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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Phil from the upper holte on July 09, 2010, 09:20:25 PM
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By Dan Harrison
Martin O'Neill has reiterated his desire to strengthen Villa's squad, as they look to compete with the Barclays Premier League's big guns once again.
The club have inevitably been linked with a host of players as summer transfer activity around the top flight begins to hot up.
Adding players to his ranks is a priority for O'Neill in the coming weeks, with the Villa boss admitting it is essential if they are to sustain their challenge in the upper echelons of the league.
"There is a lot of speculation, obviously, at this time of the year and it will hot up now over the next couple of weeks," he said.
"From my own viewpoint, I would like players to stay here and try and build. Sometimes that is not always possible but we have got a couple of weeks now and we will review the position.
"But for us to have even the same sort of season as last year, one, we would have to be a bit lucky and, two, we would have to try and strengthen."
O'Neill anticipates even fiercer competition in the top flight this season, with a number of teams looking to bolster their squads.
Two of Villa's main rivals for European places last season - Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur - are tipped to be among the most active clubs before the transfer window closes at the end of August.
The gaffer reckons City - who have already splashed out on Germany international Jerome Boateng, skilful Spaniard David Silva and midfield powerhouse Yaya Toure - arguably have the strongest squad in the league.
However, he insists it will not stop Villa trying to compete with them, as they did so valiantly last term.
"You look at what has happened at Manchester City - they have bought a lot of players now and they've got probably, I would say at this minute, what may well be the strongest squad in the business and they are looking to add more players to it," added O'Neill.
"From that viewpoint, it is going to be hard. Tottenham Hotspur will, because of their status in the Champions League, try and improve as well, so it won't be easy.
"Having said this, it is still worthwhile chasing it."
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/FootballNewsDetail/0,,10265~2087872,00.html
Here we go, that time of the year again!
Think there could be a wee bit of a hint Milners off in there
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At least he admits the fact we need to add.
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True
It should be blatently obvious though.
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I think Spurs in the Champions League will be to the detriment of their Premier League form.
And Villa being linked with a host of players?
Who, Stephen Ireland and Robbie Keane and ...
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sing us another one, just like the other one, sing us another Mon.
As he said its that time of year.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
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How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
It is in the blood Villa till i die.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
An interest? Ha! Try obsession. Speaking only for myself, its because I'm in love.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Maybe as we think they're at least trying to do more than the bare minimum?
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
An interest? Ha! Try obsession. Speaking only for myself, its because I'm in love.
Yup. Pretty much. Might get a bit frustrated, disappointed, even angry, but still in love, and that makes the highs so much higher.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Like you said mate, you've only been a fan for 4 years.
You woudnt make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about football.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Its like supporting the Browns...you just live in hope one day your time will come.
Its the joy of being a sports fan.
Its easy to support a winner !!!
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Like you said mate, you've only been a fan for 4 years.
You woudnt make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about football.
Not sure it's worth a daft arse statement that you've just given him. It seems a perfectly reasonable question to me.
You maintain an interest because it's your local team and you will support them wherever they go. Put simply, you just do. I'm not sure there is any full-blown explanation other than that and it's your team, so you just do.
If, however, they're not your local team, then I have no idea why you supported Villa in the first place, let alone maintaining an interest.
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its the way we do it Fargo Villan, fun init. Must admit its been much worse in the last 4 seasons but hey ho its been harder in past times. Welcome to the fold it gets in the blood and then you are hooked Managers,even owners, come and go but Villa fans stick with it through thick and thin.
Enjoy :)
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By Dan Harrison
Martin O'Neill has reiterated his desire to strengthen Villa's squad, as they look to compete with the Barclays Premier League's big guns once again.
The club have inevitably been linked with a host of players as summer transfer activity around the top flight begins to hot up.
Adding players to his ranks is a priority for O'Neill in the coming weeks, with the Villa boss admitting it is essential if they are to sustain their challenge in the upper echelons of the league.
"There is a lot of speculation, obviously, at this time of the year and it will hot up now over the next couple of weeks," he said.
"From my own viewpoint, I would like players to stay here and try and build. Sometimes that is not always possible but we have got a couple of weeks now and we will review the position.
"But for us to have even the same sort of season as last year, one, we would have to be a bit lucky and, two, we would have to try and strengthen."
O'Neill anticipates even fiercer competition in the top flight this season, with a number of teams looking to bolster their squads.
Two of Villa's main rivals for European places last season - Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur - are tipped to be among the most active clubs before the transfer window closes at the end of August.
The gaffer reckons City - who have already splashed out on Germany international Jerome Boateng, skilful Spaniard David Silva and midfield powerhouse Yaya Toure - arguably have the strongest squad in the league.
However, he insists it will not stop Villa trying to compete with them, as they did so valiantly last term.
"You look at what has happened at Manchester City - they have bought a lot of players now and they've got probably, I would say at this minute, what may well be the strongest squad in the business and they are looking to add more players to it," added O'Neill.
"From that viewpoint, it is going to be hard. Tottenham Hotspur will, because of their status in the Champions League, try and improve as well, so it won't be easy.
"Having said this, it is still worthwhile chasing it."
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/FootballNewsDetail/0,,10265~2087872,00.html
Here we go, that time of the year again!
Think there could be a wee bit of a hint Milners off in there
Were these quotes from Mon cut and pasted from last summer?
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deja vu?
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deja vu?
You can say that again.
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Martin seems to be losing his enthuisiasm for the job, which is a pity because it helps to keep us all going
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By Dan Harrison
Martin O'Neill has reiterated his desire to strengthen Villa's squad, as they look to compete with the Barclays Premier League's big guns once again.
The club have inevitably been linked with a host of players as summer transfer activity around the top flight begins to hot up.
Adding players to his ranks is a priority for O'Neill in the coming weeks, with the Villa boss admitting it is essential if they are to sustain their challenge in the upper echelons of the league.
"There is a lot of speculation, obviously, at this time of the year and it will hot up now over the next couple of weeks," he said.
"From my own viewpoint, I would like players to stay here and try and build. Sometimes that is not always possible but we have got a couple of weeks now and we will review the position.
"But for us to have even the same sort of season as last year, one, we would have to be a bit lucky and, two, we would have to try and strengthen."
O'Neill anticipates even fiercer competition in the top flight this season, with a number of teams looking to bolster their squads.
Two of Villa's main rivals for European places last season - Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur - are tipped to be among the most active clubs before the transfer window closes at the end of August.
The gaffer reckons City - who have already splashed out on Germany international Jerome Boateng, skilful Spaniard David Silva and midfield powerhouse Yaya Toure - arguably have the strongest squad in the league.
However, he insists it will not stop Villa trying to compete with them, as they did so valiantly last term. "You look at what has happened at Manchester City - they have bought a lot of players now and they've got probably, I would say at this minute, what may well be the strongest squad in the business and they are looking to add more players to it," added O'Neill.
"From that viewpoint, it is going to be hard. Tottenham Hotspur will, because of their status in the Champions League, try and improve as well, so it won't be easy.
"Having said this, it is still worthwhile chasing it."
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/FootballNewsDetail/0,,10265~2087872,00.html
Here we go, that time of the year again!
Think there could be a wee bit of a hint Milners off in there
talk about preparing you for disappointment. no-one spends as much as citeh martin and no-one is asking you to compete with them, but you've had a lot of money as the 30m worth of players you are looking to offload this summer proves. spurs have cl status because redknapp spent his money better than you. we are not some skint little club doing it on the cheap unless randy's told you different?
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It's one thing buying players it's another thing playing them. MON has his favourites and others just play a bit part role. The players then vent their frustration and that's where it ends for them. Look at Luke Young, Shorey and Coker. I'm sure Warnock was carrying a knock last season, but he kept playing him week in week out. At the end of last season Dunne was not going forward for corners because he was struggling to get back in position. No point in a squad if you don't use them. I know we have been lucky with injuries in recent seasons, but if you don't give squad players a run out, when you want them to do a job they will struggle with form.
Another disappointment for me last season was the lack of opportunity for the youngsters like Albrighton, Fonz & Ciaran Clark. Giving them 20 minutes, when we are beating the likes of Hull, Burnley & Bolton, would do their confidence the power of good.
Why Villa? It's in the blood. Arguably the last four years under MON have been our best in recent times. We go away from home expecting to win and more often than not we do. Last season we had two Wembley appearences, but we haven't won a major trophy in a long time. Too many draws at home! I just think at times our play is boring and predictable and at home very uninspiring. No Plan B! Let's hope this season the home performances improve.
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I myself and friends think with the right buy's we can make the top four we need three or four good player's if luke young go's (hope not) then will need a right back, midfielder, and a striker.
But i think mon will get it right and being a fanatical villa fan since i was able to walk it's in the blood.
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deja vu?
You can say that again.
.I'm sure you've said it before...??
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I don't get this... We actually do have a strong squad!
Reo-Coker, Davies, Luke Young and Habib Beye are all perfectly serviceable footballers who could play they just don't get picked! Petrov, Warnock and Dunne all looked clapped out in the run in last season. Yet they did not get rested despite the fact these reasonable enough players were left completely unused.
Doubtlessly we will sign more players as cover that he will never ever pick to replace the six. It's just a waste of time and money.
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I don't get this... We actually do have a strong squad!
Reo-Coker, Davies, Luke Young and Habib Beye are all perfectly serviceable footballers who could play they just don't get picked! Petrov, Warnock and Dunne all looked clapped out in the run in last season. Yet they did not get rested despite the fact these reasonable enough players were left completely unused.
Doubtlessly we will sign more players as cover that he will never ever pick to replace the six. It's just a waste of time and money.
I agree the squad is fine overall, what we need to add is quality.
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Absolutely.
We need to make guys like Petrov, Carew and Gabby to name but three fear for their place.
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Real stiring stuff, hold on to your seats
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Like you said mate, you've only been a fan for 4 years.
You woudnt make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about football.
That's bang out of order. We all started our love of this club somewhere.
But then again, you've only posted on here for less than 2 years. You wouldn't make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about treating other fans with a bit of respect.
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I don't get this... We actually do have a strong squad!
Reo-Coker, Davies, Luke Young and Habib Beye are all perfectly serviceable footballers who could play they just don't get picked! Petrov, Warnock and Dunne all looked clapped out in the run in last season. Yet they did not get rested despite the fact these reasonable enough players were left completely unused.
Doubtlessly we will sign more players as cover that he will never ever pick to replace the six. It's just a waste of time and money.
I agree the squad is fine overall, what we need to add is quality.
Agree with Sandy, I can't help but wonder though, if MON did a bit more rotation/substituting if we'd have gone the distance last season.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Like you said mate, you've only been a fan for 4 years.
You woudnt make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about football.
What an absolute charmer you are.
I suggest you familiarise yourself with the site rules, and then come back with a different attitude.
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Real stiring stuff, hold on to your seats
I suggest they keep him away from the season ticket campaign.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Like you said mate, you've only been a fan for 4 years.
You woudnt make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about football.
What an absolute charmer you are.
I suggest you familiarise yourself with the site rules, and then come back with a different attitude.
the sentiments are right but not the delivery. Not sure who this Fargo is but it doesn't sound like someone who really supports Villa.
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Real stiring stuff, hold on to your seats
I suggest they keep him away from the season ticket campaign.
Agree.
Unless we head it
PROUD HISTORY, MEDIOCRE FUTURE.
Renew NOW and join MON and the boys on our march to 8th position.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Like you said mate, you've only been a fan for 4 years.
You woudnt make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about football.
That's bang out of order. We all started our love of this club somewhere.
But then again, you've only posted on here for less than 2 years. You wouldn't make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about treating other fans with a bit of respect.
good one...
but heroesandvillains, is a website which contains a message board. It allows people to air their ignorant / ill informed / constructive / well thought / pathetic / very good or otherwise arguments as they see fit. However, it also allows certain people, (we'll refer to them as mods) to ban people (probably like they will now) to think they have a little authority in their lives, and control the way people air their opinions.
It'd be different if I called the guy a c*** for example??
The fact this site has rules is something in itself. The Internet is a form of free speach, if you want to stifle this, then your as bad as China for not allowing a search engine to prosper in their country.
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You really are a prat aren't you.
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The fact this site has rules is something in itself. The Internet is a form of free speach, if you want to stifle this, then your as bad as China for not allowing a search engine to prosper in their country.
Free speech?
As in allowing you to have a dig at all and sundry?
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but heroesandvillains, is a website which contains a message board. It allows people to air their ignorant / ill informed / constructive / well thought / pathetic / very good or otherwise arguments as they see fit. However, it also allows certain people, (we'll refer to them as mods) to ban people (probably like they will now) to think they have a little authority in their lives, and
The crucial thing you seem to be missing is that whilst lots and lots of us disagree on everything to do with the club, we're able to do so whilst showing each other a bit of respect and not acting like sneering, aggressive idots, which is something you've managed to get away with for a long time now.
Anyway. Good ranting, but I'm Howard Webb, and you're Johnny Heitinga, so guesss what?
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I don't get this... We actually do have a strong squad!
Reo-Coker, Davies, Luke Young and Habib Beye are all perfectly serviceable footballers who could play they just don't get picked! Petrov, Warnock and Dunne all looked clapped out in the run in last season. Yet they did not get rested despite the fact these reasonable enough players were left completely unused.
Doubtlessly we will sign more players as cover that he will never ever pick to replace the six. It's just a waste of time and money.
I agree the squad is fine overall, what we need to add is quality.
Agree with Sandy, I can't help but wonder though, if MON did a bit more rotation/substituting if we'd have gone the distance last season.
The thing for me is that they shouldn't have been used more when the 1st teamers were 'clapped out', but earlier so that this scenario never actually occurs. Prevention rather than cure!
We do need to remember that NRC and Davies had reasonable injury spells when they couldn't be used, but overall MON does need to balance his resources better!
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The people who scream "free speech" loudest are always the ones who abuse the privilege.
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Is there any point buying players for anything other than cover if when bought they are not picked.
Last summer Mon bought Downing who was unable to play at a big price,and Delph, again at a high price, who when he was chosen, didn't do enough. He also used an injured Davies, a player he'd spent lots on and hardly played for a season, until last minute buys bought in decent defenders, only for said expensive Davies never to play again.
He bought Beye and continued to ignore Luke Young, Beye, and play a cb at right back. Why?
When we have been short of strikers for some time, he bought Heskey, he has Carew, yet Gabby is the main striker picked.
I don't see the plan to it at all, it seems just a waste of RL's money, which could have been spent on different areas of the pitch, more wisely.
For me Mon would be better not spending what he has unless what he buys is good enough to replace an existing first pick.
It would save money and hopefully grow what we have which isn't a top 4 side but one not far of it.
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He also used an injured Davies, a player he'd spent lots on and hardly played for a season, until last minute buys bought in decent defenders, only for said expensive Davies never to play again.
The said expensive Davies did'nt play most of last season because he was injured, which he picked up at Liverpool away.
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I've only been a Villa supporter since 2006 when Lerner became owner, so I'm a novice compared to most posters here. But it seems to me that every summer transfer window starts this way. And it all ends in disappointment. It is just so frustrating! How do you all maintain an interest in a club only willing to do the bare minimum each year to maintain this 6th/7th place in the table?
Like you said mate, you've only been a fan for 4 years.
You woudnt make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about football.
That's bang out of order. We all started our love of this club somewhere.
But then again, you've only posted on here for less than 2 years. You wouldn't make such a daft arse statement if you had any clue about treating other fans with a bit of respect.
good one...
but heroesandvillains, is a website which contains a message board. It allows people to air their ignorant / ill informed / constructive / well thought / pathetic / very good or otherwise arguments as they see fit. However, it also allows certain people, (we'll refer to them as mods) to ban people (probably like they will now) to think they have a little authority in their lives, and control the way people air their opinions.
It'd be different if I called the guy a c*** for example??
The fact this site has rules is something in itself. The Internet is a form of free speach, if you want to stifle this, then your as bad as China for not allowing a search engine to prosper in their country.
And the site rules say that writing anything like "I bet I get banned for this" WILL lead to a ban. And drawing comparisons between moderation on H&V and the Communist rule in China is going a little far bit dont you think? Fair play for not calling us all Nazis though. It makes a change.
There's free speech and there's being down right rude. If you want to be rude I suggest you open up a website and say all your nasty things there.
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Martin seems to be losing his enthuisiasm for the job, which is a pity because it helps to keep us all going
I bloody well hope not !
I thnk he's been on holiday and is back in his office now hopefully sorting next season out.
Until the Milner saga is sorted ( sooner the better) we aren't able to make concrete plans.
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Martin seems to be losing his enthuisiasm for the job, which is a pity because it helps to keep us all going
I bloody well hope not !
I thnk he's been on holiday and is back in his office now hopefully sorting next season out.
Until the Milner saga is sorted ( sooner the better) we aren't able to make concrete plans.
This is unfortunately true.
I wonder if Martin actually has two lists of targets - one for if Milner stays and one if he has an extra £25m to spend? Or maybe it's even tactical, as he wants/expects Ireland in part-ex, so that would change the balance of the team given his differences to Milner?
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Are you talking a plan a AND a plan b ?? !!!!
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The people who scream "free speech" loudest are always the ones who abuse the privilege.
Its always the same people who want to 'be able to call a spade a spade' if you catch my drift. Kryten's displayed his politics in the off-topic section, however, a prat is a prat, no matter where they post.
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The people who scream "free speech" loudest are always the ones who abuse the privilege.
Its always the same people who want to 'be able to call a spade a spade' if you catch my drift. Kryten's displayed his politics in the off-topic section, however, a prat is a prat, no matter where they post.
What was the guy's name, On The Wood, was it? He posted some of the most, well, stereotypically racist stuff on the World Cup thread before Dave banned him. It was tragic.
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He also used an injured Davies, a player he'd spent lots on and hardly played for a season, until last minute buys bought in decent defenders, only for said expensive Davies never to play again.
The said expensive Davies did'nt play most of last season because he was injured, which he picked up at Liverpool away.
I bow to your superior knowledge, although I had thought his shoulder injury was a recurring problem that he'd suffered for some time which came to a head early August. He was i'd thought back in contention for some time after his surgery only for his ankle injury putting him out from mid April. I'd have thought he had had plenty of time to get back in but hey ho. Same with his first season with us when we'd paid for him on loan, I don't remember many games in the first eleven but my memory is not so good and I'm not enough of a pedant to check back and look.
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The people who scream "free speech" loudest are always the ones who abuse the privilege.
Its always the same people who want to 'be able to call a spade a spade' if you catch my drift. Kryten's displayed his politics in the off-topic section, however, a prat is a prat, no matter where they post.
What was the guy's name, On The Wood, was it? He posted some of the most, well, stereotypically racist stuff on the World Cup thread before Dave banned him. It was tragic.
Didn't see that, got a link?
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The people who scream "free speech" loudest are always the ones who abuse the privilege.
Its always the same people who want to 'be able to call a spade a spade' if you catch my drift. Kryten's displayed his politics in the off-topic section, however, a prat is a prat, no matter where they post.
What was the guy's name, On The Wood, was it? He posted some of the most, well, stereotypically racist stuff on the World Cup thread before Dave banned him. It was tragic.
Didn't see that, got a link?
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=39158&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
On this page and the next one. He rounds off with quite a classic one-liner.
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I bow to your superior knowledge, although I had thought his shoulder injury was a recurring problem that he'd suffered for some time which came to a head early August. He was i'd thought back in contention for some time after his surgery only for his ankle injury putting him out from mid April. I'd have thought he had had plenty of time to get back in but hey ho. Same with his first season with us when we'd paid for him on loan, I don't remember many games in the first eleven but my memory is not so good and I'm not enough of a pedant to check back and look.
14 appearance in first season... he did his achilles in the last match he played that season against arsenal and was out for about 7 or 8 months, i think...
45 appearances second season... shouldnt have played 15 games at the back end of the season though, and played with his shoulder strapped for the remainder of the season and form was poor due to that.. he gained injury in the fa cup defeat to everton...
5 appearances last season... shoulder surgery after the fa cup game against brighton, as it still wasnt right... surprised we didnt see much of him towards the end of the season though...
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The people who scream "free speech" loudest are always the ones who abuse the privilege.
Its always the same people who want to 'be able to call a spade a spade' if you catch my drift. Kryten's displayed his politics in the off-topic section, however, a prat is a prat, no matter where they post.
What was the guy's name, On The Wood, was it? He posted some of the most, well, stereotypically racist stuff on the World Cup thread before Dave banned him. It was tragic.
Didn't see that, got a link?
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=39158&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
On this page and the next one. He rounds off with quite a classic one-liner.
What a card. It's a shame we can't just give people like that access to one forum room only, like...The Mong Room or something, and whenever we want a laugh just have a butchers in there.