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Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: not3bad on August 04, 2010, 09:18:15 AM
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MARTIN O’NEILL has warned Aston Villa fans to stop moaning about the lack of transfer activity, insisting: “I couldn’t care less what people think.”
O’Neill has earned him- self the nickname ‘Martin No Deal’ at Villa Park because of his notorious slow-motion attitude to bringing in new players.
Villa have yet to do any business this summer despite the new Premier League season being less than a fortnight away. O’Neill is still refusing to elaborate on any interest in Aiden McGeady, amid reports that the Celtic winger is holding out for a move to Villa Park after rejecting a £9.5m switch to Spartak Moscow.
West Ham’s Scott Parker and Wigan’s Hugo Rodallega also remain on the Villa radar, along with Everton’s Steven Pienaar, but Villa have yet to add a new face to their squad.
Part of the reason for that is that Manchester City are refusing to meet their £28m valuation of James Milner, which is having a knock-on effect on in-coming deals.
And six fringe players who O’Neill is hoping to sell to raise futher funds have been unable to secure moves away from Villa Park.
O’Neill is working to bring in the reinforcements he feels the claret and blues need to challenge for the top four, domestic cups and Europa League.
And the Villa boss defended his policy of taking his time over signings, citing the success of Stephen Warnock, James Collins and Richard Dunne. Warnock arrived after last season had already kicked off, with Dunne and Collins joining on transfer deadline day. Not that O’Neill is losing any sleep over it, or his reputation for being a ditherer in the transfer market.
“Really, I’m not remotely interested,” he said. “Honestly, I couldn’t care less whether I get unfairly criticised. “What I will say is the business that we did in the last few days of August last year really made our season. “Those three players coming in – Stephen Warnock and the two centre-backs – were absolutely supreme for us. “It was so important to get those three players in, so personally, if I had to wait until the last couple of days because of circumstances, then I would.”
O’Neill is refusing to panic about the lack of arrivals or departures and, although he doesn’t like the transfer window, is happy to use every last minute of it to do the right deals. “Those are the rules so you go by the rules and you run that length of time. That’s absolutely fi ne. It’s not a problem,” he said.
Yeah, I know it's the Daily Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/147589/Matin-O-Neill-says-he-couldn-t-care-less-about-transfers/?)
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: rutski on August 04, 2010, 09:33:35 AM
it was in the express and star last night also!
i feel mon gets bad press and everyone is a little impatient but just my opinion! There were 2 bulls, father and son, and they were standing on a hill overlooking a meadow full of cows! The son says to his dad, dad quickly, there is a field full of cows there, lets run down there and fuck one! The father looks at his son and says, i tell you what son, why dont we walk down there and fuck them all!
Have a little patience all!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: peter w on August 04, 2010, 09:37:44 AM
I'm on his side with this one. Despite wanting him sacked for the past season and a bit I won't criicise his transfers or his methods.
The only flip side is that it could have an impact on our opening games if we play them under strengthas it were. It'd be interesting to see the stats for the games that we have played under MON from the start of the season until the end of the August transfer window. January I'd leave aside as not much is done then by anyone save the odd exception here and there.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 09:40:15 AM
I don't know why it is that he takes his time, or what other 'market forces' are in play that effect things, but for me the who we get is much more important than when we get them!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Rob Gee on August 04, 2010, 09:42:02 AM
The title of this thread is as bad as a headline in The Mirror.
Title: "could'nt care less"
Post by: darren woolley on August 04, 2010, 09:44:15 AM
I for one dont really like the "could not care less" attitude we as supporters care about our club and we want to progress there is nothing wrong with that so why come out with stupid quote's like that.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: eastie on August 04, 2010, 09:44:34 AM
I think it's a silly comment to make , far rather say "that's their opinion but I'm the manager" than antagonise people with his "I couldn't get less what they think"!
This is our club martin, and we will be here long after you are gone-I find his comments typical of him, stubborn and arrogant like cloughie maybe, but as a manager not fit to lace cloughies boots!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 09:48:06 AM
So what is wrong with this?
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“Honestly, I couldn’t care less whether I get unfairly criticised. “What I will say is the business that we did in the last few days of August last year really made our season. “Those three players coming in – Stephen Warnock and the two centre-backs – were absolutely supreme for us. “It was so important to get those three players in, so personally, if I had to wait until the last couple of days because of circumstances, then I would.”
Some of you just want to be offended.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: not3bad on August 04, 2010, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: "Rob Gee"
The title of this thread is as bad as a headline in The Mirror.
The title of this thread is actually the headline in the Star (minus the 's' in 'transfers' which it won't let me add for some reason).
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 04, 2010, 09:49:47 AM
I find that offensive, Chris!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Countryside Villain on August 04, 2010, 09:49:59 AM
I don't mind his attitude, I also couldn't care less what you lot think of my work, so long as my boss is happy.
I do however reserve my right to state that I think waiting till the season is underway to make signings is the wrong approach. Just because you have until the 1st September doesn't mean you leave everything until then.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 09:51:51 AM
As always, this is the answer to a question rather than MON wanting to make a statement. So, if the question was "What do you say to people who think you're slow in the market?", we get the above answer, but if he was asked the more precise "What do you say to fans who are concerned about the lack of activity?", I'm sure it would be something a lot different.
Don't get offended by thinking it's the latter he was answering when I'm sure it was the former!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 04, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
As someone posted earlier it is alike buying a house in as much as there is a chain - once one starts then everything will start rolling - i would imagine the catalyst is Man City - if they stump up the cash for Milner then that will start the ball rolling
So far they have only spent their money over seas i think
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2010, 09:57:48 AM
I couldn't care less about Martin O'Neill
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: not3bad on August 04, 2010, 10:04:54 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I couldn't care less about Martin O'Neill
Isn't that like saying you couldn't care less about the Villa, being as it is MON's decisions and methods that directly affect the fortunes of the club?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: luke95 on August 04, 2010, 10:05:49 AM
Where does it say ... "I couldnt care less about tranfers" ???
as Chris said people just want to be offended, as usual the O'Neill haters just see it as a negative .
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2010, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I couldn't care less about Martin O'Neill
Isn't that like saying you couldn't care less about the Villa, being as it is MON's decisions and methods that directly affect the fortunes of the club?
Ok, I'll change my original quote.
I couldn't care less if O'Neill fucks off.
:)
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: ktvillan on August 04, 2010, 10:08:19 AM
If it's all down to market forces, having to sell first and things just not moving then fine. But O'Neill makes a habit/policy of very late signings and I just don't think it's a particularly bright thing to do. In my view football is not much different to any other activity - preparation prevents problems. Surely it's better to be prepared for the new season as early as possible, sort out your signings early on and they have time to do a full pre-season with you, get to know their team mates, settle in, etc. You also have a full strengh squad to choose from on day 1 rather than 3 or 4 games in. It probably cost us against Rapid Vienna last season, not that O'Neill seems bothered about the Europa league anyway. That's not unfair critcism, that's common sense.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: stevenjos on August 04, 2010, 10:09:23 AM
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: selly park trinity on August 04, 2010, 10:14:38 AM
Do you want a strong willed manager or a bloody drip so the idiots amongst the rabble can push around? Jesus wept!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 04, 2010, 10:16:15 AM
Naive statment that - DOL would have been crucified for saying it.
Not caring what people think would have been better phrased surely, more like ' we have until 31st August, I'm not being panicked into buying players, so my message to the fans is 'be patient', we're working on next season's squad and to providing the fans with a great season of football at Villa Park'.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2010, 10:17:45 AM
We have until 31st August, but the season starts on the 14th Martin.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Harte on August 04, 2010, 10:21:05 AM
It's occurred to me that the reason we supposedly have the likes of Habib Beye on daft money is at least in part due to O'Neill's habit of leaving things until the last minute.
Offer a player 20k p/w a few days before transfer deadline day and I'd imagine there's a good chance they'll wait and listen to other offers, hence there a gamble that we might not sign the target. Offer them 30 - 40k and they'll take your arm off.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 04, 2010, 10:21:26 AM
I couldnt care less whether fans couldnt care less that MON couldnt care less. He is paid to worry about getting results, not worry about what people think of his methods. We win games he stays, we lose games he goes. For me, thats the only thing that matters and in that respect he is in credit over the four years.
Very small, annoying crowds gatherered outside the wrong house today to complain about the bitterly harsh language used by Martin O'Neill to savagely lay into a section of supporters. They were only dispersed when the owners came out to present them with the right end of the stick. Ringleaders then wandered down the street randomly shouting at cats and fouling themselves.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: luke95 on August 04, 2010, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Naive statment that - DOL would have been crucified for saying it.
would that be before or after DOL continuely ripped into the fans ??
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: stevenjos on August 04, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
We have until 31st August, but the season starts on the 14th Martin.
It will be like season when we was knocked out of europe before he made any signings.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 10:24:26 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
We have until 31st August, but the season starts on the 14th Martin.
It will be like season when we was knocked out of europe before he made any signings.
You mean last season, when Delph and Beye were playing?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2010, 10:36:18 AM
Brian Clough did'nt care whatever anyone else thought of his management and i'm sure the majority of other Premiership manager's don't either. It's called having a thick skin, which is a vital thing to have in today's game.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2010, 10:41:41 AM
In other news, Villa fans get annoyed about cold weather in January.. it's the way Martin is, always has been and probably alwayswill be.
If it takes until deadline day to get the right players in, so be it. Judge him by his last transfer window and last summer he did the business.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: ktvillan on August 04, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
We have until 31st August, but the season starts on the 14th Martin.
It will be like season when we was knocked out of europe before he made any signings.
You mean last season, when Delph and Beye were playing?
But Dunne, Collins and Warnock, the players he is lauding, weren't. Those three could have made a big difference if signed earlier.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: "ktvillan"
But Dunne, Collins and Warnock, the players he is lauding, weren't. Those three could have made a big difference if signed earlier.
The question, as always, is were they available earlier? Dunne in particular was dependent on the Lescott deal. Had he moved earlier would we have got lesser players and ended up not having as good a season as we did?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 11:12:37 AM
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
We have until 31st August, but the season starts on the 14th Martin.
It will be like season when we was knocked out of europe before he made any signings.
You mean last season, when Delph and Beye were playing?
But Dunne, Collins and Warnock, the players he is lauding, weren't. Those three could have made a big difference if signed earlier.
It's a lot to do with the selling club, Dunne for example only became available when they signed Lescott. West Ham were expecting to sell Upson so wouldn't have agreed a deal for Collins too.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2010, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
We have until 31st August, but the season starts on the 14th Martin.
It will be like season when we was knocked out of europe before he made any signings.
You mean last season, when Delph and Beye were playing?
But Dunne, Collins and Warnock, the players he is lauding, weren't. Those three could have made a big difference if signed earlier.
It's a lot to do with the selling club, Dunne for example only became available when they signed Lescott. West Ham were expecting to sell Upson so wouldn't have agreed a deal for Collins too.
What? Do you mean, it's not just up to us? Others have a say in matters.
But why do others just come in and take our players?
sarcasm off.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: "Edvard Remberg"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
We have until 31st August, but the season starts on the 14th Martin.
It will be like season when we was knocked out of europe before he made any signings.
You mean last season, when Delph and Beye were playing?
But Dunne, Collins and Warnock, the players he is lauding, weren't. Those three could have made a big difference if signed earlier.
It's a lot to do with the selling club, Dunne for example only became available when they signed Lescott. West Ham were expecting to sell Upson so wouldn't have agreed a deal for Collins too.
What? Do you mean, it's not just up to us? Others have a say in matters.
But why do others just come in and take our players?
sarcasm off.
That's why Barry has been such a success at Anfield and Milner is looking the part at Man City.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 04, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
Of all the players signed by other teams so far, how many would we actually want, in terms of realistic signings (i.e. Joe Cole would never have signed for Villa)? I've counted none.
Maybe MON doesn't think the players he does want are worth the money being asked for them and so doesn't want to pay over the odds sending us spiralling into debt.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 04, 2010, 11:29:56 AM
Quote from: "Edvard Remberg"
But why do others just come in and take our players?
Have you ever wondered what the clubs who we can just go and take the players from, of which there is many, think?
There are only a few teams that our best players would leave us for. If you was lower in the league or divisions, there'd be a lot more teams who would come in and just take players.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2010, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Quote from: "Edvard Remberg"
But why do others just come in and take our players?
Have you ever wondered what the clubs who we can just go and take the players from, of which there is many, think?
There are only a few teams that our best players would leave us for. If you was lower in the league or divisions, there'd be a lot more teams who would come in and just take players.
I know - which is why i wrote it. All clubs want to keep their best players. And many would like to have a replacement before selling.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: cdward on August 04, 2010, 11:38:03 AM
I love coming on here to see what has offended people today.
The fact that a few lines taken out of context from a Daily Star journo can whip so many people into a frenzy is just laughable. MON is paid to get players and get results, so far he has been successful on both counts.
Can't wait to see what we all get offended by tomorrow.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: willywombat on August 04, 2010, 11:47:19 AM
I'm not offended, on the contrary, I think it's terrific, absolutely terrific
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: stevenjos on August 04, 2010, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: "cdward"
I love coming on here to see what has offended people today.
The fact that a few lines taken out of context from a Daily Star journo can whip so many people into a frenzy is just laughable. MON is paid to get players and get results, so far he has been successful on both counts.
Can't wait to see what we all get offended by tomorrow.
If you think he's been successful then you live in a balloon of mediocrity,
i love success players like marlon, emile, beye, routledge, maloney, shorey.
i love the results he got us against chelsea and man utd at wembley as well.
such a success!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 04, 2010, 11:53:14 AM
I like being offended, Im 53 and its what gets me out of bed in the morning.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
If you think he's been successful then you live in a balloon of mediocrity,
I'm offended by that.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: eastie on August 04, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
Even worse is the sky news report that mon says villa will benefit from heskey not playing international football- he obviously still sees heskey as a key player- heaven help us!
One reason dunne came late is that distin was mons first choice but he turned us down for everton,fortunately as things turned out.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 12:05:10 PM
Maybe he meant England will benefit by Heskey retiring?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: ktvillan on August 04, 2010, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ktvillan"
But Dunne, Collins and Warnock, the players he is lauding, weren't. Those three could have made a big difference if signed earlier.
The question, as always, is were they available earlier? Dunne in particular was dependent on the Lescott deal. Had he moved earlier would we have got lesser players and ended up not having as good a season as we did?
Reasonable point to an extent I suppose. There were delays to the Dunne signing. Garry Cooke had already alienated Dunne with his comments, so he was always going to go, but I seem to recall the delay was more to do with Dunne wanting some kind of loyalty bonus from City more than waiting for Lescott to arrive. Not sure about the Collins and Upson deal but I would have thought an acceptable offer for Collins at any time would have seen the deal done (a bit like O'Neill did when selling Knight) and they would just have stopped Upson going anywhere before securing a replacement. I don't recall any blocks to the Warnock transfer.
None of this alters the fact that regardless of circumstances O'Neill seems to make it a policy to sign late and other managers seem more willing/ able to secure the players they want earlier in the window. But then they are perhaps more willing to cast their net a little wider than the UK.
If he'd moved earlier he may have got lesser players, he may have got better players. Who knows? Perhaps it's just coincidence that MON's "first choices" are rarely avialable until late August.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2010, 12:10:12 PM
Didn't Blackburn want to get a replacement in for Warnock before letting him go?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2010, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Even worse is the sky news report that mon says villa will benefit from heskey not playing international football- he obviously still sees heskey as a key player- heaven help us!
One reason dunne came late is that distin was mons first choice but he turned us down for everton,fortunately as things turned out.
You state that as though it's fact.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "east19"
Even worse is the sky news report that mon says villa will benefit from heskey not playing international football- he obviously still sees heskey as a key player- heaven help us!
One reason dunne came late is that distin was mons first choice but he turned us down for everton,fortunately as things turned out.
You state that as though it's fact.
We certainly made an offer for him.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ktvillan"
But Dunne, Collins and Warnock, the players he is lauding, weren't. Those three could have made a big difference if signed earlier.
The question, as always, is were they available earlier? Dunne in particular was dependent on the Lescott deal. Had he moved earlier would we have got lesser players and ended up not having as good a season as we did?
Reasonable point to an extent I suppose. There were delays to the Dunne signing. Garry Cooke had already alienated Dunne with his comments, so he was always going to go, but I seem to recall the delay was more to do with Dunne wanting some kind of loyalty bonus from City more than waiting for Lescott to arrive. Not sure about the Collins and Upson deal but I would have thought an acceptable offer for Collins at any time would have seen the deal done (a bit like O'Neill did when selling Knight) and they would just have stopped Upson going anywhere before securing a replacement. I don't recall any blocks to the Warnock transfer.
None of this alters the fact that regardless of circumstances O'Neill seems to make it a policy to sign late and other managers seem more willing/ able to secure the players they want earlier in the window. But then they are perhaps more willing to cast their net a little wider than the UK.
If he'd moved earlier he may have got lesser players, he may have got better players. Who knows? Perhaps it's just coincidence that MON's "first choices" are rarely avialable until late August.
With Dunne the pay off from City delayed it by a few days, but that was after he had been given permission to talk to us, which didn't happen until they had secured Lescott.
But you're right - he does seem to prefer doing business late for whatever reason.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: rutski on August 04, 2010, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "cdward"
I love coming on here to see what has offended people today.
The fact that a few lines taken out of context from a Daily Star journo can whip so many people into a frenzy is just laughable. MON is paid to get players and get results, so far he has been successful on both counts.
Can't wait to see what we all get offended by tomorrow.
If you think he's been successful then you live in a balloon of mediocrity,
i love success players like marlon, emile, beye, routledge, maloney, shorey.
i love the results he got us against chelsea and man utd at wembley as well.
such a success!
did you also enjoy the previous 14 years with dolly, gtmk2,jg etc?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 04, 2010, 12:26:15 PM
Maybe there is some store in the fact of paying players wages for pre season and doing not their jobs but letting someone else do it and we pick them up and pay them as they hit the floor (Not in a Heskey girly kind of way)
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2010, 12:28:59 PM
We've got until the end of the month at the end of the day. We lost to Wigan on the opening day last season, not because we had'nt signed any players, because the whole team had a shocker. We then went up to Anfield with only Habib Beye as a new signing and won 3-1. Then i seem to remember us playing Cieran Clark against Fulham at home and we won 2-0.
If we're waiting for teams to let players go before he can get he's no.1 targets like he did with Dunne, then so be it. It's the way he works and it's the way he always will do.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 04, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
I am less perplexed this year than previously - is it due to us getting used to MON's way? Or is it down to the fact that so little movement / activity has taken place?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 04, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Some of you just want to be offended.
I'm still too offended by the picture of Ashley bullfighting to be bothered about this.
*sobs into handkerchief*
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2010, 12:33:03 PM
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Some of you just want to be offended.
I'm still too offended by the picture of Ashley bullfighting to be bothered about this.
*sobs into handkerchief*
Me too. I just wish someone, anyone, would think of the children in all this.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2010, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "east19"
Even worse is the sky news report that mon says villa will benefit from heskey not playing international football- he obviously still sees heskey as a key player- heaven help us!
One reason dunne came late is that distin was mons first choice but he turned us down for everton,fortunately as things turned out.
You state that as though it's fact.
We certainly made an offer for him.
Well we bought two centre backs. He may well have been looking to sign Distin and Dunne.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2010, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Some of you just want to be offended.
I'm still too offended by the picture of Ashley bullfighting to be bothered about this.
*sobs into handkerchief*
This made me titter. Very good.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 12:37:43 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Some of you just want to be offended.
I'm still too offended by the picture of Ashley bullfighting to be bothered about this.
*sobs into handkerchief*
This made me titter. Very good.
Bullfighting makes you titter? Are you one of them Spanish sadists??
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 04, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Some of you just want to be offended.
I'm still too offended by the picture of Ashley bullfighting to be bothered about this.
*sobs into handkerchief*
This made me titter. Very good.
Yeah I am sure the bull is tittering
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2010, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: "Quiet Lion"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Some of you just want to be offended.
I'm still too offended by the picture of Ashley bullfighting to be bothered about this.
*sobs into handkerchief*
This made me titter. Very good.
Yeah I am sure the bull is tittering
He is.
Ashley taunted him for hours, twisting and turning this way and that, but when he threw the spear it missed and sailed harmlessly into the crowd.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 04, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
What Martin Said:
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Honestly, I couldn’t care less whether I get unfairly criticised. “
What people read after they used their muppet filter to interpret his words:
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The fans ? Fuck em. Let those clown shoe wearing brummies spend their unemployment benefit on our cheap shirts made for 30p in China. I could not care less about them, all that matters to me is when I go home tonight I can snort a fat line of the arse of a barely legal eastern european whore"
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 04, 2010, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "Quiet Lion"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Some of you just want to be offended.
I'm still too offended by the picture of Ashley bullfighting to be bothered about this.
*sobs into handkerchief*
This made me titter. Very good.
Yeah I am sure the bull is tittering
He is.
Ashley taunted him for hours, twisting and turning this way and that, but when he threw the spear it missed and sailed harmlessly into the crowd.
For the record, that is offensive!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Legion on August 04, 2010, 12:57:10 PM
You might like to read this thread (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=39536).
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: not3bad on August 04, 2010, 12:58:25 PM
Quote from: "John M"
But you're right - he does seem to prefer doing business late for whatever reason.
I wonder if he's always the last one in the canteen at luchtime, using the logic that that's when he's likely to get price reductions and/or extra portions.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: ktvillan on August 04, 2010, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: "cdward"
I love coming on here to see what has offended people today.
The fact that a few lines taken out of context from a Daily Star journo can whip so many people into a frenzy is just laughable. MON is paid to get players and get results, so far he has been successful on both counts.
Can't wait to see what we all get offended by tomorrow.
I don't see anyone whipped into a frenzy, just a fairly reasonable discussion (and it is a discussion board after all) from both sides about whether MON is justified in not caring what anyone thinks of his tendency to make very late signings, and whether he is right to say any critcism of it is unfair. With hyperbole like that you too could be a Daily Star journo one day.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Dr Butler on August 04, 2010, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "John M"
But you're right - he does seem to prefer doing business late for whatever reason.
I wonder if he's always the last one in the canteen at luchtime, using the logic that that's when he's likely to get price reductions and/or extra portions.
Our Student's have been using those skills for years in our canteen and they seem to work fairly well for them.
The Doc
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 04, 2010, 01:17:28 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Brian Clough did'nt care whatever anyone else thought of his management and i'm sure the majority of other Premiership manager's don't either. It's called having a thick skin, which is a vital thing to have in today's game.
As somebody else said earlier. MON isn't fit to lace Cloughies boots. Everybody keeps going on about the similarities but forgive me if I got this wrong but didn't Brain Clough win a lot of trophies in the old First Division?
I'm not offended by what he said as I don't give a flying fuck anymore. You've heard one excuse from him and you've heard 'em all......
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Quote from: "cdward"
I love coming on here to see what has offended people today.
The fact that a few lines taken out of context from a Daily Star journo can whip so many people into a frenzy is just laughable. MON is paid to get players and get results, so far he has been successful on both counts.
Can't wait to see what we all get offended by tomorrow.
I don't see anyone whipped into a frenzy, just a fairly reasonable discussion (and it is a discussion board after all) from both sides about whether MON is justified in not caring what anyone thinks of his tendency to make very late signings, and whether he is right to say any critcism of it is unfair. With hyperbole like that you too could be a Daily Star journo one day.
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I for one dont really like the "could not care less" attitude we as supporters care about our club and we want to progress there is nothing wrong with that so why come out with stupid quote's like that.
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This is our club martin, and we will be here long after you are gone-I find his comments typical of him, stubborn and arrogant
Quote
He really is up his own arse isnt he?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2010, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
I do. I'm sure I'm not the only one either because stevenjos won't be the only fan thinking this way; far from it.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: themossman on August 04, 2010, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: "Hookeysmith"
As someone posted earlier it is alike buying a house in as much as there is a chain - once one starts then everything will start rolling - i would imagine the catalyst is Man City - if they stump up the cash for Milner then that will start the ball rolling
So far they have only spent their money over seas i think
I think you're right. In which case what would you do if you were in man city's shoes?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
I do. I'm sure I'm not the only one either because stevenjos won't be the only fan thinking this way; far from it.
No, but he will be the only one refusing to celebrate anytime Heskey scores a goal for us.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 04, 2010, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
I do. I'm sure I'm not the only one either because stevenjos won't be the only fan thinking this way; far from it.
I don't. This is a guy who refused to celebrate certain Villa goals and is now mocking people who are buying tickets for games. Even Villa Talk found him too annoying.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 01:44:36 PM
I'd like to add that I dont give a fuck what that eejit says either. Cheers.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2010, 01:48:34 PM
I don't give a fuck what anyone says.
Not even Jesus.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2010, 01:49:08 PM
Can we stop debating each other and return to the matter in hand, please?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 01:50:47 PM
Do we give fuck what Dave says? What's the general consensus?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: ROBBO on August 04, 2010, 01:52:06 PM
Remember the days before the internet when you never speculated who the club was interested in you only found out when the club mad the announcement. I really believe we were happier then. Can I hear violins.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Muscle-Dolphin on August 04, 2010, 02:18:21 PM
Although I understan MON's point of view, he might try being a little more subtle. Just saying......
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: "Muscle-Dolphin"
Although I understan MON's point of view, he might try being a little more subtle. Just saying......
Agreed but then part of the anger in his response could have been directed at the journalist for asking (in MON's eyes) such a stupid question and a complete lack of respect.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: stevenjos on August 04, 2010, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
I do. I'm sure I'm not the only one either because stevenjos won't be the only fan thinking this way; far from it.
No, but he will be the only one refusing to celebrate anytime Heskey scores a goal for us.
Yup. I wont be celebrating. It means he will stay for longer than him going on a 30 game no scoring streak.
and if you dont give a **** what i think then stop reading a message board. Write a note saying "everything is great at villa, i love our attractive football and our brilliant transfer policy" then put it in an envelope. Lick the lid (dont cut your lip now ;0) and stick it down. Write your address on it and post it to yourself. Then you can read something with only your opinion on it! :0D
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Irish villain on August 04, 2010, 02:30:51 PM
I would counter claim that it would have been better to have those three players in before the season started as three points against Wigan as opposed to zero could have been very important at the end of the season if the champion's league place came down to the wire.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2010, 02:39:05 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Quote from: "cdward"
I love coming on here to see what has offended people today.
The fact that a few lines taken out of context from a Daily Star journo can whip so many people into a frenzy is just laughable. MON is paid to get players and get results, so far he has been successful on both counts.
Can't wait to see what we all get offended by tomorrow.
I don't see anyone whipped into a frenzy, just a fairly reasonable discussion (and it is a discussion board after all) from both sides about whether MON is justified in not caring what anyone thinks of his tendency to make very late signings, and whether he is right to say any critcism of it is unfair. With hyperbole like that you too could be a Daily Star journo one day.
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I for one dont really like the "could not care less" attitude we as supporters care about our club and we want to progress there is nothing wrong with that so why come out with stupid quote's like that.
Quote
This is our club martin, and we will be here long after you are gone-I find his comments typical of him, stubborn and arrogant
Quote
He really is up his own arse isnt he?
Where's the frenzy there?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2010, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: "Irish villain"
I would counter claim that it would have been better to have those three players in before the season started as three points against Wigan as opposed to zero could have been very important at the end of the season if the champion's league place came down to the wire.
And I would counter your counter claim that if my granny had balls...
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
I don't really care if he cares or not, to be honest.
In fact, in a way, I'm glad he doesn't care, it is his decision to make, and he does things his way. The upshot of that is that if it works, he gets the credit, but if it doesn't work, he's the one looking like he fucked it up, nobody else.
Much ado about nothing.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
I do. I'm sure I'm not the only one either because stevenjos won't be the only fan thinking this way; far from it.
No, but he will be the only one refusing to celebrate anytime Heskey scores a goal for us.
Yup. I wont be celebrating. It means he will stay for longer than him going on a 30 game no scoring streak.
and if you dont give a **** what i think then stop reading a message board. Write a note saying "everything is great at villa, i love our attractive football and our brilliant transfer policy" then put it in an envelope. Lick the lid (dont cut your lip now ;0) and stick it down. Write your address on it and post it to yourself. Then you can read something with only your opinion on it! :0D
I'm not going to give up on a message board just because of an attention seeking dimwit like you.
Fortunately there are plenty of other people who while I might not agree with them, I am interested in what they've got to say.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2010, 02:50:07 PM
If the childish name calling / slagging off each other rather than each others ill thought-out, silly posts goes on (having been asked to stop once already), there will be a few early baths taken.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 02:50:26 PM
Quote
Where's the frenzy there?
There is a reaction based on a wilfull misinterpretaion of what the manager said.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2010, 02:54:55 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
Where's the frenzy there?
There is a reaction based on a wilfull misinterpretaion of what the manager said.
Hardly "a frenzy", though, surely?
Slightly dramatic.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2010, 02:58:15 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
Where's the frenzy there?
There is a reaction based on a wilfull misinterpretaion of what the manager said.
Hardly "a frenzy", though, surely?
Slightly dramatic.
In the interests of fairness, he's arguing with a person who won't celebrate a Villa player's goal. Maybe Chris shouldn't have got down into the mud to wrestle this particular pig.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
Where's the frenzy there?
There is a reaction based on a wilfull misinterpretaion of what the manager said.
Hardly "a frenzy", though, surely?
Slightly dramatic.
Frenzy wasn't my word, it was the line about "just a fairly reasonable discussion ... from both sides" that I was suggesting was not strictly true.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
Where's the frenzy there?
There is a reaction based on a wilfull misinterpretaion of what the manager said.
Hardly "a frenzy", though, surely?
Slightly dramatic.
I find the (willful?) misinterpretation of the article and the completely ridiculous reaction to it far more dramatic.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2010, 03:31:43 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I find the (willful?) misinterpretation of the article and the completely ridiculous reaction to it far more dramatic.
The only way this thread could be more dramatic is
... there we go.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 04, 2010, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
I do. I'm sure I'm not the only one either because stevenjos won't be the only fan thinking this way; far from it.
No, but he will be the only one refusing to celebrate anytime Heskey scores a goal for us.
Yup. I wont be celebrating. It means he will stay for longer than him going on a 30 game no scoring streak.
and if you dont give a **** what i think then stop reading a message board. Write a note saying "everything is great at villa, i love our attractive football and our brilliant transfer policy" then put it in an envelope. Lick the lid (dont cut your lip now ;0) and stick it down. Write your address on it and post it to yourself. Then you can read something with only your opinion on it! :0D
Or I'll continue to read and contribute and disagree with you when I see fit. Now, which do you think is more likely to happen?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: stevenjos on August 04, 2010, 03:48:43 PM
The mods asked us to stop bating each other. I have stopped and therefore wont reply.
back on topic.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 04, 2010, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
The mods asked us to stop masturbating each other. I have stopped and therefore wont reply.
back on topic.
Agreed.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: cdward on August 04, 2010, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: "cdward"
I love coming on here to see what has offended people today.
The fact that a few lines taken out of context from a Daily Star journo can whip so many people into a frenzy is just laughable. MON is paid to get players and get results, so far he has been successful on both counts.
Can't wait to see what we all get offended by tomorrow.
i wrote the word frenzy, -noun extreme mental agitation; wild excitement or derangement.
6 more pages of mental agitation, wild excitement and derangement later, i rest my case.
I also wrote the word whip, anyone outraged or offended by that?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 04, 2010, 05:28:19 PM
I think problem is football depend too much on Manchester City these days.
They tend to leave transfer for UK based players until few days before transfer deadline. Which give us teams like Arsenal, Us, Everton little time to buy replacement.
We need to stop depending on them and do the business.
Title: Re: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Tran
Post by: olaftab on August 04, 2010, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: not3bad
Quote
“Really, I’m not remotely interested,” he said. “Honestly, I couldn’t care less whether I get unfairly criticised".
Except he does not like fan's moaning or getting booed now and than!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2010, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
Where's the frenzy there?
There is a reaction based on a wilfull misinterpretaion of what the manager said.
Hardly "a frenzy", though, surely?
Slightly dramatic.
Not nearly as dramatic as the reaction from the nutters on here to what O'Neill said.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: lookslikedad on August 04, 2010, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
Mr Smith... stop including the word 'we' in your posts.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: MalcolmP on August 04, 2010, 08:03:23 PM
Quote from: "Hookeysmith"
As someone posted earlier it is alike buying a house in as much as there is a chain - once one starts then everything will start rolling - i would imagine the catalyst is Man City - if they stump up the cash for Milner then that will start the ball rolling
So far they have only spent their money over seas i think
Disagree with your logic - Barry was sold within days of the season ending last year - we still didn't spend until end of August
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
The world is full of powerful people doing the right things for the wrong reasons. I believe that Martin O'Neill is wrong to huff and puff in the transfer market. My son Damon expressed it perfectly when he said MON buys players like they are Faberge eggs. However my best hope for the season ahead is for our youngsters to be given their chances and to come good. If the manager misses out on overpriced old has-beens I rate that as a result.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Leighton on August 05, 2010, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: "brian green"
My son Damon expressed it perfectly when he said MON buys players like they are Faberge eggs.
I would be quite happy if he just went and signed some Kinder Eggs. We at might least get a few nice surprises then…
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Dave Clark Five on August 05, 2010, 05:01:26 AM
Quite a lot of supporters 'couldn't care less' about renewing their season tickets while the transfer activity is so dull.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: villajk on August 05, 2010, 05:03:08 AM
Quote from: "Leighton"
Quote from: "brian green"
My son Damon expressed it perfectly when he said MON buys players like they are Faberge eggs.
I would be quite happy if he just went and signed some Kinder Eggs. We at might least get a few nice surprises then…
Clappy thingy.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 08:11:10 AM
We need to get rid of the coffee ones from our bag of Revels.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2010, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
We need to get rid of the coffee ones from our bag of Revels.
Unfortunately, in this bag, it's the orange one that needs fucking off.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 08:24:55 AM
But I like Awwwrange.
(Not really)
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Greg N'Ash on August 05, 2010, 08:28:05 AM
He may not care less about being "unfairly criticised", but it obviously bothers him when its fair criticism as that article proves
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 05, 2010, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: "dave clark five"
Quite a lot of supporters 'couldn't care less' about renewing their season tickets while the transfer activity is so dull.
Agreed - I was all excited about coming back to the UK but NOTHING has happened at the club to make me want to buy a season ticket. In fact I'm struggling to find motivation to buy tickets for the Wet Spam match.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Chris Smith on August 05, 2010, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: "lookslikedad"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
He thinks he's been unfairly criticised. He really is up his own arse isnt he?
hopefully another season or two and hes gone and we can move on the best we can after his spending.
Enjoy everyone whos paying for tickets this season, he couldnt care less what you think....
And we don't give a fuck what you think.
Mr Smith... stop including the word 'we' in your posts.
What an odd little intervention. I can speak for several people "paying for tickets" this season who don't give a fuck what stevenjos thinks so it's perfectly valid. I think most of us are able to read MONs comments without coming to the hysterical conclusion that it means he doesn't give a fuck what we think.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Risso on August 05, 2010, 09:11:50 AM
Chris, the only hysterical "couldn't give a fuck what you think" comment came from you, sp pack it in.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 05, 2010, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: "MalcolmP"
Quote from: "Hookeysmith"
As someone posted earlier it is alike buying a house in as much as there is a chain - once one starts then everything will start rolling - i would imagine the catalyst is Man City - if they stump up the cash for Milner then that will start the ball rolling
So far they have only spent their money over seas i think
Disagree with your logic - Barry was sold within days of the season ending last year - we still didn't spend until end of August
Apart from spending £12m on Downing, which was the fee we got for Barry, in the middle of July you're 100% accurate.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 05, 2010, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
We need to get rid of the coffee ones from our bag of Revels.
Unfortunately, in this bag, it's the orange one that needs fucking off.
We got rid of Lee Hendrie years ago.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 05, 2010, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
He may not care less about being "unfairly criticised", but it obviously bothers him when its fair criticism as that article proves
OK, I'll bite - how does what he's said prove that?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 10:32:50 AM
Dont bite, John. He's like the little floating Vampire dude from Salem's Lot. He's looking for a way in.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Greg N'Ash on August 05, 2010, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "gregnash"
He may not care less about being "unfairly criticised", but it obviously bothers him when its fair criticism as that article proves
OK, I'll bite - how does what he's said prove that?
Might as well have said "am i bothered?" Me thinks he protests too much but how wanting the players to have actually met, trained together and got some understanding before the season starts can be classed as unfair criticism is beyond me
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 11:06:02 AM
He's not 'protesting' at all. He was directly asked what he thought about his reputation for moving late in the transfer market and replied that he's not bothered if thats what people think as he did good business in the end. He used the example of Dunne, Collins and Warnock to prove it and he's right.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Greg N'Ash on August 05, 2010, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
He's not 'protesting' at all. He was directly asked what he thought about his reputation for moving late in the transfer market and replied that he's not bothered if thats what people think as he did good business in the end. He used the example of Dunne, Collins and Warnock to prove it and he's right.
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that leaving it till the last minute is the best option. I think i'll go with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 05, 2010, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "gregnash"
He may not care less about being "unfairly criticised", but it obviously bothers him when its fair criticism as that article proves
OK, I'll bite - how does what he's said prove that?
Might as well have said "am i bothered?" Me thinks he protests too much but how wanting the players to have actually met, trained together and got some understanding before the season starts can be classed as unfair criticism is beyond me
As Mazrim said, you can't confuse answering a direct question with a desire to protest. And that's your opinion - his seems to be that that the issues you raise, which do have some validity, are not as important as making sure he gets the players he wants at the right prices, which he did in his late August 09 deals.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
He's not 'protesting' at all. He was directly asked what he thought about his reputation for moving late in the transfer market and replied that he's not bothered if thats what people think as he did good business in the end. He used the example of Dunne, Collins and Warnock to prove it and he's right.
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that leaving it till the last minute is the best option. I think i'll go with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something
I dont really care what you're convinced of or not. And nowhere did I say leaving it until the last minute is the best option. You said he's protesting too much and you're making things up again.
As for going "with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something" well I'm not sure what you're babbling on about but most business in any transfer window is done in the last couple of weeks.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Greg N'Ash on August 05, 2010, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
He's not 'protesting' at all. He was directly asked what he thought about his reputation for moving late in the transfer market and replied that he's not bothered if thats what people think as he did good business in the end. He used the example of Dunne, Collins and Warnock to prove it and he's right.
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that leaving it till the last minute is the best option. I think i'll go with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something
I dont really care what you're convinced of or not. And nowhere did I say leaving it until the last minute is the best option. You said he's protesting too much and you're making things up again.
As for going "with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something" well I'm not sure what you're babbling on about but most business in any transfer window is done in the last couple of weeks.
Except nearly everyone has new faces in. some 2, 3 or more
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 11:35:56 AM
Yes, we know. And as long as he gets the business right, I don't care.
Has a lot of significant business been done? Has it bollocks. Everybody who is going to do any serious business this window is still waiting, Man City aside.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 12:31:25 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
He's not 'protesting' at all. He was directly asked what he thought about his reputation for moving late in the transfer market and replied that he's not bothered if thats what people think as he did good business in the end. He used the example of Dunne, Collins and Warnock to prove it and he's right.
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that leaving it till the last minute is the best option. I think i'll go with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something
I dont really care what you're convinced of or not. And nowhere did I say leaving it until the last minute is the best option. You said he's protesting too much and you're making things up again.
As for going "with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something" well I'm not sure what you're babbling on about but most business in any transfer window is done in the last couple of weeks.
Except nearly everyone has new faces in. some 2, 3 or more
And in case you hadn't noticed, all but five of those clubs consistently finish below us in the league - and all five who finished above us last year were much richer than us (or, in the case of Arsenal, have years of development on us).
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2010, 12:55:15 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
He's not 'protesting' at all. He was directly asked what he thought about his reputation for moving late in the transfer market and replied that he's not bothered if thats what people think as he did good business in the end. He used the example of Dunne, Collins and Warnock to prove it and he's right.
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that leaving it till the last minute is the best option. I think i'll go with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something
I dont really care what you're convinced of or not. And nowhere did I say leaving it until the last minute is the best option. You said he's protesting too much and you're making things up again.
As for going "with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something" well I'm not sure what you're babbling on about but most business in any transfer window is done in the last couple of weeks.
Except nearly everyone has new faces in. some 2, 3 or more
Maybe that's because those teams have let players go. Other than Harewood and Bouma, we've not let anyone go yet.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: mshurst on August 05, 2010, 03:53:28 PM
I reckon this has come about because MON has something big planned.
Like a big team bbq, or a fancy dress party.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: not3bad on August 05, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
I reckon this has come about because MON has something big planned.
Like a big team bbq, or a fancy dress party.
Has anyone done the Rooney and Heskey can dress up as Shrek and Donkey joke?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Concrete John on August 05, 2010, 04:04:30 PM
What do you mean 'dress up'??
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: old man villa fan on August 05, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Sorry but you're not going to convince me that leaving it till the last minute is the best option. I think i'll go with the rest of the premiership on this one and the managers in it who've actually achieved something
Like Wenger? Now, that was late!
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: sfx412 on August 05, 2010, 10:09:49 PM
2 things, firstly at Leicester, then Celtic and now at Villa O'Neill has always left his transfer dealings until late on and nearly always ends up paying over the odds and put the players on too high a wage. Why do people still expect him to change. The man hates the transfer window, he can't cope with it, he prefers to buy players in the season as he needs them.
Secondly judging by the rash of Mon supporters who rushed out of their hidy holes to his defence by attacking their fellow fans as they always do, there must be a point somewhere that he is knocking Villa fans.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
2 things, firstly at Leicester, then Celtic and now at Villa O'Neill has always left his transfer dealings until late on and nearly always ends up paying over the odds and put the players on too high a wage. Why do people still expect him to change. The man hates the transfer window, he can't cope with it, he prefers to buy players in the season as he needs them.
Interesting. So he basically waits for the season to start, sees deficiencies and then signs players to fill those an a panicky whim. Yes? If so, I imagine he does most of his business in January, as that's when deficiencies are best known.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: sfx412 on August 06, 2010, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "sfx412"
2 things, firstly at Leicester, then Celtic and now at Villa O'Neill has always left his transfer dealings until late on and nearly always ends up paying over the odds and put the players on too high a wage. Why do people still expect him to change. The man hates the transfer window, he can't cope with it, he prefers to buy players in the season as he needs them.
Interesting. So he basically waits for the season to start, sees deficiencies and then signs players to fill those an a panicky whim. Yes? If so, I imagine he does most of his business in January, as that's when deficiencies are best known.
I'm just paraphrasing what he's said in the past about the transfer window and his dislike for it If you wish to pick another irrelevant argument send Mon a letter he likes answering them in time I don't think he's right but his track record suggests he isn't going to change and despite all the excuses on offer I doubt as his comments on Sky show he cares much what you or I think anyway.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: nadz3488 on August 06, 2010, 04:07:15 PM
Maybe he's waiting for the bargains....:P
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 06, 2010, 04:24:58 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
2 things, firstly at Leicester, then Celtic and now at Villa O'Neill has always left his transfer dealings until late on and nearly always ends up paying over the odds and put the players on too high a wage. Why do people still expect him to change. The man hates the transfer window, he can't cope with it, he prefers to buy players in the season as he needs them.
Secondly judging by the rash of Mon supporters who rushed out of their hidy holes to his defence by attacking their fellow fans as they always do, there must be a point somewhere that he is knocking Villa fans.
At Leicester? Are you sure?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 06, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: "nadz3488"
Maybe he's waiting for the bargains....:P
He's waiting for something.
It's like constipation how MON seems to handle the transfer windows, like he can't dump, won't dump :-)
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 06, 2010, 04:47:30 PM
"Shit or get off the pot" as my Grand Dad might have remarked
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: The Situation on August 06, 2010, 04:54:36 PM
My biggest concern when it comes to the transfer window(s) regarding O'Neill is that he never friggin buys someone who plays outside of Britain... argh!
What also concerns me is that he buys players like Emule and always misses out on players we've either been strongly linked and close to signing or just passes on a player who could be really useful for us i.e Defoe, Defour, Hleb etc...
Swallow your stupid wannabe Clough pride, O'Neill; start seeing the obvious on who we should buy and start signing some players. If O'Neill wants us to progess, why is he doing jack shit yet again?
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 06, 2010, 05:04:55 PM
Quote from: "cheltenhamlion"
"Shit or get off the pot" as my Grand Dad might have remarked
Advice number 2.
2. Don't ignore the urge to sign. Peristalsis of the squad - the movements that trigger a fresh signing - come and go. If you ignore this urge, you may lose the opportunity.
Title: Martin O'Neill "Couldn't Care Less" About Transfer
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 06, 2010, 05:09:30 PM