least Hughes already has a job so it's a very outside chance we'll get him.
He had 1 good season with Blackburn when Santa Cruz was immense (but even then never achieved anything spectacular) and then made a very expensive man city squad look like a bunch of cloggers for a few months before the sheikhs realised he was useless and got rid.
I don't see Jol as the outstanding candidate either, but he'd be a good choice from the 2nd tier, on a similar level to MoN but might just do that something different with the squad to push us on.
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The Telegraph says we are thinking of making a formal approach for Mark Hughes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/astonvilla/7935765/Aston-Villa-spark-tug-of-war-for-Mark-Hughes-as-Martin-ONeill-quits-on-eve-of-new-season.html
He'll be the new Unsworth.
From that article:
"In addition, he is understood to have been told in no uncertain terms that owner Randy Lerner was not going to continue sustaining the losses he has endured since he acquired Villa in 2006. Since then the American has underwritten Villa to the tune of £179 million with the club making losses of £43.7 million last year.
Most damagingly, the club's wage bill has risen by 42 per cent to £71 million (£11 million more than Tottenham and £21 million more than Everton) giving an alarming wages-to-turnover figure of 85 per cent – with the likes of Richard Dunne believed to be earning £70,000 a week. "
Seems to me that whoever comes in will operating under very different conditions.
But with a talented squad who, I believe, would benefit from a different tactical approach which a new manager will, hopefully, provide.
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I can't help but think that we sometimes underestimate ourselves. Outside of the Sky 4 & Man City, we have to be one of the most attractive clubs in this country and no one is shifting Fergie or Wenger in a hurry either so these jobs don't come along very often. I am pretty sure that a lot of more than decent managers would jump at the chance to come here.
Here here. Crap timing granted but surely we're better tham Curbishley, Erikkson, Reid (!!) et al.
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Just for the squirm...
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Its a very good point and as you say, has to be a bit of both. Who's agreeing the wages? MON? Randy? Both ?
I am staggered at those wage stats if they are correct. It didn't seem that long ago that the general concencus here was that we would have to start paying top money to attract top players. Well seems we are paying top money alright...but to the right people? Evidentally not.
Well Chris, do we blame O'Neill for making the expensive mistakes, or Lerner for letting him? Bit of both?
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Jol was certainly giving serious consideration to join Fulham-We could well be that little bit more of an attractive proposition that may tip the scales.
But he didn't. And it was London.
You forget that Jol also assembled that excellent Hamburg side a couple of years back.
No I don't. i think he is a good manager. I simply do not think there is any evidence that he is either an upgrade on MON, or that he is the best of the contenders ( or that he is likely to come).
I think we are crying out for someone like Jol who has the ability to utilise funds by signing from a much broader spectrum than MON's cautious (& not very successful) "buy British" approach.
The deal at the heart of this affair involves a Club record sale from which we are likley to make a 100% profit.That is hardly evidence of either a cautious approach, or that it has been not very successful.Previous record fee? Gareth Barry,another British player. who would you rather have at the club, james Milner, or Stilyan Petrov?
Would have ideally liked Mark Hughes,with the added bonus that he could very likely attract some of Man City's fringe players but given the list available,its Jol all day long for me.
I agree about Hughes, but you have not presented a case for Jol as the outstanding candidate.
I have not tried to present a case for an outstanding candidate-he is the best of a very bad bunch although I'm not sure why you seem to think that Fulham being based in London is an added attraction?
If you are trying to suggest that MON was anything but cautious (something he openly admits himself) then you must have been walking around with a blindfold on for the past 4 years.
The heart of this affair is the fact that MON has spent so much money on dross that up to now look like they can't be given away-Their weekly wage is frightening.
You asked the question if Jol could do any more for us than he did at Spurs-He got them to 5th,two seasons running which is more than MON has done for us-I think most Villa fans would settle for 5th at this moment in time.
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I can't help but think that we sometimes underestimate ourselves. Outside of the Sky 4 & Man City, we have to be one of the most attractive clubs in this country and no one is shifting Fergie or Wenger in a hurry either so these jobs don't come along very often. I am pretty sure that a lot of more than decent managers would jump at the chance to come here.
Here here. Crap timing granted but surely we're better tham Curbishley, Erikkson, Reid (!!) et al.
For the last four years, we've been telling ourselves - quite rightly - that the club had improved out of all recognition. Until today, the one thing we were pretty much entirely united on on this forum was that we had the best owner in the league.
So how can anyone possibly think that we'll be poking around the Curbishleys of this world?
Randy isn't stupid. He might (might) have called time on the spending, full stop. He might have called time on MON doing the spending. We don't know yet.
However, he's invested an enormous amount of money in the club thus far and whilst that is a good reason why he might want to slow things down money-wise, it is also a very good reason why he will make sure he gets the best manager he possibly can for the club right now.
That 179 million pounds isn't money flushed down the drain. he's appointing someone now who will protect and get the most out of his investment.
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Well Chris, do we blame O'Neill for making the expensive mistakes, or Lerner for letting him? Bit of both?
I don't know. I do think that the changed economic climate has made it more difficult to sell players that ordinarily we would probably have been able to move on.,Should Randy, as the businessman, have foreseen that? If those players had been sold in January or earlier in the window would it have been different? Do the players carry some responsibility for failing to live up to their reputations or did we just buy the wrong ones? Could MON have got more out of them. I genuinely don't feel able to give an answer at the moment.
Whatever the reason if Randy is cutting back then the new man is going to struggle to match MON's league placings.
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Martin Laursen impressed me on Five Live tonight. I'd prefer to see him given a shot than some retread has been type
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I want Bilic. He's got that streak of arrogance about him and he's cool as fuck. I also think he'd be very much seen as 'ours' despite his West Ham links.
Jol would be like DOL where he'd just be asked about his old club again and again...
Jol also seems like he's willing to move about a bit, whereas Bilic has shown with Croatia he's in it for the long haul.
There's also the wages thing, IIRC Billic was getting peanuts in comparison to McLaren when he put us out of Euro qualifying, wasn't he?
He could be our Mourinho.
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It's very difficult to take seriously anyone who thinks Mark Hughes would've been a good choice.
For me the 1 silver lining of MoN leaving so close to the start of the season is that at least Hughes already has a job so it's a very outside chance we'll get him.
He had 1 good season with Blackburn when Santa Cruz was immense (but even then never achieved anything spectacular) and then made a very expensive man city squad look like a bunch of cloggers for a few months before the sheikhs realised he was useless and got rid.
I don't see Jol as the outstanding candidate either, but he'd be a good choice from the 2nd tier, on a similar level to MoN but might just do that something different with the squad to push us on.
For me,it's hard to take anyone seriously who think the sheiks opinions are worthy of any credibilty.
Hughes had 3 good seasons with Blackburn & was on course to taking Man City to their highest ever league placing (beating the previous highest place that he had achived the season before)
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Jol didn't join Fulham has he had a clause in his contract allowing to move to a Premier league club for a low fee ,but it expired and Fulham wouldn't pay what was asked by Ajax ,apparantly £8.6mil
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I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe it's just the money that needs to be utilised better. I am only going on what's been rumoured re wages but signing Harewood, Shorey, Sidwell, Luke Young, NRC, Heskey etc etc on those rumoured wages plus fees and then not using the players has made the board rethink who is in charge of the cheque book.
Randy may well have sanctioned the deals and let MON lead the way but after a few years of watching, learning, being advised etc he may have thought hang on a mo'....they were his targets and he's not using them?
Just speculating of course....
Well Chris, do we blame O'Neill for making the expensive mistakes, or Lerner for letting him? Bit of both?
I don't know. I do think that the changed economic climate has made it more difficult to sell players that ordinarily we would probably have been able to move on.,Should Randy, as the businessman, have foreseen that? If those players had been sold in January or earlier in the window would it have been different? Do the players carry some responsibility for failing to live up to their reputations or did we just buy the wrong ones? Could MON have got more out of them. I genuinely don't feel able to give an answer at the moment.
Whatever the reason if Randy is cutting back then the new man is going to struggle to match MON's league placings.
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Martin Laursen impressed me on Five Live tonight. I'd prefer to see him given a shot than some retread has been type
Me too. There is no obvious choice, and the bloated claims for Jol and Bilic, amaze me. Frank Rijkaard may also be one to look at. A distinguished playing and managerial career, one year left on his contract, and persuading a Dutchman to move from Turkey to England is not a big call.
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Dirty spitting bastard.
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It's very difficult to take seriously anyone who thinks Mark Hughes would've been a good choice.
Hughes had one of the most distinguished playing careers of his generation with invaluable experience abroad at Barca, and Bayern.He did a decent job at Wales, Blackburn and Man City.
It is difficult to take seriously anyone who fails to acknowledge that.
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I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe it's just the money that needs to be utilised better. I am only going on what's been rumoured re wages but signing Harewood, Shorey, Sidwell, Luke Young, NRC, Heskey etc etc on those rumoured wages plus fees and then not using the players has made the board rethink who is in charge of the cheque book.
Randy may well have sanctioned the deals and let MON lead the way but after a few years of watching, learning, being advised etc he may have thought hang on a mo'....they were his targets and he's not using them?
Just speculating of course....
Well Chris, do we blame O'Neill for making the expensive mistakes, or Lerner for letting him? Bit of both?
I don't know. I do think that the changed economic climate has made it more difficult to sell players that ordinarily we would probably have been able to move on.,Should Randy, as the businessman, have foreseen that? If those players had been sold in January or earlier in the window would it have been different? Do the players carry some responsibility for failing to live up to their reputations or did we just buy the wrong ones? Could MON have got more out of them. I genuinely don't feel able to give an answer at the moment.
Whatever the reason if Randy is cutting back then the new man is going to struggle to match MON's league placings.
Whoever comes in still has to cut the wage bill. Randy and the General have made it very clear that it's a priority. I'm not saying that they can't still take us forward just that I think it is going to be very difficult under those circumstances.
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I want Bilic. He's got that streak of arrogance about him and he's cool as fuck. I also think he'd be very much seen as 'ours' despite his West Ham links.
Jol would be like DOL where he'd just be asked about his old club again and again...
Jol also seems like he's willing to move about a bit, whereas Bilic has shown with Croatia he's in it for the long haul.
There's also the wages thing, IIRC Billic was getting peanuts in comparison to McLaren when he put us out of Euro qualifying, wasn't he?
He could be our Mourinho.
It may not be popular but I agree with you. Most people who know a thing or two reckon he's among the very best young managers in the world. He's tactically astute, philosophically innovative and an excellent man-manager (the Croatian players do love him). Sure, unproven - but I get the feeling that someone's going to take a chance on him and, if it's not us, when they do and he succeeds we're going to be really kicking ourselves, wishing we'd taken that chance.
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Definately...will be a tough job to unload them on those contracted wages. Hardly likely to be top of any wanted lists.
I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe it's just the money that needs to be utilised better. I am only going on what's been rumoured re wages but signing Harewood, Shorey, Sidwell, Luke Young, NRC, Heskey etc etc on those rumoured wages plus fees and then not using the players has made the board rethink who is in charge of the cheque book.
Randy may well have sanctioned the deals and let MON lead the way but after a few years of watching, learning, being advised etc he may have thought hang on a mo'....they were his targets and he's not using them?
Just speculating of course....
Well Chris, do we blame O'Neill for making the expensive mistakes, or Lerner for letting him? Bit of both?
I don't know. I do think that the changed economic climate has made it more difficult to sell players that ordinarily we would probably have been able to move on.,Should Randy, as the businessman, have foreseen that? If those players had been sold in January or earlier in the window would it have been different? Do the players carry some responsibility for failing to live up to their reputations or did we just buy the wrong ones? Could MON have got more out of them. I genuinely don't feel able to give an answer at the moment.
Whatever the reason if Randy is cutting back then the new man is going to struggle to match MON's league placings.
Whoever comes in still has to cut the wage bill. Randy and the General have made it very clear that it's a priority. I'm not saying that they can't still take us forward just that I think it is going to be very difficult under those circumstances.
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It's not just that we can't sell them we also have the same problem as Man City ,the player's are on huge wages and other clubs won't pay it ..just look at Luke Young he was asked to take a pay cut at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and said no.
Then you have the NRC,Carew and Sidwell who can both leave for nothing next season.Davies who if he plays again in the league will get an automatic pay rise and Heskey on 60k a week.No wonder we can't sell them.Also it seems Shorey left on the cheap as well.
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So, not one single person has voted for Curbishley, even as a laugh!
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So, not one single person has voted for Curbishley, even as a laugh!
The thought's too sad to even laugh at.
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So, not one single person has voted for Curbishley, even as a laugh!
I meant to ask, is the vote intended as who we want or who we think it will be?
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It's very difficult to take seriously anyone who thinks Mark Hughes would've been a good choice.
For me the 1 silver lining of MoN leaving so close to the start of the season is that at least Hughes already has a job so it's a very outside chance we'll get him.
He had 1 good season with Blackburn when Santa Cruz was immense (but even then never achieved anything spectacular) and then made a very expensive man city squad look like a bunch of cloggers for a few months before the sheikhs realised he was useless and got rid.
I don't see Jol as the outstanding candidate either, but he'd be a good choice from the 2nd tier, on a similar level to MoN but might just do that something different with the squad to push us on.
For me,it's hard to take anyone seriously who think the sheiks opinions are worthy of any credibilty.
Hughes had 3 good seasons with Blackburn & was on course to taking Man City to their highest ever league placing (beating the previous highest place that he had achived the season before)
They own the club so their opinion is the only important one in that case.
He was on course to taking them to their highest finish having spent 3x the money of any other club in the country. I'm afraid that had to be the minimum expectation. The reality is they were nowhere near the champions league under him and the squad they had should have been.
For Blackburn he did pretty well but they never looked more than midtable with the odd run at europe, and the side he left behind were pretty poor.
Aside from that look at the type of signings he made at Man City (not the ones the owners made for him) people like Barry and Bellamy, i.e. exactly the type of signings MoN has made. He would be a terrible choice because we need a manager to bring something new now, particularly if the money is tight so someone who'd bring something new on the training ground. No one can argue that Hughes is the right person to do that.
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Add Hiddink to the list, then I'll vote for him.
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I have not tried to present a case for an outstanding candidate-he is the best of a very bad bunch although I'm not sure why you seem to think that Fulham being based in London is an added attraction?
If you are trying to suggest that MON was anything but cautious (something he openly admits himself) then you must have been walking around with a blindfold on for the past 4 years.
The heart of this affair is the fact that MON has spent so much money on dross that up to now look like they can't be given away-Their weekly wage is frightening.
You asked the question if Jol could do any more for us than he did at Spurs-He got them to 5th,two seasons running which is more than MON has done for us-I think most Villa fans would settle for 5th at this moment in time.
For foreign managers London IS a big pull, it is simply one of the great International cities of the world.
Over the past four years I have spotted three top six finishes, despite having the seventh highest revenues, that is hardly evidence of caution.
MON has spent a lot of money on a team that has over performed in relation to resources. Yes he has made mistakes, as all managers do, it comes with the territory. And the closer you get to the Top Four, without being in it, the harder it is to secure players who will improve the team. The wage bill is “the price of fish”.
Jol got two 5th place finishes pre Man City’s Arab phase with which we cannot compete, which would leave us 6th – which is where Mon got us.
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It's very difficult to take seriously anyone who thinks Mark Hughes would've been a good choice.
Hughes had one of the most distinguished playing careers of his generation with invaluable experience abroad at Barca, and Bayern.He did a decent job at Wales, Blackburn and Man City.
It is difficult to take seriously anyone who fails to acknowledge that.
You lost me saying he did a decent job for wales.
To simplify the argument, we'd have to pay millions to release him from his contract which is money that needs to be used on the pitch, so the whole debate about him is utterly pointless.
That he plays very similar football to MoN and therefore would do nothing to move us forward becomes abitrary after that.
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this is going to sound crazy, but the wanker with the brolly is making a bit of name for himself on the continent. If he does well at Wolfsburg don't be surprised he gets a decent job back home in the next few years. Too soon to be seriously linked to us though and he wouldn't be popular.
I have no idea who it will be, but we need play a better brand of football at home to get people interested again. Season ticket sales are in the toilet so the club has to drive interest again. Give me someone with some credentials that can see us through until January and then be allowed to rebuild properly. The players we have now are good enough to handle themselves against the majority of the PL.
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Bradley swiftly became one of the bookmakers' favourites for the job at the English Premier League club following Martin O'Neill's resignation from the post on Monday.
Asked about the Villa speculation, Bradley, whose contract with the US Soccer Federation runs out in December, told a news conference ahead of his team's friendly with Brazil, that he would love to work in Europe.
"I have said over and over as well that I am always excited about new and different challenges. Certainly coaching in Europe at some point is something that I would love to do," he said.
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Yikes.
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Of course he'd like the job. But to the back of the queue Bradders.
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So, not one single person has voted for Curbishley, even as a laugh!
I meant to ask, is the vote intended as who we want or who we think it will be?
Erm, the former I suppose.
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Anyone mentioned Bruce yet? He's no worse than some of the names on that list.
Billic? Bradley? Martin fucking Jol? Give Macdonald a go? For crying out loud.
I hope the MON out brigade are happy now. Look, you've got what you wanted.
Yet, we appear to be all at sea all of a sudden. Funny that.
We've just lost the best manager we could ever hope to have.
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According to various journalists, the "MON out brigade" who are "happy now" includes half the first team squad.
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I think we are crying out for someone like Jol who has the ability to utilise funds by signing from a much broader spectrum than MON's cautious (& not very successful) "buy British" approach.
The deal at the heart of this affair involves a Club record sale from which we are likley to make a 100% profit.That is hardly evidence of either a cautious approach, or that it has been not very successful.Previous record fee? Gareth Barry,another British player. who would you rather have at the club, james Milner, or Stilyan Petrov?
I'm not saying that Jol has all the solutions for any deficiencies that MON might have had in the transfer market, but I'm not sure I understand your point?
MON bought Milner, but he didn't buy Barry, so can't claim complete credit for this piece of business. The only club that has been willing to pay such inflated fees for these players is Man City, and they certainly aren't only buying English players. Using Jol as an example, he bought Berbatov for Spurs who was subsequently sold to Man U for a decent profit. Also, to put Milner into the context of a 'strategy', MON also bought other English players such as Sidwell, Shorey, Reo-Coker, and Davies. He has also bought players who are towards the end of their careers, like Dunne and Petrov (both non-British), who we willl obviously not sell at a profit but fulfill a role for the team.
The only other English player that MON has signed who is anywhere near as valuable as Barry/ Milner is Ash. Therefore isn't the point in terms of good business practice to buy good young players regardless of nationality? Is your point about good business practice or xenophobia? Ultimately I'd rather have someone at the club who wants to play for Aston Villa, rather than someone who doesn't, but just happens to have been born in Leeds or Sussex.
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We've just lost the best manager we could ever hope to have.
I don't buy that at all and if we're at sea, then its because O'Neill has left us in the lurch.
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We've just lost the best manager we could ever hope to have.
I don't buy that at all and if we're at sea, then its because O'Neill has left us in the lurch.
That's the thing.
He's fucked off five days before the start of the new season. Regardless of what has gone on behind the scenes, no ifs and no buts, he's left us gigantically in the lurch.
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You lost me saying he did a decent job for wales.To simplify the argument, we'd have to pay millions to release him from his contract which is money that needs to be used on the pitch, so the whole debate about him is utterly pointless.That he plays very similar football to MoN and therefore would do nothing to move us forward becomes abitrary after that.
How much better should he have done in wales?
I am not advocating that we should try and snatch him from Fulham, I am saying that IF he had been available he would have been a decent bet.
I am unconvinced that ANY manager will improve on MONs record with us.
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So, not one single person has voted for Curbishley, even as a laugh!
That would be me and avfc done and dusted if this happened!
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Lots of idea's floating around by tighting of budgets and falling out's with Lerner but with this rumour of Friedel wanting out is it maybe a case that after Barry,Milner and now Friedel MON is just pissed off with players he was trying to build a team with upping and leaving when more cash is offered ??
Perhaps he is just disheartened with football in general ?
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You lost me saying he did a decent job for wales.To simplify the argument, we'd have to pay millions to release him from his contract which is money that needs to be used on the pitch, so the whole debate about him is utterly pointless.That he plays very similar football to MoN and therefore would do nothing to move us forward becomes abitrary after that.
How much better should he have done in wales?
I am not advocating that we should try and snatch him from Fulham, I am saying that IF he had been available he would have been a decent bet.
I am unconvinced that ANY manager will improve on MONs record with us.
Maybe, but they might be able to match it, and perhaps with more entertaining football.
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Lots of idea's floating around by tighting of budgets and falling out's with Lerner but with this rumour of Friedel wanting out is it maybe a case that after Barry,Milner and now Friedel MON is just pissed off with players he was trying to build a team with upping and leaving when more cash is offered ??
Perhaps he is just disheartened with football in general ?
The story earlier was that Randy had agreed to sell Friedel against MON's wishes as he was 38 not that he wanted to leave.
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I'm not saying that Jol has all the solutions for any deficiencies that MON might have had in the transfer market, but I'm not sure I understand your point?
MON bought Milner, but he didn't buy Barry, so can't claim complete credit for this piece of business. The only club that has been willing to pay such inflated fees for these players is Man City, and they certainly aren't only buying English players. Using Jol as an example, he bought Berbatov for Spurs who was subsequently sold to Man U for a decent profit. Also, to put Milner into the context of a 'strategy', MON also bought other English players such as Sidwell, Shorey, Reo-Coker, and Davies. He has also bought players who are towards the end of their careers, like Dunne and Petrov (both non-British), who we willl obviously not sell at a profit but fulfill a role for the team.
The only other English player that MON has signed who is anywhere near as valuable as Barry/ Milner is Ash. Therefore isn't the point in terms of good business practice to buy good young players regardless of nationality? Is your point about good business practice or xenophobia? Ultimately I'd rather have someone at the club who wants to play for Aston Villa, rather than someone who doesn't, but just happens to have been born in Leeds or Sussex.
My point was simply that I do not think that MON’s “buy British” policy has been “not very successful”.
I don’t think that buying good young players regardless of nationality makes good business sense.
Factually, Scandinavian and Dutch players have a greater success record playing for British Clubs than Hispanic and Latin ones. That has nothing to do with xenophobia, it has everything to do with culture, history...............and weather.
When Clubs try to attract players they need an unique selling point. We don’t pay the biggest wages, we can’t offer CL football, we don’t play in front of the biggest crowds, we don’t offer the bright lights of London, nor is Birmingham as cosmopolitan to the International Footballer as London. But what MON had right was to say that at Villa, English talent will get a chance, and it has.
That does not mean that we should not sign foreign players. It does mean that we need to be tuned to why players will come. Frankly, for foreign players you can go to London, play in front of 60,000 every week and earn more than you would at Villa, and not win anything – at Arsenal. Top foreign players do not want to come here and not play in the CL, because their International prospects will be adversely affected.
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We've just lost the best manager we could ever hope to have.
I don't buy that at all and if we're at sea, then its because O'Neill has left us in the lurch.
Quite correct he has. But who from that list is going to take the team forward?
If this was another club and you had that list + MON, who do you think would be very near the top in the vote count?
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We've just lost the best manager we could ever hope to have.
I don't buy that at all and if we're at sea, then its because O'Neill has left us in the lurch.
Quite correct he has. But who from that list is going to take the team forward?
If this was another club and you had that list + MON, who do you think would be very near the top in the vote count?
That's an interesting point, but at the end of the day, MON resigned. He didn't get sacked, he walked, his choice. It's not like we had any choice in the matter.
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Lots of idea's floating around by tighting of budgets and falling out's with Lerner but with this rumour of Friedel wanting out is it maybe a case that after Barry,Milner and now Friedel MON is just pissed off with players he was trying to build a team with upping and leaving when more cash is offered ??
Perhaps he is just disheartened with football in general ?
The story earlier was that Randy had agreed to sell Friedel against MON's wishes as he was 38 not that he wanted to leave.
I've been trying to work the Friedel story out and it's baffling. Are the club really that bad off for cash that they would sacrifice a very good keeper for the few million his transfer may bring in? At 38 and not long left on his deal it seems like a pointless exercise that could only weaken the club.
But then maybe it was because the so-called 'Dispensable Six' were not attracting any offers that Lerner and Faulkner had started looking at saleable assets at the club that would draw bids.
Or maybe it was because they wanted O'Neill out that they picked a player who would immediately be picked up if offered around and this forced the manager's hand...
It will all out eventually. I just don't know. This is the wrong thread for it but I saw the little exchange and thought I'd share my thoughts.
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Why do small heath fans take great pride and pleasure thinking that we ACTUALLY want McLeish as our new manager? They seem to think we're interested in him as if he's fucking Alex Ferguson and that he's a top dollar manager. Hey, congrats on finishing in your best position in the top tier of English football since pre-historic days, but didn't that ginge also relegate you too?
so yeah, we're not interested in your manager (we've got bigger and better managers on our list) so don't act like we are, stop debating whether or not he would leave, again, we don't want him; you're only doing this because you want to look like you've got a really good manager as if he's some sort of prized possession so you're stirring shit to make yourselves look really big and that your manager is attracted by top teams just to give you your extra 15 minutes of fame.
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Who gives a shit what SHA fans think?
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Why do small heath fans take great pride and pleasure thinking that we ACTUALLY want McLeish as our new manager? They seem to think we're interested in him as if he's fucking Alex Ferguson and that he's a top dollar manager. Hey, congrats on finishing in your best position in the top tier of English football since pre-historic days, but didn't that ginge also relegate you too?
so yeah, we're not interested in your manager (we've got bigger and better managers on our list) so don't act like we are, stop debating whether or not he would leave, again, we don't want him; you're only doing this because you want to look like you've got a really good manager as if he's some sort of prized possession so you're stirring shit to make yourselves look really big and that your manager is attracted by top teams just to give you your extra 15 minutes of fame.
As much as I want to agree with you, McLeish is a very good manager so I can't properly put my weight behind your argument.
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Re:- McLeish
I say getting Small Heath to their highest finish in 50 years without much to spend is a pretty good achievement. Plus he did well with Hibs, Rangers and Scotland. I wouldn't say he should get the job, but he deserves to be on the list.
It is much more fun to patronise Blosers and say of course if we did want him we could obviously take him as we are ASTON VILLA, but we probably don't want him anyway.
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Really surprised by the vote above, 0% for Pearce? I thought he did well with the England U21.
Reading Roy Keanes book, he will trophies as a manager.
Still got to be Jol of everyone mentioned so far.
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Re:- McLeish
I say getting Small Heath to their highest finish in 50 years without much to spend is a pretty good achievement. Plus he did well with Hibs, Rangers and Scotland. I wouldn't say he should get the job, but he deserves to be on the list.
It is much more fun to patronise Blosers and say of course if we did want him we could obviously take him as we are ASTON VILLA, but we probably don't want him anyway.
Wouldn't it be great to take him from them? It would sum up their status as forever being in our shadow that they get a decent manager only for him to move to us.
Not that I particularly want him.
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Yes, but there have always been teams that come out of nowhere and do really well (by their standards) and have a great season. Reading, Ipswich, Bolton, Charlton, West Ham etc... What they've done is nothing special outside their bubble.
RE: Mcleish, last time I checked, sha haven't got to a final under Mcleish and haven't finished in European positions in 3 consecutive seasons. Oh well, I'll still be waiting for sha to spend £40 million on players and then conquer Europe.
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Who are the 6 clowns who voted for O'Leary up at the top?
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Probably Al-Ahli fans desperate to get rid of him.
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thats a pretty rough list.
The worst would have to be Bradley, you might aswell appoint fucking chelmsley towns coach if your going to steep to that standard.
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Managing at the World Cup is hardly Chembo Town. He would at least be an interesting appointment who may or may not be a success. Would rather have him than someone we know will be shit like Curbishley or Mowbray.
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From the list would take Moyes but do not believe for one minute he would leave Everton for Villa.
Next would be Jol as he has experience of the PL and has gained quite a bit more experience since leaving Spurs. He made mistakes there but I think is experience since has made him a better manager.
There is nobody else in English football that I would want that is gettable. Young up and coming English managers would be under too much pressure to succeed.
If not Jol, another foreign manager, preferably young(ish).
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Who currently employed by the club is qualified to select a new manager?
Chris, you've asked this a couple of times across the two threads (and I'm sorry if a response has been put up) but, like Abramovitch at Chelsea, if you invest this kind of money in a business, then you learn this business inside out. You learn the people and their characters. He'd have known since the day he appointed MoN that, at some stage in the future that he'd have to replace him. He has the knowledge of people like Tony McAndrews and Gordan Cowans who've been the club for many years, he'll have contacts all over the world and certainly won't be sat in his office frantically picking names out of the latest eition of 4-4-2 magazine.
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Managing at the World Cup is hardly Chembo Town. He would at least be an interesting appointment who may or may not be a success. Would rather have him than someone we know will be shit like Curbishley or Mowbray.
Many fans don't want him because he's American, having watched him he has that 'MON habit' of forgetting to use his third sub. Guardian is linking Bruce Arena too lol
Hey, Alexi is American guys toss his name out there too!!
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I think there will be enough transfer money made availeable to a new manager, Lerner just didn't want to see MON
spending it on another Heskey.
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I reckon it'll be a 1 season contract for an inter-rimmer who'll steady the ship before we make a move for the right man.
Unless we can snap up someone like Riikard, we're destined for an oldboy Andy Townsend or Stan Stauntion.
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Imagine Curbishley? That would be suicidal.
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Would have liked Laurent Blanc. How has Didier Deschamps been doing? Can't see why on earth Moyes or Advocaat would come.
I'm sure the Mirror stories are exaggerated, but also have a kernel of truth in things like the outdated training approach and lack of ball work. My priorities are:
- proven record in league football
- tactically astute and plays passing football
- will need to be able to manage without significant new funds
Hodgson would have been perfect, as would Blanc. I'd have been less anti-Hughes than many. Martin Jol still my favourite from the likely lads, but Ajax have already resisted overtures. It's worth taking a little time to get the right man. Bob Bradley seems available in the short term, but would be a massive risk. As long as we don't get SGT back to provide stewardship (sorry Graham)
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Interesting to read that Klinsmann was part of the brains-trust behind the current German set up after their disappointing previous World Cup. That he has the ability to look to youth, look to the future and look at the game at a technical level gives me a bit of wood. I've just seen him as a blond hippy who likes to do dive bombs along the grass.
Him or Jol please.
Although risk often brings reward, I feel that Bradley would be too big a risk and not something that the board would chance at this stage.
Curbishley.....I'll go no further with that. [Homer Simpson shudder]
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No to Bob Bradley.
Above all else the next manager has to have the immediate respect of the players.
A number of candidates have that, with what they've achieved in the game in either a playing or management capacity. And MON would have had that respect. Initially, at least.
But if the conversation ever gets round to "show us your medals" what's Bob Bradley going to say?
I just couldn't see any of our lot taking him seriously.
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But if the conversation ever gets round to "show us your medals" what's Bob Bradley going to say?
Not sure too many of our players are in that position to brag about to be honest.
My concern with Bradley would be his lack of experience. The USA played some good football in the World cup but as Scolari found out out at Chelsea - the Premiership is something totally different.
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What im finding strange is this morning i have the feeling of 'excitement' for the new season.
Maybe its a new era, a manager who uses the world transfer market, isnt one dimensional and doesnt buy half a team to then not play them!? Obviously it all hinges on WHO comes in but one things for sure, none of us should really doubt Lerner yet and see what the boards plan is first before we go off the handle.
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Someone young-ish and continental European please.
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I also think Jol would be the best bet for us if Ajax can be persuaded with hard cash.
Along shot probably, but Glenn Hoddle would tick the boxes in terms of attractive football, tactical nous and knowledge of the European market - hasn't been flavour of the month for some time but he's an intelligent guy and has platyed and managed at the top level.
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I'm in the ABC club.
Anyone But Curbishley.
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Someone young-ish and continental European please.
We're looking for a new manager not an Au Pair !!
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Surely Jol will be chomping at the bit about the possibility of joining us!? Think he would even resign to free up the move!! (Im wishing)
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Along shot probably, but Glenn Hoddle would tick the boxes in terms of attractive football, tactical nous and knowledge of the European market - hasn't been flavour of the month for some time but he's an intelligent guy and has platyed and managed at the top level.
Eileen Drewery would be a better option than Hoddle.
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I would like Martin Jol, as I think that he has the pedigree for where we are at now, but I think somehow we are gonna get Klinsmann
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I also think Jol would be the best bet for us if Ajax can be persuaded with hard cash.
Along shot probably, but Glenn Hoddle would tick the boxes in terms of attractive football, tactical nous and knowledge of the European market - hasn't been flavour of the month for some time but he's an intelligent guy and has platyed and managed at the top level.
No, no and thrice no. His religious views, especially his comments about disabled people make him a definite non-starter for me.
PS - "Platyed" ? What do you know about Hoddle's antics with strange Australian animals ?
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The list is depressing isn't it ?
Why dont we have Moyes and let Bilic go back to Everton.
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Someone young-ish and continental European please.
We're looking for a new manager not an Au Pair !!
sorry! - logged into the wrong forum... :o
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The list is depressing isn't it ?
Why dont we have Moyes and let Bilic go back to Everton.
Because Moyes will be the next Man Utd manager
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Jol or Klinsmann please.
Hasn't Jurgen been linked with us in the past?
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Jol or Klinsmann please.
Hasn't Jurgen been linked with us in the past?
It has to be one of these two imo. I dont understand why Hitzfeld isn't linked when he was linked with Fulham.
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I doubt Jurgen will come. I think he'll be the next USA manager
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When Bradley comes to us?
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Why am I the only one who thinks Bradley would do a good job? It's not like he did terrible with Ze Yanks in the World Cup.
Perhaps I'm not reading into this. But I'd welcome him, TBH.
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Which 7 people voted for O'Leary ?
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We've got a sense of humour at least.
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I think, I hope, that Randy will see this as an opportunity to make a real statement by appointing a top manager.
Despite being very fond of MON (although I'm annoyed he's chosen to walk away with the lousiest timing imaginable) I wont miss the arguments (and fair comments) about lack of tactics, favourites, no subs, shit journeymen signings from the UK only... etc.
I think its time to go in a new direction and whilst I think Bradley is a solid manager he's not what we need. We need a tactician, a leader, a motivator and a cool head.
It doesnt suprise me to hear tales of MON falling out with people and throwing his weight around. That passion was always admirable but also on the boil all the time.
The best case scenario is that we try and pursuade Hiddink to come and Turkey to let him go. But if not, somebody of that ilk. In the meantime I have faith in Kevin Mac. He has the reserves playing good football and he's a proper coach. I dont think Walford and Robertson are that at all.
So, like I say, change can be good and exciting although the timing stinks. I just hope the change is for the better because despite what you may have thought about MON, it could be a whole lot worse.
We just have to trust Randy, and I do.
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This is a time when you begin to realise that the club is very light on the floor when it comes to dealing with these things, and in terms of football knowledge in general.
I do hope Randy doesn't take a punt on Bradley, Jol looks out of the reckoning ( happy at Ajax), so Billic ? Curbishley ?
Jeez, thank you Martin, your timing sucks.
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After thinking about it for a while my favourite from the list would be Moyes but I don't think he'd swap one mid-sized club operating under a tight budget for another.
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I dunno. There's something just wrong about Moyes. Not sure what. Maybe it's the bug-eyes, maybe it's his rubbish accent, maybe it's because Tim Cahill is a complete cock.
No, don't want him at the Villa. We need someone with flair. Not some bug-eyed sweaty.
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I dunno. There's something just wrong about Moyes. Not sure what. Maybe it's the bug-eyes, maybe it's his rubbish accent, maybe it's because Tim Cahill is a complete cock.
No, don't want him at the Villa. We need someone with flair. Not some bug-eyed sweaty.
He wouldn't come anyway Troy, fret not.
No, we're left with a boat load of unemployed Managers I reckon.
Shame ( for me anyway) that Hughes took the Fulham job.
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I dunno. There's something just wrong about Moyes. Not sure what. Maybe it's the bug-eyes, maybe it's his rubbish accent, maybe it's because Tim Cahill is a complete cock.
No, don't want him at the Villa. We need someone with flair. Not some bug-eyed sweaty.
Well reasoned as ever, Troy <wink>
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I've no rational reason at all.
He's just.....wrong.
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Shan't relax till Sven's ruled out.
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
If you believe MON was on a sell to buy policy, then it doesn't compare to Jol. Ajax are well skint and it's what nearly forced Jol to join Fulham. I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
This is the best job in England that Jol could hope for. I think he'd be here in a heartbeat, given the chance.
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I don't care who it is. (I probably will care in a couple of days though). Too gutted.
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Shan't relax till Sven's ruled out.
Sven has never done a bad job.
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Sven has nebver done a bad job.....
Que ?
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
If you believe MON was on a sell to buy policy, then it doesn't compare to Jol. Ajax are well skint and it's what nearly forced Jol to join Fulham. I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
This is the best job in England that Jol could hope for. I think he'd be here in a heartbeat, given the chance.
I hope you are right Lee. I think he'd fit straight into the role and bring something new to the way we play.
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Bradley would be an absolute joke
Imagine trying to attract new players.
"Ah, yes, who's the new manager at Villa these days?"
"Barb Bradley"
"Errr, who?"
"The starey faced one who looks like the nasty drill sergeant from Full Metal jacket ... worked wonders at MLS side Kansas City Kwik Fits"
And if he's actually a very good manager? Then we should forget about him just because his name doesn't really fit?
Regardless of how good he is, now is not the time to appoint someone of his status.
At the start of the summer, he would have had time to bring new ideas and players in, but chucking him in in this situation is suicide, and at the first hint of a problem the media would be all over him like a cheap suit.
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I wouldnt pick any one from that list. Which one of those will get us to 5th?
Can we have O'Neill back?
Question time for Randy if he dosent get this one right. He may well get to realise how fickle football fans can be
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MON has left us in the shit.
He knows it and you know what, I don't thnk he cares.
Martin ( rolling contract / control freak) O'Neill will not be remembered with much affection at VP in years to come.
As for his replaecement .... as I've said - get Allardyce.
Kids - Don't smoke crack.
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I think who the next manager will be will be decided by the question of why Martin left. Can you see a top manager taking the job under the conditions of selling our best players and NOT giving the manager the money for reinforcements?
If that's the circumstances then we might as well just let Macdonald do it for a year.
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Shan't relax till Sven's ruled out.
Sven has never done a bad job.
I agree, I wouldn't be unhappy if we went for Sven. He would atleast get us playing decent football and has a proven track record across Europe.
I'm sure his network across Europe is virtually second to none.
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
If you believe MON was on a sell to buy policy, then it doesn't compare to Jol. Ajax are well skint and it's what nearly forced Jol to join Fulham. I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
This is the best job in England that Jol could hope for. I think he'd be here in a heartbeat, given the chance.
Who would we have to sell to pay the compensation?
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If the rumours of money restrictions are true....
I don't think there's any doubt that there were financial restrictions. But they were placed on MoN.
If you have a wife who's spending massive amounts of money on useless shoes that she'll wear once or twice then discard, you're not likely to fund that little hobby for long.
Doesn't mean you're not going to throw money at the mistress though, does it?
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Martin Laurson. I would happily let him have his first managerial experience at Villa.
Plus: the players would welcome him with open arms.
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Sven has nebver done a bad job.....
Que ?
When has Sven done a bad job?
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Martin Laurson. I would happily let him have his first managerial experience at Villa.
Plus: the players would welcome him with open arms.
No.
It's too hard to manage 'mates'.
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Martin Laurson. I would happily let him have his first managerial experience at Villa.
Plus: the players would welcome him with open arms.
Sorry but way, way too much of a risk for us to take. Have him on the staff yes but top job, no way.
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If the rumours of money restrictions are true....
I don't think there's any doubt that there were financial restrictions. But they were placed on MoN.
If you have a wife who's spending massive amounts of money on useless shoes that she'll wear once or twice then disgard, you're not likely to fund that little hobby for long.
Doesn't mean you're not going to throw money at the mistress though, does it?
There's a huge flaw with that argument. If they didn't want to back him specifically why didn't they fire him a couple of months ago rather than put themselves in this position now? I think it is clear that whover we appoint will be expected to drive down the wage bill.
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When has Sven ever done a bad job you say? You mean apart from England, Mexico and Ivory Coast?
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When has Sven ever done a bad job you say? You mean apart from England, Mexico and Ivory Coast?
Ivory Coast was always going to be difficult in a group with Brazil and Portugal.
He got us to quarter finals with England? That's about fair.
Mexico, I give you that. But who cares about Mexico :)
International football :)
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His England results aren't looking too bad these days.
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If the rumours of money restrictions are true....
I don't think there's any doubt that there were financial restrictions. But they were placed on MoN.
If you have a wife who's spending massive amounts of money on useless shoes that she'll wear once or twice then disgard, you're not likely to fund that little hobby for long.
Doesn't mean you're not going to throw money at the mistress though, does it?
There's a huge flaw with that argument. If they didn't want to back him specifically why didn't they fire him a couple of months ago rather than put themselves in this position now? I think it is clear that whover we appoint will be expected to drive down the wage bill.
We won't know the truth for a long time (if ever) but i suspect that MoN was working under the assumption that he'd have all of the Milner money to spunk on useless numpties from Scotland. Hearing that wasn't going to happen and that he'd be best off accepting Ireland as Milner's replacement may have been enough to send him on his merry way.
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Felix Magath - but if we are looking for a cheap high risk option Sean O'Driscoll, but I have a feeling it will be Bradley.
I've said it before but you just have to trust the owner's judgment and support whoever he chooses. I reserve the right to change that opinion if he appoints Curbishley, Allardyce or Reid.
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I wouldnt pick any one from that list. Which one of those will get us to 5th?
Can we have O'Neill back?
Question time for Randy if he dosent get this one right. He may well get to realise how fickle football fans can be
What he said.
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There is a case for Sven, not least that his international contacts are excellent.He would come with risk, as would virtually every other appointment.He would not be my choice, but we could do a lot worse.
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That's the bottom line here. I know things are different in practice, but on paper at least I can't see anyone of MON's standing who's available and would be prepared to come to us.
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I'd still think there will be a lot of managers interested in this job, however, the timing of it is an absolute pain in the posterior.
We need to act very quickly so that the remaining time in the transfer window can be used by the new man.
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Question time for Randy if he dosent get this one right. He may well get to realise how fickle football fans can be
Yep, he'll have nowhere to hide if it goes wrong now. Hope he can pull a rabbit out of the hat but I'm amazed how unconcerned some people are.
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One things certain, it is a shock for Randy as well.
He's on his way back to sort it out.
I read a post on here last week saying that Villa are such a wll run club, he'd be surprised if Villa hadn't got a contingency plan should MON walk.
I doubt it myself ..... other than doing what we are doing ( McDonald temporarily), the game is so fluid and MON's departure so out of the blue, Randy & Co are working on the list we see above I'd guess.
I do hope Randy doesn't go with anymore 'rolling contract' Managers.
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In a way I'm in favour of the rolling contract.
What's the point in Lerner hiring a manager for 3 years if they turn out to be toss?
Granted, there's always a cloud of uncertainty at the end of each season as to their future, but it gives us the option to chuck out a manager should they be rubbish.
E.g. Let's say Bradley signs a 4 year deal. In the first season he manages a 40% win rate. Not bad. Second season he only manages a 25% win rate. The third and fourth season we'll be stuck with him (unless he walks). With the rolling contract he'll be out that door faster than a northerner to Man City.
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By common consent there is no obvious replacement. So maybe we are going to have to take a chance on someone who could go horribly wrong, or be a surprise success ( Wenger to Arsenal and Moyes to everton were not nailed on success appointments).
Owen Coyle would jump ship again and is a young talent.One tier down O' Driscoll has worked wonders at Donny.Rijkaard has a distinguished playing and managerial background.Pelligrini has a Wenger "Football Professor" repuatation. I mention the above because they are NOT the obvious choices, not because they are. Although Bradley also fits into the "wild card" category I regard the risk factor with him as being greatest of all.
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To all those calling for Jol. Forget it right now. He is not going to walk out on Ajax just before their 2nd match of the season and with a point still to prove after a disappointing campaign last year.
I was no huge MON fan, but the timing is frankly shocking and if there is only one way the club can go from here and that's back to the mediocrity from a few seasons ago. If the rumours of money restrictions are true, then how are we going to attract anyone to take us forward. Whatever way you spin it, the news is just frankly depressing.
If you believe MON was on a sell to buy policy, then it doesn't compare to Jol. Ajax are well skint and it's what nearly forced Jol to join Fulham. I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
This is the best job in England that Jol could hope for. I think he'd be here in a heartbeat, given the chance.
Who would we have to sell to pay the compensation?
We could give them "England legend, Emile Heskey" in exchange.
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But now Heskey's not an international 'legend' he'll only be worth his true value...
...50p and a packet of condoms.
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Whatever happens from here on in, I think it says a lot about MON that he is quite prepared to walk and therefore drop the club in the shit 5 days before the start of the season. Gone down in my estimation as a man
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I think if Jol was approached and Ajax compensated, he'd be here in a shot.
Why? He is Dutch, managing one of the great Dutch teams, in front of 50,000 fans in a magnificent stadium and has a realsitic chance of being able to bring the title back after a seven year wait at aclub which rarely finishes out of the top three. How is it better here, just now?
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I would like Moyes in, he has transformed the Everton team having little money to spend and they play attractive football.
Then again MON hasn't got a club and is looking for a team to manage!!!
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Why? He is Dutch, managing one of the great Dutch teams, in front of 50,000 fans in a magnificent stadium and has a realsitic chance of being able to bring the title back after a seven year wait at aclub which rarely finishes out of the top three. How is it better here, just now?
He wanted to leave them for Fulham a couple of weeks ago.
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Not read through all of this but the people who voted for DOL please go outside and run under a bus - dear oh dear oh dear
Agree with the comments that i would imagine unless MON has something already lined up then i feel he is now finished in the game - totally petulant and selfish act of childishness against the club that gave him a chance back in the game
AS a manager i think he is decent - not great but very decent. As a man i now think he is a total wanker
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What an awful choice of managers chosen through what people see of other managers through the media and just watching from afar. A list has been created on what the media has informed you. The same media constantly tells you that MON is a great manager and has done brilliant at Villa. Why listen to them one minute and not the next?
Ask fans about every one of those managers who have managed a club before and I bet you they're more "as one" in the welcoming of wanting to get rid of them. The only exception would be Moyes, but they're only as split about wanting him or not as people were on here about MON.
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He wanted to leave them for Fulham a couple of weeks ago. (Jol)
But didn't.
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Because Ajax wouldn't let him.
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Fact. No matter who the next manager is without a lot of money to spend we will not get into the top four, thats what the premiership has come to, those with the most money win. You only have to look at how quickly Liverpool dropped when the money ran out to get the message.
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He wanted to leave them for Fulham a couple of weeks ago. (Jol)
But didn't.
yeah but your question was 'why' and otl has replied saying if he even considered leaving for Fulham, he probably wasnt/isnt as happy there as you suggest,
it was a good point, and one which raises questions about whether it would be worth an approach
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Odds for Gareth Southgate 'slashed' to 5/1 by Ladbrokes according to SSN.
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Odds for Gareth Southgate 'slashed' to 5/1 by Ladbrokes according to SSN.
Dear God no
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Odds for Gareth Southgate 'slashed' to 5/1 by Ladbrokes according to SSN.
Please no, please please please NO!
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I reckon Klinsmann till the end of the season and then Randy will re-assess it next Summer.
I also reckon he's a terrible manager, but there's no doubt he'd lift spirits around the place and we don't have much choice at the moment.
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Odds for Gareth Southgate 'slashed' to 5/1 by Ladbrokes according to SSN.
Please no, please please please NO!
"You don't know what you got 'til it's gone..."
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Odds for Gareth Southgate 'slashed' to 5/1 by Ladbrokes according to SSN.
Please no, please please please NO!
"You don't know what you got 'til it's gone..."
Oh, I did! I knew what we had!
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When has Sven done a bad job?
His signings at Man City were bloody awful.
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When has Sven done a bad job?
His signings at Man City were bloody awful.
Can't remember most of them but Petrov & Elano did Ok.
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Joachim loew would be absolutley fantastic..oh well..i can dream cant i ?
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Is it correct that BL and JG had no premier league/top division or European managerial experience when appointed?
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Is it correct that BL and JG had no premier league/top division or European managerial experience when appointed?
Brian had just bought Leicester up. John was one of his assistants. John left to manage Wycombe, and then took over when Brian had had enough.
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Before I make the next suggestion I will add the disclaimer that I'm just throwing ideas in the air....
If Bradley came to Villa, would people be more confident if he came with Klinsmann?
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Out of all the names mentioned I've concluded Bilic is far and away my first choice.
Klinsmann I don't rate as a manager, but on a one year deal I'd be happy enough as he'd raise the spirits round the place.
I'd also make do with Jol, but I don't think he'd be the long term man.
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Before I make the next suggestion I will add the disclaimer that I'm just throwing ideas in the air....
If Bradley came to Villa, would people be more confident if he came with Klinsmann?
No, 2 men with little relevant experience is worse than 1.
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SSN - Sven sources have made it clear he'd be interested.
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Talksport have said that Southgate has ruled himself out of the running and also that MON may replace Hughton at Newcastle!
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I put 10quid on Jol yesterday and im sticking to it. Just hope the general reads all this and uses it as resource value!!
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SSN - Sven sources have made it clear he'd be interested.
Course he would be.
Crikey, what a dire thought, he hasn't even got Nancy wih him these days :P
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Sky saying Sven would like the job - not my 1st choice., but his club record is very good and I wouldn't be unhappy to see him here.
He has a high profile and can attract decent players .
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The bookies will react to any sizeable bets put on at the moment, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Sky saying Sven would like the job - not my 1st choice., but his club record is very good and I wouldn't be unhappy to see him here.
He has a high profile and can attract decent players .
Another NO I think
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Curtis Davies looked well happy on SSN coming into training.
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Curtis Davies looked well happy on SSN coming into training.
Luke Young & NRC will also be happy.
Petrov and Cuellar will be crying.
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Curtis Davies looked well happy on SSN coming into training.
Luke Young & NRC will also be happy.
Petrov and Cuellar will be crying.
Will Cuellar be crying ? I'd have thought he'd be happy that he might get to play at centre-back now.
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Can't see anyone worth his salt wanting to take over seeing there's no money and RL is selling our best players to break even.
We'll probably end up with one of Randy's compatriots which will be a disaster on the Venglos scale.
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I don't want to rush into anything.
If we don't have a manager for a time so be it.
McDonald is perfectly competent to steady the ship and keep it going for a time.
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this Mcdonanld fella seams to come with a high reputation for his coaching skills at the levell he opperates,
so it might not be an emergency operation to fly someone in to quickly
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Curtis Davies looked well happy on SSN coming into training.
Luke Young & NRC will also be happy.
Petrov and Cuellar will be crying.
Will Cuellar be crying ? I'd have thought he'd be happy that he might get to play at centre-back now.
He might not get a game there!
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Can't see anyone worth his salt wanting to take over seeing there's no money and RL is selling our best players to break even.
What a pile of made up shit - how do you know that is the case?
You do not think Randy supported MON to the point where we were questioning who he bought and the wages paid to players not playing never mind the poor bugger whose actual money it is?
You do not think that what MON has done has made him a man of principle or completely shafted us to look after MON - i think i know which one i would choose
IT is a big test for Randy who probably bought the club with his heart - now its time to let him use his head - lets not slag the guy off before he has done that eh
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this Mcdonanld fella seams to come with a high reputation for his coaching skills at the levell he opperates,
so it might not be an emergency operation to fly someone in to quickly
Does anyone know how it works with reserve team coach? Does he hold separate and distinct coaching sessions from the first team or do they all train together?
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this Mcdonanld fella seams to come with a high reputation for his coaching skills at the levell he opperates,
so it might not be an emergency operation to fly someone in to quickly
Does anyone know how it works with reserve team coach? Does he hold separate and distinct coaching sessions from the first team or do they all train together?
I've always wondered that.
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Sven really needs the most enormous budget to make things work. Plus he must be the only manager apart from MON who'd still play 4-4-2.
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You do not think that what MON has done has made him a man of principle or completely shafted us to look after MON - i think i know which one i would choose
But do you really think MON would shaft one of his friend's (Robertson) out of his living too, if it wasn't on principle?
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Curtis Davies looked well happy on SSN coming into training.
Luke Young & NRC will also be happy.
Petrov and Cuellar will be crying.
Will Cuellar be crying ? I'd have thought he'd be happy that he might get to play at centre-back now.
He might not get a game there!
Maybe not, but you'd hope the new man doesn't duck the issue of who to drop, 'cos he's a terrible right-back due to his distribution. Opposing teams were actually letting him have the ball unpressured he was so bad - particularly thinking of Man U in the LC Final.
However, he is a good defender, and personally, I'd play him ahead of Collins alongside Dunne, particularly against nippy forwards. Bolton and Stoke might be different...
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Sven really needs the most enormous budget to make things work. Plus he must be the only manager apart from MON who'd still play 4-4-2.
you are totally obsessed with the formation thing, let it go , sometimes its horses for coarses
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Maradona?
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Who in their right mind has voted for DOL?
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Sky - No contact forSven 'insists' one of his reps. Basically they are reporting on nothing. Go, they are loving this, trying to create news rather than reporting on it. I like the way they use 'insists' like they are trying to hide soething....
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No on Bradley, not good enough tactically in the world cup imo.
Yes on Billic or Jol.
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We know nothing about Bob Bradley, Sparky would turn us into a bunch of thugs (not that i can see fulham releasing him).
martin Jol, he didn't win the dutch league with Ajax, was treated harsh by spurs but again didnt do much.
Bilic like bradley and klinsmann is an unknown quantity. We really don't know what they're like, they dont have the managerial experience.
If you want experience and a name then you're looking to the likes of hiddink and rijkaard and would managers like that be interested in a club like aston villa?
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Ranieri? what's he upto these days? If I could choose, then I'd go with Hiddink everyday of the week, I realise however theere is no chance of him coming.
Given who is 'gettable' I would go with Jol, Rijkard or Sven in no particular order. Please god don't let Curbishly, Bruce and the like anywhere near our club.
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We know nothing about Bob Bradley, Sparky would turn us into a bunch of thugs (not that i can see fulham releasing him).
There you have it, why Mark Hughes would be a terrible choice. Fucking Sparky.
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I have a feeling we will have a disappointing outcome - Curbishley, Sven or Bob....To be fair, Hiddink would go to Man U, Real, Inter or Barca level. and Moyes is probably waiting for one of the Manchester jobs. Zola anyone?
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Yes on Billic or Jol.
Jol's limitations have been discussed. But i accept there is a case. i have seen no case for Bilic, nor can think of one.
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I voted for Jol, but when you see this record....its pretty impressive.
1x european cup final
3 x uefa cup finals - 1 win
1 x cup winers cup
1 x super cup
3 x portuguese league titles
1 x portuguese cup
1 x italian league title
4 x italian cups
2 x world cup quarter finals
1 x european championships quarter final
plus, very well connected.........could SGE do a job ?
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I voted for Jol, but when you see this record....its pretty impressive.
1x european cup final
3 x uefa cup finals - 1 win
1 x cup winers cup
1 x super cup
3 x portuguese league titles
1 x portuguese cup
1 x italian league title
4 x italian cups
2 x world cup quarter finals
1 x european championships quarter final
plus, very well connected.........could SGE do a job ?
999 x legs over.
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I voted for Jol, but when you see this record....its pretty impressive.
1x european cup final
3 x uefa cup finals - 1 win
1 x cup winers cup
1 x super cup
3 x portuguese league titles
1 x portuguese cup
1 x italian league title
4 x italian cups
2 x world cup quarter finals
1 x european championships quarter final
plus, very well connected.........could SGE do a job ?
He tends to win cups primarily. The Dutch and Portughese (sp) leagues are like SPL in terms of competition. At Lazio it took him 4 years and a shedload of money to get there....
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I voted for Jol, but when you see this record....its pretty impressive.
1x european cup final
3 x uefa cup finals - 1 win
1 x cup winers cup
1 x super cup
3 x portuguese league titles
1 x portuguese cup
1 x italian league title
4 x italian cups
2 x world cup quarter finals
1 x european championships quarter final
plus, very well connected.........could SGE do a job ?
How many of the club achievements were this century ?
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I voted for Jol, but when you see this record....its pretty impressive.
1x european cup final
3 x uefa cup finals - 1 win
1 x cup winers cup
1 x super cup
3 x portuguese league titles
1 x portuguese cup
1 x italian league title
4 x italian cups
2 x world cup quarter finals
1 x european championships quarter final
plus, very well connected.........could SGE do a job ?
He tends to win cups primarily. The Dutch and Portughese (sp) leagues are like SPL in terms of competition. At Lazio it took him 4 years and a shedload of money to get there....
As opposed to 4 years a shed load of cash then resigning??
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If Felix Magath was there I would vote for him. None of the English names inspire any confidence so I went for Klinsmann. Jol would be good and it is probably fantasy to talk of Hiddink or Big Phil Scolari.
I think one of the legacies of MON's buy UK and Ireland policy will be that the new man will have to have pretty decent English!!
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No on Bradley, not good enough tactically in the world cup imo.
Bradley did at least try and change things when faced with adversity, unlike a recent former Villa manager. The USA's comeback against Slovenia was impressive, and was due largely to his team's change in personnel and formation against the very defensive opposition in the second half.
I don't imagine for a second that he has a chance of being Villa manager, but he's a good coach given the players he has to work with.
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Southgate, Curbishley?????? the press / bookies really think we are a shitty little club don't they.....
My vote is Bilic, I like his passion for the game and think he would get us playing football by buying players with flair and technique.
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Sven would be a disaster for the Club, his time has gone. Agree Moyes will not come to Villa, Jol is the man, A pity we missed out on Mark Hughes.
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Sven would be a disaster for the Club, his time has gone. Agree Moyes will not come to Villa, Jol is the man, A pity we missed out on Mark Hughes.
Sven would be a disaster, but Sparky would not ??
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Mick McCarthy anyone?! ???
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Sven is just the media being dicks. There's more chance of having mourinho as the villa boss
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Southgate, Curbishley?????? the press / bookies really think we are a shitty little club don't they.....
That's where the betting is I guess.
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Southgate, Curbishley?????? the press / bookies really think we are a shitty little club don't they.....
How much money do you think the bookies would make if they had only the nailed on favourite available for betting?
They'll throw as many names into the ring as they can.
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Mick McCarthy anyone?! ???
The football wouldn't be great...
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Shame Hodgson went to Liverpool - he'd have been ideal.
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Mick McCarthy anyone?! ???
What would be the point?
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Fortunately we only need to find one good manager that fits the bill, not five. On that basis I am reasonably confident Randy can make it happen.
It will be absolute torture hearing names like Bradley and Southgate in the meantime but we just have to keep the faith and hope for the best.
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Mick McCarthy anyone?! ???
Jenny McCarthy would do a better job
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Tony Mowbray?
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I've gone for Jol because he's got experience of club football here, european league experience and plays reasonable football. I'm not of the opinion Hiddink et al would even spare us a thought, so I think he's about the best option not to go down the pan.
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I have a strong suspicion that we will go after Moyes. Whether he comes is a different matter but his name will be right up at the top of the list.
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Mick McCarthy anyone?! ???
Jenny McCarthy would do a better job
Imagine the half time entertainment????
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Tony Mowbray?
Too much charisma :D
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I'm staggered by the majority support for Jol. I do not recall a single post from amongst the MONphobes stating, "What we really need is O'Neill out and Jol in".
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Now that I can post again... is the poll for who we want or who we think we'll get?
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I would rather have Bob the Builder than Bob Bradley.
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An appointment of Klinsmann would definately create some excitement at VP.
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I would rather have Bob the Builder than Bob Bradley.
Bob Carolgees, at least he's a Brummie
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I'm staggered by the majority support for Jol. I do not recall a single post from amongst the MONphobes stating, "What we really need is O'Neill out and Jol in".
That's because wanting Jol to replace MON how he has gone is not the same as wanting MON to be sacked so Jol can be installed.
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I'm staggered by the majority support for Jol. I do not recall a single post from amongst the MONphobes stating, "What we really need is O'Neill out and Jol in".
That's because wanting Jol to replace MON how he has gone is not the same as wanting MON to be sacked so Jol can be installed.
There was also the little matter that apparently we'd be a draw for better managers than that. Now I know the timing has made it difficult but to me Jol would be at the top end of who are likely to attract and I wonder if he'd be willing to swap Ajax for a period of trying to make ends meet in B6.
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I seriously doubt Moyes would come.
Curbishley would condemn us to mid-table. I would rather take a risk with someone unproven than go with that.
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I'm staggered by the majority support for Jol. I do not recall a single post from amongst the MONphobes stating, "What we really need is O'Neill out and Jol in".
That's because wanting Jol to replace MON how he has gone is not the same as wanting MON to be sacked so Jol can be installed.
There was also the little matter that apparently we'd be a draw for better managers than that. Now I know the timing has made it difficult but to me Jol would be at the top end of who are likely to attract and I wonder if he'd be willing to swap Ajax for a period of trying to make ends meet in B6.
appart from Man City, what other clubs dont have to 'make ends meet'
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Jol is the best manager on that list who is attainable.
I think he was willing to take the Fulham job but compensation was the initial problem; surely he would love to manage Villa?
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I would rather have Bob the Builder than Bob Bradley.
Bob Carolgees, at least he's a Brummie
isn't he dead?
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according to sky only man city have spent more than us on average in the last 4 years -so mon can hardly play the pauper .he has wasted a huge amount of money and im not surprised randy has reigned in his spending,wherever o neill goes he will not get the money he has been given by randy.
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according to sky only man city have spent more than us on average in the last 4 years -so mon can hardly play the pauper .he has wasted a huge amount of money and im not surprised randy has reigned in his spending,wherever o neill goes he will not get the money he has been given by randy.
He has had a lot of money but I still don't think you can argue that a net spend of £80m over 4 years is enough to take us from the mess of the last days of Ellis and O'Leary to Champions League certainties. It's the same as Spurs have spent in the same period but they were starting from a much higher base.
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So far according to the H&V masses, the top 3 are Jol, Moyes and Klinsmann.
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I suppose the question to ask is take the value of the playing squad when he took over and then the value of it today and has it increased by his £80m net spend?
I'd say so!
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So far according to the H&V masses, the top 3 are Jol, Moyes and Klinsmann.
Although a little uncertain of Klinsmann credentials when it comes to being a day-to-day league manager, I think I'd be happy with any of those three. Any other realistic name does not excite me at all.
Personally, I think we'll end up with Jol.
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I believe that Hughes was Randy's choice back in Apr/May when MON was wobbling. If he still is, who knows? We could have a Big Ron type turnaround situ all over again
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It won't be Bradley, what knowledge does he have of the Premiership or players in Europe, it would be a massive gamble to put him in charge, as would Klinsmann.
David Moyes with £30m to spend might be tempted but it doesn't look like there's any money to spend. Would he see us as as step sideways?
Jol would be the best option, if available.
Anyone think MON is vindictive enough to wait for Hughes to sign for Fulham then drop us in the shit??
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Has this already been mentioned http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx
Would be great and an exciting new manager imo!
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I have a strong suspicion that we will go after Moyes. Whether he comes is a different matter but his name will be right up at the top of the list.
I really can't see him leaving Everton unless Man united come in for him
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Has this already been mentioned http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx
Would be great and an exciting new manager imo!
I haven't seen enough of Hoffenheim to say one way or another. He's done a good job from what I've read, but how much of that was down to the money they've had to spend?
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I haven't seen enough of Hoffenheim to say one way or another. He's done a good job from what I've read, but how much of that was down to the money they've had to spend?
I really like how his teams play fearless football against everyone, even if it was Bayern Munich away from home. Ok, he has had funds available but it's not like he's bought half a team from Barcelona. Instead, he's brought players many that have really proved themselves only after their arrival.
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Has this already been mentioned http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx
Would be great and an exciting new manager imo!
That's a really interesting call there!! One of the most interesting so far. Moyes wont leave everton, he's just secured Tim Cahill and Arteta on new contract, bought a few players in so as far as he's concerned he's all set for the new season.
Ralf rangnick of Hoffenheim on the other hand could be a real interesting idea, got the creds, not proven in premiership but hey, neither was wenger.
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Has this already been mentioned http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx
Would be great and an exciting new manager imo!
That's a really interesting call there!! One of the most interesting so far. Moyes wont leave everton, he's just secured Tim Cahill and Arteta on new contract, bought a few players in so as far as he's concerned he's all set for the new season.
Hoffenheim on the other hand could be a real interesting idea, got the creds, not proven in premiership but hey, neither was wenger.
Yeah, but Arsenal tracked Wenger from when he was at Monaco and the Japan. Rangnick is just an outside contender, surely?
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An appointment of Klinsmann would definately create some excitement at VP.
Not for me it wouldn't. He's not management material.
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maybe so but why not, i'd rather gamble on someone like that than klinsmann or bob bradley
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There we go, I want Ralf Rangnick. Sounds more exciting than most other names linked to the job.
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I'm startled that eight (8.) people voted for O'Leary.
Is it the start of the comedy season?
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Getting a bit fed up with the so called bookies favourites for the job being different from one bookie to another and constantly changing.
People are just guessing and getting worked up over it.
As a matter of interest, how much money is being placed across the board on our next manager. How much would it take to get an 'also ran' to favourite with one of the bookies - sell a few newspapers, wouldn't it.
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Getting a bit fed up with the so called bookies favourites for the job being different from one bookie to another and constantly changing.
People are just guessing and getting worked up over it.
As a matter of interest, how much money is being placed across the board on our next manager. How much would it take to get an 'also ran' to favourite with one of the bookies - sell a few newspapers, wouldn't it.
I'll throw my hat into the ring, everyone go out and start putting money on me now. With the way the bookies keep changing I'll be odds-on in no time at all.
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What about Ron Atkinson on a temporary basis and see how it goes... I just don't like anyone on that list!
Think we could certainly do worse, he plays attractive football for a start!
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If everyone on this board was to put £5 on Terry Nutkins, would that be enough to stop the betting?
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Has this already been mentioned http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx
Would be great and an exciting new manager imo!
Fuck me, the rest of that "shortlist" makes me want to stick my head in the oven.
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Cant be arsed to trawl this thread, but has anyone mentioned Roberto Martinez? I would put Moyes and Jol ahead of him, but perhaps a gamble on a good young manager, who plays decent attacking football and has fresh ideas may pay off?
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Cant be arsed to trawl this thread, but has anyone mentioned Roberto Martinez? I would put Moyes and Jol ahead of him, but perhaps a gamble on a good young manager, who plays decent attacking football and has fresh ideas may pay off?
i did on page 2
dont think he's one of the favourites though
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Oh, sorry John. Started at the wrong end of the thread!
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Oh, sorry John. Started at the wrong end of the thread!
i wouldnt bother trawling through it either mate, its a bit like Corrie, you soon pick up the storyline no matter where you dip in
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An appointment of Klinsmann would definately create some excitement at VP.
If you count a relegation battle as excitement. The guy was a disaster at Bayern - his only club management post to date - totally out of his depth. And as California is a woo-woo mecca, I hear he's as batty as Glen Hoddle.
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Has Boo Radley or whatever his name is took over yet?
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Mellberg. If anyone gives him some sauce he can hang 'em upside down by their ankles like he did Lungberg a few years ago.
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Ron Saunders ...if he is alive?
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Ireland still discussing terms. Erickson linked....mmmm... Strokes chin....bookies tomorrow
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How on earth anybody can claim to know what is on our shortlist is beyond me.
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Im all for free speech and opinion, but who the hell are these 3-4% who have voted for O`Leary ? They should be sectioned.
Martin Jol for me....definetely not Sven !
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Frankly, God help us if we get Sven. I don't think we will, but God what a ridiculous notion.
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If everyone on this board was to put £5 on Terry Nutkins, would that be enough to stop the betting?
I'll stick a fiver on Nutkins, but a tenner on the otter that ripped his finger off. Oh, and two quid on Nutkins' barber.
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SO bookies have given us this lot to choose from -
# Jol - probably peoples choice on the site - , knows his way to our part of the world, good track record with Spuds before he was fired - just don't let approve the menu the night before the last game if we have a chance of the top 4. Get's my vote as best of a bad bunch (as we won't get Moyes)
# Bilic - seems to get bigged up for all PL jobs when they come up for grabs, for life of me don't know why, his Croatian team stuffed England a few times a few years ago - not the biggest task in the world as we've seen recently. Only good thing I can say about him is that he wore claret and blue for a while - even if it was the wrong kind
# Moyes - no chance Everton wouldn't let us near him, realistically what can we offer him that he doesn't already have as Villa and Everton are on a par currently. In addition he's being groomed as the next Manure kingpin - would love him but not happening for me
# Bradley - please god no - no experience, can just imagine him talking about not having to worry about transfers or scouting as we will pick up some free agents and do well in the college draft. Well Mr Bradley the only college draft I experienced was the wind whistling through my flea pit of a room hitting my exposed bony arse because i was too pissed to make it under the covers from the night before. Stay away
# Curbishley - not wasting typed words on this one
# MacDonald - sadly not enough experience, will do well while he has the gig though
# Cowans - ditto unfortunately - my hero, can do no wrong - nothing gave me shivers more than hearing Sid belted out on the Holte End in the early 80's (my first season ticket was the year after Rotterdam - what luck!). Would hate to see him get it in case he failed - Legend!
# Kilinsmann - can't see it, he would walk out anyway once he's spent a day on the training pitch with Emily "that's not diving Emily, this is diving - what you do is just falling over - lots!"
# Southgate - see Curbishley above
# Eriksson - again can't see this, if wages / revenue is an issue bringing this twat in would be odd. It would cost us a fortune a year just to keep him in skirt. If he was on the shortlist i would put myself forward as the wages / revenue metric would be far more beneficial for the club due to my lower grade requirement in females.
# Zola - would love him to come in a do a good job, just to rub it in the face of the porn dwarf - not going to happen though is it
# Pearce - not a chance, found his level out of harms way wiping the collective Italian arse that is team England
# O'Leary - fuck off!
# McClaren - nope, most of our squad is English, he appears to be longer able to speak the language
# Laursen - would love this but heart ruling head - but one day perhaps just not now
# Clough - unlikley as he's dead, i doubt he would come without Peter Taylor - also dead,
my 2p worth - so by process of deduction Jol it is - job done on the blower to Amsterdam and get it done,
though knowing our luck we'll end up with Phil Brown and Dowie as his footballing consultant -wonder what those odds are?
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# Clough - unlikley as he's dead, i doubt he would come without Peter Taylor - also dead,
I expect that his son is the intended Clough, rather than exhuming Brian.
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I'm optimistic.
I want Bilic, but someone like Klinsmann would do - not a manager but he's a face and he'd lift the negativity around the place. He comes with a good coaching team as well doesn't he?
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# Clough - unlikley as he's dead, i doubt he would come without Peter Taylor - also dead,
I expect that his son is the intended Clough, rather than exhuming Brian.
I know - sorry i was being a twat
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Would big Ron or Sir Graham do a good interim job?
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Ian Dowie lol.
The more I think it about the more it'd be a disaster if Bob Bradley was our manager. He'd have no idea.
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If everyone on this board was to put £5 on Terry Nutkins, would that be enough to stop the betting?
I'll stick a fiver on Nutkins, but a tenner on the otter that ripped his finger off. Oh, and two quid on Nutkins' barber.
Terry Nutkins! Finally something to put a smile on my face after a miserable 24 hours, love that guy, keeping the monk mullet look alive
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# Clough - unlikley as he's dead, i doubt he would come without Peter Taylor - also dead,
I expect that his son is the intended Clough, rather than exhuming Brian.
I suspect there is a little bit of sarcasm there as is Clough Jr really worth even mentioning on this forum?
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Dear God!
Not Erikkson, we don't want spunk stains all over the board room carpet.
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Is Terry Nutkins still alive??
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How about Martinez from Wigan?
Sven, No thanks. It has to be Jol, most of the rest would be a step backwards.
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Monkeyboy that is a very droll post. The image of Klinsmann teaching Mr M how to dive made me laugh out loud. I have voted for Jol because he is tough, knows the ropes and being Dutch is good with languages. Zola made a very big impression on my younger son when they met earlier in the year and the only good thing about Curbishley is that I know where he lives having worked on the building of his house which I might add is about a four hour drive from VP.
If either Southgate or Sven get remotely near the job it is the hot bath and straight edge razor blade for me.
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Hopefully the club will rule out some of those muppets straight away; Sven, Bradley & Curbishley for starters.
We have Mc Donald as an interim Manager no need to get another one but a Proven hungry Manager is essential.
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Is Terry Nutkins still alive??
Very much so - Wiki says he's fathered 8 kids!
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I'd rather give macdonald an opportunity at it long term than have curbs or sven have it. Absolute joke
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Ha! ha! The dirty dog!!
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PS, screen shot's of the new official website look fab (sorry for going off topic)
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it the start of the comedy season?
Yes, Newcastle are back in the Premiership.
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is frank rijkard i work at the moment?
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it the start of the comedy season?
Yes, Newcastle are back in the Premiership.
And SHA still in it. For now.
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I can't see that we'd hire Curbishley, I can't see a single reason why we would.
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is frank rijkard i work at the moment?
Head Coach at Galatassary
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No real outstanding candidate, I'd be intrigued to see what Southgate could do if he had an experienced man alongside him to guide him. Southgate always struck me as a man who understood Villa and had the same ambition as the fans, was just badly advised and backed himself into a corner when he left, though he only voiced what every fan was thinking regarding our ambition.
As for the experienced man alongside him, how about the man who signed him for the Villa, the man whose heart belongs at Villa Park. I would genuinely like to see Southgate and Brian Little given a year - we won't go down this year and if it isn't working out at the end of the season then we will have had a year to identify the manager we want to replace them. If it does work out then so much the better - it won't have been a wasted season which is what is facing us right now.
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Do you think he is able to operate under the changed financial circumstances at the club?
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No real outstanding candidate, I'd be intrigued to see what Southgate could do if he had an experienced man alongside him to guide him. Southgate always struck me as a man who understood Villa and had the same ambition as the fans, was just badly advised and backed himself into a corner when he left, though he only voiced what every fan was thinking regarding our ambition.
As for the experienced man alongside him, how about the man who signed him for the Villa, the man whose heart belongs at Villa Park. I would genuinely like to see Southgate and Brian Little given a year - we won't go down this year and if it isn't working out at the end of the season then we will have had a year to identify the manager we want to replace them. If it does work out then so much the better - it won't have been a wasted season which is what is facing us right now.
Southgate and Brian Little? Why would that pairing fill you with so much joy?
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One thing is apparent from this thread, the universal acclaim that greeted MON's appointment will not be repeated for his replacement.
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Sven Goran Eriksson? Jesus wept. No thanks.
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I think Southgate was one of many players who let Sir Brian down when he needed them most.
Forget all this jazz of Southgate sharing our ambition and speaking out for the greater good. He was making noises about leaving during Sir Brian's first major rocky patch as far back as Nov 1997. Just a few months after the club spent big money on signing Collywobbles from a then rival, and just a few months after being made captain. And way before JG, Herbert and the politics of 99/00 onwards.
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Do you think he is able to operate under the changed financial circumstances at the club?
None of us know what the financial position at the club is we are all just speculating. Appointing a 'big name' manager like Eriksson would suggest there is money available as I doubt he would taint his reputation by taking a job where he wasn't confident of success.
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Think on minus l'herb ;)
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Do you think he is able to operate under the changed financial circumstances at the club?
None of us know what the financial position at the club is we are all just speculating. Appointing a 'big name' manager like Eriksson would suggest there is money available as I doubt he would taint his reputation by taking a job where he wasn't confident of success.
We know what the General said today, that the wage bill is too high and has to be reduced. I don't think that's Sven's strength, if we were looking for a dirty old man to shag the secretary then he'd clearly be ideal.
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I think Southgate was one of many players who let Sir Brian down when he needed them most.
Forget all this jazz of Southgate sharing our ambition and speaking out for the greater good. He was making noises about leaving during Sir Brian's first major rocky patch as far back as Nov 1997. Just a few months after the club spent big money on signing Collywobbles from a then rival, and just a few months after being made captain. And way before JG, Herbert and the politics of 99/00 onwards.
More importantly he hasn't served an apprenticeship as a manager. We might as well go for John Deehan if we want an ex player with managerial experience.
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
And bring a circus to Villa Park with him, thats the last thing we need atm, Notts County should be a warning recently.
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We do have a wage bill legacy to manage, and pissed off players to sort out and transfers to see to and and and .... kin Hell, cheers Martin.
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One thing is apparent from this thread, the universal acclaim that greeted MON's appointment will not be repeated for his replacement.
Certainly not, you are right. But I don't think that's necessarily because MON is a much better manager than our options (I'd say he edges out Jol, but Bilic and Klinnsman could be better than him in future), but more to do with the fact that MON is sooo much better than O'Dreary, and the whole renewed optimism surrounding the club at the time, with the imminent takeover and everything, contributed still further to MON's instant deification.
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It's different to other times we've had to make an appointment as we haven' just escaped relegation with a dodgy squad. The squad is generally sound,and maybe more can be gotten out of it with the full use of it and variations in play and tactics. Not sure how many of the so called candidates could do that though.
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what im still stuggling to understand is why the whole back room staff have gone too. when a manager resigns the whole backroom staff dont usually go too... it just seems more like they were sacked
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Do you think he is able to operate under the changed financial circumstances at the club?
None of us know what the financial position at the club is we are all just speculating. Appointing a 'big name' manager like Eriksson would suggest there is money available as I doubt he would taint his reputation by taking a job where he wasn't confident of success.
We know what the General said today, that the wage bill is too high and has to be reduced. I don't think that's Sven's strength, if we were looking for a dirty old man to shag the secretary then he'd clearly be ideal.
We know what the General said today. However, it's quite possible that plans to cut the wage bill might be put on hold to give a new guy chance to get his feet in the door. Plus, we do slash the wage bill it's only going to be dross like Sidwell and Heskey.
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Sven Goran Eriksson? Jesus wept. No thanks.
why not? One of the most successful managers in European club football history.
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Sven Goran Eriksson? Jesus wept. No thanks.
why not? One of the most successful managers in European club football history.
When he has money. When he doesn't have money, I feel he struggles. Plus he's failed to adapt tactically from about 10 years ago.
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what im still stuggling to understand is why the whole back room staff have gone too. when a manager resigns the whole backroom staff dont usually go too... it just seems more like they were sacked
To be fair, they are a team.They arrived as a team, and they leave as one.
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Why would they not go? They know they will get a well-paid job alongside O'Neill wherever he pitches up next.
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Do you think he is able to operate under the changed financial circumstances at the club?
I don't see why not Chris. It was only at Man City under Shinawatra that he had a large kitty and that pales into comparison to what Hughes/Mancini has. He managed to operate under a more conservative environment at some of the other clubs he's been at, plus I don't think the well is dry for a new manager. It just was for MON.
I'm not totally sold on Sven, but I wouldn't be against it.
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I'd like Moyes myself but doubt he'd leave Everton for us. I think Jol's over-rated
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I'm not totally sold on Sven, but I wouldn't be against it.
And I suspect that will be the response to most appointments.
For me the only "no,no's" are Bilic and Bradley ( Dolly simply a joke).
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what im still stuggling to understand is why the whole back room staff have gone too. when a manager resigns the whole backroom staff dont usually go too... it just seems more like they were sacked
To be fair, they are a team.They arrived as a team, and they leave as one.
Normally when a manager leaves the rest of the backroom staff go too. It's the whole package, if they dont go they soon get sacked when the new manager comes in
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Do you think he is able to operate under the changed financial circumstances at the club?
I don't see why not Chris. It was only at Man City under Shinawatra that he had a large kitty and that pales into comparison to what Hughes/Mancini has. He managed to operate under a more conservative environment at some of the other clubs he's been at
That is simply not the case. At Benfica he had the biggest budget in Portugal, at Lazio Cragnotti was signing cheques like he'd been told it would make him irresistible to women. The fact is that Sven needs the money, and would not operate well under our new constraints.
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Ottmar Hitzfeld would be my 1st choice. We have to go foreign and tap into that market.Sven would undoubtadly be the favourite.
Why do we have to go foreign? We have a predominantly British squad.The problem is not the Nationality of the manager, it is the level of funding available to him.
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Ottmar Hitzfeld would be my 1st choice. We have to go foreign and tap into that market.Sven would undoubtadly be the favourite.
Why do we have to go foreign? We have a predominantly British squad.
You answered your own question.
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we should give kevin mac and sid a go, at least until christmas, see where we are then. Macdonald seems a sound guy, respected by the players, cowans is obviously a legend. There is no interesting candidate in that list of names - god help us if we end up with southgate or curbishley or bob bradley. The problems - right back, heskey, etc are pretty obvious, not sure we need somebody coming in and starting from scratch. Do it the liverpool boot room way... save a bit of money, keep it villa
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Disagree. We need a signing to capture the imagination, boosting our crowds, getting the media onside and convincing Ashley to stay.
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just watching the boro game and they are saying about gordon strachan should go for the villa job..
HE CAN FECK RIGHT OFF !~!!!!!
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we should give kevin mac and sid a go, at least until christmas, see where we are then. Macdonald seems a sound guy, respected by the players, cowans is obviously a legend. There is no interesting candidate in that list of names - god help us if we end up with southgate or curbishley or bob bradley. The problems - right back, heskey, etc are pretty obvious, not sure we need somebody coming in and starting from scratch. Do it the liverpool boot room way... save a bit of money, keep it villa
Unfortunately because of MON's timing, I think we do need a new manager to unify the players and fans and to bring a "fresh start". Also we will have no first team coaches, Goalkeeping coaches, Head Scout etc
We need a new manager to bring in his team. People who he has worked with and understands
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The more I think of it, the more I think we should go for Eriksson.
Do you think he is able to operate under the changed financial circumstances at the club?
I don't see why not Chris. It was only at Man City under Shinawatra that he had a large kitty and that pales into comparison to what Hughes/Mancini has. He managed to operate under a more conservative environment at some of the other clubs he's been at
That is simply not the case. At Benfica he had the biggest budget in Portugal, at Lazio Cragnotti was signing cheques like he'd been told it would make him irresistible to women. The fact is that Sven needs the money, and would not operate well under our new constraints.
It shows that he spend the money given to him well. He won trophies at both of those clubs. He is very astute, tons of contacts and now also has an in with African talent also. Again, I'm not saying he'd ideal, but I certainly wouldn't dismiss it.
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just watching the boro game and they are saying about gordon strachan should go for the villa job..
HE CAN FECK RIGHT OFF !~!!!!!
I'm finding the whole media speculation thing very depressing, thinking of avoiding any papers etc until we've got someone in place and can move forward
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I think before considering who the new manager might be, we should think about the overall strategy of the club as a whole. The Lerner regime has said that we won't be taking the let's just throw money at it approach and it would seem from the last four years that the strategy was to identify young up and coming players on the cusp of a breakthrough and bring them in and try to build a strong first team which could also be supplemented by the academy. For this we need a manger who can through his own contacts or the clubs own scouting system find and sign such players (doesn't particularly matter whether they are English or not, but that's a bonus). We also want to have as exciting a product to sell on match days as possible, so the quality of football that he may play is also an obvious characteristic to target.
I think O'Neill has done pretty well on all counts (maybe having better home form would have helped his cause) and my abiding memories of him are of him being present on the bench at the Youth Cup games and of how he scouted the likes of Young and Delph from almost nowhere. This was a manger who, for whatever faults he may have had, was intertwined with the very fabric of the club. In terms of his successor, I think these are qualities that are absolutely essential to target as well as the quality of football that he is likely to produce. Maybe the quality of football he played was one place where he fell down, but we were very exciting away from home, particularly against the big boys, so I guess we would want to try and keep the good qualities that O'Neill brought to the table and try to improve on his weaknesses.
Of the list above I don't see too many possibilities. I don't think the likes of Sven or even Hiddink/Rijkaard are suitable for the job. These guys would be excellent first team coaches, but I thuink we'll be looking for more than that. I think we have to identify a younger, hungry coach. Obviously we're also not interested in most of the dross which has also been mentioned above as we will be looking for a quality appointment. However, I think it may not be a huge name and I think the most interesting possibility mentioned so far was Rangnick from Hofffenheim. I don't know much about him but it seems he has a rep for scouting players and building good attacking teams from relative unknowns. I guess operating in the Bundesliga he'll be used to at least balancing the books which would I think also be attractive to Randy.
I'm not holding a torch for this guy, as I really don't know a whole lot about him, but I think this is the type of appopintment we will make. Obviously there's a huge risk attached, as hiring a potenial unknown will also mean the likelihood of the wheels coming off is relatively higher than it would be with a safer appointment, but I think we are forced into a position where we have to take a calculated gamble on the next manager. It is for this reason why I was so in favour of continuing to back O'Neill as it is going to be extremely difficult to find the right man to replace him. I hope Randy has some good advice behind him and that he takes his time with the appointment. I also hope the supporters are patient with the new appointment, as I think we need to think outside the box on this and so may not get the big name that many people want.
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He won trophies with absolute billions. Honestly, the blank-chequery that was going on at Lazio in particular was almost frightening. There's one particular story where Eriksson goes to Cragnotti and says "I want Vieri from Atletico". Cragnotti asks Atletico for the price, and they ask for 55 billion lira, an unbelievable amount of money. Cragnotti then goes to Eriksson and says "they want 55 billion. I'll just pay that then shall I?" Sven obviously goes "um...yeah?", and off Cragnotti goes to give Atletico that precise sum. No negotiation, no weighing up of pros and cons, just pays it. Ridiculous.
Under those conditions, which ruined Lazio in the long-term, sure, Eriksson won trophies. Would he do so at Villa? I doubt it. Also his football has always been so pragmatic and death-inducingly boring. Honestly, I want him about as much as I want Southgate.
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well sky are saying that ireland is holding talks so that means it is very likely he will be with us by thursday and that also means that sven may be on his way. why else sign a player when there is no manager in charge unless that manger does or may want that player ???
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great post cb, completely agree. I think Rangnick is a great shout, unknown granted but not prepared to bankrupt a club and sign huge players, but interested in playing a system, picking the right player to fit into that system and letting young blood come through
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Sven Goran Eriksson? Jesus wept. No thanks.
why not? One of the most successful managers in European club football history.
'Was' is the operative word. His time has been and gone in my view - we can do better. .
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I would rather have Southgate over Sven & that is going some!
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I firmly believe that the overall strategy of this board is to grow the Villa brand outside of the UK. I have a feeling that while for the most part MON was doing a solid job, under his management the globalization of Villa was never going to happen. If you want to compete financially with some of the bigger teams then, and it's sad to say, you have to prostitute yourself a little. I think Randy, because of his belief in tradition would never do this overtly, but he's not naive and knows that you need to be able promote yourself to a wider audience e.g into Asia, Africa or North America.
Under MON we all pretty much knew we were never going to get "exotic" foreign players. I think that has held us back from a financial standpoint. I'm speaking like a Marketing person, because I am one, but I understand that the goals of the brand are always to grow into new markets. I would hope and expect that board take this opportunity and appoint a manager that has some reach into new markets for us. That will take the risk and bring some players that play in other countries. We don't have to get a player from Japan or China, but we need to be marketable in those countries. It would be nice to be linked to player in Spain and actually think we may end up getting him.
I'm hoping for a Sven, Jol or Klinsmann for those reasons.
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Sven Goran Eriksson? Jesus wept. No thanks.
why not? One of the most successful managers in European club football history.
'Was' is the operative word. His time has been and gone in my view - we can do better. .
Such as...?
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Sven got Ireland playing well when at city , so there may be something in this, he has said he wants the villa job before and has lots of contacts in world football- interesting !
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Sven got Ireland playing well when at city , so there may be something in this, he has said he wants the villa job before and has lots of contacts in world football- interesting !
Indeed he did in the NOTW Sting and promised to get us Beckham!!
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Of the list above I don't see too many possibilities. I don't think the likes of Sven or even Hiddink/Rijkaard are suitable for the job. These guys would be excellent first team coaches, but I thuink we'll be looking for more than that. I think we have to identify a younger, hungry coach. Obviously we're also not interested in most of the dross which has also been mentioned above as we will be looking for a quality appointment. However, I think it may not be a huge name and I think the most interesting possibility mentioned so far was Rangnick from Hofffenheim. I don't know much about him but it seems he has a rep for scouting players and building good attacking teams from relative unknowns. I guess operating in the Bundesliga he'll be used to at least balancing the books which would I think also be attractive to Randy.
I'm not holding a torch for this guy, as I really don't know a whole lot about him, but I think this is the type of appopintment we will make. Obviously there's a huge risk attached, as hiring a potenial unknown will also mean the likelihood of the wheels coming off is relatively higher than it would be with a safer appointment, but I think we are forced into a position where we have to take a calculated gamble on the next manager. It is for this reason why I was so in favour of continuing to back O'Neill as it is going to be extremely difficult to find the right man to replace him. I hope Randy has some good advice behind him and that he takes his time with the appointment. I also hope the supporters are patient with the new appointment, as I think we need to think outside the box on this and so may not get the big name that many people want.
A good, thoughtful post cb. I have to say though that I totally disagree about appointing a young, hungry manager. That's what you do if your club is potless and / or at a very low ebb.
The thing to do now is to appoint a manager who can build on what Martin has done and move us forward. I'm not saying it's totally impossible for a young, relatively unknown manager to do that, but the odds are against it. For every David Moyes there is an Iain Dowie, an Aidy Boothroyd, a Chris Coleman, a George Burley etc etc.
For me, the thinking outside of the box in our case should mean making an approach for a manager who most fans, pundits, and players would ordinarily think was out of our league. Failing that, a Jol-level appointment would do for a while: I doubt we'd slip back much, if at all, and we might even move forward slightly. But that's the least we should consider.
Taking a punt on an unknown would be a massively high-risk option. The chance of him moving us forward would be very low, and the chance of him wasting the last four years would be significant, in my view.
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Sven Goran Eriksson? Jesus wept. No thanks.
why not? One of the most successful managers in European club football history.
'Was' is the operative word. His time has been and gone in my view - we can do better. .
Such as...?
Hiddink?
Rijkaard?
Moyes?
Schuster?
Ranieri?
Sure you could argue the above are unrealistic but why not try?
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I just can't see past Randy opting for Bob Bradley, I really can't
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Agree hilts_coolerking. An unknown entity would be the wrong move.
We need the club to appoint somebody who will excite us. Transitional seasons shouldn't be an option for a club purporting to have a bright future. Easier said than done of course.
It occurred to me earlier when hearing the welcome news that Ireland had visited the club that MON may have quit because of getting wind of Villa talking to another manager. It seems odd to me that we;d have a high profile player entertaining the thought of signing for another club when they had no idea who the manager would be. I could be talking bollocks of course.
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Sven Goran Eriksson? Jesus wept. No thanks.
why not? One of the most successful managers in European club football history.
'Was' is the operative word. His time has been and gone in my view - we can do better. .
Such as...?
Hiddink?
Rijkaard?
Moyes?
Schuster?
Ranieri?
Sure you could argue the above are unrealistic but why not try?
Don't know Schuster, will take your word for it that he's good. Don't want Ranieri... too nice a bloke to do well.
The rest I would be delighted with. I agree, we should try. If we try and fail though, I wouldn't mind Eriksson.
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How about Roberto Martinez ? Did well at Swansea and does well at Wigan.
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For me, the thinking outside of the box in our case should mean making an approach for a manager who most fans, pundits, and players would ordinarily think was out of our league. Failing that, a Jol-level appointment would do for a while: I doubt we'd slip back much, if at all, and we might even move forward slightly. But that's the least we should consider.
Pellegrini
He was disappointed at missing out on the Liverpool and said he'd love to manage in the Premier League. Why not?
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For me, the thinking outside of the box in our case should mean making an approach for a manager who most fans, pundits, and players would ordinarily think was out of our league. Failing that, a Jol-level appointment would do for a while: I doubt we'd slip back much, if at all, and we might even move forward slightly. But that's the least we should consider.
Pellegrini
He was disappointed at missing out on the Liverpool and said he'd love to manage in the Premier League. Why not?
I actually fully agree. If his English is good enough (and that is very important), then he'd be perfect. Just look at what he did with Villareal - absolutely remarkable.
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Sven got Ireland playing well when at city , so there may be something in this, he has said he wants the villa job before and has lots of contacts in world football- interesting !
I remember that.
Indeed he did in the NOTW Sting and promised to get us Beckham!!
Sven, Beckham and the arabs!
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For me, the thinking outside of the box in our case should mean making an approach for a manager who most fans, pundits, and players would ordinarily think was out of our league. Failing that, a Jol-level appointment would do for a while: I doubt we'd slip back much, if at all, and we might even move forward slightly. But that's the least we should consider.
Pellegrini
He was disappointed at missing out on the Liverpool and said he'd love to manage in the Premier League. Why not?
I actually fully agree. If his English is good enough (and that is very important), then he'd be perfect. Just look at what he did with Villareal - absolutely remarkable.
I don't suppose he has to speak perfect English in a dressing room with a dozen different native tongues.
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Any news?
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I hope that he can Des, that would be a disaster. :(
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That Pelligrino is a bubbly character. He would be very refreshing.
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Managing at the World Cup is hardly Chembo Town. He would at least be an interesting appointment who may or may not be a success. Would rather have him than someone we know will be shit like Curbishley or Mowbray.
believe me its a little different managing fucking kansas cheerleaders then the premiership. It would be an absolute embarrassment to take someone at that level which if you have ever watched the mls is on a par with the old 3rd.
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Sven for me on a 12 month deal
We're not going to finish in the top four or appoint a decent long term replacement so the remit is for us to play some attractive football this season and I think Sven is the best bet to do this. He would be a refreshing change from O'Neill, especailly for the players.
I can't see Jol coming. By all accounts he was flirting with Fulham to gain influence over player dealings at Ajax. I can't see any of the other glitterati coming either - especially at this stage of the season.
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A good, thoughtful post cb. I have to say though that I totally disagree about appointing a young, hungry manager. That's what you do if your club is potless and / or at a very low ebb.
The thing to do now is to appoint a manager who can build on what Martin has done and move us forward. I'm not saying it's totally impossible for a young, relatively unknown manager to do that, but the odds are against it. For every David Moyes there is an Iain Dowie, an Aidy Boothroyd, a Chris Coleman, a George Burley etc etc.
For me, the thinking outside of the box in our case should mean making an approach for a manager who most fans, pundits, and players would ordinarily think was out of our league. Failing that, a Jol-level appointment would do for a while: I doubt we'd slip back much, if at all, and we might even move forward slightly. But that's the least we should consider.
Taking a punt on an unknown would be a massively high-risk option. The chance of him moving us forward would be very low, and the chance of him wasting the last four years would be significant, in my view.
I can understand your point, and I'm sure you're not alone. I did allude to the fact that the approach I outlined has significantly more risk attached to it. The problem with going for a 'name' is the majority of them only ever want to spend money on other 'names', which I'm sure would be exciting for the fans and might look good for a while. In fact I'm sure that if we brought someone like Eriksson in he'd do a pretty good job at first. However I don't think such appoinments will be able to crack the top four under Lerner. To do this we'd need to spend at the very least £50M and continue to increase te wage bill. When the realities of Villa's finances hit home these guys will probably walk, or let the levels of performance drop through apathy that they'll be forced to walk. This is just something that is not realistic at the moment (and imo not route I'd particularly like us to go down). We could go for someone like Eriksson or even Jol now and I think he'd do ok for a while, but we'd have a similar problem in a couple of years time.
I just think we need someone who will buy into the idea of what we want to do and I think for that we need someone with the energy and drive to really build something. I think this comes with being a bit younger as a manager; you're not going to get a 'name' manager who feels they've already earned their stripes doing this. You've talked about names and there is one. The ideal candidate is Wenger, but we know there is no chance of that happening. However Wenger was a relative unknown before coming to Arsenal. We need to find our very own version of him. I'm not sure there is such a manager out there, but I am certain that this is the type of individual we need to crack the top four; either that or we need our very own Sheik, because as far as I can see just about every other route equals finishing in the top 6 or thereabaouts, with the classic Villa 3-4 year cycle. I think we need to take a calculated risk now, or else be doomed to death by a thousand cuts in the future.
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Managing at the World Cup is hardly Chembo Town. He would at least be an interesting appointment who may or may not be a success. Would rather have him than someone we know will be shit like Curbishley or Mowbray.
believe me its a little different managing fucking kansas cheerleaders then the premiership. It would be an absolute embarrassment to take someone at that level which if you have ever watched the mls is on a par with the old 3rd.
I don't particularly want him, but he's not the worst option. Didn't Wenger come from the Japanese League?
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For me, the thinking outside of the box in our case should mean making an approach for a manager who most fans, pundits, and players would ordinarily think was out of our league. Failing that, a Jol-level appointment would do for a while: I doubt we'd slip back much, if at all, and we might even move forward slightly. But that's the least we should consider.
Pellegrini
He was disappointed at missing out on the Liverpool and said he'd love to manage in the Premier League. Why not?
The only downside that i can see is that "Manuel Pellegrini's Claret and Blue Army" doesn't scan too well.......
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Pelligrini for me would be the most interesting and ambitious. He has just left Real Madrid after getting 90 odd points in the league, and had to have done bloody well to get that opportunity. It would be a real current big name appointment, and one that would at least capture the imagination.
Having said all that though, the City players seemed to love Sven, and until March/ April time when they were buggered by Frank Sinatra getting done for his monetary issues and making it clear Sven was getting the boot, they were going well. We have a better squad than they did then, and if he could get a couple of targets in before the window shuts with the Milner money we might be unexpectedly quite strong.
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How about Roberto Martinez ? Did well at Swansea and does well at Wigan.
would be my first choice,
but unfortunatly he doesnt make the H+V poll, and i've heard thats the poll Randy is looking at for guidance,
so we are out of luck mate
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For me, the thinking outside of the box in our case should mean making an approach for a manager who most fans, pundits, and players would ordinarily think was out of our league. Failing that, a Jol-level appointment would do for a while: I doubt we'd slip back much, if at all, and we might even move forward slightly. But that's the least we should consider.
Pellegrini
He was disappointed at missing out on the Liverpool and said he'd love to manage in the Premier League. Why not?
The only downside that i can see is that "Manuel Pellegrini's Claret and Blue Army" doesn't scan too well.......
Have you considered dropping the Manuel?
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The more I think about it, the more I want Bilic, but the more I expect Klinsmann.
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I'm not sure about Sven. Maybe a couple of years ago, but i think he's time has gone. I can't see him managing a big side again. He just seems to be drifting from job to job now, he was even happy enough to pick up a fortune at Notts County by not doing very much.
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Its Keegan!!!
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A good, thoughtful post cb. I have to say though that I totally disagree about appointing a young, hungry manager. That's what you do if your club is potless and / or at a very low ebb.
Or if your club is Barcelona?
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Have you considered dropping the Manuel?
Still needs a bit of work, but work it just might. Has he signed yet?
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Is the poll going to be udated for Hitzfeld and Pelligrini
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unfortunatly he doesnt make the H+V poll, and i've heard thats the poll Randy is looking at for guidance,
so we are out of luck mate
I hope not. How can Bilic be on the poll, and Rijkaard be off it?
And the case for Jol is massively over stated, start probing and there is no way he should be so far out in front.
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Is the poll going to be updated for Hitzfeld and Pelligrini
Hitzfeld ( whom i have met!) is out of our league. Pelligrini has a case, BUT , i dont think he speaks English and hasonly ever worked in a Hispanic environment, so would be operating way out of his comfort zone and would probably import a sizeable hispanic contingent which could destabilise the club.
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We can add some more names and reset the poll if the want is there. I have added in Hitzfeld, Pellegrini and Martinez
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A good, thoughtful post cb. I have to say though that I totally disagree about appointing a young, hungry manager. That's what you do if your club is potless and / or at a very low ebb.
Or if your club is Barcelona?
It's a fair point but I would say Guardiola was more a 'boot room' type appointment than a punt on an unknown from another club. He was there 11 years as a player, and managed their B team. His knowledge of how the club works must be a great advantage to him but, nevertheless, it was a gamble for Barcelona. One which has paid off handsomely too, but I would say Guardiola is an exception rather than the norm. It's very unusual for someone with zero top-flight experience to succeed in the way he has so I'm not sure it's a route we should necessarily be looking to follow.
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Is the poll going to be udated for Hitzfeld and Pelligrini
Let me vote again then please...
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Pellegrini would be good, I was saying we should go for him when it looked like MON was going late on at the end of last season (it was apparent he was leaving Real).
Speaks English, did wonders at Villarreal.
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We cannot think as small as some are in my opinion. I don’t think we can afford to take too big a risk on the manager and besides, its a huge job, there’s already a queue a mile long, lets pick and choose the best one.
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Is the poll going to be updated for Hitzfeld and Pelligrini
Hitzfeld ( whom i have met!) is out of our league. Pelligrini has a case, BUT , i dont think he speaks English and hasonly ever worked in a Hispanic environment, so would be operating way out of his comfort zone and would probably import a sizeable hispanic contingent which could destabilise the club.
Why is Hitzfeld out of our league? He's in semi retirement as Switzerland coach.
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Pelligrini is a very interesting choice. He'd
Never even crossed my mind until it was commented on here. He has the experience that's for sure! Would know and understand the pressure he would be under at a club the expects like villa
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Wow ! Someone else voted for Roberto Martinez. Cheers John e ! Martinez speaks English and Spanish too. Maybe other languages as well ?
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You've talked about names and there is one. The ideal candidate is Wenger, but we know there is no chance of that happening. However Wenger was a relative unknown before coming to Arsenal. We need to find our very own version of him.
Michael Laudrup. Next year.
Svennis might do in the meantime, I suppose.
He's managed in England before and is well used to short-term gigs.
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Why is Hitzfeld out of our league? He's in semi retirement as Switzerland coach.
I am going to back track a little here. He has had a hugely distinguished record as a manager, one of only three to have won the EC/CL with two different clubs.
On the plus side he has nothing to prove and "Der General's" legendary organsiational skills would be welcome and he certainly wouldnt lack credibility in the dressing room and he speaks English. My "out of our league" comment reflected my belief that career wise, Hitzfeld has nothing to gain by coming here.He is not going to add to his league title tally of 18, and Cl tally of 2, is he?
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We cannot think as small as some are in my opinion. I don’t think we can afford to take too big a risk on the manager and besides, its a huge job, there’s already a queue a mile long, lets pick and choose the best one.
I just want to point out that what I am suggesting is not to think small; rather to think big and to think beyond the current awkward situation we find ourselves in, which MON is primarily responsible for I might add. We have to remember that as a club we may well be able to fund some transfer acquisitions BUT they must be accompanied by some reorganisation of the playing staff to balance the wage budget; this and only this is our limiting factor. I don't see this changing any time soon, so the manager we appoint must be someone who can operate successfully within this environment. The only way for this to work is to find a manager who will be comfortable and capable of finding young talent and even occassionally selling our best player and then replacing them. This is the reality of being a top four club in the current environment (Arsenal do this all the time). We need someone of real talent who will invest their passion and drive behind the club in a similar way to what MON did. Without this, I'm afraid we are lost. I do not see too many of the big names that have been mentioned doing that. I would see many of them thinking that Villa would be a win win job for them, wherebyu they wouldn't really lose too much if they failed here and they'd pick up a nice pay check in the process. In my opinion this is not a good recipe for success at the villa in the near future.
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Someone a few pages back summed things up perfectly for me (can't be bothered to find the post and quote it now though).
2 things are clear from happenings in the last few days:
1. The press think O'Neill turned us from nothing to a top 6 side
2. The wage bill is the major issue that needs addressing
The next appointment needs to be made with those in mind. The 1st one is easily solved by getting someone with just as big a profile, either as a player or as a manager. The 2nd can be solved in 2(3) ways. We either cut the wage bill by getting rid of anyone who is on big money and can't command a regular place, or we increase turnover (or ideally we do both, to an extent).
The reducing wages has already started, with shorey now gone we must be at least 100k a week better off (than we were at the end of last season), once Milner goes that's closer to 140k, 1-2 more of the heskeys/sidwells will be enough to have that under control, particularly given the new sponsors.
So the appointment needs to focus on increasing revenue and making people take notice, thankfully these go hand in hand. Now lets go pick up, Klinnsmann or Van Basten. Both big names, with a world profile and with close ties to sides that finished 3rd and 2nd respectively in the last world cup. If we're worried about their coaching ability we keep Macdonald on as assistant manager and let them be the well-known, likable figurehead leading us into our bright new future and spreading brand Aston Villa across the globe as a big up and coming star of football that are doing things the right way by building from the ground up rather than spunking oil money all over europe desperately trying to one up our neighbours.
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1. The press think O'Neill turned us from nothing to a top 6 side
To be fair, there are plenty of people on here who have been arguing exactly that for a very long time. How many times have you seen posts along the lines of "We were certainties for relegation before Martin took over" or "Martin was starting from a much lower baseline"?
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1. The press think O'Neill turned us from nothing to a top 6 side
To be fair, there are plenty of people on here who have been arguing exactly that for a very long time. How many times have you seen posts along the lines of "We were certainties for relegation before Martin took over" or "Martin was starting from a much lower baseline"?
I'm very much in agreement with the second of those when compared to the teams who are our rivals now. How else would you categorise the Villa when he took over?
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1. The press think O'Neill turned us from nothing to a top 6 side
To be fair, there are plenty of people on here who have been arguing exactly that for a very long time. How many times have you seen posts along the lines of "We were certainties for relegation before Martin took over" or "Martin was starting from a much lower baseline"?
I'm very much in agreement with the second of those when compared to the teams who are our rivals now. How else would you categorise the Villa when he took over?
He's saying that it isn't just the press who say that. Which you're proving, by, err, saying that.
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I just want someone who'll crack the Salifou conundrum...
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I just want someone who'll crack the Salifou conundrum...
The Togolese Zidane is a work in progress...
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Actually thought he looked OK when he came on v Valencia.
He was the best of a very bad bunch out in Hamburg a few years ago too.
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I just want someone who'll crack the Salifou conundrum...
The Togolese Zidane is a work in progress...
If we could get the Togolese Mourinho?
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He has a really good weight and accuracy of passing. Stick that on NRC and you've got a hell of a player. Sadly, both are only half a player.
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He played well out in Prague too.
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I see krulaks comments have made the back pages of the newspapers. Wonder if the media are going to dismiss them in keeping that halo from falling from oneil or if they're actually going to look into the situation Martin has left us in a little more.
Even more suprising is Andy grey has put his 2 pence worth in on the skysports website and actually for the first time ever makes sense and seems to side with villa and not oneil.
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I see krulaks comments have made the back pages of the newspapers. Wonder if the media are going to dismiss them in keeping that halo from falling from oneil or if they're actually going to look into the situation Martin has left us in a little more.
Even more suprising is Andy grey has put his 2 pence worth in on the skysports website and actually for the first time ever makes sense and seems to side with villa and not oneil.
This isn't the first time he's been critical of O'Neill.
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Tony Cascarino being more pro Villa than Martin on Sky.
Will be very interesting to see who we get. If a real big hitter won't come I would risk Sven on a 12 month deal.
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True but he never seems to be pro villa either. Cascarino was really interesting.
"if a player left 5 days before the start of the season Martin wouldn't be happy"
And that at a football club u have high points and low. Martin was all for the high points and spending the money. But not prepared to take the low and reign in the costs a little.
Well said Tony!!
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Tony Cascarino being more pro Villa than Martin on Sky.
Will be very interesting to see who we get. If a real big hitter won't come I would risk Sven on a 12 month deal.
I would also risk Sven on a 12 month deal. If he get's top 6 then maybe a new contract?
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Moyes just ruled himself out, saying he is loyal to Everton and will be there next season.
Talksport, thought i'd pass this on as i know no one else on here listen's to it !!
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The more I think about it the more I like the thought of sven.
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The more I think about it the more I like the thought of sven.
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Are you Ulrika Johnson?
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The reducing wages has already started, with shorey now gone we must be at least 100k a week better off (than we were at the end of last season), once Milner goes that's closer to 140k, 1-2 more of the heskeys/sidwells will be enough to have that under control, particularly given the new sponsors.
Pretty much agree with all of your post Paul, but there is one slight flaw.
The problem is, no bugger wants any of our deadwood.
The simple fact is that they are on far too high salaries which no other club will pay, and the players themselves will not drop their wage demands.
I fear we will be stuck with a lot of the fringe players for some time yet.
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The reducing wages has already started, with shorey now gone we must be at least 100k a week better off (than we were at the end of last season), once Milner goes that's closer to 140k, 1-2 more of the heskeys/sidwells will be enough to have that under control, particularly given the new sponsors.
Pretty much agree with all of your post Paul, but there is one slight flaw.
The problem is, no bugger wants any of our deadwood.
The simple fact is that they are on far too high salaries which no other club will pay, and the players themselves will not drop their wage demands.
I fear we will be stuck with a lot of the fringe players for some time yet.
luke Young was the big supprise for me, i mean it wasnt as if we were shipping him out to Blackpool, it was Liverpool and he still wouldnt budge,
unless he knew something of coarse, and thought he could comand a place under a different manager,
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Sven is a parody of himself, and I can't remember the last time he was thought of in terms of his managerial ability rather than his penchant for leaving highly paid jobs and publicity. He can get knotted as far as I'm concerned.
We need a proper 'football man', as it were, and a man of moral integrity (if we know anything of Lerner it is that he only respects men worthy of respect). For my money I would welcome some one like Klinsmann, Bilic, even McClaren (although I'm possibly in a minority there, and actually considering he'sonly just gone to Wolfsburg that won't be possible). I'd also welcome a more risky appointment - Kevin Mac for the season to see how he gets on, or a manager from the Championship. But really, which club in theor right mind is going to let us speak to their manager this close to the beginning of the season? It is only going to be a man who is currently unemployed.
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I am sure that Sidwell, maybe Beye, Heskey and 1-2 more will have suitors this window or next, so don't think it is an issue long term. Luke Young did not want to go back up north to be a reserve, nothing to do with money.
Whoever the next man is I think needs leeway to get maybe 2 of his own men in before getting rid of people.
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People can now change their vote in light of many more options since it was started by clicking remove vote, and simply voting again.
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Moyes just ruled himself out, saying he is loyal to Everton and will be there next season.
Talksport, thought i'd pass this on as i know no one else on here listen's to it !!
i listen to it every morning :-)
dont on the night as i cant stand having a criketer and a ginger div reporter speaking like they know everything about football
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Darren Gough has to be the thickest man on radio, and just about the most ignorant.
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Why am I still gutted about moyes' statement even though I knew there wasn't a chance we'd get him.
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Never entered my thinking as a possible, so not fussed, plus I loathe the amn as he is such a whining moaning git, and fairly self righteous. Perfect for united.
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Darren Gough has to be the thickest man on radio, and just about the most ignorant.
Yes, he heads a very select list in making the likes of Jason Cundy appear to be vaguely intelligent. He's one of those laddish types who thinks if they have a nickname, are all bloke'ish and can knock back 7 pints of Carling a night, then they must be 'alreet'...
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I bet if Mark Hughes hadn't already signed a contract with Fulham we'd have been in for him.
We still could, but it would be costly.
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Just a thought, I wonder if we might go for someone like Pat Rice or Mike Phelan or another long standing/well respected assistant manager who may be willing to make a step up.
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True but he never seems to be pro villa either. Cascarino was really interesting.
"if a player left 5 days before the start of the season Martin wouldn't be happy"
I'm sure martin wouldn't be happy, but hundreds of players move 5 days before the season or into the season because of the transfer window, every year.
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True but he never seems to be pro villa either. Cascarino was really interesting.
"if a player left 5 days before the start of the season Martin wouldn't be happy"
I'm sure martin wouldn't be happy, but hundreds of players move 5 days before the season or into the season because of the transfer window, every year.
Not with zero notice, though.
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klinsmann or sven , if not either of those then bilic or jol.
please no british managers or no bradley , we need to think bigger than that!
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The reducing wages has already started, with shorey now gone we must be at least 100k a week better off (than we were at the end of last season), once Milner goes that's closer to 140k, 1-2 more of the heskeys/sidwells will be enough to have that under control, particularly given the new sponsors.
Pretty much agree with all of your post Paul, but there is one slight flaw.
The problem is, no bugger wants any of our deadwood.
The simple fact is that they are on far too high salaries which no other club will pay, and the players themselves will not drop their wage demands.
I fear we will be stuck with a lot of the fringe players for some time yet.
Two or three of those players will be more than deadwood now the old manager has gone. NRC, Young & Davies are decent footballers, they were just ostracised.
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I wonder though, had Luke Young gone to Liverpool and Sidwell Fulham if MON would still be here?
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I just want someone who'll crack the Salifou conundrum...
Is he still with us?
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I wonder though, had Luke Young gone to Liverpool and Sidwell Fulham if MON would still be here?
Possibly.
With Sidwell, Shorey & L.Young going that would have been £110k+ a week off the wage bill?
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Add Harewood to that list nearer 160-180 from some reports.
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I wouldn't mind Jol but reading what happened with Fulham he would probably be too expensive. I would actually prefer we take a punt on Pellegrini his record is superb and was very unfairly treated at Madrid.
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Pellegrini would be exciting.....
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King Carlos could translate and he would have the knowledge to bring in some quality foreign players. We desperately need some contential flair in the side.
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Apologies if this name has been mentioned on here already, but what's Rijkaard up to these days?
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Someone I know who works in the game threw up a name last night that intrigued me........Glenn Hoddle.
Say what you like about the controversial side of his life, the guy is a good coach and very well respected as so, and his article on how he would change the structure of the English game after the World Cup was one of the best things I've read.
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Apologies if this name has been mentioned on here already, but what's Rijkaard up to these days?
Galatasaray
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Someone I know who works in the game threw up a name last night that intrigued me........Glenn Hoddle.
Say what you like about the controversial side of his life, the guy is a good coach and very well respected as so, and his article on how he would change the structure of the English game after the World Cup was one of the best things I've read.
Hoddle, he's is a complete mentalist.
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Someone I know who works in the game threw up a name last night that intrigued me........Glenn Hoddle.
Say what you like about the controversial side of his life, the guy is a good coach and very well respected as so, and his article on how he would change the structure of the English game after the World Cup was one of the best things I've read.
I'd rather gregnash got the job.
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Someone I know who works in the game threw up a name last night that intrigued me........Glenn Hoddle.
Say what you like about the controversial side of his life, the guy is a good coach and very well respected as so, and his article on how he would change the structure of the English game after the World Cup was one of the best things I've read
I must have done something terrible in a former life if I'm going to have to suffer in this life, watching Hoddle and Eileen Drewery sitting in the dugout bench at Villa Park, spouting inarticulate mumbo-jumbo and performing witchcraft on Heskey at half time
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King Carlos
King Carlos?
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The reducing wages has already started, with shorey now gone we must be at least 100k a week better off (than we were at the end of last season), once Milner goes that's closer to 140k, 1-2 more of the heskeys/sidwells will be enough to have that under control, particularly given the new sponsors.
Pretty much agree with all of your post Paul, but there is one slight flaw.
The problem is, no bugger wants any of our deadwood.
The simple fact is that they are on far too high salaries which no other club will pay, and the players themselves will not drop their wage demands.
I fear we will be stuck with a lot of the fringe players for some time yet.
Two or three of those players will be more than deadwood now the old manager has gone. NRC, Young & Davies are decent footballers, they were just ostracised.
Absolutley agree Dave, It'll be like 3 new signings.
Shame about the rest though (sidwell, Heskey, Beye)
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King Carlos
King Carlos?
yep
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The reducing wages has already started, with shorey now gone we must be at least 100k a week better off (than we were at the end of last season), once Milner goes that's closer to 140k, 1-2 more of the heskeys/sidwells will be enough to have that under control, particularly given the new sponsors.
Pretty much agree with all of your post Paul, but there is one slight flaw.
The problem is, no bugger wants any of our deadwood.
The simple fact is that they are on far too high salaries which no other club will pay, and the players themselves will not drop their wage demands.
I fear we will be stuck with a lot of the fringe players for some time yet.
Two or three of those players will be more than deadwood now the old manager has gone. NRC, Young & Davies are decent footballers, they were just ostracised.
Absolutley agree Dave, It'll be like 3 new signings.
Shame about the rest though (sidwell, Heskey, Beye)
It will, indeed, be interesting to see which of the 'deadwood' come up to the standard that was expected of them when they were purchased. My guess is, with a new manager coming in, we'll see the very best of everybody. Randy may yet see some kind of value for his money.
Exciting times.
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Someone I know who works in the game threw up a name last night that intrigued me........Glenn Hoddle.
Glenn Hoddle ?
I'd throw up as well.
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Would it be racist to say 'No Irishmen need apply please'? I've had a belly full after the last two.
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King Carlos
At least Pellegrini might understand the phrase "defensa central".
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Would it be racist to say 'No fucking micks need apply please'? I've had a belly full after the last two.
Yes.
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Someone I know who works in the game threw up a name last night that intrigued me........Glenn Hoddle.
Glenn Hoddle ?
I'd throw up as well.
Wouldn't set foot in VP he he was made manager. There is a reason why he has been managerless for an age. Self righteous prick
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Would it be racist to say 'No Irishmen need apply please'? I've had a belly full after the last two.
Not sure, I suggest you go and have a quiet word with Richard Dunne and ask him. I'm sure he'll only be too pleased to explain.
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Would it be racist for Mazrim to say 'No fucking micks need apply please'? I've had a belly full after the last two.
Yes.
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Anyone heard this 'Sven spotted at Birmingham airport' rumour?
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Anyone heard this 'Sven spotted at Birmingham airport' rumour?
No haha! interesting if true though
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Anyone heard this 'Sven spotted at Birmingham airport' rumour?
Would it be the same guy who spotted beckham getting into a taxi and heading for villa park when oneil first took over?
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Anyone heard this 'Sven spotted at Birmingham airport' rumour?
No, but I'm going to guess that it's a load of bullshit.
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Anyone heard this 'Sven spotted at Birmingham airport' rumour?
Maybe he's just going on holiday to the Mediterranean island of Lesbos to try his luck.
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I am a MON fan but for some reason i am strangely excited ..........
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I think with the arrival of Citeh and re-emergence of Spurs this season is very much a one step back to make two steps forward. I can see something like this happening -
Marshall, Shorey, Bouma, Gardner, Harewood gone.
Ship out the dead wood: Beye, Osbourne, Salifou, Sidwell, Heskey.
Move on/let go the elder players who are on big wages: Friedel, Luke, Carew.
Finish in the top 8 this season to consolodate, surely have a new permanent manager in by the start of next Summer and ship out that lot above and we'd be left with something like this:
Guzan
Dunne, Collins, Cuellar, Davies Warnock
Ireland, Petrov, NRC, Delph, Young, Albrighton
Agbonlahor, Delfouneso
With potentially Sigergist, Clark, Lichaj, Bannan and Weimann to add if any of them prove they're good enough over the coming season.
The new man will have a core squad of 13 core, capable players, with a massive pot of money ontop to spend on adding 5-7 ontop to create his own team.
The long term future is bright, IMO.
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Sounds feasable but we cannot afford to lose the momentum we have gained under MON. Think the right manager with Ireland and Keane on board can still make this a very good season .......
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If there's any truth that Spurs value Keane at £11m, I really hope we tell them where to stick their aging top earner. Let's face it, they need the money and if we don't buy him who else will? £7m max and a two year contract with an option for an additional 12 months would just about be acceptable. I'd prefer somebody else, even if it means a loan deal, which I think we'll see a lot of this summer.
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Sven's price has collapsed on Betfair - into 5/4 all of a sudden
Cripes
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Collapsing everywhere.
Crikey.
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5/4 on at SkyBet.
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Oh no. Oh dear Lord no.
The last time there were collapsing odds was the MON resignation, I stayed calm and sceptical then and look where it got me. I for one am going into panic-mode until proven otherwise about Sven.
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Evens most places.
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There's no way they would be idiotic enough to appoint him would there?
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There's no way they would be idiotic enough to appoint him would there?
As I said before, depends which Sven turns up:
Multi-trophy winning genius, or
mony grabbing mercenary who'd turn up anywhere
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Collapsing everywhere.
Crikey.
Oh fuckity, fuck fucks.
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There's no way they would be idiotic enough to appoint him would there?
As I said before, depends which Sven turns up:
Multi-trophy winning genius, or
mony grabbing mercenary who'd turn up anywhere
Yes. I can think of worse appointments.
Someone's probably just lumped on somewhere and the other bookies are following the prices.
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There's no way they would be idiotic enough to appoint him would there?
As I said before, depends which Sven turns up:
Multi-trophy winning genius, or
mony grabbing mercenary who'd turn up anywhere
Sadly the trophy winning genius needs huge transfer fees to success. There is little doubt in my mind that Sven would turn up and play 4-4-2 with our team as well, which is just an horrific thought.
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mony grabbing mercenary who'd turn up anywhere
That's the only one available these days.
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This is just a reaction to an statement being expected this afternoon about the manager. Sven's available straight away and in the country. Bookies putting 2 + 2 together and getting 1,278,596.
At least it better fucking well be!!!
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This is just a reaction to an statement being expected this afternoon about the manager. Sven's available straight away and in the country. Bookies putting 2 + 2 together and getting 1,278,596.
At least it better fucking well be!!!
I thnk you're right. Mind you, in the country? Is he?
The prices are all over the shop at the moment.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager
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Sven would turn this place into a laughing stock. Plus, he's just way past his sell by date. I'd rather a fresh, younger manager, part of the modern game. If we unveil Sven as the new boss, I'll throw myself in front of a train...twice. :o
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I thought Sven lived here now?
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I'd be surprised if they appoint anyone before Saturday, but taking advice from Sven might be possible..
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This is just a reaction to an statement being expected this afternoon about the manager. Sven's available straight away and in the country. Bookies putting 2 + 2 together and getting 1,278,596.
At least it better fucking well be!!!
That's what I thought about MON resigning. Admittedly, those odds shortened at a pace that made this look like nothing, but still.
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I thought Sven lived here now?
In which case his being in the country at the moment wouldn't really have much of an impact on his price, I'd have thought.
It's all over the place at the moment, who the fuck is Ralf Rangnick at 20s with b365?
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Rangnick's a very good tactician who's done well with Hoffenheim. Mind you, had shitloads to spend there.
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Maybe Sven joining the board in a sort of Director of Football role and helping choose a freash young manager?
His contacts would be quite useful in recruiting players, just as long as he's not manager!
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I'd be surprised if they appoint anyone before Saturday, but taking advice from Sven might be possible..
Advice on how to pull women half your age maybe, on how to run a football club on a balanced budget no way.
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Maybe Sven joining the board in a sort of Director of Football role and helping choose a freash young manager?
His contacts would be quite useful in recruiting players, just as long as he's not manager!
This isn't the worst idea / theory in the world. A short term contract until Mr Right comes along would be good by me.
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I'd be surprised if they appoint anyone before Saturday, but taking advice from Sven might be possible..
Advice on how to pull women half your age maybe, on how to run a football club on a balanced budget no way.
I realise you probably didn't mean it, but nobody has actually said anything about balancing a budget, have they?
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Maybe Sven joining the board in a sort of Director of Football role and helping choose a freash young manager?
His contacts would be quite useful in recruiting players, just as long as he's not manager!
This isn't the worst idea / theory in the world. A short term contract until Mr Right comes along would be good by me.
No, balls to Sven. I'd rather have MacDonald.
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I wouldn't be horrified by this. Better than Curbishly, not as good as Jol. Would certainly be high profile and has many many contacts in the game. 12 month brief with a review then?
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I thought Sven lived here now?
In which case his being in the country at the moment wouldn't really have much of an impact on his price, I'd have thought.
It's all over the place at the moment, who the fuck is Ralf Rangnick at 20s with b365?
One of the websites has Danny Murphy at 284-1. How marvellously random is that?
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I think there would be better options but Sven isnt that bad. And his record is fantastic on the whole.
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I realise you probably didn't mean it, but nobody has actually said anything about balancing a budget, have they?
That's the implication of all this living within our means stuff.
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Maybe Sven joining the board in a sort of Director of Football role and helping choose a freash young manager?
His contacts would be quite useful in recruiting players, just as long as he's not manager!
This isn't the worst idea / theory in the world. A short term contract until Mr Right comes along would be good by me.
It makes sense to have someone like him to oversee the incoming/outgoing transfers from a footballing perspective while also advising on the search for a new manager.
The mnore I think about it the more I'm liking the idea, but just to state it again I DO NOT WANT HIM AS OUR NEW MANAGER!!!
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I'm pretty sure we're looking for an experienced manager and Jol does have an escape clause in his contract, so we could buy him from Ajax, he knows the area, has experience in the PL, the question is, are we prepared to really go out and get him.
As for Sven, as much as he claims to love football, his real love is money. I wouldn't touch him, not even as DoF. I'd much prefer to see somebody like Graham Taylor in that role. A great administrator, honest, loves the Club and somebody that could let the new guy focus on the playing side.
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I wouldn't be horrified by this.
I would, this is the man last seen whoring himself at Notts County.
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Could it be that he is merely starting the process of interviewing candidates and Sven is merely one of those? Good sign if so.
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I realise you probably didn't mean it, but nobody has actually said anything about balancing a budget, have they?
That's the implication of all this living within our means stuff.
Not really.
Balancing the budget means spend only what we earn. All we've heard is the need to do something about the wage bill.
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One of the websites has Danny Murphy at 284-1. How marvellously random is that?
If that's the case I must be in at about 250-1.
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Mark, how is Sven thought of in Portugal after his time with Benfica? I realise this was a while ago...
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That Hoffenheim manager might be a goer. He did have alot of money to spend but he's clearly got contacts within the game - I don't know much about him but they've brought 4 or 5 real quality players into the club in recent years who were pretty much unknown.
Demba Ba, Carlos Eduardo, Ibsivic (forget his first name) are their forwards who are all highly rated and the fullback Beck is too.
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Demba Ba, Carlos Eduardo, Ibsivic (forget his first name) are their forwards who are all highly rated and the fullback Beck is too.]
I heard he was a bit of a Loser myself.
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I wouldn't be horrified by this.
I would, this is the man last seen whoring himself at Notts County.
Was he? or did he buy into some delusional dream by a chancer? That said he does like a big contract. If he came here for a reasonable wage with a remit of sorting the coaching and scouting out then I wouldn't mind. As long as it was a 12 month contract
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One of the websites has Danny Murphy at 284-1. How marvellously random is that?
If that's the case I must be in at about 250-1.
Brittany Murphy is only 300/1
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The last time there were collapsing odds was the MON resignation, I stayed calm and sceptical then and look where it got me.
"Calm and sceptical"??? You were utterly dismissive man!
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There's no way they would be idiotic enough to appoint him would there?
As I said before, depends which Sven turns up:
Multi-trophy winning genius, or
mony grabbing mercenary who'd turn up anywhere
If you gave Sven a plan over 3 years with a modicom of assured stability then he'd be a great choice. At man City he had started something very good and it all crashed. I believe he'd still be there today if there wasn't such back room volatility. I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be open to working at Villa under the current board provided they can agree on a working relationship and budgetary framework. The man has links all across the world and like I said before, not perfect, but 3 or 4 years it would be very interesting.
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The last time there were collapsing odds was the MON resignation, I stayed calm and sceptical then and look where it got me.
"Calm and sceptical"??? You were utterly dismissive man!
I was calm and sceptical for most of the time. Then I formed a theory and became dismissive for about five minutes, before it hit SSN and everything went mental.
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I really don't know what to make of Sven. I think he is a clever man with a good knowledge of the game but, his time may be gone...
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I think there would be better options but Sven isnt that bad. And his record is fantastic on the whole.
I was going to make a crude comment relating to his fantastic record on the hole (see what I nearly did there?)but thought better of it.
I think he'd be a disastrous appointment, the Man must be minted enough by now without having to seek yet another pay out for failure from some other gullible football team?
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I realise you probably didn't mean it, but nobody has actually said anything about balancing a budget, have they?
That's the implication of all this living within our means stuff.
Not really.
Balancing the budget means spend only what we earn. All we've heard is the need to do something about the wage bill.
That's splitting hairs, the point I was making is that Sven would not be the obvious candidate if you are looking to reduce the percentage of turnover spent on wages. At Man City he bought about a zillion players on the strength of watching a few DVDs if I remember rightly.
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There's no way they would be idiotic enough to appoint him would there?
As I said before, depends which Sven turns up:
Multi-trophy winning genius, or
mony grabbing mercenary who'd turn up anywhere
If you gave Sven a plan over 3 years with a modicom of assured stability then he'd be a great choice. At man City he had started something very good and it all crashed. I believe he'd still be there today if there wasn't such back room volatility. I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be open to working at Villa under the current board provided they can agree on a working relationship and budgetary framework. The man has links all across the world and like I said before, not perfect, but 3 or 4 years it would be very interesting.
He was willing to come to Villa and work under Doug wasn't he?
Fake sheikh thing. Can't remember how long ago that was exactly.
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One of the websites has Danny Murphy at 284-1. How marvellously random is that?
If that's the case I must be in at about 250-1.
How much shorter are the odds on Fletch, Chico and myself?
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I know the season starts in a few days, but appointing a manager within two days isn't the best idea is it? Surely some sort of calm reflection first would be a good idea?
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Sven advising on the manager search? Or advising McDonald with team selection. I would prefer him as manager to DOF but as manager with a bried to bring through McDonald to take over in 2 years for example might be worth a look.
Sven did well at City, the wheels fell off when they had a stupidly bad injury list and were forced to play Elano at right back, while having no strikers fit and the flop Bianchi not scoring goals and going back to Italy early.
Plus Bojinov got injured and never played I don't think.
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Actually the fact that it was the Fake Sheikh is significant. Sven was willing to come and work for a club that would basically be Man City-like in wealth.
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I really don't know what to make of Sven.
Yeah, it's one hard anangram to crack. Could we get away with a combination of plural and an abbreviation and go with 'Nevs'?
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There's no way they would be idiotic enough to appoint him would there?
As I said before, depends which Sven turns up:
Multi-trophy winning genius, or
mony grabbing mercenary who'd turn up anywhere
If you gave Sven a plan over 3 years with a modicom of assured stability then he'd be a great choice. At man City he had started something very good and it all crashed. I believe he'd still be there today if there wasn't such back room volatility. I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be open to working at Villa under the current board provided they can agree on a working relationship and budgetary framework. The man has links all across the world and like I said before, not perfect, but 3 or 4 years it would be very interesting.
He was willing to come to Villa and work under Doug wasn't he?
Fake sheikh thing. Can't remember how long ago that was exactly.
I actually think he still has a point to prove, and this could be his last big opportunity to do it. He's only 62, and he'd have a few good years left.
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I really don't know what to make of Sven.
Yeah, it's one hard anangram to crack. Could we get away with a combination of plural and an abbreviation and go with 'Nevs'?
*chuckle*
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If we want to just get someone in for the season and then re-asses it next Summer Sven (or Klinsmann) would be a good choice.
It'd raise some of the gloom around the place because they're big names and keep people talking about us.
If we're going to just put someone in for the season it HAS to be a big name. Otherwise we risk dropping off the radar a bit.
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One of the websites has Danny Murphy at 284-1. How marvellously random is that?
If that's the case I must be in at about 250-1.
How much shorter are the odds on Fletch, Chico and myself?
I'm afaid you're right down there in the ,000s with Jack Duckworth, Paul Tait and Jessica Rabbit.
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if it is sven then lets all get behind him and give him our full support as we did with mon when he arrived.
sven has great contacts worldwide in the game and i would welcome him , his club record is very good and having seen mclaren and capellos failures it makes svens england record not that bad either, he is high profile and much better than bradley, curbs or southgate!
i would hope he would be given a 3 yr contract as there is no point bringing anyone in for one season.
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Nobody's stopped taking bets so far have they? If a few do that then I'll get seriously worried.
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I realise you probably didn't mean it, but nobody has actually said anything about balancing a budget, have they?
That's the implication of all this living within our means stuff.
Not really.
Balancing the budget means spend only what we earn. All we've heard is the need to do something about the wage bill.
That's splitting hairs, the point I was making is that Sven would not be the obvious candidate if you are looking to reduce the percentage of turnover spent on wages. At Man City he bought about a zillion players on the strength of watching a few DVDs if I remember rightly.
That's what I thought you said, and is why I said you probably didn't mean it. I agree, he's not the type to go somewhere where prudence is required. I was just flagging up that balancing the budget is some levels further on than that.
DVDs? Christ, how low tech. I think most scouting gets done on dodgy chinese feeds these days. "This winger's ok, but he's a bit jerky and keeps stopping for three minutes".
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I can't remember, did Ireland figure under Sven's reign at Man City?
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DVDs? Christ, how low tech. I think most scouting gets done on dodgy chinese feeds these days. "This winger's ok, but he's a bit jerky and keeps stopping for three minutes".
SWP?
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apparantly sky sports news have just said that svens odds have been slashed significanlty in the last hour or so, most sites are on evens now !!!
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yes ireland was very good under sven , as was ulrika allegedly!
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Sven advising on the manager search? Or advising McDonald with team selection. I would prefer him as manager to DOF but as manager with a bried to bring through McDonald to take over in 2 years for example might be worth a look.
Sven did well at City, the wheels fell off when they had a stupidly bad injury list and were forced to play Elano at right back, while having no strikers fit and the flop Bianchi not scoring goals and going back to Italy early.
Plus Bojinov got injured and never played I don't think.
Yeah, he might not be the best long term manager but Citeh were a state when he came in and he used his contacts and got players like Corluka, Elano, Bojinov, Petrov in at short notice. Undoubtedly quality for good fees (although Bojinov was ruined by injury).
Geovanni isn't the best, but for a free transfer it was a good signing too.
Bianchi and Garrido didn't work out, mind. Bianchi was good before and after Citeh though, so maybe it was just the madness going on there that didn't help him.
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Mark, how is Sven thought of in Portugal after his time with Benfica? I realise this was a while ago...
Dint he have a 75% win rate in both times there..
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She was looking rough as nails on Shooting Stars last night.
She's got that Deirdre Barlow neck thing.
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I can't remember, did Ireland figure under Sven's reign at Man City?
yep he brought him into the side. Played some of his best football under Sven.
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I can't remember, did Ireland figure under Sven's reign at Man City?
yep he brought him into the side. Played some of his best football under Sven.
Played 39 games and scored 4, in all competitions.
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Sven might be ok as a stop gap given the timing it would appear there are not alot of viable options around..Jol would still be my choice
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Not bad for a 21 year old in his break through season.
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Actually the fact that it was the Fake Sheikh is significant. Sven was willing to come and work for a club that would basically be Man City-like in wealth.
Well of course. It makes a managers job about a 1000000000 % easier if money is no object. I think Sven would make the most of whatever he had though. Or at least he wouldn't balk at taking a job that wasnt lavishly funded.
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She was looking rough as nails on Shooting Stars last night.
She's got that Deirdre Barlow neck thing.
The effect of Svens corrosive manfish no doubt.
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I think the positives of Sven are thus;
- Successful club manager, relatively speaking. Certainly more successful a boss than we’ve had appointed in many a year
- Large knowledge of the European market
- Plays relatively good football
- A big name
- He knows the English game well
The negatives for me are;
- Lack of training ground discipline
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If he can pick up some of these Brazillians he knows alot about like when he signed elano for e.g , that would be good... We have a good squad bring in Ireland and a goalscorer for a start and get some of the unhappy players playing again , he might be alright on a 12 mth contract..
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Atleast Sven will be a bit more adventurous in the market and he's got the medals to make the players respect him.
How long until we're linked to Beckham if we get Sven?
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Just had a text saying Sven is at the Hyatt on Broad St!
Probably bullshit. PLEASE be Bullshit!
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I think the positives of Sven are thus;
- Successful club manager, relatively speaking. Certainly more successful a boss than we’ve had appointed in many a year
- Large knowledge of the European market
- Plays relatively good football
- A big name
- He knows the English game well
The negatives for me are;
- Lack of training ground discipline
So appoint him and then a bastard of a coach to keep the boys on their toes.
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I think the positives of Sven are thus;
- Successful club manager, relatively speaking. Certainly more successful a boss than we’ve had appointed in many a year
- Large knowledge of the European market
- Plays relatively good football
- A big name
- He knows the English game well
The negatives for me are;
- Lack of training ground discipline
I agree with three of the positives, but I can't agree about the 'good football' aspect. He comes from a school in Sweden which is very influenced by the traditional English game - very efficient, pragmatic, defensive 4-4-2 and playing on the counter-attack - in short, what we've just had. I'd add that to the list of negatives.
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Just had a text saying Sven is at the Hyatt on Broad St!
Probably bullshit. PLEASE be Bullshit!
Got a friend that works there, will text now
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what? Sven and Beckham as his right hand man ..
Get us alot of new fans world wide..
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Mark, how is Sven thought of in Portugal after his time with Benfica? I realise this was a while ago...
They love him but as you said, it was years ago. He still has a house over here but he's never made the shortlist of new managers at Benfica and their merchandising sales are greater than our total turnover, I think they just think they can find somebody just as good for less than half the price.
Let's face it, we're unlikely to be paying anybody more than the £3m we paid Moanin' O'Neill, so I doubt Sven would want the job (salary) which can only be a good think.
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I've just had an email to say Sven is balls deep in a chinese hooker near the Arcadian.
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At least he wouldn't be weighed down by the burden of expectation.
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I think the positives of Sven are thus;
- Successful club manager, relatively speaking. Certainly more successful a boss than we’ve had appointed in many a year
- Large knowledge of the European market
- Plays relatively good football
- A big name
- He knows the English game well
The negatives for me are;
- Lack of training ground discipline
So appoint him and then a bastard of a coach to keep the boys on their toes.
From what I gather Sven is a pretty hands on manager on the training ground, but a bit soft, so a nasty bastard as his assistant to scare the shit out of any lollygaggers would be fine by me.
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I got a text early this morning saying he'd been in BHX. One or two others got it as well it seems.
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Just get the General to take them on a route march every now and again.
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Didn't hang about then Maz -
Have to agree - discipline is the one thing that the assistant/ copaching team can give.
I was sure he played 4-5-1 a lot at City with a striker dropped deep.
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Well he defo isn't at the Hyatt, just text my friend. Can rule that one out.
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Will the supporters respect Sven though? there'll be very little honeymoon period for him I imagine. He seems to be quite an opportunist - only last month he was saying what a lifelong Liverpool fan he is, just as the Scouse job was up for grabs. He seems to follow the money and I wonder how much loyalty he would show us if another job came up.
I don't like him, don't trust him and I wouldn't want him in charge of Randy's money.
maybe you could say the same about O'Neill.
The thought of having Svenis in charge of my Villa makes me feel a bit shit
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I would hope that we had at least approached, and were turned down by, better managers than Sven, if we do end up appointing him. I wouldn't like to think that Sven was the limit of Randy's ambition.
I could live with it if he was genuinely the best we could do but I'd hope we'd exhausted all other possibilities first.
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Didn't hang about then Maz -
Have to agree - discipline is the one thing that the assistant/ copaching team can give.
I was sure he played 4-5-1 a lot at City with a striker dropped deep.
It was a 4-2-2-1-1, really, and still defensive and counter-attacky.
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Just had a text saying Sven is at the Hyatt on Broad St!
Probably bullshit. PLEASE be Bullshit!
i say give the bloke a chance
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The fact that books are still open suggests to me that this could just be a load of money being bet on Sven as a result of dodgy rumours.
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I think the positives of Sven are thus;
- Successful club manager, relatively speaking. Certainly more successful a boss than we’ve had appointed in many a year
- Large knowledge of the European market
- Plays relatively good football
- A big name
- He knows the English game well
The negatives for me are;
- Lack of training ground discipline
I agree with three of the positives, but I can't agree about the 'good football' aspect. He comes from a school in Sweden...
Gothenburg Comp?
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I'm on the Hagley Road - I'll pop down to the Hyatt and do a room by room search.
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Svens cv is much more impressive than mons and he has managed at top level in many countries, I would hope he would be able to pick up a couple of bargains with all his contacts and the more I think about it , the more I like the idea- we will be very high profile with him, anyone fancy becks as player coach?
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I'm on the Hagley Road - I'll pop down to the Hyatt and do a room by room search.
You're a good man!!
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My main concern would be as to just how carefully researched our appointment had been (no matter who it was) if we were to appoint someone today.
Which is why we won't, I suspect.
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If Sven came in with Becks as a coach . I would take that.....
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Not sure about Sven.
I don't have his managerial career to hand but I seem to remember he took the England job sooner than expected because he was making such a poor fist of it at his club side at the time (can't remember if it was Roma or Lazio).
Just a thought. Oh and I've just seen Fariah Allam on the piss on Broad Street. ;)
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I'm on the Hagley Road - I'll pop down to the Hyatt and do a room by room search.
You're a good man!!
It's how he makes a living, if you need a knock off Rolex John is your man.
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I wouldn't be devastated if it were Sven - there are a lot worse option. Had a thought this morning - what about Scolari? Not even mentioned and he might fancy another crack at the PL after not quite proving himself at Chelsea. Last I heard he went back to manage in Brazil I think. Surely a safer pair of hands than many of those in the rather long shot list?
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I'm on the Hagley Road - I'll pop down to the Hyatt and do a room by room search.
You're a good man!!
Luckily I saw your other post before I broke out the deerstalker and magnifying glass!
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If Sven came in with Becks as a coach . I would take that.....
I wouldn't. Beware empty glamour, Beckham has a total of zero pedigree as a coach and has always said he has no desire to coach anything other than the kids at those camps of his.
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I first saw the suggestion of Becks as player coach and had a little laugh. Then I thought about it a bit more and player coach, with one of his academies attached to the BMH complex would seem to be a good idea.
Maybe it is just a crazy idea but I like the "outside the box" thinking.
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My main concern would be as to just how carefully researched our appointment had been (no matter who it was) if we were to appoint someone today.
Which is why we won't, I suspect.
I agree, with both points. I think the heady atmosphere of this week has caused us all to get a little carried away with tittle tattle.
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Easier to just ring hyatt and ask to speak to mr Eriksson, only to be told me Eriksson is not accepting any calls !
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The only reason you'd have Beckham is to increase your turnover through all the stuff you could flog off the back of his name.
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I'm on the Hagley Road - I'll pop down to the Hyatt and do a room by room search.
You're a good man!!
It's how he makes a living, if you need a knock off Rolex John is your man.
Watches are old hat - I've moved on to cars and small firearms now.
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We wont appoint today, however would be encouraging to know the board are being pro-active in seeking at a replacement.
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Will the supporters respect Sven though? there'll be very little honeymoon period for him I imagine. He seems to be quite an opportunist - only last month he was saying what a lifelong Liverpool fan he is, just as the Scouse job was up for grabs. He seems to follow the money and I wonder how much loyalty he would show us if another job came up.
I don't like him, don't trust him and I wouldn't want him in charge of Randy's money.
maybe you could say the same about O'Neill.
The thought of having Svenis in charge of my Villa makes me feel a bit shit
Couldn't agree more with this. I really don't want him in charge of the Villa.
Can't understand why some think his teams play good football either. Have people totally forgotten the turgid stuff England churned out under him or the very pragmatic football Man City played while he was in charge? It was hardly Joga Bonito stuff.
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We wont appoint today, however would be encouraging to know the board are being pro-active in seeking at a replacement.
I think it's pretty assured they're being as pro-active as possible, they'll hardly be sitting around doing nothing. What I hope, and think, is that they won't be panicked.
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I'm not championing Sven or anything but here's his honours list...
Göteborg
Svenska Cupen Winners 1979, 1982
Allsvenskan Champions 1982
UEFA Cup Winners 1982
Benfica
Portuguese Liga Champions 1983, 1984, 1991
Cup of Portugal Winners 1983
SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira Champions 1989
European Cup Runners Up 1990
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1983
Roma
Coppa Italia Winners 1986
Sampdoria
Coppa Italia Winners 1994
Lazio
Coppa Italia Winners 1998, 2000
Italian Super Cup Winners 1998, 2000
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999
UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999
Serie A Champions 2000
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1998
England
FA Summer Tournament Winners 2004
That's mighty impressive.
If you forget the Notts County/Mexico debacles, which were just bizarre quite frankly, what has he done to not be considered a top manager any more, really?
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Didn't Sven leave Blackburn in the lurch a few years ago. Agreed to join them and then fucked off when an offer from Italy came his way.
He hung on at England to screw every penny out of the FA, preferring unemployment to taking a lower paid job......
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My main concern would be as to just how carefully researched our appointment had been (no matter who it was) if we were to appoint someone today.
Which is why we won't, I suspect.
Maybe the research has already been done.Randy may have been known that MO'N may walk over finances
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Not really done a lot in the last decade though has he Maz? You're right, that was impressive in Italy especially, but England weren't exactly a joy to watch, and I didn't like the way he constantly overlooked Barry at the time. He also played Scholes out of position on the left a lot of the time.
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...what has he done to not be considered a top manager any more, really?
Not won anything at club level in ten years, according to your post.
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Odds are just starting to lengthen again, 365's gone to 2s, and Betfair and Daq have pretty much as well. Only BluesQ and 888 still have him at evens.
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Don't want Sven at all. Whilst that list of honours is impressive, it's been 10 years since he won anything. Now he's holding his hand up to any job that's going.
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I'm sure randy has not been totally shocked with mons departure and has probably given previous thought to who he would want if mon should go, a quick appointment wouldn't shock me.
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Bookies must throw out the texts to get the idiots to lump money on.
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I'm not championing Sven or anything but here's his honours list...
Göteborg
Svenska Cupen Winners 1979, 1982
Allsvenskan Champions 1982
UEFA Cup Winners 1982
Benfica
Portuguese Liga Champions 1983, 1984, 1991
Cup of Portugal Winners 1983
SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira Champions 1989
European Cup Runners Up 1990
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1983
Roma
Coppa Italia Winners 1986
Sampdoria
Coppa Italia Winners 1994
Lazio
Coppa Italia Winners 1998, 2000
Italian Super Cup Winners 1998, 2000
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999
UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999
Serie A Champions 2000
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1998
England
FA Summer Tournament Winners 2004
That's mighty impressive.
If you forget the Notts County/Mexico debacles, which were just bizarre quite frankly, what has he done to not be considered a top manager any more, really?
I agree I wouldn't be disappointed with Sven, Southgate well that's a different matter completely
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Sven isn't my first choce but we could do worse
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I cant see it being Sven.
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I thought his England team played some decent stuff but perhaps I'm just basing that on what England are churning out now. He's not going to have won much being England manager fo most of the last decade and then the odd sporadic spell here and there at hopeless clubs and nations.
But fair enough. I'm just trying to reason it all out for myself more than anything else.
He wouldnt be my first choice either but he's no mug. I dont think it would be a terrible appointment but we can do better perhaps.
I still cant believe Hiddink is manager of Turkey. Turkey for fuck's sake!
Go and have a word.
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I'm still not sure about Sven. I acknowledge he has got a very good record, I just don't know what to fully expect, although I do know he'll bring in some forgeign players we do need. I'm still not sure tbh, but if he was appointed as manager I'd back him regardless of my previous thoughts.
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I'd agree that if you had a an issue with our style of play, which personally wasn't an issue for me, then you would have similar issues with Sven. His record up to England is impressive, but then that job has ruined many a good manager!
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Not really done a lot in the last decade though has he Maz? You're right, that was impressive in Italy especially, but England weren't exactly a joy to watch, and I didn't like the way he constantly overlooked Barry at the time. He also played Scholes out of position on the left a lot of the time.
We have a manager in place with England now that has arguably an even more impressive CV than Sven, yet the national team still looks bollocks. Sometimes, it simply isn't just the manager that's at fault and it's case that our players are crap on a world level.
I'd rather just judge him on his abilities as a club manager. I certainly wouldn't baulk at Capello purely based on our display at the last World Cup if he suddenly quit England to reside in Lozells, Perry Barr or somewhere equally as exotic.
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
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Capello is so much better than Sven it's almost funny.
I agree, don't judge Sven on his time with England. But his time at City was pretty indicative, and I've always thought of him as a bit tactically inflexible and prone to having players tell him what to do.
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Even got heskey scoring in that 5-1 in Germany!
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I believe that when the Liverpool position became vacant Sven revealed to the press that he had been a Liverpool fan since his days of youth. This, above all else, rules him out for me. It's a bit like when Curtis Davies revealed he was a Man Utd fan...I haven't felt the same about him either! All fairly irrational but there you go.
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
What's she like?
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Capello is so much better than Sven it's almost funny.
I agree, don't judge Sven on his time with England. But his time at City was pretty indicative, and I've always thought of him as a bit tactically inflexible and prone to having players tell him what to do.
That job, since Thaksin took over, has become a basket case of a job.
It broke Sven, it broke Hughes, and I'll have a couple of her majesty's pounds with anyone who thinks Mancini will be their manager at the start of the 2011/12 season.
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
What's she like?
Nobody knows.
We appointed her then pretended she doesn't exist.
Doesn't even get to do summer fetes, let alone visit sick kids or open new branches of Somerfield these days.
A complete and utter waste of money, we might as well get some munter to do it on half the money.
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
What's she like?
Shopping and cock.
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
What's she like?
Shopping and cock.
Swedish cock?
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Tbf, when Sven was at Man City (and wrongly fired I think) the type of football he got Man City playing was actually very forthright, attacking and open.
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Not really done a lot in the last decade though has he Maz? You're right, that was impressive in Italy especially, but England weren't exactly a joy to watch, and I didn't like the way he constantly overlooked Barry at the time. He also played Scholes out of position on the left a lot of the time.
We have a manager in place with England now that has arguably an even more impressive CV than Sven, yet the national team still looks bollocks. Sometimes, it simply isn't just the manager that's at fault and it's case that our players are crap on a world level.
I'd rather just judge him on his abilities as a club manager. I certainly wouldn't baulk at Capello purely based on our display at the last World Cup if he suddenly quit England to reside in Lozells, Perry Barr or somewhere equally as exotic.
No fair enough TV, good point. Sven wouldn't be my fist choice, but if he did get the job, I wouldn't be too aggrieved either.
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Capello is so much better than Sven it's almost funny.
I agree, don't judge Sven on his time with England. But his time at City was pretty indicative, and I've always thought of him as a bit tactically inflexible and prone to having players tell him what to do.
That job, since Thaksin took over, has become a basket case of a job.
It broke Sven, it broke Hughes, and I'll have a couple of her majesty's pounds with anyone who thinks Mancini will be their manager at the start of the 2011/12 season.
I agree, but I meant more the football his team played - disjointed, uncoordinated, reactionary. I also remember him playing Heskey wide left in the World Cup, a frankly sub-Ormondroyd move.
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
What's she like?
Nobody knows.
We appointed her then pretended she doesn't exist.
Doesn't even get to do summer fetes, let alone visit sick kids or open new branches of Somerfield these days.
A complete and utter waste of money, we might as well get some munter to do it on half the money.
Her name is Moustafa Salifou? Where do I collect my prize?
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
What's she like?
Nobody knows.
We appointed her then pretended she doesn't exist.
Doesn't even get to do summer fetes, let alone visit sick kids or open new branches of Somerfield these days.
A complete and utter waste of money, we might as well get some munter to do it on half the money.
Could we make some use of Sidwell by sticking him in a wig and a dress and get him to do it, or would people think we had recruited Bonnie Langford?
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I'm beginning to wonder if, say, someone like Sven took over, might they find themselves with Bob Bradley as Assistant Manager?
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I'm beginning to wonder if, say, someone like Sven took over, might they find themselves with Bob Bradley as Assistant Manager?
Sven will bring in Beckham ;)
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Not really done a lot in the last decade though has he Maz? You're right, that was impressive in Italy especially, but England weren't exactly a joy to watch, and I didn't like the way he constantly overlooked Barry at the time. He also played Scholes out of position on the left a lot of the time.
We have a manager in place with England now that has arguably an even more impressive CV than Sven, yet the national team still looks bollocks. Sometimes, it simply isn't just the manager that's at fault and it's case that our players are crap on a world level.
I'd rather just judge him on his abilities as a club manager. I certainly wouldn't baulk at Capello purely based on our display at the last World Cup if he suddenly quit England to reside in Lozells, Perry Barr or somewhere equally as exotic.
No fair enough TV, good point. Sven wouldn't be my fist choice, but if he did get the job, I wouldn't be too aggrieved either.
Same here, and you know full well it would be exciting at least from a transfer front. We would actually sign players from Ivory Coast, France or Spain as opposed to being wastefully linked with them.
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I'm beginning to wonder if, say, someone like Sven took over, might they find themselves with Bob Bradley as Assistant Manager?
wouldn't Sven want to bring Tord Grip along as his assistant?
And let's not forget that Tord Grip played for Villa reserves
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The problem with Sven, he will be trying to shagging Miss Aston Villa down VP before hes even looked at his team..
What's she like?
Nobody knows.
We appointed her then pretended she doesn't exist.
Doesn't even get to do summer fetes, let alone visit sick kids or open new branches of Somerfield these days.
A complete and utter waste of money, we might as well get some munter to do it on half the money.
Is it a dual role with the player liaison officer?
I'm sure if she was good looking the liaisons would keep the players happy.
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Sven would mean we're waiting for a season to hire the new long term manager I'd imagine.
His name would keep us on the map and probably make it easier to appoint his successor, and he'd bring a refreshingly different approach.
It's not ideal but considering the circumstances I'd be optimistic about it.
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Sven would mean we're waiting for a season to hire the new long term manager I'd imagine.
His name would keep us on the map and probably make it easier to appoint his successor, and he'd bring a refreshingly different approach.
It's not ideal but considering the circumstances I'd be optimistic about it.
Not that refreshingly different. The football would be the same, the results the same or possibly slightly worse. The only difference is that the useless players would be coming from everywhere, not just England.
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I'm beginning to wonder if, say, someone like Sven took over, might they find themselves with Bob Bradley as Assistant Manager?
wouldn't Sven want to bring Tord Grip along as his assistant?
And let's not forget that Tord Grip played for Villa reserves
Did we let him go because we couldn't polish a Tord?
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Sven advising on the manager search? Or advising McDonald with team selection. I would prefer him as manager to DOF but as manager with a bried to bring through McDonald to take over in 2 years for example might be worth a look.
Sven did well at City, the wheels fell off when they had a stupidly bad injury list and were forced to play Elano at right back, while having no strikers fit and the flop Bianchi not scoring goals and going back to Italy early.
Plus Bojinov got injured and never played I don't think.
Let me get this right. He had players who never played, a midfielder playing at Right Back and a striker who didn't score goals?
That could work you know.
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Through injury mind, not personality.
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cant see why people are assuming he would only be here a year , that would not give him a chance, id give him a 3 yr contract and i think he would do a decent job , it sure would bring a spark back to the place.
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
Ricky Sbragia. That's all.
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He has said that he doesn't want the job.
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PLease not Sven - he would not give a shit about us only his own profile
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
Ricky Sbragia. That's all.
Tony Barton. That's all.
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
Ricky Sbragia. That's all.
Tony Barton. That's all.
Doesn't the fact that the role of manager is so much more complex now than it was in 1982 mean that you're comparing two totally different scenarios?
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
Ricky Sbragia. That's all.
Tony Barton. That's all.
You mean we're currently league champions, fantastic.
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PLease not Sven - he would not give a shit about us only his own profile
As opposed to the bloke who waltzed off less than a week before the new season.
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
Ricky Sbragia. That's all.
Tony Barton. That's all.
You mean we're currently league champions, fantastic.
To be fair, we're hardly like Sunderland were when Sbragia was manager either, so each of our points is as irrelevant as the other's.
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
Ricky Sbragia. That's all.
Tony Barton. That's all.
Doesn't the fact that the role of manager is so much more complex now than it was in 1982 mean that you're comparing two totally different scenarios?
Even though football itself has evolved, in that ideas behind tactics, sports science and man-management have changed since '82, football management is still essentially picking the best team possible and hoping that they carry out your instructions correctly on the pitch.
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what's alladyce done wrong not to be in with a shout?
He did excellently at Bolton and pulled off some "glamour" signings when he was there.
Things were taking time at Newcastle, but they were impatient and fired him. They went down!
He saved Blackburn from relegation.
He's experienced and wouldn't need any settling in time.
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Allardyce has never shown any indication that he understands football above the "knock it into the box" level.
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I know that's how the media perceive him..but I think that's just too easy to say.
MON was a bit like that...but nobody admitted it. It's all to do with how much each manager can be bothered to do to keep the media on side..
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If that fat Yam-Yam comes anywhere near B6, other than with Blackeye, then I'll shoot him.
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There's a difference. MON saw the football we played, which was much better than anything Allardyce has produced anyway, as a necessity of where we are in the league - unnecessarily so in my opinion, but that's what he did. Allardyce actively encourages this Hughes/Reepian football as a genuine way to win things.
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I still haven't ruled out KMac being made permanent manager. As has been said before he is very ambitious, seems to have good tactical sense, and by the sounds of Friedel's interview yesterday is well-respected by the players. If we beat West Ham well on Saturday he could be rewarded with the job full-time.
Ricky Sbragia. That's all.
Tony Barton. That's all.
You mean we're currently league champions, fantastic.
To be fair, we're hardly like Sunderland were when Sbragia was manager either, so each of our points is as irrelevant as the other's.
To be fair Ricky Sbragia got the job solely because he had a few good results and the players wanted him. To start with he didn't even want the job and it's not as if he did that badly considering they improved only slightly with Bruce at the helm spending Ellis Short's millions.
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If that fat Yam-Yam comes anywhere near B6, other than with Blackeye, then I'll shoot him.
I wouldn't worry about Big Sam - our chairman is now divorced so we wouldn't appeal to him.
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I usually keep it to myself but I don't mind Allardyce, he's a good manager and a few years ago I wanted him to get the England job ahead of McLaren.
But for Villa? No way.
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well, he's not my ideal choice either but between Sven, Southgate, McClaren and Allardyce, I'd choose the latter
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Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere and I'm sorry to 'ITK' everyone but a friend who works in the airport says he saw Sven there earlier today. It sounds like top drawer bullshit but I'm just passing it on. He doesn't support anybody so I'd be inclined to believe him.
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Thankfully there are other choices, other countries ya know.
I'm warming to the idea of Klinnsman. I think that plenty of people (myself included) had lumped him in with Van Basten in the "great player, atrocious manager" group, but hearing him speak about the game, looking at what he did with Germany (the current strategy which paid off so famously at the World Cup was largely thanks to him), the fact that he knows England, wants to play good football - I wouldn't mind him at all. Plus he'd have learnt from his harshly judged time in charge of Bayern. You only really learn by making mistakes.
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Just watched Ian Holloways interview on SSN, that bloke is a breath of fresh air to the prem. If Randy's view is live within our means (which I personally agree with) why not bring Holloway in. He will have a decent squad of players at his disposal with some great young kids coming through, and a few quid to spend. He would get the best out of all of the players with his no nonsense attitude, would not have his favourites so would play the best performers. At least when you went upto Villa Park you know they would all have a right go at the opposition. Yes he has no prem experience but with an experianced no 2 I think he would do well.
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what's alladyce done wrong not to be in with a shout?
He did excellently at Bolton and pulled off some "glamour" signings when he was there.
Things were taking time at Newcastle, but they were impatient and fired him. They went down!
He saved Blackburn from relegation.
He's experienced and wouldn't need any settling in time.
You'll also remember that due to the drab football he got Bolton playing, their attendances were absolutley woeful. Blackburn's are not much better now.
That's a no from the Clampy Jury by the way.
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Allardyce would be the final straw for me I think. Awful, percentage football, no pedigree beyond top 8 and the sweatiest top lip in the game.
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Personally, if we are genuinely entering austere times, then there is no better guy out there than Simon Grayson who has proved that he can manage a big club and on a budget. He could be the new MO'N having earned his stripes.
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Allardyce would be the final straw for me I think. Awful, percentage football, no pedigree beyond top 8 and the sweatiest top lip in the game.
Couldn't agree more.
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Allardyce would be the final straw for me I think. Awful, percentage football, no pedigree beyond top 8 and the sweatiest top lip in the game.
Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't disagree more with either of you
Rio Ferdinand has got the sweatiest top lip in the game
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Rio Ferdinand looks like a cow chewing grass when he speaks.
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Rio Ferdinand looks like he should be a character from the Simpsons
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If you get Sven, you had better lock up your wives, mothers, daughters, dogs and cats. He started well at city, but was clueless near the end and he does like to spend lots of cash. One good thing he has never lost a match against fergiescum and his rag army, so you will get at least six points
Cheers
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Chris, what was the football like under Sven at City? About where on the spectrum from Bielsa's Chile (cavalier attack to the point of madness) to Dunga's Brazil (suicidally depressing and pragmatic)?
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Tony Pulis???
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Tony Pulis???
That should please the footballing purists.
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If you get Sven, you had better lock up your wives, mothers, daughters, dogs and cats. He started well at city, but was clueless near the end and he does like to spend lots of cash. One good thing he has never lost a match against fergiescum and his rag army, so you will get at least six points
Cheers
Was he clueless because of the back room goings on and the injuries though? There was all sorts of madness with Elano right back etc wasn't there?
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Tony Pulis???
That should please the footballing purists.
Just putting it out there.
Looking for someone not on the above list because it is depressing me that much!
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Have some taken leave of there senses? Sam Allardyce? Give me strength, I’m sure that would alleviate the tricky situation we find ourselves in.
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Looking for someone not on the above list because it is depressing me that much!
How depressed must you be if the prospect of Tony Pulis managing Villa cheers you up?
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To be fair Monty, the football was great to start with, but then Elano was an unknown qyantity and we had been used to watching absolute dross under Beanie Pearce (10 home goals all season), but it went pear shaped as it usually does at city! And yeah tbf to Sven, the boardroom wranglings with Shinawatra didnt help.
I would say though, he seems to know more players in Europe than anyone else and players do like to play for him. He wouldnt be the best for Villa but he would be better than Curbishley or Pulis for example.
You can have David Platt of us though if you want.
I think Glenn hoddle would be a decent punt for Villa
gets tin hat on
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The thing about Klinsmann, though, is that didn't he refuse to move from California back to that Germany when he took the national job?
If so, is he going to do that to take a club job?
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I would say though, he seems to know more players in Europe than anyone else and players do like to play for him. He wouldnt be the best for Villa but he would be better than Curbishley or Pulis for example.
Then again, who wouldn't?
You can have David Platt of us though if you want.
Ah yes, him for one.
I'd sooner have the mental Corrie David Platt than Spoonface.
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Not a Hoddle fan, along with, I suspect, the disabled contingent at VP.
Also, I hate David Platt. So do most of us now. To an outsider it must seem illogical as he was a great player for us, but ever since he left he's spouted pure poison about us and nothing else.
Klinnsman had no trouble moving to Munich for the Bayern job. He didn't think it was necessary to move back when German manager as that is, pretty much, part time. Club management is different, and he knows it.
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I genuinely cannot understand why Simon Grayson isn't on that list.
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I genuinely cannot understand why Simon Grayson isn't on that list.
Not managed outside the third division, though, has he?
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Klinsmann third favourite with pretty much everyone now, I see.
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Looking for someone not on the above list because it is depressing me that much!
How depressed must you be if the prospect of Tony Pulis managing Villa cheers you up?
It doesnt....the fact that I would prefer him to half the names on the list doesnt either.
Before I go into outright depression I might point out that 57.4% of the above votes are for 2 managers we wont get. Moyes not interested and Ajax wont let Jol go.
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Chico, haha, while 'Plug' is a contender I still think 'Big' Sam is the champ with regards to sweat-drenched upper lip.
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Klinsmann third favourite with pretty much everyone now, I see.
I would add Klinsmann to the list of managers we wont get. He is waiting for an established CL club with a bit of cash to spend. We are neither.
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The thing about Klinsmann, though, is that didn't he refuse to move from California back to that Germany when he took the national job?
If so, is he going to do that to take a club job?
I always felt that Joachim Low was the real talent as coach when Klinsmann was in charge and he's done pretty well since Klinsmann went back to his beachfront mansion and surfer-dude VW Camper.
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Klinsmann third favourite with pretty much everyone now, I see.
I would add Klinsmann to the list of managers we wont get. He is waiting for an established CL club with a bit of cash to spend. We are neither.
I don't see why, and I don't see that he's necessarily first choice for those sorts of clubs. Villa could be the type of job he's looking for.
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For me it has to be a dream team pairing of Diego Maradona and Ian Holloway. I can't see any of the mentioned names getting us to stay in 6th place so if nothing else I should hope to be chuckling my tits off. We would then be a classier version of Man City. The media would love us too, something we have become slightly used to.
No ex-players please, it hurts when the fans turn on them when times are hard.
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If Pellegrini could speak English, he would be my first choice. I still want Jol, or Martinez, and I think both are achievable.
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Here's something random.
On Saturday (when Randy had also flown back to the States) Klinsmann was visiting Seattle Sounders, who are owned by a friend of his, Drew Carey.
Drew Carey is a native of Cleveland, and a close friend of the Lerner family. He also supports Villa.
Although, like they often do over there, not just us
"Plus, I follow Barcelona in the Spanish League and Chelsea, Aston Villa and Fulham in the English Premier League."
Klinsmann was wanted by Lerner first time around.
Therefore, I put it to you, that what might seem like a tenuous series of links is actually proof that our next manager will be Klinsmann.
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Well, Klinnsman WAS second choice last time around. That's not a tenuous link.
The others are, frankly, brilliant.
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if its an emergency appointment for 12 months, i'd rather have Big Ron or Brian Little in than Svennis,
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Well, Klinnsman WAS second choice last time around. That's not a tenuous link.
The others are, frankly, brilliant.
I had a tenner at 16/1 yesterday, Monty.
After my MON as first to leave cashbonanza, I reckon I'm on a streak.
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if its an emergency appointment for 12 months, i'd rather have Big Ron or Brian Little in than Svennis,
Big Ron is too old. Brian Little I could live with.
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Well, Klinnsman WAS second choice last time around. That's not a tenuous link.
The others are, frankly, brilliant.
I had a tenner at 16/1 yesterday, Monty.
After my MON as first to leave cashbonanza, I reckon I'm on a streak.
Damn you, you've jinxed it!
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if its an emergency appointment for 12 months, i'd rather have Big Ron or Brian Little in than Svennis,
Big Ron is too old. Brian Little I could live with.
how old is that Hiddink fella everyone likes ?
sorry meant Hitzfield
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200/1 for Ranieri is a decent bet as an outsider.
I would be lumping my money on Sven the way it is going though.
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Well, Klinnsman WAS second choice last time around. That's not a tenuous link.
The others are, frankly, brilliant.
I had a tenner at 16/1 yesterday, Monty.
After my MON as first to leave cashbonanza, I reckon I'm on a streak.
Damn you, you've jinxed it!
I'd only want Klinsmann if he bought Joachim Loew with him,as I think he was the brains and Klinsmann was the....not sure what he was.
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I wonder what Phil Brown's doing with himself these days.
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Well, Klinnsman WAS second choice last time around. That's not a tenuous link.
The others are, frankly, brilliant.
I had a tenner at 16/1 yesterday, Monty.
After my MON as first to leave cashbonanza, I reckon I'm on a streak.
Damn you, you've jinxed it!
I'd only want Klinsmann if he bought Joachim Loew with him,as I think he was the brains and Klinsmann was the....not sure what he was.
I've heard this trotted out a bit recently and I'm not sure I get it.
If Klinsmann picked Loew as his assistant, that would indicate to me that he's not particularly lacking grey matter either. Plus the DFB and German supporters in general all wanted Klinsmann to stay on after the WC in 2006. Loew was the consolation prize.
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I wonder what Phil Brown's doing with himself these days.
http://twitter.com/philbrowndole
@martoneill make sure you get your housing bennys covered first, roll out the missus for some incapacity benefits too
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Kilinsmann could probably teach Young a thing or two about diving ;)
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A Jol and Sid combo would do me nicely
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A Jol and Sid combo would do me nicely
I'd love to see Sid get some sort of promotion.
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A Jol and Sid combo would do me nicely
That's not such a crazy idea, actually. Mind you, Sid's doing such a good job with the youth team I'd like to see him continue it.
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Kilinsmann could probably teach Young a thing or two about diving ;)
Every teacher needs a star pupil - step forward Ashley Young
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Kilinsmann could probably teach Young a thing or two about diving ;)
Every teacher needs a star pupil - step forward Ashley Young
Or rather, fall forward Ashley Young.
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Kilinsmann could probably teach Young a thing or two about diving ;)
Every teacher needs a star pupil - step forward Ashley Young
Or rather, fall forward Ashley Young.
I am sure he could perfect Heskey's tumbling too. Tumble forward Emile.
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Here's something random.
On Saturday (when Randy had also flown back to the States) Klinsmann was visiting Seattle Sounders, who are owned by a friend of his, Drew Carey.
Drew Carey is a native of Cleveland, and a close friend of the Lerner family. He also supports Villa.
Although, like they often do over there, not just us
"Plus, I follow Barcelona in the Spanish League and Chelsea, Aston Villa and Fulham in the English Premier League."
Klinsmann was wanted by Lerner first time around.
Therefore, I put it to you, that what might seem like a tenuous series of links is actually proof that our next manager will be Klinsmann.
I'll see you random and I'll raise you.
Got an email of a cousin in the States who was watching the US v Brazil game last night. Quite unusual under those circumstances for any mention of The Villa to crop up, but it did.
Specifically: about Bob Bradley. Not in the frame, according to John Harkes (now a pundit over there) who had spoken to both Brad Friedel and a club official. Word on the street is we've confined the search to Italy and Germany.
Is Klinsmann still in the Fatherland or is he back in the US? I have no idea.
Hopefully rules out Svennis though.
Oh, and as for Allardyce: much as I admire his unique approach to man management: (http://twitter.com/TheBig_Sam)
"Big Chris Samba shit himself in training today. Had a dicky tummy after drinking too much orange juice and couldn't get to the bog on time.
"Luckily I had a spare pair of denim shorts in my office so I showered him, changed him and sent him home in a taxi.
@RocknRollStar83 he was crying as I hosed him down. "Do you still love me, boss??" he whimpered. God love him."
I wouldn't want him anywhere near VP all the same.
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Ha ha, brilliant Big Sam stuff.
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Italy and Germany by nationality maybe? In either case, Klinnsman has a house or two in the Vaterland, and if you're unemployed I suppose it doesn't matter.
What Italian would we get though? Perplexing.
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Italy and Germany by nationality maybe? In either case, Klinnsman has a house or two in the Vaterland, and if you're unemployed I suppose it doesn't matter.
What Italian would we get though? Perplexing.
*checks oddschecker for price on Ranieri*
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What Italian would we get though? Perplexing.
Ranieri
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199/1 Betfair.
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Oh, not a chance of getting Ranieri, not a hope. The man's a bit of a psychotic Roman, and as we know from the likes of Bruno Conti, Francesco Totti and Daniele De Rossi, psychotic Romans don't leave Roma. Obviously it's slightly different for managers, but it's his dream job, they nearly won the Scudetto last year and have a real chance of doing so this coming year with Mourinho gone, they're in the Champions' League - in short, he's not leaving all that to come to B6 I'm afraid.
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No idea Monts, can't even verify it as I didn't see the game.
I could understand him talking to Friedel as an ex teammate, but the club official part makes little sense to me. In saying that, John Harkes was the first semi respectable US player to make a name for himself in England, so maybe he is on speaking terms with some of our American management.
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Italy and Germany by nationality maybe? In either case, Klinnsman has a house or two in the Vaterland, and if you're unemployed I suppose it doesn't matter.
What Italian would we get though? Perplexing.
*checks oddschecker for price on Ranieri*
200-1
Shorter odds on Collymore, Venglos or Bosnich. Would be the mother of all inspired punts if it came off.
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Italy and Germany by nationality maybe? In either case, Klinnsman has a house or two in the Vaterland, and if you're unemployed I suppose it doesn't matter.
Is Joachem Loew still the German national team manager?
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Italy and Germany by nationality maybe? In either case, Klinnsman has a house or two in the Vaterland, and if you're unemployed I suppose it doesn't matter.
Is Joachem Loew still the German national team manager?
Certainly is, and the most popular one since Beckenbauer since the World Cup.
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Painting with broad strokes perhaps, but a German coach/manager would have a similar (though hopefully more refined) approach to the Northern European style of football and they generally learn English as a second language from a young age.
We've seen with Ramos (Spanish I know) and even Ranieri/ Cappello the problems a highly rated manager can have if he isn't fluent in the language.
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The style of football is less of an issue than the language, which as you say is a big advantage for a German, Dutch or Scandinavian coach. Wenger has proven that stylistic and cultural differences can be thoroughly overcome if you can speak the language well, which he can.
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That Big Sam Twitter feed is pure comedy genius:
The miracle of birth never fails to take my breath away. How an entire human being can slide out of a minge is truly staggering.
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That Big Sam Twitter feed is pure comedy genius:
The miracle of birth never fails to take my breath away. How an entire human being can slide out of a minge is truly staggering.
TheBig_Sam
I forgot all about training today. My secretary rings while I'm in the middle of my morning wank. Made her wait on the line til I finished.
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She nervously asked: "Where are you, Mr Allardyce?" I replied: "In paradise, Ethel. I'm in fucking paradise."
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The style of football is less of an issue than the language, which as you say is a big advantage for a German, Dutch or Scandinavian coach. Wenger has proven that stylistic and cultural differences can be thoroughly overcome if you can speak the language well, which he can.
By style of play I mean the approach.
In so far as Italians are more comfortable with safety first attritional football, and a new manager rocking up there would face little criticism if he set up a side to defend from the front and bore the opposition into submission. There are a few who've bucked the trend over the years of course. But any new manager coming into VP and presiding over the above would pretty soon exhaust any initial goodwill that had come his way.
Traditionally there has been a notable difference between the styles of play of most Northern Europeans, the UK and Scandinavian sides playing a more direct game, the Germans relying on strength and tactical nous and the Dutch being different still, with a 'purer' approach to the game. The lines have blurred over the years, so that even different sides in those different domestic leagues will all play a variation of the above. But the focus has generally always been on the attack, rather than the defensive. So a manager/ coach moving around those leagues should -in theory- find the transition somewhat easier.
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That Big Sam Twitter feed is pure comedy genius:
The miracle of birth never fails to take my breath away. How an entire human being can slide out of a minge is truly staggering.
TheBig_Sam
I forgot all about training today. My secretary rings while I'm in the middle of my morning wank. Made her wait on the line til I finished.
I found this strangely erotic too:
@fourquadrate depends what I'm up to, squire. I'm just wearing a Juicy Couture tracksuit today. It's cute and sexy, but still sensible.
All 15+ stone of Big Slobbering Sam squeezed into a woman's Juicy Couture tracksuit.
Enduring image.
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Well that's a specific issue with Italian football then (as they are easily the most defensive country in Latin Europe). However, only radicals with a lot of cajones impose their style of play come what may on a club in a new country - again, Wenger springs to mind. Most tend to adapt to their new countries pretty quickly. It's a peculiar habit, but managers always seem to do it.
I would also argue whether England, Norway and especially Germany have focussed "generally always on the attack". England's World Cup victory was one for defensive, reactionary football, Liverpool had great success with largely functional, positional football, Norway against England was a sit-deep and counter-attack contest in the early nineties, and the Germans - well, their team in the eighties was one of the most deathly tedious and dislikeable teams imaginable.
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Ha ha, brilliant Big Sam stuff.
Does he really write that stuff?
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Ha ha, brilliant Big Sam stuff.
Does he really write that stuff?
Oh, Phil.
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Ha ha, brilliant Big Sam stuff.
Does he really write that stuff?
Oh, Phil.
Well I don't know I can't use twitter ;)
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I'm not on it either.
Just google The Big Sam twitter.
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I don't "say" owt on it, I just do that on Facebook, but my Twitter account just follows all these fake football managers, and a few football journalists.
Just spotted this one.
martoneill
Day 2 on the scratcher: Got out of bed around noon, made some French toast, now starting a new season of Football Manager on my laptop.
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Moyes is my choice. can find a bargain unlike the last guy. doesn't walk out when he's got no money, unlike the last guy. Has some idea of the necessity of tactics and substitutions unlike the last guy.
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Moyes is my choice. can find a bargain unlike the last guy. doesn't walk out when he's got no money, unlike the last guy. Has some idea of the necessity of tactics and substitutions unlike the last guy.
He's ruled himself out though
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Moyes is my choice. can find a bargain unlike the last guy. doesn't walk out when he's got no money, unlike the last guy. Has some idea of the necessity of tactics and substitutions unlike the last guy.
He's ruled himself out though
Means nothing. Good PR and all that, we maybe haven't asked him yet.
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Typical Greg, picking somebody he knows we won't get so he can then moan about whoever we eventually do appoint. Scamp!
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reckon we'd get him if we made it worth his while. No transfer budget and he might as well stay at everton.
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Moyes is my choice. can find a bargain unlike the last guy. doesn't walk out when he's got no money, unlike the last guy. Has some idea of the necessity of tactics and substitutions unlike the last guy.
He's ruled himself out though
Means nothing. Good PR and all that, we maybe haven't asked him yet.
Hope your right, I just can't see him leaving unless its UTD
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Alright Greg, great plan, let's just become richer. Ideas?
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Alright Greg, great plan, let's just become richer. Ideas?
Sue MON for all the money he pissed up the wall. 30m should help
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Not overjoyed with Sven being odds on at many bookies now :(
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Not overjoyed with Sven being odds on at many bookies now :(
It does explain the Ireland transfer... a couple of Villatalk ITKs (?) have in the last ten minute hinted the Ireland deal will go ahead tomorrow, Sven to follow perhaps. Not my 1st choice but I can see it happening.
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Not overjoyed with Sven being odds on at many bookies now :(
It does explain the Ireland transfer... a couple of Villatalk ITKs (?) have in the last ten minute hinted the Ireland deal will go ahead tomorrow, Sven to follow perhaps. Not my 1st choice but I can see it happening.
They've said nothing about Sven, just Ireland. Which is good news.
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Are these the Villatalk ITKs who've had Milner at Manchester City by the end of every week for the past two months?
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Not overjoyed with Sven being odds on at many bookies now :(
It does explain the Ireland transfer... a couple of Villatalk ITKs (?) have in the last ten minute hinted the Ireland deal will go ahead tomorrow, Sven to follow perhaps. Not my 1st choice but I can see it happening.
They've said nothing about Sven, just Ireland. Which is good news.
The Sven link was purely Atomicjam lazy journalism! I just feel it may well be him.
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Are these the Villatalk ITKs who've had Milner at Manchester City by the end of every week for the past two months?
Sure is! they will get it right eventually ha ha..
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Well, according to Oddschecker all but three bookies have suspended betting on our next manager. I assume that means Sven is on his way?
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Well, according to Oddschecker all but three bookies have suspended betting on our next manager. I assume that means Sven is on his way?
Just checked, doesn't appear that way to me? unless im being stupid...
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i just cant see Sven as being the sort of character that Randy would go for,
i just dont see the fit between the two,
knowing all about Sven's of field activities i cant see Randy being the man to think, 'thats the man i want at Villa'
i know his record is good, but just not sure Randy will be keen
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Bookies will often suspend markets over night for markets like this.
It is totally normal
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I'm getting this:
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6253/oddsy.jpg)
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Bookies will often suspend markets over night for markets like this.
It is totally normal
Bah, what would you know about online gambling anyway!
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I'm getting this:
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6253/oddsy.jpg)
Think as above that just means suspended overnight, as all the othere are the same. that said I know very little about betting, so ignore me
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Svennis as a short-term measure, with the option to review after a year might be OK.
I can't say I'd be overly keen, as we know it would largely be the wages he would bag that would be his main motivation.
He signed a rake of players at Man Citeh, some of them for astronomical fees and they started well. Yet by the end of the campaign they hated each other. None of his purchases had anything like a longterm impact at the place. Not entirely surprising when you consider the turnover in staff up there in the past few years, but still.
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if I were a betting man I would put my house on Kevin MacDonald still being in charge on Saturday.
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if I were a betting man I would put my house on Kevin MacDonald still being in charge on Saturday.
Would you be so keen to bet on him still being there for the Vienna game?
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if I were a betting man I would put my house on Kevin MacDonald still being in charge on Saturday.
Would you be so keen to bet on him still being there for the Vienna game?
Not quite.
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Re betting odds list: How the buggery does Billy Davies get a mention!!! ARRGH !... I would rather have Mike Bassett in charge.
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Moyes won't come and that it totally understandable. EFC fans really think they have a great chance of getting back into the top four this year....
I don't think there's anyone on here who wouldn't want Moyes at Villa park.....however, I can think of only one reason that could/should be at the back of his mind, namely, if he continues at Everton, then when a really big job comes up, say at UTD, they may still opt for someone like mourihno because he has so much more experience. However, if Moyes left EFC and enjoyed even greater success at a club with more resources, then surely that would be enough to satisfy any lingering doubts about how he would handle a bigger transfer budget etc...
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I thought I would pass this along,
Bob Bradley gave a farewell speech to his players after the Brazil game. This was being reported during the RedBull game tonight.
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I'm thinking Bob Bradley, Lerner wants to lower the wage bill. He'd be cheaper than Sven.
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I would rather have Mike Bassett in charge.
But Mike Bassett quit the job on Monday leaving us in the shit and you want him back?
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I thought I would pass this along,
Bob Bradley gave a farewell speech to his players after the Brazil game. This was being reported during the RedBull game tonight.
Interesting. Whilst almost everybody seems to have written him off, I wonder how much people actually know about him apart from having no PL experience?
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I think Randy will want somebody that reflects how he wants to portray the club over the next few years. He wants to build the club and so I feel that this will be important to him. He will see the manager as long term that obviously shares his view on how the club is to develop. He thought he had got this with MON. I did as well but we were both wrong.
I look back at the world cup and think how refreshing the German team was compared with others and that type of approach is something that I would like for Villa. I think this type of approach could grow our fan base.
Who that manager is, I am not sure.
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ASTON VILLA need to convince Ashley Young not to follow manager Martin O’Neill out the door.
Young’s agent is meeting chief executive Paul Faulkner and wants to know what owner Randy Lerner’s plans for the club are before committing his client to a new four-year deal.
Lerner issued a sketchy statement yesterday that gave no detail as to why O’Neill suddenly quit on Monday, but did hint at stricter economies at the club.
Young, who has two years remaining on his current deal, is Villa’s highest earner on £65,000 a week and would be looking for an increase to stay – which does not fit with Lerner’s desire to slash a £70 million wage bill.
It was O’Neill’s reluctance to enforce Lerner’s edict that wages must be reduced that led to the sudden parting of the ways, leaving Villa in deep trouble with no manager on the eve of the new Premier League season. Lerner has refused to meet the media and explain what happened but said in a brief statement: “I can say only that we no longer shared a common view as to how to move forward.”
‘Young needs answers from Villa’
That does not explain what kind of club Young will be playing for next season. Only three months ago, Lerner was buoyant and upbeat. He said the rumours O’Neill was unhappy were untrue and that he was staying.
Lerner said Champions League football was still the ambition and although money for transfers would be tighter and there was a need to sell to buy, the manager would be supported in the transfer market.
Young will want to know how things have changed to such an extent that O’Neill, who bought him from Watford and turned him into one of the country’s top players, walked out.
There would be a strong option for Young to go to Totteham and play Champions League football if what he hears from Faulkner does not match his ambitions.
For Lerner to lose Young now on top of O’Neill’s resignation would be a blow from which he would struggle to recover with fans still asking what happened to their manager and not getting a full answer.
A crowd of 38,000 is expected for Villa’s home game with West Ham on Saturday when Lerner, and what seems to be his new finance policy, will be on trial.
“There have been no changes in our approach to building the club, aiming always to be as competitive as possible given our size and resources,” his statement read. That, without clarity from Lerner, looks as if it means Villa will have to live within their means from now on. If that is the policy, it explains why O’Neill quit.
His brief was to partner Lerner in an attempt to restore Aston Villa to one of the leading clubs in the country, something they have not been since the early Eighties. O’Neill was under the impression that Lerner understood it would be a long-term project to revive Villa and that he would support him with money as the club built slowly season after season.
But it could be that Lerner, who had no experience of English football before buying Villa from Doug Ellis, has only now realised that the club cannot support a big squad of players on huge salaries. It would seem now that Lerner and Faulkner will run a tighter ship, with wages reduced, the outcome of which will be Villa sliding and becoming a mid-table team at best.
“Having had some time to reflect on Martin leaving, I can say that our most immediate focus is supporting [caretaker manager] Kevin MacDonald and resolving the situation with Manchester City and James Milner,” the Lerner statement added.
The Milner deal is expected to go through today with Villa getting £18m plus Stephen Ireland, valued at £10m.
The fact that Ireland is still joining Villa will impress Young, but he and his agent will need specific answers on what future path the club are taking
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1302222/Who-Aston-Villa-boss-Sportsmail-takes-look-contenders.html
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This is the only article I could find on it, http://worldsoccerreader.com/2010/08/bob-bradley-set-to-depart-as-us-manager/ (http://worldsoccerreader.com/2010/08/bob-bradley-set-to-depart-as-us-manager/) but rumors are flying that Bob Bradley did leave the USA men's team, This could mean that he is going to DC United in MLS but I really doubt that. If Bob did leave you can cross off Klinsman he would be the next USA coach.
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Let's assume for a second it was Bradley. Is that such a bad thing? He's a proven coach and has got a lot out of the US national team in his tenure. The US aren't exactly a laughing stock in world football and they did brilliantly at the Confederations Cup in South Africa beating Spain and nearly beating Brazil. So he has a good amount of tactical ability, something MON was criticized for not being able to adapt in certain situations.
Granted he has no knowledge of the PL but then we've had manager's with more than enough knowledge and it's only gotten us so far. He's well respected in North America, and will have experience at international level. He's a lot better than some of the candidates we've been linked with and may be more appointable than the likes of Jol. I'd certainly be willing to give him a chance. If he brought of over his son and Landon Donovan they would be two very good signings.
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I don't see Bradley as necessarly a disaster, but it would be a big risk
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Full Disclosure : American Crystal Palace Fan
MON got Villa in a bind because he gave too many first team contracts to players he decided on not playing. Personally I don't think the Board of Villa will allow themselves to get put in that position again. Either they'll get involved more heavily in the negotiating process (no more free reign to managers) or they'll introduce the Continental System to Villa.
If Villa introduce the Continental System with a Director of Football to keep the costs in line with revenue and manage player aquisitions and signings, then odds are you're getting Bradley. As an FYI, the 'Continental System' is also the system used by every professional team here in the US.
PS - If you do get Bradley, don't panic. He's a good honest straight talking person (ala Hodgson), he's good tactically (good, not great) and an excellent man manager that squeezes the most out of each player.
Good luck to all you Villan's in the days ahead regardless of who is chosen
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Why on earth would Moyes leave Everton for villa? They probably have as much money - certainly less pressure to reduce costs - arguably a better squad and he's venerated there.
All those who wanted MON out (eg Greg) need to come up with a more credible suggestion. For all his faults, MON would be the best realistic candidate on that list, with the possible exception of Jol, who may also be unattainable (I hope not tho)
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I thought I would pass this along,
Bob Bradley gave a farewell speech to his players after the Brazil game. This was being reported during the RedBull game tonight.
The rumor bouncing around all the US soccer boards are that the Brazil game was Bob's farewell game and that they are lining up Klinsmann to take over as USMNT coach. Of course all of this could just be BS.
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I thought I would pass this along,
Bob Bradley gave a farewell speech to his players after the Brazil game. This was being reported during the RedBull game tonight.
The rumor bouncing around all the US soccer boards are that the Brazil game was Bob's farewell game and that they are lining up Klinsmann to take over as USMNT coach. Of course all of this could just be BS.
I think that Klinsmann still lives Stateside. When I was in the USA during the World Cup there was already talk of him taking over from Bradley regardless of how the team did in South Africa
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Could it be Sven as DoF and Bradley as coach then? With the fall back that Sven is very capable of advising and taking over if Bob is crap.
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Dudley born, intimate knowledge of the Premier League, a background of being able to attract and play non Englisg players with fab technical ability.
What's not to like ( managerial wise) ? - Newcastle was always a hard challenge - way harder than Villa.
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Someone not in the voting list on here but has villa links and some managerial experience in the world stage.....
Staunton anyone ?
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I thought klinsmann had signed to be espns analyst on their premier league football this season with keegan?
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Daz do you want to be banned for foul and abusive language? No suggestion has made me shudder more so far!
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lol.....more of throw the name into the ring rather than suggest !
I will send the "bull" into the "ring" to get rid of straight away
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Someone not in the voting list on here but has villa links and some managerial experience in the world stage.....
Staunton anyone ?
I hope you are the only one. I don't want to see us playing that long ball shite.
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Thers surely no way randy would be stupid enough to go for bob Bradley-total red herring in my eyes.
Surely randy will go for someone who has worked or played in the premiership, of which Sven, klinsmann, bilic and jol all qualify.
Bob Bradley wouldn't even keep us up- any of those 4 would keep us in the top 8 at worst!
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This mornings Guardian suggests Randy wont be rushed into a decision.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/12/aston-villa-martin-oneill-successor
Aston Villa are considering giving Kevin MacDonald an extended spell in charge to buy themselves some time to find a successor to Martin O'Neill.
Villa have been inundated with applications since O'Neill quit as manager on Monday but the club are determined not to be rushed into a decision and are now prepared to let MacDonald remain in post for a couple of weeks, possibly even longer.
MacDonald, the reserve-team manager, was given the job on a caretaker basis on Monday, when O'Neill handed in his resignation and caught everyone at Villa by surprise. Randy Lerner, the Villa chairman, flew into England the following morning to meet Paul Faulkner, the club's chief executive, to begin drawing up a shortlist and assessing the merits of those interested. However they have since come to the conclusion that the process could take some time.
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Bob Bradley would be a Josef Venglos type risk. Respected for his work elsewhere, but dose'nt know the english game very well. It's a risk we can't afford to take.
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Yes.
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Could it be Sven as DoF and Bradley as coach then? With the fall back that Sven is very capable of advising and taking over if Bob is crap.
This is what I think stands a good chance of happening, too, although it may not be Sven I suppose. I have to say, and I suspect I might be rather alone in this opinion, that I think that might just work. I believe Bradley is a very good coach, and, with a 'guiding hand' with regard to transfers/the general hurly-burly of Premier League football, might just be able to 'step up to the plate'.
It would be a risk, but if it happened I think we'd be just fine. Not the 'safest' option, but not the worst, either.
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Someone not in the voting list on here but has villa links and some managerial experience in the world stage.....
Staunton anyone ?
Don't want to see that useless sack of shit anywhere near Villa Park again, much less as manager of our great club.
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let MacDonald remain in post for a couple of weeks, possibly even longer.
I've nothing against giving him a chance but my cynical sidesays that it would be a convenient way to not have to spend any money on transfers.
If it is Bradley my biggest worry would be that he has no experience in the transfer market. It seems as though wheeling and dealing is now the order of the day at VP and I'm not sure he's the best man for that.
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Dudley born, intimate knowledge of the Premier League, a background of being able to attract and play non Englisg players with fab technical ability.
What's not to like ( managerial wise) ? - Newcastle was always a hard challenge - way harder than Villa.
Will you cut it out? I thought you were on a wind up initially but that’s about the fifth time you have mentioned his name, do you not think that we could do just a little better than Fat Sam?
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Thers surely no way randy would be stupid enough to go for bob Bradley-total red herring in my eyes.
Surely randy will go for someone who has worked or played in the premiership, of which Sven, klinsmann, bilic and jol all qualify.
Bob Bradley wouldn't even keep us up- any of those 4 would keep us in the top 8 at worst!
if Arsenal had your narrow view on managers, they would have never appointed Wenger
you and i know very little about Bradley, yes it would be a big risk, but so was Wenger like i said, and that didnt turn out to bad
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Except Wenger at managed in Europe, at a decent level too.
Bradley would be an absolute disaster, this has made me very worried.
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Except Wenger at managed in Europe, at a decent level too.
Bradley would be an absolute disaster, this has made me very worried.
Why do you think an 'absolute disaster', then?
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Except Wenger at managed in Europe, at a decent level too.
Bradley would be an absolute disaster, this has made me very worried.
As I said the other day, he's the cheap option and in the current climate that might clinch it. He'd also be very grateful and therefore more pliable and likely to do exactly what he was told.
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Except Wenger at managed in Europe, at a decent level too.
Bradley would be an absolute disaster, this has made me very worried.
Bradley's managed at International level, also at a decent level,
i'm not saying i want him or like him, i just dont know much about him, so its difficult to dismis him as a no hoper, on such little evidence
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Could it be Sven as DoF and Bradley as coach then? With the fall back that Sven is very capable of advising and taking over if Bob is crap.
I think one man has to be in charge. I don't think that sort of relationship ever works out. There's always a conflict in those situations I think.
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Bob Bradley's side in the World Cup was a big physical unit that played to set pieces. Anyone who thinks we'd see the desired footballing improvement under him is mistaken.
I agree he sounds like the cheap option 'yes man' who will do as he's told. Randy will go down in my estimation if this is the case.
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Bob Bradley's side in the World Cup was a big physical unit that played to set pieces. Anyone who thinks we'd see the desired footballing improvement under him is mistaken.
I agree he sounds like the cheap option 'yes man' who will do as he's told. Randy will go down in my estimation if this is the case.
if thats true, i wont be happy with that sort of football,
but i cant remember to many of there goals in the WC being scored from set pieces,
and Donavan is hardly a big physical unit,
but i dont know and you might well be right
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Would Bradley be that cheap though?
Wouldn't he be on a good salary as the boss of the USA national side?
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if you had a free £50 quid bet this morning who would you stick it on .
i would go £25 - Klinsman, and £25 - Bradley
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There is no obvious choice is there? As Randy's decision to stretch out the appointment process validates.
A concern is who is advising them on a managerial appointment? Their football admininstration management has been good to date, but how clued up are they to make this appointment?
Jol is the fan's favourite, although I do not think he should be by the margin the poll suggests. I see no reason why MON's "buy British" policy should be discontinued, it has been a unique selling point for us. Although I share others' reservations about Sven, his agent, Athol Still is on a par with Pina Zahavi as a global "super-agent" which could help deliver some of the qulaity foreign additions some of our support crave.
My favourite continues to be Frank Rijkaard, getting him from Galatasaray should not be difficult, he has a distinguished playing and managerial track record, he speaks good English , culturally he would fit, and would offer an International perspective without wrecking the British backbone of the team.His lack of Prem knowledge counts against him, but it didnt do Ancelloti and Wenger any harm.
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Im warming to the idea of Klinsman if im honest. High profile and would get us on the map. Seems to be fairly well respected all round (despite his spell at bayern) bring him on I say.
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Who then Dave P ?
Yes.
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Joachim Low please he'd be my top choice, I think he'd be perfect. He's had relative success at club level (maybe still something to prove?) and has since got the German team playing fantastic stuff after their "crisis period". Also was supposedly the brains behind Klinsmann. He's a big name in world football without ever really manging a top club side. He can pull off the awesome combo of sweater/jacket with ease and must have a decent chance of pulling in some of Germany's up and coming talent.
Just imagine being 3-0 up against the filth, 20 minutes to go. Low and Hans-Dieter Flick patrolling the technical area in matching smart casual attire, with that unshakable air of German confidence and superiority. Casting over a dismissive glance to a sweaty Big Eck letting him know his place is well and truly below us.....ahhh yeah, I think I just had Max Moseley moment.
But would we stand a chance of landing him? I think it would take a lot to get him away from der vaterland.
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£25 on klinsmann, and £25 on sven!
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Lot's of reasons why Bradley would be wrong.
No experience of club management in a proper league
No experience of English football
No experience of European football
Would not command the respect of the current players
Not a big enough name to attract players to the club
USA were hardly great to watch, tactically astute, or mega successful
It would be a decision based on "being American just like Randy" rather than a purely football decision.
Wrong on so many levels.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Bob Bradley probably knows more about the PL than we do about him, to be honest.
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The more I think about it, the more I think Sven is our best bet.
Proven track record at club level, very few can compare with.
His season at City proves he is still capable of it.
The media have made him into a sort of a joke figure in England because he 'only' managed to get the England team to the Q/F.
(Not a bad achievement compared to his predecessors).
Dunne and Ireland (if he arrives) both are familiar and flourished under him at City.
He handed Downing his England debut.
As we saw when he took over City, he has the contacts in the game to move quickly in the transfer market and buy quality.
Remember those heady days when Thaksin took over.
Moyes, Jol and Klinsmann aren't going to happen, so this just seems the most logical.
I fear it wont make much difference though...the owner no longer believes in us getting in the top 4.
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I think Sven as well. Get him in with some sort of clause to review next Summer, he'll hold the fort and raise the gloom.
Then we can maybe try and get our number 1 man (Moyes?) next year and keep Sven sweet to use his scouting contacts.
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I fear it wont make much difference though...the owner no longer believes in us getting in the top 4.
Rubbish. Not wanting to pay big wages to players who aren't playing is not a signal Randy has no ambition to finish in the top 4 any more.
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Lot's of reasons why Bradley would be wrong.
No experience of club management in a proper league
No experience of English football
No experience of European football
Would not command the respect of the current players
Not a big enough name to attract players to the club
USA were hardly great to watch, tactically astute, or mega successful
It would be a decision based on "being American just like Randy" rather than a purely football decision.
Wrong on so many levels.
Not much to disagree with there. He needs to earn his spurs at a lower league club first, and acclimatise to the english game.
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To be honest ive been on Wiki this morning and out of the likely's its svens record that holds the most weight. What he did with England at the time i thought wasnt enough, but looking at it now; he did very well with what he had.
He wasnt a push over at Man City either. Lets forget the notts county business though eh?
Jol would be someone id approach first, but if that isnt going to happen klinnsmann or sven would be ok.
Bradley is a risk i think.
at the end of the day Martin has left us scraping the barrel.
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Dudley born, intimate knowledge of the Premier League, a background of being able to attract and play non Englisg players with fab technical ability.
What's not to like ( managerial wise) ? - Newcastle was always a hard challenge - way harder than Villa.
I certainly hope you are.
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my main problem with Sven would be the style of play. Ok, he's no hoofball merchant like MON but he's a bit defensive
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But if we ship out the likes of Sidwell, Davies, Beye & Heskey to follow Shorey we are going to need to replace them with better players on more or less the same money, so I don't see how we are capable of pushing on.
Our squad is still pretty small compared to our rivals.
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I can't believe people are even considering Sven. Definately damaged goods!!
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Dudley born, intimate knowledge of the Premier League, a background of being able to attract and play non Englisg players with fab technical ability.
What's not to like ( managerial wise) ? - Newcastle was always a hard challenge - way harder than Villa.
I certainly hope you are.
So, who do you suggest ?
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Dudley born, intimate knowledge of the Premier League, a background of being able to attract and play non Englisg players with fab technical ability.
What's not to like ( managerial wise) ? - Newcastle was always a hard challenge - way harder than Villa.
I certainly hope you are.
So, who do you suggest ?
I'd have O'Leary back before I'd give that fat, cynical, arrogant, whingeing, cheating, yam-yam cockstain as much as a desk at Villa Park.
I think Sven would be a solid appointment, as would Jol but I think the compo would make it unlikely. It's not a great list, is it?
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Dudley born, intimate knowledge of the Premier League, a background of being able to attract and play non Englisg players with fab technical ability.
What's not to like ( managerial wise) ? - Newcastle was always a hard challenge - way harder than Villa.
I certainly hope you are.
So, who do you suggest ?
I would rather have Sam Fox in charge.
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I fear it wont make much difference though...the owner no longer believes in us getting in the top 4.
Rubbish. Not wanting to pay big wages to players who aren't playing is not a signal Randy has no ambition to finish in the top 4 any more.
The hierarchy of the club have gone from saying that they would pay 20 (or was it 30) million for a player if he was the right one to Randy's statement
about where our new level is.
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my main problem with Sven would be the style of play. Ok, he's no hoofball merchant like MON but he's a bit defensive
Correct Greg - Middlesboro 8 Man City 1 !
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I can't believe people are even considering Sven. Definately damaged goods!!
Damaged goods as in how? You reading The Sun a bit much?
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Finding this new manager isn't as easy as we thought it would be is it ?
I can see Kevin McDonald staying until at least January, if he makes a reasonable start, which looking at our fixtures is more than likely.
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To keep faith with the supporters and show that his intentions havn't changed the next manager must be sellable to the fans. The last thing Lerner needs is a drop in support, get the right manager and hopes will be raised again, get it wrong and he will see attendances drop away dramatically.
Sven may do the trick in the short term(lock up your wives) he is well connected and his record is okay.
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No, it's tricky alright. There really isn't an outstanding candidate among the suggestions so far, in my view. Still, the press seem to think we've been 'inundated' with applications, so maybe there's a few surprises yet to come.
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Davide Ballardini (ex Lazio?) is now being linked, currently without a job
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Why, having established ourselves as a top six club, would we appoint a bloke who has never experienced a transfer system, has never managed in a top league, and until quite recently, was roundly unpopular in his national team job?
That would be insanity.
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Am I the only Villa fan who would love to see Allardyce at VP ?
Dudley born, intimate knowledge of the Premier League, a background of being able to attract and play non Englisg players with fab technical ability.
What's not to like ( managerial wise) ? - Newcastle was always a hard challenge - way harder than Villa.
I certainly hope you are.
So, who do you suggest ?
I would rather have Sam Fox in charge.
Hey, Bob Bradley it is for you then -- a man with no experience at this level, wouldn't know anything about the West Ham team we face on Saturday for instance.
Cheer leaders as well ?
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My favourite continues to be Frank Rijkaard, getting him from Galatasaray should not be difficult, he has a distinguished playing and managerial track record, he speaks good English , culturall he would fit, and would offer an International perspective without wrecking the British backbone of the team.His lack of Prem knowledge counts against him, but it didnt do Ancelloi and Wenger any harm.
Same here, it shouldn't be too difficult to tempt him to England as well.
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I fear it wont make much difference though...the owner no longer believes in us getting in the top 4.
Rubbish. Not wanting to pay big wages to players who aren't playing is not a signal Randy has no ambition to finish in the top 4 any more.
Great point Jonzy, let's start a campaign to install Peter Ridsdale instead.
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We may be pleasantly suprised at the quality of the applicants. Lerner has the reputation of backing his manager and it could be that a couple of top managers already employed could fancy Villa.
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Kilinsmann's always been my first choice to succeed MON and I hope it happens. He knows the game back to front, he's innovative, he's exciting, he's good at bringing talent through, he speaks excellent English so communication isn't a problem, he's liked in this country by most people who aren't rabidly anti-German anyway. Yeah, his record at Bayern sucked but his national team record didn't and you can say what you like about Low being the 'brains', but if that was absolutely true then the Germans wouldn't have given a crap about trying to keep him on after WC2006 - even Beckebauer wanted to keep him on. Chelsea and Liverpool both sounded him out about taking jobs there and his win ratio, though obviously he's coached less games than somebody like Sven, is about 56%. I say sod it, after this summer we won't get Champions League anyway but let's just try something different.
I also think a charismatic and offensively minded coach is more likely to persuade a player like Ashley Young to stay.
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I fear it wont make much difference though...the owner no longer believes in us getting in the top Four.
Harsh. Man City have spent over £200m so far and have still not got in the Top Four, if Randy feels that neither he nor the Club have the cash to "chase the dream", I for one respect that. That does not mean that by shrewd management we may not still have a chance.
MON did make some cracking signings, leaving us an established top six side. IF, the money invested in Harewood, Salifou, Routledge, Maloney, Davies, Sidwell, NRC, Shorey, Young and Petrov had been spent to greater effect, we might be "there" already.
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I don't mean to be too harsh....obviously City have moved the goalposts.
It's his money and it's up to him how to spend it, but I cant help think that because of City's mega-billions, he is starting to think what's the point?
I don't blame him, I just find it depressing.
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I fear it wont make much difference though...the owner no longer believes in us getting in the top 4.
Rubbish. Not wanting to pay big wages to players who aren't playing is not a signal Randy has no ambition to finish in the top 4 any more.
The hierarchy of the club have gone from saying that they would pay 20 (or was it 30) million for a player if he was the right one to Randy's statement
about where our new level is.
Actually, they said they COULDN'T pay £30m for a player. Get it right.
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I don't mean to be too harsh....obviously City have moved the goalposts.It's his money and it's up to him how to spend it, but I cant help think that because of City's mega-billions, he is starting to think what's the point?I don't blame him, I just find it depressing.
I agree.
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Could it be Sven as DoF and Bradley as coach then? With the fall back that Sven is very capable of advising and taking over if Bob is crap.
But if the board are trying to cut the wage bill, are they not adding to the problem by bringing in two people when one should do? Sven certainly wouldn't come cheap so u might as well have him as manager.
Hope it doesn't happen, I'm in the camp with everyone else who thinks this man has had his day.
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Lerner said that we could not spend £30 million on a striker but cash was available to the Manager providing he sold players that were not in contention to play in the first team.
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Except Wenger at managed in Europe, at a decent level too.
Bradley would be an absolute disaster, this has made me very worried.
Why do you think an 'absolute disaster', then?
Because it would show that our chairman was more interested in having his friends around the place, rather than pushing this club forward.
Thankfully, I don't think Bradley is in the running.
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I don't mean to be too harsh....obviously City have moved the goalposts.It's his money and it's up to him how to spend it, but I cant help think that because of City's mega-billions, he is starting to think what's the point?I don't blame him, I just find it depressing.
I agree.
Alternatively he could be thinking that we're not going to beat them by battling for big names so rather than spending 65k a week on a tumbling bear we could buy 3-4 18-19 year olds who have enough about them to make it in a few years. If we don't get there we sell at a profit and try again.
Money is a big thing but there's always an alternative, in this case to build the squad from the bottom up. It takes time but with delf, delph, albrighton, clark, gardener, bannan, etc w've got a lot of talent to start with, we just need to mould it right.
Buying a Xavi/Iniesta that's been developed elsewhere costs millions, developing your own is pretty much free, and whilst they do have natural talent they both show that good coaching from an early age can turn good players into excellent players.
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Still no Scolari option? A proven winner with tactical and technical nous? Got to be worth considering.
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Scolari has a new job at club level in Brazil with Palmeiras.
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Alternatively he could be thinking that we're not going to beat them by battling for big names so rather than spending 65k a week on a tumbling bear we could buy 3-4 18-19 year olds who have enough about them to make it in a few years. If we don't get there we sell at a profit and try again.
It's a mix isnt it? Young, Milner, Delph and Davies were all bought with an eye on the future.
I agree that the purchases of Heskey, Petrov etc were flawed. I also question whether Friedel ahead of Given was wise, and why we were not in for Joe Hart. But MON did have a crack at young talent.
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somebody on my facebook has just posted that paddy power and Bet 365 have suspended bets on Villa's new manager.
I know nowt about betting. Does this mean anything?
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somebody on my facebook has just posted that paddy power and Bet 365 have suspended bets on Villa's new manager.
I know nowt about betting. Does this mean anything?
They haven't suspended bets, just checked
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somebody on my facebook has just posted that paddy power and Bet 365 have suspended bets on Villa's new manager.
I know nowt about betting. Does this mean anything?
I read that one firm suspended bets on it being Sven - groan - but if they've suspended bets completely then I guess they either thinmk they know who it's going to be or they suspect some irregularity.
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somebody on my facebook has just posted that paddy power and Bet 365 have suspended bets on Villa's new manager.
I know nowt about betting. Does this mean anything?
They haven't suspended bets, just checked
Thanks paulie. I'd have checked myself but wouldn't have a clue what I was looking for.
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Sven is evens favourite with PaddyPower. He'd be even less than that if they thought somthing was done.
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Davide Ballardini (ex Lazio?) is now being linked, currently without a job
By 'La Gazzetta dello Sport'. They suggest he is paid only 750K euros Per year and his contract expires next summer.
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Steve Coppell has resigned.
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Steve Coppell he he
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Coppell's just resigned. He cited a lack of passion for the position...
Maybe he wants to apply for our job?
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Don't panic. Coppell has said he's giving up football management.
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Coppell's just resigned. He cited a lack of passion for the position...
leaving behind David James' £15,000 a week contract.............
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Coppell's just resigned. He cited a lack of passion for the position...
Maybe he wants to apply for our job?
He's retiring from football altogether, so no need to panic.
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Coppell's just resigned. He cited a lack of passion for the position...
Maybe he wants to apply for our job?
He's retiring from football altogether, so no need to panic.
Hasn't he retired from football management. Step forward then our new Director of Football...
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Coppell's just resigned. He cited a lack of passion for the position...
Maybe he wants to apply for our job?
He's retiring from football altogether, so no need to panic.
Hasn't he retired from football management. Step forward then our new Director of Football...
Might be able to turn Sidwell into a good player. He's done it before.
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Coppell's just resigned. He cited a lack of passion for the position...
Maybe he wants to apply for our job?
He's retiring from football altogether, so no need to panic.
Hasn't he retired from football management. Step forward then our new Director of Football...
Might be able to turn Sidwell into a good player. He's done it before.
He also made Shorey look good.
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why no Guus Hiddink in the poll - surely the standout candidate!!!
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why no Guus Hiddink in the poll - surely the standout candidate!!!
Same reason that there's no Capello, Mourinho or Wenger in the poll.
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Hiddink is the new Coach of Turkey
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Coppell's just resigned. He cited a lack of passion for the position...
Maybe he wants to apply for our job?
He's retiring from football altogether, so no need to panic.
He's replacing McLeish?
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Coppell said he's coming out of management but will return to the game in some form
He thinking of dusting off his boots or something?
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Steve Coppell has quit as Bristol City manager. You don't think...
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Is there an echo in here?
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Steve Coppell has quit as Bristol City manager. You don't think...
Stop press!
The Germans have just crossed the Polish border.
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villa talk
Steve Coppell has quit as Bristol City manager. You don't think...
NO I don't :)
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Just had a quick look at the odds, they're all over the place. Hilariously, K. Mac has gone whooshing up to third favourite on the basis of that Guardian report that says we may take a little time in appointing the new manager, leaving him in charge for longer. They obviously think we're about to do a Sbragia. Southgate has also gone up, mysteriously.
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Just had a quick look at the odds, they're all over the place. Hilariously, K. Mac has gone whooshing up to third favourite on the basis of that Guardian report that says we may take a little time in appointing the new manager, leaving him in charge for longer. They obviously think we're about to do a Sbragia. Southgate has also gone up, mysteriously.
I've just put a ton on Southgate.
In the 3:30 at Kempton.
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The Sven as favourite worries me. But I can't help shaking the feeling that despite turning this place into a circus (at least initially), he'd probably do a good job. After all the guy as mentioned, has contacts, and knows quality when he sees it. If he bought a few players like Elano over here, I'd be happy. A bit of mercurial flair that we've lacked in recent years. I wouldn't mind a pain in the ass player like that, capable of brilliance when in the mood.
I also think Sven knows the English game very well so would not be adverse to signing English talent. Plus did he do a bad job for England? To be fair to him, we were always a little unlucky. He started off brilliantly, and 2002 was certainly unfortunate. He lost it in towards the end, but still, 3 quarter finals probably isn't to be sniffed at given the level of quality we actually have.
Dear god, I'm actually warming to the idea of Sven. He got the shaft at City when the place just went crazy after half a season and Frank ended up being dodgy. But they started off flying that year and looked very good indeed.
He's become a bit of a caricature, but he'd certainly be a big name and could attract big players. Only thing is...he might keep Emile >:(
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I agree SuperTom. He wouldn't be my first choice but you know for the time he is around it will be interesting. We'd always be competitive and he has hundreds of friends around the world that would help with player assessments and transfers. We'd go from a very conservative look at transfers to one where we could be signing a player from just about anywhere.
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The Sven as favourite worries me. But I can't help shaking the feeling that despite turning this place into a circus (at least initially), he'd probably do a good job. After all the guy as mentioned, has contacts, and knows quality when he sees it. If he bought a few players like Elano over here, I'd be happy. A bit of mercurial flair that we've lacked in recent years. I wouldn't mind a pain in the ass player like that, capable of brilliance when in the mood.
I also think Sven knows the English game very well so would not be adverse to signing English talent. Plus did he do a bad job for England? To be fair to him, we were always a little unlucky. He started off brilliantly, and 2002 was certainly unfortunate. He lost it in towards the end, but still, 3 quarter finals probably isn't to be sniffed at given the level of quality we actually have.
Dear god, I'm actually warming to the idea of Sven. He got the shaft at City when the place just went crazy after half a season and Frank ended up being dodgy. But they started off flying that year and looked very good indeed.
He's become a bit of a caricature, but he'd certainly be a big name and could attract big players. Only thing is...he might keep Emile >:(
He might bring back Vassell!
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desperate times call for desperate measures, now our saviour has dropped us in it we have to consider jokers like Sven
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desperate times call for desperate measures, now our saviour has dropped us in it we have to consider jokers like Sven
Go on then, oh wise one, tell us who we should be after.
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Bradley: Team Manager
Coppell: Director of Football
Yes, the odds of it happening are insanely low, but if it does happen, I called it.
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Wouldn't mind Sven so long as his off field antics didn't come with him. Bit of a mercenary but a good club track record, wasn't as bad a painted for England (imo) and who knows, he might even shop abroad !!
Still Jol for me though if Huddink is a no go...
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Coppell is a serial quitter no thanks,
I see Mc Leish did not exactly dismiss the Villa job, he even had a glint in his eye!
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I would be comfortable with Sven and think that the players would react in a positive way towards him. Let's face it, some of our more talented players must be desperate to play some good football after last season's mediocre stuff and Sven would encourage that - no more pointless hoof balls towards the big guy!!
He could just provide us with much of what many people have been asking for - astute tactics, players utilised propery, interesting foreign signings and if he get's the squad playing anywhere near it's potential will do very well. In my view, better experience than Jol too.
And, he's got a point to prove and this would be his last shot.
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Coppell is a serial quitter no thanks,
I see Mc Leish did not exactly dismiss the Villa job, he even had a glint in his eye!
Ah. Let me enlighten you into a certain facet of McLeish's personality. Managed Motherwell; Walked out to manage Hibs; Walked out to manager Rangers. Managed Scotland; Walked out to manager Blues.
Every time he gets offered a bigger job he's off so quick you don't even notice the door move.
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desperate times call for desperate measures, now our saviour has dropped us in it we have to consider jokers like Sven
Go on then, oh wise one, tell us who we should be after.
Old birdeye doesn't have any suggestions. He just likes to put down the ones others bring forward.
Watch now, he'll suggest a Guardiola and Mourinho double team to take us to untold glories.
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I'd take McGleish just to annoy the Sty. Don't think he'd do much good for us mind, but I'd still get him in to fuck them off! :P
Sack him in 3 months and get Hiddink.
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My mindset is shifting from those managers whom I would accept, even if not ideal ( sven/jol)
and then there are those with disaster stamped all over them ( Bradley/ Southgate).
Rijkaard still tops my list.
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I think Southgate might make a good manager some day.
However, I'd much prefer him to take over at Villa on that day than now. I'd prefer not to have someone who is unproven.
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Ah. Let me enlighten you into a certain facet of McLeish's personality. Managed Motherwell; Walked out to manage Hibs; Walked out to manager Rangers. Managed Scotland; Walked out to manager Blues.
Every time he gets offered a bigger job he's off so quick you don't even notice the door move.
And Villa is not a bigger job than Blues then?
Does Mourinho not quit for other jobs? Coppell quits because he can't handle the pressure different scenario
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I fear it wont make much difference though...the owner no longer believes in us getting in the top 4.
Rubbish. Not wanting to pay big wages to players who aren't playing is not a signal Randy has no ambition to finish in the top 4 any more.
The hierarchy of the club have gone from saying that they would pay 20 (or was it 30) million for a player if he was the right one to Randy's statement
about where our new level is.
How do you get that from this:
Finally, there have been no changes in our approach to building the club, aiming always to be as competitive as possible given our size and resources.
The watchword has always been sustainable growth, with RL making it clear we wouldn't go the route of Chelsea (or more recently Citeh).
Even without the new UEFA regulations coming in, a wage bill accounting for 85% of total income would have set alarm bells ringing. We have very little choice but to get our house in order on that one. It doesn't automatically mean the drawbridge has come up as far as investment and squad strengthening is concerned.
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I think Southgate might make a good manager some day.However, I'd much prefer him to take over at Villa on that day than now. I'd prefer not to have someone who is unproven.
I agree. Taking the Mboro job was a high risk gamble, that has failed.Gareth would do well to have a go in the Dutch or German Leagues to gain some international management experience.
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Ah. Let me enlighten you into a certain facet of McLeish's personality. Managed Motherwell; Walked out to manage Hibs; Walked out to manager Rangers. Managed Scotland; Walked out to manager Blues.
Every time he gets offered a bigger job he's off so quick you don't even notice the door move.
And Villa is not a bigger job than Blues then?
Does Mourinho not quit for other jobs? Coppell quits because he can't handle the pressure different scenario
That is my point. He'll leave them for the first bigger job like replacing MoN hence why I'd think it would be a goer if we offered it him. He is not a loyal manager. I know Hibs fans who are still spitting feathers 10 years later following the manner of his departure.
He'd be a reasonable enough appointment. I'd like a better more glamorous appointment, mind.
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so all in all, after another day,
we still have no idea who the next manager will be, not supprised as MON only left a day or two ago, but you'd have thought there might have been some proper ITK into the mindset of Randy as to his replacement, as it is the list of about 30 candidates has still not been honed down
no idea if Ireland is or isnt signing,
and even the Milner transfer is still right where its been for the last 6 weeks
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Maybe so Sandman but Mc Leish would be better than the majority of options out there, I think he would love the job and do it well.
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Maybe so Sandman but Mc Leish would be better than the majority of options out there, I think he would love the job and do it well.
all those guys that love the 4-5-1 formation would love him, he always swamps the midfield, and plays one up front.
he's incredibly negative, the football would be worse than MON, but we probably wouldnt lose many games
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I saw Steve Staunton (or his double) by The Shakespeare in town at about half four.
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villa talk
Steve Coppell has quit as Bristol City manager. You don't think...
NO I don't :)
He has announced his retirement from football management.
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all those guys that love the 4-5-1 formation would love him, he always swamps the midfield, and plays one up front.
he's incredibly negative, the football would be worse than MON, but we probably wouldnt lose many games
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Don't forget that he got the better of O'Neill in Scotland, and he would have much better players at VP than the crap he has got at the Sty.
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Diego Maradona isn't working...
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Sky say Learner hasn't yet drawn up a list!
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Sky say Learner hasn't yet drawn up a list!
I say that Sky don't really know what is happening and have screentime to fill.
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Agreed. Sky Sports is clueless on this. Once MON started making noises in January and then again in March, a list had to have been drawn up.
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I don't think anybody knows anything concrete yet. All the rumours are just idle speculation. Randy will do things his way.
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
Oh
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
Please God, no. It smacks of doing things on the cheap again.
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
Source?
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
I don't like the sound of that at all.
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
*Gulp*
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
Source?
Yeah, nothing on the US Soccer official page.
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Seen a few tweets about it, usually hits twitter way before it hits official sites.
Hopefully it's a lie, if not... hopefully he's going elsewhere.
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I don't want Bradley to be the manager, but I'd still take him over Curbishley or Allardyce.
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
*Gulp*
*Gulp gulp*
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source:
http://worldsoccerreader.com/2010/08/bob-bradley-set-to-depart-as-us-manager/
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Off you go to DC United Bob, good lad.
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I want to have a manager who is able to tactically out think his opponent. Beating Spain in 2009, something England didn't look close to doing was a great achievement for the US. They nearly went on to beat Brazil. Bradley isn't my first choice, but the one thing that's become apparent is that we have to work within set parameters and be a lot smarter as a club. If we can't outspend our opponents we need to find other ways to compete.
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If you read the comments under that piece (which was dated yesterday by the way) the Yanks seem quite pleased that he's going, which is not a good sign.
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
*Gulp*
Ball bags.
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that will be 3 yank bradleys on his son board 4 if he signs his son :-\
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Their federation were saying they wanted an overseas coach, which was probably curtains for BB. Can't say i'm too keen to see him at Villa.
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If you read the comments under that piece (which was dated yesterday by the way) the Yanks seem quite pleased that he's going, which is not a good sign.
but that could mean that he's TOO much of a tactician - any footballer who thinks he's bigger than the game will always hate a taskmaster tactician of a manager. that's why the current england lot hate fabio - well that and the fact that they're all thickos
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
I don't like the sound of that at all.
Nor do I Clampy Nor do I
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If you read the comments under that piece (which was dated yesterday by the way) the Yanks seem quite pleased that he's going, which is not a good sign.
but that could mean that he's TOO much of a tactician - any footballer who thinks he's bigger than the game will always hate a taskmaster tactician of a manager. that's why the current england lot hate fabio - well that and the fact that they're all thickos
I think it's the fans who are glad that he's going. One complained about him having his favourites, which sounds familiar.
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I think it's the fans who are glad that he's going. One complained about him having his favourites, which sounds familiar.
US fans knowledge/opinions < Bradley's skills
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If you read the comments under that piece (which was dated yesterday by the way) the Yanks seem quite pleased that he's going, which is not a good sign.
but that could mean that he's TOO much of a tactician - any footballer who thinks he's bigger than the game will always hate a taskmaster tactician of a manager. that's why the current england lot hate fabio - well that and the fact that they're all thickos
I think it's the fans who are glad that he's going. One complained about him having his favourites, which sounds familiar.
To be fair if your managing the USA you don't have a lot of choice
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Bradley wasn't going to be given a new contract anyway-not a cat in hells chance of him becoming villa boss- more chance of mon managing Argentina than Bradley managing villa!
Randy is a clever man , not a fool.
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Bradley wasn't going to be given a new contract anyway-not a cat in hells chance of him becoming villa boss- more chance of mon managing Argentina than Bradley managing villa!
Randy is a clever man , not a fool.
He was rumoured to be interested in the grossly unqualified Jurgen Klinsmann when he took over the club so you never know.
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Bradley wasn't going to be given a new contract anyway-not a cat in hells chance of him becoming villa boss- more chance of mon managing Argentina than Bradley managing villa!
Randy is a clever man , not a fool.
I agree, which is why I trust him to get the best available option. However, what we fear is that Bob Bradley is the best available option, as that would be a sad indictment of our club's position right now.
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How could a man who has never managed or coached in Europe never mind England possibly be the best available option , I'd take big Sam, southgate or curbs ahead of bradley and that's saying something.
Sven , jurgen , jol or bilic would all be far better options.
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How could a man who has never managed or coached in Europe never mind England possibly be the best available option , I'd take big Sam, southgate or curbs ahead of bradley and that's saying something.
Sven , jurgen , jol or bilic would all be far better options.
Agreed. We'd switch from signing just Englishman, to signing only Americans! :) Okay maybe not. But BB would be a huge gamble. Might work, but likely it'll go arse over tit.
But what worries me is the American connection. It may be 2+2=5, but if we unveiled Bradley as the new boss, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
But the big thing still remains, that there's very few decent options available out there. Fuck.
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If Bradley does pitch up, there better be a director of football working over him.
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Randy has to make an option become available, this is our biggest summer signing now. Please not another Venglos.
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I just heard Sven has gone back to the ivory coast! Anyone else heard that?
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Bradley has quit from the USA job
Stop watching newsnow!
The article linked (in the last hour) was actually posted on the 11th August (did none of you ever learn in History lessons to check the date of the source first?) and has the word 'Speculation' in the title
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I just heard Sven has gone back to the ivory coast! Anyone else heard that?
My God I hope so.
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I just heard Sven has gone back to the ivory coast! Anyone else heard that?
He's just fetching the next Didier Drogba, and he'll bring him along when he comes to the Villa.
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I just heard Sven has gone back to the ivory coast! Anyone else heard that?
Would you take Sven?
He's just fetching the next Didier Drogba, and he'll bring him along when he comes to the Villa.
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I'd welcome Sven on the right deal.
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http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx (http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx)
Interesting.
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http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx (http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx)
That may be good, he seems to have done well in Germany.
Interesting.
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http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx (http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx)
Interesting.
Two days old and about forty pages back I'm afraid Karl.
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Sorry i've missed big chunks of this one. Still it's a lot more interesting than Curbs et al.
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http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx (http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41971/EXCLUSIVE_German_coach_emerges_as_shock_Villa_target.aspx)
Interesting.
Ralf rangnick was mentioned yesterday. Looks like a great idea but I think he'll more than likey be a bayern munich manager in a few years time
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Sorry i've missed big chunks of this one. Still it's a lot more interesting than Curbs et al.
You and everyone else I think. And yes, it definitely would be.
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If Harry wants to manage Ashley ?? Why doesn't he apply............No I can't say it. Off to the naughty corner.
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Quote from the Daily Mirror "Sven Goran Eriksson is so desperate for the Aston Villa job he is willing to lower his traditionally exorbitant salary demands." Not even for national minimum wage Sven.
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If Harry wants to manage Ashley ?? Why doesn't he apply............No I can't say it. Off to the naughty corner.
I'd have him.
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As much as he is an asshole, I'd have Arry Boy at VP but alas we have no chance sadly
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If Harry wants to manage Ashley ?? Why doesn't he apply............No I can't say it. Off to the naughty corner.
I'd have him.
Me and a mate said the same thing. If there's one person who woud be ideal for the situation we're in right now, it's Redknapp.
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If Harry wants to manage Ashley ?? Why doesn't he apply............No I can't say it. Off to the naughty corner.
I'd have him.
Me and a mate said the same thing. If there's one person who woud be ideal for the situation we're in right now, it's Redknapp.
Agreed. I Thought this too today.
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I did too.
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As much as he is an asshole, I'd have Arry Boy at VP but alas we have no chance sadly
I agree. But who are the real available managers??
Maybe there is a need for a world manager datebase:
1. Managers out of work and looking
2. Managers unhappy and looking for new job
3. Managers who be tempted to work for a "bigger club"
4. Young and up and coming managers from around the world
5. Curb and Southgate.
Get to work you web boffins...................
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Yeah, I've always felt Redknapp has a real affection for us.
I'd rather give it to Allardyce.
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If Harry wants to manage Ashley ?? Why doesn't he apply............No I can't say it. Off to the naughty corner.
I'd have him.
Me and a mate said the same thing. If there's one person who woud be ideal for the situation we're in right now, it's Redknapp.
Agreed. I Thought this too today.
I think I'd have to stop supporting the Villa if that happened. I genuinely dislike the man that much. Or maybe just wish for relegation. A chance to visit all those Championship grounds isn't that bad, really.
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Reality is now hitting home that there appears to be a lack of choices for the job, the usual newspaper stories say dozens have applied but how many are credible?
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Evening chaps. Newbie on here. :) I'd like to give Kevin Mac a go, see how he gets on. He knows the club well, been here years now, knows all the players including the youngsters, who i think are going to be important. Few of us now are probably thinking we're gonna have a decent crack at getting into the top four next season, so, give him till January see how we're getting on. If we're doing OK results wise and more importantly the football is improving and we can see signs of another team coming together, then give him the rest of the season. He's got a great record with the stiffs and whilst i know its a massive leap from that to the first team, the only way we're ever gonna know if the bloke's good enough is to give him a go. Every great manager had to start somewhere and looking at all the names people are suggesting at the moment no one really is standing out for me.
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Evening chaps. Newbie on here. :) I'd like to give Kevin Mac a go, see how he gets on. He knows the club well, been here years now, knows all the players including the youngsters, who i think are going to be important. Few of us now are probably thinking we're gonna have a decent crack at getting into the top four next season, so, give him till January see how we're getting on. If we're doing OK results wise and more importantly the football is improving and we can see signs of another team coming together, then give him the rest of the season. He's got a great record with the stiffs and whilst i know its a massive leap from that to the first team, the only way we're ever gonna know if the bloke's good enough is to give him a go. Every great manager had to start somewhere and looking at all the names people are suggesting at the moment no one really is standing out for me.
You could well be right. Lets see we play (not necessary the results) over the next 3 games.
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Evening chaps. Newbie on here. :) I'd like to give Kevin Mac a go, see how he gets on. He knows the club well, been here years now, knows all the players including the youngsters, who i think are going to be important. Few of us now are probably thinking we're gonna have a decent crack at getting into the top four next season, so, give him till January see how we're getting on. If we're doing OK results wise and more importantly the football is improving and we can see signs of another team coming together, then give him the rest of the season. He's got a great record with the stiffs and whilst i know its a massive leap from that to the first team, the only way we're ever gonna know if the bloke's good enough is to give him a go. Every great manager had to start somewhere and looking at all the names people are suggesting at the moment no one really is standing out for me.
here here !!
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Well I've had a blue note on Hughes tonight at 14/1. Any ideas on what I can spend my soon-to-be-collected £70 on?
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Redknapp's always had a rapport with the Villa fans - did he ever give Trinity Road their 50p back?
He'd do well at the interview but his references from Portsmouth and Southampton might scupper it.
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If Harry wants to manage Ashley ?? Why doesn't he apply............No I can't say it. Off to the naughty corner.
I'd have him.
This isn't a sexual fantasies thread.
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Well I've had a blue note on Hughes tonight at 14/1. Any ideas on what I can spend my soon-to-be-collected £70 on?
You can still get 46 on betfair Des - put it towards the Dublin trip next May.
A lot of money for Bob Bradley this evening.
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If Bradley does pitch up, there better be a director of football working over him.
That's the only reason you would hire him. A DOF trusted by Lerner would get the wages in check and handle player acquisitions while Bradley manages the tactics and the team.
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What about Brian Kerr :) he even has managed the Faroes to play decent..that is some accomplishment.
(kidding)
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John Toshack?
David Beckham?
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The very thought of us ending up with Bob fecking Bradley is driving me to despair
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Appy Arry is never gonna come up to Brum from old London Town so forget him straight away. Hughes? would you really want to hire someone who has only just signed for another club and then would be willing to walk away at the the first offer from a bigger club before playing a single game?. Looking at what the US did at the world cup with a fairly reasonable side, drew with Estonia? or whoever it was, but for a one off shocker from a keeper would have lost to a very poor England and then just scraped an injury time winner against Algeria, then lost to Ghana. Not really that inspiring.
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Evening chaps. Newbie on here. :) I'd like to give Kevin Mac a go, see how he gets on. He knows the club well, been here years now, knows all the players including the youngsters, who i think are going to be important. Few of us now are probably thinking we're gonna have a decent crack at getting into the top four next season, so, give him till January see how we're getting on. If we're doing OK results wise and more importantly the football is improving and we can see signs of another team coming together, then give him the rest of the season. He's got a great record with the stiffs and whilst i know its a massive leap from that to the first team, the only way we're ever gonna know if the bloke's good enough is to give him a go. Every great manager had to start somewhere and looking at all the names people are suggesting at the moment no one really is standing out for me.
You keep coming up with sense like that you won't last long here.
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sorry!! f#ck it, give it to Sven!
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Bradley wasn't going to be given a new contract anyway-not a cat in hells chance of him becoming villa boss- more chance of mon managing Argentina than Bradley managing villa!
Randy is a clever man , not a fool.
He was rumoured to be interested in the grossly unqualified Jurgen Klinsmann when he took over the club so you never know.
The grossly unqualified Klinsmann who played under some of the best managers at some of the biggest clubs in Europe, and who also managed the German national side?
Can't believe Bradley has got 19 votes on here, I assume that's our American contingent. In saying that, DOL had got more votes than Pellegrini, Hitzfeld and Eriksson so maybe there is some bad acid floating around.
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Looking at oddschecker there arent many bookies offering odds anymore, Paddy Power was there an hour or so back but isnt now and those left make Sven the favourite.
If we get Sven how many days before the Mirror report we are gonna signs Beckham?
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Evening chaps. Newbie on here. :) I'd like to give Kevin Mac a go, see how he gets on. He knows the club well, been here years now, knows all the players including the youngsters, who i think are going to be important. Few of us now are probably thinking we're gonna have a decent crack at getting into the top four next season, so, give him till January see how we're getting on. If we're doing OK results wise and more importantly the football is improving and we can see signs of another team coming together, then give him the rest of the season. He's got a great record with the stiffs and whilst i know its a massive leap from that to the first team, the only way we're ever gonna know if the bloke's good enough is to give him a go. Every great manager had to start somewhere and looking at all the names people are suggesting at the moment no one really is standing out for me.
You keep coming up with sense like that you won't last long here.
Bit harsh that Dave.
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MARADONA?!!??!
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Looking at oddschecker there arent many bookies offering odds anymore, Paddy Power was there an hour or so back but isnt now and those left make Sven the favourite.
If we get Sven how many days before the Mirror report we are gonna signs Beckham?
They have just suspended the market overnight in case something happens and catches them on the hop.
Check again in the morning.
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MARADONA?!!??!
She's due a revamp/ image change, and she'd be good for the American market I guess.
Oh.
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Looking at oddschecker there arent many bookies offering odds anymore, Paddy Power was there an hour or so back but isnt now and those left make Sven the favourite.
If we get Sven how many days before the Mirror report we are gonna signs Beckham?
=i thinks sven is a good manager but he doesnt half whore himself to any club he thinks has ££££
They have just suspended the market overnight in case something happens and catches them on the hop.
Check again in the morning.
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MARADONA?!!??!
She's due a revamp/ image change, and she'd be good for the American market I guess.
Oh.
The real M is probably got through he 5th bucket of coke - like at the end of Scarface by now.
(great film by the way)
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Now the dust has settled and the shock of oneil has gone i think giving Macdonald a crack is a much better option than a lot of the names on that list. Curbs, Fat Sam, robert duvall are all not good names to be brandishing around.
I'm certainly excited about the game saturday, we all know Mac is a good coach, most of us have seen the reserves play and been entertained so i can see us in safe hands saturday, with a good, well balanced attacking team.
Obviously I'd still go for the likes of rijkaard or Pellegrini but seriously what are the chances of that happening?
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Now the dust has settled and the shock of oneil has gone i think giving Macdonald a crack is a much better option than a lot of the names on that list. Curbs, Fat Sam, robert duvall are all not good names to be brandishing around.
I'm certainly excited about the game saturday, we all know Mac is a good coach, most of us have seen the reserves play and been entertained so i can see us in safe hands saturday, with a good, well balanced attacking team.
Obviously I'd still go for the likes of rijkaard or Pellegrini but seriously what are the chances of that happening?
Have to go along with that. given the timing of MON's hissy fit, many managers will be reluctant to drop their clubs in it by leaving. Give him a month and assess it later
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With regards Sven, i just don't know. One minute the idea repulses me, the next i'm swaying towards the idea (damn you lot with your persuasive ways!!)
It's just down to which Sven we get. I think since the england job, he's just decided to pick the easy jobs which have allowed him to make shit loads of money for little work while keeping his ego stroked (normally by a fit woman 2/3 is age)
But, if Sven is serious about management again, whats to prove to himself and the premiership that he can do it then we could have a very astute, shrewd manager on our hands with enough contacts across the world to make MI6's most secret agents jealous.
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thing with Sven is that his biggest success i'd say was with Lazio where he spent an absolute fortune, something we haven't got. With England he was OK, but when it came to needing a plan B when things weren't working, he was clueless (sound familier). At City he started well by bringing in handfuls of players who were all i'd imagine on decent wages which meant several high earners either on the bench or not playing at all (again sound familier)!
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And enough women to make Bond cry.
I don't know. At least Sven puts you on the map, has a huge pulling power for PLAYERS not just women, is very well respected by footballers and would likely be a bit more tactically astute that MON. BUT I then think of how poor England were against the ten men of Brasil, not keeping the ball, not changing the system etc, all problems I had with Martin. And Heskey too!
Ideally I would want someone more prgressive. Pellegrini would be great, but at least Sven might be interesting.
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I agree with Ozzjim, he wouldn't be my first choice, but if MacDonald doesn't work out in the first few games I wouldn't mind bringing Sven in on an 18 month contract or something.
We can use him to raise our profile, help attract better players and perhaps even use his expertise to aid our search for a new manager?
Even keep him on the books in some capacity to help find new players etc.
I still want a Pellegrini or Bilic though.
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that's what i mean Ozzjim, there's too many cons to go with the pros with alot of the names being banded about (realistic ones). That's why i'd chance it and go for Kevin Mac.
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Ha ha, that was the least convincing ruling of ones self out ever from McLeish on SSN just now.
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I seen that.
Moyes yesteday: "Not interested, building something here. We're going to have a good season."
McCleish: "I don't want to talk about other jobs. I can't stop speculation."
He'd walk over hot coals get the job, make no mistake.
Wouldn't want him though, even if it would crush the Plebs down the road.
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Ha ha, that was the least convincing ruling of ones self out ever from McLeish on SSN just now.
Oh cracking, what did he say?
I don't want him but a bit of speculation to wind them up resulting in a statement from our board saying 'Alex McLeish is not on our shortlist' would be great.
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And enough women to make Bond cry.
I don't know. At least Sven puts you on the map, has a huge pulling power for PLAYERS not just women, is very well respected by footballers and would likely be a bit more tactically astute that MON. BUT I then think of how poor England were against the ten men of Brasil, not keeping the ball, not changing the system etc, all problems I had with Martin. And Heskey too!
Ideally I would want someone more prgressive. Pellegrini would be great, but at least Sven might be interesting.
yeah but as someone pointed out on here before, how much of englands failure with sven was down to him or the players? Look at what Capello is doing now and he's a far better club manager than sven.
My god, i'm actually defending him!!!!! Whats happening to me?????? Arrrgghhh, i'm losing the plot here!
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Ha ha, that was the least convincing ruling of ones self out ever from McLeish on SSN just now.
Oh cracking, what did he say?
I don't want him but a bit of speculation to wind them up resulting in a statement from our board saying 'Alex McLeish is not on our shortlist' would be great.
I don't want him and I don't want them to think we'd consider that their manager would in anyway be qualified to manage us.
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There is no way McLeish is coming here. No way, not a chance. Never, never, never, never!
Anyways he is not good enough. I bet he is one of the "Many candidates" that have applied according to sky sports but i really dont thing there is a cat in hell's chance he'd get it. Bob Bradley has more of a chance than McLeish
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He's about as qualified as O’Neill. Won loads in Scotland, took a shite team to the top half of the table. I can't say I want the dour man either though.
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One or two names that haven't appeared on the list, Keegan/Dalgleish/Roy Keane
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One or two names that haven't appeared on the list, Keegan/Dalgleish/Roy Keane
Surely that's for a damn good reason!!
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I'm not saying I would want them.
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Phew!!
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Could you imagine Roy Keane at VP? OMG!!
F**k it, lets just go for it.... Paul Ince LOL!
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With regards Sven, i just don't know. One minute the idea repulses me, the next i'm swaying towards the idea (damn you lot with your persuasive ways!!)
It's just down to which Sven we get. I think since the england job, he's just decided to pick the easy jobs which have allowed him to make shit loads of money for little work while keeping his ego stroked (normally by a fit woman 2/3 is age)
But, if Sven is serious about management again, whats to prove to himself and the premiership that he can do it then we could have a very astute, shrewd manager on our hands with enough contacts across the world to make MI6's most secret agents jealous.
Sven hasn't been serious about football management for years, in the sense that it's hardly a priority in his life, just a means to (a rather glorious) end.
The sad truth is that none of the candidates are really any better than what we have just lost, and in most cases they're a good deal worse.
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Sven as Director of Football to work on transfers / scouting... Kevin MacDonald as manager to work on tactics / training might be ok.
Surely nobody can argue we've fallen way behind other clubs in terms of our scouting network and transfer savvy?
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What made me laugh the other day was whoever it was the other morning reporting from the papers on SSN, was saying that at 58, O'Neil has just one big job left in him really.
They were going on, that he'll take some time out and then revaluate after... In the next breath the guy was saying Sven was a prime candidate to take over.
Well at 58, if Martin is virtually past it, then sven is surely finished, the guy should be on a life support machine somewhere. Not still trying to get into managerial jobs in the premier league
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I've often wondered when the press say a club has been ''inundated with CVs'' when there is a vacancy for a manager. Can you really see Sven and Paul Jewell tidying up their resumés on Microsoft Word before sending them off to some recruitment agency? On second thoughts, thats probably exactly what Paul Jewell has done.
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Does Pellegrini speak English? I very much doubt it.
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After much reflection im going to say give Mcdonald a go Sid as his number 2, give it a month then decide. West Ham, Newcastle , Rapid Vienna and Everton is going to give us chance to see what he's made of, Plus he has total respect from everyone at VP. Youth especially.
I don't want Bradley, Southgate, Sven or Curbishley
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there has been strong betting on mclaren LOL
I would rather have oleary back than mclaren in charge
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Sven as Director of Football to work on transfers / scouting... Kevin MacDonald as manager to work on tactics / training might be ok.
Surely nobody can argue we've fallen way behind other clubs in terms of our scouting network and transfer savvy?
We have fallen back in terms of scouting and contacts in the wider game. That's the best arguemnt for having somebody like Sven at the club in some capacity. What I wonder though is, is he still in the loop to the extent he would have been even 4 years ago?
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Sven probably is now moving into that group of Managers that is loosing touch modern day players & agents, his club success was years ago.
Latest work- Mexico, Ivory Coast & Notts County.
Keegan & Dalglish fall into the same category.
Bob Bradley has to also come into this group - no experience whatsoever just American Soccer!!
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One or two names that haven't appeared on the list, Keegan/Dalgleish/Roy Keane
Don't forget Glenn Roeder.
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I've often wondered when the press say a club has been ''inundated with CVs'' when there is a vacancy for a manager. Can you really see Sven and Paul Jewell tidying up their resumés on Microsoft Word before sending them off to some recruitment agency? On second thoughts, thats probably exactly what Paul Jewell has done.
Ha ha
'This CV for the job at Aston Villa Penelope, can you do it in Tahoma 12 please ? And don't forget to include my Cycling Proficiency Certificate this time, iike you did at Liverpool last month.'
'Post it 'special delivery' as well, I know it's a bit more expensive but I will know they've received it.'
Thanks,
Svennis
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Does Pellegrini speak English? I very much doubt it.
Everybody speaks English, surely ?
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I understand Pellegrini does speak English
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Bob Bradley has resigned as USA coach...............
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Bob Bradley has resigned as USA coach...............
That does make ne nervous.
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Bob Bradley has resigned as USA coach...............
Brace! Brace!
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Is Sven still coach/manager of Ivory Coast? Just wondering if we would have to pay any compo.
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Odds down to 3-1 now too and moving.....
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Odds down to 3-1 now too and moving.....
who, Bradley or Sven ?
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You hear that horrible, gut-churning screech of tyre against tarmac, you turn to look, see the car shudder, lose control, lurch inexorably towards the oncoming vehicle. And you look away because you can't stand to watch the inevitable collision.
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Bradley on his own would be madness.
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I've often wondered when the press say a club has been ''inundated with CVs'' when there is a vacancy for a manager. Can you really see Sven and Paul Jewell tidying up their resumés on Microsoft Word before sending them off to some recruitment agency? On second thoughts, thats probably exactly what Paul Jewell has done.
Ha ha
'This CV for the job at Aston Villa Penelope, can you do it in Tahoma 12 please ? And don't forget to include my Cycling Proficiency Certificate this time, iike you did at Liverpool last month.'
'Post it 'special delivery' as well, I know it's a bit more expensive but I will know they've received it.'
Thanks,
Svennis
Bob Bradley uses Comic Sans, "just to be different and a little quirky".
Signs off the CV with God Bess America and a nice eagle watermark in the background
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Could you imagine Roy Keane at VP? OMG!!
F**k it, lets just go for it.... Paul Ince LOL!
LOL indeed.
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sven still red hot fave with bookies ive just checked out!
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Could you imagine Roy Keane at VP? OMG!!
F**k it, lets just go for it.... Paul Ince LOL!
LOL indeed.
I'm unsure on Keane. Excellent at Sunderland, yet walked as soon as it got tough, then decent at Ipswich. I think there's a good manager in there, just probably needs a thicker skin for when things aren't going too well.
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sven still red hot fave with bookies ive just checked out!
Not anymore Bradley is at 2-1
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I can't see that Bob Bradley would have less knowledge of the European leagues than O'Neill, who let's not forget, signed about the grand total of four players from outside Britain for Celtic and Villa in about 7 years, and they included Guzan and Salifou, and Carew who was offered to him!
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sven still red hot fave with bookies ive just checked out!
Not anymore Bradley is at 2-1
Sven is favourite at 6/4 and Bradley at 2/1 at Bill Hills.
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sven still red hot fave with bookies ive just checked out!
Not anymore Bradley is at 2-1
Sven is favourite at 6/4 and Bradley at 2/1 at Bill Hills.
Check it out here:
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager
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I can't see that Bob Bradley would have less knowledge of the European leagues than O'Neill, who let's not forget, signed about the grand total of four players from outside Britain for Celtic and Villa in about 7 years, and they included Guzan and Salifou, and Carew who was offered to him!
That's not our only criteria for the job, but I'd also doubt it's true as his competitive games aren't against European teams except once every four years and he doesn't source his international players from there. What professional need would he have view or scout the European leagues?
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I can't see that Bob Bradley would have less knowledge of the European leagues than O'Neill, who let's not forget, signed about the grand total of four players from outside Britain for Celtic and Villa in about 7 years, and they included Guzan and Salifou, and Carew who was offered to him!
That's not our only criteria for the job, but I'd also doubt it's true as his competitive games aren't against European teams except once every four years and he doesn't source his international players from there. What professional need would he have view or scout the European leagues?
I'm pretty sure he as a professional international manger would be aware of many many players across europe. My only reservation would be a perceived lack of trandfer knowledge, as he hasn't really been involved in the transfer side of things. We a DOF maybe?
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My only reservation would be a perceived lack of trandfer knowledge, as he hasn't really been involved in the transfer side of things. We a DOF maybe?
Your only reservation? For me he has no credentials whatsover to be managing a European Club side.
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If we've got no money to spend, a decent coach would be high on the agenda, and it doesn't matter where you come from to be a good coach.
Randy would get slaugheted in the press if he went for Bradley.
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My only reservation would be a perceived lack of trandfer knowledge, as he hasn't really been involved in the transfer side of things. We a DOF maybe?
Your only reservation? For me he has no credentials whatsover to be managing a European Club side.
Ok perhaps not my ONLY reservation, however I'd take a punt on him over, Curbishly, Allardyce, Bruce, McCleish, Hughes, Reid etc etc any day. Coupled with a Director of football, then I wouldn't be despairing. Far from my first choice, but as I said, better than any of the above. Only my opnion though.
Who is it you want?
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Stan James have Mark Bosnich at 100/1 ;D
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does the thread discussing DOL replacement still exist. It would make interesting reading.
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Stan James have Mark Bosnich at 100/1 ;D
Yes! Now we're getting somewhere.
derek mountfield as assistaant, lets check the odds on that!
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Where is the story about Bradley resigning?
I would not be happy with this appointment, as I think it would be too big a leap to make.
At the same time if we do get him it is important he is given time. Allegedly he spends a lot of time going around to the likes of AC Milan and other clubs in Europe to see how they do things.
But then didn't Tony Adams do something similar.......
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Even Dr.Jo at 100/1...........I don't think there are any credible applications it is very worrying
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My only reservation would be a perceived lack of trandfer knowledge, as he hasn't really been involved in the transfer side of things. We a DOF maybe?
Your only reservation? For me he has no credentials whatsover to be managing a European Club side.
Ok perhaps not my ONLY reservation, however I'd take a punt on him over, Curbishly, Allardyce, Bruce, McCleish, Hughes, Reid etc etc any day. Coupled with a Director of football, then I wouldn't be despairing. Far from my first choice, but as I said, better than any of the above. Only my opnion though.
Who is it you want?
so would i
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Pelligrini at 99/1 at Betfair. I wonder if a few texts/tweets/facebook/posts to various sites could make his odds tumble...
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To appoint someone who has no experience at this level i.e Bradley would be so underwhelming, what fans need is a manager that gives them hope that the agenda for Villa hasn't changed.
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Maradona anyone ? He's out of work.
I'll get me coat.
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Ha ha, that was the least convincing ruling of ones self out ever from McLeish on SSN just now.
Oh cracking, what did he say?
I don't want him but a bit of speculation to wind them up resulting in a statement from our board saying 'Alex McLeish is not on our shortlist' would be great.
I don't want him and I don't want them to think we'd consider that their manager would in anyway be qualified to manage us.
I've been telling my nose mates that we are interested in having him manage our canteen and that it would be a big step up for him.
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I'd take a punt on him over, Curbishly, Allardyce, Bruce, McCleish, Hughes, Reid etc etc any day.
I'd take Bruce, McCleish and Hughes ahead of Bradley. But what we need is a manager better than Martin, which I don't think any of them are.
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Diego is as mad as a box of frogs- we would have 35 ex -Argie Int as Coaches
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didnt we say we wanted someone a bit different, not same old same old,
time to take a bit of a risk, well Bob Brad is it.
as soon as it looks like a manager no one knows much about is coming, its all 'no prem experience' ' no transfer knowledge' no this no that,
thats what a 'breath of fresh' is, the unpredicable
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If we're going for something different in the way you suggest I'd rather take a punt on Klinsmann.
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If we're going for something different in the way you suggest I'd rather take a punt on Klinsmann.
so would i,
but we are not being linked with him in the same way, so i'm just making a case for BB,
but i'm with you, there are better opptions in my view, and Klinsman would be one of them
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To appoint someone who has no experience at this level i.e Bradley would be so underwhelming, what fans need is a manager that gives them hope that the agenda for Villa hasn't changed.
Playing devils advocate for a minute. Do we really need what is best for the fans? or the best man for the job?
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Is the Brad III resignation rumour bullshit? Please someone tell me it's bullshit.
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Is the Brad III resignation rumour bullshit? Please someone tell me it's bullshit.
It's bullshit.................................until it's proven not to be :-)
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There is no standout candidate and our club is low in the ratings following Mons exit. Add in all the negative speak on balancing the books, players leaving, a lack of dynamism from the clubs leadership, talkof low funding, is it at all surprising the candidate list is so poor.
As things are Blues, fulham, even Blackpool must seem better propositions, its nearly as bad as the Ellis days.
We need strong vibrant and positive leadership, its obvious from the initial media coverage when Mon quit, the clubs profile is not good, its much below what it should and needs to be.
Is it surprising then that the likes of Bradley, McClaren,Sven, Hoddle is the best we can expect. Perhaps an unknown or little known talent who can make up for lack of experience with ability and a desire to make a name is our best option. Villa is not te poisoned challice for managers it once was but it doesn't look, on recent press, the most dynamic hungry for success club either.
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Is the Brad III resignation rumour bullshit? Please someone tell me it's bullshit.
It's bullshit.................................until it's proven not to be :-)
SSN aren't reporting anything about Bradley resigning.
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Hooray ! Another vote for Martinez. Keep them coming !
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Hooray ! Another vote for Martinez. Keep them coming !
he's now joint 10th favourite, not bad from a late entry
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/2010-08-13/exclusive-bradley-quits-usa
Noooooooooooo!
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Hooray ! Another vote for Martinez. Keep them coming !
Vote Pedro !
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TTUiOy9IpG7lKM:http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/ja45/pedro-martinez-33711.jpg&t=1)
Seriously though, Roberto Martinez would be a good shout
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/2010-08-13/exclusive-bradley-quits-usa
Noooooooooooo!
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
All hail Brad III
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/2010-08-13/exclusive-bradley-quits-usa
Noooooooooooo!
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
All hail Brad III
Yesssssssssssss Noooooooooooo Maybeeeeeeeeee Arrrrgggghhhhhhh Eeeeeeeeeeek
Speculative nonsense at best at the moment.
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sfx412
As things are Blues, fulham, even Blackpool must seem better propositions, its nearly as bad as the Ellis days.
Seriously.......
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I quite like the idea of Martinez as well. He's one of those who could have the potential to be another Wenger, plays good football and is young and hungry. Could be a perfect combination, I'd certainly have him on my shortlist. He'd be one hell of a risk though... I'm glad I don't have to make this decision!
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Very hot rumours from talksport that Bob Bradley will become the new Villa manager. Oh dear, an American with no European football playing nor management experience. Let's hope he at least appoints very experienced assistants.
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Very hot rumours from talksport that Bob Bradley will become the new Villa manager. Oh dear, an American with no European football playing nor management experience. Let's hope he at least appoints very experienced assistants.
Don't go there!
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Very hot rumours from talksport that Bob Bradley will become the new Villa manager. Oh dear, an American with no European football playing nor management experience. Let's hope he at least appoints very experienced assistants.
Bob Bradley = Dr Jo?
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talksport only get their news from Sky and papers etc....They have no ITK....
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Very hot rumours from talksport that Bob Bradley will become the new Villa manager. Oh dear, an American with no European football playing nor management experience. Let's hope he at least appoints very experienced assistants.
Bob Bradley has quit his job with the United States national team and is set to be named the new manager of Aston Villa, talkSPORT understands.
The USA coach has emerged as the favourite to succeed Martin O'Neill, who resigned earlier this week following a disagreement with chairman Randy Lerner about how to take the club forward.
Bradley took the USA to the second round of the World Cup in South Africa this summer and fellow American Lerner is said to be a big fan of the work he has done with his country's national team.
The 52-year-old, who has previously managed MLS sides including DC United and Chicago Fire, will not be in England in time for Villa's opening Premier League fixture against West Ham tomorrow, but is expected to be unveiled as the new man at the helm at Villa Park next week.
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If there's anything in this he'll be at the ground tomorrow.
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If Randy gives Bradley the job he will lose a lot of support at Villa imo
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sfx412
As things are Blues, fulham, even Blackpool must seem better propositions, its nearly as bad as the Ellis days.
Seriously.......
Ditto! Really? that is a very dramatic statement. Unlike you and not in fitting with your other posts.....................looks for the tumbleweed emotion.
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If Randy gives Bradley the job he will lose a lot of support at Villa imo
Unless he delivers.
Big, big risk if he appoints Bradley.
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I can't believe Randy would do that.
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I just can't believe that after a thorough search, the best qualified man they could find to manage Aston Villa would be Bob Bradley.
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I wonder if the players have been consulted, could end up a munity of the players in the team rather than the dregs out of the team slagging MON off.
I have put £20 on Bradley at 6/4 to be the next manager so that should put the kibosh on it.
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If we want to punch above our weight, we need to take some sort of (calculated) gamble. Bradley has succeeded in every role he's had (a few dodgy months at Metrostars perhaps) and has been in management almost 30 years.
The one thing that would guarantee us a return to mid-table mediocrity, if we ever left, would be a Hughes/Allardyce/McLaren type appointment. My personal choice would be an up-and-coming European manager, such has a Rangnick or Martinez. I don't think the benefit of Sven would justify the outlay.
I'd be nervously content with Bradley.
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I will give Bradley a chance if appointed, and is a more interesting prospect than some of the dross mentioned. I think even if we got the best possible replacement, we'd do well to top 6th.
Most people were clamouring for a manager with more a modern coaching approach, which surely he would have. Likewise, his integration of younger players into the USA squad might translate well with our squad.
Hopefully, if appointed he will be given time, as realistically it will be a transitional season where 8th might be realistic. This for some won't be good enough.
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the bloke's team topped his world cup group which included England, he's hardly useless,
i know England are rubbish, but never the less,
Spain, you know the world champions, had only lost one game before the WC in two years, you guessed it against the USA
if the man was European, we'd all be welcoming him, its because he's American, and they know nowt about football.
this is the big risk we wanted, the brave new world for the Villa,
i dont know whether he'l be any good or not,
but to say he'l be a disaster and take Villa down etc is just a load of crap
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Bradley's appointment would be a fiasco.
One of the toughest leagues in the world and we could be asking a man with no experience of running a European club to steady the ship.
Just what sort of player can we hope to attract with a novice on board?
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I can't help thinking that the likes of Ashley Young would'nt hang around if the club went down the road of appointing the likes of Bob Bradley.
MON had his faults, but he has left the next manager with a good platform to work on. Let's not ruin it by giving the job to someone who would be a risk.
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Spain, you know the world champions, had only lost one game before the WC in two years, you guessed it against the USA
In that case, maybe we should employ the Swiss coach?
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i have got this feeling that kev macdonald is going to do a good job !!
I know its only the reserve league but you aint a bad manager if you can win 3 titles on the bounce !!
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anyway i wont believe anything untill its confirmed in golden muppets with good ITK from someones best friends Mum
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As things are Blues, fulham, even Blackpool must seem better propositions, its nearly as bad as the Ellis days.
(http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/9186969/2/istockphoto_9186969-mad-cuckoo-clock.jpg)
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This could prove a disaster if BB is appointed. :'(
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Ronald Koeman rumour. Hmmmm... maybe he would be OK.
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Anyone waking up from a coma after 10 years to hear our manager had resigned over a lack of transfer funds and the replacement was going to be the US coach would think Ellis was still here and go back to sleep for a bit longer.
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Maye the comic sans font on his cv was the clincher after all for Bob Bradley!
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Spain, you know the world champions, had only lost one game before the WC in two years, you guessed it against the USA
In that case, maybe we should employ the Swiss coach?
Ottmar Hitzfeld ? Twice a Champions League winner ? Yes please.
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Ronald Koeman rumour. Hmmmm... maybe he would be OK.
What Koeman rumours ? I think he'd be ok as well.
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Bradley has done well with the States and may very well be a good coach. However, this is not the type of risk I think we should be taking. I'd be quite happy with someone like Rangnick/Martinez, as I can see the upside. However, Bradley (while I stress again he may be a good caoch) has no experience of dealing with the over inflated egos of European players. He has zero experience of managing in a European league. Most worringly, I'm pretty sure he has no real contacts from a scouting point of view and I think this has to be one of the primary qualities of the new manager.
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if bradley came here, a man with no experience of european football , players or english football then i think we would be in a relegation fight and crowds would fall massively .
id expect albion fans to cause uproar if there club appointed someone like bradley so if he came to villa i think that would signal we are a small time club with a small time chairman.
im sure thats not the case and cannot see bradleys name being even thought of for a second.
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Is anyone else concerned about their Bluenose mates coming out with the "I thought he died under a tram in Blackpool?" jokes if it is Bradley?
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Bradley's appointment would be a fiasco.
One of the toughest leagues in the world and we could be asking a man with no experience of running a European club to steady the ship.
Just what sort of player can we hope to attract with a novice on board?
I agree.
It would be a sure sign that the board were absolutely bonkers if you ask me.
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Bradley has done well with the States and may very well be a good coach. However, this is not the type of risk I think we should be taking. I'd be quite happy with someone like Rangnick/Martinez, as I can see the upside. However, Bradley (while I stress again he may be a good caoch) has no experience of dealing with the over inflated egos of European players. He has zero experience of managing in a European league. Most worringly, I'm pretty sure he has no real contacts from a scouting point of view and I think this has to be one of the primary qualities of the new manager.
the problem with appointing someone like Martinez, who is my first choice as it happens,
is that you would be asking him to do the same as what MON did, and walk out close at the start of the season.
and if he did, it wouldnt say a lot about the man, so would we want that sort of character as the manager.
could obviously wait with Mcdonald, untill the right time came , but it would still seem a little under hand
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Bradley's odds continue to go down. Probably just a reflection on today's rumours
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if bradley came here, a man with no experience of european football , players or english football then i think we would be in a relegation fight and crowds would fall massively .
id expect albion fans to cause uproar if there club appointed someone like bradley so if he came to villa i think that would signal we are a small time club with a small time chairman.
im sure thats not the case and cannot see bradleys name being even thought of for a second.
werent you one of MON biggest critics, wanted him out every post you made,
well now you've got your wish, but your still not happy, because it doent look like working out the way you want,
thats life mate, not fair is it
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Ronald Koeman rumour. Hmmmm... maybe he would be OK.
What Koeman rumours ? I think he'd be ok as well.
Daily Heil - Clicky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1302798/Aston-Villa-linked-Ronald-Koeman.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Dutch great Ronald Koeman is the latest to be linked with Aston Villa job following Martin O'Neill's resignation
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 12:04 PM on 13th August 2010
Dutch legend Ronald Koeman has emerged as one of the candidates to replace Martin O'Neill as manager of Aston Villa.
Reports in Holland have revealed that Koeman, who parted company with AZ Alkmaar last December, could be heading for Villa Park.
Koeman impressed during past spells at Benfica and PSV, where he won the Dutch title.
A host of big names have been linked with the Villa job, including Sven Goran Eriksson and Bob Bradley.
It has been rumoured that Bradley has quit his job as USA coach.
O'Neill shocked football when he quit as Villa manager on Monday.
It has since emerged that he had become frustrated with the lack of money available, and the selling of some of his top stars.
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I still think it will take a lot longer than we expect.
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if bradley came here, a man with no experience of european football , players or english football then i think we would be in a relegation fight and crowds would fall massively .
id expect albion fans to cause uproar if there club appointed someone like bradley so if he came to villa i think that would signal we are a small time club with a small time chairman.
im sure thats not the case and cannot see bradleys name being even thought of for a second.
How many times were you warned to be careful what you wished for?
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Bradley's appointment would be a fiasco.
One of the toughest leagues in the world and we could be asking a man with no experience of running a European club to steady the ship.
Just what sort of player can we hope to attract with a novice on board?
I agree.
It would be a sure sign that the board were absolutely bonkers if you ask me.
It COULD be a disaster. It could be a masterstroke. It could fall somewhere in the middle. How anyone can be so definitive about someone that they (presumably) know very little about is beyond me.
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There is more chance of Omar Bradley being our next manager.
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Dawg and john e - let me state I am delighted o neill has gone , but now let's move on with Sven, bilic, klinsmann or jol!
As far as mon is concerned good riddance - as far as Bradley is concerned I don't think randy is stupid enough to appoint a man with no European experience!If he does it will be a blow but at least it's not o neill!
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Arsene Wenger was considered a bit of a risky appointment when he was whisked away from that footballing giant that is the J-League. "Arsene Who?" were the headlines.
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And it's not being anti American throughout the club, it's more down to experience.
We can't have a new Manager who is in effect, learning on the job.
That scenario could lead to relegation or a relegation battle as opposed to fighting for a top 5 place in the Prem.
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Bradley has done well with the States and may very well be a good coach. However, this is not the type of risk I think we should be taking. I'd be quite happy with someone like Rangnick/Martinez, as I can see the upside. However, Bradley (while I stress again he may be a good caoch) has no experience of dealing with the over inflated egos of European players. He has zero experience of managing in a European league. Most worringly, I'm pretty sure he has no real contacts from a scouting point of view and I think this has to be one of the primary qualities of the new manager.
the problem with appointing someone like Martinez, who is my first choice as it happens,
is that you would be asking him to do the same as what MON did, and walk out close at the start of the season.
and if he did, it wouldnt say a lot about the man, so would we want that sort of character as the manager.
could obviously wait with Mcdonald, untill the right time came , but it would still seem a little under hand
This is a very good point. Any of us who are calling Martin disloyal for the timing of his departure must also think the same of any manager who leaves their current post to join us now.
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Whoever our next manager is, I can see Kevin MacDonald being involved. It's difficult to ask him to step up and then return to the Reserves once he's had a taste of the big time. Obviously the next few games will be the deciding factor but if things do go well, I won't be surprised to see him as number 2 to the new chap.
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Arsene Wenger was considered a bit of a risky appointment when he was whisked away from that footballing giant that is the J-League. "Arsene Who?" were the headlines.
Wenger had already managed in France successfully and knew a lot about what was turning into the best crop of players in the world. I don't see the next Viera, Anelka and Henry in Team USA.
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This is a very good point. Any of us who are calling Martin disloyal for the timing of his departure must also think the same of any manager who leaves their current post to join us now.
No, it's completely different. It just is.
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Arsene Wenger was considered a bit of a risky appointment when he was whisked away from that footballing giant that is the J-League. "Arsene Who?" were the headlines.
Had'nt he managed in Europe though with Monaco?
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Arsene Wenger was considered a bit of a risky appointment when he was whisked away from that footballing giant that is the J-League. "Arsene Who?" were the headlines.
Perhaps that's the trouble we know exactly who Bob Bradley is.
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Dawg and john e - let me state I am delighted o neill has gone , but now let's move on with Sven, bilic, klinsmann or jol!
As far as mon is concerned good riddance - as far as Bradley is concerned I don't think randy is stupid enough to appoint a man with no European experience!If he does it will be a blow but at least it's not o neill!
i'm glad MON gone, would still take BB over him, and realise thats a risk.
have more respect for Chris Smith and John M who stuck by MON till the end, they have every right to feel gutted about whoever we might get,
but the likes of me and you Risso Paulie etc, well we got our wish, if it ends up being Bob the Builder so be it. we wanted a change and got it
doesnt mean we cant have an oppinion on who we get, but the posts about relegation, uproar, the club falling appart, are rediculous for those who wanted MON out and knew the risks that went with it
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Arsene wenger had managed in France! Sven is out of work , let's get him in pronto, koeman is an interesting one though too.
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This is a very good point. Any of us who are calling Martin disloyal for the timing of his departure must also think the same of any manager who leaves their current post to join us now.
No, it's completely different. It just is.
Yeah, it's miles different. MON walked out on us, presumably because he threw his toys and had a tantrum. If someone left another club for us, their club would be given compensation and it'd be for the managers career aspirations and job hopes. As opposed to MON's bruised ego and arrogance.
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First post so all very exciting though I've been lurking in the shadows for a few years now!
Re. Brad III - wouldn't surprise me if Randy was considering this as a way into the American market. Though small at the moment there is a lot potential support (and money) there and it would no doubt be quite big news in the 'soccer' world and raise our profile. From a business perspective it may make some sense but it is a big risk in my opinion.
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This is a very good point. Any of us who are calling Martin disloyal for the timing of his departure must also think the same of any manager who leaves their current post to join us now.
No, it's completely different. It just is.
Yeah, it's miles different. MON walked out on us, presumably because he threw his toys and had a tantrum. If someone left another club for us, their club would be given compensation and it'd be for the managers career aspirations and job hopes. As opposed to MON's bruised ego and arrogance.
i think daves tongue was jammed in his cheek when he said that
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Dawg and john e - let me state I am delighted o neill has gone , but now let's move on with Sven, bilic, klinsmann or jol!
As far as mon is concerned good riddance - as far as Bradley is concerned I don't think randy is stupid enough to appoint a man with no European experience!If he does it will be a blow but at least it's not o neill!
i'm glad MON gone, would still take BB over him, and realise thats a risk.
have more respect for Chris Smith and John M who stuck by MON till the end, they have every right to feel gutted about whoever we might get,
but the likes of me and you Risso Paulie etc, well we got our wish, if it ends up being Bob the Builder so be it. we wanted a change and got it
doesnt mean we cant have an oppinion on who we get, but the posts about relegation, uproar, the club falling appart, are rediculous for those who wanted MON out and knew the risks that went with it
This is a good point. I'm sure there are those who wanted MON out, that are not impressed with the list of candidates the bookies have lined up.
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The posts about relegation really only emphasise the cult of personality O’Neill was able to develop and that exists amongst the media.
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This is a very good point. Any of us who are calling Martin disloyal for the timing of his departure must also think the same of any manager who leaves their current post to join us now.
No, it's completely different. It just is.
Yeah, it's miles different. MON walked out on us, presumably because he threw his toys and had a tantrum. If someone left another club for us, their club would be given compensation and it'd be for the managers career aspirations and job hopes. As opposed to MON's bruised ego and arrogance.
Yes, I could just picture us now wishing Martin a cheery 'farewell and thank you' if he left us to go manage Liverpool within a week of the season starting.
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Arsene wenger had managed in France! Sven is out of work , let's get him in pronto, koeman is an interesting one though too.
I don't recall Sven pulling up any trees at his last two jobs (Mexico and Ivory Coast). Sven to me is just taking
any job that comes along.
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The posts about relegation really only emphasise the cult of personality O’Neill was able to develop and that exists amongst the media.
I think we have too many good players to be in any serious relegation trouble, but I do think Bradley is the wrong man for the job and would get less out of our players than MON did.
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Odds on with all bookies now on oddschecker (Bradley that is) im sure this means very little, but all this gossip and rumours makes the day go a little quicker
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This is a good point. I'm sure there are those who wanted MON out, that are not impressed with the list of candidates the bookies have lined up.
Though that list could have been a lot stronger if his holiness hadn't dumped us at this late stage.
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Talksport is saying that Bob Bradley is the new Manager
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/2010-08-13/exclusive-bradley-quits-usa (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/2010-08-13/exclusive-bradley-quits-usa)
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Very good read here by the boy Moxley.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1302785/Aston-Villa-fresher-Martin-ONeill.html
O'Neill's timing was poor but his departure can help freshen up life at Aston Villa
The ‘Martin O’Neill quits Villa Park’ story wasn’t a surprise.
The timing of it most certainly was.
Before the dust settles on the two-minute walkout at Bodymoor Heath this week, it’s perhaps important to nail exactly what the issues were that drove the Irishman to the exit door. Let’s study the evidence. As ever in football, money plays its’ part. And it did so here.
O’Neill has gone on record confirming that he had influence over every aspect of life at Villa Park. As such, he had the final say on transfers and the money being spent.
It would be wrong to label Randy Lerner as ‘naïve.’ But it could be said that he was new to the English game. He bought into O’Neill. He was, at least initially, prepared to try and bridge the financial gap that existed four years ago between the big boys and the rest. So, the Ulsterman was afforded free reign in that respect.
He was allowed to bring in whosoever he chose. Subsequently, it follows that because he was so ‘hands-on’ he also agreed wages. Now, Lerner and his colleagues perhaps can be accused of placing too much faith in a football manager. They won’t be the first to make that mistake.
But what do you do while you learn the ropes? (No prizes for anyone saying that allowing Steve Stride to leave possibly wasn’t the smartest move.) And for all the dreadful timing - whether it pre-planned I suspect we will never know - O’Neill has not left behind a squad bereft of talent.
Villa finished sixth last season. And, okay, James Milner will move on next week but not one single person I’ve spoken to during the course of the past few days does not think that receiving £17m and Stephen Ireland in return from Manchester City is anything but good business.
So, on the pitch, O’Neill did a good job. He had £120m to spend over four years, finished sixth in the last three seasons, qualified for European football’s second most-important club competition and blasted the wage structure to pieces. Oh, and he also reached a Wembley final. Not bad at all.
On the flipside, Harry Redknapp inherited a better squad, spent not even half that money and lifted Spurs into the top four. Inside 18 months.
Off the pitch, O’Neill got it badly wrong. Paying Habib Beye over £40,000-a-week? Do me a favour. Luke Young over £40,000-a-week? That’s £80k every seven days on two full-backs who almost never played.
On occasion, I reckoned last season there were times when O’Neill’s bench was tying up over £250,000 per week in wages. That’s £12-13m a year for people to warm their backsides, given the lack of rotation. No wonder Randy Lerner wanted cut-backs.
O’Neill was a manager who played hardball with his players, Villa’s office staff, Villa’s punters, the media and his owner. But if nothing had been done to address the financial situation, then there was always likely to be a parting of the ways.
However, as we all sit here, 24 hours before the dawn of a new season, I cannot help but think there will be a renewed freshness about life in B6. No more rows over the Milner transfer money, no more ‘will they, won’t they,’ spending plans, no more paranoia that seeped into every nook and cranny about players/staff/punters speaking out of turn fearing they would incur O'Neill' wrath.
Ooh, let’s wear happy faces. Kevin MacDonald is a Villa man. He has been responsible for bridging that gap between the highly-successful Academy and the first-team. Bad habits have been eradicated. Good habits have been picked up.
The players regard him highly. He is quiet and won’t go shouting about his own abilities from the rooftops. There are no obvious other candidates, either, which should help MacDonald’s cause.
It is my understanding that Villa are prepared to push the boat out too. Ashley Young’s new contract should prove that.
Personally, I just think Randy Lerner lost faith in Martin O’Neill’s ability to spend his money wisely.
It doesn’t mean that the American won’t back the next manager. Doug Ellis always managed to find a few quid to back his new man too.
Will that be Kevin MacDonald? I hope so. It would be heartening to see a highly-regarded British coach promoted from within a club to make a success of the Villa job
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I would be very fucking angry if Bob Bradley got the job. But he won't, so there is no need to worry.
I get the impression that Randy wants a name with a bit of sparkle to it.
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First post so all very exciting though I've been lurking in the shadows for a few years now!
Re. Brad III - wouldn't surprise me if Randy was considering this as a way into the American market. Though small at the moment there is a lot potential support (and money) there and it would no doubt be quite big news in the 'soccer' world and raise our profile. From a business perspective it may make some sense but it is a big risk in my opinion.
I think you have a really strong point there. It would be a shame to appoint a manager based on a decission to make the club more attractive to American investment. We all know how patriotic the yanks are.
Surely making the decision based on what is good for the club and moving it forward is the number one priority, in turn a bigger more successful club will then attract foreign investment. But maybe randy doesn't see us being able to get that. So appointing an American manager, with an American owner would help break the American Market.
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Sure many of us wanted mon out but that's because we want a decent proven manager, bradley lacks experience at this level.
Still if worst happens I would still prefer him to o neill.
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I am one of the 21 posters who chose BB in the Poll above. It's not that I think he's the man for the job, it's just that the rest of the list was so incredibly poor, that I thought an unknown is worth a shot.
Apart from Moyes, and maybe Billic, I would take a drunk from the Witton Arms over the other contenders on that list!
Welcome to Birmingham Bob and Good Luck!
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Ronald Koeman?
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If Bradley were appointed to crack the American Market then I would suggest the wrong man would be running our club- hope it doesn't happen , but interesting theory.
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As one of the token Yanks on H&V, I feel it my duty to comment on the breaking news, err, gossip. An American manager at Villa may or may not crack the American Market. One thing would have much greater odds of success at cracking the American Market - and that is WINNING! I don't think Bob Bradley can help Villa win any more than any of the other names in the poll. I'm really hoping all this Bob Bradley talk is rubbish.
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Great piece by Moxley
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You're right east19. But he's a businessman before a football club owner. He isn't in the same league as man city's and chrlsea's owners where this is just a toy that when they get bored will just throw it to one side when something newer and shinier comes along. So he does and will have to do things from a business point of view.
That doesn't mean his intentions are bad. Jut that maybe, he needs to break that Market. Get a few million Americans buys Ashley young or brandley jr shirts along with tv deals to be able to compete with man city in the long run.
I'm certainly not saying that is what he is doing by the way. The strange, wonderful thing about this hurdy girdy is that absolutely nobody knows what this man is going to do. And because he his so private nobody knows what is is like so can't even second guess him.
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Arsene Wenger was considered a bit of a risky appointment when he was whisked away from that footballing giant that is the J-League. "Arsene Who?" were the headlines.
Mourinho also had zero Premier League experience befroe joining Chelsea.
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Arsene Wenger was considered a bit of a risky appointment when he was whisked away from that footballing giant that is the J-League. "Arsene Who?" were the headlines.
Mourinho also had zero Premier League experience befroe joining Chelsea.
You're right, but he had done ok at Porto don't you think!
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Arsene Wenger was considered a bit of a risky appointment when he was whisked away from that footballing giant that is the J-League. "Arsene Who?" were the headlines.
Mourinho also had zero Premier League experience befroe joining Chelsea.
But both had experience within European football and with setups that have transfer systems. BB might be a good coach but he has no experience of being a manager.
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Mourinho also had zero Premier League experience before joining Chelsea.
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But he also had already won a Champions League title with Porto. Bob Bradley has only one domestic league win and two domestic cup wins. Mourinho, before Chelsea, had two domestic league wins, one domestic cup win, a domestic super cup win, a UEFA cup win, and a Champions League win. Sounds like apples and oranges. But I'm glad at least somebody is being optimistic.
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/08/13/aston-villa-bob-bradley-quits-as-usa-coach-97319-27056582/
Birmingham Mail jumping on the TalkSport / Sky bandwagon.
Only alongside someone like Sven surely.
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Apart from Moyes, and maybe Billic, I would take a drunk from the Witton Arms over the other contenders on that list!
Yeah, Jol, Hitzfeld and Pellegrini, what utterly shit managers they are, ey?
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No sign of it anywhere from official sources on the Internet. Even if he does resign that doesn't mean he'll be our next manager. Randy first said that he'll get someone in by the Newcastle game. Then he said he's in no rush what so ever. You wouldn't come out saying those things if you're about to tie up a manager so soon. U say those things because at the moment there absolutely no one on the radar
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its probably a load of Talkshite bollocks, but if it IS Bradley, then surely theyd have the sense to bring a Director of Football type who knows their European tranfer market eggs to work alongside?
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its probably a load of Talkshite bollocks, but if it IS Bradley, then surely theyd have the sense to bring a Director of Football type who knows their European tranfer market eggs to work alongside?
That would make sense - a Sven and Brad dream ticket?
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Just been told by someone I trust to tell the truth. One of our players(who shall remain nameless) was out on the razzle after the Valencia game ripping MON to pieces. Saying the players didn't really like him very much and that his tactics were shite. This was while he was still in charge as well.
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Just been told by someone I trust to tell the truth. One of our players(who shall remain nameless) was out on the razzle after the Valencia game ripping MON to pieces. Saying the players didn't really like him very much and that his tactics were shite. This was while he was still in charge as well.
Would that be one of the first team? It would be more interesting if it was since the media seem to think his first 11 all loved him.
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be hillarious if it was milner and now that he has gone milner wants to stay... well it wont be hillarious, will be great
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Played plenty of games in the first team, that's all i'm saying on it.
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What nationality is he? Does he wear glasses?
Only joking. Lol
It's like our very own version of the classic MB games Guess who.
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Bradley's appointment would be a fiasco.
One of the toughest leagues in the world and we could be asking a man with no experience of running a European club to steady the ship.
Just what sort of player can we hope to attract with a novice on board?
I agree.
It would be a sure sign that the board were absolutely bonkers if you ask me.
I wouldn't go that far. The guys an American, he's a decent run of results behind him as US manager, and I'd guess wouldn't ask a Premium like some. He's a good organiser and tactically quite incisive and if the reports are to be believed Randy is a keen fan of his.
Obviously he has never worked at this level, but then some have been advocating Cowans and McDonald, he has no experience of the European transfer market, but according to reports in the World Cup has a good knowledge of players World Wide, both tactically and in some instances personally. Besides if he is joining we don't know as what sort of package he will do so, perhaps he will be alongside someone else.
Not my idea of where we should be going but I can see his merits.
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SSN have just said that they understand Bradley has not resigned as manager of the USA side. Thank God for that.
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SSN have just said that they understand Bradley has not resigned as manager of the USA side. Thank God for that.
Thank whichever God you pray to for that one, everybody.
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SSN have just said that they understand Bradley has not resigned as manager of the USA side. Thank God for that.
If it was one of them fit birds they have that said it, then it might qualify as a wet dream.
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Bradleys contract isn't being renewed as I understand it- if he leaves I don't think it will mean he's going to the villa boss in the slightest.
Karl , this mystery player , am I correct in believing his initials are jc?
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This is getting tedious now.
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Bradleys contract isn't being renewed as I understand it- if he leaves I don't think it will mean he's going to the villa boss in the slightest.
Karl , this mystery player , am I correct in believing his initials are jc?
You might have to be a little more subtle than that... Karl was this while they were in The Rocket Club? LOL
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The players have to respect the new Manager, I am not sure that Bob Bradley would get that respect, the players will make or break a Manager.
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It's a resounding no for Bob.
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I hope he's bob no hope
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prefer Bob to Sven, though...especially if he can persuade Donovan to come!
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That's a no to Bradley - for now. He has to prove himself in Europe but I think the level of Fulham would be a better place to start than Villa. He's not got the charisma or guarantee of exciting football that Klinnsman or Bilic, despite their lack of experience, would bring to the table to encourage you to take a gamble on them, so he has to work his way, like Hodgson or Jol, into a position where he becomes a viable option for bigger clubs. This might take a year, it might take ten, but that's what he has to be thinking. To be honest, starting at the Fulham level is one hell of a level to be starting at.
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SSN have just said that they understand Bradley has not resigned as manager of the USA side. Thank God for that.
I knew it was typical TalkSport sh*t-stirring.....
No sign of it on any half-reputable site.
And no, I can't name any of them.
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I can't personally see why Bilic is more acceptable option than Bradley just because he has managed Hadjuk Split for a season. Arguably Bradley is better qualified, he's managed 2 league teams (albeit not in europe) and is a far more successful national manager than Bilic. I dont remember seeing Croatia at the World Cup??
Bilic for me is the Croatian equivalent of being linked to Roy Keane
Edit: just seen on Wiki he only managed Hadjuk Split for 5 games
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SSN have just said that they understand Bradley has not resigned as manager of the USA side. Thank God for that.
phew
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I cant look at Bilic without thinking of his disgusting antics in the WC Semi final 1998 when he got Larry White (Laurent Blanc) sent off, meaning he missed the WC Final.
Oh, and he just looks really shifty.
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Looking at the votes more ppl have vote for Bilic, klinsmann, curbs and o'leary than hitzfeld and pellegrini, ones with a proven European history.
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Looking at the votes more ppl have vote for Bilic, klinsmann, curbs and o'leary than hitzfeld and pellegrini, ones with a proven European history.
That's because the last two were added late, when most votes had already been cast.
Please, remember that stories like the Bradley one are all part of Ian Robathan's evil plan to destroy the internet.
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Someone who seems to have been overlooked by everyone is Didier Deschamps.....
Has proven himself a good manager in France, a World Cup winning captain who also played in the Premier League.
That is someone I could get excited about.
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I can't personally see why Bilic is more acceptable option than Bradley just because he has managed Hadjuk Split for a season. Arguably Bradley is better qualified, he's managed 2 league teams (albeit not in europe) and is a far more successful national manager than Bilic. I dont remember seeing Croatia at the World Cup??
Bilic for me is the Croatian equivalent of being linked to Roy Keane
Edit: just seen on Wiki he only managed Hadjuk Split for 5 games
I don't think that's particularly as relevant as the fact that Bilic knows the European game, showed from Croatia that he knows how to integrate young players into an established side and get them playing exciting football without much practice time, so he could do even better with practice time. Although Croatia have some good attackers, their squad doesn't go deep and have very little defensively, whereas Bradley showed that American fitness and defensive ability resources far outstrip many countries in the world.
Also, do you not think that Croatia, competing for one of three automatic spots as opposed to one automatic spot, would not have qualified from a group consisting of Mexico, Honduras, Costa Rica, El Salvador and Trinidad and Tobago? Or that Bilic wouldn't have qualified the USA from that group? Hardly a great achievement.
Bradley has shown some short-term pragmatist tactical acumen. But he has not shown he knows how to build a team or how to play exciting football, nor that he has great knowledge of the European game. I've detailed Bilic's qualities elsewhere so often so forgive me for not doing so again, but I believe him to be a far better candidate than Bradley.
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Looking at the votes more ppl have vote for Bilic, klinsmann, curbs and o'leary than hitzfeld and pellegrini, ones with a proven European history.
That's because the last two were added late, when most votes had already been cast.
Please, remember that stories like the Bradley one are all part of Ian Robathan's evil plan to destroy the internet.
Ah, that makes sense.
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Looking at the votes more ppl have vote for Bilic, klinsmann, curbs and o'leary than hitzfeld and pellegrini, ones with a proven European history.
I think people dilute their preferred choices with a dose of reality.
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Ha! I've always been told I've got my head in the clouds!
Hence I voted for pellegrini.
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I think Randy could spring a little suprise on us and get someone not mentioned yet or someone considered out of our league. This will be seen as a big test for him in the footballing world, his first appointment. He will want to get it right and I thought I read somewhere that when it came to coaches for the Browns he pushed the boat out. We''ll see I hope it is someone inspring like when big ron came or o'neill for that matter.
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What do people make of Ronald Koeman?
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Looking at the votes more ppl have vote for Bilic, klinsmann, curbs and o'leary than hitzfeld and pellegrini, ones with a proven European history.
Although most of us worry how well placed the Villa Board are to make the right Managerial appointment, they won't get much help from the H&V poll either, I agree.
Jol is a contender, but there is no way that he is clearly ahead of other names "on the board". I wholly agree with you that the case for Bilic is slight.
Rijkaard is not even mentioned, even though his credentials eclipse most, and he is "gettable". Hitzfeld is a European Managerial collosus, and is again "gettable", yet languishes at the bottom.
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What do people make of Ronald Koeman?
Wouln't be a terrible move but I still hope for better but must admit I haven't got a clue who!
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What do people make of Ronald Koeman?
Mark Donal Node?
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Anal Dork Omen
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dark moon lane
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Naked La Moron
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Loan more dank
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MON kandor ale
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Where's Ranieri these days ?
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Roma , narrowly missed out on the Title to Inter Milan
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his one been published yet
http://football.uk.reuters.com/leagues/world/news/2010/08/13/LDE67C1K5.php?rpc=401
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I wonder if we'd have gone for Avram Grant, had he been available?
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What do you think will happens in Villa Park.
Why is he a bad choice for many of us. Apart from unsuccessful since leaving Man City.
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Top 8! No time to get in the players he wants but top 8 this season and higher next, once he's had time to wheel and deal.
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Only unsuccesful with silly international football. Notts County got promoted.
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Looks like Bradley will be our next manager.I for one welcome it, he installed a never say die attitude into an average team and remember they topped Englands group. I feel the Yank connection will see us well and hopefully he will recognise the deadwood...Heskey,Sidwell and give up and coming players a chance, Albrighton and the Fonz and Delph inparticular. Hopefully Ireland will come here too.
I feel optimistic, we should clout Wet Spam tomorrow and with the likes of Keane (who scores regularly wherever he goes) and maybe Bent or Huntlar and we will be in business!
COME ON !!!!! The future is bright, the future is Claret and Blue. :D
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If Bradley did get given the job, Randy's future credibility would depend on how he did.
As he has absolutely no experience at PL level, I would hope that is too great a risk for RL to take.
Sven would not be my choice but he offers, tremendous European experience, is used to coping with UK media and able to stabilise and bring in decent players, as he still has great respect within Footballing circles.
Of the 2 Sven is by far the more sensible option.
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I can't personally see why Bilic is more acceptable option than Bradley just because he has managed Hadjuk Split for a season. Arguably Bradley is better qualified, he's managed 2 league teams (albeit not in europe) and is a far more successful national manager than Bilic. I dont remember seeing Croatia at the World Cup??
Bilic for me is the Croatian equivalent of being linked to Roy Keane
Edit: just seen on Wiki he only managed Hadjuk Split for 5 games
I don't think that's particularly as relevant as the fact that Bilic knows the European game, showed from Croatia that he knows how to integrate young players into an established side and get them playing exciting football without much practice time, so he could do even better with practice time. Although Croatia have some good attackers, their squad doesn't go deep and have very little defensively, whereas Bradley showed that American fitness and defensive ability resources far outstrip many countries in the world.
Also, do you not think that Croatia, competing for one of three automatic spots as opposed to one automatic spot, would not have qualified from a group consisting of Mexico, Honduras, Costa Rica, El Salvador and Trinidad and Tobago? Or that Bilic wouldn't have qualified the USA from that group? Hardly a great achievement.
Bradley has shown some short-term pragmatist tactical acumen. But he has not shown he knows how to build a team or how to play exciting football, nor that he has great knowledge of the European game. I've detailed Bilic's qualities elsewhere so often so forgive me for not doing so again, but I believe him to be a far better candidate than Bradley.
I'm not saying I want Bradley, I just don't their is the chasm of managerial experience that some people claim there is between him and the likes of Bilic. Bilic hasnt shown he has the ability to build a team either, you dont get that from international football or 5 games in charge or a league team.
If Bilic was that sought after, how come he only ever gets linked to the likes of West Ham
And Croatia didnt even make 2nd place in the WC group stages - an equally poor performance.
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If Bradley did get given the job, Randy's future credibility would depend on how he did.
As he has absolutely no experience at PL level,
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neither did Little or Gregory when they were named manager
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GREAT NEWS, bob bradley is in talks about extending his contract with usa.
(sory if its bin posted)
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If Sven gets the job alarm bells should start ringing & we may as well give El Tel a go .
both too old & not done anything of note since the England job.
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He's just not on the 'A list' of Managers anymore, and players would be a little dubious about joining a club managed by a 'has been' as opposed to a 'happening' Manager.
Time will tell ( if he gets the job), but I for one would be very disappointed if he was our next Manager.
In answer to the question - we will struggle.
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I dont want bob bradley to much of a risk being that we are so close to the top four i would prefer sven over him he know's the european market better.
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Where's Rijkaard now, since Barca?
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Bradley's appointment would be a fiasco.
One of the toughest leagues in the world and we could be asking a man with no experience of running a European club to steady the ship.
Just what sort of player can we hope to attract with a novice on board?
I agree.
It would be a sure sign that the board were absolutely bonkers if you ask me.
I wouldn't go that far. The guys an American, he's a decent run of results behind him as US manager, and I'd guess wouldn't ask a Premium like some. He's a good organiser and tactically quite incisive and if the reports are to be believed Randy is a keen fan of his.
Obviously he has never worked at this level, but then some have been advocating Cowans and McDonald, he has no experience of the European transfer market, but according to reports in the World Cup has a good knowledge of players World Wide, both tactically and in some instances personally. Besides if he is joining we don't know as what sort of package he will do so, perhaps he will be alongside someone else.
Not my idea of where we should be going but I can see his merits.
Bradley would be a complete disaster and quite an embarrassing signing for an english club the size of villa. If you bring him in you might aswell bring in rochdales coach.
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Where's Rijkaard now, since Barca?
Turkey - Galatasaray I think.
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I'd love Claudio Ranieri. Got shafted at Chelsea after doing a good job. Juventus stupidly got rid of him. Very close to embarassing Mourinho the season just gone and probably would have done if he'd been in charge of Roma from the first day last season rather than coming in after their poor start.
Is George Graham still fit for purpose? Glenda Hoddle's probably got his CV in, David Platt an'all.
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I'd like Bert van Marwijk as theres a few dutch players looking for pastures new .
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I can't personally see why Bilic is more acceptable option than Bradley just because he has managed Hadjuk Split for a season. Arguably Bradley is better qualified, he's managed 2 league teams (albeit not in europe) and is a far more successful national manager than Bilic. I dont remember seeing Croatia at the World Cup??
Bilic for me is the Croatian equivalent of being linked to Roy Keane
Edit: just seen on Wiki he only managed Hadjuk Split for 5 games
Saying Bradley is far more successful because the USA qualified for the World Cup and Croatia didn't is a bit of a red herring. The USA can't really fail to qualify from the CONCACAF region. The European qualifying section is far, far tougher.
Bilic is one of the few available that would interest me to be honest.
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Someone who seems to have been overlooked by everyone is Didier Deschamps.....
Has proven himself a good manager in France, a World Cup winning captain who also played in the Premier League.
That is someone I could get excited about.
That's a pretty good shout actually. Gettable too as he nearly went to Newcastle about 18 months ago.
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I think the question is wrong. It shouldn't be "Our next manager" but rather "who would you like to be our next manager".
Probably would produce a totally different and more meaningful result.
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UPDATE:Several outlets have misreported on our initial report, suggesting we reported that Bob Bradley had either resigned or been fired. We did not suggest either had happened, only that, according to our sources, it was unlikely Bradley’s contract would be renewed and that an official announcement could some as early as this week.
source (http://worldsoccerreader.com/2010/08/bob-bradley-set-to-depart-as-us-manager/)
This was the article that appeared on Newsnow last night (despite being 19 hours old) that was read by that fat c*nt moose, who broadcast the story on national radio which was copied by the Birmingham Fail website (before being taken down) and which has caused a flurry of bets.
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In an imperfect world, Sven is light years ahead of Bob.
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Someone who seems to have been overlooked by everyone is Didier Deschamps.....
Has proven himself a good manager in France, a World Cup winning captain who also played in the Premier League.
That is someone I could get excited about.
That's a pretty good shout actually. Gettable too as he nearly went to Newcastle about 18 months ago.
Certainly an upgrade on Bob, but his volatile relationships with the Board at Monaco and Juventus will not reassure Randy.
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What about if we want a young emerging manager, Di Matteo?
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What about if we want a young emerging manager, Di Matteo?
I think that Di Matteo has done well, but would be better served by remaining at the Baggies a little longer.
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Please not Bradley....
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I know its Talksport but:
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/2010-08-13/exclusive-bradley-quits-usa
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If it had to a former manager to take over, from GT mark 1 up to MON who would you choose? For me it would be Big Ron, he would get this team firing with a bit of flare.
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Big Ron, he would get this team firing with a bit of flare.
;D
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I love big Ron still my favorite Villa manager (of my lifetime) But those days have gone
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I know its Talksport but:
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/2010-08-13/exclusive-bradley-quits-usa
I'm praying to God this isn't true
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Sky Bet still have Big Bob at odds on,
but Koeman has come in from nowhere at 6/1 and even mcleish is down to 10/1
someone must have put a tenner on big ecc to make the odds tumble
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Just seen on Ssn that bradly opening talks to extend USA contract. Note sure where talk shite got their info from but......
PHEW!!!!!
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The person I dont want to see thrust forward is Sid Cowans. The guys an Academy genius and should stay there.
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The person I dont want to see thrust forward is Sid Cowans. The guys an Academy genius and should stay there.
Just seen on Ssn that bradly opening talks to extend USA contract. Note sure where talk shite got their info from but......
PHEW!!!!!
That arseole Moose
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The person I dont want to see thrust forward is Sid Cowans. The guys an Academy genius and should stay there.
Yes a national treasure, lets not ruin him
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I love big Ron still my favorite Villa manager (of my lifetime) But those days have gone
Ron had a great team and I honestly believe if Andy Gray had stayed as his number 2 we would have won the league, a great character too apart from (that comment)
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I originally voted for Moyes, but as he is staying at Everton, George Graham is available. He's an ex Villa player who has been a successful manager (even with Spuds).
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I originally voted for Moyes, but as he is staying at Everton, George Graham is available. He's an ex Villa player who has been a successful manager (even with Spuds).
I think you are missing an 'a' from your username manic.
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George Graham has been out of management too long things have moved on, i think that was partly what was wrong with our previous manager. Has Robertson and co left yet?
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It is interesting that although Jol is the clear Poll favourite, nothing has happened to suggest that choice is going to come about.
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It is interesting that although Jol is the clear Poll favourite, nothing has happened to suggest that choice is going to come about.
True, although neither has he ruled himself out like Moyes has.
This is the most important job Randy has has had since he came here and who we end up with will tell us everything about him and the direction the club is going in.
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Did anyone see if Sven was asked about it in the build up to the Spurs City game on sky as he is there as a pundit. So definitely in the UK.
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Did anyone see if Sven was asked about it in the build up to the Spurs City game on sky as he is there as a pundit. So definitely in the UK.
He wasn't asked about it.
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It is interesting that although Jol is the clear Poll favourite, nothing has happened to suggest that choice is going to come about.
True, although neither has he ruled himself out like Moyes has.
This is the most important job Randy has has had since he came here and who we end up with will tell us everything about him and the direction the club is going in.
To be fair Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho haven't ruled themselves out either but it doesn't make it more likely they'll join.
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Give it to MacDonald!
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Um, Kevin MacDonald?
Seriously, the lads obviously want to play for him.
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Yeah don't know about that, I'd like him in the first team set up but I don't know about manager. They were fantastic today though.
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Can we reset the poll?
I want Kevin Mac.
Yes, it was one game but he did what we've all been asking and much much more.
He knows the players like no-one else. If we can replace Milner well, then this Aston Villa side can do anything.
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There are inevitably going to be calls for MacDonald to get the job after today's game but I hope Randy will give himself a chance to see what other candidates are interested.
I'm not saying MacDonald is definitely not the answer but the instances of caretakers getting the job permanently and being successful are very very few. There's a reason for that, which is that these people are generally far better coaches than they are managers. It would be an absolutely massive step up for him.
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Um, Kevin MacDonald?
JPA's keen: http://twitter.com/JUANPABLOANGEL
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You see, after today, I do think people will start to question... why do we need to go out and get a new manager after a performance like that from the Villa today? I know West Ham are an average team, but this is the same West Ham we had a bore scoreless draw last season. You know what, I think Randy should give Macdonald a trial run, see what he can prove before we feel the need to get a 'proper manager'.
After today, I'm sure Macdonald would like another bite at the cherry against Newcastle, question is, will Randy let him? Either way, I won't be too bothered which manager we have as long as we can consistently play like how we did today.
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Allegedly we've approached Jol.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/908197/VILLA-APPROACH-JOL-FOR-TOP-JOB.html
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So Randy does come on here then to read comments ;-)
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Martin Jol and Kevin Mac would be a good partnership..
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I actually do think that's a potential great combination.
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That'd be awesome if we could get Jol.
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not convinced by jol i must say. like him but villa manager? nah. don't know why if i'm honest
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Martin Jol and Kevin Mac would be a good partnership..
Yep. That would do me. Express reckons Jol has turned us down, but they don't quote him, or anyone else, to substantiate that...
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not convinced by jol i must say. like him but villa manager? nah. don't know why if i'm honest
You mean you'd have another reason to moan and not go down the match? Well colour me surprised.
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not convinced by jol i must say. like him but villa manager? nah. don't know why if i'm honest
You mean you'd have another reason to moan and not go down the match? Well colour me surprised.
Jol's WBA connections don't trouble you then Dave? <wink>
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Jol's my first choice, and I agree that KM would be great alongside him. Maybe with Sid also. Jol is big advocate of the type of football we saw today. It was beautiful to watch. As for Jol turning us down. Bollocks. He nearly joined an inferior team in Fulham a couple of weeks back. I bet he'd swim across from Holland to manage Villa. If Ajax allow us permission he won't turn down an opportunity as big as us.
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Maccy D's Claret & Blue army all the way for me.
The football we saw today was better than a large majority of what we saw under MON, then again, it was against West Ham, probably shouldn't get too excited.
Seems to have the respect of the players. Something MON never quite seemed to posses - Too many favourites.
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I wonder would Randy baulk at pay-offs to clubs with managers. Jol could be pricey.
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Martin Jol and Kevin Mac would be a good partnership..
Would love to see this, keeping continuity and tapping into Kev Mac's wealth of knowledge about the club, whuls also rewarding him with promotion. He is highly respected as a coach, so the very least he should be first team coach. Part of MON's failure in my opinion was keeping Robertson and Walford for too long (that said they are clearly very loyal too each other as they all jumped ship together. Would still love to know how that works, did MON resign for all of them?)
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Did anyone see if Sven was asked about it in the build up to the Spurs City game on sky as he is there as a pundit. So definitely in the UK.
He wasn't asked about it.
He was after the game, though. He said that Villa "...are a big club, a huge club.." and that he would be very interested in the job. I'm beginning to suspect he might just get it, too.
EDIT: Actually, they're showing the conversation on SSN now, including where Sven points out he has had no contact with Villa.
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Trees on VT reporting Randy flying to Milan this morning ....
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Radio 5Live interviewed Sven this morning - he sounded right miffed -apparently NO contact
between him and Villa (which would appear to rule him out)
Minutes later they spoke to Phil Brown, who I know for a fact was at match yesterday........
he is keen to get back into management and would guess has submitted his cv along with
a few others to Randy
Sunday Mercury headline claims Maradonna is interested (yes its the Mercury at it again)
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Trees on VT reporting Randy flying to Milan this morning ....
Why? Who's there? Intrigued.
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Made me Snigger...
Jol was harshly dealt with by Spudz...got them to 5th just shy of CL place and then got bombed...took them how many years to get back up there with Harry and his cheque book...?
not convinced by jol i must say. like him but villa manager? nah. don't know why if i'm honest
You mean you'd have another reason to moan and not go down the match? Well colour me surprised.
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Trees on VT reporting Randy flying to Milan this morning ....
Why? Who's there? Intrigued.
Perhaps he's asking them if they have a spare Huntelaar that he could take off their hands.
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To me Martin Jol is the stand out candidate from all those touted now that Moyes has ruled himself out.
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Trees on VT reporting Randy flying to Milan this morning ....
I hope he's not grabbing some family time around the lakes. It is hell up there this time of year.
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Jol is the safe-ish option, but his pedigree is not actually that great.
Some of his buys were awful at Spurs. We need someone with a pretty hot hit rate in the market.
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Hmm - this may be an omen.
I had a dream/nightmare last night that the new manager was Alan Irvine...
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Jol is the safe-ish option, but his pedigree is not actually that great.
Some of his buys were awful at Spurs. We need someone with a pretty hot hit rate in the market.
Such as?
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Jol is the safe-ish option, but his pedigree is not actually that great.
Some of his buys were awful at Spurs. We need someone with a pretty hot hit rate in the market.
Wasn't the problem at Spurs that he didn't have control about who they brought?
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Someone was telling me firdsy night that Jol had been interviews a while back and he mentioned Aston villa. He was there Rotterdam 82. Got a ticket to the final and watched the villa boys lift the cup with the villa fans. So apparently he has always held a soft spot for Aston villa.
I really don't know if this story is true, I can't find anything on it, but my mate said he read the interview a good year or so ago.
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Some guy on 606 last night claimed Dean Saunders was the latest ' new Manager 'rumour doing the rounds at Villa Park during yesterdays game ???..........Godzvilla!
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Teemo Tanio springs to mind immediately
Paul Saltieri was pretty awful too when there. Zakora was poor too.
However, having gone and had a good look online at who he did sign, there were some corkers - Berbatov being the most obvious. Trouble is a couple of his better signings did not come into their own until he had gone. Bale being the most obvious. Befinately a value for money man on signings though with most young and saleable.
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I think the value for Money signings have been a Tottenham trait for several years. They just don't all work out (Bostock, Naughton, Walker, Etherington and his mate). Tbf Bale has now come into his own as a winger but I think most on here were saying that after watching his attacking prowess combined with his shit defending over the last few years.
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Hmm - this may be an omen.
I had a dream/nightmare last night that the new manager was Alan Irvine...
I would lay off the cheese before bedtime if I were you
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Teemo Tanio springs to mind immediately
Paul Saltieri was pretty awful too when there. Zakora was poor too.
However, having gone and had a good look online at who he did sign, there were some corkers - Berbatov being the most obvious. Trouble is a couple of his better signings did not come into their own until he had gone. Bale being the most obvious. Befinately a value for money man on signings though with most young and saleable.
They weren't his signings (the good ones or the bad ones) - they were Comolli's.
See here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/nov/02/newsstory.tottenhamhotspur)
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Yes, they are. And Etherington was signed as an 18yo back in 99. Just pointing out that they have been doing that transfer business and still are. It wasn't a Jol exclusive plan.
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Trees on VT reporting Randy flying to Milan this morning ....
Claude Puel?
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With it clear that Randy will not be spending as in previous years, I think it's essential we get a manager who has a better knowledge of the european market.No, scrub that.A manager who ACTUALLY has a knowledge of the euroean market !
Martin Jol seems like a good bet to me
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Teemo Tanio springs to mind immediately
Paul Saltieri was pretty awful too when there. Zakora was poor too.
However, having gone and had a good look online at who he did sign, there were some corkers - Berbatov being the most obvious. Trouble is a couple of his better signings did not come into their own until he had gone. Bale being the most obvious. Befinately a value for money man on signings though with most young and saleable.
Those three certainly weren't great signings, but they cost a combined total of one Nigel Reo-coker (Taino free, Zakora £5m and Stalteri undisclosed but speculated at £3m).
I don't think his record is particularly good or bad in the transfer market, but there are plenty of successful/unsuccessful signings on his record simply because spurs tend to have a high turnover of players.
Jol almost got Spurs to the Champions League, but I can't help but have that nagging doubt about what went wrong the season they got rid of him? How did he let the team drop so low?
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OK, nobody wants Maradona to be Villa manager. But it does show our profile, that the greatest player to ever kick a football is at least rumoured to want to roll up at B6 as manager. Maybe Hilts and co had a point about our status, although I'd still say that, just possibly, Mourinho is out of our reach.
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OK, nobody wants Maradona to be Villa manager. But it does show our profile, that the greatest player to ever kick a football is at least rumoured to want to roll up at B6 as manager. Maybe Hilts and co had a point about our status, although I'd still say that, just possibly, Mourinho is out of our reach.
Pele wants a word with you.
Aside from that can't disagree, whilst clearly not the right person tactically or mentally for the job it does show that big names would be interested. I think a lot of Villa fans massively undervalue the club when it comes to things like this. It's particularly upsetting when you compare our opinion of ourself to that of tottenham, west ham, everton, newcastle, etc. None of them are as big as we are but every one of those sides would be thinking that any manager in the world would be lucky to manage them, we're all worried that the manager of the swiss national team wouldn't even talk to us.
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With Hitzfeld, it's more that it would take a hell of a club offer for him to leave international management, I think he's in semi-retirement now. I do think that our lack of "we're the greatest" is a quality that marks us from the likes of the London clubs and Newcastle, but we could use a bit more positive thinking of the type that I'm sure Randy subscribes to.
Also, Maradona was better than Pele, as Pele never did it in Europe ;).
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Pele never did it in Europe ;).
That'll be the erectile dysfunction.
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Cruyff was even better, as he moulded not only Holland and Ajax in his own image as a player, but also the successes of Barca and Spain at the moment are down to the foundations he laid in the 90's.
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With Hitzfeld, it's more that it would take a hell of a club offer for him to leave international management, I think he's in semi-retirement now. I do think that our lack of "we're the greatest" is a quality that marks us from the likes of the London clubs and Newcastle, but we could use a bit more positive thinking of the type that I'm sure Randy subscribes to.
Also, Maradona was better than Pele, as Pele never did it in Europe ;).
Pele chose to stay with his boyhood club when the offers from europe were coming in. Can't fault that. The telling thing is that Pele bossed the 58 world cup with pace and skill and then bossed the 70 world cup with vision and passing. Maradona was better with the ball at his feet but his overall game was miles short of Pele and their comparitive international records back that up.
I agree on cryuff to an extent in that I'd put him 2nd behind pele with maradona in third, the dutch team from the 74 wc are the best footballing side ever and he was the heartbeat of that.
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Trees on VT reporting Randy flying to Milan this morning ....
Somebody should tell Randy , Mourinho has gone to Madrid ;-)
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martin jol please or why not give kevin mcdonalld a chance? continuaty mayb a good thing
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As I said earlier in the week, I'd try for Hiddink. I'm sure people will be quick to point out the reasons why not but I say why not try?
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All hail Diego Armando Maradona. The best player to have ever played, to have scored the greatest goal of all time inspired by God. It would be awesome if he was our manager... would raise the club profile massively, aslong as he plays more than 1 midfielder and doesn't relegate us.
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All hail Diego Armando Maradona. The best player to have ever played, to have scored the greatest goal of all time inspired by God. It would be awesome if he was our manager... would raise the club profile massively, aslong as he plays more than 1 midfielder and doesn't relegate us.
And think of all the players that would flock to the Villa with him in charge...Messi, Tevez, Batistuta, Di Stefano, Kempes...
And, naturally, Ricky Villa.
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Diego needs certifying
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He managed Argentina better than Capello managed England at the World Cup. Won all 3 group games and got to the quarter-finals.
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He managed Argentina better than Capello managed England at the World Cup. Won all 3 group games and got to the quarter-finals.
Get Capello and Maradona to swap squads and see how they do.
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Anyone else feel that its not quite so urgent to get someone in quickly ?
I think the team is in good hands for the short term with KM and his support staff.
Personally, I think we need someone with far more experience to take the full time job, but for now I'm happy for Randy to take his time and get the right man.
There is no pressure to get this done quickly.
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Here are Sven's comments on the job - methinks he really wants it:
from Sporting Life
Sven-Goran Eriksson says he has received no contact from Aston Villa about their vacant manager's job.
The former England boss is without a job after leaving the Ivory Coast following the World Cup this summer, and is among the favourites to be offered the role at Villa Park following Martin O'Neill's departure.
Eriksson was linked with the position in 2006 after leaving England before O'Neill was appointed, and made no secret of his desire to make a return to management.
However he claimed he had heard nothing from the Midlands club, who may turn to caretaker Kevin MacDonald after an emphatic 3-0 victory over West Ham in their opening game of the season.
"I have had no contact with them," said Eriksson.
"I want to get back into football. It's a big club, everybody knows that, but I've had no contact. We'll see what happens.
"There are so many available managers around Europe and around the world, I'm not the only one (not contacted). And they did very well yesterday so they might not do anything."
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Here are Sven's comments on the job - methinks he really wants it:
from Sporting Life
Sven-Goran Eriksson says he has received no contact from Aston Villa about their vacant manager's job.
The former England boss is without a job after leaving the Ivory Coast following the World Cup this summer, and is among the favourites to be offered the role at Villa Park following Martin O'Neill's departure.
Eriksson was linked with the position in 2006 after leaving England before O'Neill was appointed, and made no secret of his desire to make a return to management.
However he claimed he had heard nothing from the Midlands club, who may turn to caretaker Kevin MacDonald after an emphatic 3-0 victory over West Ham in their opening game of the season.
"I have had no contact with them," said Eriksson.
"I want to get back into football. It's a big club, everybody knows that, but I've had no contact. We'll see what happens.
"There are so many available managers around Europe and around the world, I'm not the only one (not contacted). And they did very well yesterday so they might not do anything."
The encouraging thing is that he's had no contact. Long may that continue
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All hail Diego Armando Maradona. The best player to have ever played, to have scored the greatest goal of all time inspired by God. It would be awesome if he was our manager... would raise the club profile massively, aslong as he plays more than 1 midfielder and doesn't relegate us.
I think you must be on the same stuff that Diego is!
EDIT: reading it again, you weren't being serious, were you?
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Sven seems to genuinely like the club. Wasn't his first England match at Villa Park and I think his Lazio side played in the cup winners cup final at VP in 1999? He would have become more familiar with the club as England manager.
He was interested in 2006 and now he's interested again. Maybe appointing somebody who has an interest in the club going back a few years would be a good thing? Saying that I would rather Jol but Sven is beginning to creep up my pecking order!
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Sven ticks all the boxes for me. Yes, we'd get more media attention than other candidates but that's not always a bad thing if you manage the hype - it sells tickets, creates interest and hopefully attracts players to want to play for the Villa. Just look at the anti-climax we fealt when Dr Jo's appoitment was announced.
Sven's record is good (didn't Man Citeh players threaten to strike when he was booted there) and I think he's have us playing the way we want to see the Villa play.
If only I was more convinced about Director of Football roles, a Sven/Kevin Mac team might work well playing to their strengths.
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I think he's have us playing the way we want to see the Villa play.
Doesn't he play a rigid 4-4-2 of the type we've only just stopped playing?
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As an experienced Manager, I'm sure he'd play the formation that suits the players he inherites and the opposition and circumstances- be that 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 / 4-5-1. In short, the variety that we've been lacking.
The biggest point is i'm fairly positive it wouldn't include the HOOF that we'd become so dependent on under latter day MON.
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A Sven Goran Eriksson circus? No thanks.
Anyway, he'd want too much money and spunk all transfer money on expensive has beens.
We saw the future on Saturday.
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The thing about these director of football roles not working in England is that the DOF they use tends to be an older manager, so will naturally work to undermine a manager without even trying. Spurs had some luck with it, but this was because they used Arnesen, who isn't and never will be a manager. Also, the managers we have aren't used to dual set up, both as a player and in their management career, so are sceptical of it.
Were we to try it, it could only work with an overseas manager and DOF.
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I just waiting for Sven to say he's always been a Villa fan, like he was always a Liverpool and Spurs fan when those jobs were available. The only thing Sven's a fan of is money.
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I just waiting for Sven to say he's always been a Villa fan, like he was always a Liverpool and Spurs fan when those jobs were available. The only thing Sven's a fan of is money.
And, I believe, what the youngsters refer to as "the bitches".
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Paddy Power really are attention-seeking weirdos. I mean, Slaven Bilic at 7/2 is fine, bit short, but fine, but then they've got Alan Curbishley at the same price, Gary Megson at 14/1 and David O'what-a-genius-I-am at 20/1. Really, they are mental.
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Curbishley may as well be 1400-1. He doesn't have a cat in hell's chance at getting the job. I would imagine every Villa fan out there would sooner it stay with KM than ever have Curbishley.
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To be honest, the list of names I'd rather see get it ahead of Kevin Mac is slowly shrinking.
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To be honest, the list of names I'd rather see get it ahead of Kevin Mac is slowly shrinking.
yep. There are one or two options that might work, but I think you're right. The one thing I am glad about MON's timing is that it eliminated Mark Hughes.
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To be honest, the list of names I'd rather see get it ahead of Kevin Mac is slowly shrinking.
yep. There are one or two options that might work, but I think you're right. The one thing I am glad about MON's timing is that it eliminated Mark Hughes.
Same, lot's of other clubs' fans saying he'd be good for us but frankly I've seen enough elbowy football from his teams to last me a lifetime. This may be controversial, but same goes for Moyes.
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I like Moyes, but I think he has his head up hs own arse if he's waiting for a bigger opportunity. Villa and Everton ae similar in many ways, but we have a chairman who would have been able to back him in the transfer market. He's not going to get that at Everton.
If he thinks he'll get Man U for example he's going to be very disappointed.
ps. One thing about Everton, is there a crapper team at the start of every season? Talk about perennially slow out of the blocks.
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I just waiting for Sven to say he's always been a Villa fan, like he was always a Liverpool and Spurs fan when those jobs were available. The only thing Sven's a fan of is money.
And, I believe, what the youngsters refer to as "the bitches".
I don't know how he got to be such a swordsman, he looks like a mekon and his teeth are in rag order.
Must be hung like a Windsock.
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why not give kevin mcdonald a chance?? he knows the club has shown loyalty, seems to be respected by the players and staff,bring dennis mortimer in in some capacity too,gordon cowans real villa men or mayb im just an old romantic.please please tell me yeah????
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I'm sticking twenty quid on Leonardo, with Randy in Milan - young, polite intelligent, speaks the lingo - I think he would be a very interesting appointment.
He also knows a lot about european football.
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I'm sticking twenty quid on Leonardo, with Randy in Milan - young, polite intelligent, speaks the lingo - I think he would be a very interesting appointment.
He also knows a lot about european football.
I think i would prefer Di Caprio or Da Vinci
What on earth would we want someone of his ilk for?
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I'm sticking twenty quid on Leonardo, with Randy in Milan - young, polite intelligent, speaks the lingo - I think he would be a very interesting appointment.
He also knows a lot about european football.
Prefer Raphael myself, he's cool but crude.
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Big name and he was responsible for taking Kaka and Pato to Milan. I wouldn't mind him bring the odd player like that to Villa Park!
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It is very interesting that Randy is reported to be in Italy...I dont think it is unreasonable to be jumping to conclusions that it has something to do with our vacant managerial position.
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I'm sticking twenty quid on Leonardo, with Randy in Milan - young, polite intelligent, speaks the lingo - I think he would be a very interesting appointment.
He also knows a lot about european football.
Prefer Raphael myself, he's cool but crude.
Yeah, either of them ahead of the nasty Shredder.
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Big name and he was responsible for taking Kaka and Pato to Milan. I wouldn't mind him bring the odd player like that to Villa Park!
Yeah, we're looking for a Head Scout.
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Preferably one with a passport this time.
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It could be a transfer under discussion ? Is could be something for his art passion. Or he is looking for an Italian Momma to cook his food :) or need some new clothes to replace his black collar shirt.
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It is very interesting that Randy is reported to be in Italy...I dont think it is unreasonable to be jumping to conclusions that it has something to do with our vacant managerial position.
Equally it appeared that he had his kids with him on Saturday so he could just be on holiday.
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Why do I get the feeling Martin Jol has just turned us down, at least until next summer:
In het Algemeen Dagblad liet Martin Jol weten niet open te staan voor eventuele interesse van Aston Villa. Jol op geheel eigen wijze op vragen daarover: "Ik wil met Ajax de Champions League in en kampioen van Nederland worden. Ze zullen dus nog even moeten wachten."
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For what its worth,I heard the Guardian podcast today,and one of them said he spoke to a couple of big knobs at Villa about the Maradona story and they were cold to the idea,and also to the idea of Sven and Bradley,which is a bonus!
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I voted for Jol. But I think Eriksson would be a good alternative. He is a proven club manager, has a lot of experience, is a good tactician (although a bit cautious) and has (presumably) international network. Ok, he didn't win the World Cup with England, but it's difficult to imagine someone who would.
I hope we don't gamble on Bradley or Klinsmann.
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There's some horrible names on that list, and I hope to God that Lerner has been advised to keep well away from the likes of Bradley, McClaren, Sven and co. The more this drags on though the more I worry who he'll get.
Lerner's managerial choice will be the definition of his Villa ambition in my opinion. Any of the above and I'll know his plans for Villa aren't as big as I once thought they were. I hope he doesn't let us down.
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Pellegrini or Bilic then?
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Pellegrini, Bilic, Leonardo - these are managers who would make the place so joyful. Their philosophies and styles of play would really make displays like that on Saturday more frequent.
Like Paulie and I, among others, have been shouting for the last year: if we're going to finish 6th-8th, let's do it in style.
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Can't recall who I voted for - there's been so much speculation and double guessing
what Randy will do and even where he's gone and what for etc,....
The Leonardo suggestion is quite attractive (and I don't mean his looks)
Apart from Premier experience he ticks the right boxes, and would be quite surreal
as I emailed my circle of Villa mates earlier in the week with his photo and that of
one of our crew that is a 'real ringer' for him
Here's another name to throw into the hat - and I believe is Milan based -
Clarence Seedorf ............no managerial experience but still a decent player unless
I am mistaken ..................yeh I know daft suggestion but it gets me near the 500 posts
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Pellegrini or Bilic then?
Pellegrini any day. They dont even compare!
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Pellegrini, Bilic, Leonardo - these are managers who would make the place so joyful.
I'd settle for any of those. Does Pellegrini speak English though?
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Pellegrini, Bilic, Leonardo - these are managers who would make the place so joyful.
I'd settle for any of those. Does Pellegrini speak English though?
Apparently. I've not heard him myself, but apparently he did a couple of years ago when at Villareal and the Liverpool job was rumoured to become available.
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Yeah, Pellegrini speaks English I think. I saw Liverpool fans saying recently he did before Hodgson got it.
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It's not going to be Jol then....
Aston Villa's search for a new manager rumbles on, but it won't include Ajax boss Martin Jol, who has ruled himself out of a move.
The former Spurs boss, who snubbed a move to Fulham last month, told Dutch paper Algemeen Dagblad that he wanted to stay as Ajax boss and lead them to the Dutch title.
"I want to play in the Champions League with Ajax and become champions of the Netherlands. So Villa have to wait therefore," he said.
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Although Jol does seem to contradict himself in the press on a regular basis
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No thanks, Muttley.
Just give the job to MacDonald. The players seem to want him, the chairman seems to want him... he might not want it but that wold be my choice unless we could get a really top manager.Even then, I like the idea of appointing somebody complete engarined into our culture and familiar with squad an club top to bottom already. If he makes a Horlicks of it, then we look for somebody else anyway. I have the feeling he wouldn't however.
Mazrim endorses K Mac and Budweisser, the king of Beers. When was your beer born?
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No thanks, Muttley.
Just give the job to MacDonald. The players seem to want him, the chairman seems to want him... he might not want it but that wold be my choice unless we could get a really top manager.Even then, I like the idea of appointing somebody complete engarined into our culture and familiar with squad an club top to bottom already. If he makes a Horlicks of it, then we look for somebody else anyway. I have the feeling he wouldn't however.
Mazrim endorses K Mac and Budweisser, the king of Beers. When was your beer born?
Complete Engarined?
You been on the pipe, maaaan?
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No thanks, Muttley.
Just give the job to MacDonald. The players seem to want him, the chairman seems to want him... he might not want it but that wold be my choice unless we could get a really top manager.Even then, I like the idea of appointing somebody complete engarined into our culture and familiar with squad an club top to bottom already. If he makes a Horlicks of it, then we look for somebody else anyway. I have the feeling he wouldn't however.
Mazrim endorses K Mac and Budweisser, the king of Beers. When was your beer born?
It is a big jump from being a decent coach to being a good manager, with all the extra shit they have to do, though.
I think it'd be a bad move.
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Agreed Paulie.
You need a certain amount of ambition/ bloody mindedness to survive the inevitable barbs after a bad result or poor sequence of results. If he's not sure that he wants the hassle he's probably best of out of it.
We can't play West Ham every week unfortunately.
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I can't help but think that if Kev Mac wanted to be a manager he'd have got a job by now.
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No thanks, Muttley.
Just give the job to MacDonald. The players seem to want him, the chairman seems to want him... he might not want it but that wold be my choice unless we could get a really top manager.Even then, I like the idea of appointing somebody complete engarined into our culture and familiar with squad an club top to bottom already. If he makes a Horlicks of it, then we look for somebody else anyway. I have the feeling he wouldn't however.
Mazrim endorses K Mac and Budweisser, the king of Beers. When was your beer born?
Complete Engarined?
You been on the pipe, maaaan?
I've had a few drinks ociffer.
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I agree, he's done well so far but I doubt he'll want it and I'm not sure I like him to get it unless he's absolutely 100% sure it's what he wants to do.
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I can't help but think that if Kev Mac wanted to be a manager he'd have got a job by now.
Yes I do wonder. I also wonder if he's ever considered he'd be in such a position as this. Maybe he's chewing it over, which is fair enough.
I do think Randy would be in favour, judging by what he said on Saturday. I like the left field element too. Here's this big job with applications flying in (you'd think) from established "names" and we go and appoint somebody from the bootroom, so to speak.
We've done it before of course, with Gregory, and I it had a dramatic impact in the first instance. I think K Mac would make a better job of it. I also dont care if somebody is media savvy or not so long as he knows and understands how to make a team play good football.
If this team know him, respect him and more importantly want to play the type of football we saw on Saturday for him, maybe we should allow them to.
I hope he says yes and gives it a shot, if offered.
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I hope whoever comes in appoints him as his number two.
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The fact that Kev Mac Has spent the last 15 years being a coach rather than take on the full responsibility of manager suggests to me he probably does not want the job, I would have thought if he had any interest in management he would have tried it by now.
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I hope whoever comes in appoints him as his number two.
Yup, that's my ideal outcome. Keep him coaching but with the first team. As Petrov said, he's got his own ideas on how he wants us to play.
If he takes the Manager's job, he'll more than likely be out on his arse in three years time.
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I can't help but think that if Kev Mac wanted to be a manager he'd have got a job by now.
Or it could be they never had any intention of offering it him, but are waiting for the Milner money to tempt a new bloke with a signing on fee and transfer kitty.
Or maybe MacDonald thinks, not unreasonably, that he has a well-paid job for life as reserve boss but could easily be out of a job in six months if he becomes manager - why risk it?
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I can't help but think that if Kev Mac wanted to be a manager he'd have got a job by now.
Right. It's almost as though if he does get it now it will be because they can't find anyone else.
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Maybe K Mac never thought he'd have the chance to manage a club of our size? A club he's already fully familiar with too.
Maybe the idea of managing a lower league club doesnt inspire him, but managing one of the top Premier league clubs does? Its a chance he'll never have again and he'd have to think about it, surely?
And if he as appointed I dont think it would be down to not being able to find anybody else at all. Somebody more suitable maybe. There will be no shortage of applicants. Some of whom will have pursuasive arguments.
And after all, if he tries it and fails, he can, in all likelihood, go back to his previous role.
I wouldn't rule this out as a possibility.
Anyway, short of getting a Hiddink or that calibre of manager, I think its worth a try.
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http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6319506,00.html
Koeman interested in the job...about as good an option as there is.
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http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6319506,00.html
Koeman interested in the job...about as good an option as there is.
He's a name but his managerial record is not that impressive. He only lasted 4 months into the season at AZ.
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I honestly think Randy's going to see what Kev Mac does in the next two games and then make a decision on Monday. Win them both and he's our new manager, should he want the job, which you couldn't really argue with!
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http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6319506,00.html
Koeman interested in the job...about as good an option as there is.
He's a name but his managerial record is not that impressive. He only lasted 4 months into the season at AZ.
He made a right fucking pigs ear of the Valencia job, he nearly caused a civil war inside six months.
Look at us Brit's going "Ooh, he was a great Dutch player, he'll do" when in all likelihood he's about as much use as Bryan Robson.
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The 47-year-old has an impressive CV as a manager after winning three Eredivisie titles while also claiming the Copa del Rey during his time in Spain.
Despite what I said about KM above, that's actually pretty decent!
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The 47-year-old has an impressive CV as a manager after winning three Eredivisie titles while also claiming the Copa del Rey during his time in Spain.
Despite what I said about KM above, that's actually pretty decent!
Doesn't winning the Copa Del Rey carry about as much importance as the Watneys Cup, though?
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Ronald Koeman 85 £2.78 £233.52 - on betfair
Shame they didn't take the other £7.22 before he opened his trap. Now I just need to see Pellegrini confirmed as a candidate and I'm quids in.
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Having had a look at Koemen's record there, maybe he wouldnt be the best shout.
I am getting a bit desperate about the situation.
I know K- Mac did a great job on Saturday and obviously has a lot of qualities, but I just cant help feeling that if his appointment went wrong, it could set us back a couple of years. Even if he does win the next 2 games playing wonderful football I still wont be convinced.
You dont judge managers on how they do when everything is plain sailing and rosy in the garden. We have no idea how he would react to 3 defeats in a row or a fall out with one of the players or any kind of adversity. Does he have it in him to steady the ship if things go a little awry?
Im not for a minute having a go at him or suggesting he wouldnt be able to cope with the above, all I am saying is that with no managerial experience we cannot be sure...nor can Randy.
In the era of the over-paid, egotistical, Premier League players, how many caretaker managers have taken over and been successful?
If he does get the job full time, I really hope it works out and we become an example to the rest of the league to promote from within, rather than going trawling around Europe appointing the latest manager to have had a good 6 months. He is a guy that Im sure will have all the fans behind him and, I would hope would be afforded a little patience. However, ultimately, his appointment would worry me.
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http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6319506,00.html
Koeman interested in the job...about as good an option as there is.
He's a name but his managerial record is not that impressive. He only lasted 4 months into the season at AZ.
He made a right fucking pigs ear of the Valencia job, he nearly caused a civil war inside six months.
Look at us Brit's going "Ooh, he was a great Dutch player, he'll do" when in all likelihood he's about as much use as Bryan Robson.
Good call on Bryan Robson. Koeman hardly set Benfica alight either.
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Don't want Koeman, he was a joke at Valencia.
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Just to be clear, I'm not enamoured with Koeman as a candidate, I just backed him on the basis of a report linking him with the job last week. It's Pellegrini or K Mac for me.
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It's Pellegrini or K Mac for me.
It's Pellegrini with K Mac for me, if Jol is not interested.
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If KM can get the team performing like they did on Saturday in the next 4 games I'd extend his caretaker role till Jan on the proviso that if it all goes wrong he can move back into his coaching role. That would take the pressure of him knowing that his future was still secure to some extent and we would keep what is obviously a very good coach.
I think to some extent that KM must have thought that he never had the ability to manage a top club and only in an instance where he is kind of forced into the role can he see that maybe he could make it as a manger after all.
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The 47-year-old has an impressive CV as a manager after winning three Eredivisie titles while also claiming the Copa del Rey during his time in Spain.
Despite what I said about KM above, that's actually pretty decent!
Doesn't winning the Copa Del Rey carry about as much importance as the Watneys Cup, though?
Must admit I don't follow it all that closely, so quite possibly. But then if had won nothing outside of Holland would we not be using that as an argument as to why we shouldn't get the job?
Personally, I'd be in two minds about Koeman. Which to be honest I am about all the realistic candidates, except Martin Jol.
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Looking at his record Koeman would be a bad move, seems like he did ok in his early managerial years but looks like damaged goods now. I don't think Mr Lerner would be so silly. I'd rather go with Maradona than Koeman!
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Looking at his record Koeman would be a bad move, seems like he did ok in his early managerial years but looks like damaged goods now. I don't think Mr Lerner would be so silly. I'd rather go with Maradona than Koeman!
God no and 1000x no. He was a bloody disaster at AZ and managed to take a team that had previously won the title to around 5th place before he was given the boot.
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It's Pellegrini or K Mac for me.
It's Pellegrini with K Mac for me,
I am also one of the 8 for Pellegrini
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It's Pellegrini or K Mac for me.
It's Pellegrini with K Mac for me,
I am also one of the 8 for Pellegrini
Pellegrini is obviously a good coach but I cant help think of Juande Ramos at Spurs.
Yes I know he won a cup for them etc etc but that was Jols team.
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Is there anyway Pellegrini would become Villa manager or are people just saying his name if they had a choice of anybody?
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Is there anyway Pellegrini would become Villa manager or are people just saying his name if they had a choice of anybody?
Why wouldn't he? Doesn't sound like he's inundated with job offers at the moment, and considering he was interested in the Liverpool job, that means that he wouldn't mind managing in England.
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Trying to keep up with this in the sweltering heat in Portugal on an iPod is quite difficult, however, has anyone mentioned rijkard?
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has anyone mentioned rijkard?
There's something about Rijkard that I don't trust. Don't think he'd cut it in England for some reason.
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Trying to keep up with this in the sweltering heat in Portugal on an iPod is quite difficult, however, has anyone mentioned rijkard?
I asked the same question a while ago and he's recently gone to manage Galatasary in Turkey.
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Looking at his record Koeman would be a bad move, seems like he did ok in his early managerial years but looks like damaged goods now. I don't think Mr Lerner would be so silly. I'd rather go with Maradona than Koeman!
Very big agree here. He sounds very like MON, picking up 19 out of 39 points at the back end of one season!
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Another factor that comes into play re Kev Mac: If we appoint him we're pretty much nailing our colours to the mast and writing this season off as a season of transition.
On the one hand, that might be OK as it will give the younger players that he knows well a chance to cement a place in the side.
On the other, a season of transition -finishing anywhere between say 7th-12th- will most likely mean that Ash will be off. For all the positive noises the players are making at the moment, It will look like we've settled, and ambitious types always want to push on and improve.
I could live with the Barry deal, the Milner deal makes good business sense. But losing one of our best players for a third year in a row would be a bit much to take. A big appointment will indicate that we still mean business, and if someone with MON's well documented limitations can get us to 6th relatively easily a better calibre of manager can maybe take the thing on further.
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has anyone mentioned rijkard?
There's something about Rijkard that I don't trust. Don't think he'd cut it in England for some reason.
How can you trust a man who spits in another mans perm?
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has anyone mentioned rijkard?
There's something about Rijkard that I don't trust. Don't think he'd cut it in England for some reason.
How can you trust a man who spits in another mans perm?
You wouldn't know what to expectorate.
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Rubbish, he's a very phlegmatic character.
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Is his agent hawking him around?
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Don't worry about Rijkard coming, it's a tissue of lies.
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randy in italy/??raneire?
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Don't worry about Rijkard coming
Worry? I would be delighted.
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Is his agent hawking him around?
Hasn't he just taken a job in Qatar?
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has anyone mentioned rijkard?
There's something about Rijkard that I don't trust. Don't think he'd cut it in England for some reason.
How can you trust a man who spits in another mans perm?
That's one of my all time favourite moments in football.
Rudi Voller's face as he looks at the ref and tugs at his gob-speckled mullet.
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Shall we remove Jol now he's said he doesn't want the job?
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That's one of my all time favourite moments in football.
Rudi Voller's face as he looks at the ref and tugs at his gob-speckled mullet.
I presume you mean Voller's face and not Rijkard's actions.
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Kevin MacDonald must already have been told that the job is his, otherwise he'd be trying to get the club in the Europa League proper so he can set the club up nicely for the new man to come in.
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Kevin MacDonald must already have been told that the job is his, otherwise he'd be trying to get the club in the Europa League proper so he can set the club up nicely for the new man to come in.
Looks like he has been advised that we can't afford to take it serious again
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What does it say about the change in attitude toward O'Neill's abilities that so many on here think a man with the grand total of five Premier League games managerial experience would be a more than adequate replacement?
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Kevin MacDonald must already have been told that the job is his, otherwise he'd be trying to get the club in the Europa League proper so he can set the club up nicely for the new man to come in.
Looks like he has been advised that we can't afford to take it serious again
i think that squad is capable of winning tomorrow night !! kev macdonald knows what he is doing i think and knows the players and he beleives that team can win
what is is doing good is taking several key players to steady the ship... friedel, downing, albrighton, heskey, davies..... i think we will be fine and then play a full team at home to finish them off, no point taking the whole squad over there because we have a more important game on sunday !! tomorrow is only the 1st leg and if we can get a draw out of it or an away goal we will be fine at home..... the thing about oniel was that he played a weakened team at home, we didnt do well and he put an even weakened team out on the 2nd away leg....
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Is his agent hawking him around?
Hasn't he just taken a job in Qatar?
He's in Turkey I think, which seems to be a hiding place for good managers at the moment.
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I cannot believe that Bradly with zero PL experience has gotten more of the vote than the very experienced Curbisley, and some of the comments here makes me think that your all a bunch of Hammers fans in digise.
The fact is we are unlikely to attract anyone better than MON, and based on the fact that the guy concerned will have very little money to spend than a guy like AC with his know how, cool head, and neat way of handling players would be perfect right now. I don't get what peoples problem with him is. Apart from what he did at Chalton, I seem to be one of the only ones who think he did a solid job at West Ham. He kept them up when they were almost nailed on to go down, and the next season they finish a very respectable tenth, and then because of a dodgy start the next season he gets the sack. Given our current situlation, and that we need a steady head he would be my choice right about now.
The only other one I would consider from that list [besides Moyles who we won't get] is Martin Jol who has done a good job pretty much anywhere he has gone, and would be that big personity we are after. My only issue with that appointment is that he might make us a little too wide open, and take away the work rate, solid defence, and hard to beat nature we have now.
My prediction is that everally we will get Bradly and with all due respect to the guy that might prove to be a disater.
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Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1304062/Ronald-Koeman-tells-Aston-Villa-I-want-boss.html) are linking Ronald Koeman with the job. Not sure how reputable their sports reporting is as I don't normally touch it with a bargepole.
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No, he just seems to be the latest in line to put himself in the picture. To be fair from the qoute I saw he has said that there have been no actual contact from the club.
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That's one of my all time favourite moments in football.
Rudi Voller's face as he looks at the ref and tugs at his gob-speckled mullet.
I presume you mean Voller's face and not Rijkard's actions.
The entire thing. Spitting is horrible, but the whole incident was hilarious, and one of those things you never forget seeing.
See also Cantona twatting that idiot at Crystal Palace.
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That's one of my all time favourite moments in football.
Rudi Voller's face as he looks at the ref and tugs at his gob-speckled mullet.
I presume you mean Voller's face and not Rijkard's actions.
The entire thing. Spitting is horrible, but the whole incident was hilarious, and one of those things you never forget seeing.
See also Cantona twatting that idiot at Crystal Palace.
That was skill.
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If we're looking for a like-for-like replacement we should go for Mike Bassett.
Tactics? Yes
Assistant Manager? Yes
First team coach? Yes
Intellectual? Who can forget Kiplin's 'If'
442? Yes
Sticks with his favourites? Yes
Sorted.
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See also Cantona twatting that idiot at Crystal Palace.
I remember reading the Observer's article 10 years after the above event. There was a photograph of a woman who was very near the Palace 'fan' and an interview with her; she had the gall to claim that briefly she was as famous as Princess Di. Some football fans have a very over-rated opinion of themselves.
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You won't find anyone with an over-rated opinion of themselves on this board....
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You won't find anyone with an over-rated opinion of themselves on this board....
Me.
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See also Cantona twatting that idiot at Crystal Palace.
I remember reading the Observer's article 10 years after the above event. There was a photograph of a woman who was very near the Palace 'fan' and an interview with her; she had the gall to claim that briefly she was as famous as Princess Di. Some football fans have a very over-rated opinion of themselves.
Maybe it's because she looks like George Michael.
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Shall we remove Jol now he's said he doesn't want the job?
Could work if we had set the poll up on an alternative vote system!
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What does it say about the change in attitude toward O'Neill's abilities that so many on here think a man with the grand total of five Premier League games managerial experience would be a more than adequate replacement?
Not much...I'd have MON back in a heartbeat if he ad Randy coulld kiss and make up.
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What does it say about the change in attitude toward O'Neill's abilities that so many on here think a man with the grand total of five Premier League games managerial experience would be a more than adequate replacement?
Not much...I'd have MON back in a heartbeat if he ad Randy coulld kiss and make up.
No thanks.
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The market is all over the shop at the moment.
Stan James have Steve Nicol - yes, Steve Nicol - at 20/1. Sven is lingering as second favourite, Ladbrokes are only offering 16/1 on McLeish (!!), and Klinsmann drifted in last week, then way out again, and is now coming in, back at 10/1ish.
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Iain Dowie?
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Iain Dowie?
Was RL at the game tonight....Dowie was summarising there for TV coverage
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OH GOD! I never meant it. Damn it man you've given me the FEAR!!
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OH GOD! I never meant it. Damn it man you've given me the FEAR!!
I didnt want to mean it either !
Just put your comments and my thoughts together as we are running out of time and hopefully RL is in conversations with whoever it is going to be by now !
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Anyone who would like to win the Europa
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There was a photograph of a woman who was very near the Palace 'fan' and an interview with her; she had the gall to claim that briefly she was as famous as Princess Di.
But that woman spent lots more time at the Palace than Di ever did, something to do with the latter not getting on very well with the in-laws or something like that...
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I cannot believe that Bradly with zero PL experience has gotten more of the vote than the very experienced Curbisley, and some of the comments here makes me think that your all a bunch of Hammers fans in digise.
The fact is we are unlikely to attract anyone better than MON, and based on the fact that the guy concerned will have very little money to spend than a guy like AC with his know how, cool head, and neat way of handling players would be perfect right now. I don't get what peoples problem with him is. Apart from what he did at Chalton, I seem to be one of the only ones who think he did a solid job at West Ham. He kept them up when they were almost nailed on to go down, and the next season they finish a very respectable tenth, and then because of a dodgy start the next season he gets the sack. Given our current situlation, and that we need a steady head he would be my choice right about now.
6th/ MON was fantastic. Curbishley for manager. You really do have a low opinion of the club, don't you? Either that or low expectations.
If you're saying all the above in jest then kudos to you.
Unfortunately I think you're being serious.
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Curbishley? Fuck off, you ought to stay away from the pills.
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Klinsmann could have the same effect as Guillit did for Chelsea as a player. Everyone in football wondering why this world-famous name is pitching up at a mid-ranking English club.
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I don't know if I'm a supporter of Klinsmann or not, but could the argument be made that Guillit raised the profile of a mid-ranking club attracting better players than they might have got before he arrived?
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Gullit went to Chelsea as he used to have posters of Hoddle on his wall and wanted to play for his footballing hero.
Maybe Klinsman is a huge fan of the bicycle kick and wants to return to where it all began?
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Klinsmann could have the same effect as Guillit did for Chelsea as a player. Everyone in football wondering why this world-famous name is pitching up at a mid-ranking English club.
Exactly right Dave.
I mentioned this on another forum, but it's probably the biggest thing we lacked when we looked on the verge of breaking through at various stages between 96-99.
That one signing that made the rest sit up and take notice.
Well I guess Collywobbles did, but for all the wrong reasons.
Under MON when we found ourselves in a similar situation he didn't want to know. One ego in the dressing room being quite enough.
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I don't know if I'm a supporter of Klinsmann or not, but could the argument be made that Guillit raised the profile of a mid-ranking club attracting better players than they might have got before he arrived?
Undoubtedly, yes.
Before: David Speedie, Pat Nevin, Ken Monkou.
After: Zola, Vialli, Desailly.
West London as a location probably helps too, mind.
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Being in London helps, but it's only an hour and a bit from Bodymoor.
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Put them up in a B&B in Luton/ Milton Keynes, simple.
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It would be interesting, but one would hope that he wasn't being hired with that as the primary criteria in mind, as important as it is. Stick him with a solid coaching team, his links across Europe and beyond, and he's very media savvy, and it may not be a bad thing. I just always had the feeling he was biding his time for the US national team job. He may also look at us as an opportunity of rebuilding his club management career reputation. It took a few blows from his time at Bayern.
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Agree with the first part.
Would have no problems with the latter part either.
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Put them up in a B&B in Luton/ Milton Keynes, simple.
If we want Klinsmann to come we need to conceal the very existence of Luton, Milton Keynes, Flitwick, Leagrave, in fact just about everything between Great Missenden and Worcester.
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Have I missed something re Klinsmann? Have we been linked?
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Have I missed something re Klinsmann? Have we been linked?
Firmly linked by gossip, insinuation, drunken rambling, lies, and various sums of 2+2
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I thought Klinsmanns' missus was American and very setteld in LA?
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some (very) tenuous links, the coincidence of RL and Klinsmann being in Milan at the same time and a fair degree of wishful thinking if I had to give a synopsis.
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Have I missed something re Klinsmann? Have we been linked?
Firmly linked by gossip, insinuation, drunken rambling, lies, and various sums of 2+2
Ah, is that what is called ITK?
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I thought Klinsmanns' missus was American and very setteld in LA?
Silly cow...it's a dump!
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Have I missed something re Klinsmann? Have we been linked?
Firmly linked by gossip, insinuation, drunken rambling, lies, and various sums of 2+2
Ah, is that what is called ITK?
I believe the term is `nailed on'
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110%
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I thought Klinsmanns' missus was American and very setteld in LA?
I think one of the conditions of him taking the Germany job was that they were OK with him living in LA still. That obviously can't work with the day to day involvement of a club side. For that reason alone I'd class him as doubtful, even though he's pretty high on my wishlist!
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Put them up in a B&B in Luton/ Milton Keynes, simple.
If we want Klinsmann to come we need to conceal the very existence of Luton, Milton Keynes, Flitwick, Leagrave, in fact just about everything between Great Missenden and Worcester.
Tut tut Damon. If you're hoping for the ITN "Home Counties Correspondent" gig you're going to have to do better than that. None of those places you rightly suggest concealing are between Great Missenden and Worcester. In fact, the area between those two towns contains some rather lovely places, such as Moreton-in-Marsh and Evesham.
I think the area you're looking for would best be described as that between Market Harborough and St Albans.
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I thought Klinsmanns' missus was American and very setteld in LA?
I think one of the conditions of him taking the Germany job was that they were OK with him living in LA still. That obviously can't work with the day to day involvement of a club side. For that reason alone I'd class him as doubtful, even though he's pretty high on my wishlist!
Can he not just communicate with her via Ashley Young's webcam?
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Put them up in a B&B in Luton/ Milton Keynes, simple.
If we want Klinsmann to come we need to conceal the very existence of Luton, Milton Keynes, Flitwick, Leagrave, in fact just about everything between Great Missenden and Worcester.
Tut tut Damon. If you're hoping for the ITN "Home Counties Correspondent" gig you're going to have to do better than that. None of those places you rightly suggest concealing are between Great Missenden and Worcester. In fact, the area between those two towns contains some rather lovely places, such as Moreton-in-Marsh and Evesham.
I think the area you're looking for would best be described as that between Market Harborough and St Albans.
He did a great piece of egg smuggling last night, though.
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Put them up in a B&B in Luton/ Milton Keynes, simple.
If we want Klinsmann to come we need to conceal the very existence of Luton, Milton Keynes, Flitwick, Leagrave, in fact just about everything between Great Missenden and Worcester.
Tut tut Damon. If you're hoping for the ITN "Home Counties Correspondent" gig you're going to have to do better than that. None of those places you rightly suggest concealing are between Great Missenden and Worcester. In fact, the area between those two towns contains some rather lovely places, such as Moreton-in-Marsh and Evesham.
I think the area you're looking for would best be described as that between Market Harborough and St Albans.
He did a great piece of egg smuggling last night, though.
Does that mean he has extremely large nipples?
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Klinsmann could have the same effect as Guillit did for Chelsea as a player. Everyone in football wondering why this world-famous name is pitching up at a mid-ranking English club.
Are we really at the same level that Chelsea were 15 years ago? Depressing thought.
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If it is Klinsmann, and i hope it is- i voted for him as soon as this threads poll was published, then cam i be the firts with a prediction..
The picture will reappear of him leaning up against one of the terrace crash barriers at the back of an empty Holte End. The picture was taken the night before we beat Inter Milan 2-0.
It appeared in a subsequent match day programme. If anybody has got a copy of the picture that they can scan can you please do so? I’m sure i haven’t imagined it!
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If it is Klinsmann, and i hope it is- i voted for him as soon as this threads poll was published, then cam i be the firts with a prediction..
The picture will reappear of him leaning up against one of the terrace crash barriers at the back of an empty Holte End. The picture was taken the night before we beat Inter Milan 2-0.
It appeared in a subsequent match day programme. If anybody has got a copy of the picture that they can scan can you please do so? I’m sure i haven’t imagined it!
You dirty bastard
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If it is Klinsmann, and i hope it is- i voted for him as soon as this threads poll was published, then cam i be the firts with a prediction..
The picture will reappear of him leaning up against one of the terrace crash barriers at the back of an empty Holte End. The picture was taken the night before we beat Inter Milan 2-0.
It appeared in a subsequent match day programme. If anybody has got a copy of the picture that they can scan can you please do so? I’m sure i haven’t imagined it!
You dirty bastard
Damon prefers Italian players. On his couch.
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Put them up in a B&B in Luton/ Milton Keynes, simple.
If we want Klinsmann to come we need to conceal the very existence of Luton, Milton Keynes, Flitwick, Leagrave, in fact just about everything between Great Missenden and Worcester.
Tut tut Damon. If you're hoping for the ITN "Home Counties Correspondent" gig you're going to have to do better than that. None of those places you rightly suggest concealing are between Great Missenden and Worcester. In fact, the area between those two towns contains some rather lovely places, such as Moreton-in-Marsh and Evesham.
I think the area you're looking for would best be described as that between Market Harborough and St Albans.
He did a great piece of egg smuggling last night, though.
Does that mean he has extremely large nipples?
I hope it's that rather than some Pet Shop Boys style double entendre.
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Gullit went to Chelsea as he used to have posters of Hoddle on his wall and wanted to play for his footballing hero.
Maybe Klinsman is a huge fan of the bicycle kick and wants to return to where it all began?
hahahahaha
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Bob Bradley link sounds strong
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8934039.stm
I really hope not
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Hmm. It's no surprise, I suppose. Definitely been some sort of contact then, even of it is via 'representatives'. I personally don't think he'd be the disaster some think, to be honest, although I do think he might need some direction with regards transfers etc., at least to begin with.
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Bradley should not even be on our radar.
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Hmm. It's no surprise, I suppose. Definitely been some sort of contact then, even of it is via 'representatives'. I personally don't think he'd be the disaster some think, to be honest, although I do think he might need some direction with regards transfers etc., at least to begin with.
So his representatives have advised he is available for the job, Villa have simply said thank you for your enquiry. That could be the contact. The same contact we probably had with Maradonnas European Representative.
Which match did one of the TV channels have on where Klinnsmann was a pundit and he pretty much was touting himself out for a job (or so the comments went at the time)?
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Bradley said in the interview that it was his representatives who called Villa to find out the situation and to put his name forward.
He's just bigging himself up for the job, which is fair enough. I thought he came across very well.
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I don't imagine there is a shortage of agents and representatives recommending their clients for the job to the club. Doesn't mean any of them will get it though.
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Martinez is doing such a great job at Wigan I'm sure he's on our radar too.......
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As it stands I think the first decision, with regards to the full time job, is that of K-Mac. If he want's it it is his I think.
If he says no (as I think he may well do) then we will see someone else in before the Everton game.
I'd still like us to push the boat out and go for Pellegrini, with K-Mac as his assistant.
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With Bradley, it's amazing how one word constitutes a lie. It was quite clear from the interview that it was Bradley's representatives who went to Randy to ask about the situation and were told that we were being patient, compiling a shortlist and trusting K Mac in the short term at least. The news update immediately after said "Bradley confirms contact FROM Aston Villa". That, I'm afraid, is literally a lie.
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I'm coming round to the idea of Koeman. His management CV is more impressive than Klinsmann or, arguably, Jol.
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With Bradley, it's amazing how one word constitutes a lie. It was quite clear from the interview that it was Bradley's representatives who went to Randy to ask about the situation and were told that we were being patient, compiling a shortlist and trusting K Mac in the short term at least. The news update immediately after said "Bradley confirms contact FROM Aston Villa". That, I'm afraid, is literally a lie.
How is that a lie? He has had contact from Aston Villa.
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The word "from" is a lie because he contacted Aston Villa, through representatives, not the other way around. To say he had contact from Villa is to say we phoned him up and said "alright Bob? Job going here, interested?", which is clearly not the case. There is literally no evidence to say that we are interested in Bob Bradley, but the BBC tried to make out like there was. Hence, lie.
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I don't think Bradley will get the job purely because it could be a complete PR disaster for Randy if he were to fail. An American owner appointing a US coach would have the press attacking Lerner as using Villa as his play thing. It just won't happen. That's not to say Bradley couldn't do the job, if we're honest, we don't know a great deal about him. I think some of the comments are a bit harsh on Bradley, he's appears to have done a very good job with the US national side. If he does get a job in England he may turn out to be a great success but for us, it's just too much of a risk right now.
Klinnsmann is certainly a name that would excite both the fans and the press but again, we don't (or at least I) don't know that much about him. His club management record doesn't look that good but then managing Bayern Munich is a massive job, maybe he just wasn't ready for it. One thing we do know is that he was a success managing the German national side, a job that's certainly bigger than the England job due to Germany's record and standing in international football. He was obviously very highly rated to be given such an important job.
I can see at lot of positives if we were to appoint him, especially if he had Kevin MacDonald along side him but I would be interested to hear more about him.
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Rubbish, he has had contact from Aston Villa. There's no question about that. Okay, he had to contact the club first in order to get it, but he's not lying.
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Come on Hilts, what a quibble. The word "from" heavily implies that we contacted him, and that was the whole tone of the report on the radio, which is misleading. Bradley is not lying, the BBC is. Bradley himself expressly said that his representatives contacted us, and then later on the BBC said Bradley had contact from Aston Villa, indeed that Bradley himself had said that he had. These things are not true, hence the BBC is being misleading. Pretty minor point I'd have thought, "Media in not telling truth shock".
Mark, my opinion on Klinsmann is that Villa is perfect for him. In the same way as he and Loew planned out Germany's future, I could see a similar partnership developing with MacDonald. Football can sometimes be really revisionist: Klinsmann does really well in '06, suddenly it's all about him. He doesn't do so well at Bayern (as you say, lunatic pressures from all sides and he had hardly any actual control on off-field matters), Germany do well in '10, suddenly Klinsmann did nothing and Loew is the architect and genius behind Germany's revival. Fact is that the vision was Klinsmann's, he knew it was also Loew's so he appointed Loew and worked with him. Our experience with MON has shown us that it's no good having one man top-down rule: you need a good team behind the team, and Klinsmann and K Mac would be perfect in my view. Everything fits: the trust in young players; the desire for a possession-based, attacking style; the ability to work with what they have, because K Mac knows exactly how to use the youngsters and reserves and Klinsmann is used to it with the national team, so if you add a couple of signings to that it becomes even better for him.
The great thing about Klinsmann, though, is the sheer combination of factors: the fact that he offers vibrant leadership, youthful (for a manager) vigour, tactical awareness, long-term vision and a desire to really do something in the game is almost priceless, not to mention his high profile. I'd be very excited were Klinsmann to roll up in B6.
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Come on Hilts, what a quibble. The word "from" heavily implies that we contacted him, and that was the whole tone of the report on the radio, which is misleading. Bradley is not lying, the BBC is. Bradley himself expressly said that his representatives contacted us, and then later on the BBC said Bradley had contact from Aston Villa, indeed that Bradley himself had said that he had. These things are not true, hence the BBC is being misleading. Pretty minor point I'd have thought, "Media in not telling truth shock".
Has he had contact from Aston Villa? Yes. Therefore no-one is lying. Lying is a pretty strong accusation and unjustified in this case. Bradley came across very well in his interview I thought and the subsequent BBC Sport headline of him being interested in the post is entirely consistent with what he said. You're barking up the wrong tree on this one.
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Come on Hilts, what a quibble. The word "from" heavily implies that we contacted him, and that was the whole tone of the report on the radio, which is misleading. Bradley is not lying, the BBC is. Bradley himself expressly said that his representatives contacted us, and then later on the BBC said Bradley had contact from Aston Villa, indeed that Bradley himself had said that he had. These things are not true, hence the BBC is being misleading. Pretty minor point I'd have thought, "Media in not telling truth shock".
100% correct Monty. Complete volte-face by reporter - change 'made contact with' to 'contact from'. Completely changes report on who the lead is coming from.
The great thing about Klinsmann, though, is the sheer combination of factors: the fact that he offers vibrant leadership, youthful (for a manager) vigour, tactical awareness, long-term vision and a desire to really do something in the game is almost priceless, not to mention his high profile. I'd be very excited were Klinsmann to roll up in B6.
Whether it is Klinsmann or not, we need a vibrant manager to change the media perception of the club. If we are to grow the fan base, we have to be seen as vibrant, exciting and progressive. Somehow, we have to compete with the other clubs at the top (top 4 not just top 6/7) and, as we should realise, without having the financial resources on its own to do it.
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I'm sure I'm being a bit daft, but where does that report actually say that Bradley has 'had contact from'? It seems really clear on stating that Bradley would be interested, doesn't it?
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It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.
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It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.
Oh right, I didn't hear those. Cheers, Monty.
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It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.
Bradley has had contact from Villa. Did they say Villa contacted him first?
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It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.
Bradley has had contact from Villa. Did they say Villa contacted him first?
It was heavily implied in the news reports afterwards. They know exactly what they're doing, don't worry about that.
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It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.
Bradley has had contact from Villa. Did they say Villa contacted him first?
What people want to know from a report such as this is who made the approach to understand whether it is a media manufactured story or whether the club are closer to making an appointment and who it is likely to be. By changing the wording to 'contact from' changes the emphasis. Incidently, I did not hear th interview/see the report so I am only going from what has been said by others about it.
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It was heavily implied in the news reports afterwards. They know exactly what they're doing, don't worry about that.
So they're not lying then. I'm glad we've cleared that up.
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Lying, misleading, deliberately implying a falsehood - these are semantic differences. The BBC attempted to make the story sound much more jazzy than it was. Thus, for Villa fans worried from the, at best, ambiguous reporting of the events, I would say there's nothing new here and nothing to worry about. It's a non-story that the BBC, as per any news organisation, made a slight alteration in to make it sound more important than it is.
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Lying, misleading, deliberately implying a falsehood - these are semantic differences. The BBC attempted to make the story sound much more jazzy than it was. Thus, for Villa fans worried from the, at best, ambiguous reporting of the events, I would say there's nothing new here and nothing to worry about. It's a non-story that the BBC, as per any news organisation, made a slight alteration in to make it sound more important than it is.
I agree they are trying to wring every last ounce of interest, such as it is, from an essentially uninteresting story. As you say, that's how competing media organisations operate. It's a presentation issue.
But there's a big big difference between that and lying, which is what you accused the BBC of. That is not a semantic difference at all.
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You've almost sold Klinsman to me Monty!
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Well, safe to say we're gonna need some experience for the role. Someone who can steady a ship at 1 or 2 down and pull it back.
Not Kev's fault, he's just in over his head, and we were very fortunate to play a diabolically bad West Ham, as further proven by Bolton destroying them at Upton yesterday.
We need to get someone in sharpish though, and sign a couple of players if possible.
But my mood's gone back to how it was just over a week ago, before the opening game. Season over before it's started. :(
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The pressure is on Randy now. Get a proper manager in sharpish. The kids aren't quite ready yet but should be bled in over the next season or two. Get to work Randy.
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This is the year we might step back to hopefully go forwards. I'm being optimistic off course. Kevin Mac is a very good coach, but he's out of his depth in being a a manager. I think this is a little bit too much for him to handle and I feel for him. He's going to be gutted and take this hard. He needs help and quickly.
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Weirdly I feel as if this may have made K Mac and Randy's mind up about sorting a permanent manager out sharpish. We need some leadership and at the moment we do not have it from top to bottom, K Mac is pontificating about taking the job and Randy and Paul Faulkner are nowhere to be seen, this must transmit through to the players. A common sense of purpose and direction is needed pretty sharp.
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Can MON be added to the list?
He's by far better than any manager on that list.
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It was the radio report earlier. The report on the website's fine, but for several news bulletins on the radio earlier they said Bradley had contact from Villa.
Bradley has had contact from Villa. Did they say Villa contacted him first?
"There have been discussions with some of my representatives to at least find out the situation"
"I had some people do some checking just to find out where things stood."
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Can MON be added to the list?
He's by far better than any manager on that list.
Even if that were true - and it isn't - you're missing the point, which is that the self centred tosser walked out on us five days before the start of the season.
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Can MON be added to the list?
He's by far better than any manager on that list.
Even if that were true - and it isn't - you're missing the point, which is that the self centred tosser walked out on us five days before the start of the season.
He did and we all pretty much agree that was a tool for doing so. However he shouldn't blamed for today any more than we should go back and commend him for "his team" playing so well against West Ham. Take the two games on their own merits. Today was horrendous, and only the current players and staff need to be made accountable for this. I'll be interested to know what our senior players have to say for themselves.
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Can MON be added to the list?
He's by far better than any manager on that list.
Even if that were true - and it isn't - you're missing the point, which is that the self centred tosser walked out on us five days before the start of the season.
Amen ..
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I think the point is that Martin O Neill is preferred to any of those managers. Which is frustratingly how I feel.
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Were the senior players to blame, though. Albrighton made no contribution, Ireland lacks any defensive skill, we were set up to atatck and did so well for 20 odd minutes and didn't score again. How much was that down to Gabby being absent, as Carews uselessness.
The team selection proved poor, how lucky were we on Thursday?
No changes at half time or before, Heskey before Coker, admitting he should not have played Albrighton and Clarke. The guys inexperienced, no matter how he's built up by all and sundry including BL today he just doesn't know enough to deal with the job and we can't wait for him to learn.
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Randy has to show now what he's made of!
Get a new manager in and spend some money otherwise sell the club to someone who will
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Mark, my opinion on Klinsmann is that Villa is perfect for him. In the same way as he and Loew planned out Germany's future, I could see a similar partnership developing with MacDonald. Football can sometimes be really revisionist: Klinsmann does really well in '06, suddenly it's all about him. He doesn't do so well at Bayern (as you say, lunatic pressures from all sides and he had hardly any actual control on off-field matters), Germany do well in '10, suddenly Klinsmann did nothing and Loew is the architect and genius behind Germany's revival. Fact is that the vision was Klinsmann's, he knew it was also Loew's so he appointed Loew and worked with him. Our experience with MON has shown us that it's no good having one man top-down rule: you need a good team behind the team, and Klinsmann and K Mac would be perfect in my view. Everything fits: the trust in young players; the desire for a possession-based, attacking style; the ability to work with what they have, because K Mac knows exactly how to use the youngsters and reserves and Klinsmann is used to it with the national team, so if you add a couple of signings to that it becomes even better for him.
The great thing about Klinsmann, though, is the sheer combination of factors: the fact that he offers vibrant leadership, youthful (for a manager) vigour, tactical awareness, long-term vision and a desire to really do something in the game is almost priceless, not to mention his high profile. I'd be very excited were Klinsmann to roll up in B6.
Thanks Monty that's exactly my thoughts on the manger situation.
Read the following article, it is exactly the sort of vision, ambition and long term planning villa will need to be successful as it is clear that Randy is not prepared to 'buy' the league (and why should he...).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8789682.stm
I would condone K-Mac as his number two - despite today - as he seems to have a good understanding of what the reserves and youth can/can't provide. Hopefully Klinsmann's many contacts around the globe will mean that a few crucial signings can take place too in the future.
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Can MON be added to the list?
He's by far better than any manager on that list.
Even if that were true - and it isn't - you're missing the point, which is that the self centred tosser walked out on us five days before the start of the season.
He did and we all pretty much agree that was a tool for doing so. However he shouldn't blamed for today any more than we should go back and commend him for "his team" playing so well against West Ham. Take the two games on their own merits. Today was horrendous, and only the current players and staff need to be made accountable for this. I'll be interested to know what our senior players have to say for themselves.
Nothing to do with today, t_v.
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Before the game, you'd have struggled to get evens on MacDonald being the next manager. Now he's up to 7-1 on some sites.
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i dont want MON back,
i dont blame him for todays result,
but i do blame him for buying most of that pile of shite that capitulated at Newcastle
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I would condone K-Mac as his number two - despite today - as he seems to have a good understanding of what the reserves and youth can/can't provide. Hopefully Klinsmann's many contacts around the globe will mean that a few crucial signings can take place too in the future.
So would I.
Being a good coach and being a good manager are two entirely different things, and football is littered with examples of this - coaches who do very well for a long period, then become managers and fall on their arses.
KM has not become a bad coach on the back of one bad result. I would like to see a Klinsmann / McDonald partnership. I think it could just work very well
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todays is the day i look back to o'neil, and think you left us right in the shit,and in my opinion he is going to take blame for today!
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We would'nt have lost 6-0 to that lot today under MON, but its time to move on.The next appointment will prove MON right or wrong.An appointment like Bradley or McDonald, then he was right we have no ambition, an appointment like Jol/MoyesHiddink or Hughes, then Randy still has the appetite.
Mon has gone, it was'nt his fault we lost today, and it was'nt his leaving why we won last week, we need to know where we are and act accordingly.If Bradley or McDonald are appointed though, i would'nt be surprised if Ashley wants to go.
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i dont want MON back,
i dont blame him for todays result,
but i do blame him for buying most of that pile of shite that capitulated at Newcastle
A manager and team that produced the highest three season finish of any Villa team since the Second World War............................................
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I actually expected Villa to lose today. MON had Villa playing sophisticated hoofball. All that Newcastle did while in the Championship was defend against it week in week out. The only way the were going to beat Newcastle was by out-passing them like ManU did last week. Mac chose the wrong tactics and when they failed, he didn't have a plan B.
This game is just going to start the whole manager make-believe news stuff all over again.
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My heart wanted KM to be our next manager. The West Ham result gave us all a left great. The draw at Rapid was pretty respectable with the kids. So far so good for the heart. But today left me thinking you cannot play with 5 attacking midfielders and then when you are 3.0 down bring on EH rather than Fonz. So what now for KM? There are no real gems on the market to take the job. I just hope in the meantime that KM can learn from today and keep us going.
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todays is the day i look back to o'neil, and think you left us right in the shit,and in my opinion he is going to take blame for today!
did you toast him last week after West Ham?
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I am feeling very low and cynical today. Are we waiting until the window closes to appoint a manager?
I would be disappointed if the board does not want to keep pushing. However, why communicate with the fans that Champions League is still the aim?
We are letting a coach run the team. He is doing ok and I don't totally blame him. The board have been poor on this for a couple of reasons
1) I would have hoped that we had a list in place back in May when the chairman/manager relationship was strained.
2) K-mac is being asked to spread him self on the coaching side very thinly. We have only 3 or 4 coaches available at the club. This is ok for a very short period. So we either need to get extra coaches in, or appoint a new manager and coaching staff asap.
3)K-Mac is being put up as the voice of the club. He is so uncomfortable with the media. Where is Lerner? Where is Faulkner more to the point? This club at this time needs leadership from the top.
This needs sorting now. I am starting to think that the ambition of the club has changed. Maybe MON leaving has given the club a scapegoat for not investing.
I am sure that I am being cynical because of the result. But that performance was awful and being an NFL fan, I am nervous of us turning into the Browns!
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I would condone K-Mac as his number two - despite today - as he seems to have a good understanding of what the reserves and youth can/can't provide. Hopefully Klinsmann's many contacts around the globe will mean that a few crucial signings can take place too in the future.
So would I.
Being a good coach and being a good manager are two entirely different things, and football is littered with examples of this - coaches who do very well for a long period, then become managers and fall on their arses.
KM has not become a bad coach on the back of one bad result. I would like to see a Klinsmann / McDonald partnership. I think it could just work very well
Wasn't Klinnsmann accused of having his teams too attack minded and not enough consideration given to the defence? After today, we need to make sure we don't go down the Kevin Keegan route of playing without a defence.
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I think that this is going to have to be sorted very soon, but I know that it is very tricky. The list of seemingly possible candidates isn't massively inspiring, is it? As much as like the guy, I really don't think that Kevin MacDonald would be the right move, either - I'm just a little sceptical when players 'talk up' how great/friendly/etc the coach is. I think the manager has to have a little more authority, a strong, definite presence (for want of a better word) and today (I know it's only one game) we seemed to lack that on and off the pitch.
The sooner Randy can make an appointment, the best candidate possible of course, then the better. We might not all agree with whoever he chooses, but I do think the team needs definite, clear leadership, and fast.
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I do not think that the club have a short list or have any idea what to do tbh, Faulkner looked lost & lonely today at St.James Park
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i dont want MON back,
i dont blame him for todays result,
but i do blame him for buying most of that pile of shite that capitulated at Newcastle
A manager and team that produced the highest three season finish of any Villa team since the Second World War............................................
This argument is lost on the vast majority of people on this board who don't like facts.
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i dont want MON back,
i dont blame him for todays result,
but i do blame him for buying most of that pile of shite that capitulated at Newcastle
A manager and team that produced the highest three season finish of any Villa team since the Second World War............................................
This argument is lost on the vast majority of people on this board who don't like facts.
Here's another fact.
He left us. We didn't sack him. He left us, and he did it just before the season started, ie at the worst possible time.
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i dont want MON back,
i dont blame him for todays result,
but i do blame him for buying most of that pile of shite that capitulated at Newcastle
A manager and team that produced the highest three season finish of any Villa team since the Second World War............................................
This argument is lost on the vast majority of people on this board who don't like facts.
What is that an argument for though? O'Neill wasn't sacked, he walked out on the club that gave him an unprecedented level of control and support over the last four years. So whatever your opinion of his reign, he has gone - of his own free will - and he isn't coming back.
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I do not think that the club have a short list or have any idea what to do tbh, Faulkner looked lost & lonely today at St.James Park
I agree, what is David Dein doing?
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The team/squad has lost some balance with Milner leaving. I think we should try to get Eriksson in before the transfer window expires. Not all the fans will like him, but he is experienced; he will (hopefully) manage to get in a couple of signings to balance the squad and keep us within reach of top six until January. To keep going until January without any investment is too risky, in my opinion. And that is what will happen if we don't get a new manager in until September.
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Agreed Eigentor on Sven. Not the popular choice, but if a more glamorous appointment is not happening, then a Sven, Kevin Mac combo would be the ideal solution with Sven able tgo bring a couple of players in. He likes a proper holding player, and is tactically fairly astute. City went wrong when Frank Sinatra basically told him he was on his way despite being 5th in the league or so at the time. Give him the job by Tuesday, and get it sorted. Oh and get Flamini while we are at it. We should be ashamed to be bullied by Barton and Nolan.
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I'd take Sven too.
I'm too young to know how he set up during his time in Italy, but thinking back to his England and Citeh days I'd say we've got pretty much the perfect players for his type of football now.
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Sven wants the job, is free and could get us a couple of players before the window shuts. He is also a good manager so after today he is the most sensible idea
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I think Sven is more a reaction to today and seems like a quick fix on the hope that he can bring new players in before the close of the window. Give it six months and the same people will be calling for his head.
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There's nothing free with Sven. I'm not against the idea, but he'd come with a hefty pay packet and a lot of attention. Balance that against a manager with masses of experience and contacts off course. If he'd be willing to come in with a firm committment to the job, and not be tempted to bail at the next big job, club or national, then it could work out well. I think the club, fans and even some of the players just needs a change of scenery right now; a different outlook on football, and type of players that are playing for us. We need some fresh ideas to push us on.
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Mark Hughes.
I don’t like the man at all and he won’t do any better than O’Neill, but that’s as good as we’re ever going to do.
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Sven wants the job, is free and could get us a couple of players before the window shuts. He is also a good manager so after today he is the most sensible idea
Knee jerk. We need to get the right man not a convenient man. Also I would be surprised if he agreed to join for "free".
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Sorry, but after today I'll take anyone with experience and tactical nous.
When Randy was being praised by all and sundry as being the perfect owner I cautioned that the time to start to make such pronouncements was when he'd had to do such things as appoint a new manager.
At the moment he seems incapable of doing what is the most fundamental of decisions a football club owner needs to make.
Whilst the timing of MON's departure was poor, he and his associates must have been thinking about contingencies since last spring. Surely?
I get the impression that the club are just hoping that Kevin McDonald will work out. I'm sorry, but just one result/performance has convinced me that it won't.
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That there is no outstanding candidate to replace MON remains as true today as it was when he walked out.
We are faced with the least worst option.
Sven is not my first choice, Frank Rijkaard is. But, unlike Frank, Sven is available,has an excellent League record, and his agent Athol Still is amongst the best connected in the world. Sven likes the limelight and Villa should be an International Attraction, which Sven's appointment would guarantee.
Dunne would like Sven, Ireland couldnt pull the "grandmother stunt" with him again..............
Hodgson would have been fine, as would Hughes, Jol might have been getable at the end of last season, but not now. As reality bites, it's a case of "do what you can with what you've got where you are".
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I think Sven is more a reaction to today and seems like a quick fix on the hope that he can bring new players in before the close of the window. Give it six months and the same people will be calling for his head.
I'm not saying that he's Jose Mourinho's equal, I'm not even saying he'd be a popular choice. (Because of his reputation and, er, attention-seeking behaviour, he is likely to get stick when results are bad.) He might not even play attractive football. But he is a solid manager who is capable of getting decent results out of decent players. And he is experienced enough to know what to do to keep us within reach of qualifying for Europe. Based on today's performance, we could do worse. (Yes, it was one performance, but how many more performances do we have to base a decision upon. If we wait until the transfer window shuts, we'll risk playing half a season with an unbalanced squad and an unexperienced manager.)
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I'd just like some sort of update from the Chairman as to what is happening. Have we actually interviewed anyone for the role yet etc?
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MON's a wanker. The H0dge of managers. I want Eriksson, Koeman or Klinsmann.
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how come o leary's got 11 votes on the poll ?
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Piss taking bar stewards?
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how come o leary's got 11 votes on the poll ?
Probably all from birds thinking it's for Dermot
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Welcome to Premiership management KMac (albeit you are only standing in for a while)
It took some guts to be interviewed after such an inept performance from the players
you selected to represent Aston Villa -
You took some of the criticism 'naive selection' I believe you called it you probably
learned more today about management than 14 years looking after the 'stiffs' -
If body language was anyhting to go by I would anticipate Kevin is unlikely to
ask Randy to consider him for the post -
Which leaves the club where exactly ?
Presumably the club have received applications for the post, (no I haven't
applied this time) and possibly sounded out the availability of other individuals
I personally trust Randy Lerner to do what is best for the club but I sure wish
he would be decisive and do something, preferably whilst there is still time in
the transfer window to do some business
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It took some guts to be interviewed after such an inept performance from the players
you selected to represent Aston Villa
He didn't have a choice - from the manager is obliged to make himself available for interview after every game.
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It took some guts to be interviewed after such an inept performance from the players
you selected to represent Aston Villa
He didn't have a choice - from the manager is obliged to make himself available for interview after every game.
Someone from the club, not necessarily the manager.
Phelan / BBC / Fergiestrop.
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Didn't John Gregory refuse to speak to the media [hard to imagine, I know] or let the players speak after a game once?
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It took some guts to be interviewed after such an inept performance from the players
you selected to represent Aston Villa
He didn't have a choice - from the manager is obliged to make himself available for interview after every game.
Someone from the club, not necessarily the manager.
Phelan / BBC / Fergiestrop.
Not anymore.
Link (http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2171/premier-league/2010/08/07/2059893/manchester-united-manager-sir-alex-ferguson-may-end-his)
"The Premier League has included a new rule which states that that all managers must speak to the broadcasting rights-holders, which includes the BBC, meaning that Ferguson will have little choice but to end his boycott unless he wants to be held accountable for any future penalties"
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Agreed Eigentor on Sven. Not the popular choice, but if a more glamorous appointment is not happening, then a Sven, Kevin Mac combo would be the ideal solution with Sven able tgo bring a couple of players in. He likes a proper holding player, and is tactically fairly astute. City went wrong when Frank Sinatra basically told him he was on his way despite being 5th in the league or so at the time. Give him the job by Tuesday, and get it sorted. Oh and get Flamini while we are at it. We should be ashamed to be bullied by Barton and Nolan.
Agreed 100%.
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McLeish if he were on the list - he's done more than a decent job at Birmingham -
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It took some guts to be interviewed after such an inept performance from the players
you selected to represent Aston Villa
He didn't have a choice - from the manager is obliged to make himself available for interview after every game.
Someone from the club, not necessarily the manager.
Phelan / BBC / Fergiestrop.
Not anymore.
Link (http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2171/premier-league/2010/08/07/2059893/manchester-united-manager-sir-alex-ferguson-may-end-his)
"The Premier League has included a new rule which states that that all managers must speak to the broadcasting rights-holders, which includes the BBC, meaning that Ferguson will have little choice but to end his boycott unless he wants to be held accountable for any future penalties"
Well there was no change today - it was Phelan interviewed on MOTD2 not Ferguson. The presenter Colin Murray made a little dig at him about it.
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I've just watched Kevin MacDonald interview on Sky Sport News and, as I think others may have pointed out, he does seem to be talking as if the job is his if he wants it! He said something along the lines of 'I'll see how this week goes and then decide if it's what I want to do'.
Now, if that is the case then I think it is sightly worrying. I personally don't think he's the man for the job at all, but the idea that perhaps we are waiting to see what he decides implies quite strongly, I think, that he is the preferred candidate.
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Someone on 606 yesterday said that there were rumours rife at the Newcastle game regarding Guus Hiddink taking over the managerial vacancy. Any thoughts on this?
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Hiddink would be fantastic but highly unlikely. He's one of the top 5 managers in the world imo so he'd be off to a Club with guarenteed Champs League football and cash to burn.
Realistically, I can't see him joining us at all.
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Not anymore.
Link (http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2171/premier-league/2010/08/07/2059893/manchester-united-manager-sir-alex-ferguson-may-end-his)
"The Premier League has included a new rule which states that that all managers must speak to the broadcasting rights-holders, which includes the BBC, meaning that Ferguson will have little choice but to end his boycott unless he wants to be held accountable for any future penalties"
Yeah, Fergie is famous for thinking all rules apply to him.
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I've just watched Kevin MacDonald interview on Sky Sport News and, as I think others may have pointed out, he does seem to be talking as if the job is his if he wants it! He said something along the lines of 'I'll see how this week goes and then decide if it's what I want to do'.
Now, if that is the case then I think it is sightly worrying. I personally don't think he's the man for the job at all, but the idea that perhaps we are waiting to see what he decides implies quite strongly, I think, that he is the preferred candidate.
I don't think that's the case. I think he's been told he is more than welcome to throw his name into the hat for the job and that there is no real rush. Take your time, get the first couple of premier league games and the Europa league qualifying games out the way and see how you feel about applying.
Don't forget KM didn't ask for this he's kind of had to carry the can while we sort out the mess oneil put us in.
The board new in the back if their minds they weren't going to be appointing anyone before now so it gave Mac time to decide if he wants to apply for the job or not.
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The more I think about it, the more I think Klinsmann is the answer. He'll bring technical nous and a structure that we seemingly lack given the shambolic showing yesterday; I'd expect him to bring German coaches with him and as we know they're no mugs. Let's go for him.
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My original thought was anyone but Sven but I'm warming to the idea even if it only on a 12 month contract with the option to review at the end of the season. He has a good reputation for establishing a solid base early on and making players play for him.
He doesn't always maintain that momentum but he is hugely experienced and at the moment I'm more concerned about the club going into free-fall.
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Nobody seems to have mentioned this yet.
How much was the news that this US manager (Bradley) was interested and had been in contact to do with yesterday's capitulation?
Do the players see no hope if he is the only one to show an interest. Apart from Maradonna?
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nah, i just think yesterday was a freak and will never happen again. due to kevs inexperience we just totally underestimated what newcastle would do. they would keep going and going and fight and after 20 mins we just sat back and let them have the game. downing should be been off at half time, reo into the middle with petrov, young to the wing and ireland behind carew !!!
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I would be apoplectic if we got Bob Bradley in. That would be the nail in the coffin for me as to whether to go next season to be honest.
I was no MON fan, but to go for such an inexperienced replacement would be going an awfully long way backwards to my mind.
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Nobody seems to have mentioned this yet.
How much was the news that this US manager (Bradley) was interested and had been in contact to do with yesterday's capitulation?
Do the players see no hope if he is the only one to show an interest. Apart from Maradonna?
If that were true, and I really don't think it is, then I would be significantly concerned about the professionalism and attitude of the players!
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If not Jol, Klinsmann.
Bradley ? - riskier than Steve Cotterell.
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It will be Bradley in my view, and I dread the results.
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I would be apoplectic if we got Bob Bradley in. That would be the nail in the coffin for me as to whether to go next season to be honest.
I was no MON fan, but to go for such an inexperienced replacement would be going an awfully long way backwards to my mind.
I know what you mean re an inexperienced replacement, but there aren't many experienced guys out there that would be of any use to us.
Im starting to warm to the idea of someone like Bradley who will bring something completely fresh and new to the club and hopefully galvanise the whole place.
If you think that Everton took a punt on Moyes..only experience he had was the Championship. Does that count for more than the World Cup?
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And what if Bradley were appointed, much to the annoyance and derision of most, and he wasn't completely useless? maybe we should just wait and see before we start trying to burn randy's effigy for daring to bring shit into the club. Not that I think Bradley is that bad a call as I've mentioned elsewhere. Just because he's American doesn't mean he cannot amke a success of it.
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And what if Bradley were appointed, much to the annoyance and derision of most, and he wasn't completely useless? maybe we should just wait and see before we start trying to burn randy's effigy for daring to bring shit into the club. Not that I think Bradley is that bad a call as I've mentioned elsewhere. Just because he's American doesn't mean he cannot amke a success of it.
peter I was saying the same thing on the General's thread. I don't know enough about Bradley to make a solid call. But having said that I'm really surprised that so many people have such strong opinions on him with very little knowledge. From the little I know, he's taken an above average nation in the US and beaten Spain and nearly Brazil with tactics. Something our much more distibguished manager didn't come close to doing with supposedly much better players.
Also, I don't know if he has an eye for talent or not. But I bet people would have had the same issue with say Steve Bruce or Mark Hughes and they have both introduced excellent players to the PL from arounf the world with very little transfer knowledge. Bradley may lack immediate knowledge of the European market but I would guess he has a much better understanding of Central and South America than most. Also, most US players who have played in the PL have done very well, and if he was able to entice his son and say Landon Donovan, it would be very good business.
I'm open to the idea and would give him a chance while not overwhelmed by the thought of it.
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If it is Bradley, are we prepared to write off this season as one of experiment, and if it hasn't worked by next May say, "Okay, the gamble failed, let's go back to the tried and tested?" Or will we just moan and complain that Randy's gone for the cheap option and is more interested in cutting his losses/cracking the American market?
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I have had it from a very unreliable source that Kevin MacDonald has got the job until the end of the season.
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I have this feeling that Randy will pull one out of the bag..... Someone we have not yet considered but we will be chuffed about. Or the 'feeling; could be the chicken bacon and mayo jacket spud I had a t lunch....
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I would be apoplectic if we got Bob Bradley in. That would be the nail in the coffin for me as to whether to go next season to be honest.
I was no MON fan, but to go for such an inexperienced replacement would be going an awfully long way backwards to my mind.
Can't you get tablets for that ;)
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If KMac has got the job I'm goping to be a little worried based on our performance at Newcastle!
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And what if Bradley were appointed, much to the annoyance and derision of most, and he wasn't completely useless? maybe we should just wait and see before we start trying to burn randy's effigy for daring to bring shit into the club. Not that I think Bradley is that bad a call as I've mentioned elsewhere. Just because he's American doesn't mean he cannot amke a success of it.
peter I was saying the same thing on the General's thread. I don't know enough about Bradley to make a solid call. But having said that I'm really surprised that so many people have such strong opinions on him with very little knowledge. From the little I know, he's taken an above average nation in the US and beaten Spain and nearly Brazil with tactics. Something our much more distibguished manager didn't come close to doing with supposedly much better players.
Also, I don't know if he has an eye for talent or not. But I bet people would have had the same issue with say Steve Bruce or Mark Hughes and they have both introduced excellent players to the PL from arounf the world with very little transfer knowledge. Bradley may lack immediate knowledge of the European market but I would guess he has a much better understanding of Central and South America than most. Also, most US players who have played in the PL have done very well, and if he was able to entice his son and say Landon Donovan, it would be very good business.
I'm open to the idea and would give him a chance while not overwhelmed by the thought of it.
The biggest strength of Bradley is the changes he makes at half time. Though this is also his biggest weakness, the fact that he has to constantly make these changes. He would have Finley start every game for whatever reason, realize he was not the right choice then move on to Gomez or Buddle.
Personally he is not the right long term choice but if we want to test him out for a season I see no reason not to. In fact that is the road we should take and in summer 2011 have a big summer in terms of spending and team change.
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If it is Bradley, are we prepared to write off this season as one of experiment, and if it hasn't worked by next May say, "Okay, the gamble failed, let's go back to the tried and tested?" Or will we just moan and complain that Randy's gone for the cheap option and is more interested in cutting his losses/cracking the American market?
Been there with Dr Jo, not a good idea imo.
An even cheaper option I'm sure would be to give KMAC a have go til the end of the season.....'what a fine mess you've left us in' comes to mind !
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If KM is to get the job for the season, we may as well give it to him now and some money to get players in. After all, he knows what we need ( well he better had anyway) so if he's to get his chance give him the money he needs to at least get us through the season in one piece.
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I have had it from a very unreliable source that Kevin MacDonald has got the job until the end of the season.
I read that as "reliable". Very worrying.
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If it is Bradley, are we prepared to write off this season as one of experiment, and if it hasn't worked by next May say, "Okay, the gamble failed, let's go back to the tried and tested?" Or will we just moan and complain that Randy's gone for the cheap option and is more interested in cutting his losses/cracking the American market?
It would be the cheap option.
It would also be an absolutely terrible decision, and I'd probably never trust him again.
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In short, there are no sound footballing reasons why Bob Bradley should get the job. Even more than that, it's difficult to make out any compelling reasons why he should even be considered.
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In short, there are no sound footballing reasons why Bob Bradley should get the job. Even more than that, it's difficult to make out any compelling reasons why he should even be considered.
If you took out the fact he's American - imagine he was the manager of Slovenia or Australia, for example - would be even be under consideration? No.
It'd make us a laughing stock, and would also make it look like we were being used as a training course for American coaches.
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I have had it from a very unreliable source that Kevin MacDonald has got the job until the end of the season.
I read that as "reliable". Very worrying.
If it is the case then we'll get behind him and judge things in May.
One thing I would say is that after yesterday it's a brave decision my Randy and shows he has a lot of faith in K-Mac!
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In short, there are no sound footballing reasons why Bob Bradley should get the job. Even more than that, it's difficult to make out any compelling reasons why he should even be considered.
If you took out the fact he's American - imagine he was the manager of Slovenia or Australia, for example - would be even be under consideration? No.
It'd make us a laughing stock, and would also make it look like we were being used as a training course for American coaches.
I cannot even bear the thought of us appointing Bradley. It just cannot happen.
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In short, there are no sound footballing reasons why Bob Bradley should get the job. Even more than that, it's difficult to make out any compelling reasons why he should even be considered.
If you took out the fact he's American - imagine he was the manager of Slovenia or Australia, for example - would be even be under consideration? No.
It'd make us a laughing stock, and would also make it look like we were being used as a training course for American coaches.
Imagine our reaction if Small Heath appointed the Chinese national manager?
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Bradleys not my choice but I do think most everyone is underestimating his abilities.
He has plenty of limitations, his lack of PL and European transfer knowledge his biggest two, but he's a great organiser, a disciplinarian, decent tactician a reasoned thinker on the game and up there with the best when it comes to fitness techniques.
He's certainly a better choice than KM who if nothing else doesn't give the impression he is built as a man to cope with the pressure of PL football, or who wants to.
As a youth team coach one of the ebst, but as a PL manager, no way.
I still think RL has had someone or ones in mind for some time, its just getting them.
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Bradley's the unknown, thats why people are so scared,
truth is we dont know how he'd do, wont know either unless he gets a go
rather him than big sam any day
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If it is Bradley, are we prepared to write off this season as one of experiment, and if it hasn't worked by next May say, "Okay, the gamble failed, let's go back to the tried and tested?" Or will we just moan and complain that Randy's gone for the cheap option and is more interested in cutting his losses/cracking the American market?
I'd rather they experiment elsewhere and not with our money.
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I have had it from a very unreliable source that Kevin MacDonald has got the job until the end of the season.
Oh fuck me I hope your source is wrong.
Macdonald has not got a fucking clue.
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Nothing that Lerner has done so far has come across as being cheap or superficial. He's also no mug, I can't honestly believe that he would risk the short-term future of the club or more importantly his investment in the unproven Bradley.
Kevin Mac does not give me the impression of a man who wants the job or the pressure that goes with it. I do believe that he might continue to hold the fort until the right man is available. I think that man is Martin Jol but with Ajax almost through the Champions League playoffs I'm not sure that he will be available anytime soon - I'm sure that if enough money was put forward he would bite.
This is the most important test of Lerner since he bought us, whoever he chooses will give us a very clear indication on which direction we will be going over the next 2-3 years. With Jol or the likes of Jol I think we will remain in the top 6 and possibly push on. Anything less & I can only see us sliding down the table & going back 2-3 years in a very short time.
I trust Lerner to do whatever is best for the club, I just hope it doesn't take too long, uncertainty is almost as bad as making the wrong choice.
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If it is Bradley, are we prepared to write off this season as one of experiment, and if it hasn't worked by next May say, "Okay, the gamble failed, let's go back to the tried and tested?" Or will we just moan and complain that Randy's gone for the cheap option and is more interested in cutting his losses/cracking the American market?
Whatever we all thought of MON, he turned us into a hard to beat side that finished in the top 6 every season. It was'nt to everyone's liking obviously, but it's given us a platform to work on and push on from. Giving the job to some as inexperienced in English and European football as Bradley could undo O'Neil's good work. It's a risk i don't think we should even be thinking about taking.
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Whilst i echo many of the sentiments already stated here, there's two things that i keep coming back to every time (1) what manager who already is employed would quit and join at this stage of the season? (2) what manager is not not employed would do anything other than a damage limitation exercise?
As for Bradley, there's two word i hear when i think of Bob Bradley and that's Josef Venglos.
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I agree Bob Bradley's a big risk. But if Jol isn't interested, not sure who the likely candidates are. A caretaker option wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing in the circumstances, so TM might have some chance to redeem himself yet.
I know it's a weird thing to say, but the first twenty minutes yesterday demonstrated passing and movement that was still better than most of MON's tenure!
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I'm wondering if we're waiting to see how Ajax get on in the champions league. If they go through, Jol will stay. If they fail then Jol might be lined up to take over.
Although I still fancy Pellegrini (in a none gay way of course)
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Although I still fancy Pellegrini (in a none gay way of course)
Pour me a glass while your at it mate. Lemon and lime in there and some ice please.
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Unfortunately KM demostrated yesterday by putting Heskey on when we are losing and then on the right wing, that he hasn't got a clue... sorry, he's a nice guy and all that but is not a top-flight manager!
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Unfortunately KM demostrated yesterday by putting Heskey on when we are losing and then on the right wing, that he hasn't got a clue... sorry, he's a nice guy and all that but is not a top-flight manager!
When Heskey came on and went out wide, I turned to my mate at the game yesterday and said 'has O'Neill been re=appointed'? My heart sank and i knew then the game was gone. It seemed like a sub that was designed not to get us back in the game, but to get some experience on the pitch and keep the score down.
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Clamps that is precisely what my son and I said at the game. If there were two glaringly obvious O'Neill failings Kevin McDonald needed to avoid at all costs were to play players in their correct positions and not to regard Emile Heskey as any kind of match winner. As soon as he comes on the pitch you know it is going to be long ball lumped upfield and any skillful football solution abandoned. I still cannot believe he did it. Before Carew put his joke penalty into row ZZ I thought Kevin was nailed on as caretaker manager for the rest of the season. As the game crumbled before our eyes so did Kevin's career.
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I don't rate Bradley tbh...U.S could've gone further in the world cup tbh.
He kept on playing 4-4-2 which restricted Donovan and Dempsey and then kept on switching
to 4-3-3 in the second half of games after taking off that awful Ricardo Clark bloke.
So I think despite maybe being a decent motivator, he'd tactically get found out in the prem
and be gone within 18 months.
I think the best man for our current situation is Jol, really interested to see what happens if
Kiev knock Ajax out this week.
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I want it to be Klinsmann. I'm resigned to an average season anyway and while he might not be the best manager we could keep Kev Mac on behind the scenes and it'd keep us on the European radar. Maybe attract a few exciting players too.
Plus it'd win me £140.
I'd want Sven secondary for similar reasons.
I'd rather keep K-Mac than Bradley.
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With Klinsmann, Bradley or Sven are all risks. We might end up having an average season and paying top dollar, then having to sack them and paying them for years to come. Lerner might be thinking along the same lines and so might as well give it to kmac. We might have an average season but without the added financial risk.
We are not going to be a top six team this season, so I'd rather wait and get someone better when they become available
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The ramifications for just having an average season are huge though - and carry financial risk in their own way.
-Bye bye Ashley Young
-Continued decrease in gates/ revenue
-Higher cost to close the gap next summer- or even to compete for in and around 6th
This is one time when the steady/ safe option really won't cut it.
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The ramifications for just having an average season are huge though - and carry financial risk in their own way.
-Bye bye Ashley Young
-Continued decrease in gates/ revenue
-Higher cost to close the gap next summer- or even to compete for in and around 6th
This is one time when the steady/ safe option really won't cut it.
Have to agree with that unless there is an underlying trend of improvement e.g. blooding some young players that are really going to come on the following season.
You are right about losing our better players but when you think more about it, at the end of this season other than AY and GA who stands out at this point in time that you could say we would find it hard to replace them.
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Man City have moved the goalposts once again, Looking at their bench one could make a case that in the interest of keeping a healthy Premiership clubs must be limited on how much they can spend. Randy would be in a quandry, he has probably doubled the Value of Villa but if he does not keep spending that value could fall dramatically. Milner to Barry......GOAL. makes me sick.
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The ramifications for just having an average season are huge though - and carry financial risk in their own way.
-Bye bye Ashley Young
-Continued decrease in gates/ revenue
-Higher cost to close the gap next summer- or even to compete for in and around 6th
This is one time when the steady/ safe option really won't cut it.
Have to agree with that unless there is an underlying trend of improvement e.g. blooding some young players that are really going to come on the following season.
You are right about losing our better players but when you think more about it, at the end of this season other than AY and GA who stands out at this point in time that you could say we would find it hard to replace them.
If the season does become a complete write-off - or rather, a transitional season - then the best hope we have is that the new manager has a vast knowledge of European quality that will convince our better players that we still have a bright future. Albeit one that's been postponed a season.
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Felix magath does not seem to be happy at schalke,he has a impressive track record with wolfsburg etc,worth a look
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Just out of interest, what constitutes an average season for us this year??
IMO 8th would be average, 6th would be an extremely good season.
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Felix magath does not seem to be happy at schalke,he has a impressive track record with wolfsburg etc,worth a look
Felix Magath would be my number one choice. I mentioned him in my first post on this thread but he hasn't really featured in the speculation. Here's my choice in order of preference. My gut says it probably will be Sven though...
1. Magath
2. Jol
3. Eriksson
4. Pellegrini
5. Billic.
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Birmingham Mail report Kevin Mac as favourite still
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/08/24/aston-villa-kevin-macdonald-still-favourite-for-villa-job-ahead-of-interview-process-next-week-97319-27122909/
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Birmingham Mail report Kevin Mac as favourite still
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/08/24/aston-villa-kevin-macdonald-still-favourite-for-villa-job-ahead-of-interview-process-next-week-97319-27122909/
I really don't want McDonald to get the job - his personality doesn't seem strong enough to me. He has his own doubts so how he is able to convince the board and the fans I really don't know.
We need good experience to see us through the coming months otherwise I fear we'll see ourselves in the wrong half of the league. Sunday exposed just how fragile the whole club is at the moment.
I want us to win our next two games but if we don't it may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
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I concur Nick.
I think he's a Villa man through and through (now) - but we are certainly in need of someone with a pedegree at this level of managment, and the days of promoting Coaches (a la TonyBarton's era) who go on the become top Managers are gone I think.
Pity Hughes took the Fulham job when he did.
Pity Jol's happy at Ajax or the fee to bring him in too high.
Pity Bradley has no experience at this level.
George Graham's still looking for a club with ambition, isn't he ? !
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I think that giving MacDonald the post full time would be a serious blunder by the Lerner and would see us fall down to mid-table at best, with the likely repercussion of losing Young in the following summer window- ultimately it would signal the end of any attempt to challenge for a European spot of any kind. We’d be down with the dross like Fulham, Blackburn and their ilk.
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Yet he may be the best man for getting the most out of the kids/reserves while we shed as much as possible from the wagebill and then go again in 2011/2012 with a manager renowned for overseas bargains? As in give K-Mac a one year deal and use that time to clear the decks and build up a kitty for the new longterm manager?
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I'm expecting we'll start to hear a few rumours after tomorrow night's Champions League games.
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I'm surprised that Bruce Rioch hasn't been mentioned. Is he the next Villa manager that never was?
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I'm expecting we'll start to hear a few rumours after tomorrow night's Champions League games.
Yeah, good call Mark. You would expect clubs that didn't quite live the dream to want to cash in on certain players and even managers.
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I'm surprised that Bruce Rioch hasn't been mentioned. Is he the next Villa manager that never was?
Signing Carlton Palmer and Steve Bull.
I think that maybe they're writing this season off as mid-table, and anything else is a bonus. Kev Mac is given the job and if he does okay, he stays. If he doesn't, next summer sees a new, big-name appointment with money to spend and no O'Neill hangover to contend with.
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But heavy criticism from fans. You're right that they're hoping KMac can paper over the cracks but ultimately, in the long run, i think it would be the worse thing for him as in one years time he'll be replaced and will he want to stay witht he reserves? or even be given the choice?
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But heavy criticism from fans. You're right that they're hoping KMac can paper over the cracks but ultimately, in the long run, i think it would be the worse thing for him as in one years time he'll be replaced and will he want to stay witht he reserves? or even be given the choice?
He'll be a manager by then, though, and moving in manager-job circles. A season with Villa and he'll walk into a lower divisions job.
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Sounds plausible and maybe not the worst idea in the world. GCK's comments seem to suggest he is the preferred choice, at least short term. To try and get a manager in with time to spend money this window was always going to be unrealistic, and people who think we need to do it assume we are more desperate than we are.
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That's OK for him, but do we lose a very good coach for working with our emerging youth/reserves.
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I dont think Kevin wants the job and i think that has come over to the squad. Against West Ham I think they were showing what they could do for a new manager, be it K-Mac or ano, but on Sunday toward the end, it was though there mindset was, it does not matter how we perform because we dont have a manager to bollock us. We need a new manager quickly or I fear we may have a worse than average season.
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I was watching yesterday evening's Midlands Today when SGT hoved into view on screen. For just a nanosecond I thought he'd been re-re-appointed... I nearly spilt my can of Brew.
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I think that maybe they're writing this season off as mid-table, and anything else is a bonus.
And lose yet more of our best players? It’s a bit of a disaster at the moment and going down this route would make it worse. Why wait 12 months? We’ve got however many millions from the Milner sale, spend it on a top manager- its not as if we’ll be able to spend the money this season anyway, as the summer window has almost gone and January is notoriously difficult.
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I think we are waiting to see what Ajax do this week. If they go out of the CL they will have to sell their best players.
I think Jol maybe 1st choice with KM as second choice.
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I think we are waiting to see what Ajax do this week. If they go out of the CL they will have to sell their best players.
I think Jol maybe 1st choice with KM as second choice.
That would make sense and be an acceptable approach, IMO.
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I'd welcome Jol too, but I have my doubts about whether we're in for him. I think they're set on the cheap MacDonald route, which will cost the club in the long term and ultimately Randy.
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While there's obvious urgency to end the uncertainty, it will be interesting to see exactly what KM does on Thursday and Sunday in response to Sunday. He declared naivety. Let's see what he's learned.
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I think we are waiting to see what Ajax do this week. If they go out of the CL they will have to sell their best players.
I think Jol maybe 1st choice with KM as second choice.
That would make sense and be an acceptable approach, IMO.
We better bloody hope Ajax get knocked out then. The difference between having Jol as manager and having KM as manager is vast.
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While there's obvious urgency to end the uncertainty, it will be interesting to see exactly what KM does on Thursday and Sunday in response to Sunday. He declared naivety. Let's see what he's learned.
I'm thinking the same thing. Were we facing another away game then the change for NRC over Downing or Albrighton is an obvious one, but what about a home game were we're exopected to go out and take them game to them? Also, might dropping young Marc have an adverse effect on him confidence wise? I can honestly say that sitting here I'm not sure what team I'd pick, other than Gabby and Cuellar/Collins coming in if fit.
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Aston Villa: Kevin MacDonald still favourite for Villa job ahead of interview process next week
Aug 24 2010 by Mathew Kendrick, Birmingham Mail
KEVIN MacDonald is still the leading candidate to fill Villa’s managerial vacancy on a permanent basis – despite Sunday’s 6-0 shocker at St James’ Park.
MacDonald will be in charge of Thursday’s Europa League qualifier second leg against Rapid Vienna and Sunday’s Premier League clash with Everton.
And the claret and blue hierarchy will not begin to formally speak to his rival contenders until next week when the forthcoming home games are out of the way.
Bookies’ favourites Bob Bradley, Jurgen Klinsmann and Ronald Koeman have all but been ruled out of the running to succeed Martin O’Neill in the Villa Park hotseat.
Far from being put off by MacDonald’s credentials after Sunday’s embarrassing defeat to Newcastle, Villa’s power-brokers were impressed with the caretaker’s response.
The temporarily-promoted reserve team boss bravely took the rap for the heavy losing margin and admitted he might have been a bit ‘naive’ with his team selection.
But MacDonald spoke to chairman Randy Lerner at Bodymoor Heath yesterday and he and chief executive Paul Faulkner hope Sunday’s scoreline was a freak result
Villa’s board are ready to resist any clamours for a ‘razzmatazz’ big name and prefer to continue with a safer option, like MacDonald who knows the English game.
It is thought they wish to employ a manager who can continue their steady progress rather than risk undoing four years’ good work with a knee-jerk populist ‘A-List’ appointment.
There have been plenty of preliminary discussions with agents acting on behalf of applicants, but the next stage of the recruitment process will start in earnest next week.
Villa are still reeling from the shock timing of O’Neill’s resignation five days before the start of the season and have made trying to negotiate the busy fixture list their priority.
But after the Everton game at Villa Park on Sunday there is a fortnight’s gap before the next match at Stoke on Monday, September 13, because of the international break.
The claret and blue top brass hope to use that time to appoint O’Neill’s permanent replacement so that they can start to plan for the season ahead with a degree of certainty.
With transfer deadline day now only a week away, Lerner and Faulkner will meet with MacDonald today to discuss the prospect of any arrivals or departures.
There is unlikely to be much business through the Villa Park entrance or exit doors with the managerial situation up in the air, but deals have not been completely ruled out.
One player unlikely to be leaving Villa any time soon is Luke Young with reports that West Ham have bid for the right-back believed to be wide of the mark.
Birmingham Mail - Clicky (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/08/24/aston-villa-kevin-macdonald-still-favourite-for-villa-job-ahead-of-interview-process-next-week-97319-27122909/)
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Bookies’ favourites Bob Bradley, Jurgen Klinsmann and Ronald Koeman have all but been ruled out of the running to succeed Martin O’Neill in the Villa Park hotseat.
And when did this happen, exactly?
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Is Hiddink in employment..............if not, why not?
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I reckon Randy's having a fire sider with Klinsmann myself.
Hope so anyway.
Ver sprung durch Klinsmann.
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Were gonna do it on the cheap again aint we?
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Were gonna do it on the cheap again aint we?
I fear we are and it really worries me what this season holds. Standing still for 12 months means going backwards in this league and we will undo some of the progress O'Neill for all his faults, has brought us.
I may be being overly pessimistic but there is a small part of me that hopes we cock the next couple of games up so that McDonald doesn't seem such an easy option. I always want us to win but maybe I won't be quite so disappointed if we don't.
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I reckon Randy's having a fire sider with Klinsmann myself.
Hope so anyway.
Ver sprung durch Klinsmann.
Me too, 14/1.
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Klinsman is my preferred choice. I said at the beginning of this thread that I expected it to be Jol, which I'll know recount and say I think K-Mac will get it for a year.
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Bob Bradley on SSN at the moment, saying that he'd be very interested in the job, but no discussions have taken place between him and the club. He's also said that he doesn't know Randy personally, just through his ownership of the Browns.
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Bob Bradley on SSN at the moment, saying that he'd be very interested in the job, but no discussions have taken place between him and the club. He's also said that he doesn't know Randy personally, just through his ownership of the Browns.
Yeah, you'd have thought if it was BB Randy wanted, then the club would have met him by now.
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Is Hiddink in employment..............if not, why not?
Turkey national manager - but why not try.
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Bob B doesn't live in Houston does he?
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Bob B doesn't live in Houston does he?
He was interviewed on the telephone from LA I believe
EDIT: That doesn't mean he doesn't live in Houston, but he's not there at the moment anyway
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I'm expecting we'll start to hear a few rumours after tomorrow night's Champions League games.
Yeah, good call Mark. You would expect clubs that didn't quite live the dream to want to cash in on certain players and even managers.
I'll be watching the Ajax - Kiev game with interest.
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Bob B doesn't live in Houston does he?
He was interviewed on the telephone from LA I believe
EDIT: That doesn't mean he doesn't live in Houston, but he's not there at the moment anyway
Thats about 1550 miles away then
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He could be scouting players playing in LA at the moment for all I know.
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i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,
if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head
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i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,
if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head
If Sunday showed us anything it was that we need more than just a coach.
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Hiddink is not a voting option? Would have been an interesting point to see where he would score, I would take him over Jol. He was top notch at Chelsea. The advantage of Mark Hughes as manager would be he would break his back to beat City home and away, which after last night would be fine by me. Just need someone in charge for the other 36 league games then
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i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,
if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head
If Sunday showed us anything it was that we need more than just a coach.
well sunday was a bad day, one of the worst on record, but that sort of thing can be the making of a man,
we might look at his tactics and subs, but if you think another manager no matter what you pay him will come in and make no mistakes even big ones, then you will be mistaken.
i certainy wont be writing the man of on that result as bad as it was, i think he deserves another chance or two.
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i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,
if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head
If Sunday showed us anything it was that we need more than just a coach.
well sunday was a bad day, one of the worst on record, but that sort of thing can be the making of a man,
we might look at his tactics and subs, but if you think another manager no matter what you pay him will come in and make no mistakes even big ones, then you will be mistaken.
i certainy wont be writing the man of on that result as bad as it was, i think he deserves another chance or two.
I'm not writing him off, as a coach. However, he's never made a signing in his life, he's not had to deal with the media until a week ago and he's not had to negotiate with players and agents.
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i still wont mind if they do give it to KM,
i'm sick of overpaid suits [not at villa], strolling around blaming the ref for everything, talking bollox, and in Svens case knobbing everything that moves,
if he learns from his mistakes he will be better than most on the list
i still think we need a coach rather than a talking head
If Sunday showed us anything it was that we need more than just a coach.
well sunday was a bad day, one of the worst on record, but that sort of thing can be the making of a man,
we might look at his tactics and subs, but if you think another manager no matter what you pay him will come in and make no mistakes even big ones, then you will be mistaken.
i certainy wont be writing the man of on that result as bad as it was, i think he deserves another chance or two.
I'm not writing him off, as a coach. However, he's never made a signing in his life, he's not had to deal with the media until a week ago and he's not had to negotiate with players and agents.
well he can learn,
making signings cant be that hard, not every one makes a meal out of it the way MON did,
all thats administration anyway,
we need someone to put things right on the pitch, i couldnt care less about his media image,
he's been hit hard, i doubt he'l make the same mistake twice, if he does then fair enough we dont go with him,
obviously if it was Hiddink or Km i'd go for Gus,
but to bring someone like Sven in or the likes, i'd rather keep to what we got.
people are expecting a right tanning against Everton, i'm not,
we might just see what he's really made of,
i'm not saying please give it to KM he's the only man for it, but i wouldnt be suicidal either if we went with him, i think he could have a lot to offer, and not just as a 2nd in command coach
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I am sure there will be some manager we will interview and not linked by media. So who knows.
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whoever comes in as manager lets give him a chance,just hope it aint sven,i really dont think kevin mcdonald wants it,his expertise is dealing with the reserves and youth team and hes deveoloped a few jems
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Hello chaps,
Don't post often but here's my two-bobs-worth on possible candidates......
Hiddink - Probably my first choice but apparently already committed to Turkish national job. Unlikely to break contract so early.
Kev Mc - Not for me I'm afraid. Would prefer him to prove himself elsewhere first, we could always take him back if successful. No problem with promoting him to 1st team coach under new manager though.
Sven - Was horrified at first but I actually think he'd do ok in a shore-things-up kind of way. Doubt he's what we want to push on long-term.
Curbishley - As Sven really, just a million times duller.
Jol - Another great shout but may not be obtainable this year? Apparently wants to win league with Ajax first.
Klinsmann- High profile, appears enthusiastic and forward thinking. But was awful at Bayern. Surely a trained monkey could win the league there?
Koeman/Rijkaard - Again, big names but unconvincing management records.
Bob Bradley - Good God NO!
Southgate - As above (x1000)
Pellegrini - Spent shitloads at Real Madrid and still did'nt win league. We don't have that luxury.
Ottmar Hitzfeld - Great record. Everything you'd want in a manager but doesn't want a return to club football. Due to retire after Euro2012.
So, it really appears we've been left in the shit. No 'stand out' available candidate.
Apart from one guy, Felix Magath, I honestly think is worth a try.
He's already had a couple of discrete mentions on here but isn't even listed in the poll.
He's believed by many to be the best manager in the German game, above Louis Van Gaal and Ralph Rangnick.
He laid foundations for Stuttgart to win league, leaving after they had finished runners-up.
Won the league and cup double twice with Bayern (that already puts Klinsmann to shame).
Then won league with Wolfsburg - the first time in their history.
Took over at Schalke who were in a bit of a mess by all accounts - finished runners up last year.
He can speak English and is open to the idea of managing in the Premiership-------- http://tinyurl.com/38odqyr
He appears unhappy at Schalke and therefore obtainable ------ http://tinyurl.com/36a27bv
AND he's not scared to sign the bigger names having just taken on Raul for example.
Imagine that at Villa Park - Raul instead of the Marlon Harewoods or Emile Heskeys of this world.
Anyway, sorry for the long post but like I say, just my two-bobs-worth......
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Hello chaps,
Don't post often but here's my two-bobs-worth on possible candidates......
Koeman/Rijkaard - Again, big names but unconvincing management records.
Rijkaard - unconvincing?
Barcelona
UEFA Champions League
2005/06
La Liga
2004/2005, 2005/06
Supercopa de España
2005, 2006
Bob Bradley - Good God NO!
I still don't get why people are so radically opposed to Bradley. Based on what facts? Taking away all the obvious no PL experience bollocks (massively overrated by the way), our national team super manager couldn't beat him, and Bradley tactically beat Spain and nearly Brazil with far inferior players.
ps. welcome by the way
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Both Rijkaard's and Magath's record strike me as remarkably un-suited to long-term planning. All of Rijkaard's spells with any team, without fail, have finished with dressing room disharmony, favouritism, disunity and chaos. Magath would jump at the very first opportunity to go to any club he perceives as being bigger in any way than us, however slight - or if he's offered a tiny pay rise. Bradley's a fine tactician and coach, but the football he plays is generally deathly.
It's unfair to say that Pellegrini bought any of the players that failed to win the league - he had no say in who was signed and was handed a squad which had been mishmashed together and told to get on with it. How they ever expect coaches to build teams out of players who specifically don't work together (Benzema, Kaka, Ronaldo, Higuain, Granero etc) is beyond me. What would be fairer would be to commend his almost incredible work at Villareal, where he built a team and a club out of nothing and got them to the Champions' League semi-finals. He'd be a better choice, in my opinion, than Bradley, Magath or Rijkaard.
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Hiddink would never come Villa, he could go to any job he wanted.
I would not mind Bradley too much just because of the unknown factor and the excitement of him being an unknown quality.
KMD is a save option to keep us afloat but we would be looking at an average season and probably be replacing him at end of season.
Klinsmann is my first choice as I think he is an up and coming manager that will get better with experience.
Claudio Ranieri another possibility but is with Roma isn't he.
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Hello chaps,
Don't post often but here's my two-bobs-worth on possible candidates.....
Hiddink - Probably my first choice but apparently already committed to Turkish national job. Unlikely to break contract so early.
Kev Mc - Not for me I'm afraid. Would prefer him to prove himself elsewhere first, we could always take him back if successful. No problem with promoting him to 1st team coach under new manager though.
Sven - Was horrified at first but I actually think he'd do ok in a shore-things-up kind of way. Doubt he's what we want to push on long-term.
Curbishley - As Sven really, just a million times duller.
Jol - Another great shout but may not be obtainable this year? Apparently wants to win league with Ajax first.
Klinsmann- High profile, appears enthusiastic and forward thinking. But was awful at Bayern. Surely a trained monkey could win the league there?
Koeman/Rijkaard - Again, big names but unconvincing management records.
Bob Bradley - Good God NO!
Southgate - As above (x1000)
Pellegrini - Spent shitloads at Real Madrid and still did'nt win league. We don't have that luxury.
Ottmar Hitzfeld - Great record. Everything you'd want in a manager but doesn't want a return to club football. Due to retire after Euro2012.
So, it really appears we've been left in the shit. No 'stand out' available candidate.
Apart from one guy, Felix Magath, I honestly think is worth a try.
He's already had a couple of discrete mentions on here but isn't even listed in the poll.
He's believed by many to be the best manager in the German game, above Louis Van Gaal and Ralph Rangnick.
He laid foundations for Stuttgart to win league, leaving after they had finished runners-up.
Won the league and cup double twice with Bayern (that already puts Klinsmann to shame).
Then won league with Wolfsburg - the first time in their history.
Took over at Schalke who were in a bit of a mess by all accounts - finished runners up last year.
He can speak English and is open to the idea of managing in the Premiership-------- http://tinyurl.com/38odqyr
He appears unhappy at Schalke and therefore obtainable ------ http://tinyurl.com/36a27bv
AND he's not scared to sign the bigger names having just taken on Raul for example.
Imagine that at Villa Park - Raul instead of the Marlon Harewoods or Emile Heskeys of this world.
Anyway, sorry for the long post but like I say, just my two-bobs-worth......
Mr Woo thought that was a very comprehensive look at the availability of the current crop of managers. Good post .............
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Felix Magath is a very good shout. Interesting links too.
I wonder if there would be any complaints on here if we nicked him off Schalke just 4 days before the start of the Bundesliga season?
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I still don't get why people are so radically opposed to Bradley. Based on what facts? Taking away all the obvious no PL experience bollocks (massively overrated by the way), our national team super manager couldn't beat him, and Bradley tactically beat Spain and nearly Brazil with far inferior players.
I don't think Bradley's lack of English or European experience should be so readily dismissed as bollocks: it's a massive disadvantage. It's certainly a far more important indicator than three one-off games against England, Spain and Brazil, only one of which he won. And while we're cherry-picking results from the 2009 Confederations Cup perhaps it's worthwhile pointing out that the US record in that tournament was P5 W2 D0 L3. No question the victory over Spain was a great result but the only other team they beat was Egypt.
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I still don't get why people are so radically opposed to Bradley. Based on what facts? Taking away all the obvious no PL experience bollocks (massively overrated by the way), our national team super manager couldn't beat him, and Bradley tactically beat Spain and nearly Brazil with far inferior players.
I don't think Bradley's lack of English or European experience should be so readily dismissed as bollocks: it's a massive disadvantage. It's certainly a far more important indicator than three one-off games against England, Spain and Brazil, only one of which he won. And while we're cherry-picking results from the 2009 Confederations Cup perhaps it's worthwhile pointing out that the US record in that tournament was P5 W2 D0 L3. No question the victory over Spain was a great result but the only other team they beat was Egypt.
Fair enough and maybe I was a bit harsh there. But when Ferguson came from Scotland to one of the biggest clubs in England and turned them into what they are today, or Wenger came from Grampus 8 to Arsenal we may have said the same thing. I think a good coach and manager is hard to determine by their current level of experience. Otherwise we may as well hire Curbishley. Also inexperienced managers like Hughes and Bruce have introduced the likes of Rodallega, Valencia, Palacios, Santa Cruz to England. So you don't need vast experience to have a keen eye for talent. In fact, I would bet Bradley would have a better knowledge of North, Central and possibly South America than anyone in the PL today. It somewhat counters his lack of European knowledge.
My position on Bradley is that I'm undecided because I don't have enough info. I certainly couldn't take a hard line stance against him like some have though.
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Rijkaard - unconvincing?
Barcelona
UEFA Champions League
2005/06
La Liga
2004/2005, 2005/06
Supercopa de España
2005, 2006
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I agree his record at Barcelona looks impressive after a very slow start there, and perhaps I shouldn't have lumped him in with Koeman.
I was really referring to his time since then while at Galatasaray.
While I can't claim to know the full ins and outs of Turkish football, I've always understood it to historically be a three horse race between Beşiktaş , Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray.
Galatasaray finished third this year (having said that, Beşiktaş were fourth) 10 points off second.
Would we have been happy to take for example Scholari from Chelsea if he'd lasted the season and finished 3rd?
p.s thanks for the welcomes, guys. I'm more than happy for you to pick apart the original post, no offence taken at all.
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I don't rate Rijkaard either to be honest. He lost it by the end of his time with Barca, and let's not forget he had a team that included Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and had Ronaldinho at the height of his powers.
Now I'm not saying that he's a bad manager, I'm just saying that I don't think he'd do the business with a team like villa. In all likelihood he'd need a team like Citeh to be able to have top class players to have a chance of winning things.
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Bradley's no mug but appointing him would be to risk all the work that's been done over the last four years. There are other, more experienced managers around who have greater experience of English / European football and who would represent less of a risk.
Bradley is the sort of guy we could take a punt on if we were at a very low ebb because there would be little damage done if it didn't work out. But we're not at a low ebb - we're an established top 6 side with a good squad and a good owner. We should be looking to build on that with a top quality manager, not taking a risk on someone unproven like Bradley. Or MacDonald for that matter.
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All well and good lauding Pellegrini's work at Villareal, but didn't a certain Juande Ramos turn Sevilla (albeit a bigger club the Villareal) into a realistic league title contenders playing a brand of football claimed to be amongst the best in Europe? Certainly would be a big risk.
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I have to say, the Magath option is a pretty exciting / interesting one for me. Better than most of the realistic ones on the list.
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p.s thanks for the welcomes, guys. I'm more than happy for you to pick apart the original post, no offence taken at all.
Going from Barca to Galatasaray was from an ego standpoint a royal kick in the bollocks. It's a rebound job so I'd question his motivation.
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I could only see Magath coming in at this juncture if Schalke got rid.
Again it comes back to the point that no decent sized club with one eye on success this year would let a manager depart - unless they wanted shot of him.
The later we go into the campaign the more those kind of opportunities open up. The gamble is the later we leave it, the more off the pace/ less attractive we may become as an option.
If we're say top 8 by Christmas, a Magath or similar might think with a bit of tinkering he can get us to 6th -possibly 4th. If we're stuck down at the wrong end of the table it becomes a harder sell.
A Magath or similar might be keen. And we are one of the bigger clubs in England. But whenever I read those kind of quotes from high profile types about looking to work in England one day I assume they mean the Big 4 or Tottenham.
How big are we in Germany?
I have no idea.
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It seems to me with all the media report Bob Bradley is only one who want the job badly apart from Sven.
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I would rather see Curbishley than Bradley. At least hge's got an idea of the game over here and has some inside knowledge of the club. Kev Mac assistant/coach on bench with him. Maybe just on an initila 12 month contract as he's currently out of work ?
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I would rather see Curbishley than Bradley. At least hge's got an idea of the game over here and has some inside knowledge of the club. Kev Mac assistant/coach on bench with him. Maybe just on an initila 12 month contract as he's currently out of work ?
That would be the most underwhelming appointment possible imo.
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Who voted Martinez? Let's out these people!
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i so hope its not bob bradley,,,,glenn hoddle anyone??
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Just seen Bradley's 'interview' with SSN.
*shakes head*
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who voted o deary feckin hell
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I could only see Magath coming in at this juncture if Schalke got rid.
Again it comes back to the point that no decent sized club with one eye on success this year would let a manager depart - unless they wanted shot of him.
Magath has had an awful summer by all accounts, selling most of Schalke's best players and replacing them badly, then falling out with the Schalke board.
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who voted o deary feckin hell
No more ridiculous than voting for Pearce, Southgate, Zola, Laursen or Clough.
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If he comes to Villa i will lose all faith in Randy and who is paul fat f Faulkner a peter keynon
Just seen Bradley's 'interview' with SSN.
*shakes head*
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you forgot alex mcshit ;D ;D
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u missed out alex mcshite
who voted o deary feckin hell
No more ridiculous than voting for Pearce, Southgate, Zola, Laursen or Clough.
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u missed out alex mcshitewho voted o deary feckin hell
No more ridiculous than voting for Pearce, Southgate, Zola, Laursen or Clough.
Who isn't in the list of options.
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This appointment is vital, it's not just about getting the right man it's about getting someone who'll get the fans back onside. Alot of fans are disillusined at the moment, we're perceieved nationally as about to go back to where we belong into upper-midtable obscurity.
Whatever we think, this sense of delfation is certainly going to be felt by the players. Ashley Young is not going to stick around if we appoint Bob Bradley or Alan Curbishley.
Billic, Magath, Pellegrini, Klinsmann or Sven - any of those would be decent choices, IMO. And not just because they're foreign. I'd have been happy enough with Hughes had he been out of work still.
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Which De Boer brother was coach of the Netherlands team alongside van Marwijk this summer?
One of them (not sure which one) was/is meant to be a Villa fan. At least I recall reading that a few years ago. Could be bollocks of the highest order though, alongside the 'George Weah is a Villa fan' legend.
Speaking of Dutch managers, Huub Stevens might be worth a shout.
Managed to a high standard in Holland and Germany with PSV, Cologne, Schalke and Hamburg amongst others and is currently in Austria with Red Bull Salzburg. He's been able to work on a budget previously (if we are saying resources are stretched - and I'm still far from certain that is the case) and I'd say he might just see Villa as a step-up compared to his current club.
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The big advantage of KM even Bradley is that they are safe bets not to show Mon up I'd guess.
Much better for some than a known experienced option, but I doubt RL thinks on those lines
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The big advantage of KM even Bradley is that they are safe bets not to show Mon up I'd guess.
Much better for some than a known experienced option, but I doubt RL thinks on those lines
It's like reading some peculiar code.
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From The Guardian:
Kevin MacDonald remains the frontrunner to become the new Aston Villa manager, despite Sunday's humiliating defeat at Newcastle United, and will be given the two matches this week, against Rapid Vienna and Everton, to prove that he is capable of doing the job on a permanent basis.
Although Villa were thrashed 6-0 at St James' Park, Randy Lerner, the chairman, and Paul Faulkner, the chief executive, have treated the scoreline as a freak result. MacDonald impressed in his previous two games as caretaker manager, against West Ham United and Rapid Vienna, and Lerner and Faulkner believe it would be unfair to disregard those two performances and judge the 50-year-old purely on the basis of a woeful afternoon at Newcastle.
MacDonald will have the chance to turn things around against Rapid Vienna in the second leg of the Europa League play-off tie at Villa Park , and against Everton in the Premier League on Sunday, in what effectively amounts to a two-game trial. Two positive results and MacDonald, who stepped up from his duties as reserve-team manager when Martin O'Neill resigned five days before the start of the season, will almost certainly be offered the position.
Although Lerner and Faulkner have faith in MacDonald and admire his work behind the scenes at Villa over the last 15 years – he has played a key role in developing the youngsters who have broken into the first-team during that period and is regarded as an excellent coach – their willingness to give him the chance to prove himself as a manager is also a measure of the club's lack of options because of the absence of any outstanding candidates elsewhere.
There has been no shortage of interest in the Villa post but the two managers who would have been strongly considered, Mark Hughes and Martin Jol, are already in work, at Fulham and Ajax respectively, and regarded as out of reach. One school of thought is that Villa might try to lure Jol if Ajax lose their Champions League play-off tie against Dynamo Kiev – they drew 1-1 in Ukraine in the first leg – but there is no indication that such a plan is in place at the moment.
MacDonald has yet to confirm whether he would be interested in succeeding O'Neill – he has hitherto expressed concerns about how the job would impact on his family life – although Villa are reasonably confident he would not turn the opportunity down. Lerner and Faulkner will, however, have a problem on their hands if results go against MacDonald, especially as the plan is to have a permanent manager in place by the end of next week, when there is an international break.
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The Mail had a similar piece yesterday.
I reckon it would be a mistake going with Kevin Mac and writing this campaign off as a season of transition (transition to what, 6th - mid table?) so this would concern me.
I'd also be a tad concerned that they're banking on Kevin Mac taking the job and will only start looking next week if/when he says no.
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"OK Kev.... Would you like two million quid a year as manager, or the chance of being out of work this time next week?"
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I don't know, I reckon he is more-or-less guaranteed a job for life working with the kids if he wants it. Whereas, if he is full-time manager, he is likely to get sacked any time. Admittedly, a million quid or so pay off would probably soften the blow but I doubt he'd get that. Ireland was on a 4 year contract at £80,000 a week and had to make do with a £1million-ish pay-off (poor lamb).
Most Premier managers aren't on wages that high... MacDonald as a novice certainly wouldn't be.
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I'm stunned that Bradley has even been mentioned at all.
like i've said before if you pick the likes of him then you might aswell go for a lower league coach. I'ts a complete pisstake for a club of villas stature to be considering him (if indeed the rumours are true). I live in the states and its been mentioned enough to make you believe theres something in it.
You would have to question a club that appoints a coach from a country where the sport is 4th or even 5th in terms of popularity and the standard in general is quite poor in its pro leagues. rant over
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I'm going to put Carlos Queiroz on my list. He's just been suspended by his FA, he's really pissed off and he may just fancy a change of scene.
Whilst I do have reservations about his leadership skills, I think he'd love it at Villa and I think we'd love him too.
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Bradley's comments today sounded like someone who was touting himself to the English market.
"I'm here! I'm available! Choose me!"
I think/ hope we'll be going for someone who doesn't need that kind of self promotion.
The US connection makes it an obvious link. So obvious that newspapers and other media outlets have put 2+2 together and made 25.
They ask him about it and naturally he say's he wouldn't mind that kind of gig. So the thing takes on momentum. But crucially he says he doesn't know RL personally and hasn't been contacted about the role. That bit tends to get overlooked though.
McLeish was asked about the Villa job two weeks ago and started fluttering his eyelashes and talking in riddles when -if ever there was a guy who you feel was in a position where he needed to give a flat out 'no' - it was him.
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All Mcdonald's comments and body language suggest someone who is really not convinced he is up to the job or in his heart that he really wants it.
I just think it would be a big big mistake and we will undo the good work and progress O'neill, for all his faults, has brought us.
Give it to Eriksson and review at the end of the season. He has a good record overall and certainly in the short term, will help to maintain stability and a decent profile in the media rather than slipping into obscurity as others have said.
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I'm sure KM will take the job if offered. I'm just not convinced we should offer.
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I thought Magath was told to sell a number of players to balance the books going into last season, and then almost taking Schalke to the title?
Of course, the timing of MON's departure has left us in the lurch. But several people on here were arguing for MON to leave for ages, and even touting the name of Jose Mourinho amongst a number of candidates.
I'm not seeing much by the way of preferred candidates from those people now. Bit harder than you thought I reckon!
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Of course, the timing of MON's departure has left us in the lurch. But several people on here were arguing for MON to leave for ages, and even touting the name of Jose Mourinho amongst a number of candidates.
I'm not seeing much by the way of preferred candidates from those people now. Bit harder than you thought I reckon!
Leaving out the laughable Mourinho suggestions (although I'd hope for the sanity of the posters they were tongue in cheek), but you can't see the difference in wanting him to leave, and wanting him to leave, but not so bloody close to the start of the season?
And yes, trying to find a manager is a lot harder at the beginning of the season than, say, late may.
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I have really immense misgivings about K Mac getting the job full time. Everything he does and says seems to scream of a man who is thoroughly uncomfortable with the position he's in right now, and Sunday seemed to be as much mental fatigue on his part as inadequacy from the players. I have no evidence or anything, but might he be too close to the players? Kind of the opposite of MON, I know, but there is such a thing as too close for a manager. For a coach, being close to the players can be a really useful and good thing, but for a manager it's a problem.
Don't get me wrong, he's an immense coach, has to be a big influence in the new set-up, whoever is the manager. But to be actual manager full-time? I would worry.
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All Mcdonald's comments and body language suggest someone who is really not convinced he is up to the job or in his heart that he really wants it.
I just think it would be a big big mistake and we will undo the good work and progress O'neill, for all his faults, has brought us.
Give it to Eriksson and review at the end of the season. He has a good record overall and certainly in the short term, will help to maintain stability and a decent profile in the media rather than slipping into obscurity as others have said.
All Mcdonald's comments and body language suggest someone who is really not convinced he is up to the job or in his heart that he really wants it.
I just think it would be a big big mistake and we will undo the good work and progress O'neill, for all his faults, has brought us.
Give it to Eriksson and review at the end of the season. He has a good record overall and certainly in the short term, will help to maintain stability and a decent profile in the media rather than slipping into obscurity as others have said.
Totally agree. He would keep a high profile for the club and bring in some good players even if only on loan. Plus his club record is impeccable ..............
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I have really immense misgivings about K Mac getting the job full time. Everything he does and says seems to scream of a man who is thoroughly uncomfortable with the position he's in right now, and Sunday seemed to be as much mental fatigue on his part as inadequacy from the players. I have no evidence or anything, but might he be too close to the players? Kind of the opposite of MON, I know, but there is such a thing as too close for a manager. For a coach, being close to the players can be a really useful and good thing, but for a manager it's a problem.
Don't get me wrong, he's an immense coach, has to be a big influence in the new set-up, whoever is the manager. But to be actual manager full-time? I would worry.
I agree entirely.
I'm also a bit worried by the "well, I'll see how I feel after the Everton game" approach, which means the transfer window will have slammed shut.
For all the talk of sliding backwards when MON left, which I do not in any way accept as an inevitability, we'll be asking for it if we appoint someone who doesn't look like he wants it, and has never done it before.
This a high stakes game. A season of mediocrity and it is bye bye to Ashley Young at the end of the season, as well as anyone else who has a good season this year.
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I have really immense misgivings about K Mac getting the job full time. Everything he does and says seems to scream of a man who is thoroughly uncomfortable with the position he's in right now, and Sunday seemed to be as much mental fatigue on his part as inadequacy from the players. I have no evidence or anything, but might he be too close to the players? Kind of the opposite of MON, I know, but there is such a thing as too close for a manager. For a coach, being close to the players can be a really useful and good thing, but for a manager it's a problem.
Don't get me wrong, he's an immense coach, has to be a big influence in the new set-up, whoever is the manager. But to be actual manager full-time? I would worry.
Petrov was calling for K Mac to be made manager after the West Ham game because he is popular with the players - that's a bad sign as far as I'm concerned as they will think that he'll be a soft touch. If he gets the top job and fails, we'll lose him from the Club which would be a real loss.
Much as he'll bring a bit of a circus with him, Sven would do for the rest of the season. We won't win the title so we might as well have some fun on the way to finishing 6th again.
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KM says he will know more on Monday, not good enough, time is passing and delaying for yet a few more days puts us deeper in it. Randy if you have a manager in mind(non American) appoint him now and lets get on with transfers.
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I'd be shocked if we signed anyone else, it's too late for us to just identify a target now and go and get him. Only way it could happen if talks have been ongoing and somehow the media haven't picked up on it.... Which would mean it's not going to be a Huntelaar/Flamini that we crave.
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I'm afraid I'm beginning to see the signs of a very long, and not particularly inspiring, season.
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Petrov was calling for K Mac to be made manager after the West Ham game because he is popular with the players - that's a bad sign as far as I'm concerned as they will think that he'll be a soft touch. If he gets the top job and fails, we'll lose him from the Club which would be a real loss.
Its funny how they get these quotes in times like these. They usually get things like this from players of lesser status than Petrov, as they did with Curtis Davies.
A great deal of it is brown nosing to the new manager to help them get into the team. Once the first few matches are out of the way, the usual in-fighting and bickering starts and, in the case of a caretaker manager, there will be all manner of behaviours going on that will make his job difficult. I am afraid that he seemed to have a resigned look about him on Sunday. Let's hope we see a difference tonight as the alternative managers that we are likely to get fit into the 'devil you don't know' category as far as I am concerned.
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I'm afraid I'm beginning to see the signs of a very long, and not particularly inspiring, season.
Ditto. Painful to contemplate after the progress and relative success and high profile we've enjoyed over the last 2 or 3 years...and as I invested in season tickets with some optimism in the Summer.
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...and as I invested in season tickets with some optimism in the Summer.
The ridiculous thing about it is that we renewed our season tickets earlier than ever before, for some bizarre reason. We must have had a feeling that it would be difficult to get into the away scheme with loads more people becoming season ticket holders. Whatever our deluded reason was, for several weeks prior to 09/08, I was not looking forward to the new season at all. We will still go however bad it becomes but people will have to excuse any moaning that comes out because sometimes it is only the music hall nature of it all that makes it enjoyable in a masochistic sort of way.
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Quote from this mornings Times "Mac Donald remains uncertain whether he wishes to be thrust into the glare of top flight Mangement . But it is thought the Club would be receptive should he wish to work alongside a more experienced figure such as BRIAN LITTLE ,a Villa legend , so that he can prioritise coaching the Team " .
Welcome back ' Sir Brian ' ?...... maybe even John.Gregory ?! ;), ................Godzvilla!
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Quote from this mornings Times "Mac Donald remains uncertain whether he wishes to be thrust into the glare of top flight Mangement . But it is thought the Club would be receptive should he wish to work alongside a more experienced figure such as BRIAN LITTLE ,a Villa legend , so that he can prioritise coaching the Team " .
Welcome back ' Sir Brian ' ?...... maybe even John.Gregory ?! ;), ................Godzvilla!
you missed the suggestion by many that Graham Taylor will be back in the role of DOF. He'd take it too.
The playing staff, even the whole playing set up needs a new input, a new impact man with modern ideas from tactics to training regime and so on.
KM and BL or GT won't give that. I'm there for a compromise situation but that ideas folly
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Isn't Sir Graham chairman at Watford? I doubt he'd leave them for us to be honest. He's got Villa in his heart but Watford in his soul.
Woooooaahhhhhh, man, I just sounded soooo black and soulful then I must be cool.
On refelction its a bit 80s T'Pau really.
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No dis-respect to Kevin Mac, but he doesn't look convinced he wants the job. That alone is enough to look at someone who does want it and want it with a passion.
Kev has done a fantastic job for a long time here at Vlla, he's been left in difficult position, no thanks to Martin.
I've always stuck up for Martin, I liked the football, the results were good, we were improving steadily. But he has certainly left us at a stupid time which has left a very sour taste in my mouth in the manner he walked.
We need to be interviewing candidates now and only looking at serious contenders for the job. We need some organisation and direction back at the top.
One thing under Martin we was tough to beat and we had great spirit, we need that back to our team. We need a leader.
Kevin Macdonald may have the respect from the players, and is probably well liked by them but we need someone in who is going to kick their sorry backsides into shape and get us playing again.
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To be frank the fact the Kevin Mac couldn't make his up within a couple of days meant he was the wrong man for the job.
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I completely agree that Kevin doesn't seem up to it.
But apart from , Alan Bob Bradley and Sven, I really can't think of a candidate who's going to take over in the next couple of weeks. Oh Alan Curbishley.
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Kevin Macdonald may have the respect from the players, and is probably well liked by them but we need someone in who is going to kick their sorry backsides into shape and get us playing again.
I couldn't agree more. Too much damage has been done now in the last two games for KMac to remain in charge. The season looks like a write off just after it has begun. We need Jol as a matter of urgency.
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As I said, enough is enough we need a proper manager to get this side into line. There are a lot of very good players, who need to have their attitudes sorted and it needs to happen now. There are also a lot of poor players who should not be playing for this club.
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I suspect the good will in the dressing room for KM is fading too. I imagine the 2 defeats have convinced the players he's not the messiah after all. There was probably relief with MON gone, but the honeymoon is over and we need a proper, respected, high profile, experienced manager and pronto.
I honestly don't think Randy and co are stupid enough to appoint KM now.
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SORT BY:
FAV NAME
Bob Bradley 3.65
Sven Goran Eriksson 7.4
Kevin Macdonald 8.4
Ottmar Hitzfeld 8.4
Jurgen Klinsmann 10
Paul Lambert 14
Martin Jol 16.5
Gareth Southgate 17.5
Slaven Bilic 32
Alan Curbishley 36
Alex McLeish 42
Ronald Koeman
My choices from that list:
1. Jol 2. Hitzfeld 3. Erikkson on potentially just a one year deal.
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I'm actually warming to the idea of Klinsmann now. Think he'd be high-profile enough to create a bit of a positive atmosphere about the place and keep the players happy. Can't think of a more suitable free-agent at the moment unfortunately.
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It was Kev Mac's job to lose. And he lost it.
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This scenario. KM doesn't want and was never going to be offered the job but is provaricating to take the pressure off the board until the announcement is made. Fingers crossed.
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Get Dave Jones in from Cardiff, he has done well with them and could do a good job with us.
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Paul Lambert, anyone?
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At least we found out he wasn't up to if before he was made manager!
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This scenario. KM doesn't want and was never going to be offered the job but is provaricating to take the pressure off the board until the announcement is made. Fingers crossed.
I thought this too Robbo. As you say fingers crossed.
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Let's be thankful that the players wanted KMac to get the job -
Heaven knows what scorelines we would have had if they didn't like him-
If it's correct that he didn't shout & swear after the Newcastle rout - he clearly doesn't care enough
Perhaps I'm being unfair on the bloke, he has regularly turned out good reserve teams but
is clearly out of his depth where it really matters -
At the moment we are a rudderless ship...........if we aren't careful its going to be a Titannic
struggle this season
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Oh for fucks sake we need a decent manager now! Pull your finger out Villa, even Doug with all his faults ×1000 would normally get his man. Stop pissing about and get it done. This season is about to go down the shitter if we take the easy K-Mac option, top bloke that he is. I'd even take Sven at this point. :'(
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Go to the Villa Facebook page. There are all sorts of managers being mentioned on there. Pick something out of a Pizza Hut menu and they will rave about it.
Bloody good man that Margherita is. Go get him!
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Kevin Mc is not the man for the job. That much is clear. Top bloke but we need a manager now to stop the slide.
Tonight has given me a real sinking feeling
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It's still worth waiting to get the right man, but I'd like to be reassured we were looking outside the club!
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time is really running out now, I was hoping we'd have something wrapped up so the new manager could make a quick assesment of the squad and get the cheque book out before the deadline next week.
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They are not going to get a manager currently in employment to move. The only viable option is Sven on a season long deal and review at the end of the season. He has the experience and will have the respect of the players. He's also worked with Ireland and Dunne before which will be an advantage.
Get it done Villa - the pain is too much to bear at the moment.
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I feel for KM, he never asked to be put in this position.
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I have never quite understood why Managers stand on the side just watching the game and not jumping up and down, urging their team on and showing passion. MON, for all his faults, couldn't stand still. I liked that about him. It's not a pre-requisite for bringing in a new Manager but it's something that Villa fans generally would rather see.
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I feel for KM, he never asked to be put in this position.
I'm sure he could have said No.
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I have never quite understood why Managers stand on the side just watching the game and not jumping up and down, urging their team on and showing passion. MON, for all his faults, couldn't stand still. I liked that about him. It's not a pre-requisite for bringing in a new Manager but it's something that Villa fans generally would rather see.
This made my angry on Sunday at Newcastle. Nobody was in the technical area directing the team.
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To be honest once the players are on the pitch there is not much you can you, it's not a computer game where you can choose where your players pass to. I seriously doubt jumping around shouting has much effect on the game.
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There is a huge amount of chat on the Boro message boards that Southgate is in. Not sure I believe it mind.
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There is a huge amount of chat on the Boro message boards that Southgate is in. Not sure I believe it mind.
Nah, won't happen. Can't happen. Probably will happen. :-\ :o
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There is a huge amount of chat on the Boro message boards that Southgate is in. Not sure I believe it mind.
Nah, won't happen. Can't happen. Probably will happen. :-\ :o
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Southgate was our next manager. Disappointed but not surprised.
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Get Dave Jones in from Cardiff, he has done well with them and could do a good job with us.
I like him and have great respect for the way he's handled himself several times now in difficult situations including at Cardiff. He does though strike me as a nearly man. Always coming close but rarely achieving.
He would, like Southgate even McClaren be a fallback option but not the manager we should get if RL really is doing as the General says.
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How about Mick McCarthy? He was excellent last season for Wolves.
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I might be hung for saying this, but the noses have a good manger who has not yet signed a contact.
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think we are seeing the difference between reserve team and first teat football in KMac....the reality is the reserves is not about results its about blooding youngsters and getting performances and you rarely see any team really go for it.
I was one of those suckered in after the West Ham game into giving it to him for the season however the fact that he couldnt see that the left hand side of our defence was hopeless for the entire 2nd half and left it alone makes him as inept at substitutions as MON was for me.
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If Southgate gets the job im gunna hang myself...
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think we are seeing the difference between reserve team and first teat football in KMac....the reality is the reserves is not about results its about blooding youngsters and getting performances and you rarely see any team really go for it.
I was one of those suckered in after the West Ham game into giving it to him for the season however the fact that he couldnt see that the left hand side of our defence was hopeless for the entire 2nd half and left it alone makes him as inept at substitutions as MON was for me.
very good point. Plus, those playing for the reserves have a point to prove to try and make the step up to the first team, so probably not as much motivation required.
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Southgate? Jones? McCarthy? Is this how far we've fallen that people see them as realistic options?
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It's really sad, but those of us who suspected he might not have the mentality for when things go against him are unfortunately being proved right, and sooner than we thought. Nothing would have made me more happy then to be proved wrong and for K Mac to have made it - it would have been a wonderful example of continuity and stability, as well as the depth of talent within our club, not to mention the pleasure of having someone who really knows and cares about the club in charge, like Guardiola or Bob Paisley. Sadly K Mac, for all his indisputable qualities (and I still firmly believe he should be a significant figure in the coaching set-up) doesn't appear to have the mindset necessary for this job.
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Last night when I was watching the build up to the game they went through the candidates and they said that we would welcome Southgate back as he's a former holte end hero, I spat my beer across the room.
Jesus man
NO way no way.
We need someone quality
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_L%C3%B6w
("In August 2010, Löw was rumored to be a candidate to fill the vacant managers position at English premier league team, Aston Villa.")
Joachim Loew anyone? Have not seem him mentioned before on here.... If he could bring the flair of Germany's WC team to us, I would be happy. He did OK managing in Austria apparently - If he was a voting option on here, he would get my 'tick' - Would he come? Who knows.
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In answer to the thread title we had better find the bugger quickly and it had better be someone that inspires the players because they currently need a good kick up the arse and a bit of direction.
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think we are seeing the difference between reserve team and first teat football in KMac....the reality is the reserves is not about results its about blooding youngsters and getting performances and you rarely see any team really go for it.
I was one of those suckered in after the West Ham game into giving it to him for the season however the fact that he couldnt see that the left hand side of our defence was hopeless for the entire 2nd half and left it alone makes him as inept at substitutions as MON was for me.
I'd agree and you are man enough to admit your error of judgement unlike many. He looked out of his depth for me in the first leg and has done nothing to change my view. In a way its sad, I just hope he's man enough to admit it and stand down, the 2 weeks without a game gives some breathing space.
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Paul Lambert, anyone?
I think he needs a season with Norwich in the Championship.
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To be honest once the players are on the pitch there is not much you can you, it's not a computer game where you can choose where your players pass to. I seriously doubt jumping around shouting has much effect on the game.
Yes and no, you are closer to the actioon and can get messages across. Just sitting their resting on the dugout frame sends out the wrong message IMO.
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latest odds (http://www.skybet.com/betting/football/manager-specials/t10002896.html?aff=682)
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Bradley B 7/4
Macdonald K 4/1
Klinsmann J 5/1
Eriksson S 6/1
Zola G 12/1
Lambert P 12/1
Keane R 14/1
Jol M 16/1
Southgate G 20/1
Koeman, R. 20/1
McLeish A 25/1
McClaren S 28/1
Curbishley A 33/1
Clarke S 40/1
Pulis T 40/1
Bilic S 40/1
Allardyce S 40/1
Jones D 50/1
Hiddinck G 50/1
Martinez R 50/1
Maradona D 50/1
Di Matteo R 50/1
Smith W 50/1
Davies B 50/1
Houillier G 66/1
Dublin D 66/1
Venables T 66/1
Staunton S 66/1
Robertson J 66/1
O Driscoll S 66/1
Arena B 66/1
Keegan K 66/1
Mowbray T 66/1
O'Leary D 66/1
Hoddle G 66/1
Grayson S 66/1
Little B 66/1
Platt D 66/1
Rijkaard F 66/1
Bruce, S 66/1
Pearce S 66/1
Hughes M 100/1
Gray A 100/1
Merson P 100/1
Atkinson R 100/1
Graham G 100/1
Coppell, S 100/1
Shearer A 100/1
Gregory J 150/1
Collymore S 250/1
Morley T 500/1
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Bradley still.
Jeez, make it stop.
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I still think Carlos Queiroz is a possibility. He'd love the job but we'd have to wait until after the international games next week. There's no way he'd walk out on Portugal so close to a Euro qualifying game. But after, I think he's had enough with the Portuguese FA and a return to England would be ideal for him.
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Has the recent results made KM an untenable choice for RL now?
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Has the recent results made KM an untenable choice for RL now?
I think so.
I think he's proven himself not to have the motivational ability required nor to be able to command a dressing room of multi-millionaires.
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Not only results but performances and his lack of passion to want the job. I have said before, we need a quality proven manager, not a gamble. This is not Bullseye!
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Can I really bring myself to say it?
McLeish A 25/1
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Not only results but performances and his lack of passion to want the job. I have said before, we need a quality proven manager, not a gamble. This is not Bullseye!
For ten pounds Sharon spell GET AN EFFIN MANAGER IN BEFORE EVERTON :'(
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Bradley B 7/4
Macdonald K 4/1
Klinsmann J 5/1
Eriksson S 6/1
Zola G 12/1
Lambert P 12/1
Keane R 14/1
Jol M 16/1
Southgate G 20/1
Koeman, R. 20/1
McLeish A 25/1
McClaren S 28/1
Curbishley A 33/1
Clarke S 40/1
Pulis T 40/1
Bilic S 40/1
Allardyce S 40/1
Jones D 50/1
Hiddinck G 50/1
Martinez R 50/1
Maradona D 50/1
Di Matteo R 50/1
Smith W 50/1
Davies B 50/1
Houillier G 66/1
Dublin D 66/1
Venables T 66/1
Staunton S 66/1
Robertson J 66/1
O Driscoll S 66/1
Arena B 66/1
Keegan K 66/1
Mowbray T 66/1
O'Leary D 66/1
Hoddle G 66/1
Grayson S 66/1
Little B 66/1
Platt D 66/1
Rijkaard F 66/1
Bruce, S 66/1
Pearce S 66/1
Hughes M 100/1
Gray A 100/1
Merson P 100/1
Atkinson R 100/1
Graham G 100/1
Coppell, S 100/1
Shearer A 100/1
Gregory J 150/1
Collymore S 250/1
Morley T 500/1
No odds on Hitzfeld there??
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My mate just called me and he's been told Phil Brown arrived at VP this afternoon in a car with Randy. I hope soooo much this is just a load of bollox it hurts.
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I might be hung for saying this, but the noses have a good manger who has not yet signed a contact.
Agreed - we were talking about this on the way home last night. I think we could, and fear we probably will, do a lot worse. He's a great organiser, got experience, wouldn't stand any nonsense, and I think he's still plenty of ambition (which he won't be able to satisfy at that nasty place).
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It shouldn't be, but actually being linked with Phil Brown is making me titter right now. In an hours time I'll be bawling my eyes out.
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He would at least bring his own sunbed. The last one disappeared about the same time Lee Hendrie left for Sheffield United.
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I might be hung for saying this, but the noses have a good manger who has not yet signed a contact.
Agreed - we were talking about this on the way home last night. I think we could, and fear we probably will, do a lot worse. He's a great organiser, got experience, wouldn't stand any nonsense, and I think he's still plenty of ambition (which he won't be able to satisfy at that nasty place).
He must be tired of the smell by now aswell.
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My mate just called me and he's been told Phil Brown arrived at VP this afternoon in a car with Randy. I hope soooo much this is just a load of bollox it hurts.
Ha! Ha! That's just made me laugh out loud. Is the link there the fact that his skin colour is the same and the cleveland browns orange shirts?
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i dont know who is worse, phil brown or bob bradley
the thing is at the present time, can we attract any managers better? i know us villa fans think we should have the best that is out there, but do they want to come to us ?
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i dont know who is worse, phil brown or bob bradley
the thing is at the present time, can we attract any managers better? i know us villa fans think we should have the best that is out there, but do they want to come to us ?
Surely the answer to your question is phil brown. He's a f**king clown (the rhyme was unintentional).
The thought sends a shudder of judda-man proportions down my spine!
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Tbh after last nights debacle, the lack of stewardship, leadership, structure, organization, everything, i would appoint a manager asap.
I would have waited for Jol, but i don't think we can wait, and , i never thought i would say it, i would have Sven asap.
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Owen Coyle if we r desperate? He has proved he will move during the season and his record is unblamished by relegation, his sides play neat football and he can work on the cheap. He's better than some recently mentioned.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/transfer-rumours/
This is according to todays express and star!!!!
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i dont know who is worse, phil brown or bob bradley
the thing is at the present time, can we attract any managers better? i know us villa fans think we should have the best that is out there, but do they want to come to us ?
There might appear to be a lot wrong at B6 but surely on gods green earth we can appoint a better manager tha Phil Brown if we cannot this really is a twelve storey crisis with magnificent entrance hall, carpet throughout, 24 hr porters and a large sign on the roof saying 'this is a large crisis'
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I disagree completely. We shouldn’t appoint a manager unless he’s the right man for the long term. Appointing one now in order to get some direction isn’t good enough if he’s not up to it. If waiting means we lose against Everton, then so be it. We’ll have two weeks to sort it out, get the right guy in, get him familiarised with the squad and he can have 35 league games to do some good work this season.
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why are we so desperate to get anyone in the job, regardless of there quality,
get the panic manager in and we are really in the deep shit, for the longer term
the clubs not going to end up like Newcastle or Leeds just because we lost one league game
i'm glad i wasnt in the trenches with some of you lot, you'd be surrendering before the first shot was fired [bit for the General there]
some of the stuff being posted is truly pathetic, give Randy the time to bring a good manager in, time to keep the faith not lose it
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I disagree completely. We shouldn’t appoint a manager unless he’s the right man for the long term. Appointing one now in order to get some direction isn’t good enough if he’s not up to it. If waiting means we lose against Everton, then so be it. We’ll have two weeks to sort it out, get the right guy in, get him familiarised with the squad and he can have 35 league games to do some good work this season.
some sense there at last
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Are they getting the rumour from the fan sites? I heard this yesterday from a Londay guy I have business dealings from (he's a West Ham fan) and he picked it up off a WHam web site.
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Has the recent results made KM an untenable choice for RL now?
I voted for him after the West Ham game but have now withdrawn my vote (4 centre halves)???? last night
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/transfer-rumours/
This is according to todays express and star!!!!
Surely the only way we can be getting in players is if we do already have a manager in place but he can't be unveiled until a certain date. And he's turned around to the board and said get me these players ready for when I come in since it'll be after the deadline date.
If we're getting players in because the board want them then we're in trouble. No manager is going to want to work with that. And if I'm honest the Aston villa board don't strike me as a group of egotistical halfwits that want to run a club like that
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I agree with Ads and John e. Rush and appoint a Phil Brown or Joe Kinnear type appointment out of panic and we will be fucked. It will do more harm than good.
Wait a while and get a slightly better class of manager and we will be the better for it.
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Another really important question that needs to be answered is,
What the hell are we all going to do with our spare time once we've got our new manager and there's not as much to talk about on here?
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You never know what is round the corner so there is plenty to talk about
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Another really important question that needs to be answered is,
What the hell are we all going to do with our spare time once we've got our new manager and there's not as much to talk about on here?
Should we sack the new manager/who should replace him.
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Another really important question that needs to be answered is,
What the hell are we all going to do with our spare time once we've got our new manager and there's not as much to talk about on here?
The Time Wasters forum I guess.
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I say the time to sack the manager we have not even got in yet is NOW! (before he's got a chance to ruin it) The fans demand more from him and he really has not delivered anything at all, where are the new signings, where are the cups! The time for new new new blood is now!
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Petrov has no idea who is new boss will be... aplogise if already posted elsewhere...
Petrov said: "We would like to know who is going to take charge, who is going to be involved.
"But there is now going to be a 10-day international break and we will see more clear things.
"It would be great to know who the new manager is. I hope he can be announced before the window closes so he can get some players in.
"Every manager has got his own ideas so it would be nice."
(From Tribal football- yes I know, but it does have quotes).
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"But there is now going to be a 10-day international break and we will see more clear things.
Good to see their minds are firmly on Sunday's game.
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I hope our captain is shouting this:-
"I hope he can be announced before the window closes so he can get some players in".
I do not think that two, three weeks means you settle for second best, and in 'getting a new manager' terms it is not that quick. You get the best you possibly can, and if you are not 100% sure then a 1 year contract is the way to go.
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The lack of interviews by now suggests that the club wanted MacDonald. Surely, it's clear now that that is not a sensible option. The tone has changed. There has been no umming and ahhing about it being such a great opportunity by MacDonald post Rapid loss, and Petrov's rhetoric has quickly changed from 'sign up MacDonald', to 'bring someone in!'. The club must now be looking for someone, but to have been caught short by this.
The times are pretty dark. We've gone from speculating about what players may strengthen us a few weeks ago to struggling to hold onto Young, playing terribly without a manager and no prospect of strengthening at all this window.
And it's hard not to think the worst because there has been no communication with us. MacDonald has been speaking for the club for weeks. Lerner, Faulkner, or even the General need to represent the club to the media and the fans. The General's comments on here have done nothing to quell anxiety; he seems quite anxious himself! It's all unraveling pretty fast.
Anyway: (Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/7968770/Aston-Villa-still-caught-in-a-storm-as-Tottenham-eye-Ashley-Young.html))
Petrov is speaking out; even MacDonald is too.
A reported bid from Tottenham for Ashley Young is the latest turbulence to hit the Midlands club.
Villa insist they will not part with Young or any of their major players — “it might not be their choice [to go],” caretaker manager Kevin MacDonald said, “if the club needs them, and they are under contract” — but it is another unwanted distraction as Villa’s board seek desperately to restore stability, a task which was made no easier by defeat to Rapid Vienna on Thursday night.
Randy Lerner, the club’s owner, and Paul Faulkner, the chief executive, had been hoping that MacDonald would be the natural successor to O’Neill, especially after his first game in charge, a convincing 3-0 win over West Ham.
But given that his team have conceded nine goals in their last two games, including last Sunday’s 6-0 drubbing at Newcastle, they must now intensify their search for alternatives (though a good result against Everton on Sunday could shake things up).
Phil Brown, the former Hull City manager, and Cardiff City’s Dave Jones have joined the growing list of managers interested in the job, while the USA’s World Cup boss Bob Bradley has re-emerged as the bookmakers’ favourite. Sources in America last night suggested that the job is the American’s if he wants it, but Villa have denied this.
Either way, time is running out. Agents were informed yesterday that the club will be interviewing candidates next week, but with question marks over the fitness of Gabby Agbonlahor and John Carew, the need to bolster the squad is undisputed.
“The results of the last two games would suggest that,” MacDonald conceded. “As far as I know there is nothing on the horizon.”
Stiliyan Petrov, his tongue loosened by the dispiriting defeat against Rapid, revealed that the players were also uneasy over the lack of action in the transfer window.
“I hope [Lerner] can announce [the next manager] before the window closes so we can get some players in,” the captain said. “Every other team is strengthening.”
O’Neill may have alienated some players, but he held the club together.
Players speaking out is a bad sign, and the worry is that Villa will fail to appoint a manager to take the situation by the scruff of the neck before their marquee names try to secure themselves a move to less tempestuous climes.
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Ronald Koeman has thrown his hat into the ring. (http://"http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196023/Ronald-Koeman-I-ll-bring-back-Aston-Villa-s-glory-days")
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Ronald Koeman has thrown his hat into the ring. (http://"http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196023/Ronald-Koeman-I-ll-bring-back-Aston-Villa-s-glory-days")
Wonder if its the same hat he threw at David Platt in the 94 qualifiers? SGT might not like that appointment.
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Link is "broken". So what did the "Cheating" Dutchman say?
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Link is "broken". So what did the "Cheating" Dutchman say?
The usual shite about tradition and the passion of English football - he thinks that winning is important and enjoyed the West Ham game. Cheating England aside - I think this could be a realistic target who knows he may even lead us to round one of Europa League.
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I hated Koeman as a kid but give him credit he's saying all the right things there.
Having someone with such a wealth of continental experience would be invaluable.
Ticks all the right boxes for me.
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Link is "broken". So what did the "Cheating" Dutchman say?
The usual shite about tradition and the passion of English football - he thinks that winning is important and enjoyed the West Ham game. Cheating England aside - I think this could be a realistic target who knows he may even lead us to round one of Europa League.
Yes it would nice to have a Coach who makes Europe a priority and understands that future is all about EL and PL and domestic football is a stepping stone to that however he has a very mixed record as a Coach at Club level.
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Link is "broken". So what did the "Cheating" Dutchman say?
The usual shite about tradition and the passion of English football - he thinks that winning is important and enjoyed the West Ham game. Cheating England aside - I think this could be a realistic target who knows he may even lead us to round one of Europa League.
Yes it would nice to have a Coach who makes Europe a priority and understands that future is all about EL and PL and domestic football is a stepping stone to that however he has a very mixed record as a Coach at Club level.
A mixed record is better than no record at all (Bradley/Macdonald)
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I hated Koeman as a kid but give him credit he's saying all the right things there.
Having someone with such a wealth of continental experience would be invaluable.
Ticks all the right boxes for me.
As posted on another thread, his managerial career is okay but nothing special, and he doesnt stay anywhere very long.
Having retired as a player after his stint with Feyenoord, Koeman became member of the coaching staff of Guus Hiddink during the 1998 World Cup along with Johan Neeskens and Frank Rijkaard. After the tournament Koeman was appointed the assistant coach of Barcelona. In 2000, he was handed his first managerial job as the head coach of Vitesse where he led the team to a UEFA Cup spot on a relatively limited budget.
[edit]Ajax
Koeman was appointed the manager of Ajax in 2001. Ajax' fortunes suffered a steady decline after Koeman got off to a successful start at the Amsterdam ArenA, winning a domestic double in 2001–02. Despite regaining the title in 2003–04, Ajax had fallen eight points behind rivals PSV in the Eredivisie. Coupled with Ajax being knocked out of the UEFA Cup by Auxerre, 3–2 on aggregate, lead Koeman to resign the following day on 25 February 2005.[6]
[edit]Benfica
Koeman bounced back quickly from a disappointing end to his reign at Ajax in February 2005, taking up the vacant position at Portuguese champions Benfica following the departure of legendary Italian Giovanni Trapattoni. In Benfica, against whom he won the 1988 European Cup final as a player with PSV, Koeman only won the Portuguese Supercup: the team finished the Portuguese League in third place (behind rivals Porto and Sporting) and was knocked out of the Portuguese Cup in the quarter-finals (after losing to Vitória de Guimarães). This, along with an offer from PSV, sufficed for the manager to leave one year before the end of his contract, even though Benfica reached the quarter-finals of the Champions League before losing to Barcelona, who ended up winning the trophy.
[edit]PSV
In the 2006–07 season, Koeman served as head coach of PSV, as successor of Guus Hiddink. PSV dominated the first season half, putting competitors as AZ and Ajax at a reasonable distance and PSV was almost destined to become champions again. However, PSV suffered in the second half of the season, also because of injuries of players Jefferson Farfán, Alex and Ibrahim Afellay, obtaining only 19 out 39 possible points.[7] AZ and Ajax regained their momentum, making for a close finish, with all three teams tied at 72 points before the last competition day.[8] AZ played struggling Excelsior in their final match, but did not manage to win. Ajax played at Willem II, but did not score enough goals; it was PSV eventually who triumphed against all odds, winning at home 5–1 against Vitesse Arnhem, and thereby becoming Eredivisie champions on goal difference.
[edit]Valencia
On 31 October 2007 Koeman agreed to be the new coach of Valencia after the sacking of Quique Flores.[9] With Valencia he won the 2007–08 Spanish Cup, a tournament he previously won as a player of Barcelona. This was Valencia's first Copa del Rey since 1998–99.[10] The remainder of his tenure at Valencia would prove disappointing. The team would slump to 15th in the league, only two points above the relegation zone. A 5–1 defeat by Athletic Bilbao would prove the final nail in Koeman's time with Valencia. He was sacked the following day, on 21 April 2008.[10]
[edit]AZ
He was appointed manager of AZ on 18 May 2009,[11][12] after Louis van Gaal, who won the Eredivisie 2008-09 with AZ, joined Bayern Munich.[13] On 5 December 5, 2009, AZ announced that Koeman no longer was in charge of AZ, after losing 7 of the first 16 games in the Dutch competition.[1
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Someone has been on 606 on the live football thread on the BBC saying we've approached Paul Jewell.
This is starting to take the piss now with these bollocks rumours!
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This is just the bookies coming on just stiring shit up to make some pennies
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Talking of taking the piss any one suggested Paul Ince ?
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With the squad we have and limited funds,the man who could do a good job is sam allardyce,midlands guy who I'm sure after his bad spell at Newcastle would relish the chance of another big job.
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With the squad we have and limited funds,the man who could do a good job is sam allardyce,midlands guy who I'm sure after his bad spell at Newcastle would relish the chance of another big job.
That would brings the fans flooding back.
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If that fat yam yam twat gets the job I'll be sneaking up behind him and bursting paper bags in the hope of inducing another heart attack. Non fatal of course, I'm not that much of a bastard, but enough to force him to retire.
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If that fat yam yam twat gets the job I'll be sneaking up behind him and bursting paper bags in the hope of inducing another heart attack. Non fatal of course, I'm not that much of a bastard, but enough to force him to retire.
It'll be the sneaking up behind and shouting type BOO! he will have to contend with.
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No way on big sam. I'd rather have bob Bradley and that's saying something! At least he plays football rather than hoofball
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Big Fat Ronald then?
When first linked my immediate reaction was no, but he's a bigish name and definitely wants it - why not?
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Somebody posted on another thread that if we don't really think that we're going to win anything, let's at least play some exciting football like the days of BFR. Ronnie might just do that for us and at least we'd have some entertainment for our money.
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Brian Little
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Somebody posted on another thread that if we don't really think that we're going to win anything, let's at least play some exciting football like the days of BFR. Ronnie might just do that for us and at least we'd have some entertainment for our money.
Aye, even if he flopped I can't see us finishing lower than 10th. The league is that poor.
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If that fat yam yam twat gets the job I'll be sneaking up behind him and bursting paper bags in the hope of inducing another heart attack. Non fatal of course, I'm not that much of a bastard, but enough to force him to retire.
Chris is a bastard, he creeps up behind blind people at pedestrian crossings making beep-beep noises.
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I'm still leaning towards one of the German options I think. A temporary option til someone better becomes available wouldn't be a bad shout, but the obvious 'villa through and through'options aren't enticing!
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My reading of the General's latest post is that Kevin MacDonald won't be appointed.
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Brian Little
Yes. If we must wait for whoever it is that we are targetting and probably be fairly useless in the meantime then let's get Brian in. At least we know he cares.
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My reading of the General's latest post is that Kevin MacDonald won't be appointed.
Yep, he's clearly no longer in the frame. I'm more than a little relieved by that though I thank him for accepting the care-take role.
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Yes looking at the generals comments I think we can safely rule out kmac and Bradley- thank god for that!
Let's hope we can get a win today and then all get behind our new manager next week- I liked koemans positive comments I must admit ,I have a strange hunch maybe we are going to try and get mark Hughes from fulham and try and buy out his contract?
Whoever it is I'm happy it's not kmac or bob Bradley.
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Let's hope we can get a wim today
Is that "quim" or "win"? Both would be nice.
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Gerard Houllier is the latest name mentioned.
Could be better, could be worse.
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Interesting one dave, plenty of experience at the highest level and in the premiership too.
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Three years out of club management is far too long in my book. He may well have been a top manager/coach but his biggest weakness has to be on transfers. No thanks.
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It's going to be Klinsmann, I can feel it in my bones.
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The quotes from Klinsmann in the media today on his 'next challenge' do fit with some of the things we've heard from The General.
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Here we go, the geniuses on the sunday supplement are just about to give us there ten pence worth on the villa job.
Any shouts on how damning they're going to be on us?
Phil Brown being the best we can hope for maybe?
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It has to be said that Klinsmann said none of that today or yesterday, or even necessarily after the Villa job became available, but merely "recently", which is vague to say the least, so he wasn't necessarily talking about Villa. But the promising thing is that he may as well have been, because everything he's said there is virtually a carbon copy of what Randy, the General, K Mac and everyone else connected with the club have been saying. If he rolls up in B6, I'll be optimistic again.
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Any links to what klinsmann has said please?
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Any links to what klinsmann has said please?
"Aaargh, achtung Spitfire!!!"
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Any links to what klinsmann has said please?
"Aaargh, achtung Spitfire!!!"
Now that's fookin funny!
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I guess this doesn't really matter now but was speaking to a lad who works for Sky last night. He said that Mon went over a row about Ashley Young. Young apparently told Mon that he wanted to go to Spurs and Mon asked him if he could significantly increase his wages would he stay. Young said he would so Mon went to see Faulkner who said all the players would do the same if it was granted so refused. Five mins later Mon came back and resigned. I ve never met the lad before so can't say how reliable he is but seems very plausible. He also said Man City will this week swap Robhino for Ibrahimovic so I guess if that happens he is likely to be right?
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Yes looking at the generals comments I think we can safely rule out kmac and Bradley- thank god for that!
Whoever it is I'm happy it's not kmac or bob Bradley.
Taken literally it also limits to managers past and present who know the PL, assuming league means PL, so no Klinsmann, Htizfeld, and so on
If you then use the winners analogy that limits even those past and present PL managers, few have been consistent winners. Houlier possibly, Tinker man even Moyes has not won anything, or Allardyce, Jewell, Jones, and so on.
Just a thought :)
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Mirror website saying spurs faxed offer to villa yesterday of £15m plus one of either jenas , keane or bentley in exchange for ash young, they say they are awaiting a reply.
Post on this page says ash wants to go , If that's the case the only way he could go would be to force this issue, they also say spurs will offer him £70000 a week.
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Mirror website saying spurs faxed offer to villa yesterday of £15m plus one of either jenas , keane or bentley in exchange for ash young, they say they are awaiting a reply.
Post on this page says ash wants to go , If that's the case the only way he could go would be to force this issue, they also say spurs will offer him £70000 a week.
How would people feel if he went? I think I would be dissappointed that we lose what is seen to be one of our top players but on a personal level Ash pisses me of with his attitude and his diving and dont get me started on his crosses. On reflection I don't think he has improved in the last 2 years, is that coaching or ability. I always thought that the free role would be really good for him but does he need the discipline of that wide role?
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I guess this doesn't really matter now but was speaking to a lad who works for Sky last night. He said that Mon went over a row about Ashley Young. Young apparently told Mon that he wanted to go to Spurs and Mon asked him if he could significantly increase his wages would he stay. Young said he would so Mon went to see Faulkner who said all the players would do the same if it was granted so refused. Five mins later Mon came back and resigned. I ve never met the lad before so can't say how reliable he is but seems very plausible. He also said Man City will this week swap Robhino for Ibrahimovic so I guess if that happens he is likely to be right?
Ibrahimovic is now at AC Milan, on loan for the season.
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Surprised kmac seems to be very interested in applying for the job on his comments today on the official website-I think the generals comments pretty much rule him out of the running and the last week should have told kmac he is not the man we want.
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Mirror website saying spurs faxed offer to villa yesterday of £15m plus one of either jenas , keane or bentley in exchange for ash young, they say they are awaiting a reply.
Post on this page says ash wants to go , If that's the case the only way he could go would be to force this issue, they also say spurs will offer him £70000 a week.
I would love Villa to reply with a faxed copy of someones arse - Droopy used up all his Villa credit when he stuck two fingers up at the crowd. Young's not for sale now fuck off Tottenham - we'll swap Heskey for Crouch take it or leave it.
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Mirror website saying spurs faxed offer to villa yesterday of £15m plus one of either jenas , keane or bentley in exchange for ash young, they say they are awaiting a reply.
Post on this page says ash wants to go , If that's the case the only way he could go would be to force this issue, they also say spurs will offer him £70000 a week.
How would people feel if he went? I think I would be dissappointed that we lose what is seen to be one of our top players but on a personal level Ash pisses me of with his attitude and his diving and dont get me started on his crosses. On reflection I don't think he has improved in the last 2 years, is that coaching or ability. I always thought that the free role would be really good for him but does he need the discipline of that wide role?
I guess this doesn't really matter now but was speaking to a lad who works for Sky last night. He said that Mon went over a row about Ashley Young. Young apparently told Mon that he wanted to go to Spurs and Mon asked him if he could significantly increase his wages would he stay. Young said he would so Mon went to see Faulkner who said all the players would do the same if it was granted so refused. Five mins later Mon came back and resigned. I ve never met the lad before so can't say how reliable he is but seems very plausible. He also said Man City will this week swap Robhino for Ibrahimovic so I guess if that happens he is likely to be right?
Strange then that Sky didn't reveal this as an exclusive or did I miss it? And funny how these stories etc are only surfacing now. Not shooting the messenger by the way, thank you for telling us!
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Dave Jones WFT
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/08/28/dave-jones-in-the-frame-for-aston-villa-post/
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Dave Jones WFT
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/08/28/dave-jones-in-the-frame-for-aston-villa-post/
aggressively rubs beard on chin to the point of drawing blood
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Mirror website saying spurs faxed offer to villa yesterday of £15m plus one of either jenas , keane or bentley in exchange for ash young, they say they are awaiting a reply.
Post on this page says ash wants to go , If that's the case the only way he could go would be to force this issue, they also say spurs will offer him £70000 a week.
How would people feel if he went? I think I would be dissappointed that we lose what is seen to be one of our top players but on a personal level Ash pisses me of with his attitude and his diving and dont get me started on his crosses. On reflection I don't think he has improved in the last 2 years, is that coaching or ability. I always thought that the free role would be really good for him but does he need the discipline of that wide role?
I guess this doesn't really matter now but was speaking to a lad who works for Sky last night. He said that Mon went over a row about Ashley Young. Young apparently told Mon that he wanted to go to Spurs and Mon asked him if he could significantly increase his wages would he stay. Young said he would so Mon went to see Faulkner who said all the players would do the same if it was granted so refused. Five mins later Mon came back and resigned. I ve never met the lad before so can't say how reliable he is but seems very plausible. He also said Man City will this week swap Robhino for Ibrahimovic so I guess if that happens he is likely to be right?
Strange then that Sky didn't reveal this as an exclusive or did I miss it? And funny how these stories etc are only surfacing now. Not shooting the messenger by the way, thank you for telling us!
Ha ha no problem! It may be utter bollocks to be fair but he seemed genuine enough! He works in the outside broadcast vans at games and does Villa a lot as he is local. The Inbrahimovic story is clearly not right so maybe what he said about Yound and Mon is incorrect too. Just thought I d mention it. I worked with Kevin Mac s brother for a few months earlier in the year and he said then that MOn would nt be here this season but i did nt take much notice!!
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I hated Koeman as a kid but give him credit he's saying all the right things there.
Having someone with such a wealth of continental experience would be invaluable.
Ticks all the right boxes for me.
Not for me. All the clubs he has been at seem to have regressed.
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Mirror website saying spurs faxed offer to villa yesterday of £15m plus one of either jenas , keane or bentley in exchange for ash young, they say they are awaiting a reply.
Post on this page says ash wants to go , If that's the case the only way he could go would be to force this issue, they also say spurs will offer him £70000 a week.
How would people feel if he went? I think I would be dissappointed that we lose what is seen to be one of our top players but on a personal level Ash pisses me of with his attitude and his diving and dont get me started on his crosses. On reflection I don't think he has improved in the last 2 years, is that coaching or ability. I always thought that the free role would be really good for him but does he need the discipline of that wide role?
I guess this doesn't really matter now but was speaking to a lad who works for Sky last night. He said that Mon went over a row about Ashley Young. Young apparently told Mon that he wanted to go to Spurs and Mon asked him if he could significantly increase his wages would he stay. Young said he would so Mon went to see Faulkner who said all the players would do the same if it was granted so refused. Five mins later Mon came back and resigned. I ve never met the lad before so can't say how reliable he is but seems very plausible. He also said Man City will this week swap Robhino for Ibrahimovic so I guess if that happens he is likely to be right?
Strange then that Sky didn't reveal this as an exclusive or did I miss it? And funny how these stories etc are only surfacing now. Not shooting the messenger by the way, thank you for telling us!
Ha ha no problem! It may be utter bollocks to be fair but he seemed genuine enough! He works in the outside broadcast vans at games and does Villa a lot as he is local. The Inbrahimovic story is clearly not right so maybe what he said about Yound and Mon is incorrect too. Just thought I d mention it. I worked with Kevin Mac s brother for a few months earlier in the year and he said then that MOn would nt be here this season but i did nt take much notice!!
Whoever this lad is he is full of shit. Zlatan's already signed a season long loan for Milan.
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All the noises from the club management seem to suggest that KMac won't be the one in the hot seat. The players seem to keep bigging him up though, Luke Young and Petrov again saying they hope he decides he wants it
Good result today but I'm still not convinced he is the best man for the job - although he's doing well given the state of the team. He could just be the best man available to steady the ship until the ideal man becomes available.
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KMAC never looks comfortable in interviews.
Always looks like a young boy wearing a jumper his nan has made him, out of that itchy arse wool.
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Watching his interview now on SS, he seems to be treating it like a job interview in itself.
Given that his own highlight so far is getting to work with quality players on the training ground, I think that says it all about the role he should be taking at the club.
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We will struggle all season if we give it tgo K Mac. Good coach but not a manager of a prem club.
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To appoint K Mac would be an emotional choice, not a rational one. As Randy is without doubt a rational man, I don't think K Mac will be appointed. However, he should definitely be involved heavily in the first team squad.
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To appoint K Mac would be an emotional choice, not a rational one. As Randy is without doubt a rational man, I don't think K Mac will be appointed. However, he should definitely be involved heavily in the first team squad.
Or could be a financial one
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To appoint K Mac would be an emotional choice, not a rational one. As Randy is without doubt a rational man, I don't think K Mac will be appointed. However, he should definitely be involved heavily in the first team squad.
Or could be a financial one
Whatever, the answer is still NO!
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Whats with all the phil brown winks on MOTD
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Did I hear correct on motd2 that club have released statement that next Villa manager
will need to have 'Premiership' experience ?
Would rule out several names mentioned on here -
Would rule 'in' Gerard Houlier but more alarmingly Sven !!
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Did I hear correct on motd2 that club have released statement that next Villa manager
will need to have 'Premiership' experience ?
Would rule out several names mentioned on here -
Would rule 'in' Gerard Houlier but more alarmingly Sven !!
The General has clarified it's experience of the Premier League, not necessarily management experience.
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Did I hear correct on motd2 that club have released statement that next Villa manager
will need to have 'Premiership' experience ?
Would rule out several names mentioned on here -
Would rule 'in' Gerard Houlier but more alarmingly Sven !!
The General has clarified subsequently that Premiership experience doesn't necessarily mean Premiership managerial experience. So while it would appear to count out the likes of Koeman, Rijkaard and Bradley it does leave the door open for someone like Klinsmann, who I'd be pleased with.
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Whats with all the phil brown winks on MOTD
Yes, and Brown said he was looking for a project - Project B6 is definately on his radar.
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I'm sure he'd love the job. He's not getting it mind.
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New poster, lifelong fan, first went 1965. Went theough the pain and the glory. Lived on Aston Lane as a kid, then Bromsgrove and now live in USA. I have no inside knowledge but I read the statement very carefully.
Here is a name everyone seems to have missed, that would fit the description. Would be an interesting appointment although he has a reputation for falling out with players easily. He is currently unemployed other than TV analysis and World cup bid role for Holland. I expect he will be at Bodymoor for the interview process as his resume fits the bill.
Ruud Gullit - Mr sexy football
Remember Randy was recently in Holland and he also has good links to LA Galaxy
Just off the top of my head
Natural song for the Holte End " Hey Ruud " to Hey Jude by the Beatles. What an anthem that would be !
Watching developments with interest
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Christ, not Ruud Gullit!
Based on recent noise from B6, the top candidates would seem to me to be:
- Klinnsman (who I'm warming to)
- Martin Jol (my top choice, but don't think he'll come)
- Erikkson (almost the default option)
- Slaven Bilic (never quite got why so many rate him so highly. Unproven for me)
- Carlos Queiroz (interesting one)
- Houllier (no idea what he's doing now, but really wouldn't warm to this, and find his brand of football boring)
If we can't have Jol, I think I'd be tempted to take a chance with Klinsmann from that list, but it would be taking a risk. Maybe Eriksson a safer bet, even if he was keeping the seat warm. I'd be more inclined to go for Hitzfeld or Magath but they seem to have been ruled out.
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SGE's Number 2, Tord Grip, is an ex-Villa player. Well he turned out for the reserves a couple of times.
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Alan Pardew has just been sacked by southampton! You reckon he's called Randy to see if he's missed the deadline date to put is CV in?
LOL!!!
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Hiddink has PL experience. Come on, make it happen.
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New poster, lifelong fan, first went 1965. Went theough the pain and the glory. Lived on Aston Lane as a kid, then Bromsgrove and now live in USA. I have no inside knowledge but I read the statement very carefully.
Welcome to H&V kuemmerer
Gullitt? Bad call for a first post!!!!
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sorry guys but i think we need look no further then Sven...
he has respect from all who has worked with him, Beckham said the other day that he and Ferguson are the 2 best managers he has worked with, he brings the best out of players and i for one would be over the moon...
see below my reasons....
1st club (1978) - Degerfors - 1st year won championship and gained promotion
2nd club (1979 - 1982) - Göteborg - won the treble including the uefa cup in 1982.
3rd club (1982 - 1985) - Benfica - won the double league and cup and finalists in eufa cup.
4th club (1985 - 1986) - Roma - won copa italia 1986
5th club (1986 - 1987) - Fiorentina - his first only trophy less club
6th club - (1988 - 1992) - Benfica - winning the league again and getting to the final of the european cup in 1991
7th club - (1992 - 1994) - Sampdoria - won italia cup again
8th Club - (1997 - 2001) - Lazio - Eriksson amassed trophies on a remarkable scale, and because of this many fans consider him to be Lazio's most successful manager ever, this included the european cup the super cup, the cup winner cup, the league and the italia cup.
9th Club - (2007 - 2008) - Man City - 1st Man City Manager to win both Manchester derby's and finished the highes the club had finished in decades! when he was due to get the sack the players all said that they would be willing to strike if this was the case. the fans even introdues an SOS (save our Sven) and tickets sales had dropped massivly in support for the super swede...
so there u have it guys, he is well worth the job in my opinion and what i think is if he gets the job we should all get behind him...
Sven for Villa is a YES from me.
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100% agree I think Sven would be fantastic for villa
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More recently;
Mexico manager
Ivory Coast manager
Notts County director of football
Failed in all
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The General has said that the man needs to know the Premier League but not necessarily to have managed in the Premier League, despite Faulkner's statement (it's perfectly possible that Faulkner's statement was an accidental misnomer). This makes me slightly more optimistic. However, if it is one from the Premier League merry-go-round then I will be really disappointed.
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More recently;
Mexico manager
Ivory Coast manager
Notts County director of football
Failed in all
And he's a cad.
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I'm interested in the General's remark about buying into "what it means to wear the claret and blue". You could take that to mean simply that it has to be someone with connections to the club, or maybe to mean someone who knows the history of the game, respects its traditions and is perhaps seen as having a more enlightened ethos than is normally associated with 21st century football. Obviously the second would seem to fit in with what we know Randy and others have said about their vision for the club but, modern football being what it is, such men are hard to find. Roy Hodgson would be an example. I'd perhaps say Klinsmann too, because he appears to be a thoughtful and intelligent individual; he's come a long way from being the guy who was reviled for his diving.
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I agree, Hilts. Reading Klinsmann's comments, he's certainly someone who buys into the idea of long-term building, and certainly comes across as a very respectful man. Hodgson as well, but of course he's unattainable. They really are rare: the likes of Ferguson and Wenger are exceptions rather than examples.
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Sven's best days are long behind him I reckon, he's best avoided.
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It would be seriously awful if Sven was appointed.
Kilnsmann would be a very interesting choice.
Theteam meanwhile seem to be backing Kev; is that becuse he's a nice guy, and wouldn't dish out the bollockings ?
Only Prem experience is a bit too narrow minded in my opinion.
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Kevin Mac just doesn't inspire me with confidence as our manager. I think he would need to have proven himself somewhere first. He seems so relaxed and quiet that I can't imagine him getting the best out of a team.
That said, he did well yesterday.
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Jurgen or Sven would both be good choices- high profile and lots of contacts , both managed at high level and both know the premiership.
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More recently;
Mexico manager
Ivory Coast manager
Notts County director of football
Failed in all
And he's a cad.
We've got a lot of women working at the Villa at the moment. Sven would probably be a distraction for them and cause too much unrest if they fought for his attention!
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I'd like Klinnsmann, I think he appears eloquent and thoughtful and I think he'd be good at building the team.
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At the moment I'm finding it hard to see past Klinsmann. He's the perfect candidate in my view, and if he wants it we should hire him.
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I'd certainly take Kinnsmann over Sven. Surely it won't be someone like Curbishley?
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I'd certainly take Kinnsmann over Sven. Surely it won't be someone like Curbishley?
Or Phil Browne, he looked rather sheepish last night on MOTD when asked about Villa. Is there any industrial strength sun beds to be delivered to Bodymor in the next few weeks. Christ!
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Regardless of Sven's achievements, look at his average tenure. 4 years the longest he's stayed at the club, and usually he's out after a couple of seasons. Do we really want to be the the position of finding another manager and building a new team in 2 years?
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I'm assuming that when the board talk about having Premier League experience they actually mean experience of doing well in the Premier League, and that pretty much rules out people like Phil Brown.
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Anyone who thinks it'll be a Phil Brown-level of appointment needs their head examined.
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Can someone please tell me why Klinsmann would be such a good choice? Had Bayern not fired him, they would probably have missed out on Europe altogether, let alone the Champions League. His team were a basket case that shipped 5 to Wolfsburg and Bremen (I think). The score one more than your opponents approach is fine, but we barely have the personnel to score one, let alone one more.
If he's to succeed he'll need a tactical mastermind as a very strong number 2.
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Jurgen Klinsmann's claret n blue army.....
Well, that kinda works so a tick in the most important box ;)
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Anyone who thinks it'll be a Phil Brown-level of appointment needs their head examined.
A spurs fan I know has got money on it being Tony Mowbray. They get their highest placing in the league since '92 and all the altitude seems to have starved their brains of oxygen.
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Anyone who thinks it'll be a Phil Brown-level of appointment needs their head examined.
A spurs fan I know has got money on it being Tony Mowbray.
The thought of Chris Smith endlessly defending Mowbray is almost worth appointing him. Almost.
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Made me chuckle Mark! I'm not sure Chris wll see it that way though!
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Anyone who thinks it'll be a Phil Brown-level of appointment needs their head examined.
A spurs fan I know has got money on it being Tony Mowbray.
The thought of Chris Smith endlessly defending Mowbray is almost worth appointing him. Almost.
Not a fucking chance of me defending that sour faced ******. He'd be right up your street thought with his 200 passes to achieve fuck all philosophy.
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If Klinsmann come in he will be able to appoint coaching staff to work with the like of McAndrews, Cowans and MacDonald. He should be intelligent enough to realise he can't play extreme attacking game as we don't have the firepower to outscore team. I predict Miloslav Klose to move to Villa in January as his first signing.
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From twitter....
picking up signals that the aston villa appointment might create some serious stir (if randy learner gets his number one choice)
web • 30/08/2010 13:36
retweeted by @sammatterface
30/08/2010 13:55
That's sam matterface from SSN.
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interesting.
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Moyes or Coyle?
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That would suggest Moyes is his first choice to me.
I would say there is very little chance of that happening though.
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It could be very good, it could be very bad, it's a nothing statement.
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My Everton supporting mate will be pleased if it is Moyes.
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Maybe it's Maradona after all...
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My initial thought is Alex Macleish. Hope I'm wrong.
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Maybe it's Maradona after all...
You could supply him.
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Maybe it's Maradona after all...
You could supply him.
Very good!
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Got a feeling it is bruce
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Got a feeling it is bruce
I'd rather have Robert the Bruce than John Merrick.
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Maybe it's Maradona after all...
You could supply him.
No doubt. East Side's finest :-D
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That'll be Moyes I reckon.
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Stuck a few quid on Moyes and then, because the odds are much better, a few quid on Capello :p Serious stir indeed!
S
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Anyone who thinks it'll be a Phil Brown-level of appointment needs their head examined.
A spurs fan I know has got money on it being Tony Mowbray.
The thought of Chris Smith endlessly defending Mowbray is almost worth appointing him. Almost.
Not a fucking chance of me defending that sour faced c***. He'd be right up your street thought with his 200 passes to achieve fuck all philosophy.
You've made my day, Chris. (Sniggering like Mutley)
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My initial thought is Alex Macleish. Hope I'm wrong.
I'm almost certainly on my own here but I'd actually be quite pleased if it was Mcleish. Obviously it would be funny to annoy them but I genuinely think he's a very, very good manager. Perhaps it's just my liking for Rangers talking but I certainly see him as a far better candidate than the majority of people who seem to be in the running for the job.
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Moyes is the favourite on Paddy Power at 7/2.
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The same source is now saying we are 'pressing hard' for a manager who is in a 'fairly decent' job in the UK.
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If Moyes has been approached he has to be considering this carefully. His stock is likely quite low amongst Everton fans because he hasn't won anything despite his challenges. How much more can you take of that year after year. I cannot believe investors continuously overlook the club. Even that Indian bloke wants to buy Blackburn. If he came to Villa he fits the model as depicted by the club in it's manager search. Knows the PL well, respected in the game, can obvously work within a budget, has developed talented players and has a keen eye for talent at home and abroad. It would be a very solid appointment indeed.
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One look at the odds here:
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager
tells the story, ie nobody has a fecking clue. Bradley drifting after being (ridiculously) the favourite for ages, Moyes out of absolutely nowhere today, KM back out to 4/1 ish.
It really is all over the place.
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The Everton fans have at least as many criticisms of Moyes and we had with O'Neill.
He may well come in and click, but he could easily not do so.
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Considering what he's done there on a limited budget, nevermind the alternative options, that would be a massive coup.
Not gonna happen though.
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Moyes/Jol/Hiddink for me.
Would'nt be over disappointed with Coyle/McLeish/Sven, or even Martinez, although he would be a gamble.
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I think we are a club of a high enough standard for a manager to leave his current post to come to us.
I think we are an attractive proposition for many managers
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Moyes has gone down from 33/1 to 7/2 in a couple of hours.
I had £5 on 33/1 earlier today.
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I'm sure I've heard him on the radio lately explicitly saying he doesn't want the job and that he's happy at Everton. If we got him I'd be pretty amazed.
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Well he's hardly going to come out and say that he wants to join a direct rival of Everton's, is he?
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thing is, he's not going to get offered the Man U job or the like unless he can prove, he can do the business at another club...that could be a motivation for him, unless he's planning to stay there for his whole career.
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It feels like Steve Bruce has been manager of Villa the last couple of years.
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He did'nt say he did'nt want the job, he said he was loyal to Everton.
If i was a prospectice employer this statement would'nt have put me off, it implys he will do as Everton wish, if they are prepared to release him, then he is likely to leave.
He might feel after 5/6 yrs at Everton it is time for a change, and Everton and their fans might feel the same, after all they have a ready made replacement.
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If Moyes came in he could work with Kev Mc both canny scotsmen but Kev has done a great job bringing the reserves on so wouldnt want to lose that, he has faith in the reserves to blood them in the 1st team.
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He might feel after 5/6 yrs at Everton it is time for a change, and Everton and their fans might feel the same, after all they have a ready made replacement.
He's there 8 years at this stage.
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He did'nt say he did'nt want the job, he said he was loyal to Everton.
If i was a prospectice employer this statement would'nt have put me off, it implys he will do as Everton wish, if they are prepared to release him, then he is likely to leave.
He might feel after 5/6 yrs at Everton it is time for a change, and Everton and their fans might feel the same, after all they have a ready made replacement.
Whose the ready made replacement?
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My only gripe with Moyes is that he seems have trouble spotting a decent striker. Yakubu cost them a fortune and has flopped, Saha is not a bad player but very injury prone and Anichebe, well enough said. His midfield and defensive buys have been pretty much spot on though.
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In fairness, our best striker came through the youth setup, and the other two are huge useless wastes of space who wouldn't recognise the goal if it had signposts next to it. things can hardly get worse, in that respect.
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He's signed Beckford which hasn't worked out yet, but Saha when healthy has been excellent.
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My only gripe with Moyes is that he seems have trouble spotting a decent striker. Yakubu cost them a fortune and has flopped, Saha is not a bad player but very injury prone and Anichebe, well enough said. His midfield and defensive buys have been pretty much spot on though.
He has never had the money to buy a top class striker.
I would be 100% behind Moyes, but I can only dream of his appointment as I think we have no chance of getting him!
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My only gripe with Moyes is that he seems have trouble spotting a decent striker. Yakubu cost them a fortune and has flopped, Saha is not a bad player but very injury prone and Anichebe, well enough said. His midfield and defensive buys have been pretty much spot on though.
He has never had the money to buy a top class striker.
I would be 100% behind Moyes, but I can only dream of his appointment as I think we have no chance of getting him!
I don't know, Yakubu cost them £11m and they paid around the same for Fellani and the russian bloke who they signed last year (who looks a good player) cost nearly £9m. He's had a fair whack to spend in fairness. He's be an interesting choice if it came off though.
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Did Moyes sign Beattie and Andy Johnson?
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Did Moyes sign Beattie and Andy Johnson?
Not sure about Beattie, but i'm sure he signed Johnson.
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Did Moyes sign Beattie and Andy Johnson?
Not sure about Beattie, but i'm sure he signed Johnson.
yes he did. However good a manager is they will always sign duds. Ferguson, MON, Moyes, Wenger, Benitez. I bet even Capello and Hiddink have. Every one of those players seemed a great deal at the time.
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Well it doesn't really matter because I cannot for the life of me see us pulling it off!
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Moyes is overrated in the market. £20million on Beattie, Johnson and Koldrup for example. £12million on Fellaini was big money too.
His net spend bracket looks handsome because he was fortunate enough for Man Utd to give them £30million quid for a 16 year old and Man City to pay three times the market value for Lescott.
That said he's one of the better managers in the country and probably among the best younger managers in Europe, I'd love him here.
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On Ladbrokes now... Can anyone explain why the Moyes option is now suspended?
05 Sep. 23:59 Next permanent Aston Villa manager David Moyes Susp.
Kevin MacDonald 4/1
Sven Goran Eriksson 5/1
Mark Hughes 6/1
Gerard Houllier 9/1
Gareth Southgate 12/1
Bob Bradley 12/1
Martin Jol 14/1
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I was listening to talksport when they asked him he wanted the Villa job, he said, no he is very loyal to everton, he has his best ever team and that he thinks they can do something special this year.
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'Cos Randy was seen 'embracing' (whatever that means) Moyes at the game yesterday so people have put 2+2 together and lumped on.
I really think you can't read a thing into betting patterns. A rumour starts, people bet on it, the odds come down, people use the odds coming down as a source for the rumour.
It's crazy.
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In fairness, our best striker came through the youth setup, and the other two are huge useless wastes of space who wouldn't recognise the goal if it had signposts next to it. things can hardly get worse, in that respect.
I presume by the other two you mean Carew & Heskey.
Heskey i'll grant you have a point but Carew??
Why does our best goals to games striker constantly get such a hard time with alot on here when nobody has scored more goals then him while he has been at the club. ?
"wouldn't recognise the goal if it had signposts next to it"... My arse !
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Just had a look on an everton forum and I am shocked, they sound like we did about Martin.
This is a what one poster put!
" Sorry but Hibbert, Cahill, Distin and maybe Felli need benching. Coleman is a must to start, Cahill hasnt had a good game for months and besides the odd headed goal offers absolutely nothing else to the side. Distin just plays hoof ball and panics as soon as he has the ball. Moyes just doesnt seem to want to drop any of his favourites or change the old , boring and now way too predictable 4-5-1 formation, no matter how bad they play or how wrong the tactics are!
We must be the most predictable and one dimensional team in the premier league and maybe our luck has run out. Time to change things Mr Moyes!"
Sound familiar?
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Just had a look on an everton forum and I am shocked, they sound like we did about Martin.
This is a what one poster put!
" Sorry but Hibbert, Cahill, Distin and maybe Felli need benching. Coleman is a must to start, Cahill hasnt had a good game for months and besides the odd headed goal offers absolutely nothing else to the side. Distin just plays hoof ball and panics as soon as he has the ball. Moyes just doesnt seem to want to drop any of his favourites or change the old , boring and now way too predictable 4-5-1 formation, no matter how bad they play or how wrong the tactics are!
We must be the most predictable and one dimensional team in the premier league and maybe our luck has run out. Time to change things Mr Moyes!"
Sound familiar?
MON to Everton
Moyes to Villa
What are the current odds.
Seems to to have some inevitability about it.
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No way MON would go to Everton.
No money for transfers and the board won't sanction his desire for over the top wages on average players.
Celtic awaits (When Lennon fucks up)
A nice gig for him, try to be the best in a 2 horse race.
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20/1 MON to Everton.
Worth a punt.
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20/1 MON to Everton.
Worth a punt.
Worth a punt on the ******?
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Very good.
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MON will resurface at Sunderland or Stoke when spud face or Pulis gets the sack.
Two clubs willing to overpay in transfer fees and wages to try and establish themselves in the higher reaches of the league.
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Maybe he'll go to Fulham if Hughes fucks up.
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Maybe he'll go to Fulham if Hughes fucks up.
Strangley enough, Hughes is still 3/1 favourite with William Hill.
Betting has indeed been suspended on Moyes with Ladbrokes.
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if Hughes fucks up.
Or ends up at Villa Park
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Stanley Victor seems to think it's happening.
CallCollymore: Evertonians,hows your bum at the moment? Squeaking???? I told you 2 weeks ago DM was a possibility....
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Stanley Victor seems to think it's happening.
CallCollymore: Evertonians,hows your bum at the moment? Squeaking???? I told you 2 weeks ago DM was a possibility....
Stan the man lol
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MON will resurface at Sunderland or Stoke when spud face or Pulis gets the sack.
Two clubs willing to overpay in transfer fees and wages to try and establish themselves in the higher reaches of the league.
And already playing his brand of football...
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I could cope with Moyes, especially if he brings Rodwell and (maybe) Pinnaer.
I would not be overwhelmed though - I would worry that he has needed a goal scorer at Blue-Scouse for years and failed to find one (apart from Rooney who 'did one' pdq).
I would also hope for more than 'done brilliant with limited resources' even if it proves to be the brief.
Maybe a risk though actually I see appointing from within a lower risk than a new man who turns it all on its head - I think we should keep it in-house. Is it better to know what you have inside out or know a bit more about everyone else and little of the organisation you manage?
We should appoint Kevin Mac and stick with him and then after more than a decade of winning everything he seamlessly passes the baton to Sir Sid Cowans and even more success follows. I dare to dream ...
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Moyes would be a great appointment and would also be a good statement of intent as well.
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On Ladbrokes now... Can anyone explain why the Moyes option is now suspended?
05 Sep. 23:59 Next permanent Aston Villa manager David Moyes Susp.
Kevin MacDonald 4/1
Sven Goran Eriksson 5/1
Mark Hughes 6/1
Gerard Houllier 9/1
Gareth Southgate 12/1
Bob Bradley 12/1
Martin Jol 14/1
It means big money is being put on Moyes that has spooked them or they have inside info.
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Look at this way,
Who has been more successful in the transfer Market over the last 4 years, Moyes or Martin?
Now who has spent more?
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colymore on Talk shite debating Moyes to Villa now
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On Ladbrokes now... Can anyone explain why the Moyes option is now suspended?
05 Sep. 23:59 Next permanent Aston Villa manager David Moyes Susp.
Kevin MacDonald 4/1
Sven Goran Eriksson 5/1
Mark Hughes 6/1
Gerard Houllier 9/1
Gareth Southgate 12/1
Bob Bradley 12/1
Martin Jol 14/1
I have to say I find that a slightly underwhelming list. Even if you add Moyes to it, there's no-one there who gets the pulses racing. They're all at least one rung below the calibre I was hoping for. Still, no-one's been appointed yet so there's always hope.
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colymore on Talk shite debating Moyes to Villa now
I enjoy listening to Collymore, always gives his own opinion, not the shit they tell him to say.
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Where has this Moyes rumour suddenly come from?
I think he is a great manager and will initially bring some great ideas to villa - primarily because he plays a 4-5-1 formation which I think would suit villa - however I think Everton's spending will be pretty much the same as villa's from here-on-in. And by that I think Moyes has generally made one big signing each summer (yakubu, felanni, johnson, Billy (the russian fella)).
Do we think he knows of a few more Arteta's or has he used up his bargains at Everton?
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this is very interesting...... apparantly betting has "snowballed" since yesterday and moyes has dropped from 33/1 - 4/1
i know the bookies doing this isnt gospel but they are correct most of the time
but speaking with you heads, would you think that joing villa is a big enough step up from everton to move ?
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SSN just reported the Moyes romour. That means little as they are saying no more than odds have drastically dropped but its a rumour I like.
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colymore on Talk shite debating Moyes to Villa now
I enjoy listening to Collymore, always gives his own opinion, not the shit they tell him to say.
That's the problem, he loves the sound of his own voice and he's bit of an idoit but thinks he more intelligent than he actually is. At least he's on our side, unlike that miserable twat Houghton.
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Moyes is OK, but I can't see why he would move from Everton to us.
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Me shoving a tenner on Moyes earlier at 50-1 has probably caused all the fuss..........
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I don't want Moyes. His team yesterday were a filthy lot. Very subtle about it but filthy all the same. The ref fell for everything and they won far too many free kicks for aboslutely nothing.
While we were under siege for much of the game, their only real threat came from Arteta's brilliant dead balls. In my view Moyes is only one level up from MON and we can do much better.
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however I think Everton's spending will be pretty much the same as villa's from here-on-in.
I expect Villa to carry on significantly outspending Everton net because our turnover is continuing to rise significantly. The issue at Villa were the ever spiralling wage bill and MON's gung-ho approach to dishing out wages.
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Spurs have a bid in for Pienar.
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And Zarate apparently, so I guess they've given up on Magic Ashley.
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Moyes is OK, but I can't see why he would move from Everton to us.
Bigger club, better squad, more money, better facilities and a bigger stadium. Larger catchment area and the biggest club in the region as opposed to the 4th biggest in theirs.
It might not be a big enough step up to warrant the move, but he aint gonna get a bigger offer than Villa any time soon. Why risk his stock falling by staying at Everton even longer?
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Moyes is OK, but I can't see why he would move from Everton to us.
Bigger club, better squad, more money, better facilities and a bigger stadium. Larger catchment area and the biggest club in the region as opposed to the 4th biggest in theirs.
It might not be a big enough step up to warrant the move, but he aint gonna get a bigger offer than Villa any time soon. Why risk his stock falling by staying at Everton even longer?
bigger pay cheque too!
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Moyes is OK, but I can't see why he would move from Everton to us.
Bigger club, better squad, more money, better facilities and a bigger stadium. Larger catchment area and the biggest club in the region as opposed to the 4th biggest in theirs.
It might not be a big enough step up to warrant the move, but he aint gonna get a bigger offer than Villa any time soon. Why risk his stock falling by staying at Everton even longer?
better squad is very debatable... I'd take their midfield over ours (I am clashing Ash as a forward... :) )
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I think they've a better team but our squad depth is better.
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Me shoving a tenner on Moyes earlier at 50-1 has probably caused all the fuss..........
I saw those odds a few days ago and thought they were ridiculously long. Ah well.
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I would love it if we got motes,then he can bring Cahill and felliani with him
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If Everton accept bids for Pienaar and Rodwell I can see Moyes walking.
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If Everton accept bids for Pienaar and Rodwell I can see Moyes walking.
I don't think he'd walk if Peinaar was sold because he's out of contract next year anyway i think, but with Rodwell, you may be right,
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He would fill MON's vacuum. If he does come I would imagine he would have been promised a transfer kitty of somekind even if he can't spend it yet!
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I know its just internet chat, but two comments, from two different posters from Toffeeweb:-
"Just got an email from a mate who works for a sports agency, there is some truth in this".
"Ok, just to start i hope this is all rubbish, but i heard it and the bookies are closeing ranks so im going to pass it on. I dont know how true it is - so take it as usual forum rubbish.
Right i was in work today and got a call from a mate of mine who is closely related to an Irish player playing in the prem (same lad has told me stuff about bits and bobs in the past and been right), he told me the player in question had called him and told him to put whatever he could on David Moyes being the next Aston Villa manager - i thought he was the wind up as hes a red like most of the family.
Anyway i checked the odds as i was at a computer in work at about 12:00 and they were 8-1 with P Power. I thought nothing of it, after leaving work i met him and he showed me his betting slip where he had put a few hundread on Moyes, i checked the odds again on P Power and Moyes had massively closed in at 7/4.
See here: http://www.paddypower.com/football/f...grp_ids=348942
Driving home i stoped in on Boylesports over here out of intrest and they had closed the book on it.
Like i say i hope all of this is rubbish - it could well be, it probably is, but im just passing on what i heard. Hopefully its a case of a bad rumour that caght fire and nervy bookies".
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Would love this to be truebut cant quite see it
Wonder if the bookies or punters have jumped on tv pictures yesterday showing Moyes & Randy saying hello and shaking hands by the dressing rooms
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If we swooped for moyes it would be a huge coup and a great statement of our ambition- many reckon he will be man utds next boss but I would be hugely impressed if we got moyes!
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Moyes must've been overwhelmed by how we totally outplayed Everton on Sunday that he just had to join...oh, wait...
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Didn't Moyes sign Phil Neville and Tony Hibbert? Surely more than a match for some of MON's signings, and then some!
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Can't say I would be thrilled if it was Moyes he was one of the reasons my mate gave up his season ticket.
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Moyes is now 5/4 on paddy power
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I could see why Randy would be interested in Moyes.
The mix of their squad has that mix of youth players (Hibbert / Osman / Rodwell / Coleman), solid UK signings (Jaglielka / Baines / Lescott-ish) and a few foreign "gambles" (Fellani / Billy the russian fella). He seems to have an eye for the future too, signing players with potential rather than old plodders.
Basically an excellent template that villa could follow if we cannot buy our way to the top four.
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All these Moyes rumours will just leave me even more annoyed when we appoint Sven.
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'Taint Moyes.
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Is it Paul Lambert then?
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Dave,
You appear to know something. Whilst I imagine you're bound to secrecy could you divulge how many we're interviewing as the post above suggests just one (to me).
Good chap...
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Dave,
You appear to know something. Whilst I imagine you're bound to secrecy could you divulge how many we're interviewing as the post above suggests just one (to me).
Good chap...
I haven't got a clue who's in the frame, but I've been told a few who aren't. Moyes is one of them.
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Listening to TS,sounds like the club had lengthy chats with Koemans people. Graham Hunter who comes across as a good journo talked him up a bit,seems he's out of it now though.
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Maybe that was the case dave as moyes made known he wasn't interested but maybe he's now decided that he is interested?
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As much as i'd love Moyes to be our next manager,im just thinking that its the same bookies book that stopped taking bets on Bradley the other week.
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yea but bradley was only about 6/1 when the odds started tumbling..... moyes has gone from 30/1 down to suspended and 4/5 on most sites withing 12 hours.......
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He was still 50-1 mid afternoon, I know as I wacked a tenner on him. Probably will turn out to be nothing, 500 quid coming my way if there is something to it though.
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Dave,
You appear to know something. Whilst I imagine you're bound to secrecy could you divulge how many we're interviewing as the post above suggests just one (to me).
Good chap...
I haven't got a clue who's in the frame, but I've been told a few who aren't. Moyes is one of them.
Is Brown out of the frame Dave ?
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Dave,
You appear to know something. Whilst I imagine you're bound to secrecy could you divulge how many we're interviewing as the post above suggests just one (to me).
Good chap...
I haven't got a clue who's in the frame, but I've been told a few who aren't. Moyes is one of them.
Is Brown out of the frame Dave ?
Don't know. All I know is the names of about four who I've been told aren't viable options.
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Can you tell us who the other three are, Dave?
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Hughes, Bradley and Klinsman im betting
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Hughes, Bradley and Klinsman im betting
But don't two of those three not meet the 'managed in the Prem' stipulation?
My £10 on Hughes at 14/1 is still a runner!
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MOyes publicly stated he wasn't interested but maybe something has changed his mind since then? I'm sure if he has expressed an interest in the last day or so then he would surely get the job.
The key question dave is were you told today moyes isn't an option or before today?
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Hughes, Bradley and Klinsman im betting
But don't two of those three not meet the 'managed in the Prem' stipulation?
My £10 on Hughes at 14/1 is still a runner!
Sorry didn't make myself clear. I meant these three as possible names mentioned to dave as not being pursued to go along with Moyes.
I personally want Moyes and purely now as I rather speculatively waged a tenner this afternoon at 50-1
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Always go for thepoint of minimum resistance - Sven is the "easiest" choice.
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MOyes publicly stated he wasn't interested but maybe something has changed his mind since then? I'm sure if he has expressed an interest in the last day or so then he would surely get the job.
The key question dave is were you told today moyes isn't an option or before today?
I suspect he is not in the frame though of course no-one knows for sure. He strikes me as a highly principled manager, or at least as much as that is ever the case in football, and I don't think he'd walk out on Everton at this stage of the season, particularly as I think he has said he is not interested in leaving
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Rumours on everton forum that moyes has had a bust up with kenwright over proposed sale of rodwell to man utd- maybe more to this than we think!
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Rumours on everton forum that moyes has had a bust up with kenwright over proposed sale of rodwell to man utd- maybe more to this than we think!
Even if this is the case, after the whole Milner thing, why would he come to us?
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Because we are still a very attractive option and he's not going to get a better offer at the moment if he does leave everton.
The top 5 all have decent managers and villa have a vacancy, maybe after 8 yrs he fancies a new challenge and if rodwell goes it may be moyes sees lack of ambition ?
Who knows , but money is pouring in on him so maybe it could happen.
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The poll options need to be revised.
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Mirror website now reporting moyes tipped for shock move to villa .
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Would really like moyes. However is there not a rule that stops managers within the premier league moving clubs within a season? Or have I made that up?
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Mirror website now reporting moyes tipped for shock move to villa .
It's bound to be a load of crap if The Mirror are reporting it.
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I doubt it will be Moyes now, maybe next summer if Everton haven't finished in the top 6 he might
decide he needs a fresh challenge.
Basically I took the statement today as hurry up and resign from Ajax Martin and until then Mac will
remain in charge which I'm cool with.
Can anyone really see Randy asking Mac to stand down and then appointing Southgate or
Curbishley?! What a waste of time that would be.
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I really don't understand how MON got us into such a bad state.
Davies, Beye, Shorey, LYoung, Gardner, Reo-Coker, Sidwell, Heskey, Harewood were at one one point all on the wage bill earning around £16million a year and rarely playing.
That's without taking into account the £35million he shelled out.
When that lot have been shipped out we'll be lucky to have recouped half of it.
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Moyes evens on Paddy Power with Sven at 9/2. Still can't see it being Moyes.
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please.dont.let.it.be.sven.
please.dont.let.it.be.sven.
please.dont.let.it.be.sven
and I'll keep up this mantra until t comes to pass that we don't appoint the Swedish lothario.....
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http://tinyurl.com/3xmm2av
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nearly all betting sites have moyes favourite and quite a few news sites saying the same, there must be something in it surely, got to be some whispers in the football world going around for this to break so suddenly
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Can't see Moyes coming but then couldn't see Big Ron coming back in '92...then he did!
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please.dont.let.it.be.sven.
I don't share your horror at the prospect of Sven, but I do think that whoever it is it will be the most divisive appointment in a very long time.
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http://tinyurl.com/3xmm2av
That was on the 11th of August and he doesn't actually rule himself out, merely states he is happy at everton. Not saying he will come, just that the 'denial' was hardly emphatic.
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http://tinyurl.com/3xmm2av
yea on 11th august
i seem to remember hodgson rulling him self outa the liverpool job when on bbc for world cup and 2 weeks later he was their new manager......
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Moyes is now EVENS on Paddy Power
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I was listening to Stan on TS the Monday night MON left and he said that Moyes had sent a message in (tweeted) or something like that whatever that is. It said how he would never want the Villa job. Whether it actually was Moyes or not I don't know, did anyone hear that?
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ooo exciting stuff
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I was listening to Stan on TS the Monday night MON left and he said that Moyes had sent a message in (tweeted) or something like that whatever that is. It said how he would never want the Villa job. Whether it actually was Moyes or not I don't know, did anyone hear that?
Yeah it was proven to be a fake twitter account.
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Would really like moyes. However is there not a rule that stops managers within the premier league moving clubs within a season? Or have I made that up?
No that's a rule in Spain! Not here.
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Maybe rodwells rumoured sale to man u has made up moyes mind- he looked quite happy when shown on sky warmly greeting randy yesterday -I like moyes , only worry I'd have is many think he will follow sir alex at man utd and I would hope we are not a stepping stone.
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he has been everton manager for 8 years and done sod all, he needs a new challenge :)
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Kamara on Sky tonight mentioned that Megson was in the frame along with Curbishley and others. I screamed obscenities at the TV resulting in a telling off from Mrs Jembob.
Still think that Moyes isn't what we need. I would like to see somebody with European experience who can produce an exciting style of football. Moyes could do well but you know it will be functional and rather predictable. The comments from the Everton fans earlier on this thread also make me think that Moyes would only be a slight upgrade on MON.
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I want Moyes.
Maybe the names have changed since Dave got his info ?
You never know in this game.
What do we offer Moyes ?
2 key things:-
> Money to spend.
> A fresh challenge.
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fergesun will still be man u manager when he is shitting himself and needs a nurse to wipe his arse... he aint leaving man u for a good few years
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Can mods please put an immediate ban on the following words:
Megson
Curbishley
Southgate
Allardyce
Bradley
...as some of us want to get some sleep tonight. Thank you.
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Kamara on Sky tonight mentioned that Megson was in the frame along with Curbishley and others. I screamed obscenities at the TV resulting in a telling off from Mrs Jembob.
Still think that Moyes isn't what we need. I would like to see somebody with European experience who can produce an exciting style of football. Moyes could do well but you know it will be functional and rather predictable. The comments from the Everton fans earlier on this thread also make me think that Moyes would only be a slight upgrade on MON.
agreed, not a step up i don't think, but if it happens. Gotta back him
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Bit harsh on moyes pmk saying he's done sod all - done a better job than mon and spent probably less than half what mon did.
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http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager
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Gary Megson, that's hilarious. Mind if enough people repeat it um sure his odds will come down...
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Bit harsh on moyes pmk saying he's done sod all - done a better job than mon and spent probably less than half what mon did.
not been harsh i would love him down here, i think he is the one to take us to next level, he just not had the tools to get him there with everton. at villa i think he will have the players and the tools and also the sence to drop fucking petrov :)
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I don't even want Moyes that much based on managerial ability, more because it'd show the rest of the country we're still an attractive proposition.
I don't really think he'd get us into the top 4. And I don't like this style of football.
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hrmmmm moyes not suspended now on ladbrookes
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http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/30/calm-down-about-moyes-avfc/
This!
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hrmmmm moyes not suspended now on ladbrookes
And on Paddy Power.
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i mean 2 hours ago moyes was suspended on ladbrookes and now is 3/1
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Bit harsh on moyes pmk saying he's done sod all - done a better job than mon and spent probably less than half what mon did.
Yet the Everton fans have just as many complaints about Moyes regarding formation, tactics, substitutions and personnel as we did about O'Neill.
I wouldn't complain about seeing Moyes come in. But he's not really an upgrade on what we have seen for the last few years.
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Handshake and statement were yesterday and wouldn't explain why the betting odds have plummeted tonight.
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Whoever it is going to be lets hope he doesn't hang around with transfers. He needs to be in for the morning and signing players ( its never going to happen )
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Bit harsh on moyes pmk saying he's done sod all - done a better job than mon and spent probably less than half what mon did.
Yet the Everton fans have just as many complaints about Moyes regarding formation, tactics, substitutions and personnel as we did about O'Neill.
I wouldn't complain about seeing Moyes come in. But he's not really an upgrade on what we have seen for the last few years.
I disagree.
He's worked on a very small budget at Everton and, although not won anything, provided an entertaining team with excellent technical ability and, wait for it, foreign players to boot.
I would take Moyes over O'Neill per se, let alone the others in the betting.
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Bit harsh on moyes pmk saying he's done sod all - done a better job than mon and spent probably less than half what mon did.
Yet the Everton fans have just as many complaints about Moyes regarding formation, tactics, substitutions and personnel as we did about O'Neill.
I wouldn't complain about seeing Moyes come in. But he's not really an upgrade on what we have seen for the last few years.
I disagree.
He's worked on a very small budget at Everton and, although not won anything, provided an entertaining team with excellent technical ability and, wait for it, foreign players to boot.
I would take Moyes over O'Neill per se, let alone the others in the betting.
Which bit are you disagreeing with? Even a cursory look at their message boards show numerous threads about his insistence on playing 4-5-1, not dropping players who are out of form, always playing his favourites, making the wrong substitutions at the wrong time and spending too much of his limited budget on players in the wrong positions.
And his small budget is a bit of a myth. They paid £15m for Fellaini, £11m for Yakubu, £8.5m for Johnson, £9m for Bilyaletdinov.
It's just that his gems (Pienaar/Arteta/Cahill) are so good for the small amount of money paid that it's easier to forget the big fees that have been paid elsewhere.
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5Live have just said that there has been no contact about David Moyes "nor is there likely to be". Seriously, I would be extremely surprised if David Moyes came to the Villa.
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I don't rate David Moyes and hope it stay as a rumour.
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Has anyone seen or heard of anyone of the candidates at Villa Park today?
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I saw Sven buying a cream horn in Tesco's sutton today!
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Bit harsh on moyes pmk saying he's done sod all - done a better job than mon and spent probably less than half what mon did.
Yet the Everton fans have just as many complaints about Moyes regarding formation, tactics, substitutions and personnel as we did about O'Neill.
I wouldn't complain about seeing Moyes come in. But he's not really an upgrade on what we have seen for the last few years.
I disagree.
He's worked on a very small budget at Everton and, although not won anything, provided an entertaining team with excellent technical ability and, wait for it, foreign players to boot.
I would take Moyes over O'Neill per se, let alone the others in the betting.
Which bit are you disagreeing with? Even a cursory look at their message boards show numerous threads about his insistence on playing 4-5-1, not dropping players who are out of form, always playing his favourites, making the wrong substitutions at the wrong time and spending too much of his limited budget on players in the wrong positions.
And his small budget is a bit of a myth. They paid £15m for Fellaini, £11m for Yakubu, £8.5m for Johnson, £9m for Bilyaletdinov.
It's just that his gems (Pienaar/Arteta/Cahill) are so good for the small amount of money paid that it's easier to forget the big fees that have been paid elsewhere.
When people talk of his budget, they mean his net budget, he has brought in around 55 million with the sales of Rooney and Lescott.
I'm sure I read a stat that his net spend at everton over 8 years was less than Martins over 3 years.
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When people talk of his budget, they mean his net budget, he has brought in around 55 million with the sales of Rooney and Lescott.
I'm sure I read a stat that his net spend at everton over 8 years was less than Martins over 3 years.
Which is great, but is still meaningless. The fact that Everton's youth team had the best young player in the country ready to be sold and that Man City are mental doesn't make Moyes any better or worse at transfers.
In the same way the fact that we just received the equivalent of £26m for Milner doesn't make O'Neill any better or worse at transfers - it just means that Man City don't operate on the same planet to the rest of us.
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I saw Sven buying a cream horn in Tesco's sutton today!
He's got a shit diet then as I saw him buying sausage rolls from Greggs in Solihull yesterday.
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I don't even want Moyes that much based on managerial ability, more because it'd show the rest of the country we're still an attractive proposition.
I don't really think he'd get us into the top 4. And I don't like this style of football.
I agree on Moyes' flaws. He's good but not that good.
I don't think it's a goer anyway.
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went to have a look on some Everton forums, most seem to think it is balls, some think there could be something in it. What was far more surprising was someone posting that Warnock for Baines and 2mil was a done deal tomorrow!?
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I logged in before going to bed and after reading all these posts about Moyes I probably won't sleep.
Moyes to villa would be sensational.
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I logged in before going to bed and after reading all these posts about Moyes I probably won't sleep.
Moyes to villa would be sensational.
It isn't going to happen. Sweet dreams.
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I saw Sven buying a cream horn in Tesco's sutton today!
I saw Sven buying a cream horn in Tesco's sutton today!
He's got a shit diet then as I saw him buying sausage rolls from Greggs in Solihull yesterday.
Should've known i'd get a sarky reply or two, should know better by now
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I logged in before going to bed and after reading all these posts about Moyes I probably won't sleep.
Moyes to villa would be sensational.
It isn't going to happen. Sweet dreams.
Posted that before I read your earlier comment....
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Saw Rob Key in Pizza Express Brindley Place tonight.
Draw your own conclusions...
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he s playing at edgbaston in morning would not mind ranreiri
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he s playing at edgbaston in morning would not mind ranreiri
Me too. Good aggressive right hand bat with a good arm in the outfield and a nifty part-time offspin. Think he's happy at Roma though.
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I think moyes would be a great coup, but I can't see it. He's already said publicly he's not interested for one. After the statements recently, I'm really left feeling utterly confused as to who the frontrunners are, given that jol has said no too. I'd hazard a guess at Juergen but I really haven't a clue!
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Bradley's extended his contract with the USA, so is out of the frame. Phew!
link (http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/6349669/Bradley-deal-ends-Villa-speculation)
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If i had masses of money, i would lay Moyes being our next manager till the cows come home.
I could only see him being interested if we offered him a ludicrous wage.
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I am off to the Villa Facebook page. As soon as a new name is mentioned, it is the personal favourite of most of them.
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Bob Bradley has signed a four year extension with US Soccer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8955558.stm
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Sean custis just said on sky he thinks moyes may now fancy the villa job after all- I don't think whoever gets it will get us into the top 4 - to achieve that would need huge investmest- top 6 much more realistic aim.
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The Independent headline indicates that KMcD has a chance, following 'the statement' then goes on to say why he won't get the job.
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I'd be surprised if we poached a manager from another PL team. Doesn't seem Randy's style, after he complained about Man City's ungentlemanly conduct. I find it hard to believe any PL club will willingly let a manager go at this stage of the season.
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Sean custis just said on sky he thinks moyes may now fancy the villa job after all- I don't think whoever gets it will get us into the top 4 - to achieve that would need huge investmest- top 6 much more realistic aim.
To be honest I'd take a season of changing our style to something more convincing and exciting plus blooding some more youngsters and laying the foundations to a new era under whoever gets the job.
Anything else would be a substantial bonus.
I dont think it will be Moyes and I'm not even sure I like him but personality aside, he'd thrive under Lerner I think.
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My thoughts to the letter...first paragraph and second.
He's been at Everton for some time now and, given their ups and downs, you'd have to conclude that he has the ability to get on with his boss.
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apparantly it is down to hughes or moyes, a few peeps have said that to me this morning....
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And those 'peeps' are...?
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I'd be surprised if we poached a manager from another PL team. Doesn't seem Randy's style, after he complained about Man City's ungentlemanly conduct. I find it hard to believe any PL club will willingly let a manager go at this stage of the season.
I think Randy would approach another club about their manager and if he was told no that would be that whereas City would just keep bullying. That's the difference.
When you want to buy a player unless they are out of contract you are approaching a club about one of their staff so a manager shouldn't really be too much different, ethically.
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Sean custis just said on sky he thinks moyes may now fancy the villa job after all- I don't think whoever gets it will get us into the top 4 - to achieve that would need huge investmest- top 6 much more realistic aim.
So even before we know who the manager is, there are people who are predicting he won't succeed already, Jesus wept!
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That's a very optimistic prediction for East19!
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I logged in before going to bed and after reading all these posts about Moyes I probably won't sleep.
Moyes to villa would be sensational.
It isn't going to happen. Sweet dreams.
is this the same as The General isnt the real General, when he first came on the site,
and Away fans will never be put into the DE stand ?
[tongue in cheek thingy]
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'IF' we were chasing managers at other PL clubs, I would rather we went for Redknap than Moyes...(I know, I know....I'll wash my mouth out.....but I think he would be a massive step up on Moyes).
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'IF' we were chasing managers at other PL clubs, I would rather we went for Redknap than Moyes...(I know, I know....I'll wash my mouth out.....but I think he would be a massive step up on Moyes).
Even less chance of gettin redknapp than moyes
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On the way into work Talksport were saying it's Kevin's if he wants it. I think the truth is none of these media outlets have any idea who's going to get it, so they're just guessing like the rest of us and trying to dress it up as insider knowledge.
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'IF' we were chasing managers at other PL clubs, I would rather we went for Redknap than Moyes...(I know, I know....I'll wash my mouth out.....but I think he would be a massive step up on Moyes).
To coin a phrase: You can get a man out of London but you can't ... whatever.
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I logged in before going to bed and after reading all these posts about Moyes I probably won't sleep.
Moyes to villa would be sensational.
It isn't going to happen. Sweet dreams.
is this the same as The General isnt the real General, when he first came on the site,
and Away fans will never be put into the DE stand ?
[tongue in cheek thingy]
No, it's the same as a statement that we got almost word for word two days before everyone else.
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i fully accept that dave , but what if moyes had changed his mind and made villa aware of his interest yesterday? if that happened im sure we would look at him favourably- we know he didnt want the job , but what if he now does due to everton selling rodwell?
not saying its true but if?
saying a new manager wont get us to 4th is realistic with the players at his disposal , 6th is realistic , not being depressing saying that , but we must give substantial investmest to any manager coming in if we wish to achieve 4th place.
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'IF' we were chasing managers at other PL clubs, I would rather we went for Redknap than Moyes...(I know, I know....I'll wash my mouth out.....but I think he would be a massive step up on Moyes).
You can't really believe that can you - surely?
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Apologies if this has already been posted, but according to the BBC website Bob Bradley has extended his contract with the USA for 4 years.
Bullet dodged.
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K- Mac now says he wants the job full time.
http://football365.com/story/0,17033,14018_6349863,00.html
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k mac nowhere near good enough judging from what ive seen in last 5 games
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K- Mac now says he wants the job full time.
http://football365.com/story/0,17033,14018_6349863,00.html
According to the Guardian, "likely to mean he gets it".
The only plus point to that would be possible transfers in - he's said he's recommended some players to the board already.
Could we not get Dalglish from Liverpool to help him out a bit. Did they ever play together?
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It's strange as I would have thought that if they didn't fancy him they'd be polite enough to have a quiet word and encourage him to not throw his hat in the ring. That way he could save face and move back to being a coach without any embarassment?
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Apologies if this has already been posted, but according to the BBC website Bob Bradley has extended his contract with the USA for 4 years.
Bullet dodged.
That's if you believe the gun was fired in the first place.
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Could we not get Dalglish from Liverpool to help him out a bit. Did they ever play together?
Is this the same Dalglish that wanted to take MON to Liverpool? No thanks.
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Kevin MacDonald has put his name forward for the job.
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http://ffd.me/cWOCN4
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TalkSport 'understands' MacDonald will get the job.
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I would be disappointed if kev got the job, if he is going to get it then please let him sign someone
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Apologies if this has already been posted, but according to the BBC website Bob Bradley has extended his contract with the USA for 4 years.
Bullet dodged.
That's if you believe the gun was fired in the first place.
My own working theory is that he was one of the people being considered by Randy. Now that we're coming to the end of the process and he's not in the frame, he's signing on again with the USA.
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Not K Mac please. He has not shown enough in the 5 matches in charge to be given the job.
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Apparently.. "Ladbrokes have suspended betting on Moyes being the next Villa manager. His odds have went from 50/1 this morning to 4/1 - suspended this afternoon. Paddy Power confirmed on the radio they also had slashed major odds on him and would be suspending betting on him at 7/4"
Like I said, apparently.
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Kev Mac is a nice guy but not big enough for the job, I heard him say the other day he faces a battle to keep the better players, not what I want to hear at all.
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I think the Statement has ruled out Kev already DESPITE what you hear in the media. "Proven Premiership experience" effectively rules out Klinsmann, Bilic but includes Southgate unfortunatley but he is too raw. Think it will be Moyes.
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if macdonald becomes the manager after we have wasted our transfer window looking for someone, then i wont be impressed...
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Nothing wrong with Mac wanting an interview. Newcastle aside he hasn't done too badly. I don't want him to get it, don't think he will but he deserves an interview.
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The Times seem certain that Mark Hughes is our first choice.
If so, The MON apologists wil have a field day as they predicted that could happen.
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If we get Moyes I take back anything negative i said about the board not acting decisively enough.
If Kev Mac gets it I'll be very worried about the future of the club.
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you would have thought if Randy had made up his mind not to go for KM, he would have had a word with him before letting him put himself forward, and save a bit of embarressment for the fella.
because he didnt i would think that KM is very much still in the frame
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Oh please god, no. I can't stand Hughes.
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The Times seem certain that Mark Hughes is our first choice.
The Times thinks it's Hughes. Betting has been suspended by some bookmakers on Moyes. Talksport says K-Mac.
Let's be honest, none of them have a clue, do they?
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Oh please god, no. I can't stand Hughes.
The Times say that Randy has singled him out as first choice
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I imagine KM has been a fall back position if things don't go their way but he is out of his comfort zone.
Lets face it we were very lucky to get both points against Everton and with bad luck could have lost all.
He may see it as his one opportunity to manage a top team but you cannot give a top prem team over to a totally inexperienced would be manager.Stick to what you do best Kev.
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Oh please god, no. I can't stand Hughes.
The Times say that Randy has singled him out as first choice
I think they're right and I can't stand him either. Randy just doesn't want a manager with less grey hair than he has.
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The Mirror says it's Moyes all the way. You can't trust one bit of gossip over the other just because it comes from a more 'reputable' source.
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We would all have our preference but if it is Hughes then there would be a consensus amongst those that they looked to for advice that he would be the best fit.
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Moyes I could deal with if he brings Arteta and that hateful little ******, Cahill, with him.
Hughes can fuck right off.
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Gollum or Hughes? Gollum please. For once, I hope the Mirror is right.
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Moyes I could deal with if he brings Arteta and that hateful little c***, Cahill, with him.
Hughes can fuck right off.
He can bring Rodwell. Cahill can go fuck himself.
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Nothing wrong with Mac wanting an interview. Newcastle aside he hasn't done too badly. I don't want him to get it, don't think he will but he deserves an interview.
He hasn't done well at all in my opinion. Good against a poor West Ham where Milner ran the show. Shocking selection against Newcastle and humiliation - poor selection and tactics against Rapid and extremely fortunate that Ireland was injured prior to Everton, as without Reo-Coker pluggin the holes in midfield it is likely we'd have got beaten again.
Given the investment Lerner has already committed, there is no way he will allow it to unravel or the club lurch backwards by taking a gamble on an inexperienced manager. He wants to maintain the upwards momentum which means a safe and ambitious pair of hands.
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My Everton supporting mate's view on it.
I’d be amazed if he went there, for all the reasons you state. Plus the fact he’s persuaded Arteta and Rodwell to sign new deals, just don’t see him leaving. Would have to have had a major fallout with Kenwright, although to be fair the rumours are that Rodwell is going to Man U and Pienaar to Spurs. Don’t believe either of them would be sold behind his back though. Didn’t happen with Lescott or Rooney.
The major thing seems to be the shortening of the odds. And Collymore put on his twitter that Villa are after Moyes. But considering he hosts a show on talksport I wouldn’t take any notice of him.
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If Kev Mac does get the job then I will be a little angered by the way he has chosen to go about things. He’s had more than enough time now to decide whether or not he wanted the position on a permanent basis or not, and the fact that he knew the transfer deadline was fast approaching should have mean that he decided sooner in the interest of the club.
However, if he does get the job, which now would not surprise me, I will show him my full support and get behind him as much as I can. So good luck Kev Mac. Become a legend!
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If K-Mac has to go back to the reserves (and he's done a fantastic job there), I just hope he isn't demotivated by not landing the top job. We've had enough of long faces around the Villa.
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If Kmac gets the job then we must be ready for stagnation and Heskey..
.. id take southgate over him.
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No offence to Kevin Mac but I really hope he doesn't get it. He deserves to keep his job managing the reserves but I'm not sure he's cut out to manage the firsts.
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I'd be deeply dissappointed if kmac got the job - let's show ambition and get an experienced manager not a reserve coach whose team have been outplayed embarrassingly in the last 4 games!
If not moyes then give jurgen or Sven.
I'd take southgate or curbs over kmac anyday!
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MON was a bit precious. Do we need another one?
Fucking scary looking. Might shit Downing up a little.
(http://fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/gollum.jpg) (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/4/27/1272361293450/David-Moyes-006.jpg)
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Betfair odds -
KMac - 2.5
Sven - 5
Moyes - 14
Hughes - 23
So for those thinking it might be Moyes or hughes, might be worth putting a few quid on it.
Also, Moyes at 8 on PPower. All this talk of bookies suspending betting seems to be a bit of the mark.
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It's pretty fair to say that nobody knows anything except that K Mac has applied. However I think we can make a few assumptions: firstly, it won't be Moyes, that's just madness; secondly, it won't be K Mac unless there really is no candidate who impresses; finally, it won't be Hughes, how would we do that, just casually spend about £6-8m on a manager who's just signed a contract with a new club? Hardly our style.
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www.twitter.com/villa_insider
Worth a read.
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Agree with what most have said about K Mac, for me he has shown tactical naivety and poor team selection and throw in that he hasn’t really shown any passion and get up and go that he wants the job should see him ruled out of it. The lack of passion for it makes me think that he has been told by Lerner to create a smokescreen for the club whilst they go about there business of finding and hiring the ‘right’ man for the job.
Still wouldn’t mind Sven for a season to steady the ship while we wait for Martin Jol to finish the season with Ajax.
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I share all the doubts expressed on here about KMacD and am surprised that he's applied after his experiences over the last 5 games. Now that he has applied, I hope that Randy will give him the courtesy of an interview and then politely tell him that he'd prefer him to continue his excellent work with the reserves.
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if that villa_insider is true, he could get the sack if caught so i doubt it is legit
If someone from the villa seen them tweets they would be able to find out who it is.....
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If it is Sven I'd rather a 3 yr deal than one year - give him a fair crack at it rather a stop gap role.
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It's pretty fair to say that nobody knows anything except that K Mac has applied. However I think we can make a few assumptions: firstly, it won't be Moyes, that's just madness; secondly, it won't be K Mac unless there really is no candidate who impresses; finally, it won't be Hughes, how would we do that, just casually spend about £6-8m on a manager who's just signed a contract with a new club? Hardly our style.
Agree with that, Monty. There's not a great deal left out there and I'm getting a horrible feeling we could end up with Sven.
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what is wrong with sven ? he got ivory coast playing resonably well, he done pants with engalnd, but every manager has done so far....
his club record isnt really that bad when you look at it
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in case you didn't know Bob Bradley has signed a contract extension with the USA team.Link is below.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8955558.stm
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what is wrong with sven ? he got ivory coast playing resonably well, he done pants with engalnd, but every manager has done so far....
his club record isnt really that bad when you look at it
Did he really do pants with England?
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www.twitter.com/villa_insider
Worth a read.
Nice one dude, cheers.
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what is wrong with sven ? he got ivory coast playing resonably well, he done pants with engalnd, but every manager has done so far....
his club record isnt really that bad when you look at it
Did he really do pants with England?
Subsequent results would suggest he did as well as anyone could with what he had to work with.
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@mini_beest I doubt anybody will come in. Sidwell (baggies), Davies (Blackpool), Beye (hull) possible outs on loan.
Fingers x'd on these 3.
As for KevMac, I will be tremendously disappointed if he's appointed, we need profile and we need a name, and that name really should not have the initials SJE.
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what is wrong with sven ? he got ivory coast playing resonably well, he done pants with engalnd, but every manager has done so far....
his club record isnt really that bad when you look at it
Did he really do pants with England?
i personally dont think there is any manager out there that could get england team playing well with the bunch of plebs that are getting picked at the moment
Aint gonna win nothing with fat frank in the team
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I wonder if Sven will check the room for hidden cameras when he gets the news Villa want to speak with him?
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I think K-Mac's biggest asset is also his biggest problem.
He's had to (for want of a better phrase) put his arm around a lot of MON-rejects and get them to perform for him. The players seem to really like him. And that's a problem because you can't have a 'mate' as a boss.
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i personally dont think there is any manager out there that could get england team playing well with the bunch of plebs that are getting picked at the moment
Aint gonna win nothing with fat frank in the team
which does raise the issue of him continuing to pick his favourites no matter how shit they were...
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@mini_beest I doubt anybody will come in. Sidwell (baggies), Davies (Blackpool), Beye (hull) possible outs on loan.
Fingers x'd on these 3.
As for KevMac, I will be tremendously disappointed if he's appointed, we need profile and we need a name, and that name really should not have the initials SJE.
Seriously?
You think our squad can afford to lose 3 players with no fresh faces coming in? A couple of injuries and suspensions and we'd be fucked.
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I think K-Mac's biggest asset is also his biggest problem.
He's had to (for want of a better phrase) put his arm around a lot of MON-rejects and get them to perform for him. The players seem to really like him. And that's a problem because you can't have a 'mate' as a boss.
The reason some of the players make positive noises about Macdonald is that he represents continuity for them. They don't have to work as hard prove themselves to a new manager with all the uncertainty that goes with it. If I was Lerner, the moment I heard those comments would be the moment I ruled him out.
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I think K-Mac's biggest asset is also his biggest problem.
He's had to (for want of a better phrase) put his arm around a lot of MON-rejects and get them to perform for him. The players seem to really like him. And that's a problem because you can't have a 'mate' as a boss.
The reason some of the players make positive noises about Macdonald is that he represents continuity for them. They don't have to work as hard prove themselves to a new manager with all the uncertainty that goes with it. If I was Lerner, the moment I heard those comments would be the moment I ruled him out.
If I were Lerner, I would see the prevarication from KM over whether he actually wants to even apply for the job as a factor to rule him out. KM is entirely within his rights to be uncertain as to whether he wants it, but personally, I'd look away from someone who was having to convince himself.
After the recent bold statements about getting it right, appointing KM after the transfer window has slammed shut would be a truly uninspired move.
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Gutted if KMac gets the job. He just doesn't seem to command respect.
Hopefully he doesn't get it!
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Pmk you say svens record as a club boss is not that bad - it's fantastic! Great contacts too and succeeded at club level in various leagues- High profile too and I'd be happy with him.
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He just doesn't seem to command respect.
I agree Kmac isn't right for the manager's job, but I don't know about this.
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He just doesn't seem to command respect.
I agree Kmac isn't right for the manager's job, but I don't know about this.
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It wont be Bradley :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8955558.stm
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I think K-Mac's biggest asset is also his biggest problem.
He's had to (for want of a better phrase) put his arm around a lot of MON-rejects and get them to perform for him. The players seem to really like him. And that's a problem because you can't have a 'mate' as a boss.
The reason some of the players make positive noises about Macdonald is that he represents continuity for them. They don't have to work as hard prove themselves to a new manager with all the uncertainty that goes with it. If I was Lerner, the moment I heard those comments would be the moment I ruled him out.
Indeed. As soon as Petrov said that he would like Kev to get the job because all the players liked him, I knew he would not be a suitable first team Manager. The job he does so well for the Reserves is more of a nuturing role and ideal for him.
It's clear that MON lost the respect of much of the dressing room in recent months partly due to poor communication, but his management style had always been to keep the players at arms length and to be very careful about what he said to them when he did engage them. This is a style he learned from Clough, but seemed to lose the ability to think rationally with it.
A manager needs the players' respect, and that won't happen if they get too pally. A manager also needs to be distant enough from players to be able to drop them when they aren't playing well. I also think that a Koemann or Klinsmann would immediately have the respect of players due to what they achieved on the pitch however it would be interesting to know what their man management approach would be. If that's not appropriate then you can understand why ex-players don't always make good managers.
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The "initial list"; Pearce, McCarthy, Eriksson, Jol, Moyes, MacDonald, Bruce, Pulis.
#AVFC Moyes situation: Villa refused permission to speak with DM by Everton. Moyes won't quit to force the issue. RL admires that loyalty.
Both from; http://twitter.com/villa_insider
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If Kmac is appointed I will seruously doubt Randy's ambition.
If Sven is appointed, we may as well pack in now.
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Of that list there are only 3 maybe 4, I would even consider fit for the job. Moyes and Jol obviously. Sven for past achievements and maybe as a dark horse Tony Pulis who has done a good job at Stoke, but could he improve on it at the Villa. How have Bruce, McCarthy and Pearce got onto that list?
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Please not Mac as manager he is not the high profile man Villa needs. Really think Sven is our man with limited choice. He has the contacts and can bring in players on loan ................
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The "initial list"; Pearce, McCarthy, Eriksson, Jol, Moyes, MacDonald, Bruce, Pulis.
#AVFC Moyes situation: Villa refused permission to speak with DM by Everton. Moyes won't quit to force the issue. RL admires that loyalty.
Both from; http://twitter.com/villa_insider
Oh dear, my heart is seriously sinking if it's one of McCarthy, Bruce, Pulis, MacDonald, or Pearce.
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"Pearce, McCarthy, Eriksson, Jol, Moyes, MacDonald, Bruce, Pulis."
Christ.
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Well that list is a load of bollocks.
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From that list, only Sven could improve things in my view. I can't believe that some of these managers make anybody's list, including a spoof one like this.
Given the promise of some stability and a long term plan, SGE could do a very good job with us and would bring variety and a new style of play. He did pretty well at Citeh, considering the mad house that was - I know a couple of Citeh fans and they all thought he was hard done by.
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"Pearce, McCarthy, Eriksson, Jol, Moyes, MacDonald, Bruce, Pulis."
Christ.
But who else is available?
And even the two preferred candidates on that list are probably unavailable.
Sven is starting to look a not unattractive proposition
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"Pearce, McCarthy, Eriksson, Jol, Moyes, MacDonald, Bruce, Pulis."
Christ.
But who else is available?
And even the two preferred candidates on that list are probably unavailable.
Sven is starting to look a not unattractive proposition
The thought that Pulis or Bruce were even being considered. And Pearce. Fucking hell.
The thought of watching Pulis football makes me feel physically sick.
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The same insider said he was betting on Houllier and Sven. And the new manager would be at the match Sunday to 'advise.'
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The same insider said he was betting on Houllier and Sven. And the new manager would be at the match Sunday to 'advise.'
C'mon Dave you must have heard some rumours on the potential list for interviews?
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The same insider said he was betting on Houllier and Sven. And the new manager would be at the match Sunday to 'advise.'
C'mon Dave you must have heard some rumours on the potential list for interviews?
None at all. Nobody has.
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Moyes won't quit to force the issue.
Meaning if he could quit he would?
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#AVFC Moyes situation: Villa refused permission to speak with DM by Everton. Moyes won't quit to force the issue. RL admires that loyalty.
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This means Moyse doesn't want our job that badly and Randy is not prepared to go the extra mile to get the right man.
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The same insider said he was betting on Houllier and Sven. And the new manager would be at the match Sunday to 'advise.'
C'mon Dave you must have heard some rumours on the potential list for interviews?
None at all. Nobody has.
Typical Villa going about business in the correct manor !!! God i hate supporting a decent club !!
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#AVFC Moyes situation: Villa refused permission to speak with DM by Everton. Moyes won't quit to force the issue. RL admires that loyalty.
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This means Moyse doesn't want our job that badly and Randy is not prepared to go the extra mile to get the right man.
It could also mean "look at me I'm pretending to know things".
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Pearce, McCarthy, Bruce, Pulis, Allardyce,
All these deserve a chance at a bigger club but NIMBY!
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#AVFC Moyes situation: Villa refused permission to speak with DM by Everton. Moyes won't quit to force the issue. RL admires that loyalty.
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This means Moyse doesn't want our job that badly and Randy is not prepared to go the extra mile to get the right man.
It could also mean "look at me I'm pretending to know things".
had a quick look at his previous stuff ...didnt the lad say Ireland to be offered No 8 shirt ? er WRONG !
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Pearce, McCarthy, Bruce, Pulis, Allardyce,
All these deserve a chance at a bigger club but NIMBY!
That's what I thought to. Throw a big NIMBY at them. That'll keep them quiet.
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The same insider said he was betting on Houllier and Sven. And the new manager would be at the match Sunday to 'advise.'
C'mon Dave you must have heard some rumours on the potential list for interviews?
None at all. Nobody has.
VP and Bodymoor must be like Willy Wonka's factory. No one seen going in or out...
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Maybe he was offered it and said "nah, 9 please." :\
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It's a load of bollocks.
Why do people take in some of this internet cobblers as gospel?
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The same insider said he was betting on Houllier and Sven. And the new manager would be at the match Sunday to 'advise.'
C'mon Dave you must have heard some rumours on the potential list for interviews?
None at all. Nobody has.
VP and Bodymoor must be like Willy Wonka's factory. No one seen going in or out...
Just as long as we dont get an umpa lumpa in charge again
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Phil Brown is pretty orange...oh dear
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It's a load of bollocks.
Why do people take in some of this internet cobblers as gospel?
Fair point well made ! Still think its all bollocks but what do i know !!
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Pearce, McCarthy, Bruce, Pulis
That ITK is more like a WUM - There's as much chance of them getting it as Bradley. But then I don't know that!
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Confirmation on the OS that KM will be considered 'along with other candidates.'
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Talksport keep saying "KM has confimed he is interested, it is our understanding he WILL het the job"
Gutted
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Talksport keep saying "KM has confimed he is interested, it is our understanding he WILL het the job"
Gutted
I thought TS "understood" last week that Bob Bradley was getting the job.
Haha
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Is this the same Talksport that broke the news that Bob Bradley had quit as USA coach ? They know bugger all !
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Kev Mac may get the job, and he's now approaching odds-on favourite with some bookies, but if Talksport are saying he will for definite then they're guessing.
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keV mac is not an experienced manager and doesn't meet the requirements set in the statement- how can he possibly be considered a viable and ambitious option?
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I have no problem with KM as long as we get an experienced number 2 or a director of football.
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never ever listen to talk sport and take their word for it, i never listen to that prat durham and that mouse fella really does my head in !! i am considering never listening to them again
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From what I've seen (the last two games) I dont think KM should be the next Villa manager. We need someone with experience of 1st team management, preferably Prem League or major European.
They might even use scouts with knowledge and contacts in other leagues too. ;)
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I worry about anyone being placed in permanent charge who presides over a 6-0 defeat at Newcastle, a 3-2 home defeat to ensure we don't make the group stages of the UEFA and then presides over a 1-0 victory at home where the away side pretty well battered us for 90 minutres and held 67% possession and 18 corners. This is not to mention the playing of a creative midfielder in the defensive holding role whhilst the defending midfielder played in the attacking role.
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I still would rather K Mac than some run of the mill or crap manager, just because he's been a manager before. What's the point?
If we can get a really decent manager very quickly, great. If not, stick with the man who knows the players and the club and has their respect. Then look at it again in January.
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I still would rather K Mac than some run of the mill or crap manager, just because he's been a manager before. What's the point?
If we can get a really decent manager very quickly, great. If not, stick with the man who knows the players and the club and has their respect. Then look at it again in January.
Having said what I said above - I agree with this. Crap managers include; Pulis, Brown, Pearce, Allardyce, Sam Ermolenko and the like.
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I think Bruce might do a decent job actually. Especially if he brought Darren Bent with him.
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I think Bruce might do a decent job actually. Especially if he brought Darren Bent with him.
ONLY if he brought Darren Bent with him.
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I get the impression people think its manager deadline day :o
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I get the impression people think its manager deadline day :o
Its our equivalent as we wont be signing any players ;-)
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If Bruce had never been at the shit, opinion of him here would be higher. If Moyes isn't willing to force the move.. then that list looks worrying.
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need someone down villa park to let us know who has been coming and going
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If Bruce had never been at the shit, opinion of him here would be higher. If Moyes isn't willing to force the move.. then that list looks worrying.
The problem with Bruce is that he will walk at the hint of a better job, i do think he is a decent manager though
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need someone down villa park to let us know who has been coming and going
I am on my way with bins and sunglasses at the ready..
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If Bruce had never been at the shit, opinion of him here would be higher. If Moyes isn't willing to force the move.. then that list looks worrying.
The problem with Bruce is that he will walk at the hint of a better job, i do think he is a decent manager though
Depends if you think he'd improve us before bigger clubs, of which there aren't many, would be interested in him. I get your point though. Still a damn shame we don't appear to be grabbing Moyes.
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According to the Meaning Evil, neither Moyes or Hughes are in the running and the list is just 4 people including Macdonald.
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If Kmac is appointed I will seruously doubt Randy's ambition.
If Sven is appointed, we may as well pack in now.
so you doubt randy's ambition if he promotes an inexperienced manager, and then you write off a manager who has over 30 years experience managing at the highest levels????
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If Bruce had never been at the shit, opinion of him here would be higher. If Moyes isn't willing to force the move.. then that list looks worrying.
The problem with Bruce is that he will walk at the hint of a better job, i do think he is a decent manager though
Functional football at lower to mid table sides. Surely we have more ambition than that?
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According to the Meaning Evil, neither Moyes or Hughes are in the running and the list is just 4 people including Macdonald.
If that is correct, I would guess at MacDonald, Jol, Sven, and Bruce.
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According to the Meaning Evil, neither Moyes or Hughes are in the running and the list is just 4 people including Macdonald.
I'm assuming that they don't have a clue what's going on. But if they did,
K-Mac
Sven
er...
Bruce
er...
McLeish
Hmmph.
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According to the Meaning Evil, neither Moyes or Hughes are in the running and the list is just 4 people including Macdonald.
Just read the article and it says it's 4 people plus K-Mac, so five being considered in total. Not that they know this for a fact, of course.
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This is becoming desperate, still we can't appoint a manger until the transfer deadline has passed... so the earliest is tomorrow!
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Sven kmac curbishley klinsmann and houllier I reckon would be the 5 interviewed.
Sven or klinsmann great, houllier ok, and curbs or kmac a total lack of ambition and very very poor options.
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This is becoming desperate, still we can't appoint a manger until the transfer deadline has passed... so the earliest is tomorrow!
Why is it becoming desperate?.
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nothing desperate about it, i call it thorough and making sure the right man is appointed
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nothing desperate about it, i call it thorough and making sure the right man is appointed
And the cheapest.
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Ok see that appointing Mac because of his Villa background. But because of his lack of "premereship" experience and his own doubts of taking the job on. That would surely hardly install any confidence to the players ????
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The next manager will be Kevin MacDonald. Absolutely dreading it. 6-0 to Newcastle!! I remember posting on Sunday that it wouldn't be all that bad if we were to lose to Everton as it would stop the clueless, naive, terrible manager KMac from getting the job. As it pans out we won the game and despite being mullered by both Newcastle and Everton (and Everton did batter us) it seems that we are gonna appoint him. If so it's an absolute disgrace. We will have gone from having one of the best managers in the league to having by far and away the worst. I 'd take anybody, even Bradley over MacDonald, the man is totally out of his depth.
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agreed, if kmac got the job then we are in real desperate trouble , i pray randy is not a fool!
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nothing desperate about it, i call it thorough and making sure the right man is appointed
And the cheapest.
How is it the cheapest?.
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Not rocket science this:-
a) He will command a lower salary than a proven Prem Manager.
b) No contract pay off needed (for example, if an aggressive move for Hughes was made, Fulham would require compenation).
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99% of times You get what you pay for.
I fear for our season if KevMac is appointed.
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Well it wont be Bradley, he has just signed a four year extension to stay the USA manager
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if i'd have put a tenner on everyone i thought it would be from the start, i'd be a few hundred quid down,
its incredible how there are so many names banded about, and still no one really knows anything.
i still trust in Randy, i'm not bothered if it takes a little while, just as long as we make a good decision.
mind you, i did trust MON right up untill he brought Marlon,
my faith in him wained somewhat after that, hope it doesnt happen again with Randy
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99% of times You get what you pay for.
I fear for our season if KevMac is appointed.
I fear for our CLUB if KMac is appointed. The lowest profile manager we could possibly get short of me getting the job. Nobody will want to come to us in Jan if he is at the helm and players like Ash and Gabby, despite there supposedly good relationship with him, will be looking around at other clubs with proper managers and we could easily lose both of them when we are languishing in the lower reaches of the table come Christmas. This would be a far bigger disaster than losing Milner and it's in our own hands. Don't do it Randy, I beg you!!
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We might have to bite the bullet for now and have Kev. If there isnt anyone out there that's decent / or wants it.
Kev till xmas wouldn't be so bad would it?... we won 2 out of 4, 2 out of 3 if you ignore europe >:(
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We might have to bite the bullet for now and have Kev. If there isnt anyone out there that's decent / or wants it.
Kev till xmas wouldn't be so bad would it?... we won 2 out of 4, 2 out of 3 if you ignore europe >:(
we still have a 100% record. You just have to choose which results to ignore
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If Kevin Mac gets the job,does it mean Tony Mac will be his assistant? So we will need to employ two other people to replace them,with Sid staying where he is?
With the reserves and youth being sucessful this is another big and important decision to be made.
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99% of times You get what you pay for.
I fear for our season if KevMac is appointed.
I fear for our CLUB if KMac is appointed. The lowest profile manager we could possibly get short of me getting the job. Nobody will want to come to us in Jan if he is at the helm and players like Ash and Gabby, despite there supposedly good relationship with him, will be looking around at other clubs with proper managers and we could easily lose both of them when we are languishing in the lower reaches of the table come Christmas. This would be a far bigger disaster than losing Milner and it's in our own hands. Don't do it Randy, I beg you!!
If there is no one available, there is not a lot else the board can do.
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99% of times You get what you pay for.
I fear for our season if KevMac is appointed.
I fear for our CLUB if KMac is appointed. The lowest profile manager we could possibly get short of me getting the job. Nobody will want to come to us in Jan if he is at the helm and players like Ash and Gabby, despite there supposedly good relationship with him, will be looking around at other clubs with proper managers and we could easily lose both of them when we are languishing in the lower reaches of the table come Christmas. This would be a far bigger disaster than losing Milner and it's in our own hands. Don't do it Randy, I beg you!!
If there is no one available, there is not a lot else the board can do.
Do what other clubs do - "make" them available. Offer the kind of money that can't be turned down, if we know who we want. Keep on at the wanted man until we get him.
If we're about "so, we can't speak to him? Oh, ok" and walking away, then we deserve to end up with a Curbishley or a Megson.
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kmac is not ideal, but I'm sure he'd take the job on the understanding that it is only for the medium term, i.e. this season...yes it maybe a season of mediocrity, but that's better than seasons of mediocrity under the wrong manager...
THink a season of Kmac would be a lot better than getting a compromise candidate on a long deal..
Don't panic Randy!
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What I can't understand is, if they are convinced of Macdonalds ability, then why not (especially now he has declared his interest) just appoint him without going through the charade of interviews?
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99% of times You get what you pay for.
I fear for our season if KevMac is appointed.
I fear for our CLUB if KMac is appointed. The lowest profile manager we could possibly get short of me getting the job. Nobody will want to come to us in Jan if he is at the helm and players like Ash and Gabby, despite there supposedly good relationship with him, will be looking around at other clubs with proper managers and we could easily lose both of them when we are languishing in the lower reaches of the table come Christmas. This would be a far bigger disaster than losing Milner and it's in our own hands. Don't do it Randy, I beg you!!
If there is no one available, there is not a lot else the board can do.
Do what other clubs do - "make" them available. Offer the kind of money that can't be turned down, if we know who we want. Keep on at the wanted man until we get him.
If we're about "so, we can't speak to him? Oh, ok" and walking away, then we deserve to end up with a Curbishley or a Megson.
Absolutely, and the relegation that could very easily come with it.
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kmac is not ideal, but I'm sure he'd take the job on the understanding that it is only for the medium term, i.e. this season...yes it maybe a season of mediocrity, but that's better than seasons of mediocrity under the wrong manager...
THink a season of Kmac would be a lot better than getting a compromise candidate on a long deal..
Don't panic Randy!
I don't see why the club would want a season of mediocrity. We need to build on the foundations O'Neill has laid down and get the right man in to keep the momentum going. Mediocrity means almost certainly losing your best players.
I agree with Paulie - other clubs go out there and get what they want. We need to do the same if we are serious about competing at the top end of the table.
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...............even if it gets Randy a name in some parlances for being aggressive.
It's not 'aggressive' - it's business.
I hope Randy isn't bottling this.
I hope he remembers how much he's invested in the club and therefore how much needs protecting.
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I’m sure Lerner knows how to conduct himself in business acquisitions. I very much doubt that he’s the naive shrinking violet that he’s been labelled by some.
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Lerner is an astute business man and there is no way having invested millions in Villa over a four year period that he will effectively end our challenge by having "Mac" as manager. But cannot believe he has not added a couple of players on advice from his serious connections and possibly Mac ..............
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...............even if it gets Randy a name in some parlances for being aggressive.
It's not 'aggressive' - it's business.
I hope Randy isn't bottling this.
I hope he remembers how much he's invested in the club and therefore how much needs protecting.
the only peole i see bottling it, our those on who want action now, no matter what the outcome.
we dont know whats happening behind the scenes, we are just speculating, need a bit of patience, and a bit of bottle to see it through, i think randy's got that, unlike many on here
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We've finished 6th for 3 seasons running with a guy in charge who apparently alienated half the playing squad, played players out of position, didn't have a passport and couldn't or wouldn't buy a decent striker, surely anyone could do the job, or was MON deep down quite a good manager.
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Just on BBC Transfer Deadline Page
artillery_john-TW14 on 606: "Martin O'Neill is being brought in to replace the outbound David Moyes at Everton. Moyes will make Mikel Arteta his first signing as the new Aston Villa boss."
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Just posted on here:
What a load of shite.
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...............even if it gets Randy a name in some parlances for being aggressive.
It's not 'aggressive' - it's business.
I hope Randy isn't bottling this.
I hope he remembers how much he's invested in the club and therefore how much needs protecting.
the only peole i see bottling it, our those on who want action now, no matter what the outcome.
we dont know whats happening behind the scenes, we are just speculating, need a bit of patience, and a bit of bottle to see it through, i think randy's got that, unlike many on here
Well said John.
It amazes me the way people have starting turning towards the board, they've given us no reason to doubt them since they've took over, so have a little faith.
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Please randy don't appoint or even consider appointing kmac as manager-we have been dreadful last 4 games under him and on Sunday had33% possession at home - give him a pay rise , thank him and put him back in his reserve role-go for an experienced man with good contacts in Europe please!
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Bottle, or lack of it, has nothing to do with it. Given the possibility of MacDonald being appointed, all people are doing is offering their views on that were it to happen.
What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
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What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
Granted, I don't think bottle comes into it, but I think Randy and co. have earnt the right to be trusted on any potential appointment.
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At least getting Kmac to do the job should reduce the wage bill, and therefore allow us to purchase some much needed players in the January transfer window.
That's assuming we don't pay Kmac the same as we paid for O'Neil and co.
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What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
Granted, I don't think bottle comes into it, but I think Randy and co. have earnt the right to be trusted on any potential appointment.
They've earned the right to wait and see who it before being condemned but you can surely understand why people are concerned.
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What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
Granted, I don't think bottle comes into it, but I think Randy and co. have earnt the right to be trusted on any potential appointment.
I will trust in their ability to appoint the right man when they have done just that. Until then everyone has the right to be skeptical. This is different to most, if not all, decisions they have made before: this will decide the direction of the club for the next few years and requires sound footballing judgement. I'm not saying they will definitely get it wrong any more than I'm saying they will definitely get it right.
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What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
Granted, I don't think bottle comes into it, but I think Randy and co. have earnt the right to be trusted on any potential appointment.
They've earned the right to wait and see who it before being condemned but you can surely understand why people are concerned.
agreed Chris,
concerned is one thing, doing the internet equivalant of Chicken Licken running around saying the sky's falling in, is another
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What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
Granted, I don't think bottle comes into it, but I think Randy and co. have earnt the right to be trusted on any potential appointment.
They've earned the right to wait and see who it before being condemned but you can surely understand why people are concerned.
Chris.
You never used that equation when MON was rumoured to be signing X, Y and Z.
Your line was always
'MON knows what he's doing.'
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They've earned the right to not be criticised until an appointment is made. Not until he's proved to be any good or not, just until he arrives. And this is from Chris 'Party Line' Smith?
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What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
Granted, I don't think bottle comes into it, but I think Randy and co. have earnt the right to be trusted on any potential appointment.
I will trust in their ability to appoint the right man when they have done just that. Until then everyone has the right to be skeptical. This is different to most, if not all, decisions they have made before: this will decide the direction of the club for the next few years and requires sound footballing judgement. I'm not saying they will definitely get it wrong any more than I'm saying they will definitely get it right.
even when they appoint the new man, you wont know whether he's going to be succesfull or not,
whoever it is will have some peole pleased and others angry, thats just the way of things,
just because they dont pick one of yours or my favourites doesnt mean anything to be honest,
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Bloody Hell, Gus Poyet just gone from 80-1 to 33-1, probably because of this on BBC:
"Gus Poyet Aston Villa bound? My mate works for his agents and Villa have made enquiries"
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Just on BBC Transfer Deadline Page
artillery_john-TW14 on 606: "Martin O'Neill is being brought in to replace the outbound David Moyes at Everton. Moyes will make Mikel Arteta his first signing as the new Aston Villa boss."
lol if we got moyes and arteta, i would do of anything Randy asked. ANYTHING.
Thats how confident i am of that not happening
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What is amazing is that some people think that if the fans have bottle or faith that it will somehow lead to a better outcome.
Granted, I don't think bottle comes into it, but I think Randy and co. have earnt the right to be trusted on any potential appointment.
They've earned the right to wait and see who it before being condemned but you can surely understand why people are concerned.
Chris.
You never used that equation when MON was rumoured to be signing X, Y and Z.
Your line was always
'MON knows what he's doing.'
No, my line was I'll give them a chance. Same with this.
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At least getting Kmac to do the job should reduce the wage bill, and therefore allow us to purchase some much needed players in the January transfer window.
That's assuming we don't pay Kmac the same as we paid for O'Neil and co.
Ring ring:
KM: Hello is that Jermaine Defoe? It's Kevin MacDonald here.
JD: Who?
KM: Kevin MacDonald from Aston Villa, fancy moving to the midlands.....
(For Jermaine Defoe read ANY top class player)
Hmmmm...
If we install KM then what makes you think that anyone will come to us? Reducing the wage bill by getting a cheap inexperienced manager to free up funds to attract players is not a sound business plan. Nobody will come to us of any status under MacDonald. Still, brings the wage bill down hey......
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Agreed but picking a man whose never managed before would certainly not fit the criteria the general a d Faulkner expressed of an experienced manager - I'm sure people would be justifiably concerned if that happened , but we will have to wait and see until the choice is made and the claret a d blue smoke is seen flying over the trinity road stand.
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I think Poyet would be quite an interesting and different appointment.
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even when they appoint the new man, you wont know whether he's going to be succesfull or not,
whoever it is will have some peole pleased and others angry, thats just the way of things,
just because they dont pick one of yours or my favourites doesnt mean anything to be honest,
What you're saying is that every candidate, if appointed, has an equal chance of being a success. I don't think that's right: I think there are a good number of candidates out there who stand a much better chance of being a success than, for example, a 50-year old rookie who has only a handful of games experience. Equally there are a number of candidates out there who, while not being my personal favourite, stand a better chance of being a success than that rookie.
My objection to MacDonald is not that he isn't my favourite but that I think it would be a massive and unnecessary gamble.
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Is nothing to be said for Diego?
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They've earned the right to not be criticised until an appointment is made. Not until he's proved to be any good or not, just until he arrives. And this is from Chris 'Party Line' Smith?
People getting worked up over an appointment that has yet to be made is ridiculous. People getting worked up if that appointment tuns out to be Alan Curbishley, for instance, would have some justification. As ever I personally would give any new manager the benefit of the doubt but know very well that a lot of other people would be extremely angry.
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Is nothing to be said for Diego?
Yep, absolutely loads.
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Ring ring:
KM: Hello is that Jermaine Defoe? It's Kevin MacDonald here.
JD: Who?
KM: Kevin MacDonald from Aston Villa, fancy moving to the midlands.....
(For Jermaine Defoe read ANY top class player)
Hmmmm...
If we install KM then what makes you think that anyone will come to us? Reducing the wage bill by getting a cheap inexperienced manager to free up funds to attract players is not a sound business plan. Nobody will come to us of any status under MacDonald. Still, brings the wage bill down hey......
That's a little unkind to KM, and the thought of Jermaine Defoe answering his own phone is highly unlikely.
He could always show him the medals he has won, how many other managers have won the double ?
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They've earned the right to not be criticised until an appointment is made. Not until he's proved to be any good or not, just until he arrives. And this is from Chris 'Party Line' Smith?
People getting worked up over an appointment that has yet to be made is ridiculous. People getting worked up if that appointment tuns out to be Alan Curbishley, for instance, would have some justification. As ever I personally would give any new manager the benefit of the doubt but know very well that a lot of other people would be extremely angry.
How's that any different from you spending the last three weeks telling us everything was going to shit, how they'd pulled the funding, how we were all about doing things on the cheap?
Why weren't you keen to give them the chance to prove you wrong on that point?
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That's a little unkind to KM, and the thought of Jermaine Defoe answering his own phone is highly unlikely.
He could always show him the medals he has won, how many other managers have won the double ?
The league and title, quite a few as managers and we are looking for a manager aren't we ?
KM would be a mistake and will be done for one reason only.
Economics
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Ring ring:
KM: Hello is that Jermaine Defoe? It's Kevin MacDonald here.
JD: Who?
KM: Kevin MacDonald from Aston Villa, fancy moving to the midlands.....
(For Jermaine Defoe read ANY top class player)
Hmmmm...
If we install KM then what makes you think that anyone will come to us? Reducing the wage bill by getting a cheap inexperienced manager to free up funds to attract players is not a sound business plan. Nobody will come to us of any status under MacDonald. Still, brings the wage bill down hey......
That's a little unkind to KM, and the thought of Jermaine Defoe answering his own phone is highly unlikely.
He could always show him the medals he has won, how many other managers have won the double ?
What KM won as a player is totally and utterly irrelevent. Do you think that players would be attracted to Villa because MacDonald won the league as a player 30 years ago? Do you really think so?
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I dont see how any one can pre-judge the Board until after the appointment, If it means sticking with KMac because the candidates available are not suitable then so be it
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I was getting a little concerned we'd not had a comedy managerial suggestion today but now I've read Gus Poyet I'm satisfied that the stupid/sensible balance has been restored.
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I dont see how any one can pre-judge the Board until after the appointment, If it means sticking with KMac because the candidates available are not suitable then so be it
If the Board have done 50% of what General K has said they are they will have plenty of credible alternatives.
If they don't pick one and go for KM its simply economics and all the rhetoric about no change in policy and ambitions is just that empty talk.
So it won't happen.
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They've earned the right to not be criticised until an appointment is made. Not until he's proved to be any good or not, just until he arrives. And this is from Chris 'Party Line' Smith?
People getting worked up over an appointment that has yet to be made is ridiculous. People getting worked up if that appointment tuns out to be Alan Curbishley, for instance, would have some justification. As ever I personally would give any new manager the benefit of the doubt but know very well that a lot of other people would be extremely angry.
How's that any different from you spending the last three weeks telling us everything was going to shit, how they'd pulled the funding, how we were all about doing things on the cheap?
Why weren't you keen to give them the chance to prove you wrong on that point?
I wasn't telling you that's what had happened, I said I was worried that it was a possibility. It still is but the statement on Sunday has reassured me somewhat.
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They've earned the right to not be criticised until an appointment is made. Not until he's proved to be any good or not, just until he arrives. And this is from Chris 'Party Line' Smith?
People getting worked up over an appointment that has yet to be made is ridiculous. People getting worked up if that appointment tuns out to be Alan Curbishley, for instance, would have some justification. As ever I personally would give any new manager the benefit of the doubt but know very well that a lot of other people would be extremely angry.
How's that any different from you spending the last three weeks telling us everything was going to shit, how they'd pulled the funding, how we were all about doing things on the cheap?
Why weren't you keen to give them the chance to prove you wrong on that point?
I wasn't telling you that's what had happened, I said I was worried that it was a possibility. It still is but the statement on Sunday has reassured me somewhat.
So by your own measure, was your getting worked up over something which had not happened (owner pulling the funds / sell to buy / downscaling of ambition) also not ridiculous at the time?
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I dont see how any one can pre-judge the Board until after the appointment, If it means sticking with KMac because the candidates available are not suitable then so be it
If the Board have done 50% of what General K has said they are they will have plenty of credible alternatives.
Like who for instance.
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Like who for instance.
You're not suggesting Kevin MacDonald is the only credible candidate?
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KMac is not the answer, hopefully Randy has noted this, we were very lucky on Sunday.
Will not be impressed if he is appointed, yes he might be at the club 15 years and the players think he's brilliant, but that isn't enough. We all saw what happened last Sunday and Thurday, the team look they could fall appart at any moment.
If Randy gambles on this he will put the club back a year or two, will Ashley Young stick around when he is in a midtable side?
We need to get someone in to motivate the team, that can pit his wits against Ferguson, Wenger and Anchelotti and who ever else. He has been fine as caretaker, he has had no real pressure on him, he has been thrust into this position through circumstance. The pressure of being the gaffer and all that goes with it is different to being a reserve team coach or caretaker, he'll have dressing room ego's and that other stuff to deal with, experience helps you to get through that.
If O'Neill had left us early in the summer would we be happy with KMac?
Randy cannot take the easy way out on this.
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Kmac has been fortunate with the fixtures he's had and still done appallingly since west ham- we were outclassed by an Austrian league side and thrashed 6-0 by a promoted team , and then totally outplayed and outclassed at home to everton- I'm sure randy will have noted these displays and seen this man is nowhere near good enough for the job.
A great coach and inspiration to young players , and he deserves a pay rise for his efforts but a manager - no way!
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Kmac has been fortunate with the fixtures he's had and still done appallingly since west ham- we were outclassed by an Austrian league side and thrashed 6-0 by a promoted team , and then totally outplayed and outclassed at home to everton- I'm sure randy will have noted these displays and seen this man is nowhere near good enough for the job.
A great coach and inspiration to young players , and he deserves a pay rise for his efforts but a manager - no way!
We were not outclassed by Vienna, that's a ridiculous comment. We lost because we made some dreadfull defensive blunders, not because we were outplayed. We then battled extremely well to earn a victoty against Everton.
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Kmac has been fortunate with the fixtures he's had and still done appallingly since west ham- we were outclassed by an Austrian league side and thrashed 6-0 by a promoted team , and then totally outplayed and outclassed at home to everton- I'm sure randy will have noted these displays and seen this man is nowhere near good enough for the job.
A great coach and inspiration to young players , and he deserves a pay rise for his efforts but a manager - no way!
We were not outclassed by Vienna, that's a ridiculous comment. We lost because we made some dreadfull defensive blunders, not because we were outplayed. We then battled extremely well to earn a victoty against Everton.
Thank you, Chris. The voice of reason, as ever.
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Outclassed I accept was too strong a word but our performances in both legs left a lot to be desired mainly due to the team selections of k mac- the selection on Sunday was aided by reo coker coming in at the last minute but we were totally outplayed by them- yes we battled hard, but a good manager would need more than a team who battles.
I respect kmac as a coach but I see nothing to suggest he will be a good manager- I don't think from the generals comments that he is really anything more than a contender, and cannot see the board choosing him.
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"Big Ron Atkinson seen entering the Doug Ellis entrance at Villa Park for talks with Randy Lerner over becoming Villa manager again, on a short term contract," says Paul Derrigan.
(Telegraph)
What? Ok Let's debate this one shall we?
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Now that's just silly. Right?
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"Big Ron Atkinson seen entering the Doug Ellis entrance at Villa Park for talks with Randy Lerner over becoming Villa manager again, on a short term contract," says Paul Derrigan.
(Telegraph)
What? Ok Let's debate this one shall we?
He wasn't even Chelsea manager when he made that infamous remark about Desailly.
God knows what he'd call Reo Coker after yet another of his misplaced passes.
He'd probably don a white sheet and stick a burning cross in the centre circle.
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"Big Ron Atkinson seen entering the Doug Ellis entrance at Villa Park for talks with Randy Lerner over becoming Villa manager again, on a short term contract," says Paul Derrigan.
(Telegraph)
What? Ok Let's debate this one shall we?
This is obviously rubbish - Big Ron would never use the Doug Ellis entrance. Possibly if he was employed as some sort of advisor for Kevin Mac might have an ounce of truth in it.
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If there is any truth to Ron being there at all, which I highly doubt, it would be in an advisory role only.
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If there is any truth to Ron being there at all, which I highly doubt, it would be in an advisory role only.
RL 'What advice can you give us about the squad, Ron?'
BFR 'Too many darkies in it.'
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If there is any truth to Ron being there at all, which I highly doubt, it would be in an advisory role only.
I shouldn't laugh but this made me chuckle
RL 'What advice can you give us about the squad, Ron?'
BFR 'Too many darkies in it.'
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OK. Let's take it with a pinch etc. But think about the guidence he could offer for Kev Mac.
er.. no you are probably right given the character, he would simply cause more shit than a large herd of pachyderms.
Strange though. It's a nice thought. Well it brought a smile anyway.
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Where is the Doug Ellis entrance? No smutty innuendo from you please, Mr Fletcher.
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OK. Let's take it with a pinch etc. But think about the guidence he could offer for Kev Mac.
er.. no you are probably right given the character, he would simply cause more shit than a large herd of pachyderms.
Strange though. It's a nice thought. Well it brought a smile anyway.
We saw Ron in a Par 3 celebrity golf tournament at Nailcote Hall a couple of weeks ago. He was the same as ever. I nearly shouted 'come back, all is forgiven'. He's certainly a character.
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Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it,but as we didnt sign anyone today,does that mean that Kevin Mac isn't a dead cert for the job?? Or am i just over thinking things,reading too many threads etc??
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would really love david moyes ,we should also have brian little and dennis mortimer involved in some capacity at the club.
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Someone on the BBC Transfer deadline page has posted the following
"Gus Poyet Aston Villa bound? My mate works for his agents and Villa have made enquiries"
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Someone on the BBC Transfer deadline page has posted the following
"Gus Poyet Aston Villa bound? My mate works for his agents and Villa have made enquiries"
Let's hope u fart very soon matey. Ha
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8)Lord lucan,adolf hitler ,genghis khan ,maagie thatcher?? who and when? the papers and media will spout ever name,but just as when graham taylor and ron saunders came just watch us get a rabbit out of the hat,but please whoever comes lets give him a chance .
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Forgive me. Tabloid trash or not - I am actually warming to the idea. I mean, I would love to see a really big name at VP ( not Sven) but I simply do not see anyone, anyone who is available that we could attract or would put us into a depressive state.
Then think of Faulkners statement to the World.
However, BFR - into Ellis entrance has a certain ring about it. Sorry.
Is this really such a bad idea? And no I don't believe it either.
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8)Lord lucan,adolf hitler ,genghis khan ,maagie thatcher?? who and when? the papers and media will spout ever name,but just as when graham taylor and ron saunders came just watch us get a rabbit out of the hat,but please whoever comes lets give him a chance .
The messiah brigade will not give any manager a chance.
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Pongy Shat reincarnated.
The party just gets better and better.
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I wish Big Ron had been given the money Martin was. Now that would have been entertaining.
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Kmac has been fortunate with the fixtures he's had and still done appallingly since west ham- we were outclassed by an Austrian league side and thrashed 6-0 by a promoted team , and then totally outplayed and outclassed at home to everton- I'm sure randy will have noted these displays and seen this man is nowhere near good enough for the job.
A great coach and inspiration to young players , and he deserves a pay rise for his efforts but a manager - no way!
We were not outclassed by Vienna, that's a ridiculous comment. We lost because we made some dreadfull defensive blunders, not because we were outplayed. We then battled extremely well to earn a victoty against Everton.
Agreed. Three ridiculous mistakes apart, we were easily the better side.
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Forgive me. Tabloid trash or not - I am actually warming to the idea. I mean, I would love to see a really big name at VP ( not Sven) but I simply do not see anyone, anyone who is available that we could attract or would put us into a depressive state.
Then think of Faulkners statement to the World.
However, BFR - into Ellis entrance has a certain ring about it. Sorry.
Is this really such a bad idea? And no I don't believe it either.
Hold on this one's gathering momentum - "Big Ron gets it up the Doug" is set for print all over tomorrows back pages. suspend the betting...............
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Forgive me. Tabloid trash or not - I am actually warming to the idea. I mean, I would love to see a really big name at VP ( not Sven) but I simply do not see anyone, anyone who is available that we could attract or would put us into a depressive state.
Then think of Faulkners statement to the World.
However, BFR - into Ellis entrance has a certain ring about it. Sorry.
Is this really such a bad idea? And no I don't believe it either.
Hold on this one's gathering momentum - "Big Ron gets it up the Doug" is set for print all over tomorrows back pages. suspend the betting...............
Little concerned. Your name is?
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Firstly don't we all believe that Randy is generally an ethical guy? I don't see him poaching/tapping up a manager under contract.
Secondly, there isn't an available candidate that hasn't been rubbished in one way or another on this board. The ideal candidate does not appear to be available to the users of this site.
So, we're left with the least worse option, KMac, for a season. This will allow the right candidate to be put in place.
We talk about a "five year plan" often enough, surely this emphasises that Randy is in it for the long term. He's prepared to wait, to sacrifice a season, to ensure the best long term outcome for the Villa.
Let's not forget that MON was responsible for signing the players we think are "dead wood". MON was responsible for walking out on us at a time when the closest thing to the right candidate (Mark Hughes - and don't forget his comment on joining was "a good fit" - hardly enthusiastic) who'd just took a job. MON was responsible for putting us in a position where we couldn't make new signings. Don't under estimate MON's planning at such time to create this situation. It's not like we don't know that he holds a grudge when he falls out with someone.
MON is responsible for the shite we're in, which will mean effectively writing-off this season.
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Firstly don't we all believe that Randy is generally an ethical guy? I don't see him poaching/tapping up a manager under contract.
Secondly, there isn't an available candidate that hasn't been rubbished in one way or another on this board. The ideal candidate does not appear to be available to the users of this site.
So, we're left with the least worse option, KMac, for a season. This will allow the right candidate to be put in place.
We talk about a "five year plan" often enough, surely this emphasises that Randy is in it for the long term. He's prepared to wait, to sacrifice a season, to ensure the best long term outcome for the Villa.
Let's not forget that MON was responsible for signing the players we think are "dead wood". MON was responsible for walking out on us at a time when the closest thing to the right candidate (Mark Hughes - and don't forget his comment on joining was "a good fit" - hardly enthusiastic) who'd just took a job. MON was responsible for putting us in a position where we couldn't make new signings. Don't under estimate MON's planning at such time to create this situation. It's not like we don't know that he holds a grudge when he falls out with someone.
MON is responsible for the shite we're in, which will mean effectively writing-off this season.
I agree with you on every point BUT putting KMac in charge. He is not ready to be a manager, maybe he never will be. If we finished 9th-14th this season who is to say any potential manager we are targetting (Moyes or Jol), would be interested in us?
Football operates in the present, we need the best available man for the job now and KM is not that man.
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so are you saying mac that you think it will be kmac for just this season , or have you heard that from a reliable source that it will be , or is it just what you would do in this situation?
id rather give it to sven and see what he can do than give it to a man with no managerial experience.
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Put McDonald in charge even for one season and we'll see the likes of Young and our other better players look to leave the club citing lack of ambition. It'll be an absolute disaster. McDonald looks out of his depth at the best of times, and he can't possibly be left in charge of the Villa full time. Its the worst case senario.
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With all due respect Mac, MON is not responsible for the mess we are in, and there is no need to right off the season,
Fulham quickly replaced Hodgson with a good appointment, surely we can attract as good a candidate as Hughes, we have had plenty of time to attract the right kind of manager, and an appointment of KMac , or his ilk, is a copout.
MON acted like a spoilt brat, but hes not the reason we are still in this situation.
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I agree with you on every point BUT putting KMac in charge. He is not ready to be a manager, maybe he never will be. If we finished 9th-14th this season who is to say any potential manager we are targetting (Moyes or Jol), would be interested in us?
Football operates in the present, we need the best available man for the job now and KM is not that man.
Agree with that. First, as IA says, who is to say the person we want is going to be available next summer anyway? Unless we have a firm commitment, that's a big risk to take. Second, if we do have a poor season, or even a mediocre one, there is the risk that the pool of candidates next summer will be of a lower calibre than the current one.
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So who's up for camping at the belfry and see who Falkner and Lerner turn up with to interview over the next week? Team of 4, three on stag, one covering front entrance, another the rear, one inside while the other is resting.
Then quick call to bet fair and away we go!!
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So who's up for camping at the belfry and see who Falkner and Lerner turn up with to interview over the next week? Team of 4, three on stag, one covering front entrance, another the rear, one inside while the other is resting.
Then quick call to bet fair and away we go!!
loving the eagerness, 10/10 for effort
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I am not saying it would be my choosen manager, but I could see Houllier being the next Manager. I think his personality would appeal to Randy, he has won a few cups & leagues (although I think Lyon always won their league in those days). He has worked with youth players and has premier league experience. And although Moyes odds reducing yesterday shows just relying on odds is a crap idea, Houllier's odds have dropped recently.
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With all due respect Mac, MON is not responsible for the mess we are in, and there is no need to right off the season,
Fulham quickly replaced Hodgson with a good appointment, surely we can attract as good a candidate as Hughes, we have had plenty of time to attract the right kind of manager, and an appointment of KMac , or his ilk, is a copout.
MON acted like a spoilt brat, but hes not the reason we are still in this situation.
Who is responsible then if it's not MON's fault?
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With all due respect Mac, MON is not responsible for the mess we are in, and there is no need to right off the season,
Fulham quickly replaced Hodgson with a good appointment, surely we can attract as good a candidate as Hughes, we have had plenty of time to attract the right kind of manager, and an appointment of KMac , or his ilk, is a copout.
MON acted like a spoilt brat, but hes not the reason we are still in this situation.
Are you saying it's the board's fault for not acting more quickly to replace MON ?
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The Guardian:-
Kevin MacDonald heads five-man shortlist for Aston Villa manager's job• Caretaker has players' support as club begins interviews
• Timing of Fulham appointment counts against Mark Hughes
Aston Villa have compiled a five-man shortlist as they strive to identify Martin O'Neill's successor. It includes Kevin MacDonald, currently serving as caretaker manager, who today confirmed he wanted a chance to fill the post created by O'Neill's shock resignation. Indeed, Villa's owner, Randy Lerner, is considering MacDonald's candidature so seriously that he can probably be regarded as the current favourite.
The other contenders all possess greater Premier League experience but, after 15 years working in various coaching capacities at Villa Park, MacDonald boasts some significant supporters inside the club, including key players.
His cause is helped by a dearth of high-calibre managers available to take over a club that challenged for Champions League qualification last season.
Despite the recruitment difficulties, one candidate was interviewed yesterday by a panel headed by Lerner and Villa's chief executive, Paul Faulkner. The club hopes the process will be concluded swiftly, with O'Neill's successor installed by the end of the international break.
Although Villa's board discussed the possibility of hiring Mark Hughes when there were fears O'Neill might quit at the end of last season, the Welshman joined Fulham just before the Northern Irishman left Villa Park.
Much as Hughes and Villa might privately wish their timing had been different, extricating the former Blackburn and Manchester City manager from Craven Cottage now would prove extremely tricky – not to mention expensive.
Removing Alex McLeish from Birmingham might be cheaper – it is thought Villa's closest rivals would demand around £1m in compensation – but would be politically sensitive.
While David Moyes fits the profile of the sort of manager Villa are seeking, Everton have received no approach for his services and it is understood he is committed to remaining at Goodison Park. For Moyes, Villa would represent something of a sideways move, particularly as transfer funds seem almost as tight at the Midlands club as on Merseyside.
Elsewhere, Martin Jol is thought likely to remain at Ajax, where the former Tottenham manager can look forward to Champions League football, while Gareth Southgate's career as an ITV pundit is proving so enjoyable the former Middlesbrough manager and Villa defender may harbour mixed feelings about returning to the dugout.
Sam Allardyce, currently impressing in charge of Blackburn Rovers, could be another potential candidate, but his reputation was damaged by a previous disappointing stint at Newcastle United, and his football philosophy remains an acquired taste.
It seems MacDonald's mixed results – he has presided over two Premier League wins either side of a 6-0 defeat at Newcastle while also proving powerless to prevent Villa losing a vital Europa League qualifier against Rapid Vienna – will not count against him.
Even so, Villa's landscape would look very different were Hughes a free agent.
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With all due respect Mac, MON is not responsible for the mess we are in, and there is no need to right off the season,
Fulham quickly replaced Hodgson with a good appointment, surely we can attract as good a candidate as Hughes, we have had plenty of time to attract the right kind of manager, and an appointment of KMac , or his ilk, is a copout.
MON acted like a spoilt brat, but hes not the reason we are still in this situation.
Hughes was available. Who is available now? Name somebody available you'd be happy with?
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The point about what KMc has won as a player is the fact he's not some no mark player, he was a good player used to mixing with top quality players.
He has had a good coaching career so far and if no other top quality manager is available I would be willing to give him a go.
He would get respect from the players in the team but hated by the players out of the team, no different to any other manager.
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Here:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/31/aston-villa-new-manager-shortlist
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so are you saying mac that you think it will be kmac for just this season , or have you heard that from a reliable source that it will be , or is it just what you would do in this situation?
id rather give it to sven and see what he can do than give it to a man with no managerial experience.
What I am saying is that I think KMac will get the job. It's then his to lose. Good season he keeps it, poor one someone else comes in. This way we'll have from Feb/March to line something up.
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All I will say that if we appoint MacDonald after all this pissing about & dithering until after the deadline allowing others to strengthen whilst we follow the 'process', I will be hugely disappointed. If Randy wanted MacDonald all along he should have appointed him and allowed him to deal in the market.
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With all due respect Mac, MON is not responsible for the mess we are in, and there is no need to right off the season,
Fulham quickly replaced Hodgson with a good appointment, surely we can attract as good a candidate as Hughes, we have had plenty of time to attract the right kind of manager, and an appointment of KMac , or his ilk, is a copout.
MON acted like a spoilt brat, but hes not the reason we are still in this situation.
Are you saying it's the board's fault for not acting more quickly to replace MON ?
Tell me who is available that's acceptable. Or are you saying Randy should have royally fucked over another club? The man that's given it's shirt sponsorship away to a kids' charity for two years?
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Is it me not reading the article right or is that another piece of completely pointless journalism? After spending a minute or two reading it i'm completely none the wiser.
Apart from the fact that we now have a shortlist... Which isn't exactly rocket science to figure out is it?
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I agree with you on every point BUT putting KMac in charge. He is not ready to be a manager, maybe he never will be. If we finished 9th-14th this season who is to say any potential manager we are targetting (Moyes or Jol), would be interested in us?
Football operates in the present, we need the best available man for the job now and KM is not that man.
Agree with that. First, as IA says, who is to say the person we want is going to be available next summer anyway? Unless we have a firm commitment, that's a big risk to take. Second, if we do have a poor season, or even a mediocre one, there is the risk that the pool of candidates next summer will be of a lower calibre than the current one.
Realistically who is there available who can start tomorrow?
If RL has spoken to someone who he wants to be the next manager, but who has said "sorry but I am not prepared to do the dirty on my present club at the moment but next April I will tell the chairman I am leaving so that he has all summer to find my replacement and then will come to VP", what is he supposed to do?
And the fact that we might finish 9th - 14th this season would mean what to that person exactly? It would still be the same squad of players except some of the younger ones might well have gained some PL experience, plus Delph will hopefully be available. Also he would have had time to assess exactly what he wanted at VP and would, presumably, know what his budget was going to be so could put events in motion from day 1.
Yes, it is not the best scenario this season, but it may well be the best one over the next 5 years, and would show that RL is determined to try and put the club back at the top table.
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I don't want KMac to take over, but I'd take him over Allardyce. I couldn't stomach Allardyce's brand of football.
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I've been away for a while but before I went there was a lot of talk about Bilic which now seems to have disappeared, did he rule himself out?
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My head hurts!!!
I'm really not sure what the best option is, lets hope those in the know have a plan
Mark
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I don't want KMac to take over, but I'd take him over Allardyce. I couldn't stomach Allardyce's brand of football.
I would rather Sam Fox than Sam Allardyce!
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I've been away for a while but before I went there was a lot of talk about Bilic which now seems to have disappeared, did he rule himself out?
No, not that i've heard. Bilic is still there somewhere. AVFC have released a statement though saying that premiership managment experience is a must for any potential candidate.
But then the General said that it's just premiership experience not necessarily management
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I don't want KMac to take over, but I'd take him over Allardyce. I couldn't stomach Allardyce's brand of football.
I would rather Sam Fox than Sam Allardyce!
How about Uncle Sam??
We are american after all!
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I agree with you on every point BUT putting KMac in charge. He is not ready to be a manager, maybe he never will be. If we finished 9th-14th this season who is to say any potential manager we are targetting (Moyes or Jol), would be interested in us?
Football operates in the present, we need the best available man for the job now and KM is not that man.
Agree with that. First, as IA says, who is to say the person we want is going to be available next summer anyway? Unless we have a firm commitment, that's a big risk to take. Second, if we do have a poor season, or even a mediocre one, there is the risk that the pool of candidates next summer will be of a lower calibre than the current one.
Realistically who is there available who can start tomorrow?
If RL has spoken to someone who he wants to be the next manager, but who has said "sorry but I am not prepared to do the dirty on my present club at the moment but next April I will tell the chairman I am leaving so that he has all summer to find my replacement and then will come to VP", what is he supposed to do?
And the fact that we might finish 9th - 14th this season would mean what to that person exactly? It would still be the same squad of players except some of the younger ones might well have gained some PL experience, plus Delph will hopefully be available. Also he would have had time to assess exactly what he wanted at VP and would, presumably, know what his budget was going to be so could put events in motion from day 1.
Yes, it is not the best scenario this season, but it may well be the best one over the next 5 years, and would show that RL is determined to try and put the club back at the top table.
There are plenty I would take who could start ASAP over KM. eg Sven, O'Driscoll, Houllier, Klinsmann, Grayson, Pulis etc
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Is it me not reading the article right or is that another piece of completely pointless journalism? After spending a minute or two reading it i'm completely none the wiser.
Apart from the fact that we now have a shortlist... Which isn't exactly rocket science to figure out is it?
Reading between the lines they wanted Hughes but didn't have the heart/bottle* to sack MON and she thinks Kevin is now the favourite.
Reading the lines themselves they interviewed a candidate yesterday, one of 4 others who all have PL experience.
*You pays your money, you takes your choice; a little bit of both in my view.
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I love that line about Allardyce's style of football being 'an acquired taste'. What a marvellous polite way of saying it's shite to watch.
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Realistically who is there available who can start tomorrow?
If RL has spoken to someone who he wants to be the next manager, but who has said "sorry but I am not prepared to do the dirty on my present club at the moment but next April I will tell the chairman I am leaving so that he has all summer to find my replacement and then will come to VP", what is he supposed to do?
And the fact that we might finish 9th - 14th this season would mean what to that person exactly? It would still be the same squad of players except some of the younger ones might well have gained some PL experience, plus Delph will hopefully be available. Also he would have had time to assess exactly what he wanted at VP and would, presumably, know what his budget was going to be so could put events in motion from day 1.
Yes, it is not the best scenario this season, but it may well be the best one over the next 5 years, and would show that RL is determined to try and put the club back at the top table.
Realistically, there are plenty of people who could start straight away. Eriksson for one. He might not be your choice but the point is that he is one example of someone who is available.
If Randy's first choice is currently employed and not prepared to leave his club then Randy needs to get a firm commitment from him that he will join us next summer, or in January or whenever (although I doubt we'd wait more than one season). If he doesn't have that commitment then I reckon it's a big risk to proceed in the hope - because that's what it would be - that this guy would join us. Plus, this bloke would have to be significantly better than those currently available if we're going to basically mark time for 12 months before we get off and running again. So, I would hope that if Randy's first choice is unavailable then he try his second choice, and his third, and so on until his shortlisted is exhausted. We went through all this 'better to wait and get our first choice rather than sign players for the sake of it' business under O'Neill and we ended up with a lot of crappers who never played and are still on the books. The point being that you can wait and wait and still not get your first choice. Or you can wait til you get your first choice and he still turns out to be crap.
If we have a crap season (and with no additions to the squad and a rookie manager it's possible) it may be that some of our better players - particularly Ashley - may decide it's time to move on. They may not fancy another 2 or 3 seasons of rebuilding, on top of the crap 12 months they've just had.
So if Randy was to say "Kevin MacDonald for 12 months and then Guus Hiddink" then I'd say yes, that's worth waiting for. But Kevin Macdonald for 12 months and then Martin Jol? I'm not sure.
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I'm definitely gearing up to feel rather disappointed! None of those names in the guardian had me excited. I actually feel a bit unsulted that nothwithstanding the timing of the situation, one of the candidates is southgate who took boro down!
I may give up football if we get Allardyce (I think he's a good manager but I really don't like him and MON's style would begin to look subtle by comparison).
It was interesting that the general clarified faulkner's comments about what was meant by premiership experience, not just management experience. That can't just be Kmac related, it must mean someone who's played here but managed elsewhere - Bilic, Klinsmann seem the most likely?
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Just seen the Kev Macdonald promotional video on the OS.
His campaign team our doing a goood job!
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With Paddy Power you can get 100-1 against Dr Josef Venglos being appointed...
Experience of managing in the Premier League - check!
Able to get the most out of the players we've got - check (they did say he was ahead of his time!)
You heard it here first - that's all I'm saying!
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I don't want KMac to take over, but I'd take him over Allardyce. I couldn't stomach Allardyce's brand of football.
I would rather Sam Fox than Sam Allardyce!
Yeah but even she would have her knockers...........................Sorry!!!
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Jesus wept I don't want anyone in that article as manager. My choice would be Klinsmann without a doubt.
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Randy is a proper ethical man, not perfect, no one is, but different from most other owners in the prem league,
i'm glad he's different, i believe he's better,
and does things in a more considered way which goes against the normal practise of football chairman running roughshod over anyone that gets in the way.
you only have to look at the 'deadline' day scramble twice a year, to realise football chairmen and managers havent got a clue how to organise there afairs, or things would be done far earlier, the way Fergie at OT does.
have you ever seen a press conference start on time, no, thats because most clubs couldnt organise a two car funeral.
so Randy might be different, taking his time, looking at all the opptions, and even 'interviewing' prospective candidates, which i admit does sound a bit wierd, in the new hyper fast football world we now live.
but i still reckon he's a good bloke, and i'm glad we got him, he wont get everything right, ie the badge, but at least he tries to,
i wouldnt swap him for any other owner in the prem, i like the way he conducts himself and still trust him to make the right decisions for Villa , certainly untill he gives me good reason not to
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Sven or klinsmann on a 3 year contract would be far better than kmac on a one yr deal in my opinion- stand still in football and others will pass you, kmac has said he recommended players to the board, the fact they haven't signed any players suggests he's not their man .
I'd be most shocked and dissapointed if the ambition we keep hearing about turned out to kmac but I trust in randy to not give it to him .
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I'd like to add that whilst my choice would be Klinsmann, it's vital that K Mac gets a place in the first team set up IMO - if he wanted to of course
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We cannot afford to have KM in charge for a season, if we are not at least competing this season it could set us back years.
1. Ash will be off
2. We will be stuck with all these deadwood players that no one else will buy
3. No players will want to join us.
We need to do what spurs did and not fuck around, just go and pay what it takes to get Moyes/Jol.
Spurs did that and got Harry and look at them now, if they hadn't of acted and waited till the right man was "available" then they would have either been relegated or be stuck midtable for a few years.
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Sven or klinsmann on a 3 year contract would be far better than kmac on a one yr deal in my opinion- stand still in football and others will pass you, kmac has said he recommended players to the board, the fact they haven't signed any players suggests he's not their man .
I'd be most shocked and dissapointed if the ambition we keep hearing about turned out to kmac but I trust in randy to not give it to him .
Yeah, surely the fact that we got no one in during the transfer window indicates that we're not looking at KM as manager. Otherwise they'd of been brought in, even if just loan deals to see us through until next year, but nothing like that happened so i dont think its KM as manager.
This is also Randy's first managerial appointment. He may want to throw a statement out there by appointing someone more high calibre (no offence KM). Doug brought in MON but Randy has to go one better with brining in a big name. That could be a Sven, klinsmann or Guus. I really can't see him bringing in Fat Sam or Curbs.
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"Doug brought in MON but Randy has to go one better with brining in a big name. That could be a Sven, klinsmann or Guus. I really can't see him bringing in Fat Sam or Curbs." Midnite
The story goes that MON only agreed to come on the specific condition that Doug was NOT the Chairman. In short RL or whomever negotiated his involvement with us agreed that Doug was allowed to claim the appointment but would then leave on a high. Ego? Doug? If you go back and explore the timing it makes perfect sense. For whatever it is worth.
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Yes it was pretty obvious to everyone at the time that Doug was no longer going to be chairman.
Just looking at latest betting odds. Houllier is 3rd fav on Betfair. Having read his wikipedia page I really hope we dont get him in.
He was no great shakes at Lyon and Sami Hyypia aside it made me cringe on reading his list of signings at Liverpool.
NEXT!
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Yes it was pretty obvious to everyone at the time that Doug was no longer going to be chairman.
Just looking at latest betting odds. Houllier is 3rd fav on Betfair. Having read his wikipedia page I really hope we dont get him in.
He was no great shakes at Lyon and Sami Hyypia aside it made me cringe on reading his list of signings at Liverpool.
NEXT!
I honestly wouldn't pay too much attention to the prices at the moment, the market is absolutely all over the shop on this one, and has been since the day MON went.
They're just following the money, and there's probably not that much money being punted on it, so a rumour might grow from nowhere, a few people put money on, and the odds react accordingly.
Bob Bradley was hot favourite for about two weeks. Does anyone really think there was ever a chance of him getting the job?
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He also has the hair of a menopausal woman, and I'm not sure I trust that.
Friggin' awesome!! LOL!!
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When the rumours started floating around yesterday about the appointment causing a "stir", my first though was Hughes and that first thought has now become my second thought, and also my third thought.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about, he certainly doesn't have that bad a track record but isn't particularly inspiring. He also has the hair of a menopausal woman, and I'm not sure I trust that.
(http://summerbayjournal.com/images/ailsa3.jpg)
(http://cdn.fourfourtwo.com/contentimages/interviews/Hughes_Big1.jpg)
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When the rumours started floating around yesterday about the appointment causing a "stir", my first though was Hughes and that first thought has now become my second thought, and also my third thought.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about, he certainly doesn't have that bad a track record but isn't particularly inspiring. He also has the hair of a menopausal woman, and I'm not sure I trust that.
I think he has moved beyond the menopausal woman phase and entered the Andrew Neill "brillo pad" phrase, which is even less trustworthy.
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I rest my case.
Is that Ailsa Stewart from Home and Away? And if so, can she be added to the poll options please? I can see her drafting Alf in for a bit of discipline down Bodymoor - we wouldn't be out of Europe if Kevin Mac had been calling Beye a "flaming galaa" from the touchline.
No its Rudi Voller post op
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I've never had a problem with a brillo pad, be it green or silver. Menopausal women, however, I've always found to be something of a mixed bag. In conclusion, we probably shouldn't appoint Hughes, and I should really go and do the washing up before my Mom has a go at me.
It's not unusual, but it is not right either.
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I am sure I read a comment by The General saying that those in the club who needed to know what was going on, were being kept informed on what was happening. I wonder if the Kevin MacDonald for manager has been a bit of a smoke screen.
Randy has been done over by MON in that MON took all of his staff with him. I would take Randy as being somebody that wouldn't be burnt twice. He would therefore probably want a manager that didn't bring all his own staff with him, so that if there was a parting some time in the future, there may be continuity as the assistant/coaching team would possibly stay on. With this in mind, I wonder if Kevin Mac is lined up as Assistant Manager and 1st Team Coach and Randy is looking for more of a forward thinking General Manager to work with KM. Somebody like Klinsmann would fit the bill perfectly and was quoted in the Mirror article last week
The 46-year-old, capped 108 times by Germany, has just moved his family back to their California home after an ill-fated spell as boss of Bayern Munich, but has made it clear he’d be open to the right offer to work in England.He said recently: “The next opportunity I take on must have an environment where I feel really happy. I want to work with people that do it for the right reasons.
“I want to fit into an environment that kind of shares my philosophy, and my philosophy is an attacking style of football.
“That’s just the way I think, and it’s how I built the German team for the 2006 World Cup over two years, which was highly criticised over a long stretch of time, and then they embraced it.
“It’s a style of play that takes time to implement, and you need the environment that gives you that time.
“That’s why I’m cautious. It needs to fit.”
That accords with Lerner’s vision for Villa after the American banking billionaire realised he can’t compete with Manchester City’s spending and needs to find another way to build a sustainable model.
He wants a boss he can work with rather than be confrontational after falling out with O’Neill over transfer plans.
Klinsmann’s gentlemanly style is just right – and he also has the standing in the game both to inspire the young players coming through the club’s academy scheme as well as manage the senior stars bought by O’Neill. Klinsmann had begun a behind-the-scenes revolution improving Bayern Munich’s youth structure before falling out with directors who were impatient for first-team results.
Link
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Jurgen-Klinsmann-is-top-of-Aston-Villa-s-wish-list-to-become-their-next-manager-article567061.html
Some very similar wording there to the Club's statement and The General's comments. Coincidence or The Mirror building a story?
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Well Randy orginally want Klinsmann with the takeover before he was advised O'runner was the one pretty much everyone wanted at the time.
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Can't believe how lucky we are! Now that Transfer window is closed other clubs fans have nothing left to talk about however for us we can carry on chatting till Manager is appointed!
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I am sure I read a comment by The General saying that those in the club who needed to know what was going on, were being kept informed on what was happening. I wonder if the Kevin MacDonald for manager has been a bit of a smoke screen.
Randy has been done over by MON in that MON took all of his staff with him. I would take Randy as being somebody that wouldn't be burnt twice. He would therefore probably want a manager that didn't bring all his own staff with him, so that if there was a parting some time in the future, there may be continuity as the assistant/coaching team would possibly stay on. With this in mind, I wonder if Kevin Mac is lined up as Assistant Manager and 1st Team Coach and Randy is looking for more of a forward thinking General Manager to work with KM. Somebody like Klinsmann would fit the bill perfectly and was quoted in the Mirror article last week
The 46-year-old, capped 108 times by Germany, has just moved his family back to their California home after an ill-fated spell as boss of Bayern Munich, but has made it clear he’d be open to the right offer to work in England.He said recently: “The next opportunity I take on must have an environment where I feel really happy. I want to work with people that do it for the right reasons.
“I want to fit into an environment that kind of shares my philosophy, and my philosophy is an attacking style of football.
“That’s just the way I think, and it’s how I built the German team for the 2006 World Cup over two years, which was highly criticised over a long stretch of time, and then they embraced it.
“It’s a style of play that takes time to implement, and you need the environment that gives you that time.
“That’s why I’m cautious. It needs to fit.”
That accords with Lerner’s vision for Villa after the American banking billionaire realised he can’t compete with Manchester City’s spending and needs to find another way to build a sustainable model.
He wants a boss he can work with rather than be confrontational after falling out with O’Neill over transfer plans.
Klinsmann’s gentlemanly style is just right – and he also has the standing in the game both to inspire the young players coming through the club’s academy scheme as well as manage the senior stars bought by O’Neill. Klinsmann had begun a behind-the-scenes revolution improving Bayern Munich’s youth structure before falling out with directors who were impatient for first-team results.
Link
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Jurgen-Klinsmann-is-top-of-Aston-Villa-s-wish-list-to-become-their-next-manager-article567061.html
Some very similar wording there to the Club's statement and The General's comments. Coincidence or The Mirror building a story?
The more I read about Klinsmann the more convinced I am that he is the right choice. He and K-Mac could be a perfect partnership that - theoretically - would please everyone.
The fact that he's out of a job just makes it a no-brainer for me. Would he be happy living and working in Birmingham though?
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If I was Lerner I'd hire K Mac for one year and a team option and emphasis that Villa is a "family/loyal" club (which is the trait that apparently appeals to the likes of Ireland.) If at the end of the year he doesn't work out, then who knows who will be available?
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Why waste a year?
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I've been away for a while but before I went there was a lot of talk about Bilic which now seems to have disappeared, did he rule himself out?
I think Bilic would be an excellent choice! A young, enthusiastic, intelligent manager (who holds a law degree lol) speaks fluent English, German and Italian (therefore able to communicate with players outside of the British Isles) who gets his team well organised, tactically aware of the opposition (they pulled our pants down under Mclaren and were also suffering some key injuries when we played them under Capello) Builds an extremely competitive team with great team spirit with a good blend of flair and brawn. He wants to manage in the Premier League - and loves England. Although unproven at club level he's gotta be worth a go. He's in my top 3 managerial wish list - gotta be worth an interview!?
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Old Jurgen could certainly learn our forwards a thing or two about goal scoring.
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Please Randy, not Mark Hughes
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I dont think he will be in the 'final five' to be interviewed, but I think someone who fits the bill is Owen Coyle.
I think he did as good a job as he could at Burnley and he has done well so far at Bolton. I know its not an appointment that would blow your socks off but he is well thought of, up and coming and I think he could work with K.Mac.
That said Bolton might not be too happy after having him for less than a year.
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Is Randt waiting to see how well a Mac appointment will go down. I am getting so cynical.
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This appointment will outline Randys ambition.
Let's hope he gets it right.
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Randy putting nearly a quarter of a billion squid into the club has outlined his ambition already.
Whoever he appoints will not change that.
However, I think he will appoint a "name" so dont worry.
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Randy putting nearly a quarter of a billion squid into the club has outlined his ambition already.
Whoever he appoints will not change that.
However, I think he will appoint a "name" so dont worry.
I agree, but I just worry that all the hard work in the past could be undone by appointing MacDonald.
He's a great coach and has done a fantastic job as a reserve coach but I'm not convinced he's the man to take us forward.
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Randy putting nearly a quarter of a billion squid into the club has outlined his ambition already.
Whoever he appoints will not change that.
I'm not so sure. All the money he's put in so far is in the form of equity or debt, so it's still 'his' even though we've benefitted from it. And for the record I have no problem with that. But if it's no a case of no further money and running things from within our own turnover, then I don't think bettering 6th is possible. Further investment is unfortunately needed to propel us those couple of places higher to get CL football. Investment which he would again benefit from as he sees his asset (the club) worth more and making more money. The question is does he have the inclination to do that? Past experience would say 'yes', but this window and a manager walking due to disagreements over money would at least suggest 'no'.
Then we come to the issue of a new manager. Any 'top name' we want would only come if he thought he would be successful and in order to do that he would need money to work with. So if we get Hiddink I think it's fair to say Randy's looking to complete what he's started. However, if we get a manager who we could class as lucky to get the job, then I think it may be a case of now further monetary injection and we run ourselves as a top half club with regular Europa the realistic target.
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'regular Europa as a realistic target'
If that is true, why, when we qualify for Europa do we not bother ?
Both MON and KM played reserves in both games and on both occasions we were dumped out by a lesser team on paper.
If that is the target - at least be serious about winning the Europa Cup, a lesser cup than the one we one a number of years back.
Re. new Manager, does anyone know what timescale the biard are working to --- is it still a Manager in place for the next game ?
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John, the bottom line is Randy has funded this club lavishly by his own means and certainly by our recent history. Thats not just transfer fees but in all areas.
Whatever reason MON walked away, it wasnt because Randy hasnt supported him so we can put that one to bed.
If he was asked to help clean up his own mess thats fair enough and it doesnt mean Randy wont spend again in the future. He most certainly will in my opinion.
If Randy appointed K Mac for instance, beacuse he backed a hunch he may have what it takes, yet backed him heavily in the transfer market, what would that say about his ambitions? Its just not that simple.
I dont think Randy should have his ambition questioned at this stage regardless of who he appoints.
That's not to say he can never be questioned but he has done enough to be cut some slack and not have his ambition questioned in my opinion.
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Re. new Manager, does anyone know what timescale the biard are working to --- is it still a Manager in place for the next game ?
I really hope someone is in place by this weekend.
That gives them a full week to prepare for Stoke
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I dont think Randy should have his ambition questioned at this stage regardless of who he appoints.
That's not to say he can never be questioned but he has done enough to be cut some slack and not have his ambition questioned in my opinion.
Quite. He has taken a hospital pass off O'Neill and he has the right not to spunk millions on a quick fix.
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Re. new Manager, does anyone know what timescale the biard are working to --- is it still a Manager in place for the next game ?
I really hope someone is in place by this weekend.
That gives them a full week to prepare for Stoke
With players away in international duty, dont think it matters all that much.
Having said that, how many are actually on international duty?
Dunne, Collins, Carew....any involved with England?
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Ashley Young, and I think Carew has pulled out.
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John, the bottom line is Randy has funded this club lavishly by his own means and certainly by our recent history. Thats not just transfer fees but in all areas.
Whatever reason MON walked away, it wasnt because Randy hasnt supported him so we can put that one to bed.
If he was asked to help clean up his own mess thats fair enough and it doesnt mean Randy wont spend again in the future. He most certainly will in my opinion.
If Randy appointed K Mac for instance, beacuse he backed a hunch he may have what it takes, yet backed him heavily in the transfer market, what would that say about his ambitions? Its just not that simple.
I dont think Randy should have his ambition questioned at this stage regardless of who he appoints.
That's not to say he can never be questioned but he has done enough to be cut some slack and not have his ambition questioned in my opinion.
Yes, he's been amazing for us so far and nobody can question that. And I'm not saying he is or isn't going to stop doing what he's been doing. In all honesty I don't think we need a £40-50m spend each summer anymore. Natural wastage will mean a few leaving for decent money, which is then re-invested, and our increased revenue, such as the new sponsorship deal, means we can generate funds ourselves, meaning we may only need an additional £10m or so to do what is necessary. So I have no issue with the outside investment being reduced, just that I don't think it should be cut off completely. I'd even be OK with a mediocre season while the wagesbill issue is addressed so we can then go at it again in 2011/2012. However, following a lot of speculation in terms of spending being cut, we have just had a summer where the manager has walked, we've reduced the wages, made a transfer profit of £16m and are likely to appoint a cheap option as our new manager.
I think it's a case of 'wait and see' as to whether these things are a matter of unfortunate cuircumsatnce or a sign of our levelling out as 6th at best.
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Appointing KM would be a simple statement that ambition has fallen behind cost cutting in our list of priorities. There'd be no other good reason for appointing him.
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There has been absolutely nothing at all to suggest transfer investment has been "cut off completely", though, nothing at all. In fact, far from it, everything the club has said has pointed to the opposite of this.
Unfortunately, what will happen now, with the window closed, nothing spent, and no manager appointed, is that people will suggest it was timed to rule out transfer spending. Whether there's any truth in that won't actually matter, because people are still going to make the accusation, and that's where the damage is done.
Being asked to reign in the spending / cut the wage bill for one season, for example, doesn't really strike me as anything out of the ordinary. There is only one manager in the league who can engage in unfettered spending, and that's Mancini. Managing the squad in terms of ins and outs, within the constraints of a budget, is surely one of the key parts of running a football club - for both the chairman and the manager.
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I dont think Randy should have his ambition questioned at this stage regardless of who he appoints.
That's not to say he can never be questioned but he has done enough to be cut some slack and not have his ambition questioned in my opinion.
Quite. He has taken a hospital pass off O'Neill and he has the right not to spunk millions on a quick fix.
How convenient.
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Aston Villa are too big a club to be giving rookie managers time to find out whether they can hack it or not in the big time. He needs to have managed in the lower leagues at least. KMac has no experience at this level, ie. at being the manager of any club, the pressures that have been on him up until now are not comparable in my opinion to what he will be dealing with if given the job. KMac being appointed will set the club back a few years. A niaive move by Lerner if this proves the case.
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I dont think Randy should have his ambition questioned at this stage regardless of who he appoints.
That's not to say he can never be questioned but he has done enough to be cut some slack and not have his ambition questioned in my opinion.
Quite. He has taken a hospital pass off O'Neill and he has the right not to spunk millions on a quick fix.
How convenient.
Convenient is the very last thing I imagine he sees it as.
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'regular Europa as a realistic target'
If that is true, why, when we qualify for Europa do we not bother ?
Both MON and KM played reserves in both games and on both occasions we were dumped out by a lesser team on paper.
If that is the target - at least be serious about winning the Europa Cup, a lesser cup than the one we one a number of years back.
Can't argue with that. It seems so pointless to work so hard in a season to finish, 5th or 6th and then throw in the towel when we do reach the Europa. My favourite season of the MON era was 08/09 when we had Thursday night games against the likes of Ajax. Being in European competition is where it is at and there was no point treating the Europa with so little respect.
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What other job would Kevin McDonald be considered for in the EPL? would be a nonsensical appointment.
Carlos Queiroz is coming to the Villa....I hope
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He has taken a hospital pass off O'Neill and he has the right not to spunk millions on a quick fix.
How convenient.
No, not really. I'm sure we all have better things to do than start the season in the shit.
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There has been absolutely nothing at all to suggest transfer investment has been "cut off completely", though, nothing at all.
Well, other than the fact that we haven't spent anything this summer and have made a £20m profit. I'm not suggesting that was their intention all along but I'm sure they're not that upset by the chance to take a breather.
As most of us have said from the start, what they do next will show everything about their current and future ambitions. The statement on Sunday was encouraging, they now need to walk the walk.
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There has been absolutely nothing at all to suggest transfer investment has been "cut off completely", though, nothing at all. In fact, far from it, everything the club has said has pointed to the opposite of this.
Unfortunately, what will happen now, with the window closed, nothing spent, and no manager appointed, is that people will suggest it was timed to rule out transfer spending. Whether there's any truth in that won't actually matter, because people are still going to make the accusation, and that's where the damage is done.
Being asked to reign in the spending / cut the wage bill for one season, for example, doesn't really strike me as anything out of the ordinary. There is only one manager in the league who can engage in unfettered spending, and that's Mancini. Managing the squad in terms of ins and outs, within the constraints of a budget, is surely one of the key parts of running a football club - for both the chairman and the manager.
My issue is not with what they have said, but rather with what they have done, which is cut wages and made a transfer profit. Now, we can blame that on the timing of MON's departure if you like, but it's what happens from here that will decide whether that's right or not. And IMO appointing a manager like K-Mac does point towards a lack of available funds.
I completely agree with your last paragraph, but again have we had a window where we've taken one step backwards in order to take two forward or a sign of thing to come?
I'm not trying to criticise Randy, but I am questioning him. A question he will go a long way to answering by who our next manager is. Ultimately I think 01/09/11 is the point at which we'll know for sure!
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Have we got a manager yet? or are we wasting a few seasons with kmac?
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I'm in agreement with Chris. If they appoint a decent long term boss, then the lack of transfer activity this summer is a legitimate casualty of the need to get the appointment right. If after all this time they appoint KM, then not only will it be the half arsed budget option, it'll also leave the unshakable feeling that they've left it this long so as not to spend any money. I'm hoping for the former option, obviously.
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So we've all decided that K Mac is incapable of managing Villa then?
When did we decide that and based on what?
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So we've all decided that K Mac is incapable of managing Villa then?
When did we decide that and based on what?
He isn't totally incapable, I just don't think he'll be very good at it. Based on the fact he has no experience and the dreadful performances in most of our games under him so far, and the fact that it's taken him til now to even decide if he wants a crack at it.
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So we've all decided that K Mac is incapable of managing Villa then?
When did we decide that and based on what?
Is that who you want Mazrim - Kevin Mac ?
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Has anyone got the latest odds please?
I'm considering a lunch time visit to the bookies.
(and can't access gambling websites at work)
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Have we got a manager yet? or are we wasting a few seasons with kmac?
Yes we have. I'm surprised you missed the announcement.
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From the club statement
Two of the traits we believe are of crucial importance are that candidates have experience of managing in the Premier League
MacDonald hasn't got that.
3 games is not experience.
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Kevin Mac hasn't been appointed yet I know, but if he were to be. There is absolutely no way to justify a reason for employing him over the other managers who would have applied.
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So we've all decided that K Mac is incapable of managing Villa then?
When did we decide that and based on what?
He isn't totally incapable, I just don't think he'll be very good at it. Based on the fact he has no experience and the dreadful performances in most of our games under him so far, and the fact that it's taken him til now to even decide if he wants a crack at it.
Mazrim, you cannot seriously say that after all that's happened you would be happy with Mac? Of course he would be supported by everyone but at the back of peoples minds would be that it took the board a month to decide that he was the best that they could get.
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So we've all decided that K Mac is incapable of managing Villa then?
When did we decide that and based on what?
Is that who you want Mazrim - Kevin Mac ?
No, I want Guus Hiddink. But I dont know how good or bad K Mac will be before he has a crack at it. If he does.
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http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager
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So we've all decided that K Mac is incapable of managing Villa then?
When did we decide that and based on what?
He isn't totally incapable, I just don't think he'll be very good at it. Based on the fact he has no experience and the dreadful performances in most of our games under him so far, and the fact that it's taken him til now to even decide if he wants a crack at it.
Mazrim, you cannot seriously say that after all that's happened you would be happy with Mac? Of course he would be supported by everyone but at the back of peoples minds would be that it took the board a month to decide that he was the best that they could get.
I'd be happy to give him a chance if he was decided as the best candidate, which I dont think will happen by the way. I disagree that he would be supported by everyone.
Why shouldn't the board consider him as any other candidate if he's put his name forward and gets an interview? And why shouldn't the board take the time to consider who the best candidate is, even if it ends up being MacDonald?
By the way, Jurgen Klinsmann at 45s with betfair? I think I might have some of that. He's my tip.
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The board should consider him as any other candidate. If he is the best candidate then I seriously worry about the other shit that have applied.
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Kmc's tenure has been patchy to say the least but I wouldn't be aghast if he were to be appointed, like many others I would think that leaving it till now said a lot about the ambition for this season though.
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Kevin Mac hasn't been appointed yet I know, but if he were to be. There is absolutely no way to justify a reason for employing him over the other managers who would have applied.
Just playing Devil's Advocate, but how can we say that when we don't know who's applied?
And my other beef is this whole application/interview process. Should we not be deciding who WE want and then going and getting him?
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If it ends up being KM, he won't be the best option, he'll be the cheapest.
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No, I want Guus Hiddink. But I dont know how good or bad K Mac will be before he has a crack at it. If he does.
Doesn't it strike you though that there's a massive disparity between Hiddink and, should we appoint him, MacDonald? It's very difficult to believe that MacDonald will turn out to be of the same calibre as Hiddink. To be honest, I'd be very surprised if he turns out to be of the same calibre as O'Neill.
Your point about not knowing how bad good or bad MacDonald might be is precisely the reason why we shouldn't even be thinking about appointing him.
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I'd be happy to give him a chance if he was decided as the best candidate, which I dont think will happen by the way. I disagree that he would be supported by everyone.
Why shouldn't the board consider him as any other candidate if he's put his name forward and gets an interview? And why shouldn't the board take the time to consider who the best candidate is, even if it ends up being MacDonald?
By the way, Jurgen Klinsmann at 45s with betfair? I think I might have some of that. He's my tip.
I entirely agree that he should be given the same courtesy as the other candidates but he’s in the unique position of having a trial period of games, that imo he hasn’t come through with flying colours. I could stomach the Newcastle result if he learnt from his mistakes which for me he didn’t, we would still have ended up with Ireland and Petrov in the middle against Everton but for the unfortunate injury to Ireland that required NRC to come into the team.
As PTV said you would worry about the other candidates if he were to get the job. We should be able to attract a better manager.
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No, I want Guus Hiddink. But I dont know how good or bad K Mac will be before he has a crack at it. If he does.
Doesn't it strike you though that there's a massive disparity between Hiddink and, should we appoint him, MacDonald? It's very difficult to believe that MacDonald will turn out to be of the same calibre as Hiddink. To be honest, I'd be very surprised if he turns out to be of the same calibre as O'Neill.
Your point about not knowing how bad good or bad MacDonald might be is precisely the reason why we shouldn't even be thinking about appointing him.
Yes, and as I've said, I'd rather appoint a top manager. But I'd rather go with MacDonald than a manager we know is shit. Because there isn't anybody, despite claiming prophecy, who knows the extent of Kevin MacDonalds ability as a manager.
But without doubt, I would rather we didn't have to gamble to that extent and we appointed a top manager. If we can do that, and I think we can and will, great.
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we should not be taking a risk on an unknown manager , we should be appointing an experienced manager who has managed at the top level and has good european contacts and a track record as a manager.
sven has that as does koeman and they both would like the job so how could kmac be better than either of those? cheaper -yes, better - no way
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But I'd rather go with MacDonald than a manager we know is shit. Because there isn't anybody, despite claiming prophecy, who knows the extent of Kevin MacDonalds ability as a manager.
But that's not the choice is it? And no, no-one can say whether MacDonald will be good, bad or indifferent, but it's possible to have an educated guess. There is a reason why most coaches are just coaches, as opposed to being managers. It's the same reason why most caretakers, when given the job full-time, turn out to be disasters.
Of course it's possible that MacDonald could turn out to be as good as Eriksson, Klinsmann and the rest, but is it likely?
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I'm in agreement with Chris. If they appoint a decent long term boss, then the lack of transfer activity this summer is a legitimate casualty of the need to get the appointment right. If after all this time they appoint KM, then not only will it be the half arsed budget option, it'll also leave the unshakable feeling that they've left it this long so as not to spend any money. I'm hoping for the former option, obviously.
I agree with this too. If after sitting out the transfer window with an £18m profit and a squad in need of strengthening they then appoint the guy who has been managing the whole time, there will be a perception that they held off to save money. I think a MacDonald appointment would indicate that they wanted him the whole time. If that's the case, they should have sorted it out a while ago so he could have a crack in the transfer window.
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Jesus H Christ
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But I'd rather go with MacDonald than a manager we know is shit. Because there isn't anybody, despite claiming prophecy, who knows the extent of Kevin MacDonalds ability as a manager.
But that's not the choice is it? And no, no-one can say whether MacDonald will be good, bad or indifferent, but it's possible to have an educated guess. There is a reason why most coaches are just coaches, as opposed to being managers. It's the same reason why most caretakers, when given the job full-time, turn out to be disasters.
Of course it's possible that MacDonald could turn out to be as good as Eriksson, Klinsmann and the rest, but is it likely?
Well, I'm not really arguing. I'm also wary of being considered some sort of champion of K Mac when I'm not really.
My issue is that appointing K Mac would be viewed as a cost cutting option rather than just what it would probably most likely be: a man who is already fully familiar with the squad we have having a short term crack at making the job his own. This isnt anybodys coach, its ours. And a highly repsected one at that.
And really, after the money Randy has put in to this club, claiming he'd be trying to save a few quid here and there on the difference between K Macs and say, Koemans wages is just a load of bollocks in my opinion. A complete joke.
Anyway, there you go. I'd like Hiddink, I think it will be Klinsmann (which I'd be happy with too) and I think the list will comprise of: Eriksson, Koeman, Klinsmann, MacDonald and McLaren. With Hitzfeld, Moyes, Hughes, Hiddink and Queiroz as (varyingly difficult) possibilities.
I also dont think any expense will be spared in getting the right man (Randy has shown this in American Football) and any new manager will be backed in the transfer market, even if it is MacDonald.
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The main thing that concerns me about KMacs potential appointment is what has been touched on by many others before me, the fact that it seems to have taken a bloody eternity for him to decide that he even wants the job. Combine this with what he even sees as being naive decisions - see the Newcastle debacle to boot - I really do not think he is the man for us at this point in time. We cannot really afford to gamble on an unknown quantity such as KMac right now. In a worse case scenario, we could have a turd season under his tenure and find ourselves next Summer with all our top performers wanting out and resigning free agent Lee Hendrie. The last bit was a bit overkill but you see my point.
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
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Well, I'm not really arguing. I'm also wary of being considered some sort of champion of K Mac when I'm not really.
But you know there are no nuances in here. You are either on the grassy knoll or you are a Randy arselicker .
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And really, after the money Randy has put in to this club, claiming he'd be trying to save a few quid here and there on the difference between K Macs and say, Koemans wages is just a load of bollocks in my opinion. A complete joke.
I don't think he'd appoint K-Mac to save on the manager's wages, but to avoid spending transfer funds, and resultant wages issues, a top new manager would want.
Actually, the word 'think' is to strong, more a cautious concern!
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
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Do clubs usually have a list of applicants? I thought only international teams did that?
Most seem to go out and target someone.
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Well, I'm not really arguing. I'm also wary of being considered some sort of champion of K Mac when I'm not really.
My issue is that appointing K Mac would be viewed as a cost cutting option rather than just what it would probably most likely be: a man who is already fully familiar with the squad we have having a short term crack at making the job his own. This isnt anybodys coach, its ours. And a highly repsected one at that.
And really, after the money Randy has put in to this club, claiming he'd be trying to save a few quid here and there on the difference between K Macs and say, Koemans wages is just a load of bollocks in my opinion. A complete joke.
Anyway, there you go. I'd like Hiddink, I think it will be Klinsmann (which I'd be happy with too) and I think the list will comprise of: Eriksson, Koeman, Klinsmann, MacDonald and McLaren. With Hitzfeld, Moyes, Hughes, Hiddink and Queiroz as (varyingly difficult) possibilities.
I also dont think any expense will be spared in getting the right man (Randy has shown this in American Football) and any new manager will be backed in the transfer market, even if it is MacDonald.
Fair play to you. As it goes, if MacDonald was to be appointed I think it would be less to do with a desire to save money than a misguided belief that because he is a quality coach he will prove to be a quality manager. I'm not saying it's impossible but I am saying he probably has a lower chance of success than most, if not all, of the other names you mention.
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
Now I think about it, he's nailed on.
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If the decision is to go with Kevin then I think, as has been touched on before, he's going to need a bit of help. It's all very well having the player here like him and being a respected coach, that doesn't prepare you for making the difficult selection decisions, buying and selling players or dealing with the media.
Without that then it's a strategy designed for steady as she goes rather than full steam ahead.
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If the decision is to go with Kevin then I think, as has been touched on before, he's going to need a bit of help. It's all very well having the player here like him and being a respected coach, that doesn't prepare you for making the difficult selection decisions, buying and selling players or dealing with the media.
That being the case, it would seem a better idea to leave him as coach, because that's what he is proven to be very good at, and just appoint a manager as normal.
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
Now I think about it, he's nailed on.
I can just see what wouldhat happen if we appointed him, loads of trouble a slow, steady slump, but then a massive turn around come Easter.
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If the decision is to go with Kevin then I think, as has been touched on before, he's going to need a bit of help. It's all very well having the player here like him and being a respected coach, that doesn't prepare you for making the difficult selection decisions, buying and selling players or dealing with the media.
That being the case, it would seem a better idea to leave him as coach, because that's what he is proven to be very good at, and just appoint a manager as normal.
That would be my preferred option. As mentioned before a Klinsmann/K-Mac dream team would suit me fine!
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
Now I think about it, he's nailed on.
I can just see what wouldhat happen if we appointed him, loads of trouble a slow, steady slump, but then a massive turn around come Easter.
BRILLIANT made me laugh !
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I can just see what wouldhat happen if we appointed him, loads of trouble a slow, steady slump, but then a massive turn around come Easter.
It would be worse than a slow steady slump - I reckon we wouldn't even get started until Christmas!
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I think the majority of Villa fans think the same way, they have a lot of respect for KMac and want him at the club, but not as Manager.
If Randy & Co. appoint him, I think it will be a decision based on lack of alternatives who are in budget and available.
'In budget' is not just his salary package, it also includes the ( I would guess, verbally demonstrable) abililty to manage on a shoestring.
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I think whoever gets the job has to be given the freedom to choose his own staff - it's no good making kmac assistant if the new man wants his own people.
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As much as I enjoy watching the football that the reserves play under KMac for several years
I really can't see the guy being the right man for the top job-
He has been content with reserve team management for 14 years at Villa Park, which
would suggest he is in the 'comfort zone' and has found his level (maybe he has applied
for the no.1 jobs in the lower leagues but clearly hasn't been successful) -
The West Ham match apart .........we haven't performed well or controlled any game
whilst KMac has been in charge which could be be put down to team selection and tactics-
An hour before the Everton match I heard (reliable source) that KMac & TMc were returning
to normal duties on the following day, but yesterday KMac threw his hat into the ring -
It appears that some senior members of the squad are backing him to be the No.1 ,
notably the current captain, who in many fans' opinion shouldn't be in the starting line up!
From the outset I voted for Slaven Bilic and the longer this saga has gone on I feel he
could be the man for us. Apart from Klinsmann none of the other rumoured candidates
do anything for me.............I really wish Randy & his team would get on and appoint
without any further delay
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I think the majority of Villa fans think the same way, they have a lot of respect for KMac and want him at the club, but not as Manager.
If Randy & Co. appoint him, I think it will be a decision based on lack of alternatives who are in budget and available.
'In budget' is not just his salary package, it also includes the ( I would guess, verbally demonstrable) abililty to manage on a shoestring.
And why would the new manager be managing on a shoestring?
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If the decision is to go with Kevin then I think, as has been touched on before, he's going to need a bit of help. It's all very well having the player here like him and being a respected coach, that doesn't prepare you for making the difficult selection decisions, buying and selling players or dealing with the media.
That being the case, it would seem a better idea to leave him as coach, because that's what he is proven to be very good at, and just appoint a manager as normal.
Or that he has impressed in his interview and they feel he is worth nurturing.
My prefernce is for a proven manager, I'm just suggesting what I think should happen if Kevin is their prefered choice although of course I realise that what is said on here has no bearing on their thinking.
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Kevin Mac hasn't been appointed yet I know, but if he were to be. There is absolutely no way to justify a reason for employing him over the other managers who would have applied.
Just playing Devil's Advocate, but how can we say that when we don't know who's applied?
And my other beef is this whole application/interview process. Should we not be deciding who WE want and then going and getting him?
This 'who's applied' thing is a red herring though. the top managers don't apply for posts they wait to be approached. I remember George Graham commenting about a certain job only a few seasons back and the presenter asked whether he was interested in it or had applied. he said that he no longer applies for jobs because his cv speaks for itself. If he is wanted it is for the club to approach him and not the other way round.
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I remember George Graham commenting about a certain job only a few seasons back
He hasn't been linked to a job since Rangers appointed Walter Smith second time round. His cv speaks for itself alright, he is an arrogant crook
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That would unemployed George Graham?
Sure managers apply for Jobs. Even some of the best ones.
Out of work managers apply for jobs and in work managers have to be applied for.
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
Now I think about it, he's nailed on.
I can just see what wouldhat happen if we appointed him, loads of trouble a slow, steady slump, but then a massive turn around come Easter.
under the previous manager our campaign died around March/easter so I'd expect him to be able to rise the season from the dead. But, i'm not expecting him to turn water into wine he can only work with what he's got. Conversley, I think his dad is even better then him.
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and in work managers have to be applied for.
After making it known they would like to be "applied for".
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Wasn't there am issue with cloughie at derby where he made it known the villa job interested him but the board said he had to apply and he said he wouldn't apply but would take it if offered to him? There was a stand off and he stayed at derby- the rest is history!
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I think the majority of Villa fans think the same way, they have a lot of respect for KMac and want him at the club, but not as Manager.
If Randy & Co. appoint him, I think it will be a decision based on lack of alternatives who are in budget and available.
'In budget' is not just his salary package, it also includes the ( I would guess, verbally demonstrable) abililty to manage on a shoestring.
And why would the new manager be managing on a shoestring?
Why? Because he may be told too like MON was.
Shoestring may be a bit harsh, maybe ' acting in the club's best interest' is the way to put it - the PC way to put it.
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
Now I think about it, he's nailed on.
I can just see what wouldhat happen if we appointed him, loads of trouble a slow, steady slump, but then a massive turn around come Easter.
Even when he's gone his followers will worship him for ever. Oops, no that's Martin ONeill!
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That would unemployed George Graham?
Sure managers apply for Jobs. Even some of the best ones.
Out of work managers apply for jobs and in work managers have to be applied for.
You think Mourinho applies for jobs? Not at all.
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That would unemployed George Graham?
Sure managers apply for Jobs. Even some of the best ones.
Out of work managers apply for jobs and in work managers have to be applied for.
You think Mourinho applies for jobs? Not at all.
O.K, that's one, the best one in the world...
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I think in a game with so many agents and club officials there are plenty of ways of making it clear you're interested in jobs without formally applying for them.
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
The beer and wine sales would slump. People would only need to bring in flasks of water.
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
The beer and wine sales would slump. People would only need to bring in flasks of water.
Blasphemers! Burn the blasphemers!
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Jesus H Christ
By appointing him Randy would just show we are depending on miracles and as he is supposedly omnipresent, why didnt we appoint him years ago? I would ask "where has the money gone" and "Why have we got the only Billionaire who doesn't have any money" and I'd also be a spoilt brat.
At least he's sort the crosses out.
The beer and wine sales would slump. People would only need to bring in flasks of water.
Blasphemers! Burn the blasphemers!
All I said was that the Aston Villa job was good enough for Jehova!
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He said the name of the Lord! Stone him!
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That would unemployed George Graham?
Sure managers apply for Jobs. Even some of the best ones.
Out of work managers apply for jobs and in work managers have to be applied for.
You think Mourinho applies for jobs? Not at all.
O.K, that's one, the best one in the world...
Koeman said that we'd been in touch with his agents. There's two the latter not being the best in the world.
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In the vacuum of any knowledge, the same arguments are repeated, day after day after day. Meanwhile productivity in the UK plc slumps.
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I've just stuck a tenner on Jurgen the German, mainly to relieve the boredom.
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What are you saying exactly Peter, that good managers dont apply for jobs? You dont think anybody has applied for the Villa job who would be considered a good manager?
Is there even a better managerial job available in Europe right now? In the world?
Of course there will be high profile applicants.
And did Koeman say we got in touch with his agent first or just that we'd been in touch with his agent?
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What are you saying exactly Peter, that good managers dont apply for jobs? You dont think anybody has applied for the Villa job who would be considered a good manager?
Is there even a better managerial job available in Europe right now? In the world?
Of course there will be high profile applicants.
And did Koeman say we got in touch with his agent first or just that we'd been in touch with his agent?
All I'm saying is that not every manager will apply for a job. Some will and thos ethat think they dion't need to won't. Moyes, for example, won't have applied for the job but I bet we've contacted his agent sounding him out. On the other hand I bet the Likes of Curbishley would have to apply. Hiddink? No. Sven? probably not.
As for Koeman he said we'd been in touch with his agent. Whichever way you look at it that means he didn't apply. Same can be said of Jol. Managers already at a football club are less likely to apply for a job lest it undermines their current position.
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I've just stuck a tenner on Jurgen the German, mainly to relieve the boredom.
I've put a tenner of Walter Smith just for the fun of it.
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In the vacuum of any knowledge, the same arguments are repeated, day after day after day. Meanwhile productivity in the UK plc slumps.
We've gone from arguing about who it should be, to who it will be, and from that onto what the appointment process is.
I've been doing some work today instead. I've got loads done, and I'm not nearly as wound up as I was about it all yesterday.
It's better like that, I think.
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We've gone from arguing about who it should be, to who it will be, and from that onto what the appointment process is.
I've been doing some work today instead. I've got loads done, and I'm not nearly as wound up as I was about it all yesterday.
It's better like that, I think.
Well done, Paulie. The drama queen outfit never really suited you. (winky)
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We've gone from arguing about who it should be, to who it will be, and from that onto what the appointment process is.
I've been doing some work today instead. I've got loads done, and I'm not nearly as wound up as I was about it all yesterday.
It's better like that, I think.
Well done, Paulie. The drama queen outfit never really suited you. (winky)
Yup.
*smokes 12 cigarettes simultaneously*
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He said the name of the Lord! Stone him!
I have heard he is "stoned" quite often!
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Some of you have fucking money to burn!!
A tenner on Walter Smith, you could have give it me & i'd have liquidized your assetts
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Some of you have fucking money to burn!!
A tenner on Walter Smith, you could have give it me & i'd have liquidized your assetts
You never know, based on something I was told. Completely unreliable source but one of those things that you think if you don't do something you would be spitting feathers if it happened.
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Some of you have fucking money to burn!!
A tenner on Walter Smith, you could have give it me & i'd have liquidized your assetts
I spent a lot more than that in Walter Smith's at the weekend.
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We've gone from arguing about who it should be, to who it will be, and from that onto what the appointment process is.
I've been doing some work today instead. I've got loads done, and I'm not nearly as wound up as I was about it all yesterday.
It's better like that, I think.
Well done, Paulie. The drama queen outfit never really suited you. (winky)
Actually I thought the shoes were very fetching.
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Right, one answer.
You've one choice. Who do you think it'll be?
I reckon Sven.
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Jurgen the German, sitting in his tank, reading the beano and having a crafty wank.
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Klinsmann.
All the clues point that way at least.
Wouldn't be my choice but there you go.
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The club saying the new manager needs Premier League experience is a clue which points to Klinsmann?
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The club saying the new manager needs Premier League experience is a clue which points to Klinsmann?
Didn't the General clarify that by saying it didn't necessarily have to be managerial experience in the Premier League?
Klinsmann has playing experience in the PL.
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The General used the phrase 'must know the league' or similar did he not? I'd say Klinsmann has a pretty good appreciation of the league even if he hasn't managed in it.
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Houllier.
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Guus Hiddink. Pay the man, he is the best in the World. Wants a challenge, well we can certainly offer him that.
Available? Well he might be and apparently wants to return to club football. Half the Chelsea squad would follow him and he was only there for a short stint. they loved him. 63 young. Use the Milner money to bring him in and we would immediately challenge. Nieve? Probably.
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The club saying the new manager needs Premier League experience is a clue which points to Klinsmann?
Didn't the General clarify that by saying it didn't necessarily have to be managerial experience in the Premier League?
Klinsmann has playing experience in the PL.
Exactly this mate. He played in it.
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I've just stuck a tenner on Jurgen the German, mainly to relieve the boredom.
I've put a tenner of Walter Smith just for the fun of it.
Those steaks are high.
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I've just stuck a tenner on Jurgen the German, mainly to relieve the boredom.
I've put a tenner of Walter Smith just for the fun of it.
Those steaks are high.
Stakes mate. 'Stakes". Unless you are talking about Moon jumping Cows.
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I've just stuck a tenner on Jurgen the German, mainly to relieve the boredom.
I've put a tenner of Walter Smith just for the fun of it.
Those steaks are high.
Stakes mate. 'Stakes". Unless you are talking about Moon jumping Cows.
Woosh (http://waltersmith.co.uk/)
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Heard no Walter Smith rumours. Not a sausage
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Heard no Walter Smith rumours. Not a sausage
He could be the man to save our bacon.
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Heard no Walter Smith rumours. Not a sausage
He could be the man to save our bacon.
Eggsactly
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Heard no Walter Smith rumours. Not a sausage
He could be the man to save our bacon.
I fear he'll soon be for the chop.
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Not heard many 'links' about this.
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That's 'cos they are telling porkies.
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You're all wrong, he'd be offally good.
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oh shit. a punfest.
stop. take the oikment
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Im going to have real beef with the board if he gets it.
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Atleast he's not as pig-headded as MON.
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Tripe absolute tripe
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Maybe he will make mince meat of the opposition?
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ok you win. I just spat half a glass of wine on the bloody keyboard.
You take the bacon.
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well?
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I thought he was lined up to replace Hiddick with the Turkey job? I bet he could do wonders with Stew Downing. Hopefully stop him being such a chicken.
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Fowl!
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What do you expect when I only get to post at the scrag end of punathons.
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I reckon he's been given the bird
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Whilst im at it, why are the board so sheepish at the moment?
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Bloody Hell Mark you really thought about that one.
Now get stuffed.
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They're like rabbits in the headlights.
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Whilst im at it, why are the board so sheepish at the moment?
Wool over the eyes.
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Is it finished now?
Wife is waiting I need to get layed.
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Say what you want about him but he's certainly got a loin heart.
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I'd Like Lawro to manage us, i'd like to see him mincing down the touchline.
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If they appoint a big name, it will be one in the ribeye for the critics
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Heard we're after Owen Coyle now.
Trotters will be pissed off.
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Yup they say the Stoke crowd is crackling with tension
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Ok. well done. Made a bad day into a laugh. Thanks. Mark- you need help mate. Tell us an udder one.
Fuck I have seldom laughed as much as that. Pathetic.
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I have lived in the UK for 43 years and have never heard of Walter Smith being anything to do with food or livestock.
Have I missed the point because the joke is very, very, local?
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It's a chain of butcher's shop's.
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From Pravda's media watch :
"Express and Star: Ronald Koeman today reiterated his desire to manage Villa and claimed his agent has already been contacted by the club with a view to succeeding Martin O'Neill."
I'd rather give it to untried Kevin Mac than to the tried and failed a few times already Koeman.
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He went out with Richard Gere. He liked small rodents. See the connection.
I saw a mouse. Where? There on the stair. Where on the stair? Right there. A little mouse with clogs on. Well
I declare. Walter Smith with a heiffer in hand.
See now? Easy. Good. Well done.
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From Pravda's media watch :
"Express and Star: Ronald Koeman today reiterated his desire to manage Villa and claimed his agent has already been contacted by the club with a view to succeeding Martin O'Neill."
I'd rather give it to untried Kevin Mac than to the tried and failed a few times already Koeman.
McDonald would be rock bottom of my list to take the Villa job. He looks lost on the bench - completely out of his depth. I fear for Villa if he takes over, I really do.
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From Pravda's media watch :
"Express and Star: Ronald Koeman today reiterated his desire to manage Villa and claimed his agent has already been contacted by the club with a view to succeeding Martin O'Neill."
I'd rather give it to untried Kevin Mac than to the tried and failed a few times already Koeman.
McDonald would be rock bottom of my list to take the Villa job. He looks lost on the bench - completely out of his depth. I fear for Villa if he takes over, I really do.
Maybe, given his connection with the players and the club he could do it with a decent coach. I have not written him off. I would support him with a big name alongside. Not a Direcor of Football FCS.
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From Pravda's media watch :
"Express and Star: Ronald Koeman today reiterated his desire to manage Villa and claimed his agent has already been contacted by the club with a view to succeeding Martin O'Neill."
I'd rather give it to untried Kevin Mac than to the tried and failed a few times already Koeman.
McDonald would be rock bottom of my list to take the Villa job. He looks lost on the bench - completely out of his depth. I fear for Villa if he takes over, I really do.
I dont want McDonald to get it, but why should he be rock bottom behind people who as mentioned above have failed multiple times. Koeman is just a name because he was a good player. Rubbish manager!
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I'm with alan _clarke.
Koeman is a name player not manager. We are Aston Villa remember.
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Wasn't Koeman the man that cost Sir Graham his England job? BOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Do I not like THAT
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Wasn't Koeman the man that cost Sir Graham his England job? BOOOOOOO!!!!!
Yes.
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We've found out one of the interviewees. Alan bastard Curbishley.
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Christ all bloody mighty, no no no.
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Right if that's the calibre we are looking at, then keep KMac, he can be no worse.
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It's all gone a bit quiet. Anyone heard* any rumours today?
Also does anyone know where the interviews are taking place? As it would be virtually impossible to smuggle any prospective manager into VP or BH.
* pun not intended.
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It's all gone a bit quiet. Anyone heard* any rumours today?
Also does anyone know where the interviews are taking place? As it would be virtually impossible to smuggle any prospective manager into VP or BH.
* pun not intended.
Spoke to soon. ...the Curbishley bombshell was dropped whilst I was typing. gulp.
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Dave. Are you serious?
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If you are serious Dave, that is an outrage.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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He is being serious.
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In the words of the Churchill dog, oh no.
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Well in which case I reiterate, I would rather have KMac. Curbishley is nowhere near good enough.
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Deep breaths time.
Curbs is just one of those being interviewed so don't mean he's going to get the job.
Hopefully the next name to leak out will elicit something other than a groan.
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I'm curious as to what the board thinks Curbishley offers, he has experience of mid-table and relegation battles. Very Worrying.
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where has this curbishley link come from?
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If Curbishley is on the shortlist, it dose'nt say much for the others on there.
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Oh shit. That is not quite the impressive calibre of candidate I was hoping to hear about.
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As an aside The Express are running a piece tomorrow with Sir Graham giving his opinion as to who the manager should be.
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Nope well I hope three of the candidates are a lot fucking better.
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Crivens. Here come those blues again!
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It brings up the concern that those making the choice don't have the understanding of our knowledge. A CV can tell all or nothing.
Curbishley would elicit boos even before he took his seat in the dugout.
It is just scary that he would make a top five interview. He is a failure. He could break us just by being selected. Our players would not put up with it. We as fans wouldn't.
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Not bleedin Llewellyn Charles Curbishley, really really not what I hoped for. Hopefully they are seeing better than that.
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Curbishley! if that is the best the board can come up with after 3 weeks then they should take a long hard look at themselves.
This man hated playing for the Villa, he is not what we want at this time, a budget shoestring manager with the personality a an old sock.
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Right ok, if Koeman who has won a league title wants the job, then we should not be looking at Curbishley. We shouldn't be looking at him anyway, but experience of mediocrity or worse means fuck all. It would be a massive PR cock up.
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I'm not keen on this interviewing lark. It makes it sound as if the club have no idea who to appoint. I hope it dose'nt go to a second interview.
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Urgh. Reckon you'll find out any others Dave? Curbs being one doesn't fill me with confidence. Koeman is interested, sure, but the fact he's contacting the club and not them contacting him makes me think we may be looking closer to home. Enter Curbs, Southgate, Megson, Allardyce, McCarthy, Sven.. Enter depression.
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I'm not keen on this interviewing lark. It makes it sound as if the club have no idea who to appoint. I hope it dose'nt go to a second interview.
For the second stage they all get together for a fucking teamwork roleplay, probably.
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we are starting too look a joke! seriously have we ever heard of all this malarky at any other club.
Fulham is the example we should be using, identify the man you want then try too get him.
We are interviewing absolute shite!
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curbishly LOL, fuck sake !!
How did you find out dave?
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Interviews, after you have viewed the CV and explored the candidates history are usually about Chemistry. Bloody Nora, he made it that far. That man is not for us. Please God. We will not accept him. RL will be in a pickle then.
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What alarms me is that anybody on the board thinks that Curbishley is anywhere near good enough to be at the club.
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Hmmm. Reckon the board could be devious enough to release a name they know will be deeply unpopular, so that when they announce KM, we'll all go "phew, at least it wasn't Curbishley"?
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What's worrying is that he made the shortlist at all. It's not like you would have four outstanding candidates and Curbishley; that being the case you'd just have a four man shortlist. That he was interviewed must be an indication of the general quality of the list.
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Paul W.
That's my point. How can anybody in authority think he should be even recorded as a possibility. The press would destroy us.
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Hmmm. Reckon the board could be devious enough to release a name they know will be deeply unpopular, so that when they announce KM, we'll all go "phew, at least it wasn't Curbishley"?
Possibly Risso, because I don't want KMac to be the manager, but it made me think exactly that.
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I can only think that he qualifies for automatic interviewing under some sort of disability legislation.
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Hmmm. Reckon the board could be devious enough to release a name they know will be deeply unpopular, so that when they announce KM, we'll all go "phew, at least it wasn't Curbishley"?
Sorry, but I'm the only one to believe in boardroom conspiracies.
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Hmmm. Reckon the board could be devious enough to release a name they know will be deeply unpopular, so that when they announce KM, we'll all go "phew, at least it wasn't Curbishley"?
No. That is what is of concern.
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Curbishley- cheap
Kev Mac - cheap.
I'm spotting a trend.
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Suddenly Sven seems like a great idea... never thought I would think that. I am hoping for Klinsmann now, K Mac & AC are just not what we need in charge of the first team.
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I remember a Man Utd fan writing a while ago that we were like Charlton but with a bigger ground, cheeky ******.
To be fair to Curbishly he did very well there before having a bad time at WHU. If we'd just been relegated then I would not be against it but we qualified for Europe FFS.
It doesn't bode well at all
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Curbishley would certainly achieve the fucking impossible and unite opinion on here. Three votes of the 518 cast in the poll.
He's the sort of appointment we could have made in (pre Randy) 2006 and, had we appointed him then, we'd have been underwhelmed.
It smacks of unimaginative thinking, desperation and cheapness. What is worrying is that desperation is the least prominent of those three factors.
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Hmmm. Reckon the board could be devious enough to release a name they know will be deeply unpopular, so that when they announce KM, we'll all go "phew, at least it wasn't Curbishley"?
No. That is what is of concern.
Should have given that comment some foundation. There are various and serious legal issues here. This cannot be taken lightly. If true.
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Curbishley- cheap
Kev Mac - cheap.
I'm spotting a trend.
curbishley = cheap
kev mac = cheap
moyes = good
two out of 3 are bad :)
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Well, it's certainly Curbed my enthusiasm.
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As I said if Sven and Koeman have said they want the job, whatever you think of them it's ludicrous to think of Curbishley.
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i think the general must of looked on this vote thread and passed it onto lerner that he isnt wanted !! i remember a rant by the general the other week that lerner listens to the fans and takes note on what is said on this board
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He's still 16-1 on paddy power
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I don't want to speak badly of Curbishley because, if true, he wants to manage our football club and that in itself warrants applause. But, God, no.
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Didn't O'clown talk about us competing with the Charlton's of this world? I thought he was a twat not Nostra-fucking-damus.
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Hmmm. Curbishley X Premier League x Champions League and supporters aspirations = Joke.
Now times that by his history and our ambition. ( no discussion on clubs ambition please).
It does not work.
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Hmmm. Reckon the board could be devious enough to release a name they know will be deeply unpopular, so that when they announce KM, we'll all go "phew, at least it wasn't Curbishley"?
The cynic in me thinks this way too.
Was the meeting held at Bodymoor Heath or in 'Burminhum?
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I don't have a problem with him personally, but no way.
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He's still 16-1 on paddy power
25 quid free matched bet for new registrations, too.
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I've got absolutley no problem with KMac being interviewed, he deserves at least that, but Curbishley, Jesus H Christ, no. I'd rather have MON back.
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He's still 16-1 on paddy power
25 quid free matched bet for new registrations, too.
A couple of such bets and he will be bookies favourite by Midnight!
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it cant and wont happen, mr lerner is a intelligent man.....
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Well, it's certainly Curbed my enthusiasm.
Nice.
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We've found out one of the interviewees. Alan bastard Curbishley.
My last game as a season ticket holder was Everton..................RIP Villa.
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We've found out one of the interviewees. Alan bastard Curbishley.
My last game as a season ticket holder was Everton..................RIP Villa.
if he is appointed, i will still go, just to boo the fat ******
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nah, nah the more i think about it dave is so on the wind up, he has got to be winding us up
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Can't place bets on Paddy Power at the moment, it states that the 'event has started'.
Not that I was backing Curbishley!
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We've found out one of the interviewees. Alan bastard Curbishley.
My last game as a season ticket holder was Everton..................RIP Villa.
if he is appointed, i will still go, just to boo the fat c***
Thats no way to talk about Dave !
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Curbs wouldn't be my choice but I'd prefer him to kmac- his record in management at charlton was superb , i'd still prefer Sven or jurgen though.
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the odds checker went bananas for a few minutes. Lee Clark was one of the favourites for a moment and is now bottom on the list.
Curbs can kiss my arse!
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We have just spent a year discussing players but the appointment of a Manager is so much more important.
If we got Harry (special one) Potter or Guus we would immediately become real in everyones eyes. Especially the players. Not possible I know. But Curbishley or anyone of that ilk and we are relegation candidates.
We have to get this one right. Kev Mac with help, BFR (FFS) or Sven is a good discussion.
Who is out there to be a solus Manager? I dunno. But not surely a mid table wannabe. Not Curbs.
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I'm amazed at the negative comments on here about Curbishley. His position at West Ham was untenable prior to that he did a cracking job at Charlton, consistently bought players on and almost got them into Europe a couple of times on a shoestring. He has also played for Villa - alright so he played for the dog shit as well but you can't have it all. Of the people being touted so far, who have prem experience and who are available I think he's about the best candidate.
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You cannot be serious. "The best candidate" ??
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I'm amazed at the negative comments on here about Curbishley. His position at West Ham was untenable prior to that he did a cracking job at Charlton, consistently bought players on and almost got them into Europe a couple of times on a shoestring. He has also played for Villa - alright so he played for the dog shit as well but you can't have it all. Of the people being touted so far, who have prem experience and who are available I think he's about the best candidate.
Keep talking, eventually you will convince yourself. (winky)
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I'm amazed at the negative comments on here about Curbishley. His position at West Ham was untenable prior to that he did a cracking job at Charlton, consistently bought players on and almost got them into Europe a couple of times on a shoestring. He has also played for Villa - alright so he played for the dog shit as well but you can't have it all. Of the people being touted so far, who have prem experience and who are available I think he's about the best candidate.
your one of the 'three' arnt you ?
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I think he's about the best candidate.
Go back 12 months ago and think 'who is likely to be the best candidate for the job if MON were to go', I'll bet that Curbishley wouldn't be in the top 20, what has he done in the last year to be the right one now, other than be available immediately?
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I'm sorry but the thought of us shortlisting - let alone employing - Alan 'Charisma' Curbishley is giving me the shits. He may have done well at Charlton but fell flat on his arse at West Ham, a smaller club than Villa. He's also been watching Jeremy Kyle for the last two years - if he's so good why haven't any other Prem clubs looked at him?
He is nowhere near good enough to manage Villa for one game, let alone the future and if we get him in I will honestly consider going down there again. Randy, if you're reading this or getting messages fed back, don't you bloody well dare.
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I think he's about the best candidate.
Go back 12 months ago and think 'who is likely to be the best candidate for the job if MON were to go', I'll bet that Curbishley wouldn't be in the top 20, what has he done in the last year to be the right one now, other than be available immediately?
He's managed to be third bottom in the poll on this page, and that is a poll started at a time when we had found ourselves unexpectedly forced to find a manager.
This would be a horrible, horrible mistake.
Having said that, I've just lumped 30 quid on with Laddies @ 16/1, just in case.
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I'm amazed at the negative comments on here about Curbishley. His position at West Ham was untenable prior to that he did a cracking job at Charlton, consistently bought players on and almost got them into Europe a couple of times on a shoestring. He has also played for Villa - alright so he played for the dog shit as well but you can't have it all. Of the people being touted so far, who have prem experience and who are available I think he's about the best candidate.
If Curbishley is the best candidate then we should have a guest manager every week, like Have I Got News for You.
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If Curbishley got an interview. I want one!
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I'm amazed at the negative comments on here about Curbishley. His position at West Ham was untenable prior to that he did a cracking job at Charlton, consistently bought players on and almost got them into Europe a couple of times on a shoestring. He has also played for Villa - alright so he played for the dog shit as well but you can't have it all. Of the people being touted so far, who have prem experience and who are available I think he's about the best candidate.
If Curbishley is the best candidate then we should have a guest manager every week, like Have I Got News for You.
Ha ha ha, very good.
Or just let the players manage themselves. Like that school for middle class hippy children. That one from the documentary. Yeah, that one.
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I'm amazed at the negative comments on here about Curbishley. His position at West Ham was untenable prior to that he did a cracking job at Charlton, consistently bought players on and almost got them into Europe a couple of times on a shoestring. He has also played for Villa - alright so he played for the dog shit as well but you can't have it all. Of the people being touted so far, who have prem experience and who are available I think he's about the best candidate.
If Curbishley is the best candidate then we should have a guest manager every week, like Have I Got News for You.
Stephen Fry one week Joe Brand the next sounds good to me
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Interviews have finished- they were conducted in London over last 3 days and randy is heading back to brum tonight- curbs was interviewed , now it's a question of choosing new Manager- hopefully we may hear tomorrow- mirror website confirming interviews at a London hotel.
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I think he's about the best candidate.
Go back 12 months ago and think 'who is likely to be the best candidate for the job if MON were to go', I'll bet that Curbishley wouldn't be in the top 20, what has he done in the last year to be the right one now, other than be available immediately?
He's managed to be third bottom in the poll on this page, and that is a poll started at a time when we had found ourselves unexpectedly forced to find a manager.
This would be a horrible, horrible mistake.
Having said that, I've just lumped 30 quid on with Laddies @ 16/1, just in case.
That's one bet you hope you never win
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but then again he has only been interviewed on his cred from charlton. Dave on the other hand could be bored and decided to cause a rant fest !!
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I think he's about the best candidate.
Go back 12 months ago and think 'who is likely to be the best candidate for the job if MON were to go', I'll bet that Curbishley wouldn't be in the top 20, what has he done in the last year to be the right one now, other than be available immediately?
He's managed to be third bottom in the poll on this page, and that is a poll started at a time when we had found ourselves unexpectedly forced to find a manager.
This would be a horrible, horrible mistake.
Having said that, I've just lumped 30 quid on with Laddies @ 16/1, just in case.
That's one bet you hope you never win
I'd need to put a few grand on it to make up for the sheer disappointment and that's assuming the odds were huge.
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When we were the best team in the world we just had a trainer and the board of directors selected the team every week. It might work again.
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Interviews have finished- they were conducted in London over last 3 days and randy is heading back to brum tonight- curbs was interviewed , now it's a question of choosing new Manager- hopefully we may hear tomorrow- mirror website confirming interviews at a London hotel.
What utter rubbish. If the Mirror knew all that, then they'd know who else was interviewed other than Curbishley.
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Curbs story has been on mirror website for a few hours .
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What utter rubbish. If the Mirror knew all that, then they'd know who else was interviewed other than Curbishley.
Perhaps they just haven't got the stomach to tell us who the others were.
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If this is true about Curbishley then to say I'm underwhelmed is a bit of an understatement. Blimey, aren't we a bit more of a draw as a club? He'd send us backwards and has the charisma of a house brick.
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We knew interviews were starting on Monday anyway and all mirror has revealed is curbs was one and randy and Faulkner have been in a London hotel 3 days conducting them- now randy's heading back , why the heck would the mirror know all the names?
Just because they know curbs was one doesn't mean they know the rest - let's hope for an announcement tomorrow.
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What utter rubbish. If the Mirror knew all that, then they'd know who else was interviewed other than Curbishley.
Perhaps they just haven't got the stomach to tell us who the others were.
Curbishley, Mourinho, Hiddink and two others I'd wager.
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Curbishley, Sanchez, Phil Brown, Jimmy Hill and Barry Fry.
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Curbishley, Jossy from Jossy's Giants, Brendan from Coach Trip, Chantelle from Big Brother and a small lump of rocquefort cheese.
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Some itk on 606 said interviews are. Monday houlier. Tuesday moyes. Wednesday that curb bloke thurs Sven and kmac and anouncmemt Friday
Not sure if I beleive cause if Lerner was spotted in hotel and these managers were there some more news would of broke surley
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We knew interviews were starting on Monday anyway and all mirror has revealed is curbs was one and randy and Faulkner have been in a London hotel 3 days conducting them- now randy's heading back , why the heck would the mirror know all the names?
Just because they know curbs was one doesn't mean they know the rest - let's hope for an announcement tomorrow.
We knew interviews were starting on Monday anyway and all mirror has revealed is curbs was one and randy and Faulkner have been in a London hotel 3 days conducting them- now randy's heading back , why the heck would the mirror know all the names?
Just because they know curbs was one doesn't mean they know the rest - let's hope for an announcement tomorrow.
Why would'nt The Mirror know the names? They claim to know every other aspect of Randy's Lerner's week. The Mirror know sod all, always have done and always will do. I'd be surprised if they held interviews in London of all places, bearing in mind it's where the national media are based.
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Curbishley, Mourinho, Hiddink and two others I'd wager.
We can but hope.
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Some itk on 606 said interviews are. Monday houlier. Tuesday moyes. Wednesday that curb bloke thurs Sven and kmac and anouncmemt Friday
And what makes this person any more 'ITK' *spit* than me saying Monday Curbishley, Tuesday Staunton, Wednesday O'Leary, Thursday Keith Chegwin, Friday Doug Ellis and Saturday we just choose to quietly cease trading?
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Regarding Moyes - My wife works in the city (Liverpool) and was told by two different people today (one a red, the other a blue) that Randy Lerner met with Moyes yesterday in a Liverpool hotel/Bistro.
Furthermore I was told by a trusted friend that Dunne and some of the squad are talking up Moyes as their preferred choice of replacement manager. Dunne still has good friends (in the media) up here on Merseyside and was speaking about this following our victory over Everton.
Could all be bollocks of course, however I have no reason to believe these people are either being mischievous or malicious.
Finally some bookies on Merseyside have suspended betting on Moyes coming to B6 . Only time will tell.
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Of those appearing in the frame Sven is the only credible candidate that can also work with kevin Mac.
I would be dejected if Curbishley got it.
The first people to start defending him would have to be shot too.
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They'd knoW more than you or me clampy, they even know the hotel, maybe they had a tip off about curbs- doesn't follow that they would know the others- and it would be highly stupid to report randy being there with Faulkner if he wasn't there for 3 days.
Why not London? They were hardly going to do them at villa pArk in the media glare.
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If that was the shortlist, with Moyes amongst it, our board need their heads read for even bothering with the others. File under 'horseshit'.
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We knew interviews were starting on Monday anyway and all mirror has revealed is curbs was one and randy and Faulkner have been in a London hotel 3 days conducting them- now randy's heading back , why the heck would the mirror know all the names?
Just because they know curbs was one doesn't mean they know the rest - let's hope for an announcement tomorrow.
We knew interviews were starting on Monday anyway and all mirror has revealed is curbs was one and randy and Faulkner have been in a London hotel 3 days conducting them- now randy's heading back , why the heck would the mirror know all the names?
Just because they know curbs was one doesn't mean they know the rest - let's hope for an announcement tomorrow.
Why would'nt The Mirror know the names? They claim to know every other aspect of Randy's Lerner's week. The Mirror know sod all, always have done and always will do. I'd be surprised if they held interviews in London of all places, bearing in mind it's where the national media are based.
But bear in mind the direct flights from Madrid, Istanbul, Berne, Amsterdam and Liverpool to get the chosen candidates in place.
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I tell you what, it would be good to re do the poll now with 8-10 options that are believed to be in the frame and see who wins now.
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They'd knoW more than you or me clampy, they even know the hotel, maybe they had a tip off about curbs- doesn't follow that they would know the others- and it would be highly stupid to report randy being there with Faulkner if he wasn't there for 3 days.
Why not London? They were hardly going to do them at villa pArk in the media glare.
Yeah, London has no media glare. They probably don't even bother with journalists down there.
One thing - if they "know" about Curbishley, why wouldn't they know about any other name? Why him?
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Regarding moyes it's strange he didn't come out today and commit himself to everton- total silence there.
Why would the new man have to work with kmac? The new man should choose his own staff !
Whatever is going on it seems we may know very soon who our new manager will be.
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Regarding moyes it's strange he didn't come out today and commit himself to everton- total silence there.
I don't believe that Bono comitted himself to U2 today either, but unfortunately they are still together as well.
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can we reset the pole please.
Especially if Randy takes note of this forum ( KM has loads of votes)
Please Please Please
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I would be dejected if Curbishley got it.
The first people to start defending him would have to be shot too.
I read this and laughed. I read it again and it was even funnier. Thanks Rich.
The whole thing is getting wonderfully surreal.
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You could ask dave why he knows only about curbs -maybe he's the only one who has spoken out about being interviewed.
There are plenty hotels in London where randy could conduct interviews away from the press- I'm guessing he chose London to conduct them- but I'm sure the general will confirm this-who cares where they were done as long as we get the right man!
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They'd knoW more than you or me clampy, they even know the hotel, maybe they had a tip off about curbs- doesn't follow that they would know the others- and it would be highly stupid to report randy being there with Faulkner if he wasn't there for 3 days.
Why not London? They were hardly going to do them at villa pArk in the media glare.
Just because they say they know the hotel it dose'nt mean they do. Papers print stuff like that to give their stories a bit more credibility.
As for why not London, I would have thought a hotel in the middle of nowhere would have been better, but that's me.
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Regarding moyes it's strange he didn't come out today and commit himself to everton- total silence there.
I don't believe that Bono comitted himself to U2 today either, but unfortunately they are still together as well.
silly comparison, but true there is no need too deny because it was just a few silly book makers.
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Regarding moyes it's strange he didn't come out today and commit himself to everton- total silence there.
I don't believe that Bono comitted himself to U2 today either, but unfortunately they are still together as well.
Life is cruel and our torment is never ending.
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They'd knoW more than you or me clampy, they even know the hotel, maybe they had a tip off about curbs- doesn't follow that they would know the others- and it would be highly stupid to report randy being there with Faulkner if he wasn't there for 3 days.
Why not London? They were hardly going to do them at villa pArk in the media glare.
Yeah, London has no media glare. They probably don't even bother with journalists down there.
One thing - if they "know" about Curbishley, why wouldn't they know about any other name? Why him?
Thank you Dave.
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Although I don't really want to sound like I'm backing up anything printed in the Mirror, it is possibly worth remembering that London is an exceptionally big place, and it is probably easier to get something like this sorted down there with a bit of confidence.
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Of course clampy the papers aren't always right and are very often wrong , but sometimes they are right.
Did dave woodhall get his curbs news from the mirror website or was he told elsewhere I would like to know.
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Although I don't really want to sound like I'm backing up anything printed in the Mirror, it is possibly worth remembering that London is an exceptionally big place, and it is probably easier to get something like this sorted down there with a bit of confidence.
It rings true to me in the circumstances, as does Curbishley's candidature.
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Do you think we can get no to curbs banners sorted asap and en mass storm the lower holte steps aka newcastle fans?
It is making Sven look a Mourinho esque option.
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It is making Sven look a Mourinho esque option.
In that case, I'm all for it.
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Do you think we can get no to curbs banners sorted asap and en mass storm the lower holte steps aka newcastle fans?
It is making Sven look a Mourinho esque option.
Was it you, Ozzjim, that said Poyet might be an interesting proposition?
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You could ask dave why he knows only about curbs -maybe he's the only one who has spoken out about being interviewed.
Has Curbishley spoken out? And I think I did ask why The Mirror only "knows" about one person. That was the whole point of my retort. The fairly obviously implied suggestion is that this journalist doesn't necessarily "know" anything.
There are plenty hotels in London where randy could conduct interviews away from the press- I'm guessing he chose London to conduct them- but I'm sure the general will confirm this-who cares where they were done as long as we get the right man!
They could be done in Peru or on the moon for all I care. My only issue is that fact that London has been pinpointed as the location by an inaccurate shit-rag like The Mirror as a some sort of indication that they know what they are talking is utter toss.
And I'd be fairly surprised if the General confirmed anything that specific at this juncture.
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It was. Why? He would be more interesting that Allan, I will have caused half the stand to have taken drastic measure to their own life by the end of this sentence, "Curbs" Curbishly. Cretin. Could not be more disappointed with a manager link.
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We know curbs and kmac are 2 of the 5- I'm guessing that the man chosen will be one of the other 3 candidates.I certainly hope so.
Dave moderator, I meant we could ask dave woodhall why he knows about curbs being interviewed and not the others as it was him who broke the story on here a couple of hours ago, maybe curbs has spoken out , but I doubt he will get the job.
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Interviews have finished- they were conducted in London over last 3 days and randy is heading back to brum tonight- curbs was interviewed , now it's a question of choosing new Manager- hopefully we may hear tomorrow- mirror website confirming interviews at a London hotel.
i see nothing on the mirror website
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Moyes is 8-1 on Ladbrokes, so if anyone is taken in by the ITK stuff regarding him, then there's a small killing to be made.
I don't gamble, however.
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Interviews have finished- they were conducted in London over last 3 days and randy is heading back to brum tonight- curbs was interviewed , now it's a question of choosing new Manager- hopefully we may hear tomorrow- mirror website confirming interviews at a London hotel.
i see nothing on the mirror website
Depressingly, it is there:
Mirror article (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Alan-Curbishley-in-pole-position-to-land-Aston-Villa-managers-job-article570075.html)
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I have mirror website as an app on iPod , as I'm on iPod can't copy and paste the story but it leads on curbishley and will be in their paper in the morning.
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Curbishley, Paul Sturrock, my arse,
you'l be telling me the foriegn Secretary is Gay next
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John, you say that,,,, well I heard a bit of ITK about Hague and a hotel room.....
Is he being interviewed too!!
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John, you say that,,,, well I heard a bit of ITK about Hague and a hotel room.....
Is he being interviewed too!!
Hague and his researcher having it away is one of the few less desirable things to see in a hotel room than Curbishley being interviewed for the Villa manager job.
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Curbishley isn't getting it. If he's the best candidate that applied or was approached then we have way bigger issues at Villa than we know of. He got courtesy hand job in the hot tub from Randy but he won't get the rose in the end. At least I hope he doesn't.
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Curbishley, Paul Sturrock, my arse,
you'l be telling me the foriegn Secretary is Gay next
Justice Minister, ya daft apeth.
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Sturrock! that is one hell of a piss take whoever thought that one up must be on smack!!
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Agree tv , curbs and kmac are the rank outsiders in my opinion, the other 3 surely must have more to offer.
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Interviews have finished- they were conducted in London over last 3 days and randy is heading back to brum tonight- curbs was interviewed , now it's a question of choosing new Manager- hopefully we may hear tomorrow- mirror website confirming interviews at a London hotel.
i see nothing on the mirror website
Depressingly, it is there:
Mirror article (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Alan-Curbishley-in-pole-position-to-land-Aston-Villa-managers-job-article570075.html)
That article is the biggest load of bollocks I have read in years.
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When the dust settles lets not forget that 13 people on here voted for David O Leary. Do they still have the Disaster in Doncaster DVD available in the club shop? :o
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Some itk on 606 said interviews are. Monday houlier. Tuesday moyes. Wednesday that curb bloke thurs Sven and kmac and anouncmemt Friday
Not sure if I beleive cause if Lerner was spotted in hotel and these managers were there some more news would of broke surley
these are also the first 5 in the betting on betfair and their odds have fluctuated recently, so it wouldnt be too hard to believe
when was randy meant to be in corsica?
plus the general said he would be offline for a few days? so maybe he is involved in the interview process?
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Stop talking about Hague TV.... oh back on Curbishley. Such a boring useless man. grrr not for Villa. Never for Villa. We need something exciting and different. We need Sven! Lock up your daughter, wives, mums, grans and anything else with a pulse, Sven is in town!
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What football experience does the General actually have when it comes down to picking a Manager
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plus the general said he would be offline for a few days? so maybe he is involved in the interview process?
I think he takes the assault course part.
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Sturrock! that is one hell of a piss take whoever thought that one up must be on smack!!
I can assure you that I take nothing stronger than Calpol, and even that's only ever with an Arrowroot Biscuit to "soak it up".
Jewell Monday, Chris Hutchings Tuesday, Curbishley today, Bobby Gould Thursday and John Fashanu on Friday.
Awooga!
Even then I wouldn't have Curbishley.
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Some itk on 606 said interviews are. Monday houlier. Tuesday moyes. Wednesday that curb bloke thurs Sven and kmac and anouncmemt Friday
Not sure if I beleive cause if Lerner was spotted in hotel and these managers were there some more news would of broke surley
these are also the first 5 in the betting on betfair and their odds have fluctuated recently, so it wouldnt be too hard to believe
when was randy meant to be in corsica?
Maybe Frédéric Hantz* is the man.
*Manager of Bastia, Corsica's main football team. Relegated in last position from Ligue 2 last year.
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If there is no one outstanding available, then Lerner is best to give KMac a shot. We're not going to win any Cups this year anyways.
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cant see how they can interview Moyes, without the permision of Everton.
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I just dont see Moyes sitting through an interview procedure 'begging' to be the Aston Villa boss.
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And also why they'd interview Moyes in Liverpool.
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Sturrock! that is one hell of a piss take whoever thought that one up must be on smack!!
I can assure you that I take nothing stronger than Calpol, and even that's only ever with an Arrowroot Biscuit to "soak it up".
Jewell Monday, Chris Hutchings Tuesday, Curbishley today, Bobby Gould Thursday and John Fashanu on Friday.
Awooga!
Even then I wouldn't have Curbishley.
Got to be Fash innit. All that shouting and the flash jackets, it'd be lovely.
A good friend of mine has always claimed that his catchphrase is "Arooga" but I'm not hearing it as anything other than "Awooga". Can anyone confirm whose ears are right?
is your name Roy Hodgson?
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Very good.
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MACDONALD MUST BE FREE TO COACH
Kevin MacDonald's talents should be put to best use on the training ground says Taylor
Thursday September 2,2010
By Graham Taylor
ASTON Villa expect to have a new man in charge soon. What they must not do is appoint Kevin MacDonald as the manager.
Villa are a club I have a lot of affection for, having worked there twice as a manager and also been on the board.
This is their opportunity to remodel how the football side of the club is run and probably their best chance of breaking into the top four.
When I was managing them, MacDonald was there. He has been there a long time and I have great respect for his knowledge and coaching ability.
That is why Villa should appoint him as head coach, his responsibility beginning and ending with the first team and getting out on the training pitch with them. That is what he is best at.
If they make MacDonald the manager in the old-fashioned way, they will not be getting the best out of him. It will be a waste.
It’s how Martin O’Neill managed Villa – he was responsible for everything. It’s the way I used to manage, it’s the way Sir Alex Ferguson used to manage. But Alex now delegates more. If I was in management now, so would I. The job is too big for one man. It needs to be split.
MacDonald would have to do the media duties as well because there is no way the man who runs the team can’t answer the questions.
But all the rest of it, the contracts and the money side of the club, that needs to be taken off him and done by someone else.
What has happened with O’Neill couldn’t have happened at a worse time. And he’s taken another four staff with him – the assistant manager, first-team coach, goal-keeping coach and chief scout.
It’s been a big hole to fill for MacDonald, promoted from looking after the reserves at which he was excellent. With Tony McAndrew also promoted alongside him, MacDonald has done well to get Villa through these past two weeks.
The chairman, Randy Lerner, did not over-react to the team beating a poor West Ham side in the first game under MacDonald, nor did he over-react to the 6-0 defeat at Newcastle. He has let MacDonald run the team and is taking an overview of the five games he has had.
MacDonald has taken his time to be sure, but perhaps not done himself any favours by talking openly of his doubts about doing the job now he has said he wants to be considered. This is a big chance for Lerner to put Villa on a better footing, to be able to compete in the big four with a head coach who appoints, or agrees to the appointments, of those who will work with him.
There will be a lot of applicants for the job, but I don’t see a lot out there. Sven-Goran Eriksson would bring a calm to the job, but is he the same manager now who did pretty well with Manchester City? I don’t know.
Martin Jol? Would he want to come to Villa now he seems to have got what he wants with Ajax?
Other top European names with no experience of our Premier League have been ruled out by Villa. The appointment of MacDonald as the new head coach is more and more attractive, with that brief to change the whole model.
When I was on the board at Villa I asked the then manager, John Gregory, what he wanted, and how I could help. He said that Villa needed a better worldwide scouting system and I set about putting that in place for him. However, when I left it was not carried on.
It’s the big area that is letting down Villa.
I know Ian Storey-Moore, who was chief scout under O’Neill, and how the club operated. Villa did not take many players from abroad, it was mainly an English-based squad. That has to change. MacDonald and the board must never again be wide open to five senior members of the football staff leaving when the manager goes. It has wiped them out.
Here is the opportunity to put a framework for coaching and scouting in place that stays in place no matter who the manager might be and who he brings with him.
If Lerner is not going to provide substantial amounts of money in the future, then the club finding their own players would fit in with that edict and would make Villa stronger.
I would like that.
Express - Clicky (http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/197022/MacDonald-must-be-free-to-coach)
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I am sure I read a comment by The General saying that those in the club who needed to know what was going on, were being kept informed on what was happening. I wonder if the Kevin MacDonald for manager has been a bit of a smoke screen.
Randy has been done over by MON in that MON took all of his staff with him. I would take Randy as being somebody that wouldn't be burnt twice. He would therefore probably want a manager that didn't bring all his own staff with him, so that if there was a parting some time in the future, there may be continuity as the assistant/coaching team would possibly stay on. With this in mind, I wonder if Kevin Mac is lined up as Assistant Manager and 1st Team Coach and Randy is looking for more of a forward thinking General Manager to work with KM. Somebody like Klinsmann would fit the bill perfectly and was quoted in the Mirror article last week
The 46-year-old, capped 108 times by Germany, has just moved his family back to their California home after an ill-fated spell as boss of Bayern Munich, but has made it clear he’d be open to the right offer to work in England.He said recently: “The next opportunity I take on must have an environment where I feel really happy. I want to work with people that do it for the right reasons.
“I want to fit into an environment that kind of shares my philosophy, and my philosophy is an attacking style of football.
“That’s just the way I think, and it’s how I built the German team for the 2006 World Cup over two years, which was highly criticised over a long stretch of time, and then they embraced it.
“It’s a style of play that takes time to implement, and you need the environment that gives you that time.
“That’s why I’m cautious. It needs to fit.”
That accords with Lerner’s vision for Villa after the American banking billionaire realised he can’t compete with Manchester City’s spending and needs to find another way to build a sustainable model.
He wants a boss he can work with rather than be confrontational after falling out with O’Neill over transfer plans.
Klinsmann’s gentlemanly style is just right – and he also has the standing in the game both to inspire the young players coming through the club’s academy scheme as well as manage the senior stars bought by O’Neill. Klinsmann had begun a behind-the-scenes revolution improving Bayern Munich’s youth structure before falling out with directors who were impatient for first-team results.
Link
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Jurgen-Klinsmann-is-top-of-Aston-Villa-s-wish-list-to-become-their-next-manager-article567061.html
Some very similar wording there to the Club's statement and The General's comments. Coincidence or The Mirror building a story?
The Mirror article I have since found out was an interview with Klinsmann by Sports Illustrated back in June before the World Cup. There was a lot of talk about Klinsmann taking over as manager of USA but as we now know, Bob Bradley has a new contract. Has this been the cause of the delay.
I have a feeling (but may be way off the mark) that Klinsmann is going to be our next manager. There are so many similarities in what he said in that interview back in June with what Randy has said in the statement and what The General has said. His family are back settled in America and the way he was talking, working in the PL didn't seem an issue from his family point of view. As a General Manager, it could work for him as long as he had a good 1st team coach - step forward Keven Mac. Graham Taylor in his article in the Express has said that KM would be best as 1st team coach rather than manager as well. Surely, this is not just coincidence. Are the pieces starting to fall into place?
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We've found out one of the interviewees. Alan bastard Curbishley.
How did you find that out?
What else do you know?
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Good ol' Graham Taylor. I hope he was consulted by Randy as he speaks a helluva lot of sense in that article.
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Interviews have finished- they were conducted in London over last 3 days and randy is heading back to brum tonight- curbs was interviewed , now it's a question of choosing new Manager- hopefully we may hear tomorrow- mirror website confirming interviews at a London hotel.
If the Mirror story were true, then they’d have got photography of it.
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Good ol' Graham Taylor. I hope he was consulted by Randy as he speaks a helluva lot of sense in that article.
Agreed. What GT is recommending will be a shock to most but basically adopting a European style set up. I for one can see the logic in that. Whether a (General) Manager will see it in the same way is open to question. It is certainly worth considering.
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A prayer for our dark times:
Oh Lord up above, who I have absolute no belief in, please make it so that when I wake up tomorrow, and forever and ever, Alan Curbishley is not the manager of Aston Villa, for he is one of the unclean, please, please God don't let it happen, I might even say a Hail Mary for you, oh God not him, he is a wrong 'un, Amen.
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I think that the dreaded Director of Football can work in the EPL. I think it has failed previously because it has been imposed on incumbent managers.
In villa's case the people would be appointed on that basis so they roles will be defined from the off.
...Bring on the Klinsmann/K-Mac dream team.
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This is from the Daily Mail. Doesn't take a genius to fill in a few blanks and connect the story to Villa's manager search.
Alex McLeish has fallen out with his Birmingham board after being accused of greed over contract talks.
The former Scotland manager is furious about a jibe by vice-chairman Peter Pannu, right-hand man of owner Carson Yeung, that he is ‘no Mourinho’.
Talks on a new contract for McLeish, who won promotion and then took the club to ninth place on a shoestring budget last season, have been going on for months without any sign of agreement.
He is currently on around £750,000 a year and wants a rise to £1million, but Pannu said: ‘He is asking for a very large amount of money which I was not prepared to meet.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1308228/Alex-McLeish-furious-following-rift-Birmingham-board-1m-deal.html#ixzz0yKqWNKTU
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Would be great for us, but he's not going to come after signing those 3 players on deadline day. Hope I'm wrong, mind..
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The Great Sir Graham has spoken. The board should listen and follow. That is all.
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I think that the Board should look at McLeish, he is a good Manager & has a lot of respect for Villa, Ferguson rates him highly,despite being at the Sty he has done well there and would do a good job for us imo, can't see it happening as our Board seem slow on the uptake over anything.
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According to the Express and Star its going to be Curbs, hope not he has been out of the game too long and it has moved on, that was one of the problems with our recently departed.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/09/02/latest-transfer-rumours-%e2%80%93-sept-2/
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cant see how they can interview Moyes, without the permision of Everton.
The General has said we will not approach any managers still employed apparently.
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The General has said we will not approach any managers still employed apparently.
If that is true, it is even more baffling that they are taking so long finding a new manager.
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If mcleish wants the job he will have to let randy know pretty fast or miss the boat, having read comments from the blues board about him I'd say he must feel like walking out - seems a huge rift !
The generals words above taken out of context- he said we are considering current managers but he personally would have doubts about a man who would walk out on his club for more cash elsewhere, his opinion not the boards.
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Personally I would be happy to see McLeish at Villa Park. He's done a good job at the Blues with a lot of average players and not huge resources.
Now would be the time to get him.
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I thought Curbishley did a good job at Charlton and does not really deserve slagging off.
However, Graham Taylor's article does make sense, not surprisingly.
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L'Equipe reporting that Villa have made contact with Koeman and that he is indeed interested...
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L'Equipe reporting that Villa have made contact with Koeman and that he is indeed interested...
They're probably just recycling the story last week when he said we'd made contact with him.
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I thought Curbishley did a good job at Charlton and does not really deserve slagging off.
However, Graham Taylor's article does make sense, not surprisingly.
Agreed, and I don't think he did too badly at West Ham, did he? Certainly not my first choice, but I can see why he'd be considered. He's decent enough, and I think he likes his teams to play passing football. I'd be surprised if he got the job, though, and a little underwhelmed.
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The General has said we will not approach any managers still employed apparently.
If that is true, it is even more baffling that they are taking so long finding a new manager.
Agreed...why does it take over 3 weeks to interview Alan Curbishley?? Or anyone out of work for that matter? But particularly Curbishley.
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More worrying is the rumour that Curbishley turned up to the interview with a V-neck jumper under his jacket to impress the boss.
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I could live with curbs getting the job but definately not my choice, Sven or jurgen much better, but I would be horrified if kmac got it.
Curbs record as a manager is very good and he kept charlton in mid table for years - look at them now, also kept west ham up when it looked impossible, only worry is he has been out a long time now.
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How about Ian Holloway? His teams play decent football, he's a popular man, his Chairman has gone...?
I'm just clutching at straws really.
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Curbishley??!!...... A very mid table appointment. Would be a message of intent from lerner. I would prefer leaving kev in the post til the summer.
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I'd be hugely underwhelmed and disappointed if terminally bland and banal Curbishley gets it. For me it would smack of lack of ambition and be tantamount to settling for mid-table mediocrity. I'd much rather have Sven, KMac and even Bradley than Curbishley. In fact I'd rather have practically anyone on the planet except perhaps Peter Reid, Bryan Robson and Gary Megson.
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I would probably prefer to leave K-Mac in place for the season in the hope that an experienced top class manager becomes available rather than have Curbishley.
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Houllier has been mentioned as a possible candidate, wouldn't be too unhappy about that.
This chat about Curbishly is rather alarming though. Koemans record is very hit and miss, would be a gamble in my opinion.
Sven is liable to do anything, could be brilliant, his track record in Italy, Portugal and Citeh and England cannot be argued with. Since England it just hasn't settled down for him. Maybe Randy would need assurances on a long term commitment. He has a huge list of jobs behind him.
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Spoke to a Charlton fan last year about Curbishley, and even he didn't like him!
Similar situation to MON at Villa in that to an outsider looking in he appears to be doing a good job, but in reality a lot of his own fans don't even like him.
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Randy on jet going to Paris this morning apparently according to VT
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Has the paper said he's been interviewed or just that he's spoken to Randy? Could it just be a phone call put in by Curbs asking if he can have an interview?
The board might not see any harm in seeing Curbs because it gives you a better indication of the good and bad contenders. He's middle of the road. Like some people have said here, underwhelming.
I couldnt see Curbishley getting the job over someone like KM, but it does give you a marker.
(i'm trying to convince myself here too by the way LOL!)
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Now, this is the sort of manager I was suggesting when saying I would rather give K Mac a chance.
Curbishley is no mug but he's a very limited and very boring individual. He would inspire absolutely nothing in me or, in all likelihood, the team. He would probably be the most "meh" appointment of my Villa supporting life.
I cant believe we would offer him the job. I have a hard time believing we've even interviewed him.
No thanks.
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Spoke to a Charlton fan last year about Curbishley, and even he didn't like him!
Similar situation to MON at Villa in that to an outsider looking in he appears to be doing a good job, but in reality a lot of his own fans don't even like him.
Yet he got them competing far above their natural level, that's just perverse. Not suggesting he's right for us but you'd think based on where they were before he took over and what has happened since they'd have a little more respect.
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It might be a spot of revisionism, as I seem to remember him leaving Charlton on distinctly bad terms with the club/fans. Something about broken promise or a lack of loyalty, despite being with them for 20 years. I think it may have been that he misspoke when he pitched up at West Ham, talking about the relative size and ambitions of the clubs.
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Paris - maybe houllier waiting then!
Charlton are far far worse off since curbs left no matter what any fans may think of him.
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all signs are curbishley now his odds are 2/1 he ticks all the boxes.......
1. played for us
2. manged premiership
3 managed on a limited budget
4. wont have to pay club any fee for poaching
gotta say im gutted if it is him totally backward step and a kop out by lerner completely I just hope the bookies are wrong , yes curbishley was good at charlton but I just cant see him galvanise any players or entice some exciting players to join us or even play attractive football ..... its hard to beleive if its true were getting curbs and out of europe already and spurs who we allways finished above until last yr sign Van der vaart and are in the champs league groups its just fucking depressing !!!!!!
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Houllier???
And people moaned about MON's brand of football and signings!!! I know enough Liverpool fans not to want to go there.
This managerial hunt is fast becoming a who's who of potential horror appointments.
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I've a feeling I'm going to be stationed somewhere beneath a state of whelmed when the announcement is made.
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The Mail also reckon we're going for the cheap (and shit) option
Aston Villa hold talks with Alan Curbishley
Sep 2 2010 by Mat Kendrick
ALAN Curbishley is on the shortlist to succeed Martin O’Neill as Villa’s next manager and has been interviewed by the claret and blue board.
The former Charlton Athletic and West Ham boss met with the club’s top brass yesterday as Randy Lerner closes in on an appointment.
Curbishley, who played for Villa in the mid-1980s after transferring from Birmingham, has been out of football exactly two years today.
The 52-year-old quit West Ham in September 2008 and has since been linked with several Premier League and Championship vacancies.
He fits Villa’s primary criterion of boasting top-flight managerial experience after around 300 games with Charlton and 60 with the Hammers.
Curbishley is among a handful of contenders being interviewed this week along with Villa’s caretaker manager Kevin MacDonald.
The former midfielder resigned from the Upton Park hot-seat after key players were sold without his permission. He later won a case for constructive dismissal after a ruling that West Ham’s transfer policy contravened the terms of his contract.
Curbishley played 36 games for Villa between 1983 and 1984 after arriving from Blues where he had made 130 appearances. Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner have headed up the club’s recruitment panel since the interview process got underway on Monday
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For what it's worth:
Villa_Insider (http://twitter.com/Villa_Insider)
#AVFC This is NOT confirmed and just the rumour flying around the office. I'm NOT saying it's definite. Houllier.
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Spoke to a Charlton fan last year about Curbishley, and even he didn't like him!
Similar situation to MON at Villa in that to an outsider looking in he appears to be doing a good job, but in reality a lot of his own fans don't even like him.
Yet he got them competing far above their natural level, that's just perverse. Not suggesting he's right for us but you'd think based on where they were before he took over and what has happened since they'd have a little more respect.
I remember at the time he left Charlton the general feeling was that the fans felt he took them as far as he could and then what happened aftewards was what they deserved.
However, he did nothing at West Ham to suggest he would be capable of taking on a club battling for top 4/6.
Only solace I could take would be that if you look at Redknapp, he spent years managing at mediocre clubs in the PL and obvioulsy all that experience has stood hiom in good stead...he is no tactical genius.
I realise how fiercely I am clutching.
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If he was appointed, it may be time for Randy to admit that he hasn't got the funds to move us forward.
I really think we would look pathetic having him in charge.
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Randy wouldn't have to say a word if Curbishley was appointed manager - the message would be loud and clear enough.
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Also, compared to the other potential candidates, he would be given very little time by the fans at Villa Park.
In fact, he would have to go on a winning run to try win most over and even at that there would still be a majority of doubters.
Was it he that sold us NRC from the Hammers out of interest? Or was it Pardew?
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Curbishley would in my mind, be a white flag of surrender to ambition. Fight it out with Sunderland, Blackburn, Everton et al for a glimpse of Europe now and again.
Deflated.
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Curbishley = Beginning of the end
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The Curbishley link is really depressing,he's a yesterday man,even Doug overlooked him for the past two posts.
Hopefully his lack of charisma shone through during the interview and put Randy off.
Who was next to be interviewed ? It may as well be Glenn Roeder.
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I've had a ST for 17 years, if Curbishley get's the job, I want my money back.
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I feel another shit period coming in the clubs history ........well come january we can look forward to offloading some more players and getting some free transfers in as we battle Wolves for tenth ! Ok im getting a bit carried away now we still have a good squad but your right jimbo the message to us fans will definitely be loud and clear dont think too many half season tickets will be sold at christmas if Curbs is the man ... I really thought they were going to gamble a bit this time id rather that than the boring shitty option ....Id actually rather Hoddle and his assistant eileen in than curbs !
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Curbishley would in my mind, be a white flag of surrender to ambition. Fight it out with Sunderland, Blackburn, Everton et al for a glimpse of Europe now and again.
Not sure I agree with you there to be honest. We'll be fighting it out with the likes of Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham and Man City for Europe - I don't hink the likes of Sunderland or Blackburn are going to come close to league finishes high enough for years.
The landscape of the league has changed quite a bit in the last 2/3 seasons and I don't think it's unreasonable to start considering ourselves part of the third tier (with Everton and Liverpool). The first at the moment would comprise Man Utd, Chelsea, the second Man City, SPurs and Arsenal.
This isn't an argument to excuse the potential appointment of someone like Curbishly, more a consideration of what Villa's ambitions can realistically be at the moment and over the next few years.
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alan curbishley is the most uninspiring ****** in football. appointing him would be a statement of intent.
PROUD HISTORY, SHITE FUTURE.
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Now, this is the sort of manager I was suggesting when saying I would rather give K Mac a chance.
Curbishley is no mug but he's a very limited and very boring individual. He would inspire absolutely nothing in me or, in all likelihood, the team. He would probably be the most "meh" appointment of my Villa supporting life.
I cant believe we would offer him the job. I have a hard time believing we've even interviewed him.
No thanks.
Curbishley and MacDonald would be equally poor and uninspiring appointments. If that's the best Randy could do he'd be better off selling up and moving on.
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Now, this is the sort of manager I was suggesting when saying I would rather give K Mac a chance.
Curbishley is no mug but he's a very limited and very boring individual. He would inspire absolutely nothing in me or, in all likelihood, the team. He would probably be the most "meh" appointment of my Villa supporting life.
I cant believe we would offer him the job. I have a hard time believing we've even interviewed him.
No thanks.
Curbishley and MacDonald would be equally poor and uninspiring appointments. If that's the best Randy could do he'd be better off selling up and moving on.
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Ahhhh fuck off Villa.
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Please let this be a case of the bookies not knowing what they are talking about. I couldn't handle that boring twat in charge, I'd rather have Sven
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Im actually praying Houllier steals in and gets it now that Curbs is favourite god i just wish they would hurry the fuck up we prob wont know until the day before our next game ........Phil Brown is even looking appealing at this stage ....well maybe not :)
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What's this about Rijkaard!
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According to Villa Insider on Twitter the rumours around BH are that it will be Houllier. Probably another ITK I am being wrong footed by.
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Curb's would make us a laughing stock
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To be fair, Curbishley would keep us up.
I refuse to believe he'll be the man we appoint.
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I'd sooner see a knitting pattern get the manager's job, and one of those bits of polystyrene packaging that's shaped like a Wotsit cheese puff come in as director of football, because those are the two most tedious things I can think of other than Alan fucking Curbishley.
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Well, if Shagger Svennis has also gone for the job as reported, he'd easily get the job over the likes of Curbishley, whatever you think of him.
So I wouldn't start get my knickers in a twist yet and start calling for Randy to move on. I still think they'll make a good appointment. There'll be far better than the likes of Curbishley wanting this job.
If he has applied he deserves the respect of an interview at least. But no more.
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Can you imagine the stampede of fans going to the North Stand car park when Curbs car pulls in ?
More likely some tumbleweed slowley drifting along,or an angry mob with lit torches.
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I'm sure that Curbs is a nice bloke and he's been reasonably successful as a manager. However, this could well turn out to be the dullest, most predictable and uninspired appointment ever.
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McLeish, Houiller or Moyes please. If none of those, Koeman or Sven. At least three of those are gettable, so I'm hoping we see one come in.
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I've not been so excited since the appointment of Graham Turner
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I bet Mark Hughes is looking at the names being linked daily and regretting more and more with every passing hour the timing of a) his appointment at Fulham, and b) MON's departure.
Said it before and I'll say it again, whatever way you look at it, MON f*cked us, f*cked us right up the arse, and he knew exactly what he was doing (for once).
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He's duller than dishwater.
Curbishly, nice guy, no Manager - KMac or Curbs are both a complete and utter NO.
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Well, if Shagger Svennis has also gone for the job as reported, he'd easily get the job over the likes of Curbishley, whatever you think of him.
So I wouldn't start get my knickers in a twist yet and start calling for Randy to move on. I still think they'll make a good appointment. There'll be far better than the likes of Curbishley wanting this job.
If he has applied he deserves the respect of an interview at least. But no more.
I imagine that their salary requirements are miles apart. KM and Curbs would be dirt cheap. Sven and Houllier, not so much.
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I have a West Ham friend who does not think appointing Curbishley would be too bad. Saved then from relegation and got to mid table before things went wrong. I filed him alongside, Allardyce, Bruce, Pulis etc., Good at smaller clubs but yet to show there worth at a big club.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, whatever way you look at it, MON f*cked us, f*cked us right up the arse, and he knew exactly what he was doing (for once).
probably kept his notice letter in an envelope marked 'Plan B'.
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Houllier.
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Remember when Megson was announced as Bolton manager? Their fans booed him before he's even taken charge for a game! I could see the same thing happening if we appointed Curbs.
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McLeish would be really funny and not out of the question as he's fallen out with the board over at the sty
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Curbishley....oh fuck !!!
Any one who says BIR-MIN-UM because they can't pronounce it properly should not get the job on that basis alone !!!
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Curbishley....oh fuck !!!
Any one who says BIR-MIN-UM because they can't pronounce it properly should not get the job on that basis alone !!!
Spot on. Annoying as hell.
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Curbishley....oh fuck !!!
Any one who says BIR-MIN-UM because they can't pronounce it properly should not get the job on that basis alone !!!
Good point, I'd forgotten about that. Very annoying.
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Please not Curbs.....
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Curbishley....oh fuck !!!
Any one who says BIR-MIN-UM because they can't pronounce it properly should not get the job on that basis alone !!!
Spot on. Annoying as hell.
Thirded.
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I'm guessing that this is just another rumour like Moyes on Monday....hoping rather.
I'd take Klinsmann, Koeman, Sven and Houllier over him.
This must be one of the most protracted manager searches in football history?
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I cant believe people want houllier!
Kmac or Curbishley been appointed will be like sedating us.
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The only plus point about Curbis'ley (well if he's going to pronounce the name of our city incorrectly...) is that he isn't Alan Fucking Pardew and his Silly Bloody T-Shirts.
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I cant believe people want houllier!
Kmac or Curbishley been appointed will be like sedating us.
I don't want Houllier but if its a choice between the Frenchman, Curbishly and K Mac I'm afraid by process of elimination he's the only option!
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If it is Curbishley then we may as well go the whole hog and appoint Andy Murray as head of PR.
NO. No. No.
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I've been hoping for Sven. Not because he is fantastic (because he isn't) but because he seems as the best available/attainable alternative. He is a solid manager, an improvement on MON and very unlikely to be a complete disaster.
Hiddink would be fantastic (but, I fear, completely unrealistic). Jol would be very good (but seems also to an unlikely appointment).
Houllier is about on the same level as MON, but with a different profile.
Curbishley would be a step backwards.
Koeman and Klinsmann would be risky.
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Why exactly do people want Houllier? Poor for Liverpool, poor for France as I remember. Curbishley is hardly inspiring, but I'd take him over Houllier.
I don't want either mind and it would be pretty depressing if that's the best we can get.
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The worrying aspect of all this is that we don't seem that attractive a job to any managers of real quality. Unless of course the board have something up their sleeve
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Curbishley....oh fuck !!!
Any one who says BIR-MIN-UM because they can't pronounce it properly should not get the job on that basis alone !!!
That's why Villa fucked up in Moscow. It was karma because of fans singing IS-TAM-BUL.
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please dont let it be curbishly...
hes a bankrupt mans martin o'neill on sedatives...
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Maz is right, if Sven is on the interview list then surely curbs and kmac have no chance. Sven has all the experience , all the contacts and a track record as a club manager that few in the world could match!
I just hope we get a decision soon, I can't believe this has dragged on almost a month and surely a decision must be close.
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With season ticket sales something like 40% down on last year, you'd think the board would want to apoint someone whose name will excite the fans and reignite their interest. Curbishley simply isn't gonna do that - just the opposite probably.
Reminds me of a tv series title - Curb(s) Your Enthusiasm!
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Why exactly do people want Houllier? Poor for Liverpool, poor for France as I remember. Curbishley is hardly inspiring, but I'd take him over Houllier.
I don't want either mind and it would be pretty depressing if that's the best we can get.
Houllier Honours:Three French league titles with two clubs,with Liverpool one Uefa Cup, one FA cup,two league cups, a Euro Super Cup and Community shield
Curbishley Honours:Second Tier Play off winner,Second Tier league title
I hope this helps.
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Why exactly do people want Houllier? Poor for Liverpool, poor for France as I remember. Curbishley is hardly inspiring, but I'd take him over Houllier.
I don't want either mind and it would be pretty depressing if that's the best we can get.
Under Houllier, Liverpool finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th. They also won the UEFA Cup, FA Cup and Carling Cup. I'm not sure if that is poor. Liverpool expected more, but the following seasons may have shown that those expectations were unrealistic.
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Why exactly do people want Houllier? Poor for Liverpool, poor for France as I remember. Curbishley is hardly inspiring, but I'd take him over Houllier.
I don't want either mind and it would be pretty depressing if that's the best we can get.
Under Houllier, Liverpool finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th. They also won the UEFA Cup, FA Cup and Carling Cup. I'm not sure if that is poor. Liverpool expected more, but the following seasons may have shown that those expectations were unrealistic.
Except for the one directly after when they won the European Cup, and two years on from that when they got to the final again.
*wink*
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The thread poll now is very misleading as time has gone on, not least because the fans favourite Jol is clearly not coming.
It would be interesting to see what the results of a "zeroed" poll would now be.
If availability and some sort of track record is a requirement the list is very thin:
Koeman
Sven
Bradley
Curbishley
Southgate
Kmac
Klinsmann
Houllier
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that is a very depressing list...
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Why exactly do people want Houllier? Poor for Liverpool, poor for France as I remember. Curbishley is hardly inspiring, but I'd take him over Houllier.
I don't want either mind and it would be pretty depressing if that's the best we can get.
Under Houllier, Liverpool finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th. They also won the UEFA Cup, FA Cup and Carling Cup. I'm not sure if that is poor. Liverpool expected more, but the following seasons may have shown that those expectations were unrealistic.
Except for the one directly after when they won the European Cup, and two years on from that when they got to the final again.
*wink*
Yes, but Liverpool also sacked the manager who brought them two European cup finals once he had a poor season. They want the title, and for some reason (probably their history) they (as well as the media) seem to believe that a manager that doesn't win the title is poor.
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Daily telegraph saying Sven has had his interview , if true that randy has flown to Paris maybe houllier last to be done, although surely he should be flying here .
Looking at the credentials and the cv I would hope that the board can see Sven is the best candidate from Sven, curb, kmac and houllier but who is the 5th candidate?
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Why exactly do people want Houllier? Poor for Liverpool, poor for France as I remember. Curbishley is hardly inspiring, but I'd take him over Houllier.
I don't want either mind and it would be pretty depressing if that's the best we can get.
Under Houllier, Liverpool finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th. They also won the UEFA Cup, FA Cup and Carling Cup. I'm not sure if that is poor. Liverpool expected more, but the following seasons may have shown that those expectations were unrealistic.
Except for the one directly after when they won the European Cup, and two years on from that when they got to the final again.
So arguably they won the European cup with the bulk of the team Houllier assembled?
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Why exactly do people want Houllier? Poor for Liverpool, poor for France as I remember. Curbishley is hardly inspiring, but I'd take him over Houllier.
I don't want either mind and it would be pretty depressing if that's the best we can get.
Under Houllier, Liverpool finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 4th. They also won the UEFA Cup, FA Cup and Carling Cup. I'm not sure if that is poor. Liverpool expected more, but the following seasons may have shown that those expectations were unrealistic.
Except for the one directly after when they won the European Cup, and two years on from that when they got to the final again.
So arguably they won the European cup with the bulk of the team Houllier assembled?
You could definitely argue that.
I was just pointing out that they actualyl went on and did exceptionally well the following season, rather than it all being a dampening of expectations.
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I seem to remember that Houlier left Liverpool in a right old state. Divisions in the playing staff, discontent, rumours that he conducted his business via the local media, had favourites, was very stubborn etc.
A bit like a French O'Neill.
And I'm not sure whether the "success" he had at Liverpool was proportionate to the money he spent.
Then again, if it's him or Curbishley.....
Is it a well known fact that Curbishley's brother is the manager of The Who??
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I'm still hoping the 5th candidate is a Magath, Hiddink, or Hitzfeld.....
It keeps me cheerful.
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Reminds me of a tv series title - Curb(s) Your Enthusiasm!
Very good.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, whatever way you look at it, MON f*cked us, f*cked us right up the arse, and he knew exactly what he was doing (for once).
probably kept his notice letter in an envelope marked 'Plan B'.
Excellent, very witty, made me laugh!
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that is a very depressing list...
What is so galling is that a club with three consecutive sixth placed finishes is having to make do with the "least worst" option.
I, and i am sure everyone else, could construct a convincing case against ANY of the list being suitable.Instead we are likely to console ourselves with the thought "Well it could have been Phil Brown".
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I seem to remember that Houlier left Liverpool in a right old state. Divisions in the playing staff, discontent, rumours that he conducted his business via the local media, had favourites, was very stubborn etc.
A bit like a French O'Neill.
And I'm not sure whether the "success" he had at Liverpool was proportionate to the money he spent.
Then again, if it's him or Curbishley.....
Is it a well known fact that Curbishley's brother is the manager of The Who??
Maybe we could swap Heskey for Roger Daltrey..?
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Well, it's certainly Curbed my enthusiasm.
Ahem.....
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Maybe we could swap Heskey for Roger Daltrey..?
As long as Pete Townshend promises not to undertake any "research" on the U14 team
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For me, Sven's the most suitable candidate from the ones being bandied about most recently. I'd have been really pleased with Hughes but we missed out by a couple of weeks (cheers Martin), and the same with Moyes but it's looking unlikely we'll go near him. Same with Jol. Koeman I kind of like, but no PL experience makes him risky and we're not in a position to take risks.
Curbs? No, for obvious reasons. Limited horizons. When he did have money to spend at West Ham, he made some very poor signings. Kevin Mac? Would far rather him than Curbishley but it would still be underwhelming and contradicts the statement from the board (unless they try to be cute and claim KM has PL experience - three games).
Houllier? Better, but I'd still be slightly concerned. Signed a lot of very average players for Liverpool - they had some fantastic players who were able to level things out a little.
So, Sven. Reputation's been tarnished a little since he left Man City but he did a good job there in his single season and was harshly treated. Since then he's become a bit of a jobbing coach, popping up with Mexico, Ivory Coast and that odd stint with Notts County. That's done him no favours but those are different types of jobs and roles than he'd have here. He's still a very good coach. Knows the PL. Knows English players. Also has a very good worldwide knowledge of players - think of those he signed at City, pretty quickly and in a short space of time: the likes of Elano, Corluka. He'd definitely be a draw for new signings.
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Just let's not get fooled again, eh?
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Just let's not get fooled again, eh?
At least he may be happy to play Substitute
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When I look at the list of those most likely, it doesn't fill me with joy I have to say!!!
I have to admit to Sven now being my choice, whereas when MON left I refused to entertain the idea of Sven even being considered....just goes to show what a difference a few weeks can make....
Jol, Moyes, Hughes would have been the preferred route but when we start interviewing the likes of Curbishley, well........need I say more!??
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Trouble with Sven is the entourage that comes with him. He has a good record but only when spending money which he will likely not get here and his salary requirement might well rule him out anyway.
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He has gone on record saying that he would Manage Villa without asking the earth salary wise.
The biggest concern, and the most significant one is his managerial ability.
I've never rated Erickson, he's a very overpaid Manager who would bring nothing to Villa in my opinion.
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Was texting my Cleveland Brown supporting mate and he is assured me it is typical nfl tactics, interview a load of candidates, some will hve no significance.
Hope he is right and Randy is just being meticulous....however, he is also of the opinion that Randy has deliberately waited for the window to shut before interviewing so the money to spend wouldnt be a big issue.
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My boss has heard from someone working in finance at VP, he thinks its between Curbs and Sven from what he knows. However, Jol and Koeman are possibilities. 2nd stage interviews today, announcement likely to be tomorrow.
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I'm so bored of all this manager talk shit.
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Me too.
Dowie for Villa!
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Why would Sven be a good candidate? Other than him being neither KMac or Curbishley? He needs to have money to do anything anywhere - see Lazio, Man City, Notts County and without it he isn't good enough. He made his name in Sweden at Gothenburg granted but since then its been money all the way that has built his reputation. Failed with England, failed badly with Mexico, and the same with the Ivory Coast. he will need to work within budgetry restrictions at Villa. Definitely not the man for us. He will bring Beckham with him though, by all accounts.
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I'm so bored of all this manager talk shit.
You talk about it a lot considering.
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Sven is high profile and would bring a level of excitement - don't rule out beckham on loan later in the season which would be a huge money spinner too.
I'm beginning to feel excited about what he could achieve here and if it is between him and curbs then I can't see why they would need 2nd stage interviews-it's surely a no brainer.
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Sven must be worth so much with all the jobs and pay-offs he's had that he could do the job for free - and perhaps even buy us a player or two out of his small change.
If he gets the job then many of Birmingham's waiters, hotel workers etc are likely to feel the benefit - he was famous for his generous tipping when at Man City. 50 squid notes not uncommon.
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that villa insider person on twitter saying that the place is buzzing blah blah. and also says this is NOT confirmed and just the rumour flying around the office. im NOT saying its definate houllier.... read into that what you will
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that villa insider person on twitter saying that the place is buzzing blah blah. and also says this is NOT confirmed and just the rumour flying around the office. im NOT saying its definate houllier.... read into that what you will
I have. I reckon bollocks.
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The "Villa insider" is nothing of the sort.
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Reluctantly, I am in the Sven camp.
His league record is good, and no-one has done better with England since.He knows the English league. His agent Athol Still is one of the big Euro movers and shakers. He would bring a profile to the club media wise that others would not. He does not have a big retinue. Him, Tord Grip who likes to travel by bus........and thats it. So no big backroom staff to hire - or crucially, to fire. He also has instant credibility with the players. By all accounts he was popular both at Man City and England amongst the staff.
Yes he has his downsides, but its not a bad list of credits either.
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Me too.
Dowie for Villa!
At least we'd get more women flocking to VP...
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Why would Sven be a good candidate? Other than him being neither KMac or Curbishley? He needs to have money to do anything anywhere - see Lazio, Man City, Notts County and without it he isn't good enough. He made his name in Sweden at Gothenburg granted but since then its been money all the way that has built his reputation. Failed with England, failed badly with Mexico, and the same with the Ivory Coast. he will need to work within budgetry restrictions at Villa. Definitely not the man for us. He will bring Beckham with him though, by all accounts.
He will not bring Beckham - He can only play for a team where the main kit sponsor is Adidas
And to be honest why the fuck would we want an aging, one trick pony, underpant salesman in our team
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Be interested to see the length of contract for whoever's in charge. If it's only 18 months, I reckon Randy would pay them up in the summer and then have a good crack at getting a Jol or Moyes in.
Be honest, those lists of candidates strikes me as short term ish, can anyone see them lasting as long as O'Runner?
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Me too.
Dowie for Villa!
At least we'd get more women flocking to VP...
Sorry, is that reply out of sequence?
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Sven is high profile and would bring a level of excitement - don't rule out beckham on loan later in the season which would be a huge money spinner too.
I'm beginning to feel excited about what he could achieve here and if it is between him and curbs then I can't see why they would need 2nd stage interviews-it's surely a no brainer.
Perhaps. As you would expect the whole office has been talking this through, and perhaps with curbs they are encouraged by his hunger for the job in the interviews. You would imagine he would really want this bad, its easily the biggest job he would have had. Sven on the other hand would possibly be a little more laid back and nonchalant.
To be honest, I can think of good points for both, but would opt for Sven because, as you say, it would be exciting.
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He needs to have money to do anything anywhere.
That's 99% of trophy-winning managers though, Peter. Especially in the modern game. The new manager will have to wait for funds, obviously, but he'll get them. And it's also a question of how you spend the money, and how much: MON's downfall, I believe, was spending way too much on players he then sidelined pretty smartly. Eriksson might not be the same.
Yes, he failed with Mexico and the Ivory Coast (though these deals, with a coach brought in just before a tournament, always seemed doomed to fail, I think). England? Don't consider him a failure there - see what's happened since with the same group of players. I do think club football suits him better, though. He can build good sides.
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On the face of it Houllier's record at Liverpool wasn't bad. But I seem to recall their fans were very frustrated with him, especially towards the end and he spent a lot of money on some very averages players - Bruno Cheyrou, Bernard Diomede, Smicer, Rigobert Song, Henchoz, Djimi Traore, Salif Diou, Titi Camara, Igor Biscan to name a few.
I'd rather have him than Alan "atmosphere hoover" Curbishley but I'd rather have Sven than either of them.
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I cannot imagine that the baord would be so daft as to appoint that usual nasal fuckwit Curbishley. My money is on Sven if the lists of managers we are looking at are to be believed.
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Sven, who has yet to convince me he really cares about any of the positions he has held since (and including England). Remember him?, the guy that shows the same emotion to conceding and scoring? He is a "name", but also a name thats happy to take the money, and as much of it as he can. In defence of Curbs, he did an outstanding job at Charlton, much outperformed the predictions. Look at them now. And I thought he did ok at West Ham, but never really got a chance. But he is passionate and wants to succeed. Its his own country and he knows what it means. He isnt my first choice, I would have gone after Hiddink.
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Sven, who has yet to convince me he really cares about any of the positions he has held since (and including England)
And before England. Didn't he agree to manage blackburn only to fuck off to Italy at the last minute when a better offer came along?
He's an opportunist. I'd rather have McLaren than Sven
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Curbishley did OK at getting Charlton up and keeping them in mid table. Then decided that Tevez wasn't good enough for the first team at West Ham for long periods.
Come on. He is yesterday's man and was average then. We would have to be nuts to appoint him.
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Yeah, that was 15 years ago, I think. Blackburn wanted him, Lazio wanted him.
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The thread poll now is very misleading as time has gone on, not least because the fans favourite Jol is clearly not coming.
It would be interesting to see what the results of a "zeroed" poll would now be.
If availability and some sort of track record is a requirement the list is very thin:
Koeman
Sven
Bradley
Curbishley
Southgate
Kmac
Klinsmann
Houllier
I'd hope that they are also looking at the likes of Queiroz and Le Guen. Not so much that they are fancy foreign names, but both fit the bill for me in being the sort who could build a club up by investing in top young talent, which I think should also be a primary requirement in our new manager. Le Guen is available and Queiroz might be, so I think they are at least semi-realistic. There may be some questions about their managerial record, but if we're looking for perfection then I don't think Mourinho is available somehow.
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Sven, who has yet to convince me he really cares about any of the positions he has held since (and including England). Remember him?, the guy that shows the same emotion to conceding and scoring? He is a "name", but also a name thats happy to take the money, and as much of it as he can. In defence of Curbs, he did an outstanding job at Charlton, much outperformed the predictions. Look at them now. And I thought he did ok at West Ham, but never really got a chance. But he is passionate and wants to succeed. Its his own country and he knows what it means. He isnt my first choice, I would have gone after Hiddink.
You criticize Sven for lack of emotion and describe Curbishley as passionate? From what I've seen of Curbs'"passion" he makes Sven look like an erupting volcano.
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Curbishley No Thanks
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Why would Sven be a good candidate? Other than him being neither KMac or Curbishley? He needs to have money to do anything anywhere - see Lazio, Man City, Notts County and without it he isn't good enough. He made his name in Sweden at Gothenburg granted but since then its been money all the way that has built his reputation. Failed with England, failed badly with Mexico, and the same with the Ivory Coast. he will need to work within budgetry restrictions at Villa. Definitely not the man for us. He will bring Beckham with him though, by all accounts.
Lets take a look at that. He won promotion with Degefors with little money, at Gothenberg he won three domestic honours and the UEFA Cup on a budget. At Benfica, he won three domestic titles and a UEFA Cup finalist spot despite Benfica not being a Euro force financially. He wins domestic Cups with Sampdoria and Roma, both not financial power houses, he then goes back to Benfica and takes them to the final of the European Cup- and another title. Yes he had money to spend at Lazio and Man City – but that comes with big jobs doesn’t it? So the idea that Sven can only work with money is factually incorrect.
As for England, Capello has done no better and has a fine distinguished record. Compared to anyone since Sir Alf Ramsey and Bobby Robson, did he fail? I don’t think so.
His record is an exemplary one. Are you really going to hold the Ivory Coast and Mexico against him?
In an imperfect world, and with very few options, i think you seriously misjudge his credentials.
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You criticize Sven for lack of emotion and describe Curbishley as passionate? From what I've seen of Curbs'"passion" he makes Sven look like an erupting volcano.
And Ulrika rated him
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I am still somewhat surprised that the only concrete link we have seen so far is Curbishley.
That's very, very worrying indeed.
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Me too.
Dowie for Villa!
At least we'd get more women flocking to VP...
Sorry, is that reply out of sequence?
What do you think!!!!
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As for England, Capello has done no better and has a fine distinguished record. Compared to anyone since Sir Alf Ramsey and Bobby Robson, did he fail? I don’t think so.
The England job has broken lots of very, very good managers. I don't think it should be held against him.
Look at Capello's problems with England, then look at his club record.
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I would take Capello like a shot.
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If Sven took the position and started well, and another bigger team came in for him, he would fuck right off before the ink was dry. Thats my impression. I want someone that cares about my team, thats in it for the long haul, is hard and fair, and understands the value of money. I want him to want to come to Villa, because he believes that my team should be challenging for honours, and he has a Plan (and a Plan B) on how he is going to achieve it.
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And that man is Alan Curbishley? Behave yourself.
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McLeish hasn't been mentioned for a couple of pages so I'm returning his hat into the ring with this 'story'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1308228/Alex-McLeish-furious-following-rift-Birmingham-board-1m-deal.html
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Chelts, I didnt say that, and certainly did not mean to insinuate that! I was just a bit alarmed about the love in for Sven
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i think its a sad state of affairs when i have come round to the sven idea, based on the other crap being talked about...
the lesser of five evils....
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If Sven took the position and started well, and another bigger team came in for him, he would fuck right off before the ink was dry. Thats my impression. I want someone that cares about my team, thats in it for the long haul, is hard and fair, and understands the value of money. I want him to want to come to Villa, because he believes that my team should be challenging for honours, and he has a Plan (and a Plan B) on how he is going to achieve it.
Do we need , or want,someone who is going to devote their services till their death bed?
Many feel that after three years MON had done all that he was going to here, Benitez won the CL and FA Cup in his first two years, then nothing for four at Liverpool. Your wish list seems to require a composite of Mother Theresa, and Carl Chinn, neither of whom are available.
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Ireland and dunne were good under Sven as was ulrika by all accounts.I think he would be great for us and if beckham came on loan later on then think of the money the club would make in shirt sales and merchandise.
Surely of the names mentioned he has to be the man.
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This is depressing - remember the heady days when replacing O Neill would have us picking from a crop of world class managers?
ALAN CURBISHLEY was never mentioned. Not even in jest.
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McLeish hasn't been mentioned for a couple of pages so I'm returning his hat into the ring with this 'story'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1308228/Alex-McLeish-furious-following-rift-Birmingham-board-1m-deal.html
Obviously a no-no for us.But both parties there should be careful about what they wish for.
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Ireland and Dunne were good under Sven
A shrewd point, and one in Svens favour.
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Ireland and dunne were good under Sven as was ulrika by all accounts.I think he would be great for us and if beckham came on loan later on then think of the money the club would make in shirt sales and merchandise.
Surely of the names mentioned he has to be the man.
Why do you keep banging on about Beckham? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that he'd come just because we have a has been Swede in charge. And even if he was interested we couldn't afford his wages and he's past it anyway.
Reality can I introduce you to east19?
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Sven has a very good CV
IFK Göteborg
Svenska Cupen Winners 1979, 1982
Allsvenskan Champions 1982
UEFA Cup Winners 1982
S.L. Benfica
Portuguese Liga Champions 1983, 1984, 1991
Cup of Portugal Winners 1983
SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira Champions 1989
UEFA Champions League Runners Up 1990
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1983
A.S. Roma
Coppa Italia Winners 1986
U.C. Sampdoria
Coppa Italia Winners 1994
S.S. Lazio
Coppa Italia Winners 1998, 2000
Italian Super Cup Winners 1998
Supercoppa Italiana1998, 2000
UEFA Cup Winners Cup Winners 1999
UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999
Serie A Champions 2000
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1998
There then of course, comes the "wilderness years" of England etc. Most important is his contacts to get a stronger squad back at Villa.
Now, the above, or the likes of Curbishley and Southgate?
Of course, there is also better than Sven out there. And not Mark Hughes, who has done f-all.
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Sorry, I just reread my posts, and my requests were a bit too twee. I just want a good manager in. Im trying to convince myself that should Curbs get in, I could cheer him. But I would feel disappointed intially that we couldnt get anyone better. There were some good posts about how long the honeymoon lasted with MON which were relevant. A Curbishly like appointment would get a much tougher reception, and have to work miracles to keep the fans on side, something the interviewers would recognise.
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Why would Sven be a good candidate? Other than him being neither KMac or Curbishley? He needs to have money to do anything anywhere - see Lazio, Man City, Notts County and without it he isn't good enough. He made his name in Sweden at Gothenburg granted but since then its been money all the way that has built his reputation. Failed with England, failed badly with Mexico, and the same with the Ivory Coast. he will need to work within budgetry restrictions at Villa. Definitely not the man for us. He will bring Beckham with him though, by all accounts.
He will not bring Beckham - He can only play for a team where the main kit sponsor is Adidas
And to be honest why the fuck would we want an aging, one trick pony, underpant salesman in our team
I was only making a Fake Sheikh quip.
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Why do you keep banging on about Beckham? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that he'd come just because we have a has been Swede in charge. And even if he was interested we couldn't afford his wages and he's past it anyway.
Reality can I introduce you to east19?
Chris, I agree on the past it front. Unfortunately for Beckham, I really think the injury he received a few months back will prove too much to recover him. Sure, he might come back to play but I suspect he'll struggle and retirement will be pretty soon afterwards.
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Little Mouse; impressive though that list is, there is not a single trophy in ten years. Since the England job, no decent team has touched him either, there has to be a reason for it.
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Perhaps Sven's contacts include the odd sheikh who might be interested in an English Premier League Club currently above Manchester Sheikhdom in the League?
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Chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.
Ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill. why do you say its not realistic , if west ham under grant can go for him on a short term loan what makes you think he wouldnt come to villa under sven?
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chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.
ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill.
Beckham? Is it 1998?
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There were some good posts about how long the honeymoon lasted with MON which were relevant. A Curbishly like appointment would get a much tougher reception, and have to work miracles to keep the fans on side, something the interviewers would recognise.
I think we can forget a honeymoon. Shotgun weddings are normally followed by a visit to the A&E.
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This is depressing - remember the heady days when replacing O Neill would have us picking from a crop of world class managers?
Nope
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I would be happy with Sven, Jol, Moyes or McLeish.
Martin Laursen?
;)
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curbs would still be a more ambitious appointment than a reserve team coach, laursen same as kmac , no experience at this level.
i remember many years ago when we all thought venables was to be unveiled only for doug to step from behind the curtain with john gregory- i pray that i do not have that feeling in my stomach again this time when randy reveals his man.
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Playing devils advocate –
I wouldn’t be against Sven but people listing his achievements really doesn’t mean a great deal as the most noticeable ones were achieved when Jack the Ripper was a lad, football has moved on since then. Could he do it now on possibly a limited budget that remains to be seen. He’s certainly got the contacts to find a hidden gem that’s for sure.
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If we get Curbishley then I will cry.
EDIT: And not with happiness.
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That's true, although of course - playing devil's advocate back - in contrast we're also discussing managers who have no achievements whatsoever.
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the biggest problem with Curbishley, is that he is a bit boring, and we are looking for someone to get excited about,
his appointment wont do anything for ticket sales, season or othrewise.
but that aside his record at Charlton was very good, and at west ham i believe he was under virtual impossible circumstances,
he plays passing football, and is known to favour attack minded teams rather than defensive teams as Sven, Houlier,Moyes, do.
so the football would be a lot different than that under MON
so in terms of the football he might bring ,its not by any means a dissaster, but in terms of marketability it is
he just wont get the time or patience from the fans to make a mistake,
everything he touches from the start will have to be sucsesfull, just to get the fans on his side,, he wont be allowed a Marlon Harewood moment.
i find it dificult to see it working not so much on the pitch, but in the stands
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I think its going to be KM with a director of football type above him. Like Graham Taylor suggested.
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Dowie has achieved being a really shit match reporter on Sky Sports Soccer Saturday
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I want a manager that I can see still here in 10 years with a nice list of trophies they've won.
Dreaming... I know!
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I can also Kev Mac with Sven. I have no problem with that. How they arrange titles and responsibilities might be an issue.
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sven has to have freedom to choose his own assistant, forcing kmac on him would not be the answer.
kmac is better in his old job and id like him to get a nice pay rise as a thanks but no thanks , let sven bring his own people in , tord grip would soon get to grips with it!
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John E wrote:
the biggest problem with Curbishley, is that he is a bit boring, and we are looking for someone to get excited about,
his appointment wont do anything for ticket sales, season or othrewise.
but that aside his record at Charlton was very good, and at west ham i believe he was under virtual impossible circumstances,
he plays passing football, and is known to favour attack minded teams rather than defensive teams as Sven, Houlier,Moyes, do.
so the football would be a lot different than that under MON
so in terms of the football he might bring ,its not by any means a dissaster, but in terms of marketability it is
he just wont get the time or patience from the fans to make a mistake,
everything he touches from the start will have to be sucsesfull, just to get the fans on his side,, he wont be allowed a Marlon Harewood moment.
i find it dificult to see it working not so much on the pitch, but in the stands
I think that's spot on. People seem to be going more for bigger names like Sven, Houllier or Klinsmann. I have real doubts about all three of those.
I'd hope for better than Curbishley but I think his record deserves a bit more respect than people are giving him
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John E wrote:
the biggest problem with Curbishley, is that he is a bit boring, and we are looking for someone to get excited about,
his appointment wont do anything for ticket sales, season or othrewise.
but that aside his record at Charlton was very good, and at west ham i believe he was under virtual impossible circumstances,
he plays passing football, and is known to favour attack minded teams rather than defensive teams as Sven, Houlier,Moyes, do.
so the football would be a lot different than that under MON
so in terms of the football he might bring ,its not by any means a dissaster, but in terms of marketability it is
he just wont get the time or patience from the fans to make a mistake,
everything he touches from the start will have to be sucsesfull, just to get the fans on his side,, he wont be allowed a Marlon Harewood moment.
i find it dificult to see it working not so much on the pitch, but in the stands
I think that's spot on. People seem to be going more for bigger names like Sven, Houllier or Klinsmann. I have real doubts about all three of those.
I'd hope for better than Curbishley but I think his record deserves a bit more respect than people are giving him
His record? What has he won? EVER? Has he finished in a CL position? A Europa position? Hell, has he done anything on the scale that we are looking for?
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No.
He's an effective operator in the second half of the PL table. That's my biggest concern with Curbishley - not his personality.
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Its also rubbish to suggest that we would be on any managers back straight away. We will get behind any manager given the job as we want him to succeed. the outpouring of anti-Curbishley emotion is that we do not believe he is the man for us.
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I'd hope for better than Curbishley but I think his record deserves a bit more respect than people are giving him
His record is virtually non-existent and has not managed any team from 2 years to the day (tomorrow).
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Do you think sir alex would have got charlton in the champions league and spent little- of course he wouldn't.
Curbs hasn't been in a position to win things because he's never had a crack at it with a club of that size, his record in getting charlton up and keeping them in mid table was very good and deserves more respect than some are giving him.
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Pre O'Neill we would have been quite happy with Curbishley. I can remember his name being bandied about by Villa fans quite regularly. I dont think he's the man for Villa, but his record is not that bad. Just look where Charlton are now (and to some extent West Ham). Neither of those clubs had money to spare for big transfers so he is almost an unknown in that area of football activity, so still a gamble unless we are not spending big anymore.
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Curbishley is becoming the managerial version of Carlton Palmer. He wasn't the man to replace Gregory, or DOL. And he isn't the man to replace MON. It would be like travelling back to the Ellis era.
If the Board are stuck for ideas, then they would be better off coming clean and putting someone in place for a one-season term in the hope that the sword of Damocles would give the players something to think about, especially in the second half of the season. You would obviously be kissng goodbye to Ash, but that might now be the lesser of the evils in prospect.
Better to write off one season in this manner than effectively trash three by appointing Curbs (sorry mate, it's nothing personal).
Finally, the Board really do appear totally rudderless. There was previoulsy a thread entitled "Who is Paul Faulkner?" I think that that question is becoming increasingly important. Notwithstanding MON's behaviour in leaving, it surely cannot be acceptable for any CEO to be so totally clueless in terms of the direction in which he intends to lead the football club.
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Chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.
Ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill. why do you say its not realistic , if west ham under grant can go for him on a short term loan what makes you think he wouldnt come to villa under sven?
Sven is only all to realistic an option and I don't want him. He's just been pissing about taking the money for the last few years. It's Mrs Posh Spice I think is the barmy option.
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Chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.
Ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill. why do you say its not realistic , if west ham under grant can go for him on a short term loan what makes you think he wouldnt come to villa under sven?
Sven is only all to realistic an option and I don't want him. He's just been pissing about taking the money for the last few years. It's Mrs Posh Spice I think is the barmy option.
You on the pop, Chris?
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Playing devils advocate –
I wouldn’t be against Sven but people listing his achievements really doesn’t mean a great deal as the most noticeable ones were achieved when Jack the Ripper was a lad, football has moved on since then. Could he do it now on possibly a limited budget that remains to be seen. He’s certainly got the contacts to find a hidden gem that’s for sure.
Winning the Italian league and other trophies between 1998 and 2000 or so isn't that long ago - in fact around the same time or a little after Martin O'Neill's most successful (in terms of trophies anyway) stint as a manager in the PL with Leicester.
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With regards to Curb's as the other lad said, He does deserve respect for what he did at Charlton and he only left Spammers because they sold players behind his back.
I still however do not think he's the man for us
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Chris , regarding beckham on loan , im thinking of the financial spin off for the club and publicity , yes he may play a few games but it would be worthwhile.
sven when talking in the fake sheikh incident said he could bring beckham here, so its a relevant point. i know time has moved on but milan have said they wont take him this season and west ham have expressed an interest , if sven came maybe he would.
Ultimately the main thing is that i want sven to get the job , i said that last year and unlike you i think he would be a huge upgrade on o neill. why do you say its not realistic , if west ham under grant can go for him on a short term loan what makes you think he wouldnt come to villa under sven?
Sven is only all to realistic an option and I don't want him. He's just been pissing about taking the money for the last few years. It's Mrs Posh Spice I think is the barmy option.
You on the pop, Chris?
Sadly no, why?
I think Sven might interest us and I'm not a fan.
East19 thinks that would mean we get Beckham but I don't think it would have any bearing but for good measure I don't want him either.
Edit: Just realised - Mrs Posh Spice - I need a drink.
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Curbs hasn't been in a position to win things because he's never had a crack at it with a club of that size, his record in getting charlton up and keeping them in mid table was very good and deserves more respect than some are giving him.
What he did with Charlton was admirable but the expectation level was nothing like what it would be at Villa. Whatever we might now think about MON it's undeniable that he gave the club a higher profile than we've had since Big Ron was in charge. If we appoint Curbs then all that will be lost and we'll go back to being plucky little mid-table Aston Villa, and the chances of us being able to attract any decent players will be slim to none because he simply isn't a big enough personality and his record of achievement is almost non-existant. I don't have a preference for anyone in particular but whoever we appoint just has to be a bigger name than Curbs with a greater track record of success. And if that's Sven, so be it.
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Don't understand why everyone seems to hate curbishley.
With limited budget, he did as well as MON and he is not a coward.
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Don't understand why everyone seems to hate curbishley.
With limited budget, he did as well as MON and he is not a coward.
He's never won anything. O'Neill has, on an equally limited budget.
I don't hate him, I just think he's very, very shit.
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Maybe the board are happy for us not to attract big players, With big players come big wages
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Maybe the board are happy for us not to attract big players, With big players come big wages
And without them come empty seats and no success.
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MOst of big players that come to villa were shitty !
They came to enjoy their retirements.
Prefer to get young, good attitude, willing to improve compare to all those primadonas.
Maybe the board are happy for us not to attract big players, With big players come big wages
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Nearly a week gone and (potentially) a week to go, God I am so bored with all this!
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Chris I never said if Sven comes it means we will get beckham. , I'm saying it's a possibility he might go for him on a short term loan , as Milan have done in previous years.
I just think Sven would bring excitement to the club and he has a great record as a club manager, he has contacts and would explore the world Market , having managed in 3 continents, he would lift the profile and interest level at the club, and attract good players.
I think most people are saying curbs, kmac, Sven and houllier are on the shortlist but I'd love to know who the 5th candidate is- klinsmann or southgate or koeman maybe?
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Right - Looks like Eck and the board are falling out over at the Sty. I'd take him. Any thoughts?
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Don't understand why everyone seems to hate curbishley.
With limited budget, he did as well as MON and he is not a coward.
With comments like that how can you call yourself 'dreamlifter' ;-)
.....or do you deliver beds for a living???
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Right - Looks like Eck and the board are falling out over at the Sty. I'd take him. Any thoughts?
I'd take him. He is actually a decent gaffer in spite of his current employers.
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MOst of big players that come to villa were shitty !
They came to enjoy their retirements.
Prefer to get young, good attitude, willing to improve compare to all those primadonas.
Me too - I include the likes of Ash and Milner as big players, even though they were young when we got em. They came to Villa because they wanted to work with and learn from MON. Do ya reckon Curbs would attract the likes of them?
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Curbishley gets a massive no from me and I just can't see what the point of him coming here would be. MON leaving us has given the Club an ideal opportunity to kick on to the next level even with the current squad. We need to bring in some quality players to compliment our existing ones and Curbishley wouldn't be able to pull off a fraction of the decent deals which Sven would.
If Curbs decides to read any of these boards to gauge fans' opinions, then he wouldn't take the job. I sure he's a decent bloke who is good at what he does. It's just that we don't need what he's good at.
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A decent option but he'd have to walk out on blues pretty fast or it will be too late for him as regards our job.
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What has MON achieved actually ?
runner up in uefa ? hey, roy did a better job with much more limited fun with fulham !
Oh, MON did win title in scotlands, so did strachan
Don't understand why everyone seems to hate curbishley.
With limited budget, he did as well as MON and he is not a coward.
With comments like that how can you call yourself 'dreamlifter' ;-)
.....or do you deliver beds for a living???
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Curbs should take the Southampton job - he could do another Charlton with them, similar size club, lower ambitions, they'd love him. Perfect for him I reckon.
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Puppyfeat , who says milner and young came to villa because of mon- milner knew the club and saw it as a step up and ash looked at it in the same way,as a good career move. we are a huge club and can attract decent players without mon!
Agree that Southampton would be the ideal long term project for curbs and he would probably do a charlton with them.
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HOw many of us doubted ashley & milner when they came ? They came with big price tag but they were not big players everyone looking for - be honest.
I love both of them to be frank. We definitely missed Milner in Newcastle defeat.
MOst of big players that come to villa were shitty !
They came to enjoy their retirements.
Prefer to get young, good attitude, willing to improve compare to all those primadonas.
Me too - I include the likes of Ash and Milner as big players, even though they were young when we got em. They came to Villa because they wanted to work with and learn from MON. Do ya reckon Curbs would attract the likes of them?
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What has MON achieved actually ?
runner up in uefa ? hey, roy did a better job with much more limited fun with fulham !
Oh, MON did win title in scotlands, so did strachan
He won two cups with Leicester.
And we were comparing MON and Curbishley, not MON and Hodgson.
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There still is deafening silence still coming out of VP though isn't there.....
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Had no doubts about milner because I saw him here before and knew he would be a good signing, at the time I did feel we may have paid over the odds for ash though.
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Puppyfeat , who says milner and young came to villa because of mon- milner knew the club and saw it as a step up and ash looked at it in the same way,as a good career move. we are a huge club and can attract decent players without mon!
Er, I do! We are a big club for sure, but if we make a bad appointment now we won't seem so attractive soon, especially if we're not going to be paying mega wages in the future. So we need someone with a bit of charisma who can attract the sort of players to keep us going in the right direction. And as the consensus here rightly is that someone like Curbs ain't that man.
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MON leaving us has given the Club an ideal opportunity to kick on to the next level even with the current squad.
Absolutely. Well said.
Hopefully the board are seeing this as an opportunity and not a burden.
I am sure they are.
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2 cups - where no top teams interested to compete last time round ? (checked those 2 years)
MON did a fantastic job definitely with leicester, so did Curbs with charlton.
So did roy who came from smaller club than villas.
And definitely, so did strachan !
What has MON achieved actually ?
runner up in uefa ? hey, roy did a better job with much more limited fun with fulham !
Oh, MON did win title in scotlands, so did strachan
He won two cups with Leicester.
And we were comparing MON and Curbishley, not MON and Hodgson.
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2 cups - where no top teams interested to compete last time round ? (checked those 2 years)
MON did a fantastic job definitely with leicester, so did Curbs with charlton.
I'm confused at what the argument is now.
O'Neill is a better manager than Curbishley, by some distance. We should be looking at much, much better.
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Playing devils advocate –
I wouldn’t be against Sven but people listing his achievements really doesn’t mean a great deal as the most noticeable ones were achieved when Jack the Ripper was a lad, football has moved on since then. Could he do it now on possibly a limited budget that remains to be seen. He’s certainly got the contacts to find a hidden gem that’s for sure.
Winning the Italian league and other trophies between 1998 and 2000 or so isn't that long ago - in fact around the same time or a little after Martin O'Neill's most successful (in terms of trophies anyway) stint as a manager in the PL with Leicester.
I was referring to his earlier managerial stints in Sweden and at Benfica where presumably he worked under stricter financial constraints than he did at Lazio where Gragnotti(sp) bankrolled a heavy spending spree comparable to that of Man City on the likes of Crespo, Veron, Nedved and Vieri. If he got a similar sum at Villa I’m sure he could do well, who wouldn’t? But in these times of financial belt tightening he will have to watch the pennies a bit more.
Anyway as you were.
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Right - Looks like Eck and the board are falling out over at the Sty. I'd take him. Any thoughts?
Imagine if we got Big Eck and the Blouse signed MON, now that would be interesting.
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I would be happy with McLeish
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If we appoint Sven I think we will see players from Mexico / Ivory Coast coming to B6 6HE.
I don't think he will be bad appointment but he should work with our coaching set up and add new staff. If Randy want opinons about Sven, he should ask Richard and Stephen.
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I would be happy with McLeish
more boring functional football, pack the midfield with a load of defensive midfielders, playing one man up front, sending the team out not to lose rather than play to win.
no thanks
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None of the managers mentioned who are going to come are good enough for villa. Sven, Houllier, et all are all rubbish.
Leave to kmac till someone better becomes available. We are 4th as it is and he hasn't even had a full squad to choose from as Cuellar, Gabby etc have been injured...
Anyone who wants Sven or Koeman or a "name" are just falling under the "commercial" spell of the premiership and sky. We don't need a name. We need a decent manager. None are available.
You want the manager equivalent of Heskey? Sure Sven and Houllier etc might have achieved in the past and in a different era, just like Heskey. Times have changed.
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Dear me!.......some of the people on here who were constantly moaning about MON, are now advocating Curbishley as a replacement.
Completely unsatisfactory in every way, no success, no threat of sucess, not up and coming, been out of work for 2 yrs, NOT a Villa manager.
Small Rodent is right , with a bit of tinkering we are not far off a really good team.Only people like Moyes,Hughes, Hiddink or Jol should be considered, and if we have to wait, then we have to consider giving KMac the job on a weekly basis until our main target becomes available.
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If Randy want opinons about Sven, he should ask Richard and Stephen.
And if Randy wants opinions on who he is banging now, then he should ask Richard and Judy
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Right - Looks like Eck and the board are falling out over at the Sty. I'd take him. Any thoughts?
I'd take him. He is actually a decent gaffer in spite of his current employers.
I'd take him as well. He's a half decent bloke and he likes the odd game of cricket (and that's strange for a Scotsman ;-))
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I would be happy with McLeish
more boring functional football, pack the midfield with a load of defensive midfielders, playing one man up front, sending the team out not to lose rather than play to win.
no thanks
That's because he's of the players at The Shit.
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...life's a piece of shit, when you look at it...
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It's almost impossible to judge Curbishley v Sven or Moyes v Wenger because they are all working under different circumstances.
For me one of the most important questions Randy should ask when choosing a manager is:
Which manager has over-achieved in the job they are in or the job/jobs they have done?
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I'd rather have Curbs than Macleish
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If Randy want opinons about Sven, he should ask Richard and Stephen.
And if Randy wants opinions on who he is banging now, then he should ask Richard and Judy
Nicely done.
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There still is deafening silence still coming out of VP though isn't there.....
What are you expecting to hear? If they are still interviewing possible managers and haven't yet made up their minds, you can't expect them to be announcing anything. Randy is the last person to have a Twitter account to share the smallest details of his day with us. Mind you it could be quite interesting:
#Randy - 10:00 Curbishley has just arrived.
#Randy - 10:45 Jeez what happened? Just woke up after deep sleep.
#Randy - 14:00 Reception say Sven arrived 20 minutes ago. Have just found out that he has found a secretary to bang on the way to my room
#Randy - 14:45 Still waiting for Sven. That guy's got some stamina
#Randy - 17:00 Moyes interviewed well but I couldn't stop thinking about Gollum.
#Randy - 17:10 An agent called and asked if we could hold off until October as Mancini is interested and should be available by then
#Randy - 17:30 Peter Pannu called and asked how much I though he should pay McLeish - I said he's no Mourinho
#Randy - 17:45 Just had to call security again. Steve Bruce just won't take no for an answer
#Randy - 17:50 Kev Mac has called again. Poor guy, I don't know how to let him down gently
#Randy - 17:55 Chuck Krulak just called. He's on his way over after finishing sniper practice at the Discovery Channel
#Randy - 18:00 Still don't know whether to hang on for Sven. It could be a long wait.
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I'd rather have Curbs than Macleish
why?
McLeish was my second choice had Martin not taken over back in 06
I'm keeping my fingers crossed Randy atleast offers him an interview, the guys got a 1 million compensation release and is stalling on a new contract, we HAVE to go for him IMO
anyone whos familiar with him before blues know that hes been successful everywhere hes been, hes a truly very good manager and he'll only improve blues.
seriously when you look at the other mentioned targets..
Curbishley - No chance, failed at west ham, successful with a small club
Sven - great track record, very good record for england which but i'd fear him leaving if a bigger club came in
Houllier & Zola - just no
I wouldn't mind Koeman out of the other realistic/rumoured targets, we're realistically not going to get champions league with spurs and man city competing with the top 4 with superior squads and bigger bank balances. So why not get a big name in european football who plays exciting football and has a history of winning things at big clubs rather than a steady eddy who won't do no better?
realistically we're not going to get a big name who hasn't failed atleast once otherwise they'd be at a european giant, Mcleish would be a brilliant appointment for me, yet to fail, able to attract big players to clubs (Hleb to blues, i mean fairplay), young, cheap and knows how to build a solid side.
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Portugal have suspended Queiroz for 6-months. Nothing directly to do with Villa unfortunately but it would suggest he might be available.
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All he's done is make Blues hard to beat, the football is terrible and he's ginger. How many more reasons do you need? *winky*
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GET HIM IN RANDY!
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...life's a piece of shit, when you look at it...
.....always look on the bright side.......
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...life's a piece of shit, when you look at it...
.....always look on the bright side.......
`worse things have happened than Curbish-ley, you know...'
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Worse? Possibly.
More boring? No.
He makes Steve Davis sound like a raconteur.
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He makes Steve Davis sound like a raconteur.
Steve Davis has the world's worst record collection
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The Sty Keepers expect McLeish to sign a new contract next week.
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Is this business about Curbishley actually from a reliable source,or just from a red top paper??
It was only a couple of weeks ago when all of us were shitting ourselves about Bradley when Talksport said he'd been offered the job and his odds were slashed by skybet. It doesnt seem to make any sense as no one in their right mind would even interview him for the job.
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Dave woodhall revealed curbs was interviewed and so did many papers
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yea but are the papers talking shite ( why only curbs ?? ) why cant we find out anyone else ??
maybe dave got it from the papers and its all rubbish ?
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I'm hoping/ praying it was just out of courtesy, as he was so desperate for the job.
He was one of the very first to nail his colours to the mast, has Prem experience and played for the club (briefly and to not much effect it must be said). To an inexperienced board (on football matters) it might be match fitness, a dry run as it were. To hone their interviewing technique so as not to balls up later interviews with the serious contenders.
If they see him as the next logical step in the Villa plan, you'd have to question the validity of that plan.
You should always aim higher than what you have managed in previous campaigns, be that staff, managers or players. Chances are you'll still fall a wee bit short. Like aiming for 4th and finishing 6th.
If you appoint a manager who has over a lengthy period delivered little more than mid-lower table you really are setting your stall out. It's not as if he is some bright young thing either, at the start of his career. Where you could possibly reason that he might improve with better resources available. He spent a fair whack at West Ham and delivered results and performances on a par with his work at Charlton.
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Small Rodent is right , with a bit of tinkering we are not far off a really good team.
Ranieri! And no, I've never been right!
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Dave woodhall revealed curbs was interviewed and so did many papers
Shit,still cant get my head round it,does Dave have any power to change the shortlist??!!
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*pro McLeish post*
Gotta say I agree with this, he'd be better than most although I'd have reservations about his style of football.
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*pro McLeish post*
Gotta say I agree with this, he'd be better than most although I'd have reservations about his style of football.
I'd imagine with better players the football would be better.....
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People said that about MON.
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People said that about MON.
Let's go for Wenger then.
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is Howard Wilkinson attached to a club? :-\
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Can't recall where I read it but wasn't it rumoured Randy had instructed a
renown Sports Agency with a posh sounding name to head-hunt some
likely candidates for the position ?
Judging by the names being banded about I reckon we got the
firm Norfolk & Chance doing the search-
Who is this mysterious 5th candidate anyway ?
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Small Rodent is right , with a bit of tinkering we are not far off a really good team.
Ranieri! And no, I've never been right!
Ooh, yes! I'd forgotten about him. What's he up to these days?
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Can't recall where I read it but wasn't it rumoured Randy had instructed a
renown Sports Agency with a posh sounding name to head-hunt some
likely candidates for the position ?
Judging by the names being banded about I reckon we got the
firm Norfolk & Chance doing the search-
Who is this mysterious 5th candidate anyway ?
It's a mystery.
I wonder if it is a Manager in employment - a Hughes maybe ?
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is Howard Wilkinson attached to a club? :-\
The FA I think
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what about getting Big Ron in to caretake for a season, he loves the club, likes wing play, decent tactician, can let Mac get on with the coaching the players
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what about getting Big Ron in to caretake for a season, he loves the club, likes wing play, decent tactician, can let Mac get on with the coaching the players
I bet Coker, Gabby, Fonz, Carew, AY, Heskey would love Big Fat Ron to come on board :)
First Signing ? - MARCEL DESAILLY
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Where did the five candidates being interviewed come from.
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what about getting Big Ron in to caretake for a season, he loves the club, likes wing play, decent tactician, can let Mac get on with the coaching the players
I bet Coker, Gabby, Fonz, Carew, AY, Heskey would love Big Fat Ron to come on board :)
First Signing ? - MARCEL DESAILLY
I bet they wouldn't care less. I also have a hunch - nothing more - that tomorrow will be The Day.
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what about getting Big Ron in to caretake for a season, he loves the club, likes wing play, decent tactician, can let Mac get on with the coaching the players
I bet Coker, Gabby, Fonz, Carew, AY, Heskey would love Big Fat Ron to come on board :)
First Signing ? - MARCEL DESAILLY
I bet they wouldn't care less. I also have a hunch - nothing more - that tomorrow will be The Day.
Dave i know your passion for The Villa and when i see comments like this i wonder how you reconcile your love of our club with your feelings about the guys that wear the shirt
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Well Dave I hope 'The Day' is an a pleasant surprise rather than what I expect!
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Well Dave I hope 'The Day' is an a pleasant surprise rather than what I expect!
Like hoping for a Chopper Bike & getting an action man at Xmas you mean
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what about getting Big Ron in to caretake for a season, he loves the club, likes wing play, decent tactician, can let Mac get on with the coaching the players
I bet Coker, Gabby, Fonz, Carew, AY, Heskey would love Big Fat Ron to come on board :)
First Signing ? - MARCEL DESAILLY
I bet they wouldn't care less. I also have a hunch - nothing more - that tomorrow will be The Day.
Dave i know your passion for The Villa and when i see comments like this i wonder how you reconcile your love of our club with your feelings about the guys that wear the shirt
I don't understand what you mean, but if you think black players have a downer on Ron, you're mistaken. Ask Cyrille Regis or Brendan Batson what they think about him.
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what about getting Big Ron in to caretake for a season, he loves the club, likes wing play, decent tactician, can let Mac get on with the coaching the players
I bet Coker, Gabby, Fonz, Carew, AY, Heskey would love Big Fat Ron to come on board :)
First Signing ? - MARCEL DESAILLY
I bet they wouldn't care less. I also have a hunch - nothing more - that tomorrow will be The Day.
Dave i know your passion for The Villa and when i see comments like this i wonder how you reconcile your love of our club with your feelings about the guys that wear the shirt
Eh?
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come in gerard, please not AC
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what about getting Big Ron in to caretake for a season, he loves the club, likes wing play, decent tactician, can let Mac get on with the coaching the players
I bet Coker, Gabby, Fonz, Carew, AY, Heskey would love Big Fat Ron to come on board :)
First Signing ? - MARCEL DESAILLY
I bet they wouldn't care less. I also have a hunch - nothing more - that tomorrow will be The Day.
Dave i know your passion for The Villa and when i see comments like this i wonder how you reconcile your love of our club with your feelings about the guys that wear the shirt
I don't understand what you mean, but if you think black players have a downer on Ron, you're mistaken. Ask Cyrille Regis or Brendan Batson what they think about him.
dave my comment had nothing to do with black players and i have only just noticed the inference above
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come in gerard, please not AC
Tell me, what do you think is wrong with Curbishley?
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I feel i have to explain myself now, it did not even occur to me that the players he listed were black, i just see them as Villa players i only see claret and blue
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BBC now reporting the Curbishley story, 24 hours behind H&V but they got there eventually.
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I feel i have to explain myself now, it did not even occur to me that the players he listed were black, i just see them as Villa players i only see claret and blue
No need Hawkeye.
I think everyone could see you only read what Dave wrote and not the rest.
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come in gerard, please not AC
Tell me, what do you think is wrong with Curbishley?
His face?
Ok, maybe we can have an answer from somebody over 14 years of age.....?
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I feel i have to explain myself now, it did not even occur to me that the players he listed were black, i just see them as Villa players i only see claret and blue
No need Hawkeye.
I think everyone could see you only read what Dave wrote and not the rest.
cheers mate
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I feel i have to explain myself now, it did not even occur to me that the players he listed were black, i just see them as Villa players i only see claret and blue
Fair enough.
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come in gerard, please not AC
Tell me, what do you think is wrong with Curbishley?
His face?
Ok, maybe we can have an answer from somebody over 14 years of age.....?
The problem I have with Curbs is that the fan base seems split if he was in charge. We need to be a united as a club now. I think this would be detrimental for the club going forward.
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Much prefer Ac to Sven the gold digger or KMac the inexperienced. Lets face it, if we're not getting a dream appointment - Jol, Moyes, who's better the AC? The thirst for a "big name" doesn't do it for me. Lets get a man of substance and stability.
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come in gerard, please not AC
Tell me, what do you think is wrong with Curbishley?
His face?
Ok, maybe we can have an answer from somebody over 14 years of age.....?
Fourteen and a half actually. I do apologise for lowering the intellectual tone though. Obviously 200 and whatever pages in to a thread where I, you and everyone else still don't have a shinty who the new manager is going to be has made me feel rather blase about the speculation.
It made me chuckle hehe!!
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Curbishley is an average man and an average manager, with an average outlook and an average tone, with an average media persona and an average manner. He would be played by William H Macy in a film, and come across as a bit wimpy, and continue to be average.
That is what is wrong with him.
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come in gerard, please not AC
Tell me, what do you think is wrong with Curbishley?
His face?
Ok, maybe we can have an answer from somebody over 14 years of age.....?
The problem I have with Curbs is that the fan base seems split if he was in charge. We need to be a united as a club now. I think this would be detrimental for the club going forward.
Split in what sense?
I appreciate we are just a small microcosm of the club's support, but I was thinking earlier today that I can't really remember another issue on here on which so many people were in agreement on the point in question.
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Much prefer Ac to Sven the gold digger or KMac the inexperienced. Lets face it, if we're not getting a dream appointment - Jol, Moyes, who's better the AC?
Legion. At least we could claim on the insurance.
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Curbishley is an average man and an average manager, with an average outlook and an average tone, with an average media persona and an average manner. He would be played by William H Macy in a film, and come across as a bit wimpy, and continue to be average.
That is what is wrong with him.
So who is your choice Jim?
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come in gerard, please not AC
Tell me, what do you think is wrong with Curbishley?
His face?
Ok, maybe we can have an answer from somebody over 14 years of age.....?
The problem I have with Curbs is that the fan base seems split if he was in charge. We need to be a united as a club now. I think this would be detrimental for the club going forward.
Split in what sense?
I appreciate we are just a small microcosm of the club's support, but I was thinking earlier today that I can't really remember another issue on here on which so many people were in agreement on the point in question.
(http://www.futurecrimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/simpsons_torch_mob-300x255.jpg)
Alot of my mates would not mind Curbs, my dad is the same. The point is we need to be united behind the club. If we arent then the club, manager and board are all pulling in different dimensions.
Just to be clear, I don't want him myself
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I feel i have to explain myself now, it did not even occur to me that the players he listed were black, i just see them as Villa players i only see claret and blue
Fair enough.
dave it took me back to a comment you made about the players getting off the coach at VP and not responding to people that would happily throw themselves under the coach for The Villa, that was what i was getting at, sadly i was to naive to understand that somehow people still think that BFR is a racist
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8964159.stm
Is Carlos in the frame? I certainly hope so as I have €4 on him at 250/1....
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The appointment of getting a manager is becoming almost as tedious as watching Big bastard Brother every night.
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The link being Sven and ulrika!
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This whole interview process is a load of bollox and we are more and more becoming a laughing stock. Curbishley has been out of football for 2 years and Houllier has got a pace maker. I'm struggling to understand why we can't approach a currently employed manager as long as we get permission. If not just unsettle him spurs style.
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dave it took me back to a comment you made about the players getting off the coach at VP and not responding to people that would happily throw themselves under the coach for The Villa, that was what i was getting at, sadly i was to naive to understand that somehow people still think that BFR is a racist
It's true I don't have a great opinion of Premier League footballers.
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Being Aston Villa, we expect and should get the very best manager we can. I know that the board recognise this, but have a feeling they're so committed to playing it with a straight bat we will have to settle for a second choice manager.
If this is to be the case, I've got mixed emotions - on one hand we should be commended for such moral behaviour, but I just wish (and hope) we have pulled something out of the hat and nicked someone top drawer. Something about nice guys never winning...
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I am of the opinion that Randy was keen to talk with Curbishley as he's an ex Villa player as wel as an ex Prem. Manager.
I hope the intrigue stopped there.
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Let's wait and see - we could all be in for a huge shock!
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For the first time ever in the history of broadcast radio, Phil Upton had a fair point on his show this morning. Harping on about ' building a dynasty' with MON started, Curbishley & MacDonald are the 2 appointments that would, given the loyalty they've shown, carry on this mantra.
On the other hand, your 'maverick' continental types will only stick around a couple of years, & we'll be doing this process all over again.
This all makes me very confused as to who I actually want - as opposed to who would actually do the best job.
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Let's wait and see - we could all be in for a huge shock!
Yeah the shock being Randy is actually a plonker if he appoints people been talked off
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Re:east19
Is there something you know!?
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I'm totally brassed off with the whole thing.. The available cantidates are poor and unless Randy is so persuasive that Davie boy rushes down from Everton or Hiddink comes over from whichever European tax haven he's in at the moment then I think we need to stabilise and try to rescue a season which has the potential to go tits up in a big way.
I think the idea if BFR in combination with Kmac and the present coaching staff would work... At least we would have some entertainment rather than the fairly sterile stuff played out last season.
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Good God, not Curbishley. What are they thinking. I just feel we are going back into a malaise. What a pisser.
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Curbs would be better than Southgate, MacDonald, Zola or Bradley, on a par with Houllier and Klinsmann, worse than Koeman, Erikkson or Jol and miles behind Hinnink or Moyes. Thats about how i see it.
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I'm starting to think Houllier may be the one that gets picked. After all he ticks all the boxes. Out of work, Prem experience, big name (worked at a high level), good with young players, good network for scouting, is a respectable figure in the game.
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Curbishley is an average man and an average manager, with an average outlook and an average tone, with an average media persona and an average manner. He would be played by William H Macy in a film, and come across as a bit wimpy, and continue to be average.
That is what is wrong with him.
I think a fair few -certainly outside of B6- would say he's ideal for us then.
Not me though.
Look at our appointments in recent years; DOL (twat that he is) secured CL football for Leeds. MON: CL football and trophies at Celtic and even trophies at Leicester. We can pour scorn on those achievements as much as we like, but it's undeniable that he was one of the most popular managers in Britain at the time we appointed him, linked with the very best jobs.
It's no guarantee -as we have seen- that a manager enjoying a fair degree of success at other clubs will automatically take it with him.
But Curbishley and the like pretty much guarantee mediocrity.
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I would take Houllier, Zola or Bradley over Curbishley. And obviously Klinsmann. It has been said previously but he has no affinity with us really. We bought him at the back end of his career and he only played for us 36 times. He is Mr Monotone, average, mid table at best, fine if that is the criteria we are now seeking, then he is perfect. But look forward to years of dullness.
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I think Houllier would piss Randy's cash away on poor but cheap French imports.... His record at redscouse suggests that a fair amount of pain would follow. No thanks
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I think the idea if BFR in combination with Kmac and the present coaching staff would work... At least we would have some entertainment rather than the fairly sterile stuff played out last season.
I hope you're being sarcastic?
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Curbs would be better than Southgate, MacDonald, Zola or Bradley, on a par with Houllier and Klinsmann, worse than Koeman, Erikkson or Jol and miles behind Hinnink or Moyes. Thats about how i see it.
That is spot on, just how I see them!
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Houllier also made some quite disparaging remarks about us at the time that both ourselves and his side Lyon were going for Milan Baros in 2005.
Along the lines of he couldn't understand why any top player or any player with ambition would go to Aston Villa.
An elephant never forgets, and neither does Kevin.
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I would take Houllier, Zola or Bradley over Curbishley. And obviously Klinsmann. It has been said previously but he has no affinity with us really. We bought him at the back end of his career and he only played for us 36 times. He is Mr Monotone, average, mid table at best, fine if that is the criteria we are now seeking, then he is perfect. But look forward to years of dullness.
You would really take an American 'soccer' coach or Zola whose only management experience was almost getting West Ham relegated and appearing on match of the day each week like some grinning imbecile who looked even more of a tourist than Cristian Gross at Tottenham over an ex Villa bloke who has had a reasonable amount of success in the past? I don't want Curbs myself ideally, but those 2 would be far worse IMO.
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I'm of the opinion that people are reading way too much into the interview process and the candidates that are being reported as being interviewed. Especially as so much of the reported stuff has proven to be bollox in the last couple of weeks.
If people like Alan Curbishley and Gareth Southgate as ex-players have applied to be our manager, then it seems obvious to me that somebody who has repeatedly shown as much integrity as Randy Lerner has, will give them an interview purely as a courtesy. I think he would pay Kevin MacDonald that courtesy too, because he's a decent bloke.
A decision on which (if any) of the interviewed candidates is offered the job would be made after all of that, so why not pay Curbs some respect and talk to him? He's always struck me as a pleasant bloke, so where's the harm?
If we appoint Curbishley, then I'll be disappointed, but I support Aston Villa FC, not individual managers or players, so I shall go along every week and support them like I've always done.
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Houllier also made some quite disparaging remarks about us at the time that both ourselves and his side Lyon were going for Milan Baros in 2005.
Along the lines of he couldn't understand why any top player or any player with ambition would go to Aston Villa.
An elephant never forgets, and neither does Kevin.
Lets make sure the general hears this!
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Houllier also made some quite disparaging remarks about us at the time that both ourselves and his side Lyon were going for Milan Baros in 2005.
Along the lines of he couldn't understand why any top player or any player with ambition would go to Aston Villa.
An elephant never forgets, and neither does Kevin.
Well done sir,now do you have any dodgy quotes from Curbishley!!
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Curbs would be better than Southgate, MacDonald, Zola or Bradley, on a par with Houllier and Klinsmann, worse than Koeman, Erikkson or Jol and miles behind Hinnink or Moyes. Thats about how i see it.
Ive still not heard anyone make a convincing argument for Koeman...
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He also had a right go at Sander Westerveld soon after he signed a replacement keeper (Dudek, I think) saying publicly he wasn't up to it anymore and generally ridiculing him.
The guy had dropped a few clangers early into the campaign but had been a good, solid keeper prior to that.
When Westerveld responded, saying that he believed himself to be hard done by, and better than the replacement Houllier said something along the lines of "Sander knows that's not true and if he continues I'll sue."
Recall it as I just thought at the time it was a really unnecessary OTT thing to say and marked him out to be a bit of a cant.
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I would imagine now the decision is probably made and hopefully tomorrow we
may finally be put out of our long wait- here's hoping it's the right man .
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Houllier also made some quite disparaging remarks about us at the time that both ourselves and his side Lyon were going for Milan Baros in 2005.
Along the lines of he couldn't understand why any top player or any player with ambition would go to Aston Villa.
An elephant never forgets, and neither does Kevin.
Weren't we saying the same thing at the time, though?
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I would imagine now the decision is probably made and hopefully tomorrow we
may finally be put out of our long wait- here's hoping it's the right man .
That's quite a vivid imagination you have there.
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I fail to see what Curbsley has done to make people think he would not be a good appointment for us in our present state. The guy constantly did a good job at Chalton on little money [which is what our next manager might be asked to do], saved West Ham from almost certain relegation, and stablised them in the mid-table the following season.
Fact is we are not going to get anyone better than MON, most those managers are either in jobs and happy or won't take on a team outside the CL. And given the lack of good candates AC would tick most of the right boxes, experiecned, cool head, works well with young players, and quite smart in the transfer market. If we could get Jol then I would say go for it, but since I don't think we will be able to get him, then Curbs would be my choice.
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We can say it Paulie, outsiders can't.
I draw attention to it because if he rocked up you'd just know he'd peddle the 'famous club/ historic club' shtick which would confirm to me the insincerity of the man.
We've had two self-serving (to different degrees) arrogant waffle kings in the job recently. A change might be nice is all.
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Houllier lands villa job- daily mail breaking story on their website says houllier has got the job!
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Link here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1308543/Gerard-Houllier-lands-job-Aston-Villa-Ex-Liverpool-boss-set-sensational-return-England.html?
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The headline says "Houllier lands Villa job", but when you read the article, it just says we're interviewing him
Not the same thing.
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Unconfirmed from 'a source' Houllier and Moxley doesn't usually fly kites.
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If Curbishley gets the Villa job, Randy might as well sell up. I'm really not joking, if that's the kind of level we can get, then we're going nowhere but backwards.
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Read the article again-bollox
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Don't believe it!
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So you think it's reliable then dave? Could be better but could be a lot worse!
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But Monty who are we going to get who is as good or better than the last manager. Like I said the next level up won't come because of us not being in the CL, and the likes of Moyles and Jol who are around the same bracket are already settled in jobs, as is Hughes. When you take those names out of it, and look at the list AC is the best choice.
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So Houllier it is?
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Its houllier-someone seems to have stole randy's thunder and leaked it.
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Sorry, I don't follow that train of thought at all.
Take out Jol, Moyes and Hughes (with a 12 gauge would be my preference for the latter) and AC becomes the best available bloke in Europe, possibly the world for the job?
Much as I wouldn't particularly want Houllier, Sven and co they are light years ahead of AC. In method and success.
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Its houllier-someone seems to have stole randy's thunder and leaked it.
As you said, could be better could be worse...
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But Monty who are we going to get who is as good or better than the last manager. Like I said the next level up won't come because of us not being in the CL, and the likes of Moyles and Jol who are around the same bracket are already settled in jobs, as is Hughes. When you take those names out of it, and look at the list AC is the best choice.
That's if we're limiting ourselves to this ridiculous cartel of managers who have managed in the Premier League. If the board's managerial scouting is the equivalent of MON's transfer policy then you wonder what the point of the exercise is.
Alan Curbishley, or 'AC' as I hope he never becomes known, is thoroughly limited, retrogressive, unimaginitive, and uninspirational. He's just another member of this merry-go-round of rubbish, along with the likes of Pardew and Megson. He should NEVER manage a club as big as ours. There are better options, more long-term options - we only open our eyes and broaden our reach slightly.
If it is Houiller - ok. Fine. Bit disappointing as I thought they wanted a manager more long-term than a man of his age and health. But fine. Better than Curbishley.
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As for Houllier, stranger things have happend and he would be some different quaities, but at his age and with his previous heath problems, I don't know it would be a great long term appointment, however if it is to be, then so be it, there are worse choices out there. And I will tell my dad what you said about him. ;)
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So Houllier it is?
Read the article, if it doesn't make you feel slightly dirty clicking on the Daily Mail site. Pure speculation, they even dribble on about how he might be appointed Director of Football, not manager.
I read it. I agree the substance of the article is all over the place but they could have some serious egg on their faces tomorrow if he isn't appointed in some capacity?
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But Monty who are we going to get who is as good or better than the last manager. Like I said the next level up won't come because of us not being in the CL, and the likes of Moyles and Jol who are around the same bracket are already settled in jobs, as is Hughes. When you take those names out of it, and look at the list AC is the best choice.
That's if we're limiting ourselves to this ridiculous cartel of managers who have managed in the Premier League. If the board's managerial scouting is the equivalent of MON's transfer policy then you wonder what the point of the exercise is.
Alan Curbishley, or 'AC' as I hope he never becomes known, is thoroughly limited, retrogressive, unimaginitive, and uninspirational. He's just another member of this merry-go-round of rubbish, along with the likes of Pardew and Megson. He should NEVER manage a club as big as ours. There are better options, more long-term options - we only open our eyes and broaden our reach slightly.
If it is Houiller - ok. Fine. Bit disappointing as I thought they wanted a manager more long-term than a man of his age and health. But fine. Better than Curbishley.
Spot on, Monty, spot on.
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Dave woodhalls post just after it suggests he's heard it's houllier too .moxley is usually on the ball with villa - no way he'd run that headline if he wasn't sure.
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I've put money on Houllier.
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I've put money on Houllier.
Good call.
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Houiller seems a very strange choice, to be honset. He seems a thoroughly likeable and knowledgeable bloke - and he has spent the last few years working at Clairefontaine, so if anyone's getting bargains on young French players it's him (and Wenger) - but he's a manager who very much likes to sign players, so I'm not sure how that fits in with the criteria of working with the squad we currently have. He's also fairly old and in notoriously on-off health, so the club's noises about long-term planning and so on would ring a little hollow.
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Seems quite a solid report this time compared to others. Only thing, is he going to be manager or DOF? interesting article though
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Story breaking all over the net , somebodys leaked it- houllier is our man folks!
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Do me a favour Kevin how can you say Sven would be a better appointment than Curbsley. For starters he would only stick around for about a year maybe two tops, which would then leave us back in the same spot. Add to this the fact than he would not get the sort of money he is to, to spend and the fact that since leaving the England job he has been damaged goods [bar the year at City maybe], then it would be one of the worse signings we could make.
No of couse I am not suggesting than their is no other options inbetween Moyles, Jol etc and the rest, but based on his track record in the PL and again who we realiscally will be able to get then I think we could do far worse. After all I do think having recent experience in this league is important.
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Houllier...
A bit of a bizarre choice if true. I can't say I'm delighted.
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I've put money on Houllier.
Your own money?
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Houiller seems a very strange choice, to be honset. He seems a thoroughly likeable and knowledgeable bloke - and he has spent the last few years working at Clairefontaine, so if anyone's getting bargains on young French players it's him (and Wenger) - but he's a manager who very much likes to sign players, so I'm not sure how that fits in with the criteria of working with the squad we currently have. He's also fairly old and in notoriously on-off health, so the club's noises about long-term planning and so on would ring a little hollow.
You're right there Monty, is a concern about his health. Maybe thats why a director of football role was mentioned. We'll soon be finding out!
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/03/gerard-houllier-aston-villa
Director of Football, they say.
*eyes Betfair and Ladbrokes nervously*
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Story breaking all over the net , somebodys leaked it- houllier is our man folks!
I get the impression the whole of Fleet Street (Villa correspondents division) are going with this for tomorrow.
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I got 10/1. Wonder if they will pay out if he is director of football.
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If he comes in he comes in as a manager non of thi director of football biz!
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http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/08/29/look-hou-s-back-gerard-houllier-on-standby-for-aston-villa-job-if-kevin-macdonald-flops-again-102039-22520794/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/03/gerard-houllier-aston-villa
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Can someone give me an example of the Director of Football role working well, anywhere?
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I don’t know how I feel about Houllier. I’m neither excited nor bricking it. I really cannot remember what sort of football Liverpool played under him, but I do remember him wasting a lot of cash and having some dodgy finishes by Liverpool’s standards. By the same token, I also remember him winning quite a lot and having some really good finishes by Liverpool’s modern standards.
I’m airing on the side of optimistic, because for all his faults, at least he knows his business at the right end of the Premier League, whether he takes us higher than O’Neill obviously remains to be seen.
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I've put money on Houllier.
Your own money?
Of course.
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Going by the guardian they're calling it as Houllier as DOF and KM as manager
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If Houllier does come in as a Director of Football, or at least the man to oversee the establishment of an extensive scouting network and deal with transfer targets, then I guess we can take it that one of the men who had Randy’s ear was Sir Graham.
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No of couse I am not suggesting than their is no other options inbetween Moyles, Jol etc and the rest, but based on his track record in the PL and again who we realiscally will be able to get then I think we could do far worse. After all I do think having recent experience in this league is important.
Actually it's never been less important for a coach to have had experience in a league, especially the Premier League in fact. Every facet of the English game is broadcast, watched and scrutinised in impossible detail worldwide. Ideas, tactics, training methods etc can get around a coaching community quicker than ever before. The only important thing is to speak the language.
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Kmac as coach , not manager!
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Do me a favour Kevin how can you say Sven would be a better appointment than Curbsley. For starters he would only stick around for about a year maybe two tops, which would then leave us back in the same spot. Add to this the fact than he would not get the sort of money he is to, to spend and the fact that since leaving the England job he has been damaged goods [bar the year at City maybe], then it would be one of the worse signings we could make.
No of couse I am not suggesting than their is no other options inbetween Moyles, Jol etc and the rest, but based on his track record in the PL and again who we realiscally will be able to get then I think we could do far worse. After all I do think having recent experience in this league is important.
This is effectively all redundant (a bit like Curbs) if it is Houllier as reports suggest. But I don't see how you can even compare Sven's track record to Curbishley's.
Sven is one of the most successful managers in Europe, with contacts across the globe. Recently he's become adept at the short stay carpark approach to football, but that hasn't always been of his making. He took on the project at Citeh in good faith and looked to be making decent progress there.
He was also manager of England for five years.
Curbs has managed Charlton and West Ham. To mid-table (at best).
If Sven was offered the stability of 3-4 years it wouldn't automatically follow that he'd get bored and be off in 12 months. He has had longevity in other roles.
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getting interesting, time to de-lurk !
dave, do you think Houliier is being lined up as DOF / technical director with KMD manager ?
or will Houllier be the manager ?
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I'd like to believe that we are going to try and copy the Lyon model, hence the appointment of Houllier.
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I'd like to believe that we are going to try and copy the Lyon model, hence the appointment of Houllier.
We'd need more than just Houiller, as I'm sure you're aware. We'd need a fundamental, top-to-bottom structural revolution, and most importantly we'd need our own Bernard Lacombe. I also happen to think that the structural method of Lyon is unworkable anywhere other than France, but that's another matter.
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If this is true, then I hope it was done with the full agreement of Kevin MacDonald.
(I see nobody has given me an example of where this has worked yet).
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I don’t know how I feel about Houllier. I’m neither excited nor bricking it. I really cannot remember what sort of football Liverpool played under him, but I do remember him wasting a lot of cash and having some dodgy finishes by Liverpool’s standards. By the same token, I also remember him winning quite a lot and having some really good finishes by Liverpool’s modern standards.
I’m airing on the side of optimistic, because for all his faults, at least he knows his business at the right end of the Premier League, whether he takes us higher than O’Neill obviously remains to be seen.
A decent summary, though I wouldn't be as optimistic as you for reasons outlined earlier.
I'd only add to that that £100+ million is a lot for clubs even now to fork out (and we should know). Back then it was huge, and -first few years apart- didn't secure the returns and results the Redscouse would have expected for that outlay.
Some of their football in the latter years was also less than tedious.
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What of this rumour that Moyes cancelled a photoshoot at Everton today due to "personal business" apparently?
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MOre bad pr from the club with the new manager being leaked on the net rather than the club announcing it. At least now we can start to move forwards again.
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what exactly is the model at Lyon ?
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I'd like to believe that we are going to try and copy the Lyon model, hence the appointment of Houllier.
We'd need more than just Houiller, as I'm sure you're aware. We'd need a fundamental, top-to-bottom structural revolution, and most importantly we'd need our own Bernard Lacombe. I also happen to think that the structural method of Lyon is unworkable anywhere other than France, but that's another matter.
Perhaps you are right but the drugs I am taking prevent me from seeing any type of news in anything but the most positive of lights.
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Wonder how Carew feels- didn't houllier get rid of him?
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Houllier positives: won some silverware at Liverpool (quite a lot), his team which won the CL the year after he left, on the inside track with youth development in France, on FIFA technical comittees (just like, err Dr Jo was), wide knowledge of European football could lead to an actual European scouting network, is not Alan Curbishley.
Houllier negatives: bought some utter shite for Liverpool, played some of the most boring, unadventurous football of that era in the PL, getting on a bit, out of the game a while, bought Emile Heskey for lots of money, bought Milan Baros twice
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MOre bad pr from the club with the new manager being leaked on the net rather than the club announcing it. At least now we can start to move forwards again.
Like that never happens anywhere else.
And I'd be very surprised if the new man is anything other than a manager.
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I could see a team of Houllier as a director of football tasked with getting the whole footballing side of the infrastructure of the club ship shape, Kevin MacDonald as first team coach preparing the squad and a manager like Moyes working great together.
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bought Milan Baros twice
Oh God, I think I need to increase the dosage.
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Houllier positives: won some silverware at Liverpool (quite a lot), his team which won the CL the year after he left, on the inside track with youth development in France, on FIFA technical comittees (just like, err Dr Jo was), wide knowledge of European football could lead to an actual European scouting network, is not Alan Curbishley.
Houllier negatives: bought some utter shite for Liverpool, played some of the most boring, unadventurous football of that era in the PL, getting on a bit, out of the game a while, bought Emile Heskey for lots of money, bought Milan Baros twice
You've convinced me.
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Still only those original reports at the moment though. Nothing on sky sports website. I take it they'll want something more substantial before reporting on it.... Or since it's international week, nothing else matters.
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I could see a team of Houllier as a director of football tasked with getting the whole footballing side of the infrastructure of the club ship shape, Kevin MacDonald as first team coach preparing the squad and a manager like Moyes working great together.
Like Moyes would take a job with those restrictions.
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I'd be gutted if we were landed with someone like Curbishley. Awhile ago I suggested that if we got rid of O'Neill, then the likes of Curbishley would be in the frame.
"Nonsense!" cried the antiMONites, "we'll get Mourinho!"
Yeah..like fuck we will.
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If this is true, then I hope it was done with the full agreement of Kevin MacDonald.
(I see nobody has given me an example of where this has worked yet).
Well, Lyon. And remarkably well. But possibly uniquely.
Their structure is remarkable. The head coach is thoroughly expendable, but the chairman (Jean-Michel Aulas), the sporting director (Marino Faccioli), the director of special operations (Mathieu Giraud) and special advisor (Bernard Lacombe) have effectively run the club for a very long time now. They do an awful lot of things very differently to any other club, but I can't remember them all right now. Buy Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski's book "Why England Lose" for details.
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guardian seems to imply houllier won't take over as manager because of health problems
"The 62-year-old has, however, suffered heart problems and it seems highly unlikely that Villa would want him to take over as manager and expose him to the considerable pressure that would accompany that position"
wasn't he manager (not TD or DOF) of lyon for two seasons since leaving liverpool ?
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Houllier positives: won some silverware at Liverpool (quite a lot), his team which won the CL the year after he left, on the inside track with youth development in France, on FIFA technical comittees (just like, err Dr Jo was), wide knowledge of European football could lead to an actual European scouting network, is not Alan Curbishley.
Houllier negatives: bought some utter shite for Liverpool, played some of the most boring, unadventurous football of that era in the PL, getting on a bit, out of the game a while, bought Emile Heskey for lots of money, bought Milan Baros twice
Another negative: Has the heart of a 90 year old Glasweigan tramp.
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I'd like to believe that we are going to try and copy the Lyon model, hence the appointment of Houllier.
Can you describe this Lyon system you talk of. They certainly seem to have a habit of discovering young players that they sell at a huge profit.
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I could see a team of Houllier as a director of football tasked with getting the whole footballing side of the infrastructure of the club ship shape, Kevin MacDonald as first team coach preparing the squad and a manager like Moyes working great together.
Like Moyes would take a job with those restrictions.
What restrictions? Houllier would do all the behind the scenes work, KMac the donkey work on the training ground leaving him to do what he does best.
I dont think for one minute it would happen but its a nice thought anyway. For me.
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Another negative: Has the heart of a 90 year old Glasweigan tramp.
LOL!! I'm off for some shut eye... If the story is true, hopefully it'll sound much better with Millie Clode delivering the news tomorrow morning.
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I'd be gutted if we were landed with someone like Curbishley. Awhile ago I suggested that if we got rid of O'Neill, then the likes of Curbishley would be in the frame.
"Nonsense!" cried the antiMONites, "we'll get Mourinho!"
Yeah..like fuck we will.
Nobody did, but you carry on.
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Kevin does Sven's record in the last ten years hold him up as one of Europes best couchs. I THINK NOT!! He did a avenge at best job with England, and with the exeption of his one year at City where he had a lot of money to spend he has done nothing of any note since. Now I am not saying he is a worse couch than AC [i will keep this up to annoy you ;)], just than given what we need right now AC would be better. And serously what would be the point in bring someone in who will likely bugger off in a years time, thats hardly forward thinking!
But whatever it looks like we might have our man, its a bit out of left feld, and repesents a gamble, but lets go with it and see where it leads us.
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He might also be able to persuade Guillaume Hoarau and Stephane Sessegnon that their futures lie at VP (PSG players, but I'd say he might know them well enough).
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I could see a team of Houllier as a director of football tasked with getting the whole footballing side of the infrastructure of the club ship shape, Kevin MacDonald as first team coach preparing the squad and a manager like Moyes working great together.
Like Moyes would take a job with those restrictions.
What restrictions? Houllier would do all the behind the scenes work, KMac the donkey work on the training ground leaving him to do what he does best.
I dont think for one minute it would happen but its a nice thought anyway. For me.
With an ex-Liverpool manager as his boss and coaching staff imposed on him.
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Managed to get a few quid on GH at 10/1. I cannot see him being anything but the Manager- that is what he board want in place and that is what his cv will be about.
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But whatever it looks like we might have our man, its a bit out of left feld, and repesents a gamble, but lets go with it and see where it leads us.
The problem with the Curbishley suggestion isn't that he's left-field, it's the exact opposite. He's just another personality-less name who mysteriously pops up in connection with managerial jobs. He is a bog-standard sort of target.
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Isn't this what Sir Graham was suggesting? Or maybe I read it wrong. That KM should not be manager, but a "head coach" so to speak, and have somebody else doing the other manager stuff. The board clearly have a high regard for KM as do the players. Yes, Houllier was somewhat suspect as maanger of Liverpool, but he did some good things too. He's also gone back to France and helped shape Lyon and devleoped some good players. If he brings that experience to Villa and helps re-shape the club into a more European model, then why shouldn't we give it a try? It would be very different, and we shouldn't simply dismiss it. It's not been done at Villa before so nobody can honeslty say whether it will work or not.
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I like Millie also ;) I think TDOF idea might be a bit problmetic.
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I remember Houllier came to Liverpool as a joint manager with Roy Evans at that time and it caused untold problems, whether this situation would work better will be interesting....
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Kevin does Sven's record in the last ten years hold him up as one of Europes best couchs. I THINK NOT!! He did a avenge at best job with England, and with the exeption of his one year at City where he had a lot of money to spend he has done nothing of any note since. Now I am not saying he is a worse couch than AC [i will keep this up to annoy you ;)], just than given what we need right now AC would be better. And serously what would be the point in bring someone in who will likely bugger off in a years time, thats hardly forward thinking!
But whatever it looks like we might have our man, its a bit out of left feld, and repesents a gamble, but lets go with it and see where it leads us.
I can't think of any set of circumstances that would make Curbishley a good, progressive choice for us.
Short of a freak accident wiping out every coach and manager in world football except for Curbs. And DOL. And even then I'd have to think about it.
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It should not be Curbishley under any circumstances.
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Managed to get a few quid on GH at 10/1. I cannot see him being anything but the Manager- that is what he board want in place and that is what his cv will be about.
Where?!
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I'd be gutted if we were landed with someone like Curbishley. Awhile ago I suggested that if we got rid of O'Neill, then the likes of Curbishley would be in the frame.
"Nonsense!" cried the antiMONites, "we'll get Mourinho!"
Yeah..like fuck we will.
Nobody did, but you carry on.
I'm pretty sure there were a few people who thought that getting Mourinho was a realistic proposition.
Seeing what actually is available is grim and depressing. If it hadn't been O'Neill who had just left, he'd be the outstanding choice right now.
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I could see a team of Houllier as a director of football tasked with getting the whole footballing side of the infrastructure of the club ship shape, Kevin MacDonald as first team coach preparing the squad and a manager like Moyes working great together.
Like Moyes would take a job with those restrictions.
What restrictions? Houllier would do all the behind the scenes work, KMac the donkey work on the training ground leaving him to do what he does best.
I dont think for one minute it would happen but its a nice thought anyway. For me.
With an ex-Liverpool manager as his boss and coaching staff imposed on him.
Not necessarily his boss. More like a head of another department. And I doubt whether he'd give a toss about the Liverpool/Everton thing as he would be manager of Aston Villa. Also a lot of managers would love to have K Mac as their coach so why would he have a problem with it? He could still appoint other coaches. MON didnt appoint K mac after all. Anyway, its just a fanciful scenario. Nothing more.
I do have doubts about Houllier being physically well enough to manage in the Premier League again.
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Managed to get a few quid on GH at 10/1. I cannot see him being anything but the Manager- that is what he board want in place and that is what his cv will be about.
has been working as a TD with the French FA
think he said a while ago about becoming international manager - maybe he doesn't want the day to day stress of club management
out of Lyon three years now - could probably have got a club manager job before now so I'm guessing he will be DOF not manager
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All bringing in Houiller in a directorial role does is to further strengthen the case for appointing Klinsmann as head coach/manager.
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I remember Houllier came to Liverpool as a joint manager with Roy Evans at that time and it caused untold problems, whether this situation would work better will be interesting....
From memory, Houllier was appointed above Roy Evans. I think that will always cause problems. In this instance - if true - GH and K-Mac would be able to agree what the boundaries are for each role, thereby avoiding some of the previous problems.
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I don't think KM wants to be a manager, even though he finally threw his hat in the ring. maybe this is the compromise where he keeps an elevated status while working with an experienced former manager who will look after a lot of the stuff that he wasn't so keen on doing.
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Managed to get a few quid on GH at 10/1. I cannot see him being anything but the Manager- that is what he board want in place and that is what his cv will be about.
Where?!
Ignore that-got carried away it was 5/1 @ Betfair
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Fine if you want to keep putting words in my mouth then thats up to you. Don't get me wrong if everything was ideally I would go with someone like Jol, but I am just being a little more realistic than some of you.
And the reason I think Curbs would be a decent choice is because he would be already taking over a top six club, who wouldn't need the major works like when O'Neill took change. I also think it is a little unfair to assume he couldn't do the job just because he has only managed at West Ham and Chalton, best on his performances at those clubs doesn't he deserve a chance at a bigger club.
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All bringing in Houiller in a directorial role does is to further strengthen the case for appointing Klinsmann as head coach/manager.
That would be too many layers of management for me. Klinsmann and Houllier would have too many of their own ideas and I'm not sure they'd always be on the same proverbial page as each other.
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I am not saying it would be my choosen manager, but I could see Houllier being the next Manager. I think his personality would appeal to Randy, he has won a few cups & leagues (although I think Lyon always won their league in those days). He has worked with youth players and has premier league experience. And although Moyes odds reducing yesterday shows just relying on odds is a crap idea, Houllier's odds have dropped recently.
Atomicjam in gets a prediction (probably) right for the first time, well, ever.
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All bringing in Houiller in a directorial role does is to further strengthen the case for appointing Klinsmann as head coach/manager.
That would be too many layers of management for me. Klinsmann and Houllier would have too many of their own ideas and I'm not sure they'd always be on the same proverbial page as each other.
On the contrary, they are definitely on the same page when it comes to style of play and youth development. This would mean Houiller could get on with the job of running the scouting network, overseeing the youth program etc. The important thing for me would be that both Klinsmann and Houiller would have to agree on a player before signing him. If one has power to force through a signing without the other person's consent then it wouldn't work - if there is equality then it could.
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This is looking desperate. Non of the Super coaches are available and Randy is too much of a gentleman to encourage someone to walk away from their contract. So the best solution is appoing Houlier as DoF with KMac staying in place as first team coach for remainder of the season. Hopefully Houlier can start making some back ground changes and start looking at signing some overseas players in January. He can also start sounding out some of the better Euro Coaches with a view to an appointment in May/June.
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Agreed, and I think Klinsmann as Villa manager would be too much like Keegan, fine when things are going well, but unable to cope when things go the other way, he would rule too much with his heart, and might be clueless when it comes to tacktics.
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we have to approach this with an open mind. None of us can say with any certainty how this would work, because we've neevr seen it at Villa. You also can't draw upon situations like Comolli/Jol because it isn't the same. KM is a very good coach, and if he is left to oversee all of that, and works with Houllier on development and scouting, then this may be an interesting situation for the club. I certainly don't see it as a negative, and I'm yet to be convinced it will work. I am willing to support it though if this is indeed the direction.
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Fine if you want to keep putting words in my mouth then thats up to you. Don't get me wrong if everything was ideally I would go with someone like Jol, but I am just being a little more realistic than some of you.
And the reason I think Curbs would be a decent choice is because he would be already taking over a top six club, who wouldn't need the major works like when O'Neill took change. I also think it is a little unfair to assume he couldn't do the job just because he has only managed at West Ham and Chalton, best on his performances at those clubs doesn't he deserve a chance at a bigger club.
Isn't that the problem though? Curbishley, or "Curbs" is a "decent" choice. The mediocre choice. He probably won't get us relegated, indeed we'll probably still finish in the Top 10.
And if that's all we've got to look forward to, I'd rather take a risk on an up-and-coming manager - Simon Grayson perhaps. Or a proper big name like Eriksson, tarnished reputation and all.
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I can see Houllier getting a 1 year deal, I think they wanted a Moyes or Hughes but would not go for them as they are both attached. So get in Houllier for 1 season, see how it (and he health wise) goes and then look at things next Summer.
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Well we are hardly talking about a manager pushing retirement age here, and just struggle to see how he has sudderly become a bad manager after all these years of prise. Anyway MOVING ON!! ;D
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From The Guardian
Gérard Houllier could return as Aston Villa's director of football• Former Liverpool manager could link up with Kevin MacDonald
Gérard Houllier could make a surprise return to football with Aston Villa after it emerged last night that the Frenchman is under serious consideration for a director of football role that would see him work alongside Kevin MacDonald.
Villa have been interviewing candidates for the vacant manager's position this week, including MacDonald, who has been in charge on a caretaker basis ever since Martin O'Neill resigned five days before the start of the season, but Houllier is now the leading contender. Houllier has not been involved in management since he left Lyon in 2007 but he has extensive knowledge of English football, following the six years he spent in charge of Liverpool, between 1998 and 2004, and is highly respected within the game.
The 62-year-old has, however, suffered heart problems and it seems highly unlikely that Villa would want him to take over as manager and expose him to the considerable pressure that would accompany that position. A much more plausible scenario would see Houllier work in tandem with MacDonald, who is regarded as an excellent coach but has failed to convince that he is management material during the five games he has spent in charge.
Graham Taylor, the former England and Villa manager, suggested such a structure would work well when he recently held talks with Paul Faulkner, the club's chief executive, to offer advice about O'Neill's successor. Taylor believes that MacDonald's skills are on the training ground and Villa appear to have accepted that is the case. MacDonald , who was interviewed by Randy Lerner, Villa's owner, on Wednesday, has indicated that he would be receptive to working in partnership with a more experienced figure.
There were suggestions last night that Villa would make an appointment today but club officials have indicated a decision is not imminent.
Although Houllier's time at Anfield will be remembered by many Liverpool supporters for the poor signings that were a feature of the latter years of his reign, he also achieved considerable success, most notably in 2001, when the club won three major trophies. His responsibilities at Villa would be wide-ranging and include setting up a worldwide scouting network to address weaknesses in that area.
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If any system could work it might be this way with Mcdonald as couch, a guy like GH could maybe smooth out his flaws. I just don't think The Director of football model works in english football, but I would be happy to be proven wrong.
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If it's Houllier as DOF and KMac as head coach, then it makes a lot of sense from the board's perspective. I think Randy has learned a harsh lesson from the MON situation. He had far too much autonomy and when he walked out it left a huge vacuum. Unfortunately for us, it's being filled with particularly uninspiring options.
What we need right now is a strong leader and personality to make up for a distinct shortfall in that department on the playing staff. With no chance of adding to the playing staff until January, we needed someone to galvanise, organise and inspire - to get us all pulling in the same direction. I just don't think this pair can achieve that if the going gets tough, which it will. And then, who to blame if we're dangerously under-performing?
GT seems to think that Prem clubs need two men to steer them towards success, the job of a modern-day manager being too big for just one man. Tell that to every other club in the league. Tell it to Ancelotti, Redknapp, Wenger and Ferguson.
Personally I'll be unimpressed if this is what we end up with. I've never known a manager hunt to take so long and be so underwhelming. If it were any chairman other than Randy, I think a lot of people would be very suspicious as to why the appointment was made after the closure of the transfer window. Especially if we end up with KMac as de-facto coach and team-picker all along.
We have no choice but to accept what we're given and back it. But I have to admit this state of affairs, should it arise, will be a million miles away from where many of us thought we'd be in our post-Ellis "bright future" come September 2010.
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I can see Houllier getting a 1 year deal, I think they wanted a Moyes or Hughes but would not go for them as they are both attached. So get in Houllier for 1 season, see how it (and he health wise) goes and then look at things next Summer.
Agree wholeheartedly. KMac gets a mentor to compensate for his inexperience. Who knows, maybe they will complement each other. If it doesn't work out at the end of the year, there will be a larger pool of potential managers to choose from.
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I'd like to believe that we are going to try and copy the Lyon model, hence the appointment of Houllier.
I agree we should try the Lyon model! ;D
http://www.jurgita.com/models-id287023.html
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GT seems to think that Prem clubs need two men to steer them towards success, the job of a modern-day manager being too big for just one man. Tell that to every other club in the league. Tell it to Ancelotti, Redknapp, Wenger and Ferguson.
I'd say that Ferguson is pretty much a Director of Football. Apparently he spends little time on the training pitch but his finger prints are all over the infrastructure and networks (as you'd expect after ?? 20 years).
One of the reasons I think he has lasted so long is because he changes his assistant manager every few years. In my mind Kidd, Quieroz, Phelan are like the head coaches to Ferguson's DoF.
I suppose in many ways its just semantics.
Here's a question: If Houllier was to be DoF, would you expect him to be in the doug out on match days?
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If it wasn't for his health problems he might be the man although when he coached Pool he had money to spend and players lining up to play for them. Still think the whole process smacks of amateurism.
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GT seems to think that Prem clubs need two men to steer them towards success, the job of a modern-day manager being too big for just one man. Tell that to every other club in the league. Tell it to Ancelotti, Redknapp, Wenger and Ferguson.
I'd say that Ferguson is pretty much a Director of Football. Apparently he spends little time on the training pitch but his finger prints are all over the infrastructure and networks (as you'd expect after ?? 20 years).
One of the reasons I think he has lasted so long is because he changes his assistant manager every few years. In my mind Kidd, Quieroz, Phelan are like the head coaches to Ferguson's DoF.
I suppose in many ways its just semantics.
Here's a question: If Houllier was to be DoF, would you expect him to be in the doug out on match days?
I agree with your point. The sme could be said about MON. He only really spoke to the players on match days and spent more time in his office than on the training pitch. It doesn't matter what you call these guys, the players just need to know who's in charge. This DOF works well on paper but has never worked well in practise. One person needs to be ultimatey responsible for buying players, picking teams and results. This guy in charge can then be held accountable and the players know who they need to impress. If we get in GH as DOF he cannot be held accountable for results as KMac is picking the team and he has not appointed Kmac. If Houllier is given DOF then he needs to be able to pick his coach, so he can be held acountable for results.
A new board often appoint a new manger when they take over a club and in the smae vein Houllier needs to be the man in charge and change Kmac if he feels fit.
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Now the cat is out the bag apparently I would hope the club could release a statement to give us the full details of houlliers appointment.
After nearly a month it's not the greatest choice and a lot of chairmen would have gone out and paid to get their man whether in a job or not, could have been better than houllier but could also have been worse.
After almost a month of waiting I'm sure things could have been done much better , but now let's get behind houllier and see where it takes us.
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http://www.lfc-1.com/general/transfers.asp
Can viw his transfer glory on there. Pretty poor!!!
Maybe he has learnt since then to spend more wisely though. More interesting than Curbs, would be interesting if he does a season and then brings a younger manager underneath him like Grayson for example.
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I'd like to believe that we are going to try and copy the Lyon model, hence the appointment of Houllier.
I agree we should try the Lyon model! ;D
http://www.jurgita.com/models-id287023.html
Loving her physical stats
Eyes - blue
Skin - Light tan
Teeth....... Erm, nice
Brilliant!
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Now the cat is out the bag apparently I would hope the club could release a statement to give us the full details of houlliers appointment.
After nearly a month it's not the greatest choice and a lot of chairmen would have gone out and paid to get their man whether in a job or not, could have been better than houllier but could also have been worse.
After almost a month of waiting I'm sure things could have been done much better , but now let's get behind houllier and see where it takes us.
Cat out of what bag (apparently) nothing on OS yet unless I have missed something, its just a report in a paper isnt it?
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I'd like to believe that we are going to try and copy the Lyon model, hence the appointment of Houllier.
I agree we should try the Lyon model! ;D
http://www.jurgita.com/models-id287023.html
i just fell for that,
still not a bad sight in the morning
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That is one of THE most touched up pics I think I've ever seen!
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must admit,
the list of signings that was posted a couple of days ago, when Houlier was at Liverpool, were horrific.
they made MON's look like the work of genius
didnt like the style of play at liverpool either, far to defensive, he might have changed at Lyon.
but hey he's from Europe, and he's got a foriegn sounding name so he must be great !
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houllier as director of football and kev mac as manager ?????
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Its from a report in the Guardian PMK thats all, speculative jounalism I believe.
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No, Houllier as DoF, Curbs as manager and K-Mac as first team coach.
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houllier as director of football and kev mac as manager ?????
Post it on enough threads and it'll definitely come true.
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There I was expecting Sven to take over, now the BBC say he's not in the frame. How would we cope with Bradley as manager he was a cert, oh hang on he's staying in the US. Wait Hitzfelts got the job, interesting, no its Koeman, hang on KM's Randy's cheap and easy choice God help us.
Still Randy knows best even if his sensible method of standard interview practice does break the mold of the usual PL selection circus. Hang on Curbishley has the job DW hints and he's such a cert fans are sending season tickets back, how will we cope.
Ah well as there's no chance of getting a decent manager, our owner being too ethical and lacking in ambition, boring Curbishley is the man expect announcement this afternoon to ensure a miserable weekend.
No wait now, seems no announcement is imminent, how strange. Oh there you are forget Curbishley, koeman, Sven, Houlliers got the job guaranteed perhaps with KM as his number 2.
Problem solved, bring on Stoke.
Or is it ?
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Looks like Houllier then, considering we can't really get the likes of Jol/Moyes after O'Neill left us so far in the shit, I'm relativity happy.
Plus, he knows all the french youth, we might get a few quality young players in.
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I've just stuck some money on the Boggly eyed defiblarator dodger at Ladbrokes.
The've suspended it at William Hill.
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Now the cat is out the bag apparently I would hope the club could release a statement to give us the full details of houlliers appointment.
After nearly a month it's not the greatest choice and a lot of chairmen would have gone out and paid to get their man whether in a job or not, could have been better than houllier but could also have been worse.
After almost a month of waiting I'm sure things could have been done much better , but now let's get behind houllier and see where it takes us.
Cat out of what bag (apparently) nothing on OS yet unless I have missed something, its just a report in a paper isnt it?
Remember this guy also assumed "the cat was out of the bag" regarding Klinsmann, Koeman and Sven.
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It's a pretty poor choice overall.
Pretty galling when you see the strides Spurs have made in the last 12 months, we seem to be going backwards.
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SSN website reporting that Roberto Donadoni has applied for the job too.
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Looks like Houllier then, considering we can't really get the likes of Jol/Moyes after O'Neill left us so far in the shit, I'm relativity happy.
Plus, he knows all the french youth, we might get a few quality young players in.
Why can't we still get the likes of Jol or Moyes ?
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It's a pretty poor choice overall.
Pretty galling when you see the strides Spurs have made in the last 12 months, we seem to be going backwards.
Quite.
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Looks like Houllier then, considering we can't really get the likes of Jol/Moyes after O'Neill left us so far in the shit, I'm relativity happy.
Plus, he knows all the french youth, we might get a few quality young players in.
Why can't we still get the likes of Jol or Moyes ?
Well, theoretically we still can, but Moyes and Jol wouldn't want to move clubs this early in the season i fear, and we'd probably have to throw a lot of money at them, which I'm not 100% sure that we have.
I'd be over the moon if we got either of them though.
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According to Teamtalk Roberto Donadoni is interested now!!!
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/6355046/Donadoni-interested-in-Villa-job
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It's a pretty poor choice overall.
Pretty galling when you see the strides Spurs have made in the last 12 months, we seem to be going backwards.
Quite.
Er... assuming that IS the choice. Wasn't the choice Curbishley yesterday? How do you know it won't be something different tomorrow? Isn't this just the club exploring different options? Weren't the odds for Moyes taking over plunging just a couple of days ago? Why is it whenever a new rumour surfaces people go "well that's it then"?
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According to the papers, there were only two candidates in the final round, possibly Houllier and Curbishley. Houllier is the favourite, but a final decision will be made during the weekend, and the new manager will be announced on Monday.
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If Houllier is the best our board can come up with, and Curbishley a close second it would seem that they are in the wrong job.
Out of work managers tend to be out of work for a reason.
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According to Teamtalk Roberto Donadoni is interested now!!!
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/6355046/Donadoni-interested-in-Villa-job
Scroll up 3 posts :)
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It's a pretty poor choice overall.
Pretty galling when you see the strides Spurs have made in the last 12 months, we seem to be going backwards.
Houllier has won more silverware than Redknapp ever will.
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Wolfsburg chose Steve McLaren over Gerrard Houllier
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A couple of things;
First, this Director of Football thing. I agree with the poster above that for all intents and purposes that Alex Ferguson is more or less a DoF. And for that case O'Neill was, and probably half the league managers. Leaving the Assitant Manager with "coaching".
Second, there are some right ignorant people on here regarding heart problems and recovery.
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Wolfsburg chose Steve McLaren over Gerrard Houllier
We chose Downing ove Bent!
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We chose Downing ove Bent!
eh?
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Gerrard Houllier? Who?
He's a nobody.
I will be fucking furious if he gets the job.
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Gerrard Houllier? Who?
He's a nobody.
I will be fucking furious if he gets the job.
Same here, hopefully this drip feeding of names to test fans reactions will mean we might have to dip into the £18M Milner pot to get a manager who is good enough to have a job currently.
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Gerrard Houllier? Who?
He's a nobody.
I will be fucking furious if he gets the job.
Same here, hopefully this drip feeding of names to test fans reactions will mean we might have to dip into the £18M Milner pot to get a manager who is good enough to have a job currently.
Won more silverware than any Villa manager in probably everyone living memory on here.
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Gerrard Houllier? Who?
He's a nobody.
I will be fucking furious if he gets the job.
I can understand people not wanting Houllier as manager for different reasons, but he's hardly a 'nobody', is he?!
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Was it Houllier that got rid of Carew for Baros? Wonder how they will get on. Happy enough with Houllier though, he needs to be the manager. This director of football lark does not work in the PL.
No one knows if this is a goer yet though, we could all be on the wrong track.
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I'm not keen on the idea of a Director of Football.
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The DoF structure works well at Bayern. There, what we would call DoF, they call the Manager (Uli Hoeness), and what we could call the Manager, they call the Trainer (Luis van Gaal).
The Trainer doesn't go out and choose players to sign, in theory at least, just tells the manager the sorts of players he needs, and the Manager goes out and buys a bunch of players and says to the Trainer, "here, I bought you these, now win the league again with them".
But the Trainer chooses the tactics and formation and team etc. Were KMac to be Trainer in this context, I would worry.
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Donadoni? (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6355015,00.html)
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A couple of things;
First, this Director of Football thing. I agree with the poster above that for all intents and purposes that Alex Ferguson is more or less a DoF. And for that case O'Neill was, and probably half the league managers. Leaving the Assitant Manager with "coaching".
No, Ferguson is a manager. He does the transfers, sorts out contracts, speaks to (some of) the press and everything else - but most importantly he picks the team. He throws the tea cups and turns the hairdryer on full blast at half time when things turn to shit. He's the manager.
The coaching staff, or assistant manager and his team, is what it's always been. There is no director of football at Old Trafford. Or at Chelsea. And I'm struggling to see how it would work here.
My gut instinct is that Houllier - if indeed it is he who tops our admittedly weak list of candidates - would come in as manager in the traditional sense, with the possibility that KMac becomes his assistant. So that KMac plays a big part in coaching the players, and Houllier picks the team. A DOF doesn't pick the team.
We'll have to wait and see how the board play it. It might not be Houllier after all.
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But the Trainer chooses the tactics and formation and team etc. Were KMac to be Trainer in this context, I would worry.
Agreed. I'm very unimpressed by KMacD's tactics and team selection.
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Donadoni? (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6355015,00.html)
Stan's brother has put him in for the job.
Don't know enough about him, but he doesn't meet the criteria if they're sticking to it.
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I can see Houllier getting a 1 year deal, I think they wanted a Moyes or Hughes but would not go for them as they are both attached. So get in Houllier for 1 season, see how it (and he health wise) goes and then look at things next Summer.
I'd rather see us have a long term plan. I'd be hoping there was no uncertainty surrounding our manager's future so that we could push on immediately.
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Gerrard Houllier? Who?
He's a nobody.
I will be fucking furious if he gets the job.
I can understand people not wanting Houllier as manager for different reasons, but he's hardly a 'nobody', is he?!
Firstly Im not so sure he'd be my first choice as a replacement, but his CV is far greater than some of the other names that people
are shouting for.. And as a previous poster quite rightly pointed out in a four or five year spell at Liverpool he won more there than we have won in 25+years he's also won league titles & other silverware in France so hardly a nobody?
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But the Trainer chooses the tactics and formation and team etc. Were KMac to be Trainer in this context, I would worry.
Agreed. I'm very unimpressed by KMacD's tactics and team selection.
Yep.
I can't understand how anyone thinks a central two of Ireland and Petrov is not going to get walked through at will, for starters, and I think that's what he wanted to play against Everton, too.
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Won more silverware than any Villa manager in probably everyone living memory on here.
So when there was grumblings about MON last season and we wondered who we could get that was better than him, was the first name that popped into your head, Gerard Houllier, I bet it wouldn't have made the top 20.
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Two little known facts about Houllier.
1. Concerning his "health problems." He suffered a dissected aorta in 2001 at half time during the game with Leeds. This condition has nothing to do with a myocardial infarction (heart attack) as has been reported. Aortic dissection is not associated with heart disease.
2. Today he is 63. I know that to the young Turks on here that's as good as having one foot in the grave, but thankfully these days it's more like middle age.
Happy Birthday Gérard.
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Just taking a look at the various things happening while Houllier was at Liverpool.
Amongst others he signed.......Emile Heskey. Amongst others he got rid of.....Brad Friedl.
In 2001 he took them to a 2nd placed finish, thats as good as anybody has done for them in 20 years.
If he is working alongside someone, the definition of roles must be sorted out. Remember when he first arrived at Liverpool, he was working alongside Roy Evans in an unusual joint management role which frankly was never going to last.
Keep in mind he is 63, and he did suffer soem heart problems back in 2001.
None of the above are reasons in themselves to appoint him or not, but do provide food for thought.
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I'm bracing myself for a real disappointment in who is eventually appointed.
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The names on this poll are now a bit out of date - time for a new one with only the serious contenders on it, together with a "none of the above" option??
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His age or health aren't any issue for me E I Adio. I think he could be a good manager for us. I think there are better managers out there and that there are worse. I would be somewhat underwhelmed by his appointment for the simple reason I never was impressed by him at 'pool in spite of his trophies. I guess Rafa's early success with them was thanks to Houllier's squad too?
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But the Trainer chooses the tactics and formation and team etc. Were KMac to be Trainer in this context, I would worry.
Agreed. I'm very unimpressed by KMacD's tactics and team selection.
Yep.
I can't understand how anyone thinks a central two of Ireland and Petrov is not going to get walked through at will, for starters, and I think that's what he wanted to play against Everton, too.
Agreed. We would have been totally and thoroughly slaughtered by Everton had Ireland not been unlucky in the warm-up.
Donadoni? (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6355015,00.html)
Stan's brother has put him in for the job.
Don't know enough about him, but he doesn't meet the criteria if they're sticking to it.
I like Donadoni, a certain amount of steel lies beneath the slightly flimsy-seeming appearance (remember, this is a guy who nearly died in a latter-stages European Cup game, only to come back and play, and score, in the final). He won't get it, though, because our board values Premier League experience over quality of applicant.
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So we're still no clearer who the 5th candidate is? Where exactly did it say there are 5 people being interviewed anyway?
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But the Trainer chooses the tactics and formation and team etc. Were KMac to be Trainer in this context, I would worry.
Agreed. I'm very unimpressed by KMacD's tactics and team selection.
Yep.
I can't understand how anyone thinks a central two of Ireland and Petrov is not going to get walked through at will, for starters, and I think that's what he wanted to play against Everton, too.
Agreed. We would have been totally and thoroughly slaughtered by Everton had Ireland not been unlucky in the warm-up.
Donadoni? (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6355015,00.html)
Stan's brother has put him in for the job.
Don't know enough about him, but he doesn't meet the criteria if they're sticking to it.
I like Donadoni, a certain amount of steel lies beneath the slightly flimsy-seeming appearance (remember, this is a guy who nearly died in a latter-stages European Cup game, only to come back and play, and score, in the final). He won't get it, though, because our board values Premier League experience over quality of applicant.
plus he's done pretty much feck all as a coach. he is in the koeman category for me.
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Donadoni is a man who impresses many with his grasp of tactics, psychology and fitness training. Almost what you might call a leading theorist on the matter. It's true he has limited experience, though.
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Donadoni is a man who impresses many with his grasp of tactics, psychology and fitness training. Almost what you might call a leading theorist on the matter. It's true he has limited experience, though.
just think monty,
an Italian coach at Villa,
must be your dream ticket, all those defensive midfielders to pack out the midfield, never again will you see two strikers up front trying to win a game, when theres the more important task of not losing it.
bet your beside yourself with excitment
[only joshing mate]
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Pleased you're joshing, John, because I don't like two up front because it's actually defensive! If you have two up front you have to make up for the huge short fall in midfield, so you are forced to sit deep and counter-attack. It can work, but me no like. I also don't really like specialist defensive midfielders, because if you just pack the place with defensive specialists then your ball retention will be poor.
Besides, Donadoni is attack-minded. His mentor was Arrigo Sacchi, one of the greatest attacking tacticians of all time in any sport.
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Won more silverware than any Villa manager in probably everyone living memory on here.
So when there was grumblings about MON last season and we wondered who we could get that was better than him, was the first name that popped into your head, Gerard Houllier, I bet it wouldn't have made the top 20.
No, because I liked MOn.
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Pleased you're joshing, John, because I don't like two up front because it's actually defensive! If you have two up front you have to make up for the huge short fall in midfield, so you are forced to sit deep and counter-attack. It can work, but me no like. I also don't really like specialist defensive midfielders, because if you just pack the place with defensive specialists then your ball retention will be poor.
Besides, Donadoni is attack-minded. His mentor was Arrigo Sacchi, one of the greatest attacking tacticians of all time in any sport.
like i said mate, only joshing, got to have a bit of a laugh or we'd all be crying
funny thing is with Italian coaches, England have got the only one who only seems to know just one formation
we will always differ on this formation lark. for me its still more about the players and there abilities rather than where they play,
for instance take Barca, they may only play with one up front, but when you have Iniesta, Messi,Xabi etc, it doesnt really matter because they will always cause massive problems going forward,
its a bit different when you have Petrov, NRC etc
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Lots or reports that only houllier and curbs made the final stage interview so Sven musnt have impressed- not my choice but I'd take houllier ahead of o neill- hopefully we can move on and go forward.
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No, Ferguson is a manager. He does the transfers, sorts out contracts, speaks to (some of) the press and everything else - but most importantly he picks the team. He throws the tea cups and turns the hairdryer on full blast at half time when things turn to shit. He's the manager.
The coaching staff, or assistant manager and his team, is what it's always been. There is no director of football at Old Trafford. Or at Chelsea. And I'm struggling to see how it would work here.
I made my point badly. I would expect a DoF to do the Manager stuff ferguson does, and the Coach to coach. It's just words to me.
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like i said mate, only joshing, got to have a bit of a laugh or we'd all be crying
funny thing is with Italian coaches, England have got the only one who only seems to know just one formation
we will always differ on this formation lark. for me its still more about the players and there abilities rather than where they play,
for instance take Barca, they may only play with one up front, but when you have Iniesta, Messi,Xabi etc, it doesnt really matter because they will always cause massive problems going forward,
its a bit different when you have Petrov, NRC etc
There's a bit of a myth about Capello that he only knows the one formation. Fact is that England are meant to play 4-2-3-1, but the players drift into 4-4-2. Besides, Capello invented 3-4-1-2, won the Champions' League with 4-4-1-1, won La Liga with a type of 4-3-2-1 with the full backs providing most of the width, and so on. A truly great tactician.
You're absolutely right, though, it's about the players you have first and foremost, but how you use them is crucial. Look at Sunderland. Their best chance of scoring ever is to get Darren Bent space in front of goal. How do they do it? By playing two defensive midfielders and giving Bent a target man partner in attack to deflect attention on the counter-attack. It wouldn't work at the very highest level, where you have to control games to win them, but it's fine for Sunderland.
For me, our best current formation is a 4-2-3-1 with Petrov and NRC holding, but it must be improved upon. We'll never be Barca, who have that amazing fluidity from a combination of amazing talent, brilliant tactical intelligence great coaching and just playing together for ages, but we can be more fluid than we are. The key player to be improved upon there is NRC, as his lack of ability on the ball constantly loses momentum in attacks. A more well-rounded player is needed.
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It's gonna be Houllier ladies. Get your bets on.
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I'm warming to the idea of Maradonna.
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I'm still pretty cool over this. Sven, Houllier, Curbs are all short term appointments, if not I'm quiet happy to have a bet with someone who thinks they'll last longer than O'Runner.
Give them an 18 month contract, pay them off next summer and then have a good crack at getting Jol or Moyes in as it's near impossible to get either right at this minute.
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Id be up for maradona, it would be a laugh at least..........
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Pleased you're joshing, John, because I don't like two up front because it's actually defensive! If you have two up front you have to make up for the huge short fall in midfield, so you are forced to sit deep and counter-attack. It can work, but me no like. I also don't really like specialist defensive midfielders, because if you just pack the place with defensive specialists then your ball retention will be poor.
Besides, Donadoni is attack-minded. His mentor was Arrigo Sacchi, one of the greatest attacking tacticians of all time in any sport.
like i said mate, only joshing, got to have a bit of a laugh or we'd all be crying
funny thing is with Italian coaches, England have got the only one who only seems to know just one formation
we will always differ on this formation lark. for me its still more about the players and there abilities rather than where they play,
for instance take Barca, they may only play with one up front, but when you have Iniesta, Messi,Xabi etc, it doesnt really matter because they will always cause massive problems going forward,
its a bit different when you have Petrov, NRC etc
Wasn't it ferguson who said formation only needs to come into play when you haven't got the ball.
When attacking you just let your players play?
Granted it's a bit different when you have the likes of giggs, scholes, Rooney and nani in your team compared to sidwell, NRC and petrov but I can see his point.
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Am I imagining an increase in 'leaks' in the last few days?
Is it an attempt by the club to see fan reaction or just coincidence ?
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Am I imagining an increase in 'leaks' in the last few days?
Is it an attempt by the club to see fan reaction or just coincidence ?
If it was for fan reaction it would show us to be exactly what every fanbase is; a dysfunctional family with multi-personalities.
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Wasn't it ferguson who said formation only needs to come into play when you haven't got the ball.
When attacking you just let your players play?
Granted it's a bit different when you have the likes of giggs, scholes, Rooney and nani in your team compared to sidwell, NRC and petrov but I can see his point.
He was exaggerating a little bit, because you've still got to have people covering the counter-attack and so on, but the ideal is absolutely right. If you have two up front, you tend to be telling players where to stand when you have the ball, meaning there is less movement and you inevitably become more direct. If you give the players a little license to move into space if there is some, you will keep the ball better and also be more dangerous and unpredictable.
The most common way to manifest this tactic these days is to have a central defensive midfielder and a centre forward as reference points, or 'pivots' as they are actually known (and not just by me, Hilts!), with the rest of the players having a bit more freedom to play their more natural games. So for Arsenal, Song is the holding midfielder, Van Persie the centre forward and the other players play in areas of the pitch which suit them (Diaby quite deep, Fabregas less so but deeper than Nasri and Arshavin). The trick here is to make sure that all the players' natural games correspond to covering bases on the pitch, as it were. K Mac tried to do a similar thing with Petrov holding and Carew as centre-forward, but neither are really mobile enough to play these roles on their own.
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For me, our best current formation is a 4-2-3-1 with Petrov and NRC holding, but it must be improved upon. We'll never be Barca, who have that amazing fluidity from a combination of amazing talent, brilliant tactical intelligence great coaching and just playing together for ages, but we can be more fluid than we are. The key player to be improved upon there is NRC, as his lack of ability on the ball constantly loses momentum in attacks. A more well-rounded player is needed.
If you are talking about loss of attacking momentium, surely one of the biggest culprits is Petrov with his backwards and sideways passing? We may keep the ball, but the momentum is often lost.
As for Donadoni, he may have all the attribuites you mention on paper, but his management record is pretty mediocre from what I can see.
I've decided all this interviewing mularkey is just bollocks. I don't see why we can't go for someone already in a job unless Randy is trying to avoid compensation. Hodgson was in a job when Liverpool took him, Fulham tried to get Jol who was in a job, Bolton got Coyle off Burnely etc. everyone does it. Whether it's down to some kind of "integrity" or tight fistedness I think we are limiting our options unnecessarilly and shooting and ourselves in the foot massively. And making ourselves look a bit daft and amatuerish into the bargain. Identify the man you want and bust a gut to get him. If it doesn't work, go on to second choice - simples.
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Isn't the job of Director of Football to change the way we play, the type of players we bring in, the tactics we use? KM used the players he had at his disposal in a period of uncertainty.
Granted Houllier isn't a flashy name like Klinsmann, but he's had success here and on the continent. Despite what anyone says those are facts. His job will be to sit down with the coach and say this is the way we are going to play from now on. I'm sure he is different to the man he was at Liverpool. Experience shapes that. Experience with Lyon and with the French technical committee that have helped produce, and are still producing some really excellent players. Why don't we give him a chance to show us what he has learnt before throwing stones at him?
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The thoughts of Houllier make me wince.
All the complaints people made about MON e.g. bad football, bad signings, falling out with players...you can multiply, no square and you get Houllier.
And that's without all the qualities that i think are universally accepted MON brought.
In summary:
(MON - all the good things) X (MON - all the good things) = Houllier.
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Also he is 62/63....hardly a long term replacement.
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For me, our best current formation is a 4-2-3-1 with Petrov and NRC holding, but it must be improved upon. We'll never be Barca, who have that amazing fluidity from a combination of amazing talent, brilliant tactical intelligence great coaching and just playing together for ages, but we can be more fluid than we are. The key player to be improved upon there is NRC, as his lack of ability on the ball constantly loses momentum in attacks. A more well-rounded player is needed.
If you are talking about loss of attacking momentium, surely one of the biggest culprits is Petrov with his backwards and sideways passing? We may keep the ball, but the momentum is often lost.
I was going to write the exact same thing. It's like a computer game when too much appears on the screen and the game slows down or grinds to a halt, Petrov does the same to our attacking moves.
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The thoughts of Houllier make me wince.
All the complaints people made about MON e.g. bad football, bad signings, falling out with players...you can multiply, no square and you get Houllier.
And that's without all the qualities that i think are universally accepted MON brought.
In summary:
(MON - all the good things) X (MON - all the good things) = Houllier.
How about trophies won - trophes won?
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if houllier can come in and do a short term job, and at the same time, help re-establish us with some european scouting, especially with his work at the clairefontaine academy to pass knowledge onto our own youth setup, then i wouldnt be unhappy with the appointment...
i wouldnt be extatic by any stretch, but, we could do worse and his technical knowledge and scouting contacts could help benefit us for the long term benefit of the club...
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I've decided all this interviewing mularkey is just bollocks. I don't see why we can't go for someone already in a job unless Randy is trying to avoid compensation. Hodgson was in a job when Liverpool took him, Fulham tried to get Jol who was in a job, Bolton got Coyle off Burnely etc. everyone does it. Whether it's down to some kind of "integrity" or tight fistedness I think we are limiting our options unnecessarilly and shooting and ourselves in the foot massively. And making ourselves look a bit daft and amatuerish into the bargain. Identify the man you want and bust a gut to get him. If it doesn't work, go on to second choice - simples.
Sadly, I really don't think it is that simple. I honestly don't think you can underestimate the impact of the timing of O'Neill's walkout. No club is going to want to let their manager leave at the very start of the season, and if they could be persuaded it would be by incredible, astronomical compensation. It's bad enough O'Neill leaving as he did; imagine he did so to take up a job at a divisional rival! That's exactly what we would be trying to persuade a club and manager to allow to happen.
It's not impossible, and perhaps the goings on over at Blues might open another door (although I doubt it, and am not too keen on McLeish anyway), but as things stand I think the appointment of a currently serving manager is virtually impossible - and for that, I don't blame the Board.
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The thoughts of Houllier make me wince.
All the complaints people made about MON e.g. bad football, bad signings, falling out with players...you can multiply, no square and you get Houllier.
And that's without all the qualities that i think are universally accepted MON brought.
In summary:
(MON - all the good things) X (MON - all the good things) = Houllier.
What knowledge do you have of his time at Lyon, or are you only using his time at Liverpool to judge Houllier? Big difference and quite unfair. I'm also guessing if he came here and won a League Cup, FA Cup and UEFA Cup in the same season you'd jumping off a nearby bridge?
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The thoughts of Houllier make me wince.
All the complaints people made about MON e.g. bad football, bad signings, falling out with players...you can multiply, no square and you get Houllier.
And that's without all the qualities that i think are universally accepted MON brought.
In summary:
(MON - all the good things) X (MON - all the good things) = Houllier.
How about trophies won - trophes won?
With the money Houllier spent (and this was pre-Abramovich era, so not really comparable to what is spent these days) their little mini treble, was hardly a good return.
A good few of my mates are Liverpool fans and they dont look fondly on the Houllier years.
The way he chased Fowler out of the club was a disgrace. Imagine he did that to Gabby!
Besides, I'm pretty sure MON won a lot more with Celtic....and yes, it's only Scotland and Strachan did too...but you have to remember when MON went up there Celtic had been in the wilderness for best part of a decade and he established them as top dogs in a short period.
Houllier never looked like threatening Man Utd and Arsenal's stranglehold on the title (I know they finished 2nd once, but that was cos either Man U or Arsneal fell away and the other one the title quite comfortably.
Either way, Houllier is down near the bottom of the managers I would want. I'd prefer to give it to some new up and coming manager than him. Simon Grayson, Nigel Clough or Micheal O'Neill....done wonders with Shamrock Rovers in Ireland.
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Either way, Houllier is down near the bottom of the managers I would want. I'd prefer to give it to some new up and coming manager than him. Simon Grayson, Nigel Clough or Micheal O'Neill....done wonders with Shamrock Rovers in Ireland.
Those three have barely any credentials to suggest they could do the job.
Ideally we'd be looking beyond doing good stuff with Shamrock Rovers as proof of quality to be our manager.
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Either way, Houllier is down near the bottom of the managers I would want. I'd prefer to give it to some new up and coming manager than him. Simon Grayson, Nigel Clough or Micheal O'Neill....done wonders with Shamrock Rovers in Ireland.
Those three have barely any credentials to suggest they could do the job.
Ideally we'd be looking beyond doing good stuff with Shamrock Rovers as proof of quality to be our manager.
I agree entirely....not actually suggesting we give it to them.
Im just trying to convey my despair at the thoughts of Houllier.
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Either way, Houllier is down near the bottom of the managers I would want. I'd prefer to give it to some new up and coming manager than him. Simon Grayson, Nigel Clough or Micheal O'Neill....done wonders with Shamrock Rovers in Ireland.
Those three have barely any credentials to suggest they could do the job.
Ideally we'd be looking beyond doing good stuff with Shamrock Rovers as proof of quality to be our manager.
I agree entirely....not actually suggesting we give it to them.
Im just trying to convey my despair at the thoughts of Houllier.
I think it is all dependent on context.
Twelve months ago, suggest Houllier = WTF?
Twelve days ago, suggest Houller = indifference.
Twelve hours ago (ie post Curbishley), suggest Houllier = more appealling.
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I think Houllier will be alright for a year. We're having a gap year anyway, until Hughes or Moyes comes.
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With the money Houllier spent (and this was pre-Abramovich era, so not really comparable to what is spent these days) their little mini treble, was hardly a good return.
A good few of my mates are Liverpool fans and they dont look fondly on the Houllier years.
The way he chased Fowler out of the club was a disgrace. Imagine he did that to Gabby!
Besides, I'm pretty sure MON won a lot more with Celtic....and yes, it's only Scotland and Strachan did too...but you have to remember when MON went up there Celtic had been in the wilderness for best part of a decade and he established them as top dogs in a short period.
Houllier never looked like threatening Man Utd and Arsenal's stranglehold on the title (I know they finished 2nd once, but that was cos either Man U or Arsneal fell away and the other one the title quite comfortably.
Either way, Houllier is down near the bottom of the managers I would want. I'd prefer to give it to some new up and coming manager than him. Simon Grayson, Nigel Clough or Micheal O'Neill....done wonders with Shamrock Rovers in Ireland.
I couldn't care less what a few gloryhunting Liverpool supporters think of an ex-manager. He won more trophies in England than Martin O'Neill did but that doesn't count because, and he finished higher than Martin O'Neill did but that doesn't count because and he supposedly did to one player who went on to do nothing elsewhere than O'Neill has done to plenty at Villa but that doesn't count because.....
Yes, let's have the manager of Shamrock Rovers instead.
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Either way, Houllier is down near the bottom of the managers I would want. I'd prefer to give it to some new up and coming manager than him. Simon Grayson, Nigel Clough or Micheal O'Neill....done wonders with Shamrock Rovers in Ireland.
Those three have barely any credentials to suggest they could do the job.
Ideally we'd be looking beyond doing good stuff with Shamrock Rovers as proof of quality to be our manager.
I agree entirely....not actually suggesting we give it to them.
Im just trying to convey my despair at the thoughts of Houllier.
I think it is all dependent on context.
Twelve months ago, suggest Houllier = WTF?
Twelve days ago, suggest Houller = indifference.
Twelve hours ago (ie post Curbishley), suggest Houllier = more appealling.
In the words of Det. Bunk Moreland:
Makes me sick, motherfucker, how far we done fell.
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Re. Houllier, at least he's got Prem. experience.
I can see why the board want it - it's risky enough as it is taking on a new Manager under these circumstances, but to take one on who'd never managed in the Prem. is a risk too far as it stands.
Liverpool are a very big club; he's used to managing a very big club and even though we managed to get Carew for Baros from Houllier ( i think we got the better deal there!), all managers can make these types of errors.
At least Houllier will go for some foreign input - and I think has a lot of respect in Europe.
Not the ultimate manager, but we aren't spoilt for choice.
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I think Houllier will be alright for a year. We're having a gap year anyway, until Hughes or Moyes comes.
This is how I see it, with Houllier taking a back seat in 12/18 months.
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I've decided all this interviewing mularkey is just bollocks. I don't see why we can't go for someone already in a job unless Randy is trying to avoid compensation. Hodgson was in a job when Liverpool took him, Fulham tried to get Jol who was in a job, Bolton got Coyle off Burnely etc. everyone does it. Whether it's down to some kind of "integrity" or tight fistedness I think we are limiting our options unnecessarilly and shooting and ourselves in the foot massively. And making ourselves look a bit daft and amatuerish into the bargain. Identify the man you want and bust a gut to get him. If it doesn't work, go on to second choice - simples.
Sadly, I really don't think it is that simple. I honestly don't think you can underestimate the impact of the timing of O'Neill's walkout. No club is going to want to let their manager leave at the very start of the season, and if they could be persuaded it would be by incredible, astronomical compensation. It's bad enough O'Neill leaving as he did; imagine he did so to take up a job at a divisional rival! That's exactly what we would be trying to persuade a club and manager to allow to happen.
It's not impossible, and perhaps the goings on over at Blues might open another door (although I doubt it, and am not too keen on McLeish anyway), but as things stand I think the appointment of a currently serving manager is virtually impossible - and for that, I don't blame the Board.
I take the point about timing, and it has made things extra difficult, but if we are genuinely ambitious and serious about getting who we think is the right man for the job I think we should go all guns blazing for him and stop pussyfooting around. It might not work but at least we would have tried.
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I think Houllier will be alright for a year. We're having a gap year anyway, until Hughes or Moyes comes.
This is how I see it, with Houllier taking a back seat in 12/18 months.
That's how I would see it too. At 63 years old Houllier could perhaps be a stop-gap to keep the ship steady until there is a more favourable environment for a longer term solution.
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With the money Houllier spent (and this was pre-Abramovich era, so not really comparable to what is spent these days) their little mini treble, was hardly a good return.
A good few of my mates are Liverpool fans and they dont look fondly on the Houllier years.
The way he chased Fowler out of the club was a disgrace. Imagine he did that to Gabby!
Besides, I'm pretty sure MON won a lot more with Celtic....and yes, it's only Scotland and Strachan did too...but you have to remember when MON went up there Celtic had been in the wilderness for best part of a decade and he established them as top dogs in a short period.
Houllier never looked like threatening Man Utd and Arsenal's stranglehold on the title (I know they finished 2nd once, but that was cos either Man U or Arsneal fell away and the other one the title quite comfortably.
Either way, Houllier is down near the bottom of the managers I would want. I'd prefer to give it to some new up and coming manager than him. Simon Grayson, Nigel Clough or Micheal O'Neill....done wonders with Shamrock Rovers in Ireland.
I couldn't care less what a few gloryhunting Liverpool supporters think of an ex-manager. He won more trophies in England than Martin O'Neill did but that doesn't count because, and he finished higher than Martin O'Neill did but that doesn't count because and he supposedly did to one player who went on to do nothing elsewhere than O'Neill has done to plenty at Villa but that doesn't count because.....
Yes, let's have the manager of Shamrock Rovers instead.
Nice twisting of what I was saying.....
Firstly, the temerity of Liverpool fans to be glory-hunting, that renders their opinions meaningless does it?? Surely the fans of the only club in England he managed for 5 years has some siginificance.
Im sure you realise that the PL is completely different now than it was when Houllier was managing Liverpool. No mega bucks Chelsea, City even Spurs were struggling. Granted you had Leeds for a couple of years splashing the cash. He came into manage Liverpool who had been knocking on the door of a title challenge for years, never mounted a serious challenge, alienated top players. He won that treble of cups when Liverpool should have been (a) challenging for the title (b) in the Champions League not the UEFA Cup. If he could do it with Villa I'd be delighted, but doing it with Liverpool, at that time was not achieving what he was brought in to do.
I can't actually believe I'm having to debate that Houllier is not the right man. I thought there would be universal uproar at this.
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Twelve months ago, suggest Houllier = WTF?
Twelve days ago, suggest Houller = indifference.
Twelve hours ago (ie post Curbishley), suggest Houllier = more appealling.
That's exactly my issue with Houllier, if he replicates what he achieved at Liverpool we'd all be happy, but he's hardly the messiah we were looking for, more of a stop gap.
He might well be the best of the bunch who replied to our advert in Managers Weekly but that doesn't mean he's the best we could have got.
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Nice twisting of what I was saying.....
Firstly, the temerity of Liverpool fans to be glory-hunting, that renders their opinions meaningless does it?? Surely the fans of the only club in England he managed for 5 years has some siginificance.
Im sure you realise that the PL is completely different now than it was when Houllier was managing Liverpool. No mega bucks Chelsea, City even Spurs were struggling. Granted you had Leeds for a couple of years splashing the cash. He came into manage Liverpool who had been knocking on the door of a title challenge for years, never mounted a serious challenge, alienated top players. He won that treble of cups when Liverpool should have been (a) challenging for the title (b) in the Champions League not the UEFA Cup. If he could do it with Villa I'd be delighted, but doing it with Liverpool, at that time was not achieving what he was brought in to do.
I can't actually believe I'm having to debate that Houllier is not the right man. I thought there would be universal uproar at this.
I'm not twisting anything - I'm disagreeing with you. Sorry, but it happens. Like managers walking out and dumping their club in the shit, and Liverpool supporters being gloryhunters.
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He's still many years younger than sir alex and sir bobby was , I would give him A 3 yr deal and hope he can hand on to a younger manager after that , 12 months would leave him somewhat in limbo!
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Houllier on a 12 month contract would be fine if there is really no one out there. But as a long term option i cant see someone that old been the way forward.
As far as director of football (houllier) and coach (Kmac) combo goes, i really cannot see it working.
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Nice twisting of what I was saying.....
Firstly, the temerity of Liverpool fans to be glory-hunting, that renders their opinions meaningless does it?? Surely the fans of the only club in England he managed for 5 years has some siginificance.
Im sure you realise that the PL is completely different now than it was when Houllier was managing Liverpool. No mega bucks Chelsea, City even Spurs were struggling. Granted you had Leeds for a couple of years splashing the cash. He came into manage Liverpool who had been knocking on the door of a title challenge for years, never mounted a serious challenge, alienated top players. He won that treble of cups when Liverpool should have been (a) challenging for the title (b) in the Champions League not the UEFA Cup. If he could do it with Villa I'd be delighted, but doing it with Liverpool, at that time was not achieving what he was brought in to do.
I can't actually believe I'm having to debate that Houllier is not the right man. I thought there would be universal uproar at this.
I'm not twisting anything - I'm disagreeing with you. Sorry, but it happens. Like managers walking out and dumping their club in the shit, and Liverpool supporters being gloryhunters.
Dont see your point about Liverpool supporters....makes no sense. You are criticizing them because they want to win trophies?
The fact that they didnt like a manager who did not bring them the trophies they wanted and should have been competing for renders them glory-hunters?
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Are people pretty certain it is going to be Houllier? Dave?East19? If so will it be as manager or DOF?
I think it would be a great appointment. Our scouting syspem has been lacking for years. I don't buy the list of bad signings. All managers have poor signings and the fact is all of those players would have got in the Villa squad at the same time.
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Dont see your point about Liverpool supporters....makes no sense. You are criticizing them because they want to win trophies?
The fact that they didnt like a manager who did not bring them the trophies they wanted and should have been competing for renders them glory-hunters?
No, supporting Liverpool renders them gloryhunters.
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Dont see your point about Liverpool supporters....makes no sense. You are criticizing them because they want to win trophies?
The fact that they didnt like a manager who did not bring them the trophies they wanted and should have been competing for renders them glory-hunters?
No, supporting Liverpool renders them gloryhunters.
How so?
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Dont see your point about Liverpool supporters....makes no sense. You are criticizing them because they want to win trophies?
The fact that they didnt like a manager who did not bring them the trophies they wanted and should have been competing for renders them glory-hunters?
No, supporting Liverpool renders them gloryhunters.
How so?
Have you ever been to London Euston on the morning of a Liverpool game? Absolute sea of red...utter madness
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Are people pretty certain it is going to be Houllier? Dave?East19? If so will it be as manager or DOF?
I think it would be a great appointment. Our scouting syspem has been lacking for years. I don't buy the list of bad signings. All managers have poor signings and the fact is all of those players would have got in the Villa squad at the same time.
More important question - which one would be on the touchline to be asked to give us a wave?
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The Liverpool team that won the CL in 2005 had 9 of Houliers team in the starting line up, of which he signed 6. Steve G has often praised Houliers contribution to his development. He has won several French titles and got Lyon to the last 8 of the CL . In the UK a league cup, FA cup and UEFA cup. Is widely credited as driving the French academey and youth development that spawned much of the 1998 world cup winning team. Has international management experience which would have been more had it not been for a freak last minute goal.
Apart from Sven I dont see too many other potential candidates with a better traxck record.
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Dont see your point about Liverpool supporters....makes no sense. You are criticizing them because they want to win trophies?
The fact that they didnt like a manager who did not bring them the trophies they wanted and should have been competing for renders them glory-hunters?
No, supporting Liverpool renders them gloryhunters.
Even if they live and grew up in Liverpool? Don't see it myself.
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
Sven & Houllier
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If Houllier is appointed i hope I am completely wrong, maybe he will modernize our scouting structure and bring some new ideas, but I can't see it.
Since he left Liverpool he managed Lyon for 2 years, retained their title both times, but left because they weren't happy that he hadn't improved them from Le Guen's time.
He hasn't even been mentioned for any other PL job in years. He signed Milan Baros twice ffs! Got rid of Carew and Friedel in his days.
I will get behind him of course if he is appointed, but I'll be extremely underwhelmed!
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My first thoughts were 'meh'. Happy to get behind him though.
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
Sven & Houllier
Yes those two have both won more than O'Neill has. And let's not forget that the vindictive timing of O'Neill's walkout has contributed to the relative paucity of the list of managers being considered.
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If Houllier is appointed i hope I am completely wrong, maybe he will modernize our scouting structure and bring some new ideas, but I can't see it.
Since he left Liverpool he managed Lyon for 2 years, retained their title both times, but left because they weren't happy that he hadn't improved them from Le Guen's time.
He hasn't even been mentioned for any other PL job in years. He signed Milan Baros twice ffs! Got rid of Carew and Friedel in his days.
I will get behind him of course if he is appointed, but I'll be extremely underwhelmed!
You are right Houllier is rubbish. I would hate to have a manager that retained the League title twice....
Who would you rather? The trophyless Moyes? Martin Jol? .....
For managers like GH and Sven winning becomes a habit and it is a nice one to have.
Alot of managers have got rid of Carew over the years and Friedel was awful at Liverpool. Who cares if he has not been linked to other Prem jobs that didn't hurt Wenger. If Randy thinks he is the right man, then I trust him.
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No Sven in particular would come for the money and would be off within a year or two. What we want is stability.
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No Sven in particular would come for the money and would be off within a year or two. What we want is stability.
What if he was here for a year or or two and won the FA Cup? Would you prefer someone like Moyes to come in and manage for 8 years and win nothing?
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No Sven in particular would come for the money and would be off within a year or two. What we want is stability.
I would imgaine that would have been a strong negative against Sven. He would have been more exciting, but what kind of stability would we expect? If a bigger job (club or international) comes along chances are he's off. You have to believe he has one eye on Brazil 2014 already for his next serious appointment.
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I can't actually believe I'm having to debate that Houllier is not the right man. I thought there would be universal uproar at this.
I think the uncomfortable truth may be that he's the best we can do right now; and we have to psychologically adapt and accept that and try to look for the positives.
When threatened with Curbishley, Houllier suddenly looks a whole lot better.
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I have no idea what Curbishley brings to the table other than an inability to pronounce words correctly. If we can get FIFA to allow us points for that, then let's get him in. Houllier is a far better option.
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
Sven & Houllier
Seconded, but I didn't want MON to go...just yet.
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Houllier would be fine as far as I'm concerned. Someone who would encourage us to play to feet, be more tactically aware and make better use the talented players we have - not to mention that he would significantly widen our scouting network.
I don't see anything that's not to like - it's an opportunity for the club to broaden its horizons from the English based strategy that has probably taken us as far as it can.
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
all of them, i'd have any one of them over MON
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
Sven & Houllier
Yes those two have both won more than O'Neill has. And let's not forget that the vindictive timing of O'Neill's walkout has contributed to the relative paucity of the list of managers being considered.
.. which is the correct answer
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As an aside, happy birthday Gerard. 63 today.
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Houllier would be fine as far as I'm concerned. Someone who would encourage us to play to feet, be more tactically aware and make better use the talented players we have - not to mention that he would significantly widen our scouting network.
I don't see anything that's not to like - it's an opportunity for the club to broaden its horizons from the English based strategy that has probably taken us as far as it can.
Yes he must know some decent young French prospects, maybe even others like Algerians too, who wouldn't cost a fortune either in transfers or wages, unlike the bulk of MON's signings. Hopefully improve some of the ones we've got as well.
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
Sven & Houllier
Yes those two have both won more than O'Neill has. And let's not forget that the vindictive timing of O'Neill's walkout has contributed to the relative paucity of the list of managers being considered.
.. which is the correct answer
Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
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we are talking as if its definitely going to be Houllier on here at the moment,
has there been any more evidence of his appointment or is he just the latest favourite
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which also contributed to the board going in this direction with the interview process etc. If ultimately we come out of this doing well, then we can only commend the board for being as thorough as possible given what was available. If it doesn't work, and I imagine they will give be as patient as possible, then it will be changed. We just need have an open mind about it if this indeed is the appointment and structure being established.
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we are talking as if its definitely going to be Houllier on here at the moment,
has there been any more evidence of his appointment or is he just the latest favourite
I think the article by Moxley is the most convincing yet. The others have just been links. You're right, this could all just be speculation, but there seems a little more substance this time.
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
Nobody.
Houllier? Sven? Jesus wept.
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
The most limiting factor is this 'Premier League experience' stuff. This is how you rule yourself out for candidates like Klinsmann and end up with Curbishley being interviewed. I agree with every other part of the process the board have taken, but that was a mistake.
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Sadly, I fear this is the time we take a reality check.
Randy appears to be spent out and MON walked out for taht very reason - the timing of which will make him an unliked man at VP forever I would imagine.
This could well be a season of miscontent.
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Sadly, I fear this is the time we take a reality check.
Randy appears to be spent out and MON walked out for taht very reason - the timing of which will make him an unliked man at VP forever I would imagine.
This could well be a season of miscontent.
Ah that famous season of miscontent....
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Houllier would be fine as far as I'm concerned. Someone who would encourage us to play to feet, be more tactically aware and make better use the talented players we have - not to mention that he would significantly widen our scouting network.
I don't see anything that's not to like - it's an opportunity for the club to broaden its horizons from the English based strategy that has probably taken us as far as it can.
Yes he must know some decent young French prospects, maybe even others like Algerians too, who wouldn't cost a fortune either in transfers or wages, unlike the bulk of MON's signings. Hopefully improve some of the ones we've got as well.
Let's get a Spanish manager or Brazilian manager in then as they will obviously know about young players coming through.
Nevermind they're shit managers, just so long as they know some decent players who, more than likely, won't turn out to be any better than the players we've already got.
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what is the longest a premier league team has been without a manager ?
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what is the longest a premier league team has been without a manager ?
Newcastle? Shearer then Hughton....
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Agreed - especially the last line. maybe if we had an owner whose money is concentrated on us and not split between two clubs would be more beneficial. Surely spending big in the States has had an adverse affect on our abilities to spend this summe. for players and a decent manager.
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Sadly, I fear this is the time we take a reality check.
Randy appears to be spent out and MON walked out for taht very reason - the timing of which will make him an unliked man at VP forever I would imagine.
This could well be a season of miscontent.
Ah that famous season of miscontent....
Made Glorious...I am determined to prove a villain...
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Houllier would be fine as far as I'm concerned. Someone who would encourage us to play to feet, be more tactically aware and make better use the talented players we have - not to mention that he would significantly widen our scouting network.
I don't see anything that's not to like - it's an opportunity for the club to broaden its horizons from the English based strategy that has probably taken us as far as it can.
Yes he must know some decent young French prospects, maybe even others like Algerians too, who wouldn't cost a fortune either in transfers or wages, unlike the bulk of MON's signings. Hopefully improve some of the ones we've got as well.
Let's get a Spanish manager or Brazilian manager in then as they will obviously know about young players coming through.
Nevermind they're shit managers, just so long as they know some decent players who, more than likely, won't turn out to be any better than the players we've already got.
To be fair to Houllier, he has been deeply involved in the French academy system for a fair while now.
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Houllier? Sven? Jesus wept.
Houllier - 3 domestic league titles, and a UEFA cup
Sven - 5 domestic league titles, 3 European trophies plus 3 European runners up
Jesus would be moderately impressed, considering.
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
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can the moderators add Houllier to the poll and see how we rate him?
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can the moderators add Houllier to the poll and see how we rate him?
That would only work if everyone was allowed to vote again.
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
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Houllier? Sven? Jesus wept.
Houllier - 3 domestic league titles, and a UEFA cup
Sven - 5 domestic league titles, 3 European trophies plus 3 European runners up
Jesus would be moderately impressed, considering.
Massive over-simplification.
You need to look at the circumstances eg the relative strength of the league and the standing of the team within that league. Weren't Sven's Lazio massively bank rolled? So if we are to be similarly bankrolled then his priors are relevant otherwise not. I think we need a guy who has had limited resourced but made a pretty good team play above their natural level, something which MON was able to do and BFR for that matter. Someone like Hughes or Allerdyce would fit here but aren't available therefore, probably AC is the best option of those available. Ideally we would get someone like Jol. If that is the end game why not line him up and leave KMac in charge in the interim. Medium term thinking over short termism.
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I'm struggling to see the aversion to Houllier. He is similar to Hodgson in terms of age and experience - the only difference being that he has won a lot more trophies.
Manager come in and go out of vogue. Two years ago Hodgson wouldn't have been anywhere near the Liverpool job - he does a decent job at Fulham after a bad experience at Blackburn and it all changes.
I think Houllier would be the right kind of manager for us now - someone who can broaden the narrow approach to players and tactics we've had for a number of years.
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
i know i'l be out on me own,
but i would love Holloway over quite a lot of the other prospective candidates
and i already said so on page 2 of this thread
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agree with that. as long as he's manager not, as some reports would have it, a Director of Football.
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
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In the last couple of hours the odds on KMac have gone from 11-8 to 10-11 and on Houllier from 2-1 to 9-4. Curbishley has lengthened from 3-1 to 9-2. Next best is Eriksson at 10-1.
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe
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Sorry John e - but I sincerely hope you are on your own with that.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Houllier? Sven? Jesus wept.
Houllier - 3 domestic league titles, and a UEFA cup
Sven - 5 domestic league titles, 3 European trophies plus 3 European runners up
Jesus would be moderately impressed, considering.
Massive over-simplification.
You need to look at the circumstances eg the relative strength of the league and the standing of the team within that league. Weren't Sven's Lazio massively bank rolled? So if we are to be similarly bankrolled then his priors are relevant otherwise not. I think we need a guy who has had limited resourced but made a pretty good team play above their natural level, something which MON was able to do and BFR for that matter. Someone like Hughes or Allerdyce would fit here but aren't available therefore, probably AC is the best option of those available. Ideally we would get someone like Jol. If that is the end game why not line him up and leave KMac in charge in the interim. Medium term thinking over short termism.
Was MON not massively bankrolled at Celtic relative to the League?
I can't understand why people want managers who have won nothing.
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
If we have tried for the likes of Moyes/Jol/Hughes and cannot attract them due to them having morals about not leaving their current roles so soon into the new season then so be it. We will just have to put it down to bad timing which is of course why MON probably chose when he did to leave as he knew it would have maximum effect.
How much longer do you think it will be before we hear an announcement on who the new Manager will be if you don;t mind me asking?
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
hmmm...Moyes, maybe. The 5th one is a mystery. It isn't Bradley or Klinsmann by all accounts. I see Donadoni has thrown his hat in the ring.
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Dont see your point about Liverpool supporters....makes no sense. You are criticizing them because they want to win trophies?
The fact that they didnt like a manager who did not bring them the trophies they wanted and should have been competing for renders them glory-hunters?
No, supporting Liverpool renders them gloryhunters.
Even if they live and grew up in Liverpool? Don't see it myself.
We're not not talking about local to Liverpool supporters.
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I would be happy enough with Gerard Houllier and if it involved Kev Mac as part of the coaching set up then all the better.
There isn't much option out there as the timing has been terrible for us.
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I can't say I'm massively excited by the thought of a Houllier-MacDonald partnership. But then again, there are plenty who would have been happy to see MacDonald given the chance, mainly because of his coaching ability, relationship with the players, and in-depth knowledge of the way Villa is run. Whatever shortcomings MacDonald may have - PL experience, worldwide profile, standing in the overall game, contacts, the kind of reputation it can take to attract a certain type of player - can comfortably be complemented by what Houllier would bring to the table.
So... maybe it makes sense.
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
If we have tried for the likes of Moyes/Jol/Hughes and cannot attract them due to them having morals about not leaving their current roles so soon into the new season then so be it. We will just have to put it down to bad timing which is of course why MON probably chose when he did to leave as he knew it would have maximum effect.
How much longer do you think it will be before we hear an announcement on who the new Manager will be if you don;t mind me asking?
It'll be Monday.
Because french for Monday is Lundi, and 3 of those letters can be found in Houllier. Obvious. N'est pas
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe
Well know one really knows who the 5th candidate is, so maybe Mr Mystery will get the job, all this talk of Houllier is somewhat premature is it not.
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe
Well know one really knows who the 5th candidate is, so maybe Mr Mystery will get the job, all this talk of Houllier is somewhat premature is it not?
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe
Well know one really knows who the 5th candidate is, so maybe Mr Mystery will get the job, all this talk of Houllier is somewhat premature is it not.
Southgate?
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BiLIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!!! BILIC! BILIC! BILIC!
BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER!
BiLIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!!! BILIC! BILIC! BILIC!
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe
Well know one really knows who the 5th candidate is, so maybe Mr Mystery will get the job, all this talk of Houllier is somewhat premature is it not.
Southgate?
The Stig. Some say......
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe
Well know one really knows who the 5th candidate is, so maybe Mr Mystery will get the job, all this talk of Houllier is somewhat premature is it not.
Southgate?
The Stig. Some say......
Well he is out of work
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For those who have posted last season that they wanted MON out - who on the rumoured shortlist of possible candidiates do you see as better than him?
Nobody.
Houllier? Sven? Jesus wept.
Quite. But then again, those who wanted O'Neill out didn't choose the shortlist.
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BiLIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!!! BILIC! BILIC! BILIC!
BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER! BADGER!
BiLIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!! BILIC!!! BILIC! BILIC! BILIC!
I don't get the allure of Bilic. I think he's only been manager of Croatia which granted he has done quite well with some very good players, and he's the taste of today. He's young and wear's a stud in his ear so he's kinda cool I suppose so I get that. I'm not sure that makes his qualified for a top manager's job. I could be wrong.
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe
Well know one really knows who the 5th candidate is, so maybe Mr Mystery will get the job, all this talk of Houllier is somewhat premature is it not.
Southgate?
The Stig. Some say......
Well he is out of work
But he'll have had no chance to do any scouting or indeed get his coaching badges, as being close to Jeremy Clarksons ego for that kind of prolonged period, will have burned out his eyes and three quarters of his brain (hence the helmet).
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
You've got wonder what it is that we're selling if it isn't enough to tempt even the likes of Moyes or McLeish.
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'liverpool fan here in peace. you guys should be seriously glad to get GH. Sure he's no mourinho, but he's still top quality; a good solid tactician, just give him some time. ill be glad to see him back ine the prem Thumbs Up'
from a liverpool fan elsewhere
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
You've got wonder what it is that we're selling if it isn't enough to tempt even the likes of Moyes or McLeish.
maybe they are attracted by what we are selling but we're likely not going to pay stupidly to get them plus compensation, and they don't want to put their current clubs in the shit. You have to begrudgingly respect that.
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You've got wonder what it is that we're selling if it isn't enough to tempt even the likes of Moyes or McLeish.
Moyes doesn't want to leave Everton - yet - and who says McLeish was ever an option?
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You've got wonder what it is that we're selling if it isn't enough to tempt even the likes of Moyes or McLeish.
Moyes doesn't want to leave Everton - yet - and who says McLeish was ever an option?
...so Moyes was?
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A month in & we're still waiting for these top class managers that would love to manage a club like Villa to throw their hats in.
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oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.
Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.
I may have forgot or missed it completely -
Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac
Who is the other one?
hmmm...Moyes, maybe. The 5th one is a mystery. It isn't Bradley or Klinsmann by all accounts. I see Donadoni has thrown his hat in the ring.
How cool would that be? I'd love one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to be our manager. Turtle Power!
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So lets do a quick recap...
Southgate - not wanted
Curbishley - defo not wanted
Kev M - only if we have too, and maybe only for this season
Bilic - no prem experience so would appear to be ruled out
Moyes - yes but probably wont come
Sven - initially no, but compared to others yes
Phil Brown - gag
Hoddle - see Phil Brown
Gerrard Hoooolia - would be interesting to see if he can replicate some of the success he had with Liverpool
Klinsman - have doubts
Mcleish - rather not
Bradley - see Bilic and calls our great game... Soccer [and prefers the good old US of A national team
Jol - I'm not sure was never really impressed.
The candidate list doesnt look promising, the only contender who has pretty much universal backing is Moyes, and the evidence would suggest he is staying where he is, so unless we can prise him [or Jol] out of there present club, there is only one word to describe the next season...
Bollocks
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I don't supose we could convince Guus Hidink to combine jobs? I mean how busy can you be as an International coach? He is still with Turkey isn't he? Surely we could convince him to resign even. Maybe he is Number five? No probably not. sigh.
Oh I dunno - the current list is just so: not whelming.
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Pete colley live at villa park on sky saying no decision yet but it's between kmac and houllier- both Sven and curbs have been discounted.
Colley reckons macdonald will be the new manager which fills me with dread.
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Interesting article from a few years ago, after Liverpool had sacked Houlier ( 110m spent, finsihed 9th before he was sacked)
Look at the potential replacements for him.
Plus ca change.......
Liverpool Echo (Liverpool, England)
May 24, 2004
FOOTBALL: THE END OF A REDS ERA - Who is the man to pick up the Anfield reins?;
Byline: DAVID PRENTICE Chief Sports Writer
LIVERPOOL'S Board has already begun its search for Gerard Houllier's successor.
Bookies Ladbrokes make Celtic manager Marton O'Neill the hot favourite,but there is also support for Charlton's young coach Alan Curbishley, Champions League finalist Jose Mourinho and Valencia's talentedboss Rafael Benitez.
Echo Sport analyses the claims of the men in the frame.
MARTIN O'NEILL-Odds 9/4.
LINKED with a switch to Anfield on an almost monthly basis throughout his successful managerial reign at Celtic,O'Neillhas constantly refuted the reports.
His achievement in securing another Scottish League and Cup doubleat the weekend was soured when he was forced to spend the press conference fending off fresh rumours.
Proven at Leicester City in the Premiership and north of the border at Glasgow Celtic, O'Neill's glittering reputation is deserved - but sources inside Anfield suggest the bookies' confidence may be misplaced.
ALAN CURBISHLEY -4/1
ONE of the new breed of vibrant, young coaches who has performed aminor miracle at Charlton.
Curbishley has not only produced an upwardly mobile team which plays attractive football, he has done so on a shoe-stringbudget.
Liverpool,however,may want a manager with greater experience on a European stage.
RAFAEL BENITEZ -5/1
Benitez has achieved spectacular results at unfashionable Valencia- toppling both of Spain's bigs pending giants Real Madrid and Barcelona this season.
In addition to La Liga crown,he has added the UEFA Cup this season.
Some reports claim Benitez's unfamiliarity with the English language may count against him,but his agent claimed yesterday his English is fine - and a lack of fluency hardly hindered Claudio Ranieri from winning plenty of friends at Stamford Bridge.
JOSE MOURINHO -5/1
Seemingly nailed on as Claudio Ranieri's heir-apparent at StamfordBridge - but until an announcement is made he will continue to be linked with other posts.
Leading Porto into the Champions League final tomorrow night, he learned his trade under Bobby Robson at Barcelona.
He also lifted the UEFA Cup last season when Porto overcame Celtic.
GORDON STRACHAN - 6/1
A passionate, never-say-die midfielder with Aberdeen, ManchesterUnited and Leeds,Strachan carried that fire across into his managerial life.
After a solid grounding at Coventry he achieved considerable success at Southampton,before taking a complete break from the game. Now revitalised and ready to return -he is a 6/1 shot.
STEVE McCLAREN - 6/1
HIGHLY regarded both at Middlesbrough and in the England international set-up,McClaren is not.
A thoughtful tactician and a good man-motivator, the Anfield boardis unlikely to share the bookies' optimism at his chances
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who was number 5? or were there ever only 4?
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
The fact that all of the names spoken about so far are currently unemployed speaks volumes. I don't think for a second that every other employed manager out there has suddenly had an outbreak of conscience either. We're one of the biggest clubs in the most popular league in the world. If they're struggling to attract a quality manager then the "no interest" means that the club aren't doing enough to make them interested.
And as for Holloway, given the fact that we've apparently had the likes of Curbishley in, why not? It appears to be about the standard the new austerity measures are pitched at.
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I dont think any of us knows who is on the list, we have heard from a few who would be interested we know that we not poach those in work etc so its still anyones guess.
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edit - wrong thread
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
The fact that all of the names spoken about so far are currently unemployed speaks volumes. I don't think for a second that every other employed manager out there has suddenly had an outbreak of conscience either. We're one of the biggest clubs in the most popular league in the world. If they're struggling to attract a quality manager then the "no interest" means that the club aren't doing enough to make them interested.
the Generals just said they have looked at managers currently employed, so to say they havent is calling his post a fabrication
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we need a guy who has had limited resourced but made a pretty good team play above their natural level
Like Eriksson at Benfica, when he got to the European Cup Final, or Eriksson at Gothenburg, when he won the European Cup? If you're going to say I massivly over-simplified, don't massively over-simplify the past yourself.
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According Pete colley there were 4 , and now there's 2 and curbs and Sven not being considered now, he reckons it will be kmac but says the board were impressed by houllier.
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Well I have been searching for a possible 'BIG NAME' to replace Billy Wiz out the door, and have found three possible big names to replace him...
1. Roberto Di Matteo - WBA manager and 15 letters in his name!
2. Andy Hessenthaler - Gillingham manager and 16 letters in his name!
3. Paul Peschisolido - Burton Albion manager and 16 letters in his name!
A poor fourth is our Kev, with only 14 letters, compared to the other three not a very big name!
These are the biggest names in English football at present and I think need careful consideration!
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think we might have got away lightly with the Generals latest post,
he's gone ape shit at that lot over on VT
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I don't supose we could convince Guus Hidink to combine jobs? I mean how busy can you be as an International coach? He is still with Turkey isn't he? Surely we could convince him to resign even. Maybe he is Number five? No probably not. sigh.
Oh I dunno - the current list is just so: not whelming.
I thought the same thing, particularly in an international year when there is no WC or Euros. Hiddink could come in for 12-months and sort us out from a playing perspective. He and K-Mac (or Southgate) could easily handle the role.
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Not a member of vt john e ,what was the general saying?
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According Pete colley there were 4 , and now there's 2 and curbs and Sven not being considered now, he reckons it will be kmac but says the board were impressed by houllier.
East, I thought you were very confident it would be Houllier this am? Were you just going off press reports?
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Not a member of vt john e ,what was the general saying?
no nor me, but you can just dip in.
its a no holds bared bollocking and no mistake
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Not a member of vt john e ,what was the general saying?
He said
General Krulak Here:
1. Back from my trip only to discover that Randy is a bum and lacks ambition, I am a liar and a shill, we've really spent no money on the Club, every possible Manager we have looked at is not wanted at the Club or is a lousy Manager or is an indication of no desire to move forward, that we passed on getting a Manager in order not to spend money during the transfer window, etc. etc. etc. And I am supposed to answer comments/questions that surround those issues??? There is no way I can do it...NOT because I don't have the answers but because no one would believe me...which makes coming on this site pretty much a waste of my time and yours.
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Just read the full post over their and yes a severe dressing down!
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I think he got wound up by a post from somebody called 'Tornado'
His post was along the lines of 'yanks go home.'
He's a Bluenose.
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I was going by breaking reports and dave woodhall saying houllier was what he was hearing too- may still be but it's not as clear as it looked.
The whole thing is quite amateurish really and I can't remember any job being as drawn out as this at any other club- I just hope we get a decision soon as it's almost a month now- and if it is kmac I will be hugely disappointed
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Fair enough.
I desperately want Houllier but I haave a horrible feeling it will be Kmac
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Fair enough.
I desperately want Houllier but I haave a horrible feeling it will be Kmac
If they wanted Kev there wouldn't be any reason not to announce it this afternoon, but that's obviously not going to happen now.
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The General's comment that the potential manager would do due diligence and check fans sites is interesting.
Reading between the lines it would suggest that we have discussed one of the potential targets on here. Not surprising really as we have discussed everyone here from Hiddink to Holloway, however it is interesting that it would cause comment from the General.
Lets face it all of the managers would have been unpopular at some point in their jobs so would be used to it. The one exception being K-Mac... Therefore my conspiracy theory is that the Board wanted K-Mac but he has been put off by the vitriol he has read here and elsewhere. ...and if that's the case then he definitely is the wrong man.
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Fair enough.
I desperately want Houllier but I haave a horrible feeling it will be Kmac
If they wanted Kev there wouldn't be any reason not to announce it this afternoon, but that's obviously not going to happen now.
Do your "sources" say something is imminent then Dave ??
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If as now reported it's between those 2 then surely it has to be houllier!If kmac gets the job I really fear how far we could slip back , surely the last 4 games have exposed his limitations at this level.
If you are Reading this keV please stick to coaching and let randy get an experienced manager!
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Fair enough.
I desperately want Houllier but I haave a horrible feeling it will be Kmac
If they wanted Kev there wouldn't be any reason not to announce it this afternoon, but that's obviously not going to happen now.
Do your "sources" say something is imminent then Dave ??
It stands to reason - the interviewing's been done, there seems to be only two names in the frame. There can't be that much left to discuss.
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The whole thing is quite amateurish really and I can't remember any job being as drawn out as this at any other club- I just hope we get a decision soon as it's almost a month now- and if it is kmac I will be hugely disappointed
Could it be that you haven't been that interested in how other clubs have gone about appointing a new in such detail. When you wait for something to happen it invariably seems to take longer. The Club have conducted this in a completely professional manner, by not rushing into a bad decision and being discreet in the way the recruitment process has been undertaken.
Try to remember the last time a manager left a club in the same way as MON quit. Most managers are sacked and a replacement has already been lined up. Managers who leave for another job normally are known within the business to be looking and therefore the club will have started looking for a replacement. MON did a runner on a Monday having given no indication to RAL on Saturday so we can hardly blame the Club for not having a list of potential replacements if we didn't think he was going.
So when you say 'I can't remember any job being as drawn out as this at any other club', it may that you can't remember a situation like this at a top club. If you can remember then let me know because I can't - also let me know if the swiftly appointed manager was the right man or not.
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I think houllier should have the freedom to choose his own coaching staff I'd offered the job- it never really works when a manager has his coach imposed on him and I hope that would not be the case in this instance .
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I do agree with you jembob, but if you let your manager be non-commital, i.e. on a year's rolling contract, then you should be ready at any moment for him to walk out.
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Remember the farcical situation at Liverpool when Houllier joined and Roy Evans was kept on as joint manager. Nobody knew who was in charge until Roy left "by mutual consent".
One manager please, in complete charge
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I see Cyril Smith has died today RIP. At least that is one less off the list to succeed MO'N.
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The whole thing is quite amateurish really and I can't remember any job being as drawn out as this at any other club- I just hope we get a decision soon as it's almost a month now- and if it is kmac I will be hugely disappointed
Could it be that you haven't been that interested in how other clubs have gone about appointing a new in such detail. When you wait for something to happen it invariably seems to take longer. The Club have conducted this in a completely professional manner, by not rushing into a bad decision and being discreet in the way the recruitment process has been undertaken.
Try to remember the last time a manager left a club in the same way as MON quit. Most managers are sacked and a replacement has already been lined up. Managers who leave for another job normally are known within the business to be looking and therefore the club will have started looking for a replacement. MON did a runner on a Monday having given no indication to RAL on Saturday so we can hardly blame the Club for not having a list of potential replacements if we didn't think he was going.
So when you say 'I can't remember any job being as drawn out as this at any other club', it may that you can't remember a situation like this at a top club. If you can remember then let me know because I can't - also let me know if the swiftly appointed manager was the right man or not.
Saunders - Barton, worked out reasonably well initially ;-)
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In all fairness jim there have been rumours about mon going for
months so I imagine the board must have had an idea in their minds what they would do if it happened- I take your point though and would hazard a guess that Hughes would have been long appointed if mon had gone when he was still available.
It's not so much mon going as the fact that 5 leading members of the staff all went together.
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I do wish the media would stop saying Macdonald is the favourite... the favourite for what? In Randy's statement it said he wanted a manager with experience, why has the majority of people in sports journalism and sports media not bothered to have read the statement which has pretty much effectively ruled out Macdonald.
I still can't believe Curbishley was 1 of 4 to get interviewed, the lack of ambition to get someone like Moyes, Jol, Hiddink, Hitzfeld etc... is a bit annoying, but either Houllier or Sven would be decent appointments - not great, not bad but it's important we give whoever our new manager is time and be patient.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
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Remember the farcical situation at Liverpool when Houllier joined and Roy Evans was kept on as joint manager. Nobody knew who was in charge until Roy left "by mutual consent".
One manager please, in complete charge
I can see your logic Chico but somehow we need to get the whole club pulling in the same direction. I fear that if there is a Houllier and X, Y, Z coaching team dealing with the first team and a K-Mac / Cowans team dealing with reserves and youth then there is a clear split (a bit like with MON).
I'd like to hope that one of the benefits of this process and the need for the interviews is to get the whole club sorted from the bottom up, so that the - hopeful - growth is sustainable with the reserves and youth feeding the first team.
I think the K-Mac could be a vital man in insuring that happens.
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Remember the farcical situation at Liverpool when Houllier joined and Roy Evans was kept on as joint manager. Nobody knew who was in charge until Roy left "by mutual consent".
One manager please, in complete charge
Quite, as long as it's not Houllier or particularly MacDonald.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
You've been watching too much Sky Sports news.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
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I can see your logic Chico but somehow we need to get the whole club pulling in the same direction. I fear that if there is a Houllier and X, Y, Z coaching team dealing with the first team and a K-Mac / Cowans team dealing with reserves and youth then there is a clear split (a bit like with MON).
Kev's worked with every manager for the past 15 years so I would hope he could work with Gezza.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
Even if he did understand, you would understand if he didn't say.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
Even if he did understand, you would understand if he didn't say.
It would be understandable
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Remember the farcical situation at Liverpool when Houllier joined and Roy Evans was kept on as joint manager. Nobody knew who was in charge until Roy left "by mutual consent".
One manager please, in complete charge
Quite, as long as it's not Houllier or particularly MacDonald.
Why's that? From our shortlist; ruling out Curbishley and Macdonald with 99% certainty, we haven't exactly got many options left with Eriksson and Houllier.
I know the General and board have told us to be patient telling us they want to get ''the right man'' instead of rushing into any hasty decisions, but after 3 weeks of deliberations of deciding who should be our next manager I would of expected a better shortlist.
I think there is only winner out of the 4 managers on the shortlist, and that is Houllier and to be fair, out of those 4 managers, Houllier would be the best pick in my opinion so we can't exactly complain the board have got the new appointment really wrong i.e. appointing someone like Bradley or Curbishley.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
Even if he did understand, you would understand if he didn't say.
It would be understandable
Also, if it was GH. It would be hard to announce tomorrow if he is at Anfield for Carragher's testimonial.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
Even if he did understand, you would understand if he didn't say.
It would be understandable
I understand that it is understandable for the need to be cautious and therefore making the understandable decision to not say a name. Perfectly understandable in my view.
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I can see your logic Chico but somehow we need to get the whole club pulling in the same direction. I fear that if there is a Houllier and X, Y, Z coaching team dealing with the first team and a K-Mac / Cowans team dealing with reserves and youth then there is a clear split (a bit like with MON).
Kev's worked with every manager for the past 15 years so I would hope he could work with Gezza.
Good point. I suppose I was just hoping for a bit more than that. Something like what Klinsmann introduced to Germany pre-2006 or an "Ajax way" where all the teams from the babies upwards are trained to play a certain formation.
I fear the first thing Houllier will do is buy a whole bunch of foreign players to ensure immediate results and the reserves and youth team will as a result be under-used.
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Remember the farcical situation at Liverpool when Houllier joined and Roy Evans was kept on as joint manager. Nobody knew who was in charge until Roy left "by mutual consent".
One manager please, in complete charge
Quite, as long as it's not Houllier or particularly MacDonald.
Why's that? From our shortlist; ruling out Curbishley and Macdonald with 99% certainty, we haven't exactly got many options left with Eriksson and Houllier.
I know the General and board have told us to be patient telling us they want to get ''the right man'' instead of rushing into any hasty decisions, but after 3 weeks of deliberations of deciding who should be our next manager I would of expected a better shortlist.
I think there is only winner out of the 4 managers on the shortlist, and that is Houllier and to be fair, out of those 4 managers, Houllier would be the best pick in my opinion so we can't exactly complain the board have got the new appointment really wrong i.e. appointing someone like Bradley or Curbishley.
Sorry old shoe, but i don't share your appraisal of Houllier, and don't fancy him as our new manager. Sure, there are worse, but i would be underwhelmed. Can't really say any more than that, perhaps it's a personal gut reaction.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
Even if he did understand, you would understand if he didn't say.
It would be understandable
I understand that it is understandable for the need to be cautious and therefore making the understandable decision to not say a name. Perfectly understandable in my view.
Quite right. From what i understand, these ITK's usually understand a hell of a lot less than they would have us understand that they understand.
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Dante if you are right that houllier would buy a whole load of foreign players then rejoice , he truly is the saviour!
A man who buys foreign players - have I not missed that ,bring it on.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
Even if he did understand, you would understand if he didn't say.
It would be understandable
Also, if it was GH. It would be hard to announce tomorrow if he is at Anfield for Carragher's testimonial.
Least he is in the country........Press conference @ 11.00 all done by 12.30, helicopter/plane to Liverpool will be there by 2.00 sorted.......
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Remember the farcical situation at Liverpool when Houllier joined and Roy Evans was kept on as joint manager. Nobody knew who was in charge until Roy left "by mutual consent".
One manager please, in complete charge
Quite, as long as it's not Houllier or particularly MacDonald.
Why's that? From our shortlist; ruling out Curbishley and Macdonald with 99% certainty, we haven't exactly got many options left with Eriksson and Houllier.
I know the General and board have told us to be patient telling us they want to get ''the right man'' instead of rushing into any hasty decisions, but after 3 weeks of deliberations of deciding who should be our next manager I would of expected a better shortlist.
I think there is only winner out of the 4 managers on the shortlist, and that is Houllier and to be fair, out of those 4 managers, Houllier would be the best pick in my opinion so we can't exactly complain the board have got the new appointment really wrong i.e. appointing someone like Bradley or Curbishley.
Sorry old shoe, but i don't share your appraisal of Houllier, and don't fancy him as our new manager. Sure, there are worse, but i would be underwhelmed. Can't really say any more than that, perhaps it's a personal gut reaction.
I know, I don't have a 100% confidence in Houllier being our next manager either, but from our shortlist, we haven't really got too much of a choice, eh? If the board were more ambitious I don't think so many fans would complain but like I said, from the shortlist Houllier is probably our best pick.
Who would you of liked as our new manager and would you prefer Sven to Houllier?
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Dante if you are right that houllier would buy a whole load of foreign players then rejoice , he truly is the saviour!
A man who buys foreign players - have I not missed that ,bring it on.
Great. Glad thats all sorted then.
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I would certainly have preferred Sven but according to virtually every source Sven and curbs are not now in the equation- it's houllier or kmac, and in that case I pray it's houllier.
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Remember the farcical situation at Liverpool when Houllier joined and Roy Evans was kept on as joint manager. Nobody knew who was in charge until Roy left "by mutual consent".
One manager please, in complete charge
Quite, as long as it's not Houllier or particularly MacDonald.
Why's that? From our shortlist; ruling out Curbishley and Macdonald with 99% certainty, we haven't exactly got many options left with Eriksson and Houllier.
I know the General and board have told us to be patient telling us they want to get ''the right man'' instead of rushing into any hasty decisions, but after 3 weeks of deliberations of deciding who should be our next manager I would of expected a better shortlist.
I think there is only winner out of the 4 managers on the shortlist, and that is Houllier and to be fair, out of those 4 managers, Houllier would be the best pick in my opinion so we can't exactly complain the board have got the new appointment really wrong i.e. appointing someone like Bradley or Curbishley.
Sorry old shoe, but i don't share your appraisal of Houllier, and don't fancy him as our new manager. Sure, there are worse, but i would be underwhelmed. Can't really say any more than that, perhaps it's a personal gut reaction.
I know, I don't have a 100% confidence in Houllier being our next manager either, but from our shortlist, we haven't really got too much of a choice, eh? If the board were more ambitious I don't think so many fans would complain but like I said, from the shortlist Houllier is probably our best pick.
Who would you of liked as our new manager and would you prefer Sven to Houllier?
Moyes, Hiddink, Sven, Jol, Koeman in that order (for starters).
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Houllier maybe as Director Of Football..
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Houllier maybe as Director Of Football..
They don't work.
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They do in some cases, and can work. The problem with Houllier is that he doesn't have a record at all of signing good players. Look at his record with Liverpool. He signed some absolute dirt.
But what are our options? Unless Lerner is hoodwinking us, and then bringing in a top manager, but I doubt that very much.
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Dante if you are right that houllier would buy a whole load of foreign players then rejoice , he truly is the saviour!
A man who buys foreign players - have I not missed that ,bring it on.
If you look at the players he signed at liverpool then I would not be too over the moon. However he has been instrumental within the French academy system - one which has worked for a number of years.
Basically I hope he is being appointed more for his ability to build villa a decent, well even better academy and sort the scouting rather than his actual transfer purchases.
It will take longer but, in my opinion, having a world class youth/scouting set-up is a much more viable way to get to the top than simply buy our way there as we simply don't have the funds of city/chelsea/man u etc.
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Emile heskey apparently scored 23 goals in a season under houllier - that makes him a miracle worker in many ways- houllier paid £11m for heskey , that makes him a fool in many ways!
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Emile heskey apparently scored 23 goals in a season under houllier - that makes him a miracle worker in many ways- houllier paid £11m for heskey , that makes him a fool in many ways!
Not really as Heskey scored 23 goals in one season for him ;-)
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Which was when Heskey was actually decent at playing the striker role. He won't score under Mourinho if he came in.
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I understand a decision has been made and will be announced tomorrow
Do you understand who it will be?
Even if he did understand, you would understand if he didn't say.
It would be understandable
I understand that it is understandable for the need to be cautious and therefore making the understandable decision to not say a name. Perfectly understandable in my view.
I don't understand that. Run it by me again please...
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I imagine heskeys looking forward to houllier having been bought by him whereas Carew having been sold by him won't be quite so chirpy.
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If its Gerrard Houllier, happy birthday for today Sir.
If its someone else hurry up and start work at VP !
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The General's comment that the potential manager would do due diligence and check fans sites is interesting.
Reading between the lines it would suggest that we have discussed one of the potential targets on here. Not surprising really as we have discussed everyone here from Hiddink to Holloway, however it is interesting that it would cause comment from the General.
Lets face it all of the managers would have been unpopular at some point in their jobs so would be used to it. The one exception being K-Mac... Therefore my conspiracy theory is that the Board wanted K-Mac but he has been put off by the vitriol he has read here and elsewhere. ...and if that's the case then he definitely is the wrong man.
I don't think there has been much vitriol for KMac. In my case I don't want him to be the manager, but I have a lot of respect for him and want him to remain in a coaching capacity.
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I am "Houllier neutral". The only two serious contenders are Sven and Houllier when availability, experience and track record are taken into consideration.
Is Houllier the fans choice? No. Is there someone obviously better? No.
With the window closed the first thing that houllier would have to do is coach, which is no bad thing.I see no reason why the English policy at the club will not be continued with selected foreign recruits added to the mix.
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Exactly the point.
Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.
I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor. I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far. I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left. All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.
Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...
I think we're definitely missing a trick if we're limiting the scope to those with Prem experience.
How much Prem experience did Wenger have before rocking up at Arsenal? How much Prem experience did Fergie have in English top flight football pre 1986? You could also point to extreme examples like Mourinho and Ancelotti, but in fairness they were elite managers at the time Chelsea appointed them (the money on offer probably helped). Wenger and Fergie weren't.
There are the obvious names circulating like Klinsmann, Hitzfeld and co. Donadoni has also put his name forward if reports are to be believed.
Slightly out of leftfield but I'd also look at the likes of Michael Laudrup and Huub Stevens. Both have a track record of achieving more with less. Laudrup by getting Brondby to the CL and Getafe to a Spanish cup final+ latter stages of the UEFA. Stevens has managed to a decent standard in Holland and Germany with the likes of PSV, Hamburg, Cologne and Schalke, winning two cup finals and the UEFA Cup at the latter.
Either way, it's hard to shake the notion that names like Curbishley and Houllier are damaged goods/ yesterdays men and for that reason are seriously underwhelming choices.
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My first thought on Houiller (if is is going to be him) i'm not sure about it to be honest. The Statement mentioned that the club wanted someone who knows the Premiership. Houiller does, well he did, he's not managed in it for a long time. His signing's at Liverpool were not great. Yes he won trophies, but it was 9 years ago.
Personally i think we can do better.
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with selected foreign recruits added to the mix.
Flamini... ;D
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If it turns out to be Houllier I'm not going to be over the moon but I'm not upset.
What would be nice though is if as part of his role he gets an assistant with the intention of them taking the reins later on. That'd mean next time we'd have all the benefits of a kmac appointment (known and liked by the players, etc) but with that bit of steel to make it at the top end of management.
We really should be looking at building the club on a conveyer belt of quality from the youth and reserves where our setup seems to be as good as anyone in the country, the belief being we're never going to buy a xavi, so lets make our own instead, continuity throughout the club is the key to doing that, and to be fair to him it's the thing that Houllier really has in his favour. The only side he's been at where kids haven't been a regular part of things was at Liverpool where the entire structure was demanding now at all costs.
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My first thought on Houiller (if is is going to be him) i'm not sure about it to be honest. The Statement mentioned that the club wanted someone who knows the Premiership. Houiller does, well he did, he's not managed in it for a long time. His signing's at Liverpool were not great. Yes he won trophies, but it was 9 years ago.
Personally i think we can do better.
If people are only going to base their opinion on what they "recall" of Houllier's time in England then that opinion is going to be skewed. How many people truly know what he is like now? What did his time at Liverpool teach him? How did he implement that during his time with Lyon? Did what he learn at Liverpool help him see things differently in hindsight? he's already gone on record as saying he made errors, especially during his illness. How has his time as the technical Director of French FA helped him better understand the game. Nobody on here really knows the answer to any of those questions. For all we know he may have changed his entire philosophy on football, yet people are going to dig up what he did 6 or 7 years ago as if that is his entire body of work. It isn't.
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But seeing as the Prem experience factor is a huge pull for the board his stint at Liverpool is key.
For someone who came to Liverpool to be their very own Wenger, someone who knew the French academy inside out, he spent huge money on some horrible, horrible players.
Key question you have to ask: did he underperform there?
For the level of backing and time he had in the role, you'd have to say yes.
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For someone who came to Liverpool to be their very own Wenger, someone who knew the French academy inside out, he spent huge money on some horrible, horrible players.
El Hadj Diouf for £10m being one of them.
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all these names been banderd about, moyes, sven, hitzfield, koeman and we are looking like ending up with FUCKING GERALD HAS BEEN HOULIER !!!!
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At least he's not Curbishley. Or Phil Brown. Or Sven.
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But seeing as the Prem experience factor is a huge pull for the board his stint at Liverpool is key.
For someone who came to Liverpool to be their very own Wenger, someone who knew the French academy inside out, he spent huge money on some horrible, horrible players.
Key question you have to ask: did he underperform there?
For the level of backing and time he had in the role, you'd have to say yes.
Yes, off course his time at Liverpool is relevant. But I think it is one of many criteria that is important in this appointment. I assume, what is appealing about Houllier is everything else he now brings to the table. He, like Benitez spent a lot of money and you could argue both underperformed given the backing. But I bet he'd do certain things differently now given time to reflect.
As an aside I think Wenger is out on his own in terms on ROI, but given that he's not won anything for a good while, I bet there are a lot more doubters amongst Arsenal fans than there was 5 years ago.
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it cant be Houllier he's not on our voting poll list
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For someone who came to Liverpool to be their very own Wenger, someone who knew the French academy inside out, he spent huge money on some horrible, horrible players.
El Hadj Diouf for £10m being one of them.
Someone printed a list and it would make you wince.
I picked Hyypia and Dudek out as definite successes.
After that, it was a rollcall from hell.
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I think Houiller's time has come and gone. The fact that he's taken a back seat during the last 3 years suggests he might be winding down his career. I can't get excited about it to be honest.
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For someone who came to Liverpool to be their very own Wenger, someone who knew the French academy inside out, he spent huge money on some horrible, horrible players.
El Hadj Diouf for £10m being one of them.
Diouf was a very popular and exciting signing when he made it. Just because he turned out not to be as advertised only makes him a bad signing in hindsight.
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As said, I'd hope that his time at liverpool would have no bearing on his time here, mainly because at the time the liverpool fans still thought they were the best side in the league and the problem was that evans had messed up, that meant every signing he made had to achieve big things as soon as they arrived and if they didn't were labelled a failure immediately. I'd hope the fans here would be a little more circumspect and give things a little more time to see if Delph, Fonz, Albrighton, etc can be the players we want and let houllier add to them, rather than replace them, which he was pretty much forced to do at liverpool (one of the players who he had to ignore for this very reason being our own Left Back)
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But seeing as the Prem experience factor is a huge pull for the board his stint at Liverpool is key.
For someone who came to Liverpool to be their very own Wenger, someone who knew the French academy inside out, he spent huge money on some horrible, horrible players.
Key question you have to ask: did he underperform there?
For the level of backing and time he had in the role, you'd have to say yes.
Four trophies in five seasons. Sign me up for that kind of underperformance.
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but looking at it from another angle
randy is the best, he has turned us from a falling club under ellis and o'dreary to a fighting for champions league 3 years on the trot. he has backed the manager, built a superb training ground and brought stability to us. granted we have a few "odd" names been bandered about for manager but its only paper talk. it has taken a long time because randy has put thought and spent money on getting advisers in to make sure he makes the best decision. i would of rather he takes his time than rush into something. YES i am worried that we might be getting houllier but he must show something to randy and his advisors and if he can recreate what he did for liverpool we are laughing.
i say give him the benefit of the doubt and we MAY be in for a nice surprise. REMEMBER ALL THIS CURBISHLY BOLLOX IS PAPER TALK !!
i dont think randy is that stupid to give curbishly the job. he needs to go one better than oniell
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My first choice was Martin Jol. I wonder how hard the club have tried to get him away from Ajax. He was happy to leave to go to Fulham until his board stopped him. I wonder if they tested their resolve a second time round?
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My brother was very happy with the idea of having Houllier in charge, until the ensuing discussion lead to his realisation that Houllier wasn't Benitez. Funny how his reaction changed after that.
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My brother was very happy with the idea of having Houllier in charge, until the ensuing discussion lead to his realisation that Houllier wasn't Benitez. Funny how his reaction changed after that.
fuck me id have houlliers gardner managing our club over benitez
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My first choice was Martin Jol. I wonder how hard the club have tried to get him away from Ajax. He was happy to leave to go to Fulham until his board stopped him. I wonder if they tested their resolve a second time round?
I suspect that what limited chance there was of nabbing Jol disappered after Ajax qualified for the CL group stages and then landed a group including Real Madrid and AC Milan. Can't see him wanting to sacrifice that challenge.
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I think given jols desire to get back in the premiership he would have jumped at the chance had we bought out his contract- fulham mist tempted him, villa I'm sure would have done !
Randy doesn't seem the kind of ruthless chairman who would move heaven and earth to get his man - randy is a nice guy and plays it by the book.
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I think given jols desire to get back in the premiership he would have jumped at the chance had we bought out his contract- fulham mist tempted him, villa I'm sure would have done !
Randy doesn't seem the kind of ruthless chairman who would move heaven and earth to get his man - randy is a nice guy and plays it by the book.
his clubs in the Champions league, weve never been in it,
jumped at the chance, you having a laugh, i bet he was contacted, and said no, wrong time,
you cant do any more than that
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My first choice was Martin Jol. I wonder how hard the club have tried to get him away from Ajax. He was happy to leave to go to Fulham until his board stopped him. I wonder if they tested their resolve a second time
Ajax hadn't qualified for the Champions League group stages at the time. Can't see him passing up that opportunity now.
Before i press post I think this quote may not have worked properly.
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I can't help but think that Houllier would be a short-term fix to steady the ship, similar to GT Mk2 (only with better results hopefully). The bloke has had health issues and is in his sixties, so maybe he'll run things until the right man becomes available in a year or so, then he'll stay at the club in an advisory role. There's no way he can be looking at it as a long-term role.
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Not my first option but Houllier is fine by me. I might even look forward to a transfer window for the first time in ages. The unknown feeling of seeing a link to a player whose name (and Country) I am not fimilar with, and thinking we might actually sign him will be liberating! I want him a Manager, none of the DOF stuff. If we do get one of them then I think it would not be someone with the profile of Houllier.
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I think given jols desire to get back in the premiership he would have jumped at the chance had we bought out his contract- fulham mist tempted him, villa I'm sure would have done !
Randy doesn't seem the kind of ruthless chairman who would move heaven and earth to get his man - randy is a nice guy and plays it by the book.
his clubs in the Champions league, weve never been in it,
jumped at the chance, you having a laugh, i bet he was contacted, and said no, wrong time,
you cant do any more than that
I saw Jol beng interviewed around the time the Fulham thing was going on, and he said he fancied a return to London but his board had blocked it.
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I think given jols desire to get back in the premiership he would have jumped at the chance had we bought out his contract- fulham mist tempted him, villa I'm sure would have done !
Randy doesn't seem the kind of ruthless chairman who would move heaven and earth to get his man - randy is a nice guy and plays it by the book.
his clubs in the Champions league, weve never been in it,
jumped at the chance, you having a laugh, i bet he was contacted, and said no, wrong time,
you cant do any more than that
I saw Jol beng interviewed around the time the Fulham thing was going on, and he said he fancied a return to London but his board had blocked it.
so there you go then, they blocked it before they qualified for CL, so they wernt going to let him go after,
i'm sure Randy +co tried,
but they were blocked the same
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None of the candidates inspire me, but Houllier is a particularly ridiculous suggestion, he's at the end of his career and he's got a dodgy ticker whereas we need someone who could potentially be with us for ten years or so.
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The guys on the Irish Villains website seem to think that there's going to be an announcement shortly. Hmm.
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None of the candidates inspire me, but Houllier is a particularly ridiculous suggestion, he's at the end of his career and he's got a dodgy ticker whereas we need someone who could potentially be with us for ten years or so.
I agree. It is ridiculous to bring in a manager who is a winner. It is ridiculous to bring in a man who will revolutionize our poor scouting network.
His heart was something to do with the aorta i believe. Not really related to a continuous dodgy ticker.
Houllier is a great manager. He IS the best man for the job.
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within the next week yes ;)
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None of the candidates inspire me, but Houllier is a particularly ridiculous suggestion, he's at the end of his career and he's got a dodgy ticker whereas we need someone who could potentially be with us for ten years or so.
I agree. It is ridiculous to bring in a manager who is a winner. It is ridiculous to bring in a man who will revolutionize our poor scouting network.
His heart was something to do with the aorta i believe. Not really related to a continuous dodgy ticker.
Houllier is a great manager. He IS the best man for the job.
I hope you're right because it's now being reported that he's got the job. However I still think he's too old at 63 to be able to give us more than a couple of years considering his health issues.
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Being reported where that he's got the job?
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Being reported where that he's got the job?
Daily Mail website. Sorry can't link it.
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They said he'd got it last night on there- but now they reckon Monday or Tuesday. Seems pretty clear cut but 24 hrs on it hasn't been confirmed.
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How Gerard Houllier the Eurocrat won over Aston Villa while Sven Goran Eriksson failed to impress
By Neil Moxley Last updated at 7:19 PM on 3rd September 2010
Aston Villa will announce their new management team early next week with Gerard Houllier expected to link up with current caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald.
The Birmingham club are expected to introduce the duo formally either on Monday or Tuesday after bringing their search for Martin O'Neill's successor to a close.
Houllier, 63, is understood to favour becoming boss in his own right - although Villa want a directorial figure who can help plug the gap left by the walkout by O'Neill and his staff.
Villa owner Randy Lerner compiled a four-man shortlist, aimed at making a quick decision before Villa's next league outing at Stoke on September 13.
Sven Goran Eriksson failed to impress and Houllier's greater experience and pan-European contact base were favoured over Alan Curbishley.
No-gos: Alan Curbishley (left) and Sven Goran Eriksson were approached by Villa
Lerner was keen to hand MacDonald a job in the set-up, but it was the failure to progress in the Europa League - and not the 6-0 hammering by Newcastle - that cost him the chance to manage in his own right.
It appears the ex-Liverpool midfielder, 49, will be given first-team coaching duties with the Frenchman directing from above.
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adrenachrome, your faster than me!
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Virtually same story as last night when they ran with houllier lands villa job- and we are still waiting 24 hrs later on it. Check 11.10pm last night on this thread, we were discussing it then.
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I am sure Houllier blooded a young energetic midfielder called Gerrard. Could he repeat the feat with Delph?
Exciting stuff
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Can we have a new pole? Assuming the 4 candidates were: Sven, Houllier, Curbs and Kmac. Who would you give the job to, given that it had to be one of them?
In general, Houllier has been very successful in his managerial career. He is held in high esteem by the French who credit him with being one of the major contributors to their world cup win due to his work at Clairefontaine and when he was the technical director. Don't underestimate the job he did at Liverpool as he took over the boot room and a bunch of players who loved pissing around with uncle Roy.
Three things worry me if we appointed Houllier.
He hasn't managed for over 3 years.
His big signings for Liverpool were failures for the most part.
Despite his links with Clairefontaine and the massive investment made to the Liverpool academy, it failed to produce.
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Can we have a new pole?
North or South?
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Out of Sven, Houllier, Curbs and Kmac for first team manager I would have gone for:
1. Houllier
2. Sven
3. Curbs
4. Kmac
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Out of Sven, Houllier, Curbs and Kmac for first team manager I would have gone for:
1. Houllier
2. Sven
3. Curbs
4. Kmac
Houllier
Sven
Kmac
Curbs
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I'd be happy if it is Houllier. I'm sure the style of football if our players can adapt to will be a crowd pleaser. If this rumour is true we could be in for a good season.
We have a very good team. A bit of tweaking, organising and direction fromHoullier and McDonald could be good.
Interesting.......
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I think houllier should have the freedom to choose his own coaching staff I'd offered the job- it never really works when a manager has his coach imposed on him and I hope that would not be the case in this instance .
Except he worked happily with Phil Thompson.
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Can we have a new pole?
North or South?
He's already working on the construction site down the road from me.
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None of the candidates inspire me, but Houllier is a particularly ridiculous suggestion, he's at the end of his career and he's got a dodgy ticker whereas we need someone who could potentially be with us for ten years or so.
Remind me how old Alex Ferguson is? Wenger is 60 now and doesnt look like slowing down anytime too soon......
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Not sure what I think about houllier. He did buy a lot of dross and was lucky that carragher, gerrard and Owen came through. I also seem to recall his teams being quite boring. Would be very dubious about a director of football post as I can't think of an example of it working well. km would still be doing the matchday stuff so not sure I see the advantages. What were the benefits to Liverpool of a supposedly improved scouting network?
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None as far as I can see.
Benitez was quite clear that it needed a major overhaul after less than a year in the job as so few players had broken through since the time of Owen, Carragher Gerrard and co.
Houllier has to take part of the blame for that surely.
His best results were in the earlier stages of his Liverpool career when the backbone of Carragher, Gerrard, Owen and Fowler pulled them through. When he started spending money they went backwards, from a results, entertainment and youth development perspective.
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Reading a few comments on RAWK (the Liverpool fansite) suggests that whilst Houllier is held in regard, he does get the blame for destroying the Liverpool youth system.
Have they produced a half decent player since Gerrard and Warnock?
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Benitez was quite clear that it needed a major overhaul after less than a year in the job as so few players had broken through since the time of Owen, Carragher Gerrard and co.
Houllier has to take part of the blame for that surely.
I think it has been an issue that the Liverpool manager hasn't had much power regarding the youth setup. I remember reading something about a former Barcelona youth coach appointed by Benitez who was shocked at the state of affairs.
Another point: one of the reasons Benitez shifted a lot of Houllier's players is that they are two manager with very specific (but quite different) ideas on how their team should play and what players they need. Thus, the clearout by Benitez wasn't only due to the quality of the players but what kind of players they were, as well.
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Whilst there may be a degree of truth to that, players of the quality of Owen, Gerrard and co could have fitted into any managers ethos and style of play.
Liverpool would have a pull and attraction to young players nationwide and indeed across Europe. It's a natural advantage they possess above many other sides. To have produced so few capable of making an impact in the first team since the time of the above smacks of neglect.
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Steve Heighway was heavily involved at the Liverpool Academy but left somewhat hastily - Can`t remember who was responsible for removing him from the post - Benitez?
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"His heart was something to do with the aorta i believe. Not really related to a continuous dodgy ticker".
Indeed that is true - A friend of mine assisted with the operation to save Houlliers life - his heart virtually exploded. Apparantly he now has a plumbing system within his heart that any plumber would be proud of.
(Said friend is back up Doctor for Citeh)
I am told GH is a pretty decent fella and an anglophile to boot.
Was not on my list of preferred candidates ( personally I would have a punt on Martinez from Wigan), however if he comes I will not be overly disappointed. Not so sure about separate manager and coach thing though.
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None of the candidates inspire me, but Houllier is a particularly ridiculous suggestion, he's at the end of his career and he's got a dodgy ticker whereas we need someone who could potentially be with us for ten years or so.
Remind me how old Alex Ferguson is? Wenger is 60 now and doesnt look like slowing down anytime too soon......
Both were in their 40's when they took up their current positions, and are now reeping the rewards of the efforts made when they were younger men.
Houllier is way too old to create any comparable legacy at Villa. Sadly he is yesterday's man in my opinion, but of course I hope I'm proved wrong.
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I reckon Randy is trying to introduce something similar to his NFL team Cleveland Browns
Mike Holmgren (President and overall boss of team (Former Head Coach))
Eric Mangini (Head Coach)
Tom Heckert (General manager responsible for recruitment of players and scouting)
to Villa
with possibly Gerald as DOF and MacDonald as Head Coach.
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Houllier on short term, 1-2 years might be worth a go. To be honest, it's the only half decent option out there. He's got a good record, has won a lot of trophies. He'll also have us passing the ball properly. Granted he was never the most exciting manager, but he was very much emphasised on technique. Should see the best of Ireland, Petrov, Young, Downing and our other more gifted ball players.
If he doesn't do the biz, maybe there'll be someone better, and available next summer. As long as we're not silly and sign him long term.
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Not sure what I think about houllier. He did buy a lot of dross and was lucky that carragher, gerrard and Owen came through. I also seem to recall his teams being quite boring. Would be very dubious about a director of football post as I can't think of an example of it working well. km would still be doing the matchday stuff so not sure I see the advantages. What were the benefits to Liverpool of a supposedly improved scouting network?
For Gerrard, Owen and Carragher might you not sub in Albrighton, Delph, Delfouneso and Clark among others? It's not like we don't have some good players coming through. Admittedly I'm not sure they will be in the same class as Gerrard and Owen who became world class players but it's not like he's not going to get lucky again.
For me if you look at the mooted shortlist Houllier is the least bad option. Perhaps bad is being harsh as I don't mind the idea as opposed to the other three who I'd prefer having nowhere near the job.
I see a set up with Houllier as a figurehead with KMac and a few other good coaches assisting him working well for us.
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Daily Mail again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1308821/How-Gerard-Houllier-Eurocrat-won-Aston-Villa-Sven-Goran-Eriksson-failed-impress.html?
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Steve Heighway was heavily involved at the Liverpool Academy but left somewhat hastily - Can`t remember who was responsible for removing him from the post - Benitez?
Benitez got rid of Steve Heighway, he was critised for bringing in all his Spanish mates to do every job there
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Steve Heighway was heavily involved at the Liverpool Academy but left somewhat hastily - Can`t remember who was responsible for removing him from the post - Benitez?
Benitez got rid of Steve Heighway, he was critised for bringing in all his Spanish mates to do every job there
Thanks Bosco - I thought it was
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"His heart was something to do with the aorta i believe. Not really related to a continuous dodgy ticker".
Indeed that is true - A friend of mine assisted with the operation to save Houlliers life - his heart virtually exploded. Apparantly he now has a plumbing system within his heart that any plumber would be proud of.
(Said friend is back up Doctor for Citeh)
I am told GH is a pretty decent fella and an anglophile to boot.
Was not on my list of preferred candidates ( personally I would have a punt on Martinez from Wigan), however if he comes I will not be overly disappointed. Not so sure about separate manager and coach thing though.
i'm with you on the Martinez punt VCM,
but can you imagine the fallout if that happened.
i was keeping my head low with the first two results of the season, but then he redeemed himself at Spurs.
it is a risk though, no doubt,
but for me the style of play would be paramount, but thats just a personal thing,
i think he would be capable of building something good given a club like Villa, but it obviously isnt going to happen,
he did get 6 votes on the poll though, so theres 4 more like us somewhere !
Edit, 3 more, someones withdrawn, fickle twot
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Gerrard Houllier and the "Villa Boot Room"
"Gerard Houlier will be Director of Football following the outline set up mentioned by Graham Taylor last week - Taylor is advising the Board. Kevin MacDonald will be Coach with Steve Staunton and Dean Saunders supporting"
Pulled from a rumours page - http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
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Gerrard Houllier and the "Villa Boot Room"
"Gerard Houlier will be Director of Football following the outline set up mentioned by Graham Taylor last week - Taylor is advising the Board. Kevin MacDonald will be Coach with Steve Staunton and Dean Saunders supporting"
Pulled from a rumours page - http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
Too many cooks there.
Steve Staunton though, oh my.
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I'd be massively disappointed with Houllier. I don't understand the excitment about him - may be because he's foreign... All I remember from his time in England is dross football, shit transfers and constant moaning. It'd be just like getting O'Leary back. And I haven't seen any evidence that he has some miraculous keys to the European academies where he'd pinch the world beaters of the future for Villa. All is just a hipe I think...
The only good thing about him was his last game for France!
17 years and still laughing...
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Gerrard Houllier and the "Villa Boot Room"
"Gerard Houlier will be Director of Football following the outline set up mentioned by Graham Taylor last week - Taylor is advising the Board. Kevin MacDonald will be Coach with Steve Staunton and Dean Saunders supporting"
Pulled from a rumours page - http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
Too many cooks there.
Steve Staunton though, oh my.
Good job everything on that site is a load of big hairy bollocks then!
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Gerrard Houllier and the "Villa Boot Room"
"Gerard Houlier will be Director of Football following the outline set up mentioned by Graham Taylor last week - Taylor is advising the Board. Kevin MacDonald will be Coach with Steve Staunton and Dean Saunders supporting"
Pulled from a rumours page - http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
Too many cooks there.
Steve Staunton though, oh my.
Good job everything on that site is a load of big hairy bollocks then!
You beat me to it, what a strange website. Post anything you want- someone might believe. Someone. Might. Maybe not.
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What control and what a finish. Cheers for that tvset. A brief reminder, in the midst of discussions of winter breaks and our potential new managers, of why I occasionally still love football.
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is it still possible to sign anyone on loan ???
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is it still possible to sign anyone on loan ???
It is still possible to sign any free agent, but they won't be registered for that 25 men squad tingi...
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I'd be massively disappointed with Houllier. I don't understand the excitment about him - may be because he's foreign... All I remember from his time in England is dross football, shit transfers and constant moaning. It'd be just like getting O'Leary back. And I haven't seen any evidence that he has some miraculous keys to the European academies where he'd pinch the world beaters of the future for Villa. All is just a hipe I think...
The only good thing about him was his last game for France!
17 years and still laughing...
He blamed Ginola for that goal, again in a really personal, relentless vindictive way. To the point that Ginola threatened legal action. He regularly seems to bring out the worst in people.
First hint of anything going wrong and it will be anybodies fault but his.
I also read that he was very good mates with DOL. That would make sense on so many levels. Though it might have been DOL who actually said it. The same DOL who is also very good friends with Mourinho, Nelson Mandela and Carla Bruni.
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I'd be massively disappointed with Houllier. I don't understand the excitment about him - may be because he's foreign... All I remember from his time in England is dross football, shit transfers and constant moaning. It'd be just like getting O'Leary back. And I haven't seen any evidence that he has some miraculous keys to the European academies where he'd pinch the world beaters of the future for Villa. All is just a hipe I think...
The only good thing about him was his last game for France!
17 years and still laughing...
So based on this I'm guessing if Capello came available you wouldn't have him? Nor would you have Laurent Blanc who majestically oversaw a defeat at home to Belarus tonight. And that quite possibly is the most dramatic statement ever made comparing us getting Houllier to a return by that most prize of wankers O'Leary. You'll be likening Florence Nightingale and Pol Pot next.
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Houllier? I'll believe it when it happens because earlier this week it was definitely Curbishley, then the day after Moyes had cancelled a photoshoot, then it was back to Sven or Kevin Mack. It's not often that the Daily Mail gets anything correct except the day of the week. The General said, we are still looking so the race isn't run yet, clearly!!
If it happens it happens. But for now, chill.
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Gerrard Houllier and the "Villa Boot Room"
"Gerard Houlier will be Director of Football following the outline set up mentioned by Graham Taylor last week - Taylor is advising the Board. Kevin MacDonald will be Coach with Steve Staunton and Dean Saunders supporting"
Pulled from a rumours page - http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
Too many cooks there.
Steve Staunton though, oh my.
Good job everything on that site is a load of big hairy bollocks then!
Its very similar to the story currently on the Mirror website..
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Gerrard Houllier and the "Villa Boot Room"
"Gerard Houlier will be Director of Football following the outline set up mentioned by Graham Taylor last week - Taylor is advising the Board. Kevin MacDonald will be Coach with Steve Staunton and Dean Saunders supporting"
Pulled from a rumours page - http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
Too many cooks there.
Steve Staunton though, oh my.
Good job everything on that site is a load of big hairy bollocks then!
Its very similar to the story currently on the Mirror website..
Proof positive it's hairy bollocks then!
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The Mirror are about as reliable as a DOL team in Doncaster. I just cannot believe they will try a patch work management team. I cannot see anything beyond Houllier manager and K Mac coach. Staunton at best a coach along with K Mac. But I doubt that he will be.
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I'm sweating like a gerbil in a gay bar that it could be Curbishley or Houllier.
Surely there is better out there that we can 'tempt'.
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I'm sweating like a gerbil in a gay bar that it could be Curbishley or Houllier.
Surely there is better out there that we can 'tempt'.
It will not curbishley. It probably will be Houllier.
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The Mirror are about as reliable as a DOL team in Doncaster. I just cannot believe they will try a patch work management team. I cannot see anything beyond Houllier manager and K Mac coach. Staunton at best a coach along with K Mac. But I doubt that he will be.
as someone who has taken the daily Mirror for the last 30 years, i fully concur with this
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The Mirror are about as reliable as a DOL team in Doncaster. I just cannot believe they will try a patch work management team. I cannot see anything beyond Houllier manager and K Mac coach. Staunton at best a coach along with K Mac. But I doubt that he will be.
as someone who has taken the daily Mirror for the last 30 years, i fully concur with this
It was the Labour voting paper from my dad handed down but its ability to follow internet gossip as a source of knowledge of football has stopped the tradition and no longer do I buy that rag. The 3am girls or whatever they are called did not help either.
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I'm sweating like a gerbil in a gay bar
ha ha that line really tickled me, LOL gonna use that one, i have been using " sweating like a chior boy in a vestry" line
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I reckon Randy is trying to introduce something similar to his NFL team Cleveland Browns
Mike Holmgren (President and overall boss of team (Former Head Coach))
Eric Mangini (Head Coach)
to Villa
with possibly Gerald as DOF and MacDonald as Head Coach.
Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/houllier-in-pole-position-to-take-sole-command-of-troubled-villa-2069939.html) reckons Houllier will be running the show himself:
Gerard Houllier would not be interested in a director of football role at Aston Villa and neither are the club intending to implement a two-tier style of management that would incorporate such a role.
After the first round of interviews, Houllier has been given indications that he is the leading contender. For his part, the Frenchman wants the traditional manager's role that was his at Liverpool after his brief job-share with Roy Evans ended in 1998 and he was left to lead the club alone until his departure six years ago.
Houllier, who turned 63 yesterday, has assured the Villa chairman, Randy Lerner, and chief executive Paul Faulkner that his health is not an issue. He suffered a dissection of the aorta – a heart condition – in 2001, from which he made a full recovery. He still returns to Liverpool every year for a check up in the hospital that treated him.
Houllier has been technical director at the French football federation (FFF) for the past three years after leaving Lyons in 2007.
The Villa hierarchy would prefer it if he did not bring with him a large coterie of staff but that has never been his way, even at Liverpool. He is regarded by Villa as a safe pair of hands who could guide the club through the difficult post-Martin O'Neill era.
It is the intention of Lerner to have a new manager in place by the end of the international break in time for the game against Stoke on 13 September. It is not thought that there is a substantial compensation deal to be done with the FFF for his services. Lerner and Faulkner went to meet Houllier after his interest in the job had been put forward to them.
Houllier won two titles with Lyons, who were already the dominant side in French football when he took over. He has never given up hope that he would get another chance in English football and was briefly considered as a possible candidate by Newcastle after they sacked Sam Allardyce in 2008.
The process by which Lerner and Faulkner have vetted candidates has been described by sources as "thorough". They have gone into the detail on the background of all the candidates, which have included Sven-Goran Eriksson and Alan Curbishley. The caretaker manager Kevin MacDonald has also been interviewed. It is Houllier who currently stands out the most.
It is thought that he would be offered the standard one-year rolling contract for managers of his age.
Before he moved to Liverpool, whom he led to a Uefa Cup, FA Cup and League Cup treble in 2001, he also enjoyed title success with Paris St Germain and spent a decade overseeing the development of French football.
Tom Heckert (General manager responsible for recruitment of players and scouting)
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His current job is director of the French Football Federation? Aren't they in a pretty bad state?
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The Mirror are about as reliable as a DOL team in Doncaster. I just cannot believe they will try a patch work management team. I cannot see anything beyond Houllier manager and K Mac coach. Staunton at best a coach along with K Mac. But I doubt that he will be.
as someone who has taken the daily Mirror for the last 30 years, i fully concur with this
It was the Labour voting paper from my dad handed down but its ability to follow internet gossip as a source of knowledge of football has stopped the tradition and no longer do I buy that rag. The 3am girls or whatever they are called did not help either.
it certainly went down hill after Piers Morgan left,
and no i'm not joking
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The Mirror are about as reliable as a DOL team in Doncaster. I just cannot believe they will try a patch work management team. I cannot see anything beyond Houllier manager and K Mac coach. Staunton at best a coach along with K Mac. But I doubt that he will be.
as someone who has taken the daily Mirror for the last 30 years, i fully concur with this
It was the Labour voting paper from my dad handed down but its ability to follow internet gossip as a source of knowledge of football has stopped the tradition and no longer do I buy that rag. The 3am girls or whatever they are called did not help either.
it certainly went down hill after Piers Morgan left,
and no i'm not joking
I concur, it has got worse year upon year for a long many years. And now it just tries to give gossip as fact but does not have the Murdoch millions to make up real juicy stuff that is bullshit. Murdoch can pay the court fees, Trinity Group need to be a bit more careful with their money. And they lost their reason for being when Labour turned into new Labour. Back on topic- it seems clear Houllier and K Mac are the men, its just in what order?
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I think houllier should have the freedom to choose his own coaching staff I'd offered the job- it never really works when a manager has his coach imposed on him and I hope that would not be the case in this instance .
Except he worked happily with Phil Thompson.
East is right, it rarely works.
Did'nt Houiller spend a lot of time in hospital and leave Phil Thompson in charge at one point?
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That was hard work reading through all the posts since I logged on late Thursday night.
Has anybody got a clue what is going on. We, the supporters haven't got a clue so why would the press know any better.
Does anybody actually know for a fact who is deliberating over the appointment of the manager. Is it just RAL and PF or is somebody else involved. We have been told that there are advisors but did their involvement stop after initial suggestions/recommendations. If it is only RAL and PF, who is leaking all this information to the press. If it is just the two of them, can you honestly see either of them talking to the press (other than the conspiracists who think they are dropping out hints to 'test the water'). So, where are the press getting all the information from or are they just making it up as they go along. It seems quite funny that every day we go on without an announcement another name comes up - Donadoni yesterday, who tomorrow.
Are interviews (in the usual context) being carried out as suggested in the press. If so, I haven't seen anything to say where they are being carried out. It is a small world and I am sure somebody would have found out by now and been able to report as fact who has been to see RAL. My opinion, I stopped believing anything in the press as being correct a long time ago. The reporters have a job to write a story to sell a newspaper, the jazzier the better. So how do they know how many have been interviewed and more to the point, who have been discounted.
Is it just me or do others think that we are just being fed crap by the media. People then take this and post it on here as though it was true and give opinions that end mostly in a negative view of RAL for 'not pulling his finger out'. Just follow the trail of a 'supposed' new candidate for the job from when he first gets mentioned in the media, through to when it hits the websites, through the pages and pages of comments that degenerate into he is sh** and finally RAL hasn't got a clue. It is so predictable.
Some people are so blinkered that they think the task of appointing a manager is so easy. First of all, you have to identify the task. As I see it, we are not just looking for a manager but a whole football management structure. MON walked out with his whole team and as many believe (me included) a very limited scouting network. I think Randy is trying to put in place an entire structure for the management of the footballing activities at the club in one fell swoop, something that may not have been done before at any club. The alternative is to appoint a manager in the traditional sense and let him build the structure. I think that Randy has seen first hand the flaw in this type of system. Talking to prospective managers and talking this through with them to get their views and how they would fit in with it would take time and would certainly rule out many candidates. I think Randy wants PF's role in the club to be just financial.
Randy has invested a fortune in our club and sees it as a long term venture. We are at a point in time when he can get the infrastructure right for the future so that the club can build year on year for a sustainable future. My opinion is that if it takes another month to get it right, so be it. I have been a supporter for 43 years and seen us win most things (except the bl**** FA Cup!) but it has been a long time since we last won something. So, if it takes a little longer but we have a better chance, I say, go for it.
There are many people in the game that reckon that Kevin MacDonald is an excellent coach and, if so, we need to build the rest of the infrastructure around him. The manager, therefore, has to be somebody that is willing to work in this type of system. If a manager comes along and says he has a far better coach, so be it and Kev Mac goes back to the reserves. My opinion though is that Kev Mac has been identified by Randy as being integral in the structure and that Kev Mac has told Randy where he sees himself and that is as 1st team coach with more of a say than what he had with MON.
So this takes us back to the manager who has to be a more general manager but, again in my opinion, closer linked to team affairs than the director of football that we have seen before in this country and that many have said have failed before. Failure of the DOF has been due more to the people involved and the separation of the DOF from the manager. What we require is a team that works closely together so that they are all work with a common aim. The general manager would be responsible for the team playing activities from schoolboy all the way through to 1st team but having strong coaching teams at all levels to support him and take away the day to day coaching, allowing him the time to devote to his scouting network and buying/selling players. The manager and 1st team coach would work together in indentifying positions needing strengthening and possible players but the general manager would actually go out and get them so that the coach can spend his time with the team.
I believe that there are very few managers in this country that could work in this system, especially the more 'recognised' names. Even some of the up and comming managers will be stuck in the same old ways system and will not have the vision for it. This is more like a European club structure.
I think that the realists have come to the conclusion that we will never have the money to be able to buy the players to win the PL and, so, if we are going to have ambition to try and win it, we have to 'break the mould' and try something new.
This will be a long term plan and will require a manager that will be with us for 5 years or more. In my opinion, the likes of Sven and GH would be too short term as they would not have the drive to make this work. Whoever is taken on will be a gamble but I think Randy wants somebody that will buy in to being an integral part of the club infrastructure but not somebody that, if they leave, the whole structure falls apart i.e. somebody that thinks he is bigger than the club itself.
The only person that I have read about that has this long term thinking to build this sustainable infrastructure and has studied different coaching and management methods is Jurgen Klinsmann. There are others that appear to be progressive and funny enough most are German or North European. The gamble with Klinsmann would be no management experience in the PL but he has the charisma and would appear to be well liked by the media, especially the TV pundits, many of whom played at the same time as he did. His experience of playing here must have taught him much about club management. People have said that he failed at Bayern Munich but he was pushed out before the system he was trying to set up started to take effect. Growth area for the club has to be USA as I cannot see us breaking into the Far East. Klinsmann is very well respected in the States and could help this growth.
If Randy gets this right, it could be the making of something big for the club. There are no quick fixes, so I would say "Randy, take your time but get it right and it is Klinsmann and KM for me"
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The sporting director thing works well in Europe. Noone seemed to complain too much at Spurs when Jol was there with Comolli either.
What I cant understand if why Walford, Robertson, McDonagh et al left with MON. Surely they all held individual contracts with the club and not with MON? McDonald, McAndrews and Cowans didnt leave so I dont understand it. To be honest I think if a manager brings in his own coaches en bloc it reeks of insecurity. Remember reading an article about McClaren at Twente, he said Bobby Robson had advised to go it alone and that it was a great decision. A club is wide open to the whims of a manager like MON taking off and bringing the club coaching staff with him. To be honest leaving like he did was despicable.
In that sense, its understandable that the club dont want to go through something like that again. We need someone to come in and strategically look at where the club could improve - scouting is a big one. Not just hire some clown like Ian Storey Moore but send our youth coaches out to Eastern Europe, the US, Africa etc. We shouldnt be just developing players, we need to develop coaches, scouts, administrators etc aswell.
Houllier would be a decent enough appointment as manager and sporting director. But I dont think he can do both. Kevin McDonald isnt up the task of manager. Assistant probably so we are in a pickle really.
On Houllier - he does have a fine record. He almost made the breakthrough at Liverpool similar to Benitez but at least he left the club in the Champions League. He did sign a load of players plus was fortunate that Gerrard and Owen emerged at the same time. Carragher was a utility player under him. Benitez moved him to centre half. He made many good signings - Hyppia, Henchoz, Hamann, McAllister etc but I guess he was always on borrowed time once the big money signings Diao and Diouf turned out to be utter shite. He would organise the team better which is badly needed. At Liverpool though he was pretty conservative and seemed to favour strong athletic players so I'm not sure if he would be the best fit for the likes of Ashley Young, Ireland, Albrighton, Downing, Gabby etc. He certainly would have a better eye for a player than MON as he wouldnt concentrate solely on Britain. He also became a bit paranoid towards the end of his time at Liverpool with the media and players so hope he has left all that baggage behind. His health is a huge concern but appointing him would be more of a safe pair of hands rather than someone who will take us into the Champions League imo.
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I doubt Villa are leaking anything to the press, more likely ''sources'' of the interviewees.
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I do not think Houllier is the way forward. His successes at Liverpool are a long time back and at a time when Liverpool were expected to win things, not like they are now. Liverpool at the time had money and should have been contenders for the PL but he did not deliver and the cup wins were viewed very much as runners-up prizes. As others have said, he was not very successful in the transfer market and his brand of football was a bit too technical = dull.
Since Liverpool he has seemed to be on a downward curve as far as the jobs he has had. Not on the level of the job but the intensity of the work involved, almost pushing towards retirement. Could he handle the pressure of the PL now, I don't know. Does he still have ambition or would it be just another job. At 63 and working for a foreign football club, I cannot see where he will get that drive to succeed from and the source of inspiration for those that will follow him. It is not like working for a French club or helping to develop French football.
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Old man villa fan: You have described it exactly how I see it.
Trust me, that's not much of a complement but at least I'm not alone.
However I fear Randy sees it differently...
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I'd be massively disappointed with Houllier. I don't understand the excitment about him - may be because he's foreign... All I remember from his time in England is dross football, shit transfers and constant moaning. It'd be just like getting O'Leary back. And I haven't seen any evidence that he has some miraculous keys to the European academies where he'd pinch the world beaters of the future for Villa. All is just a hipe I think...
The only good thing about him was his last game for France!
17 years and still laughing...
So based on this I'm guessing if Capello came available you wouldn't have him? Nor would you have Laurent Blanc who majestically oversaw a defeat at home to Belarus tonight. And that quite possibly is the most dramatic statement ever made comparing us getting Houllier to a return by that most prize of wankers O'Leary. You'll be likening Florence Nightingale and Pol Pot next.
I don't see the logic why "based on this" I wouldn't like Capello. Indeed I'd have Capello as one of my top 3 picks of all current managers - available or not - as I am well impressed by his work rate, methods and success at club level (I tend to ignore the ongoings of England national side, as I believe problems there lie far beyond the manager's position).
Anyway, all I said was that with Houllier I won't be impressed or inspired - I do not remember any top brand football, neither exciting signings (if you don't count the excitement of trying to pronounce their names) during his spell in English football. He's too old to bring in anything modern into Villa. He's too much of a moaner for me. And I personally believe the fact most people see him as someone that has some hidden miraculous ability to attract top young talents, will turn up to be a major disappointment. I could be wrong, but I do not believe the fact he works for some average French youth set up makes him more qualified to attract good players than any other manager in the business (MON naturally excluded ;) ).
Ah, and my point about O'Leary was simply that the day we appointed him I started waiting for the day we'd fire him as I had more or less the same feelings about him (overrated moaner with no chance for success) - hence the comparison.
Regarding the video bit it was just a dig at the French and a romantic memory of what kind of players Bulgaria once had compared to the bunch of shitheads that let in 4 by pedestrian England...
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I'd be massively disappointed with Houllier. I don't understand the excitment about him - may be because he's foreign... All I remember from his time in England is dross football, shit transfers and constant moaning. It'd be just like getting O'Leary back. And I haven't seen any evidence that he has some miraculous keys to the European academies where he'd pinch the world beaters of the future for Villa. All is just a hipe I think...
The only good thing about him was his last game for France!
17 years and still laughing...
So based on this I'm guessing if Capello came available you wouldn't have him? Nor would you have Laurent Blanc who majestically oversaw a defeat at home to Belarus tonight. And that quite possibly is the most dramatic statement ever made comparing us getting Houllier to a return by that most prize of wankers O'Leary. You'll be likening Florence Nightingale and Pol Pot next.
Didn't he say that "Ginola had killed French football"
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This paper talk about our new manager has to be rubbish even if randy Lerner was on his way to the nut house he wouldn't employ Steve Staunton as coach. That's just crazy!!! I say let's ignore all this rubbish 'paper' talk and we may get a nice surprise. Remember it's only paper talk
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Our last manager was hailed by many as the Messiah, spent shed loads and lost two of our best players and gave away several future Internationals, leaving too many expensive dead woods in their place. He achieved several 6th places and a few Wembley defeats.
Whoever gets the job doesn't have overly much to live up to,so even if spending is limited he won't have to set his sights too high, maybe 6th or higher, a good cup run, setting up a decent scouting network, unloading a few overpaid players and coherent post match comments. I doubt,KM, excepted that such is beyond many on the list so why be so concerned.
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Our last manager was hailed by many as the Messiah, blah blah blah self seeking bollocks etc
Nope, the only people who used wanky terms like the Messiah were thick pricks on the wind up.
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How much was O'Runner on, does anyone know ?
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I still want Sven!!
Sven all the way, he is the biggest name in the list we have interviewed!
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How much was O'Runner on, does anyone know ?
Wasn't it about 3 million
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I still want Sven!!
Sven all the way, he is the biggest name in the list we have interviewed!
Snap
Think that ones dead in the water now
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Our last manager was hailed by many as the Messiah, spent shed loads and lost two of our best players and gave away several future Internationals, leaving too many expensive dead woods in their place. He achieved several 6th places and a few Wembley defeats.
Whoever gets the job doesn't have overly much to live up to,so even if spending is limited he won't have to set his sights too high, maybe 6th or higher, a good cup run, setting up a decent scouting network, unloading a few overpaid players and coherent post match comments. I doubt,KM, excepted that such is beyond many on the list so why be so concerned.
Football is about opinions. I could not disagree with yours more.
MON delivered the best three consecutive finishes of any post WW2 manager. Not the Messiah? Perhaps. But how good does it have to get for you? The existing scouting network delivered that.
“Lost” two of our best players – to the richest club in the world. Hardly a hanging crime. “Gave away several future internationals” – who? And were they left in a bag outside an Oxfam shop? And even if players do go on to become Internationals, you can play for Swansea and be an International.
To say that MON’s successor does not have much to live up to is factual nonsense. See above. Is losing an FA Cup semi final to the winners and League Champions a disgrace?
No manager gets it right all the time, but Ashley Young, Dunne, James Collins snr, Milner, Freidel have all been fine additions to the squad. Yes there have been some Dodo’s, Heskey, Harewood, Petrov, but you don’t get it right all the time – no manager does.
I agree with you that Kmac is not the man for the job. But no-one will match or beat MON’s performance over the next three seasons. Mark my words.
The wind does seem to be blowing Houllier’s direction, and I am neither particularly for, or against. The club does need a strong Administrative and footballing structure which is not beholden to any manager. Houllier might be the man for the job. But so might Graham Taylor in a DOF role. I do not like the idea of kmac working under Houllier as coach.
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i'm glad its not going to be Moyes,
i know that sounds mad, and i agree he's a good manager and done a good job at Everton.
but for me his style of football is very similar to MON and i'm fed up with that,
i know he has got a bit better latley and has Arteta, but its still functional and unimagineative [is that a proper word ?]
dont forget his team couldnt break down a piss poor villa performance last week, and where have we heard that before.
so i may be the only one, but Moyes was just more of the same for me.
Houllier has a terible transfer record, but i'm hoping for better and a more attractive style of play from him,
i'm 50/50 on his appointment if thats who we got
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Our last manager was hailed by many as the Messiah, spent shed loads and lost two of our best players and gave away several future Internationals, leaving too many expensive dead woods in their place. He achieved several 6th places and a few Wembley defeats.
Whoever gets the job doesn't have overly much to live up to,so even if spending is limited he won't have to set his sights too high, maybe 6th or higher, a good cup run, setting up a decent scouting network, unloading a few overpaid players and coherent post match comments. I doubt,KM, excepted that such is beyond many on the list so why be so concerned.
Football is about opinions. I could not disagree with yours more.
MON delivered the best three consecutive finishes of any post WW2 manager. Not the Messiah? Perhaps. But how good does it have to get for you? The existing scouting network delivered that.
“Lost” two of our best players – to the richest club in the world. Hardly a hanging crime. “Gave away several future internationals” – who? And were they left in a bag outside an Oxfam shop? And even if players do go on to become Internationals, you can play for Swansea and be an International.
To say that MON’s successor does not have much to live up to is factual nonsense. See above. Is losing an FA Cup semi final to the winners and League Champions a disgrace?
No manager gets it right all the time, but Ashley Young, Dunne, James Collins snr, Milner, Freidel have all been fine additions to the squad. Yes there have been some Dodo’s, Heskey, Harewood, Petrov, but you don’t get it right all the time – no manager does.
I agree with you that Kmac is not the man for the job. But no-one will match or beat MON’s performance over the next three seasons. Mark my words.
The wind does seem to be blowing Houllier’s direction, and I am neither particularly for, or against. The club does need a strong Administrative and footballing structure which is not beholden to any manager. Houllier might be the man for the job. But so might Graham Taylor in a DOF role. I do not like the idea of kmac working under Houllier as coach.
Petrov a dodo? Most of the rest i agree with, although i think the right manager could improve a little on MON's record and play much more entertaining football at the same time. Thats what we need to be aiming for anyway. Houllier, however, will not improve on the level of success MON acheived. But yes, SFX does talk some nonsense in that lot, unfortunate because i thought his tablets had been working to an extent recently.
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I'm sweating like a gerbil in a gay bar
ha ha that line really tickled me, LOL gonna use that one, i have been using " sweating like a chior boy in a vestry" line
Type in sweating like a ... jokes on google. You will find loads more.
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I can take Houllier being appointed manager
but to have him as a DoF or Technical Director and MacDonald as head coach would be an awful idea IMO
when has that ever worked? not being funny i genuinely can't remember the last time i saw that become a success
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Houllier has a terible transfer record, but i'm hoping for better and a more attractive style of play from him
Don't count on it John. Liverpool under him were mostly dull and uninspiring.
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Our last manager was hailed by many as the Messiah, spent shed loads and lost two of our best players and gave away several future Internationals, leaving too many expensive dead woods in their place. He achieved several 6th places and a few Wembley defeats.
Whoever gets the job doesn't have overly much to live up to,so even if spending is limited he won't have to set his sights too high, maybe 6th or higher, a good cup run, setting up a decent scouting network, unloading a few overpaid players and coherent post match comments. I doubt,KM, excepted that such is beyond many on the list so why be so concerned.
Despite leaving at an awkward time, MON did a bloody good job for us. Yes he had his faults, but i think a couple of years down the line, we'll look back and appreciate what he did. I already do.
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Houllier has a terible transfer record, but i'm hoping for better and a more attractive style of play from him
Don't count on it John. Liverpool under him were mostly dull and uninspiring.
yeah, thanks, thats made me feel a whole lot better !
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I would pull out all the stops to get Jol, two top five finishes with Spurs and they werent pulling up any trees before he took over. Rijkaard did well with Holland and Barcelona. Anyone wondering about the fact Alex Mcleish hasnt signed his contract yet? I think with his track record if he had finished in the top ten with any other promoted team last season we would be mentioning him more.
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What's this crap I hear about Staunton??
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Mc Leish is a good Manager, he would be in the frame if he was not at Small Heath, did well at Rangers, I wonder if he has been considered?
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Mc Leish is a good Manager, he would be in the frame if he was not at Small Heath, did well at Rangers, I wonder if he has been considered?
Forget Villa-Small Heath, imagine the last big Celtic manager being replaced by the last but one Rangers manager!
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So far we have had Bradley, Fat druggy cheating Argie, Moyes, McDonald, Curbishley and now Houllier all looking pretty certain they are the next manager (OK, the Argie was a bit of larf). Monday it will be someone else....whoever the board are interviewing.
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What's this crap I hear about Staunton??
He's gonna be assistant to MacDonald,who will work under Houllier,I think Stauntons assistant will be Phil King! I think this is from The Mirror though,so its probably pure bshit.
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Mc Leish is a good Manager, he would be in the frame if he was not at Small Heath, did well at Rangers, I wonder if he has been considered?
Forget Villa-Small Heath, imagine the last big Celtic manager being replaced by the last but one Rangers manager!
Yep, that's much more important to everybody on H&V.
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Forget Villa-Small Heath, imagine the last big Celtic manager being replaced by the last but one Rangers manager!
Villa-Blues does not even compare to Celtic -Rangers we are talking very different circumstances beyond football there.
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I'd be massively disappointed with Houllier. I don't understand the excitment about him - may be because he's foreign... All I remember from his time in England is dross football, shit transfers and constant moaning. It'd be just like getting O'Leary back. And I haven't seen any evidence that he has some miraculous keys to the European academies where he'd pinch the world beaters of the future for Villa. All is just a hipe I think...
The only good thing about him was his last game for France!
17 years and still laughing...
So based on this I'm guessing if Capello came available you wouldn't have him? Nor would you have Laurent Blanc who majestically oversaw a defeat at home to Belarus tonight. And that quite possibly is the most dramatic statement ever made comparing us getting Houllier to a return by that most prize of wankers O'Leary. You'll be likening Florence Nightingale and Pol Pot next.
I don't see the logic why "based on this" I wouldn't like Capello. Indeed I'd have Capello as one of my top 3 picks of all current managers - available or not - as I am well impressed by his work rate, methods and success at club level (I tend to ignore the ongoings of England national side, as I believe problems there lie far beyond the manager's position).
Anyway, all I said was that with Houllier I won't be impressed or inspired - I do not remember any top brand football, neither exciting signings (if you don't count the excitement of trying to pronounce their names) during his spell in English football. He's too old to bring in anything modern into Villa. He's too much of a moaner for me. And I personally believe the fact most people see him as someone that has some hidden miraculous ability to attract top young talents, will turn up to be a major disappointment. I could be wrong, but I do not believe the fact he works for some average French youth set up makes him more qualified to attract good players than any other manager in the business (MON naturally excluded ;) ).
Ah, and my point about O'Leary was simply that the day we appointed him I started waiting for the day we'd fire him as I had more or less the same feelings about him (overrated moaner with no chance for success) - hence the comparison.
Regarding the video bit it was just a dig at the French and a romantic memory of what kind of players Bulgaria once had compared to the bunch of shitheads that let in 4 by pedestrian England...
You say you ignore the national side when referring to Capello, yet posted a clip from Houllier's time as manager of France. I also certainly wouldn't bring international football into it because we'd be crucifying a lot of top club managers. Are you including everything he has done in football management or basing your entire knowledge of him on what he did at Liverpool 6 or 7 years ago? I actually think a lot of people are doing that which is a tad unfair. As for transfers, a lot of managers have made bad signings, or at least those that were better at the time than they worked out to be. While at Lyon he purchased (and sold) Carew Fred, Tiago, Toulalan, Kim Kallstrom, Squillaci (just joined Arsenal) so not all bad. Yes, as with any manager there some not so good players there too.
Look, I'm not waving the Houllier flag from the top of a building. Far from it, I would have preferred to see someone younger and better if they were available. I just don't think they are because of when this all blew up on us. What I am saying is that I simply cannot have a hard stance against a manager that has lot of experience in the game, has won trophies in England and on the continent, has won a European trophy, has worked with some top players here and in Europe and is a Technical Director in France that has overseen the development of some of best young players in Europe. If he helps shape Aston Villa for the next 5 years then we must look at him seriously. I would hope that this isn't a short term, move by the club. That instead it is a larger plan to move Villa forward. I think MON is good for the game today, but we were falling behind in many ways in technical development, coaching, tactics and world wide scouting. I also happen to think Sir Graham has had a rather big say in this because the board know just how much he is respected by us.
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I can't see the point of Houillier being appointed, with or without KMac.
He is 63, been out of the game for 3 yrs, out of the Prem even longer, a negligible record of management, a good reputation of developing players like Diouf, Cheroyu?
He's not going to want the hassle/pressure of running a top prem side.
And then theres KMac....a good up and coming manager with potential?No evidence of that, whilst he appears to be a good reserve team coach and developing players, the evidence at 1st team level suggests that he is lacking in a lot of skills, organization/formations/motivation.
If we are looking for a good up and coming manager, then appoint McLeish/Coyle/Lambert/Martinez.
I'd give it 1 season, and we will end up losing AYoung by the end of it.
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Can't help wondering if the reason why they're taking so long is because they're discussing compensation with a club?
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Houllier is the current technical director for the shambles that is France, so Randy thought I know let's make him football director at villa.
I just can't see it, I think Randy will get a manager in on a DoF
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I can't see the point of Houillier being appointed, with or without KMac.
He is 63, been out of the game for 3 yrs, out of the Prem even longer, a negligible record of management, a good reputation of developing players like Diouf, Cheroyu?
He's not going to want the hassle/pressure of running a top prem side.
And then theres KMac....a good up and coming manager with potential?No evidence of that, whilst he appears to be a good reserve team coach and developing players, the evidence at 1st team level suggests that he is lacking in a lot of skills, organization/formations/motivation.
If we are looking for a good up and coming manager, then appoint McLeish/Coyle/Lambert/Martinez.
I'd give it 1 season, and we will end up losing AYoung by the end of it.
Is that bit a joke?
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Houllier is the current technical director for the shambles that is France, so Randy thought I know let's make him football director at villa.
I just can't see it, I think Randy will get a manager in on a DoF
The technical side of France is fine. The problem with France stems from the previous manager not being fired after the last Euro's. I bet you any money that France under Blanc will be in far better shape than England in no time. They have some very good players coming through and just need to rid themselves of the indiscipline that was allowed under Domenech.
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Lamberts up and coming, and i still think Martinez will be a good manager.
But my point was IF, we go for KMac, theny why him, and not a better up and coming manager.
Personally i would go all out for Jol/Moyes or Hiddink.
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Surely if it was houllier or kmac an announcement would have been made by now- maybe randy will pull a rabbit out the hat and shock us all with a top name manager that nobody thought we could get?
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Can Monty or someone knowledgeable on French football give a critical précis of his 3 years managing Lyon? Apols if I've missed it.
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Can Monty or someone knowledgeable on French football give a critical précis of his 3 years managing Lyon? Apols if I've missed it.
Two years, two titles, (making it 6 in a row after Le Guen) then dumped for not getting far enough in the Chumps League.
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I still remember the quote from some guy 'A donkey could lead Lyon to a title'. That said the last couple of managers must be worse than donkeys.
Also as borne out by his career post Lyon Le Guen is an utterly appalling manager and even he managed to win consecutive titles. Mind I'm still saying this as someone who thinks he's the right man.
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if we can not get who we really want at this point in the season then appointing Houllier on a 1-2 year contract isn't a terrible idea. Hopefully, he would be able to help bringing some of the kids through.
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Been having a quick browse on the net and found this, an article written in the Guardian in 2006, a year or so after Houllier had taken over at Lyon.
http://tinyurl.com/3azmty3
I think the relevant parts I found of interest are:
"Anyway ... Lyon. They may not be as swashbuckling as they were under Le Guen but they're definitely tighter. While Houllier has nominally retained Le Guen's adventurous 4-3-3 formation, the increased work ethic he has instilled means it turns into a 4-5-1 faster than it ever did under Le Guen. It is to Houllier's credit that despite losing Michael Essien and Mahamadou Diarra in successive summers, he has managed to produce a phenomenally hard-working team packed with pace and power"
and
"The third obstacle, then, could be the trickiest: Houllier himself. You might think Lyon have immense self-belief, borne of overwhelming domestic domination. And the fact that on three separate occasions this season they've come from 1-0 down with six minutes to go to win 2-1 suggest you'd be right. But niggling doubts remain. They are very aware, for instance, that despite their overwhelming supremacy in France over the last five years, they have failed to clinch a domestic double, consistently slipping up in knockout tournaments. And, of course, they know that in 2005 and 2006 they botched a Champions League quarter-final when they had victory in their grasp.
Houllier was brought in in 2005 specifically to address these doubts. He was charged with hauling the club from the ranks of the very good into the pantheon of the European greats. This, of course, is exactly what he failed to do at Liverpool, where he succeeded in getting the club back on the straight and narrow but couldn't lift it to higher ground. Why? Because to complement his school teacher's discipline and method, he suffers from a school teacher's lack of boldness.
This was alarmingly clear in last season's quarter-final failure. After being lucky to escape with a 0-0 draw in the first leg (which Juninho missed through suspension), the Lyonnais were superb against Milan in the San Siro and, with the score at 1-1, seemed set to progress on away goals. With 15 minutes to go, Houllier was consumed by conservatism and hauled off Sidney Govou to replace him with Réveillère, surrendering the initiative to Milan who duly snatched two late goals. This was exactly the sort of caving-in that Houllier had presided over in 1994, when his France side quite spectacularly bottled their attempt to qualify for the World Cup: needing just one point from their final two games, Houllier's side, paralysed by fear, lost at home to Bulgaria and Israel. Houllier now says he has learned from these gutless blunders. We will see."
I guess the suggestion is, he has his plus and minus points.
Having said that, the majority of articles (I've read so far) that were written around the time of his resignation suggest most people were glad to see the back of him.
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I would pull out all the stops to get Jol, two top five finishes with Spurs and they werent pulling up any trees before he took over. Rijkaard did well with Holland and Barcelona. Anyone wondering about the fact Alex Mcleish hasnt signed his contract yet? I think with his track record if he had finished in the top ten with any other promoted team last season we would be mentioning him more.
Problem is Ajax qualifying for champions league, can you see him walking away from a group with AC Miland and Real Madrid in it? I think either him or Moyes will be available next summer so I'm o.k with a short term appointment.
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I would pull out all the stops to get Jol, two top five finishes with Spurs and they werent pulling up any trees before he took over. Rijkaard did well with Holland and Barcelona. Anyone wondering about the fact Alex Mcleish hasnt signed his contract yet? I think with his track record if he had finished in the top ten with any other promoted team last season we would be mentioning him more.
Problem is Ajax qualifying for champions league, can you see him walking away from a group with AC Miland and Real Madrid in it? I think either him or Moyes will be available next summer so I'm o.k with a short term appointment.
i dont know. Stoke away next match could have been a deal clincher
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The main worry from his time at Lyon is he saw fit to swop Carew for Baros.
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The dynasty that is, er, 63 year old Gerard Houllier? If they want to appoint him as a DOF with Kevin MacDonald as the day to day Manager, then why not appoint Kevin BEFORE the transfer window slammed shut, informing him that they want to bring in a senior Manager to teach him? Makes no sense to me at all. I hope that this does not happen. He's been out of day to day management for years and we might be asking him to come and manage a top six premier league club? Doesn't makie sense to me at all.
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Why the delay in announcing if the decision has been made?
Perhaps they are still undecided.
If KMac ends up being the appointment I feel this and other sites will go into meltdown and I suggest that the General stays off line, at least until Christmas.
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well he's in the country at Jamie Carragher's testimonial. So maybe it all gets finalized this weekend.
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Or maybe Houllier hasn't decided he wants to accept yet, meaning we can't announce anything.
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Or maybe Houllier hasn't decided he wants to accept yet, meaning we can't announce anything.
good shout there gibbo, the general did say something about any future manager would want to due diligence before moving to a new club
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Our last manager was hailed by many as the Messiah, spent shed loads and lost two of our best players and gave away several future Internationals, leaving too many expensive dead woods in their place. He achieved several 6th places and a few Wembley defeats.
Whoever gets the job doesn't have overly much to live up to,so even if spending is limited he won't have to set his sights too high, maybe 6th or higher, a good cup run, setting up a decent scouting network, unloading a few overpaid players and coherent post match comments. I doubt,KM, excepted that such is beyond many on the list so why be so concerned.
Despite leaving at an awkward time, MON did a bloody good job for us. Yes he had his faults, but i think a couple of years down the line, we'll look back and appreciate what he did. I already do.
I don't. I'm left with a feeling of complete frustration of what could have been if Martin had not been so bloody loyal to Robertson and Walford. They really were the millstone around his neck. He spoke several times about trying to improve the way we play but there was very little evidence apart from the end of hoofing last season. Even possibly more frustrating was he'd called Kevin MacDonald up this summer to help out with the first squad. Maybe he was finally beginning to realise we needed help with the coaching or maybe he was getting ready to pass over the reins. We'll never know.
Given the amount of money he was given to spend, sixth place was the minimum we should have expected. What is disappointing is that in four years in charge, we rarely ever looked like a decent top 6 side. It was all about week in, week out, digging out the results instead of improving the team whereby we could step it up a gear if and when needed. Hopefully the new manager, whoever he may be, will get us playing to our potential and get the points on the board. As I said many times last season, we're not half as bad as we pretend to be.
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Our last manager was hailed by many as the Messiah, spent shed loads and lost two of our best players and gave away several future Internationals, leaving too many expensive dead woods in their place. He achieved several 6th places and a few Wembley defeats.
Whoever gets the job doesn't have overly much to live up to,so even if spending is limited he won't have to set his sights too high, maybe 6th or higher, a good cup run, setting up a decent scouting network, unloading a few overpaid players and coherent post match comments. I doubt,KM, excepted that such is beyond many on the list so why be so concerned.
Despite leaving at an awkward time, MON did a bloody good job for us. Yes he had his faults, but i think a couple of years down the line, we'll look back and appreciate what he did. I already do.
I don't. I'm left with a feeling of complete frustration of what could have been if Martin had not been so bloody loyal to Robertson and Walford. They really were the millstone around his neck. He spoke several times about trying to improve the way we play but there was very little evidence apart from the end of hoofing last season. Even possibly more frustrating was he'd called Kevin MacDonald up this summer to help out with the first squad. Maybe he was finally beginning to realise we needed help with the coaching or maybe he was getting ready to pass over the reins. We'll never know.
Given the amount of money he was given to spend, sixth place was the minimum we should have expected. What is disappointing is that in four years in charge, we rarely ever looked like a decent top 6 side. It was all about week in, week out, digging out the results instead of improving the team whereby we could step it up a gear if and when needed. Hopefully the new manager, whoever he may be, will get us playing to our potential and get the points on the board. As I said many times last season, we're not half as bad as we pretend to be.
He did a decent job. Not a stellar one, just a decent one.
I think we'd seen the extent of his abilities, though, and i think he realised it too, and that that had something to do with his departure.
Part of the evaluation of a manager is how he leaves the club, though, and it isn't really looking too clever at the moment. That's the sad bit. Much of it could have been avoided.
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if he had walked at the end of last season most would have appreciated what he did, he didnt he walked causing massive damage to the club, i will never forgive him for that
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if he had walked at the end of last season most would have appreciated what he did, he didnt he walked causing massive damage to the club, i will never forgive him for that
My gut feeling is that there was a good reason that he walked. I'd certainly like to hear his side of the story before "never forgiving him". I think he deserves that (he did a good job)
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if he had walked at the end of last season most would have appreciated what he did, he didnt he walked causing massive damage to the club, i will never forgive him for that
This x10.
Right now, it stinks because it seems to me that who ever Randy wants as first choice is not available and who ever he appoints now will be his 2nd? 3rd? 4th? choice? I blame MON. He made his little Mark Hughes comment at the end of the season awards dinner and when Hughes was finally appointed at Fuhlam MON fucked off. Very classy. Thanks.
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if he had walked at the end of last season most would have appreciated what he did, he didnt he walked causing massive damage to the club, i will never forgive him for that
This x10.
Right now, it stinks because it seems to me that who ever Randy wants as first choice is not available and who ever he appoints now will be his 2nd? 3rd? 4th? choice? I blame MON. He made his little Mark Hughes comment at the end of the season awards dinner and when Hughes was finally appointed at Fuhlam MON fucked off. Very classy. Thanks.
Aye - What was the little Mark Hughes comment?
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Who are the several future internationals he gave away?
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Who are the several future internationals he gave away?
Cahill got his first cap Friday? Arguably there's one there. Do we get any extra cash for that?
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Cahill was neither given away, nor was is he several.
(Not having a go at you Diablo)
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if he had walked at the end of last season most would have appreciated what he did, he didnt he walked causing massive damage to the club, i will never forgive him for that
This x10.
Right now, it stinks because it seems to me that who ever Randy wants as first choice is not available and who ever he appoints now will be his 2nd? 3rd? 4th? choice? I blame MON. He made his little Mark Hughes comment at the end of the season awards dinner and when Hughes was finally appointed at Fuhlam MON fucked off. Very classy. Thanks.
Aye - What was the little Mark Hughes comment?
Back in May at the Villa awards, MON gave this weird little speech and mentioned that there was no need for Lerner to contact Hughes. It's in this articlehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1273999/Will-Martin-ONeill-wave-goodbye-Aston-Villa-summer.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1273999/Will-Martin-ONeill-wave-goodbye-Aston-Villa-summer.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) People thought it was an odd thing to say at the time. It probably has nothing to do with anything but if one was a conspiracy theory fan then this would whet the whistle. Personally I think there's something to all of it.
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Houllier may be a canny appointment. It's not going to be long term, but he could give KMac the benefit of his many years experience, whilst setting up a foreign scouting network.
Then in a years time, perhaps Learner will bring in the man that he really wants and able to offer him a club thats in a much healthier position with regards to challenging for honours.
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Houllier may be a canny appointment. It's not going to be long term, but he could give KMac the benefit of his many years experience, whilst setting up a foreign scouting network.
Then in a years time, perhaps Learner will bring in the man that he really wants and able to offer him a club thats in a much healthier position with regards to challenging for honours.
Houllier may be a canny appointment. It's not going to be long term, but he could give KMac the benefit of his many years experience, whilst setting up a foreign scouting network.
Then in a years time, perhaps Learner will bring in the man that he really wants and able to offer him a club thats in a much healthier position with regards to challenging for honours.
We have achieved three consecutive sixth placed finishes.The annual income of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool has been at least double ours for several years , Man City are the richest club in the world.
Our current recruiting policy has not done us that badly has it? The only thing that will put us in a "much helthier position to challenge for honours" is somone with the wealth to rival Man City's which is highly unlikely to happen.
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Guy, our recruitment policy for money spent has been average at best.
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i think Villa need to come out and say something ASAP regarding an appoitment as the rumours are starting all over again...
hopefully the press confrence on Monday or Tuesday will be an appoitment as Manager...
why oh why cant we get Sven as manager!! thats a real shame!!
however i would also be happy with Houllier as manager only! would prefer Sven though.
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also i am sure KMac will still be Manager against Stoke.(not too sure about this)
Thank you for that insight.
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What was in box number 4? We've had Curbishley, then Kevin Mac, now Houllier and Kevin Mac and/or Stan - so who was number 4 on the shortlist?
I reckon club sources have drip fed the press a big pile of bullshit leads and somewhere across town Brian Horton is gathering his generals and trying on his Nike training gear ready for tomorrow's press conference.
Fingers crossed we could still be in for a surprise. :-X
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If you believe the papers, it was Eriksson, who didn't impress.
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I reckon club sources have drip fed the press a big pile of bullshit leads and somewhere across town Brian Horton is gathering his generals and trying on his Nike training gear ready for tomorrow's press conference.
Fingers crossed we could still be in for a surprise. :-X
I'm still hoping for Gerry Francis. I've had my hair done in his own particular style, as a tribute.
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If you believe the papers, it was Eriksson, who didn't impress.
Wasn't it 4 + MacDonald?
My sources suggest it was Cherie Lunghi.
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Who are the several future internationals he gave away?
Cahill got his first cap Friday? Arguably there's one there. Do we get any extra cash for that?
yes he did get rid of Cahill,
but in fairnes replaced him with Curtis Davies for 8/10 mill, so good busines there
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Who are the several future internationals he gave away?
Cahill got his first cap Friday? Arguably there's one there. Do we get any extra cash for that?
yes he did get rid of Cahill,
but in fairnes replaced him with Curtis Davies for 8/10 mill, so good busines there
You're correct, he did get rid of him. However he didn't give him away.
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I reckon club sources have drip fed the press a big pile of bullshit leads and somewhere across town Brian Horton is gathering his generals and trying on his Nike training gear ready for tomorrow's press conference.
Fingers crossed we could still be in for a surprise. :-X
I'm still hoping for Gerry Francis. I've had my hair done in his own particular style, as a tribute.
Ha, ha, that made me smile! God, he does look like a freak doesn't he...
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I'd be very happy for Houiller to come in as a director of some sort, with responsibilities for things like the academy, scouting and so forth. There's only one problem: where's the manager?
By appointing Houiller as DoF they'd effectively be giving the responsibilities of management of the team to K Mac. The areas where Houiller would have responsibility - transfers, youth development etc - are areas where K Mac has either not had a chance to prove himself or has proved himself worthy. The areas where he has been shown to be deficient - team selection, top flight tactics, being hard on the players if need be - would be left still under his responsibility. As a result, appointing Houiller as DoF, if it happens, should be seen as entirely irrelevant to our search for a new manager. It would solve none of the problems we had in the Newcastle, Rapid or Everton games and at best would enable us to make some signings in January.
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surely if it was houlllier it would have been announced by now , im hoping the delay means there has maybe been a late entrant and we may appoint someone better , but i hope and pray that kev mac does not get the job.
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Cahill was neither given away, nor was is he several.
(Not having a go at you Diablo)
No problem SubMariner - I was just starting the ball rolling - trying to figure out who they were too. Gotta admit I was a bit gutted watching the England match that we had 3 ex Villa players on the pitch Barry, Milner and then Cahill. Then Young came on and I thought it could well be 4 ex Villa players soon (if all the Spurs thing is true) and we've become the new Westham!!
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I just don't buy this DoF stuff. KMac said he loved working with the first team but didn't really enjoy the limelight that came with the manager's position. It makes more sense that Houllier comes in as manager with Kev as first team coach/assistant manager with a view to maybe taking over from Houllier in the future and having the kind of continuity that we lacked when MON walked. If they are both in senior roles then it is just open to criticism and the press would continually bring up the Houllier/Evans Liverpool fiasco.
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Although I don't think Houllier would be a bad appointment, I have a feeling this process is going to rumble on for a fair while yet.
We keep hearing people are hot favourites to be appointed, then nothing happens for a few days and they start to drift.
It is intriguing stuff, but I still think they'll probably appoint soneone out of the blue, someone we have barely mentioned.
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Although I don't think Houllier would be a bad appointment, I have a feeling this process is going to rumble on for a fair while yet.
We keep hearing people are hot favourites to be appointed, then nothing happens for a few days and they start to drift.
It is intriguing stuff, but I still think they'll probably appoint soneone out of the blue, someone we have barely mentioned.
You have a point there. But this one does seem to be gathering momentum. Saying certain ppl are being interviewed is one thing to now start saying someone will be appointment in the next few days is a big change (unless of course you've got some inside info. nudge-nudge, wink-wink)
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It is intriguing stuff, but I still think they'll probably appoint soneone out of the blue, someone we have barely mentioned.
Given the uninspiring nature of those who have been mentioned I do hope you are right
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Guy, our recruitment policy for money spent has been average at best.
If you compare it to Houllier's whilst at Liverpool, MON's purchase history was superb.
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If this morning's press stories are correct and we are employing a 63 year old Frenchman with a history of health problems who has been out of club management for nearly four years then I for one am shocked and disappointed.
it would also spell the end of kevin Mac, as any manager worth his salt will not work with an assistant/co-manager that has been forced on them, as borne out by Houllier's joint role with Roy Evans, one of them had to go and it won't be the new guy.
Please let this not be true as if it is I fear we will be entering a real period of decline.
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Although I don't think Houllier would be a bad appointment, I have a feeling this process is going to rumble on for a fair while yet.
We keep hearing people are hot favourites to be appointed, then nothing happens for a few days and they start to drift.
It is intriguing stuff, but I still think they'll probably appoint soneone out of the blue, someone we have barely mentioned.
If reports are to be believed, it's just a case of Houllier talking it over with his family who understandably have concerns due to his history of health problems (and the fact he's crap in the transfer market).
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As an aside whatever happened to Jean Tigana, he was rated as the next big thing whilst at Fulham and then seemed to disappear of the face of the earth.
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Guy, our recruitment policy for money spent has been average at best.
If you compare it to Houllier's whilst at Liverpool, MON's purchase history was superb.
But at Lyon he brought in some very good players, so hopefully he has learnt.
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Guy, our recruitment policy for money spent has been average at best.
If you compare it to Houllier's whilst at Liverpool, MON's purchase history was superb.
But at Lyon he brought in some very good players, so hopefully he has learnt.
He also swapped Carew for Baros.
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If you don't mind me saying I think Houllier would be an excellent appointment. Vastly underrated manager, tactically spot on and builds good relationships with the players. If it wasn't for his heart problems he would have won the title with us and he'll give you a much better shot at breaking into the top 4 than O'Neil.
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True, but I still think Baros with his head in the right place is a good player. He did score some important goals for us and he has a great record in Turkey now.
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thanks reina , i hope your right mate!
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As an aside whatever happened to Jean Tigana, he was rated as the next big thing whilst at Fulham and then seemed to disappear of the face of the earth.
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Is now manager at Bordeaux. Which seems quite a big job given his only job since Fulham was 2 years at Besiktas.
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I get the impression we are trying to convince ourselves this would be a good appointment. £100m spent at Liverpool in a time when £100m was a shedload of cash and expected therefore to win the league and he didn't come close to it.
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I get the impression we are trying to convince ourselves this would be a good appointment. £100m spent at Liverpool in a time when £100m was a shedload of cash and expected therefore to win the league and he didn't come close to it.
They went close one season, 01/02 when Arsenal won it I'm sure they were in contention until last couple of weeks. There's no doubt they went backwards after that and he became a bit of a joke. I won't be entirely happy with him, in fact if it was one of our rivals appointing him I'd probably have a good laugh but we've got to try and pick out the positives.
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I think it could be a good appointment as long as everyone knows their roles. We all assume KM is going to be involved some how and that he wouldn't appreciate someone like Houllier butting in. For all we know KM could of spoken to randy and highlighted part of the job which his not looking forward to or not too shit hot at if he were to take on the role. Randy's solution to that could of been to bring in a DoF and allow KM to concentrate on what he does best.
Again this is assuming Houllier is coming in as a DoF and not a manager. We'll soon be finding out
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If you don't mind me saying I think Houllier would be an excellent appointment. Vastly underrated manager, tactically spot on and builds good relationships with the players. If it wasn't for his heart problems he would have won the title with us and he'll give you a much better shot at breaking into the top 4 than O'Neil.
Thanks Reina. Interesting to hear it from a Liverpool perspective. There seems to be concerns on the site about some of his transfers (altho he also seems to be credited with building your Champions League winning team under Benitez). What's your view on that?
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Avram Grant looks like he'l be available soon, maybe they are holding out for him ?
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to be honest, I would have been happy with Avram G at the start of the season, but he has hardly pulled up trees at West Ham as he?
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to be honest, I would have been happy with Avram G at the start of the season, but he has hardly pulled up trees at West Ham as he?
yes but he's working for the devils disciples, it cant be easy
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Avram Grant looks like he'l be available soon, maybe they are holding out for him ?
Is that a joke ?
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Guy, our recruitment policy for money spent has been average at best.
If you compare it to Houllier's whilst at Liverpool, MON's purchase history was superb.
But at Lyon he brought in some very good players, so hopefully he has learnt.
He also swapped Carew for Baros.
I wouldn't attribute any of Lyon's transfer activity to whoever happens to be the head coach at the time. That's all Aulas and Lacombe.
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Avram Grant looks like he'l be available soon, maybe they are holding out for him ?
Is that a joke ?
No, but this is,
Having sex is like playing Bridge, if you dont have a good partner, you'd better have a good hand
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SSN are saying its Houllier just now.
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Well then good luck Gerard I hope you can move us forward.
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Is something going on now?
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Is it definite?
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SSN yellow banner.
Sky Sources: Gerard Houllier to be offered Aston Villa managers job.
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yellow bar on SSN now
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SSN are saying its Houllier just now.
really? I am not near a tv... I guess that's it then?
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Having Houllier would be a bigger let-down than when Gregory was appointed.
It would be a bigger let-down than finding out your Mom is your sister.
A bigger let-down than finding out your Wife is your Mom.
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I might have a walk down the bookies and collect my winnings.
Not sure how I feel about this...
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Like I said if it's correct, hopefully his experience and knowledge of Europe will help us. Good luck Gerard, I believe he is still hungry and has a point to prove in the Premier League.
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Interesting.
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Having Houllier would be a bigger let-down than when Gregory was appointed.
It would be a bigger let-down than finding out your Mom is your sister.
A bigger let-down than finding out your Wife is your Mom.
I hope you're joking, seems like a decent appointment to me.
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Word of caution. It's not official and it is only saying that he has been offered the job.
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I agree Villadawg, but if it is the case I think it could be a good one. It would certainly be better than some of the options.
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Word of caution. It's not official and it is only saying that he has been offered the job.
That would indicate he is first choice and unlikely to turn down the chance? If he did, we'd be looking at Curbs!
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I think the only reason would be his family do not want to move from France
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Yep, look like it's confirmed now. I knew this on Thursday so i'm not really surprised but I think it's a relief now for the manager drama to be over and done with.
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He's a big name with a strong reputation, I am not disappointed. I would be more enthusiastic with a Moyes or Magath obviously but Houllier ain't bad. Could be the man to deliver some silverware in the nect couple of seasons as the likes of Young and Gabby approach their peak.
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I think the only reason would be his family do not want to move from France
He would have discussed and sorted these issues out before applying for the job.
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Could be worse.
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ITSOTB - in the suit, on the bench.
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I'm more pleased with this than the DoF possibility. Still not overly delighted as I feel the club could have showed a bit more nous and vision, and got completely suckered into this 'Premier League experience' myth, but as a short term appointment this could be fine. At least as manager rather than DoF there'll be a bit more clarity of ideas in our team selection and so on.
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Can't see there being a DoF if Houllier has been offered the role.
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absolutly brilliant appoitment!! just what we needed!!
i can see us challenging top 4 now!!
MON who???
Houlier has all my support and should get all of the support from every villa fan!!
Gerard Houllier's claret blue army!
Gerard Houllier's claret blue army!
Gerard Houllier's claret blue army!
Gerard Houllier's claret blue army!
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I think of the options likely available Houllier would be a good one. He has won plenty of trophies and hopefully he could bring that to Villa.
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Still unsure, but i'll be right behind him.
Seems like a decent bloke with a good character, unlike the snake who managed us previouly
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So it looks like it'll be someone who wasn't even an option on our poll. Can he sign Gerrard?
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I think Houllier would be a great appointment, if not for his record in the transfer market. He really did buy some absolute shit.
35 million on Hesky, Cisse and Diouf.
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think he'll do well for us,just hope the player revolt rumours arent true!!
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That was some years ago though, he may have learnt since then. Also in fairness Cisse was one of the most highly rated forwards in Europe and Heskey score 20+ goals in his first season for Liverpool.
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Lol, even the best managers spend money on shit.
Fergie - Veron
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Still unsure, but i'll be right behind him.
Seems like a decent bloke with a good character, unlike the snake who managed us previouly
I've been doing a lot of reading on Houllier. It went downhill after his illness, but things were going quite well up to that point. Like Wenger, he put a lot of time into the development of the academy and training ground for the club. The team had done well, but like Benitez he couldn't quite close the gap at the very top despite finishing 2nd a couple of years before his departure. My impression is that naturally football became secondary when you are trying to look after your health. He admits he made some poor decisions during that time. If he's healthy and I'm sure he'll be motivated, he would be good for Villa for a good number of years (he's 63, Fergie is almost 70). His job will be to look after the immediate but as importantly put in place some foundations to provide stability and continuity for years to come.
Like you, he'd have my full support.
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think he'll do well for us,just hope the player revolt rumours arent true!!
please tell me you don't believe a word of that utter bollocks of a story.
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As I say I think his motivation to prove a point could make he a fine appointment. I'd be happy with him and I think he could be very good for us.
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I've just had a text message from Sky sources saying Houllier will be manger in 2 days. Great......if correct - Can I get my money back on my ST if so???
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Bon chance Gerard..............let's get back to football and hammer Stoke now ffs
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Well, when you think about it, this HAS to be good for us.
A mature manager who is proven to win things.
It also don't think he will be a 'yes man' that some had feared.
I haven't checked, but I'd guess that L'Pool didn't finish outside the top 4 when he was there ?
And I would imagine he has assurances that money will be available
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Nice to see some people failing to give the man a chance.
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That's the spirit DB, give the guy a chance. Christ.
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think he'll do well for us,just hope the player revolt rumours arent true!!
please tell me you don't believe a word of that utter bollocks of a story.
Quite.
Utter shit stirring.
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I've just had a text message from Sky sources saying Houllier will be manger in 2 days. Great......if correct - Can I get my money back on my ST if so???
Bit dramatic DB, the bloke has knowledge, give him a chance.
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Exactly. I am happy and will give him a chance.
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I've just had a text message from Sky sources saying Houllier will be manger in 2 days. Great......if correct - Can I get my money back on my ST if so???
Bit dramatic DB, the bloke has knowledge, give him a chance.
Precisely my thoughts, I think he could potentially be very good. Also it's worth noting the Board have taken their time and I'm sure Houllier's plans for the club have impressed them. His knowledge of the European market is also something we sorely lack.
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I've just had a text message from Sky sources saying Houllier will be manger in 2 days. Great......if correct - Can I get my money back on my ST if so???
Bit dramatic DB, the bloke has knowledge, give him a chance.
Precisely my thoughts, I think he could potentially be very good. Also it's worth noting the Board have taken their time and I'm sure Houllier's plans for the club have impressed them. His knowledge of the European market is also something we sorely lack.
Good point Paul, players from Foreign Leagues were a no-no under bicycle face, we're missing opportunities there.
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wonder what kind of contract he'll be on...can we have some kind of clause whereby if he doesn't keep us in the top ten, we can amicably part ways at the end of the season...
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As a show of support for him, In true French fashion, I shall be rude and aloof to everybody I encounter at Villa Park.
I also intend to shout out random french words, 'Perrier', 'Weetabix' stuff like that.
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63, out of management for 4 years and out of English management for 8! Blatantly not a man manager- read Fowlers book (yeh, I know theres two sides to every story but sometimes you have to choose who you believe). I hope Im wrong but Im not happy, check out Jason Mcateer's quick interview on sky- doesnt want to slag him off but can't say anything positive! And maybe all those who are talking about his international transfer market knowledge need to look at his Liverpool buys because i dont think many were sold at a profit! Like I say, I hope Im wrong but.....
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He should have a contract till the end of this season.
Should have and will have are two differnt things, but he doesn't need the money and hence a payoff, and we need to make sure he's the right man.
At least he will look at foreign players, and further than Celtic, that's a massive upside.
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63, out of management for 4 years and out of English management for 8! Blatantly not a man manager- read Fowlers book (yeh, I know theres two sides to every story but sometimes you have to choose who you believe). I hope Im wrong but Im not happy, check out Jason Mcateer's quick interview on sky- doesnt want to slag him off but can't say anything positive! And maybe all those who are talking about his international transfer market knowledge need to look at his Liverpool buys because i dont think many were sold at a profit! Like I say, I hope Im wrong but.....
There are many players that would say the same things about MON.
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His record in management is pretty dam good so can't argue there. Worth a shot i recon.
I did get a text of a Liverpool mate of mine who just said "prepare to sign some shit young French lads".
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As a show of support for him, In true French fashion, I shall be rude and aloof to everybody I encounter at Villa Park.
I also intend to shout out random french words, 'Perrier', 'Weetabix' stuff like that.
will you also be going without washing or showering ?
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I've just had a text message from Sky sources saying Houllier will be manger in 2 days. Great......if correct - Can I get my money back on my ST if so???
Good lord that is a bit dramatic. What part of getting an experienced manager who has won stuff does not at the very least deserve a chance to see how things go. I can think of better managers that we might have tried to temp (and of course, we might have) but I can think of several managers we have been linked with who I feel would be far worse.
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I think Houllier would be a great appointment, if not for his record in the transfer market. He really did buy some absolute shit.
35 million on Hesky, Cisse and Diouf.
to be fair to GH...
Heskey was one of the hottest prospects in the prem when Liverpool got him, lots of clubs were chasing him.
Cisse was a decent buy, he was a good player and had a lot of bad luck with injuries.
Diouf looked superb at the world cup before they bought him, but he was a pony.
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As a show of support for him, In true French fashion, I shall be rude and aloof to everybody I encounter at Villa Park.
I also intend to shout out random french words, 'Perrier', 'Weetabix' stuff like that.
will you also be going without washing or showering ?
I'm off to buy myself a string of garlic as I type. I'm also going to grab myslef a beret and a stripey shirt, and grow a dodgy moustache. I will likely be investing in a new white flag.
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It could be that we're getting Houiller as manager until we can get someone like Jol in (maybe next summer), when Houiller would move up to director of football with responsibility for the youth system and such. I'd welcome that scenario.
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I don't agree with the short term approach, if the Board believe he is the right man for the job they should back him with a 3-4 year contract. I can't see any point in a short term deal at the moment.
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GH may end up having another heart attack when he see's Carew missing chance after chance in front of goal.
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GH may end up having another heart attack when he see's Carew missing chance after chance in front of goal.
Any more games like the Everton one and I'll be fearing for my health, let alone Gerard's.
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I think Houllier would be a great appointment, if not for his record in the transfer market. He really did buy some absolute shit.
35 million on Hesky, Cisse and Diouf.
to be fair to GH...
Heskey was one of the hottest prospects in the prem when Liverpool got him, lots of clubs were chasing him.
Cisse was a decent buy, he was a good player and had a lot of bad luck with injuries.
Diouf looked superb at the world cup before they bought him, but he was a pony.
All true but ultimately they were shit.
5 mill a piece on Igor Biscan and Salif Diao. Arsene Wenger he aint!
The thing is the consensus is that McDonald is a capable coach, but needs some help in the form of an experienced head, to guide him in other aspects. It is just a worry that his buys were less than inspiring.
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I think Houllier would be a great appointment, if not for his record in the transfer market. He really did buy some absolute shit.
35 million on Hesky, Cisse and Diouf.
to be fair to GH...
Heskey was one of the hottest prospects in the prem when Liverpool got him, lots of clubs were chasing him.
Cisse was a decent buy, he was a good player and had a lot of bad luck with injuries.
Diouf looked superb at the world cup before they bought him, but he was a pony.
All true but ultimately they were shit.
5 mill a piece on Igor Biscan and Salif Diao. Arsene Wenger he aint!
The thing is the consensus is that McDonald is a capable coach, but needs some help in the form of an experienced head, to guide him in other aspects. It is just a worry that his buys were less than inspiring.
No, he's no Wenger. But then Wenger has purchased some dross himself. And his record with buying goalkeepers must be amongst the worst out there. In fact when given a lot of money, Wenger has been really quite poor. His real skill has been finding raw talent and turning them into fabulous players before selling them on.
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SVC doesn't seem to think much of the (expected) Houllier appointment.
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To be honest, given his reputation in the game, which seems to be pretty high, I wouldn't be surprised at all ti see a couple of 'big name' signings. Hope so!
Anyway, if true (and I hope it is, really), then welcome Gerard, and good luck! I'm pretty optimistic about it, actually!
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I am firmly in the wait and see camp, i do not find GH inspiring and despite some very lucky cup runs his Lpool team were dull to watch. Considering who was available i guess Houlier is the best of a bad bunch.
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If collymore doesn't rate him , he must be ok then ! Stans opinion is hardly gospel, welcome gerard and good luck , he wasn't
my choice but as others as said it could be worse and its not kmac or bob Bradley.
I think the aim realistically must be top 6 to top 8 as we haven't done anything worthwhile regarding transfers. Just seen mcateer on sky spouting how o neill was a great man manager, utter bollocks.
He reckons houllier is a hugely defensive coach but we will wait and see.
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I am firmly in the wait and see camp, i do not find GH inspiring and despite some very lucky cup runs his Lpool team were dull to watch. Considering who was available i guess Houlier is the best of a bad bunch.
Me too, wait and see camp that is, although I had hoped for a more exciting and innovative option originally. One of my main worries with mon was the time he'd spent out of the PL, and Houllier is no different.
It will take him time to adjust, time I don't think we have to waste considering the major spend has been frittered away.
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If you don't mind me saying I think Houllier would be an excellent appointment. Vastly underrated manager, tactically spot on and builds good relationships with the players. If it wasn't for his heart problems he would have won the title with us and he'll give you a much better shot at breaking into the top 4 than O'Neil.
Thanks Reina. Interesting to hear it from a Liverpool perspective. There seems to be concerns on the site about some of his transfers (altho he also seems to be credited with building your Champions League winning team under Benitez). What's your view on that?
It's mainly based on his last couple of seasons when he went a bit loopy after his health issues. He really should have had 6 months off and then come back but he lost control and bought some expensive shockers like Diouf, Diao and Cisse. Before that he had his failures like any other manager but he'd built a strong foundation with shrewd sigingings like Babbel, Henchoz, Mcallister and Hyppia (who is undoubtedly one of the best signings the clubs has ever made taking into account fee and service) as well as making full use of the talent already available to him. Heskey turned into a big pudding but in the treble season he was unstoppable.
Maybe I'm being sentimental as I'll always respect him for what he did for us in the first part of his reign, but I just don't think you can argue with his record. He'll also command the respect of the players (well most of them) and will be able to attract better talent from abroad. In terms of the style of football, you will be organised but a lot more flexible than you were under MON, who I felt was a bit one dimensional.
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I really wish I could be as positive as most of you are but Im more with " Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?" - I think everyones trying too hard to find the silver lining- I can't help wondering , if the day Martin O' Neill left I had posted "Houllier for next boss"- would the reaction been as positive?
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i'm looking forward to having a foreign coach around Villa, different style of football i hope!!
he loves the playmaker player also so i'm sure Young will be in his element!
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If you don't mind me saying I think Houllier would be an excellent appointment. Vastly underrated manager, tactically spot on and builds good relationships with the players. If it wasn't for his heart problems he would have won the title with us and he'll give you a much better shot at breaking into the top 4 than O'Neil.
Thanks Reina. Interesting to hear it from a Liverpool perspective. There seems to be concerns on the site about some of his transfers (altho he also seems to be credited with building your Champions League winning team under Benitez). What's your view on that?
It's mainly based on his last couple of seasons when he went a bit loopy after his health issues. He really should have had 6 months off and then come back but he lost control and bought some expensive shockers like Diouf, Diao and Cisse. Before that he had his failures like any other manager but he'd built a strong foundation with shrewd sigingings like Babbel, Henchoz, Mcallister and Hyppia (who is undoubtedly one of the best signings the clubs has ever made taking into account fee and service) as well as making full use of the talent already available to him. Heskey turned into a big pudding but in the treble season he was unstoppable.
Maybe I'm being sentimental as I'll always respect him for what he did for us in the first part of his reign, but I just don't think you can argue with his record. He'll also command the respect of the players (well most of them) and will be able to attract better talent from abroad. In terms of the style of football, you will be organised but a lot more flexible than you were under MON, who I felt was a bit one dimensional.
Reina - that's a good assessment and where I stand also. Regarding transfers it's easy to concentrate on the poor ones, but as you mention he made some good ones at Liverpool also, and while at Lyon. Also, regarding players like Diouf, it's only in hindsight that he turned out to be bad. Correct me if I'm wrong be he was quite highly regarded at the time, but nobody really could have guessed he was going to turn out to be a nut. And you're right about Heskey. He was very good that season, but he's time has passed now.
My hope is that the appointment of Houllier not only brings us some much needed stability but allows us to develop the technical side of the game. We were quite predicatble under MON, and while effective against most teams it held us back taking that next big step forward. I hope that Houllier has learnt a lot since his departure from Liverpool and now has a number of new strings to his bow. He enjoyed a good spell at Lyon, and he must have made some great contacts in his current role with France which should benefit us. I hope Villa fans give him time to establish himself at the club, and build on the solid foundations that are already in place.
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Totally uninspiring, a decent manager but nothing special, perhaps he now matches our aims, we've gone from a team spending £20m net to a team banking £20m in the space of a year, is the first page of ceefax our target for the season.
I'm not about to start to send my season ticket back, I'll go to the cup games as they're priced quite reasonable but it's a distinctly average appointment.
I can't believe of all the managers in world football this is the best we can get.
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I don't agree with the short term approach, if the Board believe he is the right man for the job they should back him with a 3-4 year contract. I can't see any point in a short term deal at the moment.
There in lies the rub, imo. It wouldn't be surprising for the Board to believe that believe he is the right man for the job but with the caveat - "under the circumstances." I'm not convinced that if Jol or Moyes, Hiddink, Hitzfeld were chomping at the bit to move over to Villa, I doubt Hollier would even be in the picture. Having said that, I'll support in every way, Hollier's appointment.
By the way you're signature will be my new motto if Hollier is appointed "Give Quiche a chance" :D
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I'm told by several Liverpool fans, including someone who played under him, that until his illness he set Liverpool afire and did little wrong.
After his illness things went from bad to worse and admittedly his and Liverpool's performances deteriorated quickly, but he never looked well, all the time he was there.
Now evidently he's looking and feeling fit and well, and probably has plenty to offer, although I still say so long away from the Premiership means plenty, its changed dramatically since the days he and Liverpool did well.
Good luck to him if he gets the job.
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I think that based on end result against the outlay, GH's signing of Gary McAllister must be considered one of the past decade's best pieces of transfer business.
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I can't say I'm overly enthused about this. However, we have to get behind Gerard and the team now. Hopefully we start well under him and we get some positivity back around the football club.
Ps. If I'd been offered a swap towards the end of last season between Houllier and O Neil then I would have taken it. I'm so glad he buggered off.
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Ps. If I'd been offered a swap towards the end of last season between Houllier and O Neil then I would have taken it. I'm so glad he buggered off.
That would be a good poll question
I would, at the end of last season have thought there were far better choices available, perhaps there are not any more.
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At first I was gutted about this but then as I think more I do think he can do a job for us and I allways sort of liked him in interviews when he was at liverpool .
I think Randys chose him for his contacts and knowlege as much as his tactical skills.... will he bring phil eagle nose Thompson is as his right hand man tho please god no.....maybe we will get 1 or 2 exciting french prospects come january tho ....the new zidane or Henry will do nicely....Good luck gerard youll need it with us moaning fuckers haha you will be shot down quick enough
best of a bad bunch !
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Ps. If I'd been offered a swap towards the end of last season between Houllier and O Neil then I would have taken it. I'm so glad he buggered off.
That would be a good poll question
I would, at the end of last season have thought there were far better choices available, perhaps there are not any more.
Well if he'd done the decent thing and buggered off in May, we would have had a whole host of managers to choose from. Sadly he waited until August, leaving us with very little to choose from.
I think Houllier is just about the best we can do given the alternatives. I'd have preferred Jol but it was never going to happen after Ajax qualified for the CL. I'm just relieved it isn't a British meat-and-potatoes type manager, like Curbishley, Brown or Jewell. Hopefully we'll see a few things done differently over the next couple of years.
Welcome to the Villa and best of luck, Gerard!
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Cheers Reina, good stuff to hear.
Not my first, second or fifth choice. But decent pedigree, and I hope it works out for the best. If it's a short term deal initially with a view to extending that might be best for all concerned.
One thing I will say is I'd be happier to see GH picking the side than Kevin Mac playing a central midfield two of Ireland and Petrov.
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No=one wins the trophies he's won without having talent. But I am concerned about the style of football we're likely to see and his track record on transfers. Off the top of my head, I think his most expensive purchases would have been:
- Cisse (£14m?) - didn't work out
- Heskey (£11m?) - we know all about Emile's strengths and weaknesses!
- Diouf (£10m?) - good player, but never worked out
- Barmby (£8m?) - weak
- Biscan (£6m?) - terrible
- Hamann (£6m?) - very good
- Cheyrou (£5m) - awful
- Hyppia (£4m) - fantastic
The same list for MON at villa would look better than that imho - Milner, Downing, Young, Davies, Cuellar, NRC, Collins. A mixed, bag, but more in the way of successful attacking players, certainly. Houllier's attacking purchases don't seem to have come off (unless I'm missing someone)
And in terms of young players he brought over to revolutionise the set-up, there's only really Pongolle who has gone on to be a top flight player I think?
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Totally uninspiring, a decent manager but nothing special, perhaps he now matches our aims, we've gone from a team spending £20m net to a team banking £20m in the space of a year,
Hang about.
We've had no manager in place to spend any money.
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If it is to be Houllier I can't get very enthusiastic about the appointment, but most of us felt the same way about Ron Saunders in 1974 and he turned out to be our most successful manager ever. Let's hope Randy's made the choice that's right for Villa at this time and get behind the manager and the team.
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Totally uninspiring, a decent manager but nothing special, perhaps he now matches our aims, we've gone from a team spending £20m net to a team banking £20m in the space of a year,
Hang about.
We've had no manager in place to spend any money.
The question has to be why has it taken four weeks to get to this stage when none of the candidates are currently
employed by clubs
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Totally uninspiring, a decent manager but nothing special, perhaps he now matches our aims, we've gone from a team spending £20m net to a team banking £20m in the space of a year,
Hang about.
We've had no manager in place to spend any money.
The question has to be why has it taken four weeks to get to this stage when none of the candidates are currently
employed by clubs
How do we know that they did not try and get a manager currently employed and got turned down?
I am sure during the process they have looked at a number of options, but given the timing of O'Neill's departure then its probably been very difficult. They could have been in a position of hiring a manager who was doing the same as the reason they have got the hump with Martin and they would in essence be creating the same mess at another club, yes it is a dog eat dog world in football circles, but after being so badly burnt by Martin walking out with all of his staff in tow, I am sure they had reservations about a manager who was potentially prepared to do the same to another club.
I am firmly in the wait and see camp on this appointment. Lets get back to the football now and move on from managers and signings.
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Wasn't the reason MON quit because he wasn't being given the Milner money to spend, is money suddenly going to be available now we've got Houllier in charge.
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I was just reminded on 5 live about his '5 plus 5' rule. ie - never more than 5 players in front of the ball. He was a bit of a 4-4-2 merchant as well wasn't he? I could imagine Petrov and NRC, with Ireland competing for one of the wide midfield berths, until he gets any of his own signings in.
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I was just reminded on 5 live about his '5 plus 5' rule. ie - never more than 5 players in front of the ball. He was a bit of a 4-4-2 merchant as well wasn't he? I could imagine Petrov and NRC, with Ireland competing for one of the wide midfield berths, until he gets any of his own signings in.
Two things on that: firstly, his 5+5 rule was totally misinterpreted and is actually that you should always have 5 players ahead of the ball, a very attacking philosophy developed by Arrigo Sacchi at Milan; secondly, he played 4-4-2 when it was still viable in England, and even then it was more of a 4-2-3-1 with Heskey dropping deep and Owen running beyond. When he went to Lyon he played a more creative 4-2-3-1 which was nearly impossible in England when he was managing here owing to referee's standards of what a foul is. It's changed a little in favour of creative players these days, and I'd be very surprised to see anything but 4-2-3-1 until January at least.
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Wasn't the reason MON quit because he wasn't being given the Milner money to spend, is money suddenly going to be available now we've got Houllier in charge.
I suspect there was no money for MON to spend, that doesn't mean there isn't money for a new manager. I believe (like us fans) Randy was sick of giving MON money to buy players and then stick them on the bench or out of position. Time will tell
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Wasn't the reason MON quit because he wasn't being given the Milner money to spend, is money suddenly going to be available now we've got Houllier in charge.
Well as the window is now closed I would expect he will take time to assess his squad then get rid of the players he does not want in Jan 2011.....He at a guess may be given £5m and whatever he makes from his sales. One thing is for certain all you Heskey haters, people who boo him when he warms up at VP had better get used to him being in the team
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On the one hand Spangley, he did sign Heskey, but he also sold him.
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On the one hand Spangley, he did sign Heskey, but he also sold him.
I didnt know that but he cant sell him for 4 months can he......but he also swopped Carew for Baros
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On the one hand Spangley, he did sign Heskey, but he also sold him.
I didnt know that but he cant sell him for 4 months can he......but he also swopped Carew for Baros
Again, no he didn't, Aulas and Lacombe have full control of transfers at Lyon. Houllier had a very limited role indeed in transfers.
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Wasn't the reason MON quit because he wasn't being given the Milner money to spend, is money suddenly going to be available now we've got Houllier in charge.
My understanding is that there will be funds available to the new manager in January.
I also understand that O'Scumbag left because he was asked to reduce the wage bill, nothing to do with the Milner cash.
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I am disappointed that so far we have not managed to appoint Carlos Coachalotti or Jeurgen Van der Trainer to appease the masses!
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One thing is for certain all you Heskey haters, people who boo him when he warms up at VP had better get used to him being in the team
I've got no time for Heskey at all, but i'd never dream of booing him.
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Wasn't the reason MON quit because he wasn't being given the Milner money to spend, is money suddenly going to be available now we've got Houllier in charge.
My understanding is that there will be funds available to the new manager in January.
I also understand that O'Scumbag left because he was asked to reduce the wage bill, nothing to do with the Milner cash.
I understand MON left as he didnt want to sell Milner, he did not want Ireland and he was told on that fateful monday he wasnt getting any of the £18m from the Milner deal. Since he left the club, they have added to the wage bill by resigning Marshall when we have 2 good young goalie's who are better than Marshall anyway so the club cant be that bothered about the wage bill. Having said that they are not paying MON and his 5 staff so that will save some money
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Well The General stated that the Milner money was NOT held back from MON, so I can only take him at his word.
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I can't see any reason why the General wouldn't be honest about that, because it'd be fairly obvious with any new manager if they weren't being given any money.
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I thought the problem was down to the waste of wages not getting near the team.
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Well we will see in January wont we as too how much is spent......until then If Gerard is the man lets get behind him
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I thought the problem was down to the waste of wages not getting near the team.
So why pay Marshall's wages.................he wont get anywhere near the team
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I thought the problem was down to the waste of wages not getting near the team.
So why pay Marshall's wages.................he wont get anywhere near the team
Marshall isn't on anywhere near what Sidwell, Davies, Beye and Shorey were on.
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GH would be a little left-field and a little safe. Perfect well-balanced appointment or a bland, tepid mixture? Results will tell.
I'm pretty open minded about it all so feeling positive mainly because, as others have posted, he seems an honourable bloke and that's important I think.
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We need someone who can stabilise us that he can do that.
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Let's see what some Liverpool fans think...
Link (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=262853.0)
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Good news for the Hotel du Vin.
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I think we've done alright there.
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We need someone who can stabilise us that he can do that.
We're not in some crisis or total turmoil, we've lost a manager who had lost his hunger for the job.
The squad is hardly choca block with players, so if we get rid of Beye and Davies and replace them with cheap French versions everything in the garden will be rosy will it ?
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There are few in the running that are better qualified and managers by and large appears to get better as they get older these days. He said his signings were not great towards the end of the Liverpool job, so happy to give him a shot. He is a big, big name in world football, players will want to play for him and in the circumstances it is a very different, interesting appointment.
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Considering some of the names mentioned it could be a hell of a lot worse. I dont think his teams have played football as turgid as MON had us playing the last few seasons. It was so uninspiring watching us under him. Give him a go I say. Whats the worst that could happen , he could sign Heskey again.....ah bollo***
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The difficulty in judging the boards decision (assuming confirmation next week) here, is simply that we are not in possession of all the facts.
In other words, we don't know for sure who wasn't interested in the job or whether Lerner/Faulkner were refused permission to speak to a particular candidate by their employers.
If the choice was Hiddink, Moyes, Hitzfeld and Houllier they've fucked up.
If the final pool was narrowed down to Curbishley, Klinsmann, Koeman and Houllier then I wouldn't argue with their pick.
Hardly inspiring but a safe pair of hands.
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If you don't mind me saying I think Houllier would be an excellent appointment. Vastly underrated manager, tactically spot on and builds good relationships with the players. If it wasn't for his heart problems he would have won the title with us and he'll give you a much better shot at breaking into the top 4 than O'Neil.
Thanks Reina. Interesting to hear it from a Liverpool perspective. There seems to be concerns on the site about some of his transfers (altho he also seems to be credited with building your Champions League winning team under Benitez). What's your view on that?
It's mainly based on his last couple of seasons when he went a bit loopy after his health issues. He really should have had 6 months off and then come back but he lost control and bought some expensive shockers like Diouf, Diao and Cisse. Before that he had his failures like any other manager but he'd built a strong foundation with shrewd sigingings like Babbel, Henchoz, Mcallister and Hyppia (who is undoubtedly one of the best signings the clubs has ever made taking into account fee and service) as well as making full use of the talent already available to him. Heskey turned into a big pudding but in the treble season he was unstoppable.
Maybe I'm being sentimental as I'll always respect him for what he did for us in the first part of his reign, but I just don't think you can argue with his record. He'll also command the respect of the players (well most of them) and will be able to attract better talent from abroad. In terms of the style of football, you will be organised but a lot more flexible than you were under MON, who I felt was a bit one dimensional.
Thanks Reina really appreciate your feedback - I'm putting you forward as the best un-official Heroes & Villains Counsellor 2010!! God knows we need regular counselling on here (also swap counselling with therapy)
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Talksport:-
TalkSPORT understands Gerard Houllier has held discussions with Aston Villa regarding their managerial vacancy.
Villa chairman Randy Lerner wants an experienced boss to take over following Martin O’Neill’s resignation last month and Mark Hughes, Alan Curbishley and David Moyes have all been linked with the job permanently.
French football correspondent Phillippe Auclair confirmed the current situation on Football First saying: “I spoke to Gerard this afternoon and on the record he confirmed that there had been contact with Aston Villa and himself at the club’s behest and that yes, they were interested in hiring him as a manager
“It seems that it’s not a done deal there are other candidates for the job and I don’t think there will be a decision taken in the next 24 to 48 hours as we thought originally. It’s going to take a little bit longer than that so we might have to wait until Thursday or Friday before we know who is the new Aston Villa manager.
Auclair added: “This offer comes at a time when he has had enough of the criticism he has been taking in France for his role or non-role in the debacle of the World Cup and he is basically looking to get away from this.”
“He loves English football he genuinely has a passion for English football it’s the football he feels closest to. He feels that he really belongs here and this is his proper football home rather than France.
Nothing much really I think there is going to be more discussion but I don’t think anything is going to happen before the middle of the week at the earliest.
Since O’Neill’s departure reserve-team manager Kevin MacDonald has been temporarily at the helm leading the team to two wins in three Premier League games.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/9555/exclusive-aston-villa-managerial-situation-be-resolved-week
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I think the powers that be have let the Curbishley and KMac names slip and now Houllier has come to the fore we think its better.
For me the best available manager nobody has yet mentioned is Martin O'Neill. There I've said it.
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I think the powers that be have let the Curbishley and KMac names slip and now Houllier has come to the fore we think its better.
For me the best available manager nobody has yet mentioned is Martin O'Neill. There I've said it.
U are a sick man.
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lovejoy please you sound like another media brainwashed oneil fan.he did a good job but he spend 120 million,yetr he moaned about a small squad but he didnt play the squad system despite he signed most of them
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
I won't even say that's simplistic. There isn't a word for what that argument is.
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I'd rather have Barry Fry as DOF with Paul Tait as his coach than have O'Neill back.
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I'd rather have Barry Fry as DOF with Paul Tait as his coach than have O'Neill back.
So would Luke Young.
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
I don't think it is as simple as that even that idiot O'Leary managed a top six finish and he spent nowhere the amount MON did.
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
I won't even say that's simplistic. There isn't a word for what that argument is.
Trying to base the relative success of a manager on the objective rather than the subjective doesn't meet your approval?
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
I won't even say that's simplistic. There isn't a word for what that argument is.
Trying to base the relative success of a manager on the objective rather than the subjective doesn't meet your approval?
Yes let's be objective and support the idea of a team that collapses every March. Let's support the idea of a team that gets knackered after 70 minutes of kick and rush football.
I would honestly rather see a team that finishes a few places lower but plays decent football than a few more years of that. There. I've said it.
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
I won't even say that's simplistic. There isn't a word for what that argument is.
Trying to base the relative success of a manager on the objective rather than the subjective doesn't meet your approval?
It doesn't matter if you think MON is the best man for the job - he bailed on us at the worst time possible, and that is why we're in the situation we are now, with all the accompanying problems (lack of available candidates, managers unwilling to leave clubs three weeks into the season etc etc).
I keep saying this, but to listen to some people on here, you'd think we'd sacked O'Neill, not that he was the one who bailed on us.
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
I won't even say that's simplistic. There isn't a word for what that argument is.
Trying to base the relative success of a manager on the objective rather than the subjective doesn't meet your approval?
To assume that our club's success is totally independent of the success of other, wealthier clubs is incredibly simplistic.
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For me the best available manager nobody has yet mentioned is Martin O'Neill. There I've said it.
In football the saying is: `never go back'.
But I say: `never come back, four eyes.'
There I've said it.
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
Taking into account the loss of our best player and the close-season strengthening of our rivals I doubt even Martin would have matched last years finish so its probably not a fair benchmark.
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I think Houllier will do a good job, and was an inspired choice by our board in the circumstances.
I was a staunch defender of MoN, even if I was not very excited by his appointment, and I think he did a good job, by and large.
There, I've said it.
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I was worrying during the summer that Bob Bradley would come in, so I can't be unhappy with Houllier.
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We won't forget that Martin let an 8 point gap to Arsenel slip, it's not even like we had Europe to distract us, because he gave that up, he then lost an even bigger lead over Everton slip to finish 6th.
So to finish 6th from such a strong position is closer to failure than success, especially as there was no rich man city or Harry inspired spurs competing.
If we got 6th again that would eclipse anything Martin did due to the current competiveness
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Let's see what some Liverpool fans think...
Link (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=262853.0)
I feel quite a bit more confident after reading that. I'd say that 75% of them are pro "Ged" (as they call him). The main thing they seem to give him credit for is "dragging the club into the 21st century". Any idea what century villa are operating in. With the new Bodymore Heath I'd imagine we're already there, yet I would not have MON down as a pioneering manager in this regard.
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According to Sky sports Houllier has been offered the job.
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No way?
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lerner is on the wind up
Houllier??? bloody has been!!!
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I was just reminded on 5 live about his '5 plus 5' rule. ie - never more than 5 players in front of the ball. He was a bit of a 4-4-2 merchant as well wasn't he? I could imagine Petrov and NRC, with Ireland competing for one of the wide midfield berths, until he gets any of his own signings in.
Having just read a Lyon blog, he appears to be very conservative, strong defence with a very defensive midfield, even though he always plays 4-3-3 that can switch to 4-5-1. He will rotate the squad and is not afraid to upset anybody. The time to get nervous will be in January.
Not the most exciting appointment, hopefully it will be a two year contract but I'll be wishing him the best of luck, should the rumour be confirmed.
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lerner is on the wind up
Houllier??? bloody has been!!!
You only just heard that Houllier is linked with the job?
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The general Liverpool opinion seems to be this....
"Behave, the UEFA cup and the FA Cup are both major honours. Leading a team that had not won had won a two cups in the previous decade and leading them to three cups in one season was a great achievement. He dragged the club into the modern age of football. He instilled discipline. He made the City Arms, Cardiff our second local and you ask any of the lads bevvied in Dortmund or who sang his name non-stop for the entire second half at Boavista and you'll get the same answer.
He made us proud to be reds again."
However, a lot do acknowledge that he wasn't the same man after his heart attack. If he is back to full health, Randy may well have pulled a masterstroke!
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Let's see what some Liverpool fans think...
Link (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=262853.0)
I wish you hadn't posted that link:
I know loads of Reds who hated Houllier before he left and that had nothing to do with Rafa. Loads of Reds still hate him now, which I find sad. When you ask why it’s partly because of his style of football and tactics, partly because of his lack of success post-2002, partly because of the awful signings he signed in the summer before the 2002-03 season which obviously played a big part in that and partly because of his pathetic excuses, his perceived arrogance and spiral into paranoia. He was a Liverpool manager who the vast majority of Reds wanted gone by 2004, far more so than Rafa, in fact far more so than any manager since Souness. By the end of his reign very few thought his firing was a bad move. Many wanted him gone the year before.
However, I hold no ill will towards him, despite his character flaws, his bitterness towards Rafa’s success, his questionable treatment of certain players (Fowler, Litmanen, Heskey, Gary Mac etc), his attempt to claim credit for Istanbul and his bizarre spats with players such as Ginola, which are irrelevant to us. I hope he does well at Villa, and I wish him well generally. Just wish he had a bit more class.
But he was not a great Liverpool manager, not by a long stretch, and any attempt to portray him so is simply wrong. Managers like Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish etc were amazing managers, great managers. Rafa was arguably a great manager, for his European Cup triumph, taking us to another CL final, his title challenge, his league finishes and two record point hauls. Ged? He was a good Liverpool manager who enjoyed very good early success, then lost the plot. 2000-2002 was very good, we looked a force again. But we never reached the summit of either domestic or European football during his time here, and never really looked like doing so. Maybe we expected too much after 2001. His health problems certainly affected him. But he never delivered a title challenge, and never delivered success in the European Cup, bar one good run when he wasn’t in direct charge. He was far from great.
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some of the comments about him at lpool, lyon and france being timid and conservative when under pressure in terms of tactics and substitutions are very worrying.
i also have a problem with his affinity with liverpool , i have serious reservations but beggars cant be choosers we are stuck with a limited selection, it could have been a lot worse but if MON had gone at the end of last season it might have been better
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Anyone who can get Heskey to score 22 goals in a season , is a genius in my book..
If MON was in charge this season the whole team might have struggled to score 22 goals...
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OK we've finished 6th for the last three years. if we finish lower let agree that I'm right and if we finish higher I agree that you're right.
Taking into account the loss of our best player and the close-season strengthening of our rivals I doubt even Martin would have matched last years finish so its probably not a fair benchmark.
And in all likelihood, MON knew it too, which is one of the reasons he ducked the challenge. He was going to get found out, good and proper.
GH isn't the manager we all thought we had the power to attract, but he's certainly no mug, he has trophies to his name and a wide network of contacts in Europe and beyond. I'd hope he will be an improvement on the former incumbent.
If his appointment is confirmed, it's time to get behind him 100 percent, because we have a tough season ahead of us, largely thanks to Martin O'Weasel's poor timing and, it has to be said, piss, piss-poor regard for our club and its fans.
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You have to have some sympathy for Lerner stuck between a rock and a hard place, lets face it whoever he appoints it will not make eveyone happy.
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From the Express:-
GERARD HOULLIER WILL CONSIDER PHIL THOMPSON REUNION
GERARD Houllier will consider reuniting with former Liverpool assistant Phil Thompson when he completes his return to English football with Aston Villa in the next 48 hours.
Thompson was Houllier’s No2 at Anfield during his six-year reign and is set to move to the Midlands club with the Frenchman. Villa are on the verge of appointing Houllier as Martin O’Neill’s permanent replacement.
He is expected to be offered a traditional managerial type of role, but caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald, who is popular with the players and has chairman Randy Lerner’s support, is likely to stay at the club and could still have a role with the first team. Houllier, who turned 63 last week, refused to be drawn on the subject of the Villa job when questioned after attending Jamie Carragher’s testimonial at Anfield on Saturday.
He left Liverpool six years ago and has been employed as his country’s technical director since parting company with Lyon in 2007, but he has come under fire after France’s disappointing World Cup.
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God it really is mental season. Phil Thompson was a decent coach with deep connections to his club. Kevin MacDonald is an excellent coach with deep connections to his club. It is totally illogical just to think that, because Houllier once had Thompson as number 2, that he automatically takes him everywhere with him like MON and Robertson. I didn't see 'Thommo' rolling up in Lyon.
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Let's see what some Liverpool fans think...
Link (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=262853.0)
I wish you hadn't posted that link:
I know loads of Reds who hated Houllier before he left and that had nothing to do with Rafa. Loads of Reds still hate him now, which I find sad. When you ask why it’s partly because of his style of football and tactics, partly because of his lack of success post-2002, partly because of the awful signings he signed in the summer before the 2002-03 season which obviously played a big part in that and partly because of his pathetic excuses, his perceived arrogance and spiral into paranoia. He was a Liverpool manager who the vast majority of Reds wanted gone by 2004, far more so than Rafa, in fact far more so than any manager since Souness. By the end of his reign very few thought his firing was a bad move. Many wanted him gone the year before.
However, I hold no ill will towards him, despite his character flaws, his bitterness towards Rafa’s success, his questionable treatment of certain players (Fowler, Litmanen, Heskey, Gary Mac etc), his attempt to claim credit for Istanbul and his bizarre spats with players such as Ginola, which are irrelevant to us. I hope he does well at Villa, and I wish him well generally. Just wish he had a bit more class.
But he was not a great Liverpool manager, not by a long stretch, and any attempt to portray him so is simply wrong. Managers like Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish etc were amazing managers, great managers. Rafa was arguably a great manager, for his European Cup triumph, taking us to another CL final, his title challenge, his league finishes and two record point hauls. Ged? He was a good Liverpool manager who enjoyed very good early success, then lost the plot. 2000-2002 was very good, we looked a force again. But we never reached the summit of either domestic or European football during his time here, and never really looked like doing so. Maybe we expected too much after 2001. His health problems certainly affected him. But he never delivered a title challenge, and never delivered success in the European Cup, bar one good run when he wasn’t in direct charge. He was far from great.
Errr, isn't that your opinion rather than what s said on the link? I read the same link and I was actually more confident as I thought the majority held him in pretty decent regard. Certainly better than most ex villa mangers. I'd compare him to maybe Little in the sense that most (imo) still liked the bloke.
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If we get him does it mean we're stuck with Heskey?
My Liverpool supporting mate said he he had a very good relationship with certain key players - Carragher, Fowler and Gerrard for example. Apparently in some of those players auto-biogs they say maybe he was too friendly to them when at times they needed more of a disciplinarian. Also, it's said he came into the dressing room after the game in Istanbul to congratulate the players? Don't know if that's true but I can't imagine how Rafa would have reacted to that.
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Let's see what some Liverpool fans think...
Link (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=262853.0)
I wish you hadn't posted that link:
I know loads of Reds who hated Houllier before he left and that had nothing to do with Rafa. Loads of Reds still hate him now, which I find sad. When you ask why it’s partly because of his style of football and tactics, partly because of his lack of success post-2002, partly because of the awful signings he signed in the summer before the 2002-03 season which obviously played a big part in that and partly because of his pathetic excuses, his perceived arrogance and spiral into paranoia. He was a Liverpool manager who the vast majority of Reds wanted gone by 2004, far more so than Rafa, in fact far more so than any manager since Souness. By the end of his reign very few thought his firing was a bad move. Many wanted him gone the year before.
However, I hold no ill will towards him, despite his character flaws, his bitterness towards Rafa’s success, his questionable treatment of certain players (Fowler, Litmanen, Heskey, Gary Mac etc), his attempt to claim credit for Istanbul and his bizarre spats with players such as Ginola, which are irrelevant to us. I hope he does well at Villa, and I wish him well generally. Just wish he had a bit more class.
But he was not a great Liverpool manager, not by a long stretch, and any attempt to portray him so is simply wrong. Managers like Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish etc were amazing managers, great managers. Rafa was arguably a great manager, for his European Cup triumph, taking us to another CL final, his title challenge, his league finishes and two record point hauls. Ged? He was a good Liverpool manager who enjoyed very good early success, then lost the plot. 2000-2002 was very good, we looked a force again. But we never reached the summit of either domestic or European football during his time here, and never really looked like doing so. Maybe we expected too much after 2001. His health problems certainly affected him. But he never delivered a title challenge, and never delivered success in the European Cup, bar one good run when he wasn’t in direct charge. He was far from great.
Errr, isn't that your opinion rather than what s said on the link? I read the same link and I was actually more confident as I thought the majority held him in pretty decent regard. Certainly better than most ex villa mangers. I'd compare him to maybe Little in the sense that most (imo) still liked the bloke.
No, that was the most comprehensive comment on there (Page 3). Lot's of one line comments saying they hate him, mainly due to some comment he made about Benitez, a few grateful for what he did in getting the side whereby they could move on to greater things, almost all agreeing he was never the same and seemed to lose it after his heart attack.
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Strange, I read it differently. However, I'll concede that a lot hated him due to his Benitez comments, (which seemed foolish/bitter to say the least) however I ignored them as I considered the reaction was a political thing (see Cahill on H&V for similar...) rather than an objective opinion.
I must admit that I hope that his appointment is a short term thing. Not entirely sure why, however I just cannot see him hanging around long. The "match" does seem right for me, whereas ironically, I thought MON and Villa seemed to work.
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lerner is on the wind up
Houllier??? bloody has been!!!
You only just heard that Houllier is linked with the job?
I can't see O Neill leaving, to be honest.
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I wonder now if randy regrets the fact that he didn't sack o neill in may -that's what should gave happened, as it was pretty clear to most that things were not right between them from o neills body language and interviews.
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lerner is on the wind up
Houllier??? bloody has been!!!
You only just heard that Houllier is linked with the job?
I can't see O Neill leaving, to be honest.
no, i heard about 5 days ago like everyone else, but i thought it was just random paper talk and now it is becoming more and more likely
i am gutted
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I'm not. I think it's a decent appointment.
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I'm not. I think it's a decent appointment.
I'd be pretty happy, especially considering some of the crap we've been linked with.
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Can anybody re-assure me that the bloke who told me that Staunton's comin as a number two is talking out of their ..... well, their 'Staunton'.
I don't want that greedy twat anywhere near my football club thank you very much.
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Houllier for a season would be good. See how he does, if we regress, replace with someone younger, fresher, and more readily available. His style of football may not have been massively popular in Liverpool, but its gonna be a damn site better than O Neills kick and run tactics.
Of all the options that are realistic right now, it's one of the better. Why not? K Mac doesn't have the experience to steady the ship and try to match what we've done previous years. Hope he gets a coaching role, because he knows the club inside out, and it'd make perfect sense.
At the very least Houllier is a big name, and it shows a little ambition. We could have made a rush appointment like Curbishley.
We'll see, there may be another twist in the saga yet.
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At the very least Houllier is a big name, and it shows a little ambition. We could have made a rush appointment like Curbishley.
I aint being funny mate but do you really think a Houllier appointment shows ambition?
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Phil Thompson number 2?
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I still believe that Curbishley was interviewed and his name subsequently leaked with the sole intention making Houlier look like a far more attractive proposition.
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At the very least Houllier is a big name, and it shows a little ambition. We could have made a rush appointment like Curbishley.
I aint being funny mate but do you really think a Houllier appointment shows ambition?
A bit. Same as Sven would have, though I'd have preferred the barmy Swede. In terms of what's out there.
Though I suppose if we were being really ambitious we'd be buying out someone else manager. The only problem there is, the good ones will be at good clubs and be hard pushed to come to us.
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I'm actually worried sick about us getting this appoinment right!
Since The Doctor, Ron, Brian Little walks on water, Sir Graham, MON and even DO'L; only the JG appointment didn't feel right for us.
Not one person linked with us is ticking my boxes I'm afraid. Wouldn't it just be fantastic if Randy really pulled one out of the blue. :)
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I like what Jason McAteer had to say about Houllier on SSN in that some players are in for a shock if he comes and they wont have it as easy as they did under ONeill, Music to my ears as i think after all this mess this is what we need he is a tough disciplinarian on the training ground who wont accept players giving less than a 100% Big JC may finally get his act together or be shipped out !
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I'm actually worried sick about us getting this appoinment right!
Since The Doctor, Ron, Brian Little walks on water, Sir Graham, MON and even DO'L; only the JG appointment didn't feel right for us.
Not one person linked with us is ticking my boxes I'm afraid. Wouldn't it just be fantastic if Randy really pulled one out of the blue. :)
I don't think SGT 2nd time here was the right choice.
I'm coming round to Houllier being a good appointment.
Unless he thinks about it and decides to turn it down.
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i thought he was coming as a Manager but according to alot of the press it will be a director of football kinda role with KMac also working within the 1st team somehow!
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im really starting to come round to the idea...
having seen a few liverpool fans views over at the likes of rawk, etc, apart from the ones who dont like him for what he said about ginola (?) and benitez, most seem to have very fond memories of him, especially for progressing them in terms of league placings and trophies, and also with their training...
this season aside, as for me, it will be transitional season due to the purposeful timing of o'neill chucking his toys, if he can steady the ship, and then as i mentioned, help bring in his european scouting contacts and knoweldge and contacts at the clairefontaine academy, then that can only help us in the long term...
bad football aside, as we are used to that under o'neill, if he can get results and move us further than 6th and a cup run or two, then he will be considered a success.. and with his age and health issues, then i cant see it being a long term appointment, and if he can leaves us in a stronger position than when he arrived, like he did with liverpool (not expecting the same amount of trophies etc), but as long as he can leave us in a stronger position both on and off the pitch than when he arrived, then job done, and maybe then, we can bring in someone younger and more exciting, like a martin jol, etc...
the timing of o'neill jumping ship, really did make this hunt even harder than it would have been had he had the decency to leave at the end of last season... so for that, houllier really wont be a bad appointment...
i am not jumping for joy, however, by simply having a european scouting system, then that will improve us off the pitch instantly...
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Considering who was available I think Houllier is probably the best bet as manager, but I will be irridescant with rage if he brings that big-nosed cockmeister bigot Phil Fuckin' Thompson with him.
There are rumours beginning to emerge that he's resigned from Sky.
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a scouse loving shit talking bellend he may be, but he did a good job while at the bin dippers... especially during houlliers health issues...
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Considering who was available I think Houllier is probably the best bet as manager, but I will be irridescant with rage if he brings that big-nosed cockmeister bigot Phil Fuckin' Thompson with him.
There are rumours beginning to emerge that he's resigned from Sky.
Yikes.
I suppose it's unfair to judge him on the basis of his punditry but he always comes across as a bit of a chump. Houllier will surely want his own men who he knows he can trust but it does cast doubts on MacDonald's future role.
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Yikes.
Shaggy from Scooby Do?
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If houllier feels more comfortable with thommo at his side then so be it, I'm sure kmac can return to his old job and hold his head high , the main thing is that houllier has staff around him he knows work well with him.
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I've said my piece on Houllier in another thread, which ended in a 'he deserve a chance' conclusion, but bring big nose with him would be a huge tick in the minus column he'd quickly need to recover from!!
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Shaggy from Scooby Do?
Yeah, I'd prefer him to Phil Thompson!
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So, houllier plus thompson then, with KM back to managing the stiffs?
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If Staunton's let anywhere near my football club again I shall be requesting a personal letter of justification from The General.
As for thommo - well I hate him so I guess that as I hate fergie and wenger that shouldnt neccessarily be a bad thing.
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Bloody hell, I have just put 2 and 2 together and probably come up with 7 but, if 'Sky sources' yesterday were suggesting Houllier, then were the 'sources' Thompson, given that he works there ?
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I actually would support the appointment more if he bought Thompson in. The man knows what success is about and is the type of guy to get into the players - a bit like Pat Rice at Arsenal. He also has a bit of a sense of humour which is also needed at a club.
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I really don't see what problem people have with Staunton? If he has his badges then lets try. What harm can it do? I also think Kev can be a coach as well. If Staunton can get the lads showing passion like he used to then I'll be happy
I personally hate Thompson but hey ho, We just gotta go with it now and see what happens, Be nice to see a few loan signings. Let him get his old mate Cisse.
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not gotta worry about staunton now, it gonna be fucking thompson !!!!!!!! i have never seen that prick say a good word about villa when on soccer saturday !!!!!
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If Staunton's let anywhere near my football club again I shall be requesting a personal letter of justification from The General.
As for thommo - well I hate him so I guess that as I hate fergie and wenger that shouldnt neccessarily be a bad thing.
Why do dislike Staunton so much??
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GH, Thommo, Steve Staunton, K Mac...... I would like to see a couple of foreign coaches aswell thrown into the mix.
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not gotta worry about staunton now, it gonna be fucking thompson !!!!!!!! i have never seen that prick say a good word about villa when on soccer saturday !!!!!
I'm sure he won't get us relegated on purpose.
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The game's all about opinions PMK - I have actually heard him praise us on a number of occasions - and I also remembering him nearlycoming when we got back into the game at Chelsea - 4-4.
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I don't want that fcuk Steve Staunton anywhere near our club. He is abysmal.
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I actually would support the appointment more if he bought Thompson in. The man knows what success is about and is the type of guy to get into the players - a bit like Pat Rice at Arsenal. He also has a bit of a sense of humour which is also needed at a club.
Jim Davison also has a sense of humour. Doesn't mean it's a good one and he's not still a prick.
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I actually would support the appointment more if he bought Thompson in. The man knows what success is about and is the type of guy to get into the players - a bit like Pat Rice at Arsenal. He also has a bit of a sense of humour which is also needed at a club.
Jim Davison also has a sense of humour. Doesn't mean it's a good one and he's not still a prick.
That is rather obtuse. Firstly, Thommo is more of a comedian than Davidson. Second, Davidson has never won the League and Europena Cup twice.
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Colley has said on sky it will be Thompson as assistant manager, emphasis on the word will and not might!
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Let's not judge Thompson on his awful hysterical punditry on Sky Sports
'HE'S BOO-KED HIM JEFF, HE'S BOO-KED HIM!'
If Houllier thinks he's the man for the job, then fair enough.
Wish they would hurry up and announce it, so I can collect my winnings.
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The whole thing has become very very very depressing......!!!
The thought of Houllier and Thompson....would rather have Laurel and Hardy, Laverine and Shirley, Jake and Elwood....I could go on!!!!
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would rather have oleary and dr venglos in charge
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The game's all about opinions PMK - I have actually heard him praise us on a number of occasions - and I also remembering him nearlycoming when we got back into the game at Chelsea - 4-4.
Not a great thing for those who sit right behind the dugout!
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would rather have oleary and dr venglos in charge
You sound like my 3 year old son when he can't get what he wants.
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The game's all about opinions PMK - I have actually heard him praise us on a number of occasions - and I also remembering him nearlycoming when we got back into the game at Chelsea - 4-4.
Not a great thing for those who sit right behind the dugout!
Surely the 4th official, the subs and the winger and left/right back would be in more danger - depending on his projection strength of course.
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would rather have oleary and dr venglos in charge
You sound like my 3 year old son when he can't get what he wants.
I can't believe after that comment you'd give him such high praise Mark.
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Houllier and Thompson. Never in a million years did I think/want RAL would go for them. Obviously RAL is an astute judge of character and has a good business brain. He also had the benefit of the face to face interview process with all the candidates.
That said, I can't help but feel totally underwhelmed right now.
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would rather have oleary and dr venglos in charge
You sound like my 3 year old son when he can't get what he wants.
I can't believe after that comment you'd give him such high praise Mark.
I'm in a good mood TV, I'm good at handling tantrums to boot.
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The game's all about opinions PMK - I have actually heard him praise us on a number of occasions - and I also remembering him nearlycoming when we got back into the game at Chelsea - 4-4.
Not a great thing for those who sit right behind the dugout!
Surely the 4th official, the subs and the winger and left/right back would be in more danger - depending on his projection strength of course.
I was more coming (*giggle*) from the perspective of having to watch it, but you're right!
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Pleased, annoyed or sitting on the fence.
Can we just wait and see what they can do for us before writing them off as a complete waste of space?
The mantra from me is let's just hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Welcome Gerard and Phil.
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http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0,23791,16426_6359083,00.html
Something to make you feel better....
They say it is a very good appointment (as long as it is as manager) and that he did some brilliant work pre illness at Liverpool. They also mention that he looks very well at the minute.
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Provided security is lapse at BH this afternoon I'm hoping to sneak into
the reserve team fixture with Blackpool - if KMac is in charge then
things will be a bit clearer (than mud) -
On the Pinocchio rumour - I hope Randy knows what he's doing because
this Houllier DOF business could backfire dramatically -
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I don't mind uncle Ged, but phil thompson can fuck right off!
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I don't mind uncle Ged, but phil thompson can fuck right off!
THANKYOU !! well thats two of us :-)
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It says everything about modern life that someone's ability and experience in a job can be outweighed by not fukkin liking them in a TV programme.
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Have to admit I'm a little underwhelmed by the thought of Houllier + Thompson, but sincerely hope they will prove me wrong if/when appointed.
By the same token I was ecstatic with the appointment of MON and after his first 2 seasons I felt increasingly deflated and frustrated.
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a win away at Stoke in his first game and we'll all soon be excited.
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Some of you don't seem to know the difference between opinion and personal abuse. I'm sure if I were Houllier or Thompson just having a little look at what the fans think on what is an open site, I'd be less than impressed by some of the crude 'opinions' on here, based on very little research. Thankfully these are more than countered by posters with a bit more integrity and realisation that replacing a management team is not an easy job.
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I gotta say that the more I think about this, the happier I am with it. I don't think it's a particularly sexy appointment and I certainly don't think that it is the type of appointment which is likely to start off a dynasty of footballing achievement (I think he'll be gone somehow or another in four years). However, I do think he has enough about him to win something at Villa - and it's been too long since we've won something, even a League Cup.
As a team we're not far off being good enough to seriously go for fourth position in the league as well, and I think we already have the players to play Houllier's favoured 4-5-1 system, and I believe it will actually suit us very well. I'm also hopeful that Houllier can just give us a bit more strength in depth and build on what is already here. We're not a bad footballing side and we have players who can hurt teams, and I think with a bit of luck we might even be able to do something this season despite the upheaval at the moment. We probably won't go playing flowing Arsenal-eque football, but I think Houllier will very quickly make sure that we won't roll over for anybody and give everyone a hard game - really I think that's all we can hope for from this season.
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From paper talk of Toshack possibly resigning, why not go the whole hog and have a full Liverpool contingent?
GH as DOF, Toshack as Manager, Thompson as assistant
Whatever happened to Steve McMahon as a manager? Oh, and there's always John Barnes!
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Not overly excited but not disappointed either. As a team they have a good record and have room to keep Mcdonald in the fold as well.
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It says everything about modern life that someone's ability and experience in a job can be outweighed by not fukkin liking them in a TV programme.
It's almost as absurd as disliking someone on the basis of the team they support.
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I'm following SSN for any news update. Nothing so far. I'm feeling increasingly like sleeping with a prostitute or making a compensation claim, though.
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No problem with Houllier and Thompson. Throw in a long-overdue overhaul of our scouting structure, headed by someone with some real clout in UEFA circles, and I'd say that the silver lining on O'Neill's 5-days-to-go shitcloud is pretty decent.
Perhaps we might finally stop being invisible outside of England and Celtic.
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I'm not sure how Houllier / Thompson meet the General's criteria of understanding the importance of the Villa job and knowing what it means to wear the claret and blue shirt. Thompson particularly has always struck me as someone who is interested in Liverpool first and everything else is a distant second, if it registers at all.
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I'm following SSN for any news update. Nothing so far. I'm feeling increasingly like sleeping with a prostitute or making a compensation claim, though.
It's that psycho Bill Bailey-looking double-glazing salesman which takes the biscuit for me, it's like watching LiveTV again
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It says everything about modern life that someone's ability and experience in a job can be outweighed by not fukkin liking them in a TV programme.
We're not all that shallow Dave, it's got nothing to do with his TV rantings, it's his big conk that puts me off.
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I'm not sure how Houllier / Thompson meet the General's criteria of understanding the importance of the Villa job and knowing what it means to wear the claret and blue shirt. Thompson particularly has always struck me as someone who is interested in Liverpool first and everything else is a distant second, if it registers at all.
Well Thompson will be Houllier's choice not Randy or The General's but anyway, I think you are taking The General's words too literally. I don't think they wanted some massive Villa fan, just someone who understands that Villa are a huge and very historic club with ambitions to get back amongst the very best.
Houllier must have impressed in his interview that he understands this very well.
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I'm not sure how Houllier / Thompson meet the General's criteria of understanding the importance of the Villa job and knowing what it means to wear the claret and blue shirt. Thompson particularly has always struck me as someone who is interested in Liverpool first and everything else is a distant second, if it registers at all.
If he can bring that passion to us then I'm sure they'll do a good job
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I'm not sure how Houllier / Thompson meet the General's criteria of understanding the importance of the Villa job and knowing what it means to wear the claret and blue shirt. Thompson particularly has always struck me as someone who is interested in Liverpool first and everything else is a distant second, if it registers at all.
Well Thompson will be Houllier's choice not Randy or The General's but anyway, I think you are taking The General's words too literally. I don't think they wanted some massive Villa fan, just someone who understands that Villa are a huge and very historic club with ambitions to get back amongst the very best.
Houllier must have impressed in his interview that he understands this very well.
and I'm sure Thompson knows enough about us and our history etc.
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Well Thompson will be Houllier's choice not Randy or The General's but anyway, I think you are taking The General's words too literally. I don't think they wanted some massive Villa fan, just someone who understands that Villa are a huge and very historic club with ambitions to get back amongst the very best.
Houllier must have impressed in his interview that he understands this very well.
Well he said it, not me. And it appeared to be genuinely important to him. Frankly, I thought it was all a bit incidental anyway. Like others have said, if Houllier and Thompson come in and do a good job, personally I couldn't give two fucks whether their hearts are really in Liverpool or not. Thinking about it, part of Houllier's may actually be there.
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From paper talk of Toshack possibly resigning, why not go the whole hog and have a full Liverpool contingent?
GH as DOF, Toshack as Manager, Thompson as assistant
Whatever happened to Steve McMahon as a manager? Oh, and there's always John Barnes!
Saw David Fairclough in his garden yesterday - he was on his mobile - do you think Thommo was phoning him to offer him a position at VP? ;)
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Saw David Fairclough in his garden yesterday - he was on his mobile
I bet he's on the Orange network?
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The only way Houllier could possibly succced is if he brings his own men in, like Thompson, what it means for Kevin McDonald I guess we'll soon find out.
Having Tommo there at least will mean we get cut a bit of slack from Stelling and the boys, not that that matters at all.
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It says everything about modern life that someone's ability and experience in a job can be outweighed by not fukkin liking them in a TV programme.
It's almost as absurd as disliking someone on the basis of the team they support.
Who dislikes who because of the team they support?
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I quite like the thought of Thompson teaming back up Houllier.
I have always found him to be very passionate in everything he says and that can only bode well for spirit within the club.
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Saw David Fairclough in his garden yesterday - he was on his mobile
I bet he's on the Orange network?
Spitting coffee on keyboard moment !!! - Nice one mate !
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I quite like the thought of Thompson teaming back up Houllier.
I have always found him to be very passionate in everything he says and that can only bode well for spirit within the club.
Deserves a chance more than anything.
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What are the odds on little Sammy lee as 1st team coach? Now hodgsons at anfield Sammy may get the call to complete the trio who had success together at Liverpool! I welcome GED and his staff to our club and I hope they have a long and successful spell here .
As for kmac he had the chance but performances under him were very poor after west ham and I hope he goes back to reserve coach- maybe his kind words about mon did him no favours either!
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Anyone else absolutely brickin it?
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GH, in my opinion, would be an ok appointment - not as good as Moyes or Jol but better than some of the other rubbish we have been linked with. However, I am a bit concerned about his previous tactical record - a little over defensive for my liking - and I'm not convinced he is that good in the transfer market. Considering, pre liverpool, he had such a huge role in the French youth setup his young french buys were far from successful while people like Wenger manager to pick up little gems everywhere.
All in all, a reasonable appointment but nothing to get too excited about. Will leave in 30months following midtable mediocrity.
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Anyone else absolutely brickin it?
No. I'm sick of this summer. Absolutely sick of it and want to put it behind us. We won't finish in the second half of the table under Houllier. We can only improve from here.
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i have calmed down now, and if lerner and co want houllier and thompson there is jack shit we can do about it " even though we spend hundereds of our hard earned cash on the club" so all we can do is get behind them, give them our support and hope for the love of god things go well
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We can only improve from here.
Did we drop to the bottom of the league when I wasn't looking?
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Considering who was available I think Houllier is probably the best bet as manager, but I will be irridescant with rage if he brings that big-nosed cockmeister bigot Phil Fuckin' Thompson with him.
There are rumours beginning to emerge that he's resigned from Sky.
Actually, it's Sky I don't like, he can't help the way he speaks about the club he loves and lets that myopic vision cloud his statement on every other club in the world. Why can't Sky see the value in employing people who can make well-observed, rounded, fair and objective statements and opinions about football, rather than those they have?
Anyway, if he pitches up at B6 as the number 2 he'll get my support.
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We can only improve from here.
Did we drop to the bottom of the league when I wasn't looking?
I'm referring to the chaos that has been this summer. Thought I had explained that pretty clearly. Obviously not. I will have to explain statements more simply in the future.
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I don't mind if Houllier is appointed manager, any other type of role for him will be just fcuking around. A director of football appointment will be wishwashy bullshit that will backfire.
Unlike our ex manager, Houllier has actually won a few cups and championshionships (in a credible league)as opposed to MON, an over inflated sense of himself based on a two horse race in Scotland, a league cup and a loss in a UEFA cup final. MON is a good manager, but he is not as good as he thinks he is.
We need someone to stabilise things, a rookie like KMAC managing with Houllier looking over his should will make more problems than it solves.
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Have you all read Brad Friedel's biography? Has Mr Lerner? Brad despises Phil Thompson, so it does not seem possible they could work together. "I'm not sure what happened to him when he gave up playing. He changed from a guy who believed he was destined for great things into a coach who maintained a negative disposition.... Thompson would rant when things went wrong...it had an adverse effect on most of the players." (pages 183-4.)
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Oh well, Friedel is old anyway, he's only got another season left in him ;D
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He is starting to make mistakes. You can see that his age is catching up on him.
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we are all in this together , please lets get behind gerard and thommo and give them our full support and backing , they are coming to our club and they want to succeed as much as we want a successful aston villa - lets put personal feelings to one side and enjoy the journey and see where they take us!
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we are all in this together , please lets get behind gerard and thommo and give them our full support and backing , they are coming to our club and they want to succeed as much as we want a successful aston villa - lets put personal feelings to one side and enjoy the journey and see where they take us!
Agreed
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He is starting to make mistakes. You can see that his age is catching up on him.
That will be the same Brad that kept us in front in the Everton game I presume !?
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Did I say he makes mistakes in every game?
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Although this pairing does not get me excited. This pairing have had success at a high level and i am also hoping for some over seas players to give us more technical type football ...............
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Friedel is still top class in my eyes.
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I quite like the thought of Thompson teaming back up Houllier.
I have always found him to be very passionate in everything he says and that can only bode well for spirit within the club.
Agreed. Thompson is extremely enthusiastic about the game and will bring some much needed energy to the club, especially on a day to day basis which I'm sure the players will appreciate. He also achieved great results with Liverpool when Houllier was ill. I really think he'll thrive on the opportunity and will give it his all. Both he and Houllier will be out with the squad every day at Bodymoor Heath which will help a great deal.
I'm assuming that Kevin MacDonald is going to be made first team coach which if so, raises one or two questions about tactics. Houllier is very much defence minded, likes his team very well organised yet I see MacDonald having a more expressive approach. I'm not to sure how well they will work together. It may turn out we benefit from the best of both worlds or it could be conflictive. One thing is for certain, we'll remain a very hard team to beat but hopefully we'll also find that missing link where by we can win the midfield battle and go on to win games, rather than backs to the wall and hoping to steal a victory on the counter attack.
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who will be plan B if GH decides he doesn't want the job, or his missus decides he can't have the job because of his health and she doesn't want to live in the UK ?
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He's bound to have spoken to his family by now about these issues.
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Don't feel comfortable with GH at all.
Hopefully, it is just one/two years appt and give the spot to KM when he is ready.
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Don't feel comfortable with GH at all.
Hopefully, it is just one/two years appt and give the spot to KM when he is ready.
K-Mac is now 48 and been coaching for well over a decade. If he's not ready now he never will be.
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we are all in this together , please lets get behind gerard and thommo and give them our full support and backing , they are coming to our club and they want to succeed as much as we want a successful aston villa - lets put personal feelings to one side and enjoy the journey and see where they take us!
I agree with this, but it's a bit rich coming from someone as anti-MON as you were.
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we are all in this together , please lets get behind gerard and thommo and give them our full support and backing , they are coming to our club and they want to succeed as much as we want a successful aston villa - lets put personal feelings to one side and enjoy the journey and see where they take us!
I agree with this, but it's a bit rich coming from someone as anti-MON as you were.
I should'nt worry too much , he'll probably change his mind/view in a couple of days or so.
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Is it now a requirement, that to be a Villa fan and to wish the new regime well, that you must have loved the Blessed O'Neill ?
Oh and if that comment winds anyone up, tough shit, get out your hankies and have a little cry.
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we are all in this together , please lets get behind gerard and thommo and give them our full support and backing , they are coming to our club and they want to succeed as much as we want a successful aston villa - lets put personal feelings to one side and enjoy the journey and see where they take us!
And of course we will get behind them. Doesn't mean we can't express our feelings away from the pitch.
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Have you all read Brad Friedel's biography? Has Mr Lerner? Brad despises Phil Thompson, so it does not seem possible they could work together. "I'm not sure what happened to him when he gave up playing. He changed from a guy who believed he was destined for great things into a coach who maintained a negative disposition.... Thompson would rant when things went wrong...it had an adverse effect on most of the players." (pages 183-4.)
If Friedel feels he just cannot work with Thompson then we'll lose an ageing goalkeeper, we should be able to replace him with someone just as good.
I've not heard any other whispers about Thompson being difficult to work with so maybe they just clashed.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/7984779/Gerard-Houllier-appointment-held-up-by-hitch-over-Aston-Villa-caretaker-Kevin-MacDonald.html?
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so we are just waiting to see if Houllier wants the job now, before it can be annouced.
i remember the stick KMac got when he didnt know whether he wanted it or not.
if he's got any sort of nagging doubts, Family or otherwise, then at his age its not going to work when the pressure hits home
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As much as KM is valued by us and the club, the manager shouldn't be forced to work with people that he feels uncomfortable with, or where there may be some tension. Imagine having to work with someone that got a job that you wanted. Unless some clear parameters are set, then it's going to be a difficult situation. I hope, I think as we all do that there is a good resolution to all of this, because KM has been brilliant for Villa for so long. Ultimately the manager has to be able to do his job with the people he knows will carry out his instructions. Anything less, and it becomes an unneccessary distraction. We've had enough of those this season.
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As much as KM is valued by us and the club, the manager shouldn't be forced to work with people that he feels uncomfortable with, or where there may be some tension. Imagine having to work with someone that got a job that you wanted. Unless some clear parameters are set, then it's going to be a difficult situation. I hope, I think as we all do that there is a good resolution to all of this, because KM has been brilliant for Villa for so long. Ultimately the manager has to be able to do his job with the people he knows will carry out his instructions. Anything less, and it becomes an unneccessary distraction. We've had enough of those this season.
Totally agree with that, Also agree with this bit The club’s owner Randy Lerner appreciates the work that MacDonald has put in since filling the breach on O’Neill’s departure, but the American has decided that MacDonald does not have the global profile required to manage a club of Villa’s stature, preferring instead Houllier’s record with Liverpool, and his extensive contacts in the game.
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Tried to read the RAWK board this afternoon to see what they thought of GH
I'm not fluent in scouse so most of it made little or no sense - but the jury on GH seemed to be:
on one side - he saved the club from the turmoil Souness / Evens (even though he was part of the original dream ticket) left them in and restored them to somewhere close to where they felt they belonged - competing and winning things even though he didn't manage to win the PL. They felt he went downhill after his illness and never recovered - and that Thompson was largely responsible for managing the team - but all in all this side of the fence was happy with him and felt he had done a very good job by and large.
the other side - essentially the devotees of the FSW couldn't see past his comments that the FSW had won the CL with a squad (GH's squad) he inherited and therefore did not deserve any credit. Clearly blasphemy in the church of the FSW - and so he was branded a twat forever.
The main worry though was there seemed to be unanimous agreement that his tactics were defensive and towards the end consisted of choosing defenders, not on their ability to defend, but by who could lump the ball the farthest - essentially the tactic was hoof it to Heskey as fast as possible and hope the Owen could clear up whatever shit Heskey could come up with.
Sounds a bit MoNesque to me - except without the Owen bit, leaving us with lump it to Heskey, then defend the throw in/goal kick after he inevitably falls over and the ball hits him somewhere (unless it hits him in the gonads - in which case rejoice as he's scored, that bit of him is lethal - see Rapid)
Really hope we don't get more hoof ball - wouldn't say GH would have been my first choice - but when you consider what we nearly got (or indeed might get if he decides to stay in France) it could have been worse.
UTV
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Yes I wanted o neill to go and have done for some time, his tactics, favourites, selections and style of football showed me he had taken us as far as he could- I am delighted he's gone and I hope houllier will do much better , I'm sure he will do.
I was fully behind o neill for the 1st two years until serious cracks appeared , I don't see why wanting o neill to go has any bearing on me giving GED and thommo my full support.
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Wouldn't read RAWK. Full of empty headed dreamers.
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Wouldn't read RAWK. Full of empty headed dreamers.
Eh?
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Is it now a requirement, that to be a Villa fan and to wish the new regime well, that you must have loved the Blessed O'Neill ?
Oh and if that comment winds anyone up, tough shit, get out your hankies and have a little cry.
Maybe cut down on the steroids for a while.
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Wouldn't read RAWK. Full of empty headed dreamers.
Eh?
RAWK is similar to bluemoon with the exception posters on bluemoon are wayyy more obsessed with United than people on RAWK are. Oh, and most posters on bluemoon want Mancini fired after they lose.
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Wouldn't read RAWK. Full of empty headed dreamers.
Eh?
RAWK is similar to bluemoon with the exception posters on bluemoon are wayyy more obsessed with United than people on RAWK are. Oh, and most posters on bluemoon want Mancini fired after they lose.
I see
Thanks, A bit like Villa tlk then ;)
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Wouldn't read RAWK. Full of empty headed dreamers.
Eh?
RAWK is similar to bluemoon with the exception posters on bluemoon are wayyy more obsessed with United than people on RAWK are. Oh, and most posters on bluemoon want Mancini fired after they lose.
I see
Thanks, A bit like Villa tlk then ;)
VT was alright, but you can't say boo without being suspended or warned. Some right stuck up ****** as well.
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Wouldn't read RAWK. Full of empty headed dreamers.
Eh?
RAWK is similar to bluemoon with the exception posters on bluemoon are wayyy more obsessed with United than people on RAWK are. Oh, and most posters on bluemoon want Mancini fired after they lose.
I see
Thanks, A bit like Villa tlk then ;)
VT was alright, but you can't say boo without being suspended or warned. Some right stuck up c***s as well.
True, dat. There are some right losers on that forum, it seems like if you have a different opinion to the majority they'll act real macho on teh interwebz by name calling.
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Never been on it but I think it would be hard to get a better supporters website than this whatever the team, this site Is well run and everyone gets to express and debate a whole variety of issues.
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I hope KMac finds a role in the new set up, but I agree about he shouldn't be forced on the new manager as an assistant.
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Kev was a caretaker, he has done a fantastic job but no-one promised him the job full time
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5 Live has just been talking about us. They have been told it will be confirmed on Thursday and their understanding is the delay is over who comes in alongside Houllier and what role Kev Mac gets. If Thomson does come will Kev be another coach or go back to his "old" job.
Apologies if alraedy posted, haven't read the last feqw pages.
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Fucking Gerard fucking Houllier.
What a fucking let-down.
I'll support the team down the ground no matter who is in charge, but the appointment of him is a joke.
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I've just had a text message from Sky sources saying Houllier will be manger in 2 days. Great......if correct - Can I get my money back on my ST if so???
Let me know if you can please.
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I'm happy with the appointment, think he's a good manager who'll do a good job and keep us ticking over for a while until the new man becomes available.
But my problem with it is it's a bit of a small time appointment. We've appointed someone who no one else wanted. Would Spurs have done the same if Redknapp left tomorrow?
After Jol they poached Ramos from Sevilla and then Redknapp from Pompey. Different levels of success but they got a trophy and 4th place out of 'em.
I'm willing to give Houllier a go, but is he the man to break us into the top 4? I just wish we'd shown a bit more balls and gone all out for Moyes.
I'm still hopeful a younger target (Moyes, McLaren, Billic) will be appointed when they become available.
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Fucking Gerard fucking Houllier.
What a fucking let-down.
I'll support the team down the ground no matter who is in charge, but the appointment of him is a joke.
Won shedloads at Liverpool and Lyon.
What is the problem? I'm not over the moon with it but considering the circumstances it's pretty decent.
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If someone would've told you this time last year that Gerard Houllier would be Villa manager in a years time you would have laughed so much it would've hurt.
Instead, I will now be crying, not laughing.
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Fucking Gerard fucking Houllier.
What a fucking let-down.
I'll support the team down the ground no matter who is in charge, but the appointment of him is a joke.
Won shedloads at Liverpool and Lyon.
What is the problem? I'm not over the moon with it but considering the circumstances it's pretty decent.
I don't know why, but I expected/hoped for so much more.
I'd now consider us a laughing stock.
Winning the league, 3 years ago, in France seems about as tough as winning it in Scotland.
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Fucking Gerard fucking Houllier.
What a fucking let-down.
I'll support the team down the ground no matter who is in charge, but the appointment of him is a joke.
Sorry ridiculous, his record is fine and his knowledge of Europe is excellent.
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Fucking Gerard fucking Houllier.
What a fucking let-down.
I'll support the team down the ground no matter who is in charge, but the appointment of him is a joke.
Won shedloads at Liverpool and Lyon.
What is the problem? I'm not over the moon with it but considering the circumstances it's pretty decent.
I don't know why, but I expected/hoped for so much more.
I'd now consider us a laughing stock.
I'd now consider us the same club I supported this time yesterday, last week and last month.
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Fucking Gerard fucking Houllier.
What a fucking let-down.
I'll support the team down the ground no matter who is in charge, but the appointment of him is a joke.
Won shedloads at Liverpool and Lyon.
What is the problem? I'm not over the moon with it but considering the circumstances it's pretty decent.
I don't know why, but I expected/hoped for so much more.
I'd now consider us a laughing stock.
Winning the league, 3 years ago, in France seems about as tough as winning it in Scotland.
I wouldn't, most see it as a decent appointment if we can put up with his style of football.
He knows the league, and Lyon have gone backwards since he left despite throwing loads of money at it, so it can't have been that bad...
Even if you discount the quality of the league (comparsions to Scotlands are way off the mark IMO), you can't deny what he's won before hand.
And then you've got to take into account the position we were thrown in by MON's departure date.
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Have we ever attracted a manager who has been able to boast of winning so many trophies?
No. Thought not!
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Never been on it but I think it would be hard to get a better supporters website than this whatever the team, this site Is well run and everyone gets to express and debate a whole variety of issues.
It's had a few twats in the past but has been twat free in recent months. Apart from the odd ITK twat, but it's even worse on other sites for that.
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The fact is if he wins a tenth of what he's won in his career he'd be considered a Villa legend.
He's coming out from a cushy and presumably well paid job in his homeland whilst semi-retired to put his reputation on the line to manage us. Give the man a chance.
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The fact is if he wins a tenth of what he's won in his career he'd be considered a Villa legend.
He's coming out from a cushy and presumably well paid job in his homeland whilst semi-retired to put his reputation on the line to manage us. Give the man a chance.
Very good assessment JJ.
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After a summer of absolute turmoil brought about by Martin O'Neill leaving the club five days before the season (Reasons for this still not clear but have been discussed to death). No signings bar Stephen Ireland entered the club during the summer and we lost one of our star men from last season. So all in all pretty rank summer.
We are now sitting 4th in the league having won 2 and lost one, we are out of the europa league. In the next few days we are going to potentially see the appointment of european manager for the first time since Dr Jo. This could be a disaster after all he has been out of the game for a number of years and had a bad time of it at Liverpool towards the end, he may bring in Phil Thompson who some people do not like. He did make some terrible signings in his time at Liverpool and some of his tactics were negative in the extreme.
But taking all of that into account, we are going to have a manager of pedigree who has won the league in France, finished 2nd in the premier league, won a european trophy, won the FA cup (something which has alluded Villa since 1957) and brought home the league cup in the same season, albeit 9 years ago. So as silver linings go in spite of the circumstances of the long summer of 2010 we are now starting afresh.
As for Martin O'Neill I thank him for what he did but he is gone now, it is the next chapter in the Villa story, for those who praise Martin they must be pleased he built a good squad, for those who disliked Martin's methods, you must be glad there has been a change, so if both sides of the divide can come together and recognise we now must move on.
Lets start again and get behind the team and manager and see what the future holds.
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Your 'power of positive thinking', whilst admirable, if having no effect on me.
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I was in the MON camp, right to the end. He done a good job, then for some unknown reason left us. I'm not happy with the way he left. We have to move on.
I was delighted we got him when we did, his record was good but most important his reputation was immense.
Now though if we do get Gerard, on paper his record is far superior to MON's, its only his reputation (in this country) which isn't. As we have found out, reputations do not count for much.
This to me the more I think about it, and hear what the people in the game, what Liverpool fans have to say is a even bigger coup than when Aston Villa employed MON four years ago.
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I don't think it matters who we got in, Some people would complain regardless.
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The fact is if he wins a tenth of what he's won in his career he'd be considered a Villa legend.
He's coming out from a cushy and presumably well paid job in his homeland whilst semi-retired to put his reputation on the line to manage us. Give the man a chance.
Spot on mate.
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Have we ever attracted a manager who has been able to boast of winning so many trophies?
No. Thought not!
That's the thing.
MON. Won two minor trophies with an English club. Won league titles in Scotland.
Houllier. Won major trophies with Liverpool. Won league titles in France.
Houllier offers absolutely everything MON offered when he became our manager, and more. Yes, he's been out of the game (in terms of management) for a while, but then again, so had MON been.
Houllier isn't the most exciting appointment, but in the context of the shitty situation MON's departure left us in, he is about the best appointment we could make.
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Debatable, but it's far from demoralising.
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End of the day, if O'Runner had done the decent thing and resigned in late May/early June, then Mark Hughes would've been available for appointment and we could've had a decent nibble at either Jol or Moyes.
Does anyone really think Jol would at this moment in time walk away from a champions league group with Real Madrid and AC Milan in it/ Does anyone really think no matter how much we offer Everton Moyes will just decide to walk away from Everton?
The timing of the previous manager leaving always made this a tricky time to appoint a new boss. I would say Houllier's a decent next summer/18 months transitional manager to have, keep us competitive in the top half and in the cups.
Then next summer if Jol or Moyes come onto the market, I'd expect us to thank Gerard for his service, pay him up and go for one of them. If not, then I would be disappointed in Randy, not now.
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I agree with PhilGibson - good piece that.
For all those not willing to give the new appointees a chance - who on earth do you think we should be bringing in?
I am really beginning to despair at some of the posters on here and VT - some really have delusions of grandeur.
I have been lucky enough to witness us winning the League, European Cup and a few League cups - but that has been it, spanned over a period of nearly 50 years. Whilst I am extremely glad to boast to all and sundry that I am a Villa fan I am realistic enough to realise we are not the biggest club in the country, our attendances are fairly average considering the size and catchment area of Birmingham, and several more clubs can boast greater recent histories than ourselves.
Of course I would to see us top of the pile, however you don`t always get what you want in this world.
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That's the thing.
MON. Won two minor trophies with an English club. Won league titles in Scotland.
Houllier. Won major trophies with Liverpool. Won league titles in France.
Houllier offers absolutely everything MON offered when he became our manager, and more. Yes, he's been out of the game (in terms of management) for a while, but then again, so had MON been.
Houllier isn't the most exciting appointment, but in the context of the shitty situation MON's departure left us in, he is about the best appointment we could make.
On that basis, surely Eriksson would be a better appointment. In terms of trophy count he's far beyond O'Neill or Houllier and he has not been out of top flight management for six years. Yes he comes with baggage but Houllier brings with him the health issue.
Houllier isn't the worst appointment we could make, not by a long way, but I don't see it's possible to say he's the best. We're offering him a lucrative ticket out of the 'where are they now' file, and I hope he makes full use of it. But given how long he has been out of English football, and given that his best season was 10 years ago, it is hope, rather than expectation.
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From what I can see, Sven has a far better reputation, standing and achievements list than Houllier has.
But they certainly have the same footballing attributes, just Sven's are more impressive and relevent for us. Houllier is a poor mans Eriksson imo.
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My liverpool supporting mate emailed me today, said:
be prepared for lots of post-match interviews where Houllier cites all the stats about shots on goals and posession superiority, despite the fact that you have spent the game knocking long balls into Heskey, been clearly outpassed and created a few half chances.
Probably harsh, but I'm not expecting it to be any more entertaining than it was under MON. Which isn't to say he won't get my support.
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im so upset about this, gututed, was so looking forward to a new manager to take us forward, but we end up with a 63 year old manager who hasnt managed a club in the premier league in 6 years ( and who swapped JC for milan baros, lol )
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Oneil took us over at a bad time, got given a load of money and got us to 6th in the league with a carling cup final. The new manager whoever it is going to be, Needs to achieve more than that or we're not going in the right direction.
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That's the thing.
MON. Won two minor trophies with an English club. Won league titles in Scotland.
Houllier. Won major trophies with Liverpool. Won league titles in France.
Houllier offers absolutely everything MON offered when he became our manager, and more. Yes, he's been out of the game (in terms of management) for a while, but then again, so had MON been.
Houllier isn't the most exciting appointment, but in the context of the shitty situation MON's departure left us in, he is about the best appointment we could make.
On that basis, surely Eriksson would be a better appointment. In terms of trophy count he's far beyond O'Neill or Houllier and he has not been out of top flight management for six years. Yes he comes with baggage but Houllier brings with him the health issue.
Houllier isn't the worst appointment we could make, not by a long way, but I don't see it's possible to say he's the best. We're offering him a lucrative ticket out of the 'where are they now' file, and I hope he makes full use of it. But given how long he has been out of English football, and given that his best season was 10 years ago, it is hope, rather than expectation.
What has Sven ever achieved while managing an English club, other than a massive pay packet?
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Is he my first choice? No. Do I support the appointment. Yes.
I see Houllier as a football man. Simple as that. He's not a talking head. He wants to get things done. I see him as a bona fide winner. He will have an expectation that Villa perform and win. I also think that he's not just an old dinosaur coach incapable of understanding the modern game. I bet he's more current in game strategy and tactics than MON because he's been following the world game more so than MON. The fact that he wants to leave a nice safe well paid job to manage again means he has a fire and a hunger to compete.
When he is officially appointed I will firmly enlist in his claret and blue army.
Hip Hip Houllier! Hip Hip Houllier! Hip Hip Houllier!
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What has Sven ever achieved while managing an English club, other than a massive pay packet?
Eriksson has had one season in the Premier League. One.
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He did so well at Man City in that one season (best league placing for umpteen years) that the players threatened to strike when they found out he was leaving.
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The problem with Sven is he's got one eye on the door before he starts his first day at work.
Besides anyone who watched the inept Ivory Coast performance in the World Cup, and read about the catastrophic effort he made of the Mexico job, should be very wary of the man. And lets not even start on Notts County.
The man's an opportunist, and I'd be deeply unhappy if he was Villa manager right now.
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The man's an opportunist, and I'd be deeply unhappy if he was Villa manager right now.
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't; what's not in doubt is that he has a more impressive career CV than Houllier or O'Neill. Or Alan Curbishley, for that matter.
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He did so well at Man City in that one season (best league placing for umpteen years) that the players threatened to strike when they found out he was leaving.
He spent loads of mo ey and got beat 8-1 wasn't it by Middlesborough.
Sven is a journey man, Houllier cannot be worse than Oneil, who has spent his whole career spending loads of money or throwing his dummies out the pram.
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He did so well at Man City in that one season (best league placing for umpteen years) that the players threatened to strike when they found out he was leaving.
He spent loads of mo ey and got beat 8-1 wasn't it by Middlesborough.
Sven is a journey man, Houllier cannot be worse than Oneil, who has spent his whole career spending loads of money or throwing his dummies out the pram.
He spent a lot of money because there was a lot of money to spend. As a result, Man City had their best league finish for years, which included doing the double over Man United. That 8-1 battering by Boro came in the last game of the season, after Eriksson had been told he was being given the poke and neither he nor the players were particularly happy about it.
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The man's an opportunist, and I'd be deeply unhappy if he was Villa manager right now.
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't; what's not in doubt is that he has a more impressive career CV than Houllier or O'Neill. Or Alan Curbishley, for that matter.
Yep, and he's also got nicer hair and a slightly-fitter wife probably. But all of that doesnt matter either because it's not about Sven's 2000 Scudetto versus Houllier's 2001 'treble' of sorts. It's about what he can bring to the table right now, what can he do to improve the club.
Houllier obviously came with a blueprint of how things were going to go, and Randy was obviously keen as mustard for what he heard. Sven probably came with his bank manager.
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Houllier is way more suitable than Sven. GH has won 6 trophies with an English club, Sven has done fuck all with an English club.
Can't people remember watching England under Sven screaming make a bloody sub. I've had enough of that with Martin.
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Houllier is way more suitable than Sven. GH has won 6 trophies with an English club, Sven has done fuck all with an English club.
Sven has had one season in the Premier League ffs. Fair enough, you don't rate him but you can't have a go at him on the basis of one season. A season which, under the circumstances, was actually a pretty good one for Man City.
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Can't people remember watching England under Sven screaming make a bloody sub. I've had enough of that with Martin.
I still wake up at 4am screaming 'DO SOMETHING SVEN, ANYTHING'
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Yep, and he's also got nicer hair and a slightly-fitter wife probably. But all of that doesnt matter either because it's not about Sven's 2000 Scudetto versus Houllier's 2001 'treble' of sorts. It's about what he can bring to the table right now, what can he do to improve the club.
Houllier obviously came with a blueprint of how things were going to go, and Randy was obviously keen as mustard for what he heard. Sven probably came with his bank manager.
It's a fair point; it would appear that Houllier was more impressive at interview than Sven. The point I'm making is that for all the people pointing to Houllier's record as evidence that he was the best candidate, Sven's record is better. It remains to be seen, assuming Houllier gets the job, whether he has the ability to execute that blueprint.
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Yep, and he's also got nicer hair and a slightly-fitter wife probably. But all of that doesnt matter either because it's not about Sven's 2000 Scudetto versus Houllier's 2001 'treble' of sorts. It's about what he can bring to the table right now, what can he do to improve the club.
Houllier obviously came with a blueprint of how things were going to go, and Randy was obviously keen as mustard for what he heard. Sven probably came with his bank manager.
It's a fair point; it would appear that Houllier was more impressive at interview than Sven. The point I'm making is that for all the people pointing to Houllier's record as evidence that he was the best candidate, Sven's record is better. It remains to be seen, assuming Houllier gets the job, whether he has the ability to execute that blueprint.
Yeah I certainly wouldnt use that argument too quickly against Eriksson, a 30-second wikipedia solves that one without too much trouble.
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Houllier is really not a bad shout. His record and contacts are far more impressive than MON. Also His ability to "find" young european talent is far superior to any previous manager we have ever had at Vp. Kevin Mac is really out of his league and we cannot afford for him to serve his apprenticeship as a premiere ship manager over a proven established leader who has massive advantages to the position ...........
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Ian Taylor has confirmed that Houllier will be appointed manager officially on Thursday.
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The Express:
GERARD HOULLIER TAKES THE ASTON VILLA HOT SEAT
GERARD Houllier will make his comeback as a Premier League boss on Thursday with Aston Villa.
Houllier, 63, will see the president of the French Football Federation to ask to be released from his job as their technical director and will then join Villa as manager.
As revealed in the Daily Express on Friday, Houllier has been in talks. These negotiations have now been completed, and Houllier has been given the job as Martin O’Neill’s successor. He has not been involved in management since he left Lyon in 2007 but was in charge of Liverpool for six years up until 2004.
His first game back in England will be Villa’s fixture at Stoke on Monday, giving him a chance to meet players as they return from internationals.
He will be free to appoint his own staff with his former assistant at Liverpool, Phil Thompson, a contender to link up again.
The future of former reserve coach Kevin MacDonald, who has been caretaker for five games, is unclear. MacDonald has said that if he did not become manager he would probably leave Villa, where he has been employed for 15 years.
Houllier, who had a major heart scare while at Anfield, made some poor signings at the end of his time there, but prior to that was successful with three trophies in one season.
It had been expected Villa would announce the appointment today and there were rumours of problems.But that is not the case and Houllier now only has to go through the courtesy of telling the French FA.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/197988/Gerard-Houllier-takes-the-Aston-Villa-hot-seat/
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The future of former reserve coach Kevin MacDonald, who has been caretaker for five games, is unclear. MacDonald has said that if he did not become manager he would probably leave Villa, where he has been employed for 15 years.
That's news to me. Has anyone else heard this? I'd would be surprised if that was the case as a week-or-so ago he didn't even know if he wanted the managers job as he was happy working the reserves. Hopefully he's just angling for a pay-rise.
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This has all come about because Lerner was happy to leave everything football wise to MON, one man in total control. They also decided against having someone with experience of premiership football on the board, in fact they got rid of people that did have the expert knowledge required.
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Rolling contract one assumes.
Will be sad if KMac goes - there can't be many staff, coaching or otherwise, who have been at the club longer.
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It's a fair point; it would appear that Houllier was more impressive at interview than Sven.
Has there been credible reports of Sven actually having an interview with us?
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The problem with Sven is he's got one eye on the door before he starts his first day at work.
Besides anyone who watched the inept Ivory Coast performance in the World Cup, and read about the catastrophic effort he made of the Mexico job, should be very wary of the man. And lets not even start on Notts County.
The man's an opportunist, and I'd be deeply unhappy if he was Villa manager right now.
The Ivory Coast gig was three games. They beat North Korea, drew with Portugal and lost to Brazil. They were crucially without Drogba for the Brazil game. Hardly inept - only for Portugal going goal crazy against the Commies it could have been a different story.
Mexico was a shambles though alright. Think his record in England was very decent. An average team in 2002 qualified after a horrific start and took the winners Brazil a serious game in the quarters, 2004 probably his best English team looked to be firing on all cyclinders before losing on penalties minus the injured Rooney to finalists Portugal, 2006 the team wasnt really in good shape but still ten men took Portugal to extra time. At club level, 3 doubles in three countries is hardly bad doing, while the 8th place for Man City was a decent season that fell apart near the end as the players knew he was leaving.
he is quite a conserative coach with loyalty to certain players a bit of an issue. I cant really understand the abuse he gets based on his record though.
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Southampton quoted as having had 2 applications from current premier managers- kmac maybe?
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Southampton quoted as having had 2 applications from current premier managers- kmac maybe?
Harry Redknapp.
Sir Alex.
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Southampton quoted as having had 2 applications from current premier managers- kmac maybe?
Grant.
Martinez.
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Southampton quoted as having had 2 applications from current premier managers- kmac maybe?
Current premier Managers or former?
I'd say Zola & Dowie if former.
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Randys Mistake (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/09/07/randys-mistake/)
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If it's current Premier League managers one has to be KMac, can't think who the other would be...
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They said over 50 applicants and 30 in current jobs of which 2 are current premier managers- which I find amazing- can only think of kmac , or maybe holloway who would be interested?
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Holloway and his board don't always get on I don't think so could easily be him.
The other has to be Kmac though you would think. If it is and he goes I hope he does brilliantly, and in 3 years time is ready to come and be the full time boss here after Houllier.
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Just a thought but if it was kmac and he got the saints job do you think mcandrew and cowans would go with him ?
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Doubt it, but Steve Staunton might.
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Just a thought but if it was kmac and he got the saints job do you think mcandrew and cowans would go with him ?
No. And he won't get the Saints job either, why are you suddenly going on about this all the time?!
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Just speculating who the 2 current premier managers are who have applied for Southampton job- it's not going on about it , we are discussing who they may be!
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They won't be current managers and one will be Phil Brown.
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They are current managers- Southampton have said 30 current managers applied of which 2 are current premier managers!
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They are current managers- Southampton have said 30 current managers applied of which 2 are current premier managers!
They might have said it, it doesn't make it true, though.
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Can't people remember watching England under Sven screaming make a bloody sub. I've had enough of that with Martin.
I still wake up at 4am screaming 'DO SOMETHING SVEN, ANYTHING'
Didn't know Ulrika posted on here
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What would be the point paulie? Sky are also saying 2 current prem managers have applied for Southampton job- it would be ridiculous to say it if not true- I would reckon holloway would be one.
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What would be the point paulie? Sky are also saying 2 current prem managers have applied for Southampton job- it would be ridiculous to say it if not true- I would reckon holloway would be one.
Not having a pop, but you do seem to naively believe everything you hear on SSN or read in the papers.
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They are current managers- Southampton have said 30 current managers applied of which 2 are current premier managers!
They might have said it, it doesn't make it true, though.
Exactly. My chin got very itchy when reading that.
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The statement was released by Southampton, not the papers- also it was pete colley who said thommo WOULD be new assistant manager, nit might or could be, and in that case sky as his employers should know that.
I appreciate a lot of papers talk bollocks but I find sky sports pretty reliable mostly.
I too was very surprised on hearing the Southampton news but please don't shoot the messenger.
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And a football club would never exaggerate would they.
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Don't bully east19. T'int nice.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/7987188/Gerrard-Houllier-set-to-sign-two-year-contract-as-new-Aston-Villa-manager.html?
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L'Equipe are reporting that Phil Thompson WILL NOT be Houllier's assistant.
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2 year contract without Big Nose according to L'Equipe.
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I'll bet his Assistant will be McDonald. Bad do, if so. Years of mediocrity await.
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I appreciate a lot of papers talk bollocks but I find sky sports pretty reliable mostly.
Reliable for attractive female presenters and hyperbole ad nauseum. Reliable news? Nah.
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I know it belongs in another thread but the coverage of the Pakistan team bus on Sky Sports News has been hilarious.
Breaking news last weeks was it 'leaving team hotel for Taunton'. More after the break - dum dum der der der dum dum.
Then it was Breaking News 'Pakistan Coach Driver stops off at Bridgewater Services and purchases pack of Fox's Glacier Fruits and has a go on the fruitie......more to follow' dum, dum der der der dum dum.
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L'Equipe are reporting that Phil Thompson WILL NOT be Houllier's assistant.
The L'Equipe online article weirdly says that Houllier wants to take PT. Where have Sky got their info that he is not going. If it is from PT, why quote L'Equipe article??
"According to our information, Gerard Houllier would have given his agreement for s' to engage with the English club d' Aston Villa. L' current DTN was in England last weekend and it set out again about it Monday evening. The negotiations between the two parts would have succeeded this Tuesday for the signature d' a contract d' one two years duration. Houllier, who would owe officially s' to take Wednesday, would like to have like assistant sound old right-hand man at Reds Phil Thompson, currently consulting on Sky Sports. The club of Birmingham sought a trainer since the departure surprised of Martin O' Neill, last on August 9. Gerard Houllier already involved in First League puisqu' he was the manager of Liverpool of 1998 to 2004. "
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Yesterday colley on sky said definately thommo as did mark lawrenson on radio 5 earlier today- wires crossed I think somewhere.
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"would like to have like assistant sound old right-hand man at Reds Phil Thompson"
Somebody has put a belter in there and congratulations to them.
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Phil Thompson was seen in Sky TV's Reception area yesterday handing in a set of earphones. Read into that what you will.
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Gerard Houllier is poised to sign a two-year contract to become the 25th manager in Aston Villa's 126-year history.
By Telegraph staff
Published: 5:06PM BST 07 Sep 2010
Gerard Houllier set to sign two-year contract as new Aston Villa manager
According to reports in France, the former Liverpool manager will sign the deal, having spent the weekend in England meeting Villa's representatives.
Houllier is set to hand in his resignation as France's technical director on Wednesday, with the French Football Federation unlikely to stand in his way.
Houllier will be only the second foreign coach to take charge of Villa after Jozef Venglos' ill-fated spell two decades ago.
He is set to be named as Villa's fifth manager of the new millennium after John Gregory, Graham Taylor, David O'Leary and O'Neill.
It will represent the end of a six-year exile from the Premier League for Houllier since his reign at Liverpool came to an end in May 2004.
Houllier, who has been working as France's technical director, is expected to face the media for the first time in his new role on Thursday. His first match in charge would be the away clash with Stoke on Monday.
Houllier's former Liverpool number two, Phil Thompson, is expected to follow him to Villa Park.
When Villa started recruiting in earnest to replace O'Neill, they admitted that Premier League experience was high on their list of priorities - and Houllier has that in abundance.
The former schoolteacher has been in management for 37 years and his clubs included Lens, Paris St Germain and, after leaving Anfield, Lyon.
He joined Liverpool in July 1998 and won the Uefa Cup, two League Cups, an FA Cup and a European Super Cup during almost six years at the helm.
He had more than a 50 per cent winning rate from his 325 matches in charge as Liverpool's first non-British manager.
Houllier, who was awarded an honorary OBE for his services to British football, suffered heart problems during the end of his term at Anfield, although he looked in prime condition when seen at Jamie Carragher's testimonial on Saturday.
Thompson has worked as a pundit with Sky Sports for the past six years since leaving Anfield, where he formed a successful partnership with Houllier.
He will also bring a massive bank of experience to Villa based on three decades on the playing and managerial side at Liverpool.
He won three European Cups and seven league titles as a player and latterly as captain in addition to 42 England caps.
Thompson then worked alongside Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness and then Houllier in the Anfield dug-out after hanging up his boots at only 31.
The 56 year-old also had a spell as caretaker boss when Houllier had to undergo heart surgery.
It is still to be decided what role the current caretaker manager Kevin MacDonald would have under the new regime. He has been successful as reserve team coach but may be offered a post as part of the first-team set-up.
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A former school teacher eh?
Nigel Im talking will you be quie...Are you chewing?
I just want it all confirmed and sorted now
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Phil Thompson was seen in Sky TV's Reception area yesterday handing in a set of earphones. Read into that what you will.
They were Rodney marsh's old ones
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The article from Phil McNulty on the BBC makes very encouraging reading. Plus the fact it suggests Randy will definitely have made Houllier aware that we are still ambitious as a club.
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My liverpool supporting mate emailed me today, said:
be prepared for lots of post-match interviews where Houllier cites all the stats about shots on goals and posession superiority, despite the fact that you have spent the game knocking long balls into Heskey, been clearly outpassed and created a few half chances.
Probably harsh, but I'm not expecting it to be any more entertaining than it was under MON. Which isn't to say he won't get my support.
More long balls to Heskey - please for the fucking love of god NO! The man is a Houdini.
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My liverpool supporting mate emailed me today, said:
be prepared for lots of post-match interviews where Houllier cites all the stats about shots on goals and posession superiority, despite the fact that you have spent the game knocking long balls into Heskey, been clearly outpassed and created a few half chances.
Probably harsh, but I'm not expecting it to be any more entertaining than it was under MON. Which isn't to say he won't get my support.
More long balls to Heskey - please for the fucking love of god NO! The man is a Houdini.
Just ignore him he's jealous
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Houllier agrees to join
Accoring to our information, Gerard Houllier has given his OK to join English club Aston Villa. The current Technical Director for the French football team was in England last weekend, leaving Monday evening. Discussions between the two parties could lead to a signature this Monday for a two-year contract.
Houllier, who could take charge on Wednesday would like to have ex-Liverpool man Phil Thompson as his right-hand man, currently commentator at Sky Sports.
Faacking newspapers got in before me...
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Assistant manager should be KM. It will probably the scouse twat that doesnt know the squad.
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The Guardian say its three years, not two:
Gérard Houllier agrees three-year deal to take charge at Aston Villa
• Frenchman will not be reunited with Phil Thompson
• Villa keen to look after Kevin MacDonald
Gérard Houllier has agreed a three-year contract to become Aston Villa's manager and is set to be confirmed as Martin O'Neill's successor , after he has held talks with the French Football Federation about the terms of his departure.
Houllier, who has been working as the technical director of the FFF, has shaken hands on a deal with Randy Lerner and given the Villa chairman his word that he will accept the position. Although there are some minor details to be ratified, Villa do not anticipate any problems and expect Houllier to be presented to the media on Thursday or, at the latest, on Friday.
The Frenchman will not be reunited with Phil Thompson, who worked alongside him at Liverpool. Thompson had been tipped to become the assistant manager at Villa Park but will instead continue with his media work. It remains to be seen whether Houllier will turn to one of his former players at Anfield to fulfil that role or offer the position to Kevin MacDonald, who was placed in caretaker charge when O'Neill resigned five days before the start of the season.
MacDonald eventually put his name forward to be considered for the manager's position and, although he has missed out, Villa are keen to look after the Scot, whose coaching ability and work in developing youngsters at the club over the past 15 years are highly regarded by Lerner. At the very least, Villa will keep open the reserve team manager's position that MacDonald held before O'Neill stepped down.Houllier's first game will be at the Britannia Stadium on Monday night, when Villa face Stoke City in the Premier League. The 63-year-old will be only the second foreigner to manage Villa, following Jozef Venglos's brief reign between 1990 and 1991.
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Only our second foreign manager, unusual in this day and age.
O'Dreary mustn't count even though he came from a completely different planet.
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Only our second foreign manager, unusual in this day and age.
O'Dreary mustn't count even though he came from a completely different planet.
The planet of Cock head.
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excellent read about houllier here -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/09/why_houllier_deserves_respect.html
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Only our second foreign manager, unusual in this day and age.
O'Dreary mustn't count even though he came from a completely different planet
Born in London wasn't he? the old sex text pest
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Dietmar Hamman involved? Says our 'Villa Insider' friend.
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
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Where was GH in the vote list? 19 names in there and we didn't think about him ...tut tut
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i think gerard should decide whether he wants kmac as coach , he may feel kmac is too pally with players in which case a fresh start would be better for all concerned.
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Thompson? ;)
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Thompson? ;)
He would unfortunately fit the bill, even if I do personally think he's a bit of a twat.
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i think gerard should decide whether he wants kmac as coach , he may feel kmac is too pally with players in which case a fresh start would be better for all concerned.
That's the thing, for all the talk (other thread) about whether or not we want Phil Thompson, if we've appointed GH, he and he only should be choosing his staff.
If that means KM goes back to work with the reserves, then unfortunately, that is the way it has to be.
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Pinocchio isn't coming to Villa Park after all (according to TalkSport) -
By all accounts Houllier is talking to FFF today - perhaps they will
persuade him to continue in his role with them .............and the search
for a new manager goes on and on and on
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Pinocchio isn't coming to Villa Park after all (according to TalkSport) -
By all accounts Houllier is talking to FFF today - perhaps they will
persuade him to continue in his role with them .............and the search
for a new manager goes on and on and on
No it will be Houllier, Don't worry
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Well, if its on TalkSport then it must be true.
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Where was GH in the vote list? 19 names in there and we didn't think about him ...tut tut
because it would be a pathetic appointment and no one in their right minds thought he would get the job
oh hang on ......
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Houlier is a better manager than 75% of that list ..
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Houlier is a better manager than 75% of that list ..
True. But then does that make the board visionary for going for him or stupid as we probably never thought of him because he's 63 and was serving a practical semi-retirement behind the scenes with France?
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Houlier is a better manager than 75% of that list ..
True. But then does that make the board visionary for going for him or stupid as we probably never thought of him because he's 63 and was serving a practical semi-retirement behind the scenes with France?
Only time will tell.
I've just got a very uneasy feeling about the whole thing.
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Where was GH in the vote list? 19 names in there and we didn't think about him ...tut tut
because it would be a pathetic appointment and no one in their right minds thought he would get the job
oh hang on ......
Does there not come a point where you think enough is enough? I respect your right to your negative view of the appointment but you really have made your point already
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...over and over and over and...
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So..
Does anyone care what Tom Ross thinks?
Link (http://buzztap.com/-i0a05o)
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Thompson? ;)
He would unfortunately fit the bill, even if I do personally think he's a bit of a twat.
That's more like it. You're not really a happy clapper.
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So..
Does anyone care what Tom Ross thinks?
Link (http://buzztap.com/-i0a05o)
No!
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So..
Does anyone care what Tom Ross thinks?
Link (http://buzztap.com/-i0a05o)
Only Tom Ross.
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Why does it take so bleeding long to appoint a bloke the French cant wait to get rid of, a pundit for Sky and a bloke who already works for us?
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Thompson? ;)
He would unfortunately fit the bill, even if I do personally think he's a bit of a twat.
That's more like it. You're not really a happy clapper.
I do feel i now need to go on a massively positive rant about something before they kick me out of the club!
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Agree John. Neither Houllier or Kevin MacDonald are big shouters during games. I'm not saying we need another monkey on speed but there does need to be some communication coming from the bench.
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I've been trying to think who Houllier reminds me of, I reckon he looks like Small out of 'Big and Small.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/episode/b00f3gyw_640_360.jpg
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I love Big and Small. My kids have grown out of it but I still force them to watch it with me.
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Welcome Mr. H.
Houllier's knowledge and experience will be invaluable; I welcome the appointment because his track record is impressive.
UTV.
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Welcome Mr. H.
Has he definitely definitely signed yet?
I'll believe it when I see a photo of him on the pitch, arms outstretched as if holding the North Stand in the background.
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OTP, WASRHN.
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Welcome Mr. H.
Has he definitely definitely signed yet?
I'll believe it when I see a photo of him on the pitch, arms outstretched as if holding the North Stand in the background.
Three year deal I believe. Pictures will probably be out soon with a press conference I imagine some point today.
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He's taking over at a relatively good time given the circumstances. The first 4 games are all very winnable giving him the opportunity to calm the doubters.
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He's taking over at a relatively good time given the circumstances. The first 4 games are all very winnable giving him the opportunity to calm the doubters.
A win at Stoke and the league is ours.
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Agree John. Neither Houllier or Kevin MacDonald are big shouters during games. I'm not saying we need another monkey on speed but there does need to be some communication coming from the bench.
Brian Blessed?
"CRIVENS, CURTIS! STAY CALM IN POSSESSION!"
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Latest reliable sources say Gerard's meeting with French Football Federation president Fernando Duchaussoy took place last night rather than topday as planned. Unconfirmed sources say Gerard's been spotted at Birmingham airport.
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Latest reliable sources say Gerard's meeting with French Football Federation president Fernando Duchaussoy took place last night rather than topday as planned. Unconfirmed sources say Gerard's been spotted at Birmingham airport.
I think you'll find he's at Bodymoor Heath or Villa Park as we speak.
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Dietmar Hamman involved? Says our 'Villa Insider' friend.
Hamman plays for the MK Dons at the moment
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Dietmar Hamman involved? Says our 'Villa Insider' friend.
Wow, he's till playing? I'd rather Hamman than Thomson.
Hamman plays for the MK Dons at the moment
Wow he's still playing?
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Yes, talkSport said Houllier is in Birmingham and is scheduled to have a press conference later today.
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Driving up the Aston Hall Road now as we speak.....Hang on, he's stopped at the shop opposite what once was Joinery Contracts Ltd and bought I think, some form of mints. Will keep you posted.
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Yes, talkSport said Houllier is in Birmingham and is scheduled to have a press conference later today.
Which actually means "he's in Paris and has decided against managing us".
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Dietmar Hamman involved? Says our 'Villa Insider' friend.
Wow, he's till playing? I'd rather Hamman than Thomson.
Hamman plays for the MK Dons at the moment
Wow he's still playing?
Yeah, he's 37 now, i thought he'd be older seems to have been around forever. Your "villa insider" friend was wrong me thinks, unkless he does a u turn and he's known to do them.....
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Driving up the Aston Hall Road now as we speak.....Hang on, he's stopped at the shop opposite what once was Joinery Contracts Ltd and bought I think, some form of mints. Will keep you posted.
Does he look drunk? That's usually the reason when men buy mints.
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thought the press conference was tomorrow? bring it on ged, and welcome to aston villa!
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villa insider has said on twitter about 12.30 that houllier is done and he has signed 3 year deal. no news on assistant but names like hamman have been thrown about, LOL
after all my bitching and all the abuse i have had on here about my bitching i am happy to give houllier a chance. Just hope he can reproduce the form he did with liverpool
i am just worrying about his signings. everyone saying that he has european contacts blah blah, but who did he sign that was any good for liverpool ? :-)
inspector Cleausous claret n blue army !!
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Yes, talkSport said Houllier is in Birmingham and is scheduled to have a press conference later today.
Which actually means "he's in Paris and has decided against managing us".
Sitting outside a cafe, smoking a Gauloise, reading Le Monde, sneering at tourists, occasionally looking up from his newspaper to eye up some devilishly attractive woman, pondering the merits of a two hour, three course lunch break.
I love Paris.
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i am just worrying about his signings. everyone saying that he has european contacts blah blah, but who did he sign that was any good for liverpool ? :-)
Hyppia, Hamann, Henchoz, Babbel and McAllister.
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i am just worrying about his signings. everyone saying that he has european contacts blah blah, but who did he sign that was any good for liverpool ? :-)
Hyppia, Hamann, Henchoz, Babbel and McAllister.
Grace Kelly, Harlow, Jean, picture of a beauty queen. Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, dance on air.
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Agree John. Neither Houllier or Kevin MacDonald are big shouters during games. I'm not saying we need another monkey on speed but there does need to be some communication coming from the bench.
Brian Blessed?
"CRIVENS, CURTIS! STAY CALM IN POSSESSION!"
If they need someone to shout at Curtis Davies for 90 minutes I'll be well up for it.
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Driving up the Aston Hall Road now as we speak.....Hang on, he's stopped at the shop opposite what once was Joinery Contracts Ltd and bought I think, some form of mints. Will keep you posted.
Does he look drunk? That's usually the reason when men buy mints.
Christ, get him off the expressway before he hits the tunnels.
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Press conference at 4pm. Didier Six to be unveiled as his assistant manager and Matthew Berson s chief bench warmer.
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OTP, WASRHN.
On The Pitch, Wearing a Sexy Red Hat, No?
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Hurry up and announce it Randy...............I've got an appointment with
my 'shrink' at 3.30pm and I need something to moan and groan about
else he will send me back to work -
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OTP, WASRHN.
On The Pitch, Wearing a Sexy Red Hat, No?
On The Pitch, With a Soft Red Hanky for his Nose.
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On the piss, wearing a scarf round his neck
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On The Pan, Wanting A Shit Right Here Now?
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He's just driven past the King Edward three times and nobody has thrown any bottles at him, so I think he has decided to stay, despite the warning from the Bored (sp).
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My ideal coaching set up under him would be K-Mac as a coach (his strength and gets on with the players) and a firey assistant (the shouter who plays bad cop when it's needed). That would make up for where I would percieve Houllier is not strongest.
Agree John. Neither Houllier or Kevin MacDonald are big shouters during games. I'm not saying we need another monkey on speed but there does need to be some communication coming from the bench.
Brian Blessed?
"CRIVENS, CURTIS! STAY CALM IN POSSESSION!"
Made me laugh really out loud, thanks Paulie
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Any news?
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someone said press conf at 4pm and hamman announced as assistant
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No news in the media about a press conference..
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On the piss, wearing a scarf round his neck
Almost right.
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Update:
He's still in France. A statement may be released later this afternoon confirming the appointment.
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On the piss, wearing a scarf round his neck
Almost right.
On the pitch, wearing a stringofonions round his neck?
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Update:
He's still in France.
Let me guess, their air traffic controllers are on strike again?
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News of a Managerial nature yet ??
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On the pitch, wearing a scarf round his nob.
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Just spotted outside The Holte Pub.
He looks like he wants to go in, but can't tell whether it's open or not.
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Yes, talkSport said Houllier is in Birmingham and is scheduled to have a press conference later today.
Which actually means "he's in Paris and has decided against managing us".
I told you.
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Update:
He's still in France. A statement may be released later this afternoon confirming the appointment.
No, he's now in Chez Joules. A statement will be released later this afternoon as to whether he went for the set menu... starter and main (dishes with an * against them) for £12.95 or, with wanton abandon ordered just what he wanted.
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Whatever he orders, I bet it involves cheese.
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Just sums up how much of a disaster this summer has been. We have a match on Monday, and he is yet to meet the squad and prepare them properly. Christ.
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Ever get the impression that all the waitng has gotten to the collective sanity of H&V?
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Update:
He's still in France. A statement may be released later this afternoon confirming the appointment.
No, he's now in Chez Joules. A statement will be released later this afternoon as to whether he went for the set menu... starter and main (dishes with an * against them) for £12.95 or, with wanton abandon ordered just what he wanted.
Lunchtime menu, £8.95. Salade de chorizo followed by Blanc de poulet saute. He particularly commended the gratin dauphinois.
I cannot believe I just checked the Chez Jules website for accuracy.
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Just sums up how much of a disaster this summer has been.
MON left. Every cloud has a silver lining etc....
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The worrything for me is that Houller's teams play in a style every bit as dire as MON's.
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Just sums up how much of a disaster this summer has been.
MON left. Every cloud has a silver lining etc....
Even before that we were a shambles. No preparation, nobody knew what was going on.
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Just sums up how much of a disaster this summer has been.
MON left. Every cloud has a silver lining etc....
Even before that we were a shambles. No preparation, nobody knew what was going on.
Where were you for the last 4 summers? It was like that every year with MON.
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Just sums up how much of a disaster this summer has been.
MON left. Every cloud has a silver lining etc....
Even before that we were a shambles. No preparation, nobody knew what was going on.
Where were you for the last 4 summers? It was like that every year with MON.
No it wasn't. He signed a few players early. We all knew he liked to leave it until near the end of the window, but there was no hint whatsoever that we would be making signings this summer. There was also talk there was no money to spend, so nobody had a clue what was going on. In previous years we knew there was money to spend. That and the fact the Milner saga was allowed to drag on makes this summer one of the worst I can remember as a Villa fan.
Ie, in the past he signed some players quite early on - Sidwell, Downing, Reo-Coker. This year..well..
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The worrything for me is that Houller's teams play in a style every bit as dire as MON's.
At least we're used to it
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Birmingham Post have the same info as our own Mr Woodhall: http://bit.ly/9BRVhF
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We all knew he liked to leave it until near the end of the window, but there was no hint whatsoever that we would be making signings this summer.
You obviously missed the collective sigh of relief on here when we failed to sign Aiden McGready.
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Just sums up how much of a disaster this summer has been.
MON left. Every cloud has a silver lining etc....
Even before that we were a shambles. No preparation, nobody knew what was going on.
Where were you for the last 4 summers? It was like that every year with MON.
No it wasn't. He signed a few players early. We all knew he liked to leave it until near the end of the window, but there was no hint whatsoever that we would be making signings this summer. There was also talk there was no money to spend, so nobody had a clue what was going on. In previous years we knew there was money to spend. That and the fact the Milner saga was allowed to drag on makes this summer one of the worst I can remember as a Villa fan.
Ie, in the past he signed some players quite early on - Sidwell, Downing, Reo-Coker. This year..well..
You're right, it's just another of those internet myths. We've only signed about half a dozen players in the last two weeks of the summer window since Lerner/O'Neill. The January window is different in that almost all deals are done during the last two weeks.
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Just sums up how much of a disaster this summer has been.
MON left. Every cloud has a silver lining etc....
Even before that we were a shambles. No preparation, nobody knew what was going on.
Where were you for the last 4 summers? It was like that every year with MON.
No it wasn't. He signed a few players early. We all knew he liked to leave it until near the end of the window, but there was no hint whatsoever that we would be making signings this summer. There was also talk there was no money to spend, so nobody had a clue what was going on. In previous years we knew there was money to spend. That and the fact the Milner saga was allowed to drag on makes this summer one of the worst I can remember as a Villa fan.
Ie, in the past he signed some players quite early on - Sidwell, Downing, Reo-Coker. This year..well..
You're right, it's just another of those internet myths. We've only signed about half a dozen players in the last two weeks of the summer window since Lerner/O'Neill. The January window is different in that almost all deals are done during the last two weeks.
Yes, but we knew that MON would leave it late anyway, as he has always done at Leicester and Celtic before us. This summer was different. There was so much talk of no money to spend. That Milner had to be sold to generate funds to use. We had that statement from MON saying he wouldn't be rushed and he preferred to leave it late. Nobody can deny that this summer was a complete shambles from top to bottom.
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We all knew he liked to leave it until near the end of the window, but there was no hint whatsoever that we would be making signings this summer.
You obviously missed the collective sigh of relief on here when we failed to sign Aiden McGready.
No, I didn't miss it, as the feeling amongst fan was collective on almost all forums.
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Yes, but we knew that MON would leave it late anyway, as he has always done at Leicester and Celtic before us. This summer was different. There was so much talk of no money to spend. That Milner had to be sold to generate funds to use. We had that statement from MON saying he wouldn't be rushed and he preferred to leave it late. Nobody can deny that this summer was a complete shambles from top to bottom.
This summer was also a little different in that it was a world cup year, too, which slowed things down.
The only talk of "no money to spend" was from journalists, and people on here. The message from the board was different. I know who I believe.
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Hate to go off topic but love the username by the way. Just started watching the show for the first time. ???
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What happened to this afternoon's press conference?
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We all knew he liked to leave it until near the end of the window, but there was no hint whatsoever that we would be making signings this summer.
You obviously missed the collective sigh of relief on here when we failed to sign Aiden McGready.
No, I didn't miss it, as the feeling amongst fan was collective on almost all forums.
The refusal of the board to let him shake hot white coconuts from the long veiny tree, £18m style, on Keane and McGready, was a large factor in him walking out.
Both also wanted huge wages.
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What happened to this afternoon's press conference?
Just heard on BBC Radio Bristol (and they should know..) that GH is expected to be announced as Villa Manager "this evening"
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What happened to this afternoon's press conference?
Ran out of baguettes and snail porridge at Bodymoor Heath, Heston Bluemantile has been informed and is organising some for tomorrow.
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What happened to this afternoon's press conference?
Ran out of baguettes and snail porridge at Bodymoor Heath, Heston Bluemantile has been informed and is organising some for tomorrow.
Don't forget the deep fried frogs legs.
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Houllier unveiled this Thursday at Aston Villa?
Aston Villa hope to confirm the arrival of Gérard Houllier from tomorrow, stemming from a forthcoming meeting between himself and the French Football Federation president Fernand Duchaussoy, which the former will confirm his desire to return to the English Permier League, six years after his departure from Liverpool. Of course, "nothing is finished yet", as Houllier himself said in Le Parisien [Monday last], but if everything goes to plan, like the Birmingham club wishes to do, the Frenchman will be presented to the British press this Thursday at Villa Park. The club have told a few journalists to keep this Thursday free "in case"
"In case", which means its not 100% certain in the eyes of one British bookmaker (well known- and well-respected), who are astonished at the slow pace of the operation, and are placing a hefty wage on a different outcome. According to the latest information that [France Football] have received, this bookmaker has a big chance of being disappointed.
it is exactly the quality of the manager that the ex-Lyon coach would be hired, but his assistant would be the current coach of the Villans, Kevin McDonald, than Phil Thompson, which had that role at Liverpool
[France Football]
With comments along the lines of "good riddance" and "good for French football, lets get rid of the other directors still there"
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What happened to this afternoon's press conference?
Ran out of baguettes and snail porridge at Bodymoor Heath, Heston Bluemantile has been informed and is organising some for tomorrow.
Don't forget the deep fried frogs legs.
The French will eat anything, except, seemingly Clorets.
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We all knew he liked to leave it until near the end of the window, but there was no hint whatsoever that we would be making signings this summer.
You obviously missed the collective sigh of relief on here when we failed to sign Aiden McGready.
No, I didn't miss it, as the feeling amongst fan was collective on almost all forums.
The refusal of the board to let him shake hot white coconuts from the long veiny tree, £18m style, on Keane and McGready, was a large factor in him walking out.
Both also wanted huge wages.
I heard he was allowed to sign Dunne, Collins and Warnock last year on the promise that he would sell the deadwood on high wages in January.
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A press conference at Aston Villa is already ready
In Birmingham, one said, everything is in place in order to present a press conference at the club, as early as Gerard Houllier would inform inperson the president of the FFF of his decision. According to our information, Fernand Duchaussoy, which was present at the Bleus win over Bosnia (2-0) last Tuesday night in Sarajevo, has landed at Paris-Bourget, before lunchtime, his schedule would lead him immediately towards the north of France, but Duchaussoy would apparently head towards FFF headquarters to meet Houllier.
Houllier's contract will be for 3 years
Confirmation of houllier's departure from France towards England is now only a question of time. The length of the contract isnt' tow but three years, as to his assistant, we're hearing more and more of Gary McAllister or Dietmar Hamann, two ex-Liverpool players of which he has a close relationship. The presentation of the new manager to the press, planned for Thursday, could be delayed by 24 hours (Friday), in order to co-incide with a press meeting for the Villa-Stoke game on Monday. With, almost certainty, a certain Gerard Houllier in the away dugout.
Posted at 1pm today on France Football
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I'd quite like this to go through now, so that Gerard can start the hard work.
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Confirmation of houllier's departure from France towards England is now only a question of time. The length of the contract isnt' tow but three years, as to his assistant, we're hearing more and more of Gary McAllister or Dietmar Hamann, two ex-Liverpool players of which he has a close relationship.
So what does Dietmar Hamann have that Kevin Mac. doesn't have - other than about 14 years less as a coach. Likewise, Gary McAllister - great player, seems like a reasonable bloke but didn't exactly pull up many trees in his earlier spell in management. So why are these two in the frame to support Houllier.
Developing an extensive youth scheme that stretches farther than our current one and plays a more prominent part in future structure of the first team squad is a must if we are to progress. The person to lead this would have a leading role in the club management team and, surely, Kev Mac is the ideal person for this.
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i want to vote but houllier isnt on the poll list.....
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Delayed until Friday? This is getting ridiculous.
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Not according to the Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/09/08/breaking-news-gerard-houllier-to-sign-for-aston-villa-this-evening-97319-27230899/
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Any assumptions about the management team below Houllier is just speculation at the moment. The manager and his working relationship with his assistant has to be a good one. Kevin Mac could get a job in charge of youth development and reserve football for example and still be a very important member of the backroom team.
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Not according to the Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/09/08/breaking-news-gerard-houllier-to-sign-for-aston-villa-this-evening-97319-27230899/
I wonder when that was put up. Any idea mate?
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What a piss take
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Not according to the Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/09/08/breaking-news-gerard-houllier-to-sign-for-aston-villa-this-evening-97319-27230899/
I wonder when that was put up. Any idea mate?
I think it was only the last 15-20 mins
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It's diabolical this.
No other football club acts so slowly as ours in doing anything.
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It's diabolical this.
No other football club acts so slowly as ours in doing anything.
It's true. Everything seems to be an almighty pfaff. Shouldn't be much longer though. I'm not exactly ecstatic, but i suppose it could have been worse, i.e Zola, Southgate, Bob Beamon or Macca.
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A journalist from The Times has confirmed on Twitter that the FFF have allowed Houllier to leave to manage Aston Villa.
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A quick google reveals that all the dodgy rumour sites seem to be hinting something is going to happen tonight...is late though.. maybe 9pm announcement and press conference tomorrow?
Either way... it looks as good as done.... so lets get behind him now... he's claret and blue