Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: junxs on June 10, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
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Aston Villa Football Club is pleased to announce our new partnership with FxPro Financial Services Ltd, a leading global retail broker in Forex (foreign exchange) markets and CFDs ('buyer' and 'seller' contracts).
FxPro will become the club's principal commercial partner from July 2010 following agreement of a three-year deal - the biggest in the club's history.
The groundbreaking association between Villa and Acorns - the largest provider of hospice care for life-limited children in the UK - will remain, with Acorns becoming the club's official charity and FxPro making a strong commitment to supporting our joint endeavours.
The new shirt for next season will be unveiled on July 15 in Birmingham.
"We are extremely pleased and excited to enter into this new partnership with FxPro," said Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa Football Club. "A lot of hard work has gone into the completion of this agreement and we believe it will be a good partnership for the club. It reflects our continued growth as a club after a season in which we finished sixth in the Premier League for the third straight year while twice reaching Wembley - competing in the Carling Cup final and FA Cup semi-final.
"Equally, we are pleased to confirm that Acorns will be our official charity partner and in meetings involving both FxPro and Acorns a close working alliance has already been forged."
Denis Sukhotin, Director of FxPro, is enthusiastic about the new partnership. "Aston Villa are one of the great names in the Premier League, with a following extending far beyond the UK. We are proud to partner with Aston Villa as the club continues to work hard to achieve success."
"We will work diligently with our partners at Aston Villa to extend the brand around the world," said Jim Manczak, Head of Strategic Relations for FxPro. "Villa are one of the oldest and most successful clubs in England and we look forward to connecting with Villa fansfar and wide."
Reflecting on the ongoing relationship between Villa and Acorns, David Strudley, chief executive of Acorns Children's Hospice, said: "We are delighted to become Aston Villa's official charity partner and equally thrilled to hear of the shirt partnership with FxPro, an organisation which has also undertaken to support us as a charity. On behalf of the children of Acorns and their families, we would like to thank Aston Villa for all they have done for us and continue to undertake to do for us and we wish them every good fortune."
On official site (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2068264,00.html) now
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Wonder how much over 3 years?
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Glad the Acorns association is remaining.
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Same here.
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Anyway, I'm with Chico:
a 4-year old, Cypriot-registered foreign exchange company.
I'm bursting with pride
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So we're carrying a sponsor who deals in the kind of thing that's fucked up the economy so badly? Yaaaaaayyyyyy!
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Anyway, I'm with Chico:
a 4-year old, Cypriot-registered foreign exchange company.
I'm bursting with pride
From the perspective of any kudos, it was always down hill after Acorns.
I just hope they're paying us a heap of wonga for it!!
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Anyway, I'm with Chico:
a 4-year old, Cypriot-registered foreign exchange company.
I'm bursting with pride
Who exactly would have made us feel more pride?
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
Does that matter? Surely we go altruistic and stick with our lovely charity or we go nasty-capitalist-bastard and go with the company that will pay us the most money?
Surely the middle ground is where we should be ignoring?
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
Does that matter? Surely we go altruistic and stick with our lovely charity or we go nasty-capitalist-bastard and go with the company that will pay us the most money?
Surely the middle ground is where we should be ignoring?
Surely we have gone for both - by getting money from the financial sector and continuing to support Acorns? (I know, don't call me Shirley)
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Either we give it away and feel good about ourselves or we sell it to the highest bidder. Morality isn't really an issue.
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I'm not entirely happy with FX part of the name - an easy target for opponent's abuse. I would have prefered sticking with Acorns, but I suppose the club need the money. What exactly is an "official charity" anyway? And does it mean no more heroes collections?
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
Does that matter? Surely we go altruistic and stick with our lovely charity or we go nasty-capitalist-bastard and go with the company that will pay us the most money?
Surely the middle ground is where we should be ignoring?
Surely we have gone for both - by getting money from the financial sector and continuing to support Acorns? (I know, don't call me Shirley)
Yup, which is fine.
I don't really see the point of hand-wringing about it. We either want the cash or we don't.
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I'm not entirely happy with FX part of the name - an easy target for opponent's abuse. I would have prefered sticking with Acorns, but I suppose the club need the money. What exactly is an "official charity" anyway? And does it mean no more heroes collections?
We had both Acorn and HfH collections last season, although the Acorns ones have, I believe, suffered from diminishing returns.
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https://www.fxpro.com/
Wow, great front page; you can watch the Cable bid/ask prices change before your very eyes!
Don't like the way the GBP/EUR rates are inverted though; I can never get my head around that.
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Randy set a price, FxPro have met the asking price.
I see no reason why anyone should have any negative feelings over who they are.
Its just a name at the end of the day. A name that is ploughing money into the club to allow us to get better...hopefully.
We have done our ethical, charity bit..and well done to the club for that.We took the plaudits at the time, but we are not a charity. We could not keep that going forever. Lets face it, if someone else had offered the money when we binned 32Red, Acorns would not have been on our shirts at all.
At least we are also going to continue to have close ties with Acorns and appear to have made it a condition of the deal that FxPro buy into that partnership as well.
In my eyes, everyone is a winner.
We get our sponsorship.
FxPro raise their profile.
Acorns get 2 'sponsors'.
The name on the shirt is just that, a name on the shirt.
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Randy set a price, FxPro have met the asking price.
I see no reason why anyone should have any negative feelings over who they are.
Its just a name at the end of the day. A name that is ploughing money into the club to allow us to get better...hopefully.
We have done our ethical, charity bit..and well done to the club for that.We took the plaudits at the time, but we are not a charity. We could not keep that going forever. Lets face it, if someone else had offered the money when we binned 32Red, Acorns would not have been on our shirts at all.
At least we are also going to continue to have close ties with Acorns and appear to have made it a condition of the deal that FxPro buy into that partnership as well.
In my eyes, everyone is a winner.
We get our sponsorship.
FxPro raise their profile.
Acorns get 2 'sponsors'.
The name on the shirt is just that, a name on the shirt.
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Yes, this is it for me
Cake and eat it
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Excellent, finally we’ve shrugged off helping kids and gone for a sponsor which everyone can care about. Forex trading really warms my heart.
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I wonder when the details of how big this largest deal will come out - mind you I cannot help but think that it has not got a lot to beat
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And which tribe of trolls do you belong to, Osbourne?
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I believe he is from the Bluenosious Twattum genome.
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As long they pay the fee for sponsorship I not bothered. You can pick fault in any business from a moral angle.
Take a car manufacturer - your damaging the enviroment
Mobile phone network - polluting the world with mobile gadgets
Etc Etc
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Wow, i never really believed it until now... A lot of Villa fans are fickle idiots.
Having Acorns on our shirts for 2 years was brilliant! Superb, a gesture not met by another Premiership Club.
However... fans constantly moan, that we're not top 4 material and they want us to be up there. Well, you don't get "up there" on good will and cheer to all. The world and especially football is driven by the almighty $$$ or £££ or that god forsaken Euro...
So, now we have a massive company sponsor us, which is the biggest in the clubs history, and will give us more sponsorship than we've had before - and still people moan.
You really can't please everyone... or anyone half the time at this football club.
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Whilst I don't disagree with your main point - if I've picked it out correctly amongst all the holier-than-thou rhetoric - that we need the money to compete, it is worth nothing that FXPro are not a massive company, not even when compared to previous sponsors. They're a four year old Cypriot registered company.
I don't give a shit, personally, so long as they pony up the cash, but if you're going to go off on one at other posters, at least do so on the basis of sound knowledge.
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
I've got one, thanks.
What a peculiar outburst.
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
People 'moaned' that 32Red was unethical. One of the great things about Villa these days is that we do the right thing, so it's only proper that the nature of our sponsors should be debated
Well done on introducing the f word to the debate in yet another 'our supprters are terrible' whinge.
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yeah well dave... thankfully i'm in a world where i can voice an opinion, which doesn't necessarily have to stick to your rules.
sorry, but sometimes some comments i read are just embarrassing.
thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
People 'moaned' that 32Red was unethical. One of the great things about Villa these days is that we do the right thing, so it's only proper that the nature of our sponsors should be debated
Well done on introducing the f word to the debate in yet another 'our supprters are terrible' whinge.
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
Fantastic retort.
Could have probably done with a few more "chill out"s and "OMG!"s for dramatic effect though.
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
Fantastic retort.
Could have probably done with a few more "chill out"s and "OMG!"s for dramatic effect though.
surely you mean "chill out's" ? if you want to be pendantic about it?
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Wow, i never really believed it until now... A lot of Villa fans are arbitrary, capricious, changeable, cheating, coquettish, double-crossing, faithless, fitful, flighty, frivolous, inconstant, irresolute, lubricious, mercurial, mutable, quicksilver, sneaking, temperamental, ticklish, two-timing, unfaithful, unpredictable idiots.
We've had that bunch of arse levelled at us so much now that it must be true.
Consistently f1ckle?
A rare achievement, that.
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
Fantastic retort.
Could have probably done with a few more "chill out"s and "OMG!"s for dramatic effect though.
surely you mean "chill out's" ? if you want to be pendantic about it?
No, because "chill out" is the quote and it doesn't belong to anyone, therefore doesn't need the apostrophe.
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yeah well dave... thankfully i'm in a world where i can voice an opinion, which doesn't necessarily have to stick to your rules.
sorry, but sometimes some comments i read are just embarrassing.
thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
People 'moaned' that 32Red was unethical. One of the great things about Villa these days is that we do the right thing, so it's only proper that the nature of our sponsors should be debated
Well done on introducing the f word to the debate in yet another 'our supprters are terrible' whinge.
You expressing your opinon is fine, but anyone else expressing their opinion is moaning, and embarassing. Got you.
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Excellent, finally we’ve shrugged off helping kids and gone for a sponsor which everyone can care about. Forex trading really warms my heart.
What?? Give the announcement another read through mate
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Is booze banned now? Now Liverpool have finished with Carlsberg I can't think of any big club with a booze sponsor.
And we've not been blessed with sexy sponsors down the years, it must be said. Yoghurts, photocopiers and hospices! And now a Cypriot pension fund.
It's time to reclaim the spirit of Davenports. What about getting Viz to knock up a claret and blue version of their 'Booze 'n' Fags' t-shirt and try to sell it as a generic endorsement to every death and misery merchant in the commercial world.
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Dont forget vans as well
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Has no-one explored the opportunities for sponsorship from porn websites?
Or look at sponsoring Villa Park as the 'Razzle-Rena' ?
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Quite right, Dave. And if the "chill out's" were meant to be plural there is no apostrophe either - the phrase would read "chill outs". The plural of apple is apples, not apple's. Unless you're a grocer, of course.
The Acorns deal was a wonderful gesture by the club, and it also garnered a fair amount of publicity. Once we switch to revenue generating shirt sponsors the club simply have to negotiate the most lucrative deal available (within reason, of course - I wouldn't expect us to accept £50m from the Taliban or Rohypnol, though help from the Taliban would be pretty nifty at the Sty. There were at least a couple of home games last season where I would willingly have self administered Rohypnol too).
On a non-financial level I would love a big name in the public eye, as I think that would generate association with the club in a non-footballing context, which can only help our own profile in a wider arena.
Oh for the halcyon days of Barratt Homes sponsorship....
quote="dave.woodhall"]thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
Fantastic retort.
Could have probably done with a few more "chill out"s and "OMG!"s for dramatic effect though.
surely you mean "chill out's" ? if you want to be pendantic about it?
No, because "chill out" is the quote and it doesn't belong to anyone, therefore doesn't need the apostrophe.[/quote]
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Another idea
BP
Except make its clear its 'British Petroleum'
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it is worth nothing that FXPro are not a massive company, not even when compared to previous sponsors. They're a four year old Cypriot registered company.
Interesting choice of sponsors. As you say, not a massive company but a growing one. A financial services company which is in Randy's field of expertise. I wonder if he is taking a gamble on this company being the next big thing, let's hope so.
With all companies these days, FxPro say the right things about corporate social responsibility so the Acorns connection fits well with them.
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Is booze banned now? Now Liverpool have finished with Carlsberg I can't think of any big club with a booze sponsor.
Aren't Everton still sponsored by Chang, the Thai beer company
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It sounds ambiguous enough to work for me.
"FXPro? Who's that, the firm behind the special effects for Dr Who?" (in fairness, that would probably be FX Semi-Pro).
From a purely aesthetics point of view, FXPro in white on a claret background should look OK too.
No problem with the deal as far as I'm concerned. They're paying the rate we requested, name sounds OK and as far as I'm aware they aren't linked to any child labour rackets in S.E Asia.
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So what is going to be on the shirt-forex or fxpro?
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Im sure Randy knows more about this company then any of us, and wouldnt have just gone with any company if it wasnt ethical.
They sponsor Virgin Racing, soas a layman, id say they are a company who are looking to get bigger.
If they are prepared to pay whatever valuation that Randy put on the sponsorship deal, and they are happy to work with Acorns, then thats the important thing.
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A friend of mine in the finance game described them as a company that is doing to the financial trading market what Betfair did to the bookmaking market. He gave them a big thumbs up.
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
you are the biggest prick I have ever come accross on here
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Great news on one hand in respect to more revenue coming into the club.
On the other they must have one of the worst slogans I have ever seen!
"Trade Forex Like A Pro" - WTF?
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straight to the point, but I've seen worse!
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Blimey Chico that's a bit strong. I share his irritation that there always seem to be those who like nothing more than a good sneer. maybe that makes me a prick too?
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win / win for me...
we get some money on our terms from a sponsorship deal for improvements, and acorns get ours and the sponsors help and support...
good deal for all parties...
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Wonder how long it will be before they go bust!!??
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Wonder how long it will be before they go bust!!??
Steady on. They're Professionals.
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
Do those type of companies have the cash to put into football sponsorship just now?
In the current econmic climate I think we have to be pleased that we've secured a deal that met our asking price.
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yeah well dave... thankfully i'm in a world where i can voice an opinion, which doesn't necessarily have to stick to your rules.
sorry, but sometimes some comments i read are just embarrassing.
What incredibly over the top, melodramatic ways you choose to debate. You can't seem to make a point without needing to get an insult in. And you tell other people to get a life.
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I don't mind it. We needed a sponsor we have one.
As long as the money is right
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I don't mind it. We needed a sponsor we have one.
As long as the money is right
too right.we need a RB....
and a striker
and a creative midfielder
;-)))
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
you are the biggest prick I have ever come accross on here
I think, technically, in a manner of speaking, you've broken the rules and have to be officially warned.
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Just doing a quick bit of 'reserach', to others to find what the going rate seems to be, and found that Liverpool have their new £20m 4 year deal, so £5m year, and Arsenal, Man City and Spurs all get £5m a year aswell. Also, saw that Fulham get £4m a year.
Bearing that in mind, I think we should be looking for more then Fulham, but can't see us getting more than those other clubs due to their higher profile. So it'll be somewhere between £4m-£5m for me!
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I'm just glad that we have a commercial sponsor.
We aren't Barcelona and as such, we need to be looking to generate as much money as we can into the club.
At a guess, I'd say we're making £3.5 million a year from FxPro.
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I'd like to think it's £4m (at least what Fulham get) so we're getting £12m over the three years.
Decent business!
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Is it forex or fxpro going on the shirts?
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Is it forex
Has anyone done the Castlemaine joke yet?
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Is it forex or fxpro going on the shirts?
I'm going to guess that it's FXPro.
In the same way as when the sponsor was Rover we didn't just wear shirts with 'Cars' written on them and when it was Muller the shirts didn't just say 'Yoghurts'.
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Yoghurts would have been a great sponsor.
I also would have liked the following on our shirt:
Men
Toilets
Browns
Fun
Animals
Pacas
Countries
Anuses
Grunty
Tony
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Is it forex
Has anyone done the Castlemaine joke yet?
Yep, about 5 pages ago.
FWIW I like to have curry and beer on my shirt on Saturday nights
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Why is everyone just assuming that this company is in anyway unethical. I can't see any evidence from anything I have read online that we would suggest this. The whole financial services industry is not corrupt despite the press of the last 2 years.
I would prefer to trust Randys judgement on this. If you think he is the sort of person to sell out to anything dodgy or unethical then I think we should probably be questioning what other motives he has with regards his ownership of the club.l
If it helps here is a link to their Corporate Social Responsibility page.
https://www.fxpro.com/csr
Where do you draw the line? We all walk around with mobile phones probably built in a far east sweatshop, eat in fast food chains responsible for increases in child obesitry, use medicines and cosmetics tested on animals. I am sure if we had announced Nokia or McDonalds or Glaxo as shirt sponsors everyone would have been quite happy.
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Why is everyone just assuming that this company is in anyway unethical. I can't see any evidence from anything I have read online that we would suggest this. The whole financial services industry is not corrupt despite the press of the last 2 years.
I would prefer to trust Randys judgement on this. If you think he is the sort of person to sell out to anything dodgy or unethical then I think we should probably be questioning what other motives he has with regards his ownership of the club.l
If it helps here is a link to their Corporate Social Responsibility page.
https://www.fxpro.com/csr
Where do you draw the line? We all walk around with mobile phones probably built in a far east sweatshop, eat in fast food chains responsible for increases in child obesitry, use medicines and cosmetics tested on animals. I am sure if we had announced Nokia or McDonalds or Glaxo as shirt sponsors everyone would have been quite happy.
I think there's a lot of truth to what you've said there. FxPro doesn't seem glamorous like a major brand might have been, but like you, I haven't read anywhere that they are anything but a good company. Sure, they don't have a lot of history but it doesn't make them a bad company to be associated with. Just imagine if we had done this deal a couple of months ago with a massive oil company like BP. It would been "great", ooh for about 4 minutes and then royally shit thereafter.
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There's nothing wrong with this business. They're not a household name - so what? If they are 4 years old as is reported earlier up this chain (before it deteriorated into something off MSN), they've done a cracking job to ride out the worst recession we've had in generattions. They must be very well managed. To be fair, the same could be said for F&C over at the Sty.
Forex trading is often win-win - when the dollar is strong against the pound the trade goes one way, years later the next. Their profit from trading is still the same.
Let's hope they can help Randy get a better Euro rate for some of this summers transfers.
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Well I for one welcome our new overlords and if they need any help in rounding up any spare cash from malingering Villa fans then I am ready to help.
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
God God there's always someone isn't there. Yeah lets get sponsored by a local firm for very little cash. After all thats what we need to compete....
Some people just whinge for the sake of it don't they...Fuck....I thought I was bad!!
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
God God there's always someone isn't there. Yeah lets get sponsored by a local firm for very little cash. After all thats what we need to compete....
Some people just whinge for the sake of it don't they...Fuck....I thought I was bad!!
You are bad! ;-)
I'm happy with the sponsor.
Much needed revenue.
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Someone who actually makes something? Employs local (even British) people? A household name?
God God there's always someone isn't there. Yeah lets get sponsored by a local firm for very little cash. After all thats what we need to compete....
Some people just whinge for the sake of it don't they...Fuck....I thought I was bad!!
You are bad! ;-)
I'm happy with the sponsor.
Much needed revenue.
I am.
Seriously though. What do people expect us to do? We've just done a very honorable thing by having ACORNS on the front of our shirt. Then when we sort out our largest ever sponsorship deal people moan at that. Maybe Randy should just let everybody in for free to Villa Park. Maybe he can employ a personal masseur for everybody to enjoy whilst they watch the game?
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That's stretching it bob- I'd settle for a half time masseur, as long as she's fit thanks!
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thankyou...
My point was, we now have a sponsor that's giving us a bit of cash... and people are moaning that we're being unethical and the like.
Get a life.
you are the biggest prick I have ever come accross on here
I think, technically, in a manner of speaking, you've broken the rules and have to be officially warned.
For what? Poor spelling?
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Nothing unethical about Forex trading, and I am down considerably in my personal account. :(
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Ethics?
Does anybody wear a football shirt that was made by a child in Indonesia, Vietnam, or China?
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F##k ethics. weve done our part. now lets get lots of lovely lovely cash that will help us get better players and get in the champions league! whoa ha ha ha!
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Let's be honest. However good it makes us feel about ourselves if we had received a decent offer in the last couple of years Acorns would not have been on the shirt. It has been great fro the club and the charity.
This is all about revenue generation and making the club self financing. Ethics and moral high grounds left football some time ago.
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That's stretching it bob- I'd settle for a half time masseur, as long as she's fit thanks!
A masseur is a man.
He might well be fit, I'm sure at the very least he'll know a fair bit about reflexology.
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Ethics ?
Isn't that a county to the east of London ?
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Ethics ?
Isn't that a county to the east of London ?
Yeth, it ith.
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Glad the Acorns association is remaining.
Me too. That was one of the things that attracted me to Villa as well as Barca were the charity connections. Shows a lot about a team to do that. You sure as shit won't see ManU doing it!
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...............and you won't see us doing it again either.
I don't think anyone really cared other than Acorns, mainly because Acorns are not a national charity.
It was a nice gesture I have to admit.
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...............and you won't see us doing it again either.
I don't think anyone really cared other than Acorns, mainly because Acorns are not a national charity.
It was a nice gesture I have to admit.
The trouble is the world is a hard, hard place these days, with most people thinking about themselves and not anybody else.
Randy seems to me to be a guy that genuinely cares, a true philanthropist, albeit in a small way.
A logo on a football shirt can only go so far in raising money through exposure. What Villa have done is linked their new sponsorship with Acorns so they now have links with Villa and FxPro. If Villa continue to do this with other companies it could grow, a bit like a pyramid scheme. In this way, contributors at the base give a little but the charity at the top receive a great deal more than they would through a logo on the shirt.
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Word is we're going to have the sponsor and the tagline on the shirt.
Nowt against the FXPro part.
But 'Trade Forex like a Pro' will look a bit pants.
Still, they're paying so I guess they call the shots.
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Yep. The Trade Forex like a pro part is a little cheesy to say the least!
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Pretty bored with the money vs. ethics-rubbish. How about a genuine opinion?
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I don't think anyone really cared other than Acorns,
What anyone else thinks doesn't matter in this case anyway.
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Not quite sure whats unethical about a foreign exchange company.....they certainly give a better deal to their customers than the banks, so quite happy.
Someone on another website seemed to think it was worth about £8m per season, that'll do.
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does anyone know what the deal was ? ie how much?
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Speculation suggests a low estimate would be £3-5million per year.
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Lovin' the new AC Milan Home Kit.
(http://www.footballshirtculture.com/images/AC-Milan-10-11-adidas-home-kit-leaked-2.jpg)
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Yep, dark socks go well.
We should go with either claret or black socks.
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Black socks for sure. Claret and blue hoops at the top. Ace
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does anyone know what the deal was ? ie how much?
The only figure I have seen is in a report in The Express - clicky (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/180792/Martin-O-Neill-in-money-over-James-Milner-shirt), which suggests a whopping £20m over 3 years.
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does anyone know what the deal was ? ie how much?
The only figure I have seen is in a report in The Express - clicky (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/180792/Martin-O-Neill-in-money-over-James-Milner-shirt), which suggests a whopping £20m over 3 years.
I can't see it being £20m over three years as that woud top the deals Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Man City are all on. And frankly our profile is not yet big enough to be able to do that.
However, the article does raise an interesting point about the finances. New shirt deal, Gardner sold in Jan, potential HUGE income from Milner and then the other players set to go. Is Randy lining up a 'war chest' for one last big spending spree before the new UEFA rules come in?
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The figure does tie in with what I've heard. Something in the region of £6m per year with some incentives.
Bear in mind that this is a deal concluded very recently and that deals done by other clubs have been agreed a while ago. But we are a top Premier League club after all and our deals should reflect that. Plus, the people who run this club are no mugs.
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I'm sure Randy & Co have negotiated hard, but the Liverpool deal with Standard Mutual, reported to be £20m over 4 years, only comes in next season. I just can't see us getting more per season than they do. A smaller deal with incentives that could therefore potentially rise to £20m, such as CL qualification, sounds more likely to me!
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does anyone know what the deal was ? ie how much?
The only figure I have seen is in a report in The Express - clicky (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/180792/Martin-O-Neill-in-money-over-James-Milner-shirt), which suggests a whopping £20m over 3 years.
I can't see it being £20m over three years as that woud top the deals Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Man City are all on. And frankly our profile is not yet big enough to be able to do that.
No it wouldn't. Liverpool's deal with Standard Chartered is £20 million per season.
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I'm sure Randy & Co have negotiated hard, but the Liverpool deal with Standard Mutual, reported to be £20m over 4 years, only comes in next season. I just can't see us getting more per season than they do. A smaller deal with incentives that could therefore potentially rise to £20m, such as CL qualification, sounds more likely to me!
Ads has already corrected this. I'll add that (if my info is correct) we are getting what is reported in the Express and that the incentives are a very minor percentage of this.
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If it's £20m a season they're getting then I stand corrected. Fucking ridiculous if it is, but it would make £6m a year sound more likely for us!
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It is silly money. Its bigger than Man Utds deal with Aon and few would argue Man Utd are significantly bigger than Liverpool.
Unfortunately for Liverpool, there is a black hole of cash there that will swallow it up.
It will cover their debt interest payments only for instance. So I can't see them using that cash to reinforce much.
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The Liverpool deal is certainly a big one but I am sure the £20million was dependent on them getting Champs League football. I fear for them that finishing seventh has hit this sum.
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does anyone know what the deal was ? ie how much?
The only figure I have seen is in a report in The Express - clicky (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/180792/Martin-O-Neill-in-money-over-James-Milner-shirt), which suggests a whopping £20m over 3 years.
I can't see it being £20m over three years as that woud top the deals Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Man City are all on. And frankly our profile is not yet big enough to be able to do that.
However, the article does raise an interesting point about the finances. New shirt deal, Gardner sold in Jan, potential HUGE income from Milner and then the other players set to go. Is Randy lining up a 'war chest' for one last big spending spree before the new UEFA rules come in?
According to RL's quotes a while back, it's more likely that any windfall from a new commercial shirt sponsor will go primarily towards the North Stand redevelopment.
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Which brings me to another point. The North Stand work could be paid for by a sponsor of the North Stand. This might not be FxPro but it could be on the table.
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New Arsenal away kit.
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1985/arsenalawaykit.jpg)
What time is our kit released today?
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If you didn't say that it was Arsenal away I'd be puzzled as to why Cesc Fabregas had rejected Barcelona for Motherwell.
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Its like a yellow version of our 3rd kit last season.
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from some research i made for the 2010-2011 season teams wil be making per season:
Chelsea, at least £11m, Samsung
Man Utd £20m, AON for 4 seasons
Arsenal £6.7m, Emirates for 4 more seasons
Tottenham looking for sponsorship, i read about a £50m for 5-6 seasons
Man City £10m, Etihad for 3 seasons
Aston Villa £6.7m, FxPro for 3 season
Liverpool £20m, Standard Chartered Bank for 4 season
Everton £2.5m, Chang expires at the end of season
Newcastle £2.5m, Northen Rock for 4 seasons
With 32red we got 900k per season, and all these sponsors are only the main kit sponsors.
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If the reported figures are accurate, it is certainly a big step forward commercially, as I suppose was the Nike deal. With the improved attendances, corporate facilities and presumably, corporate 'take', it continues good progress on revenue IMO. Well done to all concerned.
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Ner ner ner ner ner, told you so... etc.
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A guy on Arsenal-mania who works for a sports chain has seen the new kit. I quote:
I attended something through work (I have the misfortune for working in Mike Ashley’s dreaded sports chain), entitled the Nike Sports Summit. They are annual things where they teach us about their new products and a major part of this one was the World Cup, the New Premiership ball and funnily enough the new kits next season.
So I have the fun of being able to confirm that both of Arsenalinsider’s mock ups are nigh on spot on. The only major difference in the samples we were shown is that the away shirt has a v-neck collar. I did ask the Nike Rep presenting it about the shirts with the cannon, and smaller Emirates logo, and he stated (but was a bit hesitant as he claimed he hadn’t seen the shots) that there were plans to wear a one off shirt akin to when Manure wore a one off shirt in tribute to those who passed in the Munich air disaster. Take it with a pinch of salt though, as he didn’t really seem sure and just seemed to agree with the point/question I raised to him along those lines.
Just a few notes on the other kits we saw. Inter have a new white away shirt, with a fancy looking dragon snaking down the sleeve onto the body of the shirt. Manure have a new home and away, the home looking akin to the new Brazil home with the same seams running down the sleeves but with a short white collar cutting into a V-neck. The Away was white, with red and black bolts at the top of the sleeves. Villa’s home and away looked akin to the new Holland home, but with checks on both shirts running down from under the sleeve. Barca had a interesting away shirt, in light green, with a red and blue strip across the chest. There were other shirts, but I’m sure I am boring you and my descriptions are pretty woeful
Hollands away is woeful.
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The away is more intruiguing than the home IMO, the home is gonna be more of the same with a few slight differences (the checks).
I don't think we've ever anything exciting to expect with our home shirt, part of Randy's plans was to maintain tradition and create a recognisable brand. We'll be sticking with this shade of claret, blue sleeves and the badge for a while yet.
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My best mate tells me that FoxPro are also one of the main sponsors of the WRC (World Rally Championship) as he works on the TV highlights.
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A guy on Arsenal-mania who works for a sports chain has seen the new kit. I quote:
I attended something through work (I have the misfortune for working in Mike Ashley’s dreaded sports chain), entitled the Nike Sports Summit. They are annual things where they teach us about their new products and a major part of this one was the World Cup, the New Premiership ball and funnily enough the new kits next season.
So I have the fun of being able to confirm that both of Arsenalinsider’s mock ups are nigh on spot on. The only major difference in the samples we were shown is that the away shirt has a v-neck collar. I did ask the Nike Rep presenting it about the shirts with the cannon, and smaller Emirates logo, and he stated (but was a bit hesitant as he claimed he hadn’t seen the shots) that there were plans to wear a one off shirt akin to when Manure wore a one off shirt in tribute to those who passed in the Munich air disaster. Take it with a pinch of salt though, as he didn’t really seem sure and just seemed to agree with the point/question I raised to him along those lines.
Just a few notes on the other kits we saw. Inter have a new white away shirt, with a fancy looking dragon snaking down the sleeve onto the body of the shirt. Manure have a new home and away, the home looking akin to the new Brazil home with the same seams running down the sleeves but with a short white collar cutting into a V-neck. The Away was white, with red and black bolts at the top of the sleeves. Villa’s home and away looked akin to the new Holland home, but with checks on both shirts running down from under the sleeve. Barca had a interesting away shirt, in light green, with a red and blue strip across the chest. There were other shirts, but I’m sure I am boring you and my descriptions are pretty woeful
Hollands away is woeful.
Nike kits are very boring now.......it''s like their design team has resigned so they give the job to a student who puts the teams colours on a Nike template and then sell them for £50 each.
Amazing !
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That Arsenal tracktop Walcott is wearing is class. Hope we have something similar.
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That Arsenal tracktop Walcott is wearing is class. Hope we have something similar.
I've got a Claret and White Nike top exactly the same as that. Got it a few years ago from Merry Hell.
It's nice :)
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I heard the sponsor was ADickFor, no?
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I heard the sponsor was ADickFor, no?
I don't get it.
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Is Martyn writing jokes for others now?
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I heard the sponsor was ADickFor, no?
I don't get it.
I don't think you're the only one.
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My best mate tells me that FoxPro are also one of the main sponsors of the WRC (World Rally Championship) as he works on the TV highlights.
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=g00
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See that Fulham have them aswell....http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2010/June/SponsorshipAnnouncement.aspx
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great, a fledgling business throwing money around on sponsorship deals.
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looks like we didn't screw them for as much as they could have afforded.
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I heard the sponsor was ADickFor, no?
I don't get it.
I don't think you're the only one.
He certainly isn't. Call me Mr Thicky, but I don't get it either.
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I think..... (think) that what he wanted you to do was type "what's ADickFor?" so he could say, for banging your mother, or something like that.
There is a joke in the South Park movie which is similar.
That's my guess anyway.
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Fulham Football Club has today announced a new and exciting sponsorship deal with FxPro Financial Services Ltd (FxPro). FxPro, a leading global retail broker in FX and CFDs, will join the Club as its Main Sponsor from July 2010 on a three year deal. This will see the FxPro brand appear on the front of the First Team shirt until the summer of 2013.
The agreement, which follows Fulham’s recent successes in Europe and its highest ever Barclays Premier League finish, is the biggest in the Club’s history. Integral to the agreement is support from FxPro for a variety of Fulham Foundation initiatives, with particular focus, and funding, for Fulham Deaf FC.
Fulham’s outstanding media platforms, along with its enviable London location, were important factors for FxPro in the formation of a partnership. The high end hospitality offering, brand positioning, and well executed marketing initiatives reinforced the benefits for both parties in a joint long term union.
Alistair Mackintosh, Chief Executive at Fulham said:
‘I am delighted to welcome FxPro to Fulham during a period of such success and optimism on and off the pitch. It is always a cause for celebration when you have an opportunity to work with a brand that shares your commitment and vision for success.
'FxPro already has global presence and, partnering another Premier League football club, will enhance this even further. Clearly this has additional benefits for Fulham’s global reach which, following the European success of last season and the recognition the Club received worldwide, is something that we are extremely excited about’.
Denis Sukhotin, Director for FxPro added:
‘FxPro is delighted to team up with Fulham Football Club for the next three years. Fulham’s success during the last campaign in both the Barclays Premier League and in the UEFA Europa League saw the Club capture the imagination of football fans, not just in the UK but internationally.
'FxPro is committed to raising the profile of Fulham FC and supporting the Club as it seeks to replicate last season’s success in the domestic and European competitions during the period of our association.’
Read more: http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2010/June/SponsorshipAnnouncement.aspx#ixzz0rxPutF00/
Thats a bit shit.
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A bit strange, sponsoring two teams, isn't it?
I mean, I can't say I care much about sponsors one way or the other, to be honest, but still.........a bit strange, isn't it?
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Rangers and Celtic have had the same sponsor for ages. They've both just changed from Carling to Tennants.
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As did we - NTL...Newcastle, Rangers and Celtic had it at the same time as us.
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Ah, right. Well, in that case....
A bit common, sponsoring two teams, isn't it?
I mean, I can't say I care much about sponsors one way or the other, to be honest, but still.........a bit common, isn't it?
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Rangers and Celtic both have the same sponsor.
Can't see it being a problem.
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great, a fledgling business throwing money around on sponsorship deals.
1) How fledgling are they ?
2) It's called marketing
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great, a fledgling business throwing money around on sponsorship deals.
1) How fledgling are they ?
This time four years ago they didn't exist.
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I am being sceptical now thinking the Korean player linked is something we may see more of as a way of increasing the profile of a Foreign exchange trading company - I am thinking similar to Everton being sponsered by a China Telecom and then signing 2 Chinease players around the same time
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great, a fledgling business throwing money around on sponsorship deals.
1) How fledgling are they ?
This time four years ago they didn't exist.
http://www.fishupdate.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/13177/Record_increase_in_salmon_prices.html
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What's that got to do with the price of fish?
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What's that got to do with the price of fish?
What price of fish ? !!
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Holy shit, the salmon price is going up?!
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Didn't Sheffield Wednesday and Southampton have the same kit sponsor for a while? Sanderson or somebody?
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Weren't Rangers and Celtic both sponsored by Carling at the same time? edit - just read Sandman's post on the last page ( weren't they both sponsored by CR Smith as well?)
Wigan and Bolton both sponsored by 118Bet?
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I am being sceptical now thinking the Korean player linked is something we may see more of as a way of increasing the profile of a Foreign exchange trading company - I am thinking similar to Everton being sponsered by a China Telecom and then signing 2 Chinease players around the same time
Yeah, that'll be a sure fire winner with Martin, and his well publicised love for foreign players, in charge!
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Rangers and Celtic both have the same sponsor.
Can't see it being a problem.
Because to sponsor only one of Celtic and Rangers would be Commercial Suicide. I would call it bigotry but I've brought or intend to buy a Triton shower.
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Rangers and Celtic both have the same sponsor.
Can't see it being a problem.
Because to sponsor only one of Celtic and Rangers would be Commercial Suicide. I would call it bigotry but I've brought or intend to buy a Triton shower.
You intend or never intend?
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Not sure about this. I know it's just a sponsorship deal, but... From a branding perspective it seems we have gone from being unique in the league to being chucked in with a team that we fancy ourselves as being a tier up from. Jars a little bit.
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Fulhams website is cack.
Any club with a neutral zone shouldn't be allowed in the FAPL.
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Fulhams website is cack.
Any club with a neutral zone shouldn't be allowed in the FAPL.
Yeah, all that "people getting on with other" and "watching football matches happily".
What sort of monster came up with that idea?
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Not sure about this. I know it's just a sponsorship deal, but... From a branding perspective it seems we have gone from being unique in the league to being chucked in with a team that we fancy ourselves as being a tier up from. Jars a little bit.
Aye, I agree. It doesn't change anything and it's probably a bit elitist, but it has annoyed me a bit.
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Fulhams website is cack.
Any club with a neutral zone shouldn't be allowed in the FAPL.
Yeah, all that "people getting on with other" and "watching football matches happily".
What sort of monster came up with that idea?
Scenario: A handful of half pissed away fans can't get tickets for the allocated away end. Thus they end up in the 'neutral zone'.
Fulham score, to the slight delight of the genuine neutrals in the area. These pissed, tanked up morons don't take this to heart & decide to give these people a mouthful, despite them (quite rightly) having every right to be in that end. Thus trouble breaks out.
All of a sudden, everyone getting along doesn't quite work out as intended... Given that the world is indeed full of morons like these, this is a possibility, no??
So what happens when someones punched a couple of times because of the above scenario?
Who is to blame...?
No neutral zone - no trouble.
If you're a neutral, whats' wrong with just sitting in the home ends????
Discuss please Dave?
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If that was a regular occurrence would there be a neutral end?
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If that was a regular occurrence would there be a neutral end?
No, i was simply giving my reasoning for my opinion which was belittled by our good moderator friend Dave :-)
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If that was a regular occurrence would there be a neutral end?
No, i was simply giving my reasoning for my opinion which was belittled by our good moderator friend Dave :-)
How about this scenario: A couple of thousand people, who support the home, away or no team, watch a match peacefully regardless of the score. Except that's not a scenario in the accepted, imaginary, sense - it happens at every Fulham match.
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Fulhams website is cack.
Any club with a neutral zone shouldn't be allowed in the FAPL.
What you are basically saying is that you don't think opposition supporters should ever, in no circumstances, meet.
What year is this?
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Fulhams website is cack.
A handful of half pissed away fans can't get tickets for the allocated away end.
I have two young Villa fans in the household who's introduction to football, and the Villa, was via the Fulham neutral end. Suppose I had better tell them that it was because they were part of a handful of half pissed away fans can't get tickets for the allocated away end.
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Not sure about this. I know it's just a sponsorship deal, but... From a branding perspective it seems we have gone from being unique in the league to being chucked in with a team that we fancy ourselves as being a tier up from. Jars a little bit.
Aye, I agree. It doesn't change anything and it's probably a bit elitist, but it has annoyed me a bit.
I dont get these two points.
We have the same shirt sponsor as Fulham but our deals will be significantly different. I dont see how we're being "chucked in" with them either. We're not partners, there is no other connection.
If not having a charity on the shirt has annoyed you, well I can understand but it cant go on forever if we want to be competitive. Besides which, our partnership with Acorns remains and we'll be just as active with and supportive of them.
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Fulhams website is cack.
Any club with a neutral zone shouldn't be allowed in the FAPL.
Yeah, all that "people getting on with other" and "watching football matches happily".
What sort of monster came up with that idea?
Scenario: A handful of half pissed away fans can't get tickets for the allocated away end. Thus they end up in the 'neutral zone'.
Fulham score, to the slight delight of the genuine neutrals in the area. These pissed, tanked up morons don't take this to heart & decide to give these people a mouthful, despite them (quite rightly) having every right to be in that end. Thus trouble breaks out.
All of a sudden, everyone getting along doesn't quite work out as intended... Given that the world is indeed full of morons like these, this is a possibility, no??
So what happens when someones punched a couple of times because of the above scenario?
Who is to blame...?
No neutral zone - no trouble.
If you're a neutral, whats' wrong with just sitting in the home ends????
Discuss please Dave?
Only, Fulham have had a neutral end for years, and the above scenario clearly doesn't happen, otherwise there wouldn't be a neutral end any more.
It is a very interesting idea, it works very well, and it is one of the things which go a long way to making Fulham the best away trip there is.
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Fulhams website is cack.
Any club with a neutral zone shouldn't be allowed in the FAPL.
Yeah, all that "people getting on with other" and "watching football matches happily".
What sort of monster came up with that idea?
Scenario: A handful of half pissed away fans can't get tickets for the allocated away end. Thus they end up in the 'neutral zone'.
Fulham score, to the slight delight of the genuine neutrals in the area. These pissed, tanked up morons don't take this to heart & decide to give these people a mouthful, despite them (quite rightly) having every right to be in that end. Thus trouble breaks out.
All of a sudden, everyone getting along doesn't quite work out as intended... Given that the world is indeed full of morons like these, this is a possibility, no??
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Just when I thought you couldn't post anything more ridiculous, you go and trump yourself with more rubbish.
You really should go to more away games and not be so scared.
The neutral end at Craven Cottage is always half full of away fans. In fact, when they play "bigger" London teams, the neutral end becomes the de-facto away end. I've sat in there every season since it opened - usually as pissed as a monkey - surrounded by "neutrals", Fulham fans and Villa fans ( even next to a few of the posters on here). Villa have conceded 10 goals in the last 6 games at Craven Cottage and there's never been a sniff of trouble. I'm sure anyone who's actually been in the neutral end will agree.
You should try it before you make nonsense comments like the one above, no??
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Not sure about this. I know it's just a sponsorship deal, but... From a branding perspective it seems we have gone from being unique in the league to being chucked in with a team that we fancy ourselves as being a tier up from. Jars a little bit.
Aye, I agree. It doesn't change anything and it's probably a bit elitist, but it has annoyed me a bit.
I dont get these two points.
We have the same shirt sponsor as Fulham but our deals will be significantly different. I dont see how we're being "chucked in" with them either. We're not partners, there is no other connection.
If not having a charity on the shirt has annoyed you, well I can understand but it cant go on forever if we want to be competitive. Besides which, our partnership with Acorns remains and we'll be just as active with and supportive of them.
Take your point, and maybe I am being a touch sniffy. But in my very simple way of viewing the world, things like shirt sponsor are shorthand for size of club, in the economic sense. We may be getting paid twice as much to carry the logo, and the deal may be structured entirely differently. It just suggests we are fishing in the same pond as them for a deal, which I can't imagine say spurs doing.
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Take your point, and maybe I am being a touch sniffy. But in my very simple way of viewing the world, things like shirt sponsor are shorthand for size of club, in the economic sense. We may be getting paid twice as much to carry the logo, and the deal may be structured entirely differently. It just suggests we are fishing in the same pond as them for a deal, which I can't imagine say spurs doing.
I don't really agree with that as large clubs often have sponsors that are hardly household names. How many people outside of the insurance industry had heard of AIG before they sponsored Man U?
Who are sponsors are will not attract players or fans to the club, so the only issue, other than making sure we're in bed with someone ethical, is how much wonga we're getting.
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I think..... (think) that what he wanted you to do was type "what's ADickFor?" so he could say, for banging your mother, or something like that.
There is a joke in the South Park movie which is similar.
That's my guess anyway.
yeah, it's like a famous for being bad joke.
I have been trying to get someone with it for about 15 years of my life, but it has never worked. The joke of telling the joke is the actual joke, not the joke itself (does that even make sense?)
But I now realize that it only works in conversation, not when typed.
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Bloody-hell how late am I? jUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM fULHAM AND SAW - OOPS- they have the same sponsors. But then I was more interested in this debate.
I always go into the neutral end at Fulham and there has never been an inkling of trouble. Its funny that the best away day on the calendar is only spoilt by the 19 year-olds in the big city and thinking anyone is remotely impressed by their singing in the pubs.
Again, not that I'm that perturbed by it. But Putney is great, the walk to the ground is great, not a hint of trouble (apart from our over-excited youth), and a decent old-fashioned ground.