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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Leicester_Villian on June 26, 2010, 09:12:52 AM
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Expected to see him as pundit at World Cup but unless missed something appears not .......
Players back in training soon I guess and all transfers appear one way !
Lets not wait till 31st Aug and lets get the business done!
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In a perfect world he's not doing his puditry this time round because he's actually looking at players in the WC.
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reminds me of when fat Ron did bugger all when he was a pundit
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reminds me of when fat Ron did bugger all when he was a pundit
How?
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Old 'ary Redknapp is BBC flavour of the month at the moment, haven't you realised!
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He's been applying for his interview at Liverpool. Apparently he had to prepare a lesson plan demonstrating his ability to drive without hubcaps and how he would cope under stress following returning home to find no furniture.
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I thought he'd be on the beeb, too. Hopefully, he's relaxing on holiday whilst his scouts scour the globe and he will then make decisions based upon their recommendations...
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He is on holiday in the Caribbean, or at least he was earlier this week as he was staying at the same hotel as someone I know
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He is on holiday in the Caribbean, or at least he was earlier this week as he was staying at the same hotel as someone I know
Good luck to him. I hope he is not even thinking about football and that he comes back suitably refreshed and recharged.
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In a perfect world he's not doing his puditry this time round because he's actually looking at players in the WC.
In the WC?
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Wasn't long ago Harry wasn't even speaking to the BBC, was it?
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In a perfect world he's not doing his puditry this time round because he's actually looking at players in the WC.
In the WC?
He better be careful de doesn't get himself arrested
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Probably not left his house since the last day of the season.
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His BBC tv producer friend defected to itv apparently and mon felt uncomfortable about taking up their offer having always worked for the BBC so he decided not to be a pundit this time round.
Some clubs are back in training on Monday so I imagine he must be back at his desk in the next few days .
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Wonder where he's been on his holiday? Wales? Dorset? Scotland? Stratford?!
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he went to world cup 2006, and came back with salifou!
hope he's on holiday, and his tv is broke.
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Between SUN and TUE.
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he went to world cup 2006, and came back with salifou!
hope he's on holiday, and his tv is broke.
Salifou joined a year later, the last day of August 2007 I think.
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Martin will be sat there watching the TV shouting 'Come on! Come on!'.
Lets hope Andy Murray gets knocked out of Wimbledon soon so he can start watching the world cup.
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Between SUN and TUE.
Genuine lol, though I had to think twice.
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Wonder if MON has ever been to Germany? Didn't think so.
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Hopefully in talks with the FA.
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Hopefully in his armchair watching all the good bits of this World Cup, & not having designs on adding to his English contingent.
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Wonder if MON has ever been to Germany? Didn't think so.
How stupid.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/2798753.stm
Wonder if there is some kind of career where you could use your talent for not bothering to find out the truth and jumping to whatever conclusion suits your own petty prejudices?
But you're a copper aren't you? You've been doing that for years.
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That's a bit low, Percy.
And he's not, either.
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That's a bit low, Percy.
And he's not, either.
Oh, sorry then. Read something about him working for a chief constable. That'll teach me for not bothering to find out the truth and jumping to whatever conclusion suits my own petty prejudices.
He is completely wrong about the Germany thing though, obviously.
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Hopefully in his armchair watching all the good bits of this World Cup, & not having designs on adding to his English contingent.
After watching the brilliance of the Germans counter-attacking, we're fooked for another season.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
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If this debacle hasn't put Martin off signing all English, I don't know what will.
I'm sure he'll get cracking in July though, the guy deserves a holiday. He does ten t expend more energy tan some of the players on that touchline, the maniac.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.
Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday? maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that. In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.
Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday? maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that. In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.
Defoe did however, very nearly score, which is not something that Emile has ever looked like doing. If he wanted somebody to hold the ball up while still having some sort of goal threat, he should have stuch Crouch on.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.
Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday? maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that. In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.
Defoe did however, very nearly score, which is not something that Emile has ever looked like doing. If he wanted somebody to hold the ball up while still having some sort of goal threat, he should have stuch Crouch on.
My thoughts Exactly. Crouch didn't get a look in. Ridiculous
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...
What law's that Dave? That it's ok to think you know more than successful managers, but not local journalists?
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.
Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday? maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that. In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.
Defoe did however, very nearly score, which is not something that Emile has ever looked like doing. If he wanted somebody to hold the ball up while still having some sort of goal threat, he should have stuch Crouch on.
When you're 4-1 down it doesn't matter a jot who you bring on. So all this talk about goal threat and indeed holding up the ball is utter bollocks.
It was a stupid substitution mind in that there was no point. However, it was nowhere near the stupidest substitution in history.
That was bring on Shite Phillips.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...
What law's that Dave? That it's ok to think you know more than successful managers, but not local journalists?
That's the one.
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(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4243/wheresmon.jpg)
There he is, in the black tracksuit.
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...
What law's that Dave? That it's ok to think you know more than successful managers, but not local journalists?
That's the one.
No, as far as I'm concerned everyone can pass comment freely. But there is a subsection of the law that says while nobody is as experienced in the ways of football management as Martin O'Neill, and can therefore never be allowed to pass comment upon him (although previous managers are strangely exempt from this rule), every other profession is fair game.
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Every other profession is fair game? In that case, I'll just come on here in future if I need a medical diagnosis, financial advice, accounts looking at, legal guidance etc.
It wouldn't be at all stupid to take seriously the views of amateurs who sometimes imply they know more than the professionals despite being in possession of only a fraction of the relevant information would it?
Never allowed to comment? That's up there with not being allowed to be English.
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Every other profession is fair game? In that case, I'll just come on here in future if I need a medical diagnosis, financial advice, accounts looking at, legal guidance etc.
It wouldn't be at all stupid to take seriously the views of amateurs who sometimes imply they know more than the professionals despite being in possession of only a fraction of the relevant information would it?
Never allowed to comment? That's up there with not being allowed to be English.
So what if they don't know as much as managers? So what if they've not managed at any level? I think you're both stating the obvious and missing the point, Percy.
I thought football was all about opinions and thinking you knew more than the professionals. Isn't that the whole point of football message boards?
I don't know anything like as much about football as Rafa Benitez, I've never managed a team at any level (although I have sat in the dugouts at Dundee, Dundee United, Hibs and Hearts, but that's another story). He's won the Champions League and is currently managing his third big European Club.
I still think he royally fucked it up at Liverpool towards the end, though, and I'm still going to act like I know more about it than he does.
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I wonder if those who feel that MON should be beyond criticism because of his lengthy time in the game extend that kind of logic to other areas of interest/ entertainment.
I take it that music is similarly not up for discussion unless you're Quincy Jones.
Can only Martin Scorsese discuss the relative merits or weaknesses of a film?
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I wonder if those who feel that MON should be beyond criticism because of his lengthy time in the game extend that kind of logic to other areas of interest/ entertainment.
I take it that music is similarly not up for discussion unless you're Quincy Jones.
Can only Martin Scorsese discuss the relative merits or weaknesses of a film?
I've said this before Kevin.
If you play the 'MON is a professional and you are not' card, then you have no right to question George Osborne and David Camerons political competence, Westlife's studio recordings or Carling Black Label Lager's (lack of) taste.
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Every other profession is fair game? In that case, I'll just come on here in future if I need a medical diagnosis, financial advice, accounts looking at, legal guidance etc.
It wouldn't be at all stupid to take seriously the views of amateurs who sometimes imply they know more than the professionals despite being in possession of only a fraction of the relevant information would it?
Never allowed to comment? That's up there with not being allowed to be English.
So what if they don't know as much as managers? So what if they've not managed at any level? I think you're both stating the obvious and missing the point, Percy.
I thought football was all about opinions and thinking you knew more than the professionals. Isn't that the whole point of football message boards?
I don't know anything like as much about football as Rafa Benitez, I've never managed a team at any level (although I have sat in the dugouts at Dundee, Dundee United, Hibs and Hearts, but that's another story). He's won the Champions League and is currently managing his third big European Club.
I still think he royally fucked it up at Liverpool towards the end, though, and I'm still going to act like I know more about it than he does.
That's an interesting point. I'm sure some of the people who invoke this H&V iteration of Godwin's Law will freely criticise Rafa and indeed Mourinho or Taggart. It's just one manager who seems to be immune from criticism.
I also don't get this argument that you have to show unswerving support of a manager to rate and back him. Nobody's perfect after all. Certainly not MoN, Mourinho or Ferguson.
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I also don't get this argument that you have to show unswerving support of a manager to rate and back him. Nobody's perfect after all. Certainly not MoN, Mourinho or Ferguson.
Of course not.
Strikes me that, in a time when football is incredibly expensive to watch, is practically controlled by television companies and advertisers, has the passion squeezed out of it in the grounds (no standing, no swearing, no shouting), and is more sterile than it has ever been, gobbing off in pubs or on the internet or in the office, pontificating about why such and such an experienced manager is clueless (thats worth thinking about - they're clearly not clueless, otherwise they wouldn't be where they are) is one of the few areas people can get passionate and opinionated about the game any more.
I suspect not many people on here would disagree with that, otherwise we wouldn't be wasting thousands of hours arguing (usually the same argument) on here, day after day, would we?
Take that passion and opinion away, start deferring to people with more experience as if we're consulting a lawyer or a doctor, and we might as well start supporting GlaxoSmithKline or Marks and Spencer.
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The fans money contribute to the players and managers wages so I think they are perfectly right to voice whatever opinion they may have, mon has made and will make mistakes like any other manager in any job.
He is running our football club and I love Reading differing views on this forum , some I agree with and some I don't but this really is a great forum.
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I wonder if those who feel that MON should be beyond criticism because of his lengthy time in the game extend that kind of logic to other areas of interest/ entertainment.
I take it that music is similarly not up for discussion unless you're Quincy Jones.
Can only Martin Scorsese discuss the relative merits or weaknesses of a film?
I've said this before Kevin.
If you play the 'MON is a professional and you are not' card, then you have no right to question George Osborne and David Camerons political competence, Westlife's studio recordings or Carling Black Label Lager's (lack of) taste.
Not at all. The posts about MON that I find ridiculous are the ones that question his basic knowledge of the game. I recall one of yours Mark, when you said (seriously) that MON doesn't know how to pick players in the correct position. Frankly, that is laughable. How on earth does he get 10 out of 11 in the 'conventional' position if he doesn't know how to do it? That's some fluke. Your analogy with Cameron is a flawed one. I wouldn't say 'he is a politician, you are not' if you had different ideas to him about tackling inflation for instance. I might though, if you said he doesn't know what inflation is. Geddit?
I have different opinions to MON about football too. It's just that I don't think he'd agree with me if only he understood the game.
For all this talk about Godwin's Law and not being 'allowed' to criticise MON, some of the most jumped upon and seemingly offensive (to some) posts on here are the ones that simply state the opinion that MON knows more about football than us lot. Which is a bit like finding my opinion that the Pope is a Catholic controversial.
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I personally dont care what people say about MON or their qualifications for doing so, just please dont talk out of your arse and bore me to death. Which is where a lot of it falls down.
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I personally dont care what people say about MON or their qualifications for doing so, just please dont talk out of your arse and bore me to death. Which is where a lot of it falls down.
Which is precisely what other people might say about you. Or any other poster on here.
Which is another reason why we should just deal with the fact that other people disagree with us, and let them get on with it, rather than introducing some sliding scale of what's ok and what isn't.
Life's too short for that nonsense.
Incidentally, almost every single person on here has got on my tits at some point since I've been using this site. Which is sort of the point, i guess.
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Incidentally, almost every single person on here has got on my tits at some point since I've been using this site. Which is sort of the point, i guess.
I think that getting on your tits is the only reason most of us post in the close-season.
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I personally dont care what people say about MON or their qualifications for doing so, just please dont talk out of your arse and bore me to death. Which is where a lot of it falls down.
Which is precisely what other people might say about you. Or any other poster on here.
Which is another reason why we should just deal with the fact that other people disagree with us, and let them get on with it, rather than introducing some sliding scale of what's ok and what isn't.
Good. Perhaps we can have an end to the 'Thou shalt not put forth the opinion that the manager knows more about football than we do' posts?
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I personally dont care what people say about MON or their qualifications for doing so, just please dont talk out of your arse and bore me to death. Which is where a lot of it falls down.
Which is precisely what other people might say about you. Or any other poster on here.
Which is another reason why we should just deal with the fact that other people disagree with us, and let them get on with it, rather than introducing some sliding scale of what's ok and what isn't.
Good. Perhaps we can have an end to the 'Thou shalt not put forth the opinion that the manager knows more about football than we do' posts?
Of course he does - that's what I meant by my reference to your stating the obvious. My point is, who cares that he knows more than we do? When did that ever impact on the willingness of football fans to gob off about the game?
Do I think Gary Megson, David O'Leary, Martin O'Neill, Harry Redknapp, Arsene Wenger etc etc know more about the game than me? Of course they do. Do I give a shit? No, of course I don't.
I dont get how you're so liberated with your views on things like hooliganism and it's part in the culture of the game (which I largely agree with you on), yet so deferential when it comes to criticising the manager.
Where's the sense of naughtiness gone? You're at the same time possibly the most non conformist poster on here on some issues, yet amongst the most conformist on others.
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I personally dont care what people say about MON or their qualifications for doing so, just please dont talk out of your arse and bore me to death. Which is where a lot of it falls down.
Which is precisely what other people might say about you.
Show me the fucker...
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I personally dont care what people say about MON or their qualifications for doing so, just please dont talk out of your arse and bore me to death. Which is where a lot of it falls down.
Which is precisely what other people might say about you.
Show me the fucker...
That's more like it.
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You know its summer when Paulie is asking Percy to get naughty for him.
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You know its summer when Paulie is asking Percy to get naughty for him.
Not mention people on here getting on his tits.
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
Without checking, I think he is the first manager we've had who's delivered three consecutive top 6 finishes in a long, long time. Whilst it's not cause for getting the bunting out, it means he deserves to keep his job by my reckoning.
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
Yep. Brilliant isn't it.
We'll do no better than Martin right now. I'm sure he's got plans afoot. He'll realise there's things that need improving on. He'll also be hoping some of our talented youngster begin stepping it up another level.
I think we'll be there or there abouts again. All depends on who we bring in, and whether said imports will open up a different style of play for us, should pln A not be working. If we get the home form right, we're pretty much a top 4 side. We're not far off. Just depends how much Spurs, City and liverpool kick on.
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I and a good few who have spoken out about MON do not want him sacked - but i would like a word in his shell like and just let him know that although comparitively speaking he has been successful during his tenure but at times the football is a chore to watch and i feel this is mainly due to the team being filled with workers first and players 2nd.
This world cup showed England up as we have loads of grafters but behind all of them in the league they have some continental flair to compliment it
I really like Petrov but he has gone from being a senior international captain to a total workhorse - its almost like it has been coached out of him
I want some excitement and some imagination when it comes to transfers
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He is in SA managing England. Him and Fab are in fact the same person. Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it. And the love affair with EH.
Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.
I'm offering an opinion. I may be right. TonyD may be right. The truth may lie somewhere in between. I don't know. I don't that much care.
But I know I'm sick to death and tired of being labelled with this 'MON devotee' tag for being genaerally happy with the manager.
He makes decisions which I wouldn't necessarily make. He buys players that I probably wouldn't buy. He treats people in a way I might not. but I'm pretty sure he has very well thought out reasons for doing so, and probably has more information on which to make those decisions than is publicly known.
So far, on balance he's doing a bloddy good job. I still believe he'll get more done. He'll make mistakes along the way, but not a single manager who's walked the earth has'nt and he'll correct them. We're in good hands.
Other people might disagree, fine, lets discuss itl but the constant, childish digs and cliches regarding the manager by the same posters grate after a while.
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
did i say sack him? do try and read what i say first before going off on one. my point is he's had more time and money than his predecessors and yet hasn't achieved as much as at least 3 of them. in that scenario its perfectly logical to criticise his performance
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
did i say sack him? do try and read what i say first before going off on one. my point is he's had more time and money than his predecessors and yet hasn't achieved as much as at least 3 of them. in that scenario its perfectly logical to criticise his performance
Would you say he'd had more money, in relation to that of the clubs we compete with, than that of the previous managers?
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i believe we spend far more now than we did under Doug in relation to our rivals
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i believe we spend far more now than we did under Doug in relation to our rivals
Maybe those below us, but those above?
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i can't believe you think DOL had more money in relation to say chelsea or Man united than MON has now
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i can't believe you think DOL had more money in relation to say chelsea or Man united than MON has now
Not DOL no, but that was when the dough and run out and he made his own rod by behaving like an utter bell end, I'd say in relation to Taylor, Atkinson, Litlle and Gregory.
And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
Just turning the 3 top 6 finishes point around:
If when MON arrived I said to you after 5 seasons in charge and plenty of money available we would have achieved:
3 x 6th place Finishes
1 x 7th place (Just made that up)
1 League Cup Final
1 FA Cup Semi
No European run
Would you have taken that??
I wouldn't
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
did i say sack him? do try and read what i say first before going off on one. my point is he's had more time and money than his predecessors and yet hasn't achieved as much as at least 3 of them. in that scenario its perfectly logical to criticise his performance
The only way he he wouldn't have become our longest serving manager since Saunders was by being sacked. Therefore implicit in your tiresome critiscism is a suggestion that he should not be in the job. Do try and understand what you are saying yourself before going off on one.
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we all know we had to sell to buy under ellis. all those managers when they did spend usully did it on the back of selling a yorke or a platt. under lerner we managed to run up a massive loss which would have been unthinkable under ellis. are we closer to the big spenders now than than we were in the 80's and 90's? course we are. weren't we like 3rd biggest spender last summer?
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
Just turning the 3 top 6 finishes point around:
If when MON arrived I said to you after 5 seasons in charge and plenty of money available we would have achieved:
3 x 6th place Finishes
1 x 7th place (Just made that up)
1 League Cup Final
1 FA Cup Semi
No European run
Would you have taken that??
I wouldn't
What a silly post, the time to judge where we are after 5 seaons is not when the 4th one has just finished.
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
did i say sack him? do try and read what i say first before going off on one. my point is he's had more time and money than his predecessors and yet hasn't achieved as much as at least 3 of them. in that scenario its perfectly logical to criticise his performance
The only way he he wouldn't have become our longest serving manager since Saunders was by being sacked. Therefore implicit in your tiresome critiscism is a suggestion that he should not be in the job. Do try and understand what you are saying yourself before going off on one.
not really. he could have done the decent thing and walked away. he's hit a glass ceiling qnd its now a question of whether you think he is good enough to do any better. whether you do or don't its entirely valid to criticise him because like it or lump it his record aint all that and his style of football less so. personally he's got this season to get above 6th or sling his hook.
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I see spurs have offered £28m for 2 players, we are not in that kind of Market and will find it hard to finish above 6th at best as the money available to the teams above us is far more than we can afford to spend,whoever is in charge.
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I see spurs have offered £28m for 2 players, we are not in that kind of Market and will find it hard to finish above 6th at best as the money available to the teams above us is far more than we can afford to spend,whoever is in charge.
If we sell Milner maybe we can. Though I'd rather keep him. In truth though, we do need to spend our money more wisely than Spurs look as if they will. They're paying 28m for two players who are decent, but not spectacular.
We need to be astute with what cash we have.
But of course...that might not happen. We're lucky to have genuine quality like Young on our books. Keep him, keep Gabby, and fingers crossed Milner. If sell our dead wood and raise enough for 3-4 top quality players, we can compete IMO.
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I see spurs have offered £28m for 2 players, we are not in that kind of Market and will find it hard to finish above 6th at best as the money available to the teams above us is far more than we can afford to spend,whoever is in charge.
The season is being written off in June on the basis of a seemingly untrue story, this place gets dafter by the day.
"Palermo's claims are inaccurate. We have not bid for these players," said a spokesman for Tottenham.
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
Just turning the 3 top 6 finishes point around:
If when MON arrived I said to you after 5 seasons in charge and plenty of money available we would have achieved:
3 x 6th place Finishes
1 x 7th place (Just made that up)
1 League Cup Final
1 FA Cup Semi
No European run
Would you have taken that??
I wouldn't
What a silly post, the time to judge where we are after 5 seaons is not when the 4th one has just finished.
LOL
So do you magically think that next season sees us finishing 4th or 5th, with a Cup and having a European run? Something we haven't done in the previous 4 but we will now beacuse we are into the 5th year of "the plan"
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Well, aren't you a bit previous saying we wont do any better than 6th?
Yes, by about a year or so.
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I wasn't writing the season off chris , just saying that it's very hard to compete with spurs and City if they spend huge amounts this summer, if anything I was saying 6th place under the circumstances would be reasonable , I for one have lowered my expectations and see this as being about as good as it will get under o neill!
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I don't think he's an idiot, just a dinosaur. and i do wonder how he's becomes our longest serving manager since Saunders when he's not even in the top3 for trophies won/highest league position
So 3 top 6 finishes in a row and a cup final and a semi final last season is now grounds for sacking somebody. That's armchair fans for you.
Just turning the 3 top 6 finishes point around:
If when MON arrived I said to you after 5 seasons in charge and plenty of money available we would have achieved:
3 x 6th place Finishes
1 x 7th place (Just made that up)
1 League Cup Final
1 FA Cup Semi
No European run
Would you have taken that??
I wouldn't
What a silly post, the time to judge where we are after 5 seaons is not when the 4th one has just finished.
LOL
So do you magically think that next season sees us finishing 4th or 5th, with a Cup and having a European run? Something we haven't done in the previous 4 but we will now beacuse we are into the 5th year of "the plan"
I can see why to some thought might be considered a magical processin that they have not experienced it first hand but I'm just suggesting that you wait a few months before deciding what the season has ben like.
What were you predicting this time last year?
Oh and unless you're 12 or have been lobotomised no more of the "LOL" if you don't mind, it lowers the tone.
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LOL
ooohhh looks for emocon of man clutching handbag
This time last year I predicted 7th
But seeing as this is year 5 of the the plan and because Man City and Spuds wont be spending as much as us I predict
4th Place
Fa Cup
Europa Final
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Where is MoN?
Right now he's bound and gagged in the cupboard under my stairs. When we were linked with McGeady I took desperate measures.
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Top 6 and the carling cup will do me nicely!
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LOL
ooohhh looks for emocon of man clutching handbag
This time last year I predicted 7th
But seeing as this is year 5 of the the plan and because Man City and Spurs wont be spending as much as us I predict
4th Place
Fa Cup
Europa Final
Are you attempting to be humerous? If so well done, it's a brave man who knows he's rubbish but gives it a go anyway.
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Imagine if Lol Creme - the least talented member of talentless 70's crap-rock band, 10CC ( and half of the talentless duo, Godley and Creme) had to send bad news by text, how would he sign the end of his message without causing offence?
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I personally dont care what people say about MON or their qualifications for doing so, just please dont talk out of your arse and bore me to death. Which is where a lot of it falls down.
Which is precisely what other people might say about you. Or any other poster on here.
Which is another reason why we should just deal with the fact that other people disagree with us, and let them get on with it, rather than introducing some sliding scale of what's ok and what isn't.
Good. Perhaps we can have an end to the 'Thou shalt not put forth the opinion that the manager knows more about football than we do' posts?
Of course he does - that's what I meant by my reference to your stating the obvious. My point is, who cares that he knows more than we do? When did that ever impact on the willingness of football fans to gob off about the game?
Do I think Gary Megson, David O'Leary, Martin O'Neill, Harry Redknapp, Arsene Wenger etc etc know more about the game than me? Of course they do. Do I give a shit? No, of course I don't.
I dont get how you're so liberated with your views on things like hooliganism and it's part in the culture of the game (which I largely agree with you on), yet so deferential when it comes to criticising the manager.
Where's the sense of naughtiness gone? You're at the same time possibly the most non conformist poster on here on some issues, yet amongst the most conformist on others.
Er, thanks...I think. Compliments to you too paulie, you don't get on my tits because you usually make points on things that are at least debatable. It's the endless drivel like 'Why doesn't MON know that Young is a right back and Cuellar is a centre-half?' that prompt me to bring up his experience and knowledge.
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This time last year I predicted 7th
Right, so you were wrong and being previous then, like you are now.
Lmao!lolololocuastomfg!!!!!!111!!!
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pwn3d!
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Have i stepped into an argument from another planet
What the hell are you on about
Can we go back to the question
Is MON on holiday or not?
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
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Have i stepped into an argument from another planet
What the hell are you on about
Can we go back to the question
Is MON on holiday or not?
Yes. He's gone from the lounge into his back garden.
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
especially when he only spent a couple of mill to achieve sixth unlike some managers
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where is Mon ?
In the same place he has been for the last 5 summers, can't see why there should be any concern.
Isn't it now accepted most clubs and managers complete most of their business before Mon comes out of hiding.if not it should be.
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
especially when he only spent a couple of mill to achieve sixth unlike some managers
Then nearly took us down a couple of season's later.
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Don't feed a troll.
It'll only bite your hand.
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
especially when he only spent a couple of mill to achieve sixth unlike some managers
Then nearly took us down a couple of season's later.
I know what he did and he's a phenomenal ****** along with it, but I'm just saying that if the criteria for judging managers is how much they spunked away on shite strikers then MON doesn't come out looking that good really.
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Imagine if Lol Creme - the least talented member of talentless 70's crap-rock band, 10CC ( and half of the talentless duo, Godley and Creme) had to send bad news by text, how would he sign the end of his message without causing offence?
lol. Sorry Chris, I meant to say pmsl. That better?
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Imagine if Lol Creme - the least talented member of talentless 70's crap-rock band, 10CC ( and half of the talentless duo, Godley and Creme) had to send bad news by text, how would he sign the end of his message without causing offence?
"I hope you're not too upset. Best wishes, Laurence".
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This thread had taken a turn for the better, thank fuck.
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I wasn't writing the season off chris , just saying that it's very hard to compete with spurs and City if they spend huge amounts this summer, if anything I was saying 6th place under the circumstances would be reasonable , I for one have lowered my expectations and see this as being about as good as it will get under o neill!
Three posts earlier you were saying that it's as good as it will get under anybody because of the money involved.
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Yes dave , i think 6th is about as good as it will get , and i would settle for that if we could get a cup win all the better, i think the chance to really crack the top 4 was there under o neill but now because of the money involved at city and spurs having reached the champions league , it will be harder than ever.
Unless we or anyone else has an awful lot to invest on players then i think it will be extremely tough now , whoever is in charge would need a huge amount to spend- o neill has had a lot of money and we havent achieved it and im not sure that money would be there if another manager replaced him.
If we do better than 6th then great but the competion is stronger now than 3 yrs ago and if mon keeps us in the top 6 then I think on reflection that will be a decent achievement.
City are probably going to sign 6 or 7 top quality internationals and in fairness to mon he does not have anything like that like of financial clout.
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Do we seriously believe for a second, Martin O Neill is capable of taking a break from work? I don't think he is.
He's probably been on his holibobs, and driven the missus crazy, trying to work out different permatations to make 4-4-2 work. Or writing down his shopping list, consisting entirely of domestic based players.
I think now he's probably somewhere, bouncing around like a mexican jumping bean, excitedly ringing Robbie Keanes agent, to see how much we can overpay for him.
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Yes dave , i think 6th is about as good as it will get , and i would settle for that if we could get a cup win all the better, i think the chance to really crack the top 4 was there under o neill but now because of the money involved at city and spurs having reached the champions league , it will be harder than ever.
Unless we or anyone else has an awful lot to invest on players then i think it will be extremely tough now , whoever is in charge would need a huge amount to spend- o neill has had a lot of money and we havent achieved it and im not sure that money would be there if another manager replaced him.
If we do better than 6th then great but the competion is stronger now than 3 yrs ago and if mon keeps us in the top 6 then I think on reflection that will be a decent achievement.
City are probably going to sign 6 or 7 top quality internationals and in fairness to mon he does not have anything like that like of financial clout.
As sad as it is I agree. We either have to hope three or four other clubs under-perform or MoN manages to pull several rabbits out of his arse. I don't think the guys we are linked with are rabbits (possibly Ireland but I don't think we'll take anyone from City as part of the Milner deal) I have to say.
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Do we see sixth as top of the league for none Sky four/billionaire owned hobby horses? or bottom of the top teams? Oh fucking hell i dont know what I mean. Just saw Martin in Sainsburys, I asked how is it going, and he said "worry not, next season is going to be BIG, I have great plans for taking us forward". Sorry its not a source from someone who "knows" someone from VP. Infact its just a complete fabrication. Like the Milner story IMO until I see some real proof
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Do we see sixth as top of the league for none Sky four/billionaire owned hobby horses? or bottom of the top teams? Oh fucking hell i dont know what I mean. Just saw Martin in Sainsburys, I asked how is it going, and he said "worry not, next season is going to be BIG, I have great plans for taking us forward". Sorry its not a source from someone who "knows" someone from VP. Infact its just a complete fabrication. Like the Milner story IMO until I see some real proof
There are plenty of clubs in the top flight who would see Villa as a very good example of precisely that.
It's all relative. Man City are that to us. We are that to Everton (chosen at random).
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
O'Neill's problem has been not spending enough on strikers. He's spent what Baros cost on two players. That's it.
And that sentence was only added to present myself with the opportunity to label DOL a prick.
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
especially when he only spent a couple of mill to achieve sixth unlike some managers
You couldn't make you up, you poor lonely man.
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
especially when he only spent a couple of mill to achieve sixth unlike some managers
You couldn't make you up, you poor lonely man.
There's not much call for that.
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Correct. Poor lonely men are not typically in demand.
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And that sentence was only added to present myself with the opportunity to label DOL a prick.
You don't need excuses to call O'Dreary a prick, just call him a prick.
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DO'L is a prick.
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DO'L is a prick.
seconded
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I disagree, I think he's a shoegazing pugnosed scuttering eejit.
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And that knob O'Leary spunked the £6.5m we did have on Baros. Prick.
When defending MON I'm not sure it's wise to do it by criticising previous managers for spunking away silly money on sub-standard strikers.
especially when he only spent a couple of mill to achieve sixth unlike some managers
You couldn't make you up, you poor lonely man.
When you consider the money spunked on Harewood, Sidwell, Coker, Maloney, Davies, several full backs, and cb's O'Leary did ok in comparison to some managers we've had.
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When you consider the money spunked on Harewood, Sidwell, Coker, Maloney, Davies, several full backs, and cb's O'Leary did ok in comparison to some managers we've had.
Baros
Djemba Djemba
Allback
The money is comparative to the scale of the transfer market at the time, but every manager, be it for Villa or any other club, has had their lemmings.
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When you consider the money spunked on Harewood, Sidwell, Coker, Maloney, Davies, several full backs, and cb's O'Leary did ok in comparison to some managers we've had.
Baros
Djemba Djemba
Allback
The money is comparative to the scale of the transfer market at the time, but every manager, be it for Villa or any other club, has had their lemmings.
I agree ,that was the point , Salifou is another that springs to mind.
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Sir Graham signed Allback.
And if I may throw in -
Dunne
Collins
Milner
Carew
Ashley
Petrov
Warnock
Brad Sr.
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Where is he? Well we know he likes long, unwarranted, and no doubt fully paid breaks: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/FootballNewsDetail/0,,10265~2081885,00.html
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Unwarranted, why? What do you expect him to do this time of year, go down to Bodymoor Heath to shout at imaginary people? Plan games he hasn't got lined up?
And do you not get paid whilst on holiday?
And that article is right on. If every other major league does it, why not the Premier League?
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Unwarranted, why? What do you expect him to do this time of year, go down to Bodymoor Heath to shout at imaginary people? Plan games he hasn't got lined up?
And do you not get paid whilst on holiday?
I can think of a few on here that more than likely do just that.
And I get payed whilst posting on H&V!!
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Unwarranted, why? What do you expect him to do this time of year, go down to Bodymoor Heath to shout at imaginary people? Plan games he hasn't got lined up?
And do you not get paid whilst on holiday?
And that article is right on. If every other major league does it, why not the Premier League?
Players used to get a summer rate and a winter rate, I remember a story about a team mate of Stanley Matthews going in for a payrise, and complaining Sir Stan was on more money, to be met with the reasonable answer that he was a better player than you, the player's reply was "he's not a better player than me in the summer".
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Going back to DOL, i see he's finally got that 'big' job he was holding out for.
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Yeah, looks like the £3m we paid him has run out then!
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Could we play DOL rightback ??????
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Sir Graham signed Allback.
And if I may throw in -
Dunne
Collins
Milner
Carew
Ashley
Petrov
Warnock
Brad Sr.
Indeed I see no reason why you shouldn't. arguably 6 decent players last season, I didn't count Petrov, or Carew, compared to the dross he's wasted money on and the quality he's sold and looks to be selling, dire I'd say
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He's playing golf in Limerick Jp McManus Pro-Am (http://bit.ly/d7J5e4)
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In fairness MON does deserve credit for his ability to develop workhorse wide players into genuine class central midfielders.
When he came in 2006, Barry was an o.k wide left midfielder who we'd just rejected 5m for from Pompey. Within 18 months, he was influential in central midfield for us, got back into the England team and we got decent money for him.
Same with Milner really, he was sagnating at Newcastle and wasn't even getting into the team. hands up who thought this time last year Milner would have a good season as a central midfielder, I think we all thought Downing would take up the Barry role.
So MON can be flexible regarding players positions and improve their play and valuation by shifting them. Shame about the defence...
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Martin is here in New Zealand, Christchurch to be exact, he just walked past my place. Sorry, that's obviously not true. I'm sure he's scouting every possible player he thinks would fit in to our setup and our budget.
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ADARE, Ireland (AP) -- Tiger Woods looked just as out of form in a celebrity pro-am as he did on the PGA Tour.
The world's No. 1 golfer arrived Monday in Ireland just hours after his 46th-place finish at the AT&T (NYSE:SBT) (NYSE:T) National in Pennsylvania and shot a 7-over 79 in the first round of the J.P. McManus Invitational Pro-Am...............................
................................The unranked event in County Limerick featuring Hollywood celebrities and Irish billionaires was his first overseas event since revelations of his extramarital affairs surfaced last year.
This year's celebrity golfers include actors Michael Douglas, Samuel L. Jackson, Hugh Grant, Aidan Quinn, Kyle MacLachlan and Peter Gallagher; English Premier League football coaches Harry Redknapp and Martin O'Neill; and Irish boyband Westlife. Amateurs taking part typically donate $155,000 per trio and are matched to each professional golfer by lottery.
NYTimes.com
Well now we know where he is. Maybe Tiger could play as a creative midfielder?
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Are we the only team not back for pre season yet? As the players get back I would hope things quickly start moving in the transfer Market,it would be so much better if mon got his signings in and settled before the 1st game.
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Well now we know where he is. Maybe Tiger could play as a creative midfielder?
He might. Maybe he could play as well as Bellamy.
What I'm afraid is that MON might sign the whole Westlife to replace last year's back four.
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Are we the only team not back for pre season yet? As the players get back I would hope things quickly start moving in the transfer Market,it would be so much better if mon got his signings in and settled before the 1st game.
The only team who I can think of being back in are Liverpool who have an earlier start than us. I could be wrong but I'd expect they'd be in sometime later this month.
A few teams up here are back in but they too have early starts and most likely conclusions to their European campaigns.
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Are we the only team not back for pre season yet? As the players get back I would hope things quickly start moving in the transfer Market,it would be so much better if mon got his signings in and settled before the 1st game.
Wenger at least is still in S Africa I believe
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Are we the only team not back for pre season yet? As the players get back I would hope things quickly start moving in the transfer Market,it would be so much better if mon got his signings in and settled before the 1st game.
The only team who I can think of being back in are Liverpool who have an earlier start than us. I could be wrong but I'd expect they'd be in sometime later this month.
A few teams up here are back in but they too have early starts and most likely conclusions to their European campaigns.
there ahve been sightings of Burnley, WHam, Spurs and others too, Liverpool, Utd, and so on.