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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on June 02, 2010, 08:32:11 PM
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Is this true?
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I hope not. A summer long of "O Neill to Liverpool!" speculation would drive me bananas.
I still don't think Liverpool could afford to sack him either.
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Is this true?
Where you heard that Leeg?
Maybe he's leaving for Inter?
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It's not. Many apologies.
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Not sacked, but not looking like he's going to be around for much longer (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article7142868.ece)
Liverpool have attempted to pave the way for Rafael Benitez’s departure by offering their manager a compromise deal to leave the club this summer.
In what amounts to a vote of no confidence in Benitez, the Liverpool board approved a proposal to the Spaniard which would see him depart Anfield with a lucrative pay off worth in the region of £3 million up front.
According to the terms of the five-year contract he signed in March 2009, Benitez is entitled to a £16 million severance package but given their current financial predicament there is no possibility of Liverpool being able to come up with that kind of money, regardless of their desire to bring about a change of manager.
As such, the club’s hierarchy is hoping that Benitez will stand aside without demanding the windfall that he would otherwise due or else they will have no option but to allow him to continue in the role he has been in since the summer of 2004 in the knowledge that he is no longer wanted.
Though Benitez is yet to accept the offer, the chances of a compromise being reached were raised by indications from the 50-year-old that he would not be able to take the club any further if, as expected, the current restrictions on transfer spending are extended into another summer. Despite claims by co-owner Tom Hicks last week that Liverpool are set to spend big in the coming months, the reality is that their transfer budget is currently limited to £15 million at most and there are yet to be any assurances that they will be able to re-invest the proceeds from player sales to any great extent.
Had Benitez received the guarantees he had been looking for during talks with Martin Broughton, Liverpool’s chairman, then the current situation would not have arisen but with both parties unable to envisage a way of working together for the good of the club a parting of the ways now looks increasingly inevitable.
Such is Liverpool’s palsied fiscal state, they recently posted record annual losses of £55 million and are saddled with debts totalling £351 million, Broughton was simply unable to offer Benitez the guarantees he was looking for and after a desperately disappointing campaign in which they finished seventh in the Barclays Premier League and failed to qualify for next season’s Champions League the club’s hierarchy would not have been keen to extend Benitez’s tenure anyway.
Inter Milan ready to offer Benitez an escape route to Italy should he show any willingness to follow in the footsteps of Jose Mourinho, his managerial arch rival, although Benitez’s agent, Manuel Garcia Quillon, has insisted that the reigning European and Italian champions have not made any contact with his client.
“I don’t know anything about Inter,” Quillon said. “No one has contacted me, it’s just transfer speculation.”
Massimo Moratti, the Inter president, is a confirmed admirer of Benitez and is monitoring his position. On Monday, he made his admiration and his interest public when he told reporters that “I have always thought Benitez is a good coach, but he is linked with Liverpool” and he will be encouraged by the fact that those links now appear to be loosening.
It would be problematic for Liverpool to find a top class replacement given that they cannot offer managerial candidates either a squad that is equipped for a title challenge or a substantial transfer package to tempt them. The situation is further complicated by the fact that the club is up for sale and the Liverpool board may not feel able to offer Benitez’s successor a long-term contract in case potential investors are not impressed by their choice. That could mean a temporary manger is the only viable solution, at least until a buyer is found.
It is against this backdrop of managerial intrigue and endemic uncertainty at Anfield that Real Madrid have raised the stakes in their bid to sign Steven Gerrard. The front page of yesterday’s Marca, the newspaper that is most associated with Real, carried a picture of the Liverpool captain and a story revealing that he is Jose Mourinho’s number one transfer target.
Though adamant that Gerrard is not for sale, Liverpool are bracing themselves for an offer, probably in the region of €30 million, from Real and Pepe Reina is hoping that both club and player will resist the overtures from the Spanish giants.
“I hope Gerrard will not go to Real Madrid and that he will stay with Liverpool for a long time, that he will be with us for the rest of his career,” the goalkeeper said. “I understand that something will happen, that Real Madrid are interested in Gerrard because Mourinho knows him very well and he is a footballer who can play in any team in the world.”
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I hope he stays. He's been great for them, as far as i'm concerned!
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I hope he stays. He's been great for them, as far as i'm concerned!
Haha I agree!
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No smoke without fire.
He's off I reckon.
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He's been offered £3m to walk.
MON to Liverpool please.
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He's been offered £3m to walk.
MON to Liverpool please.
Got to happen...hasn't it ?
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He's been offered £3m to walk.
MON to Liverpool please.
Got to happen...hasn't it ?
Rafa and Gerrard will leave Liverpool.
MON and Milner to leave us.
Wonder what the odds are?
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BBC Sport is saying "it understands" Benitez has been offered a severance deal.
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I would be astonished if MON was not our manager next season. Clearly liverpool must have someone in mind if they are prepared to pave the way for Rafa's exit, but I just can't see it being O'Neill - RAL and O'Neill have both said MON will be staying at Villa and that's more than good enough for me.
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I don't mind whether Benitez goes or stays. Either way, Liverpool are in a mess.
As for MON taking over - we know that he's a man who bears grudges. Would he go to Liverpool after they way they tried to bully him over the Barry saga?
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He would only go if they were the subject of a takoever and he knew he would get money to spend... like at Villa when he took over. If this happened it would be big trouble for us... he would probably go for Milner and (Ashley) Young straight away.
However, I've not heard of any Liverpool takeover so he'd have to be a nutter to go there.
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Two very good points there Frank.
I've always had this inkling that he wouldn't like the way they work and wouldn't want to go to a club in such a mess.
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He won't be missed.
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It's the pull of Liverpool FC though.
He might only get one offer from them, and that's more likely to be in their current predicament.
It's a cut throat, ego driven business at the best of times. He'd probably think he could go in there and improve on what they've done in recent seasons. Sign a few mid ranking prem stars, sort them out at set pieces and hope they buy into MON the enigmatic over-achiever.
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O’Neill knows which side his bread is buttered. There’s no way he’d get the same level of backing or control at Dipperville that he's got here.
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He would only go if they were the subject of a takoever and he knew he would get money to spend... like at Villa when he took over. If this happened it would be big trouble for us... he would probably go for Milner and (Ashley) Young straight away.
However, I've not heard of any Liverpool takeover so he'd have to be a nutter to go there.
I thought their new Chelsea supporting chairman said they would be taken over fairly soon, maybe I dreamt it!!
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Clearly I've not been paying attention... doesn't mean they've got oodles of cash to throw around though does it?
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Clearly I've not been paying attention... doesn't mean they've got oodles of cash to throw around though does it?
True, very true, but I imagine it would be a little bit more than they have now though!
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It possibly means they'll be more stable and 'as one' with the fans behind the board.
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Be very careful what you wish for.
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Rumours this morning that it was player power that forced him out. The bindipper fans will no doubt find some way to blame the american owners though....
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Scouseland dole office.
New claimant waits for 3 hours in queue then gets an interview.
"We don't have much need for 50 y.o fat spanish waiters, what else can you do?
"I used to be a football manager"
"Well sir looking at you recent record we might have a job for you, can you get the bus to El Nachos Cafe they might give you a job washing up."
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SSN say he is going next 48hrs.
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Benitez to Inter, Hodgson to Liverpool?
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Hiddinck's my main worry. think he'd be most acceptable to the scouse fans.
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He's off
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I think Rafa has done a great job.
Turning a half decent side into a laughing stock bag of shit.
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Kenny Dalglish being rumoured to take over as temporary manager.
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Think his biggest mistake was spending too much on the likes of Torres and not having the resources to cover the weaknesses in the rest of the team. what they need is someone who can bring in some good solid anglo saxon type players and look to get 4th long term over the next decade or so.
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Let's be frank; whether you back him at Villa or not, Martin is NOT going to go to Liverpool.
So lets just sit back and enjoy the comedy!
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Think his biggest mistake was spending too much on the likes of Torres and not having the resources to cover the weaknesses in the rest of the team. what they need is someone who can bring in some good solid anglo saxon type players and look to get 4th long term over the next decade or so.
Greg quick - there's a thread in off topic about the fishing rights in the Red Sea. If anyone can fit a bit of MON-bashing into it, you're the man for the job!
As for your first bit, I'd agree if you changed the name 'Torres' for 'Glen Johnson'.
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wasn't aware i mentioned MON John.
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Kenny Dalglish being rumoured to take over as temporary manager.
Laugh a minute there then...
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Kenny Dalglish being rumoured to take over as temporary manager.
Laugh a minute there then...
I'd always thought KD had that sort of dry, sly version of the Scots' sense of humour about him..would KD take it on a full-time basis I wonder...in any case I think they're going to struggle to recruit a real A-lister under the current ownership...
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yep. going to have to be someone reasonably cheap to get as well so i reckon that rules Hodgson out
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Hiddinck's my main worry. think he'd be most acceptable to the scouse fans.
yep. going to have to be someone reasonably cheap to get as well so i reckon that rules Hodgson out
You reckon Hiddink would be 'reasonably cheap' then?
And I wouldn't worry about Hiddink anyway. He's committed to Turkey who are paying him far more than Liverpool could afford.
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Just heard a Liverpool fan say " we need to get Toshack and Roy Evans back in or give King Kenny the job" FFS... ;-))
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Just heard a Liverpool fan say " we need to get Toshack and Roy Evans back in or give King Kenny the job" FFS... ;-))
Toshack could be worth putting a few pounds actually - never managed there before so would obviosly love the job and a big enough name in management so that the owners can at claim that they have hired a big name with a semi-straight face.
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Just heard a Liverpool fan say " we need to get Toshack and Roy Evans back in or give King Kenny the job" FFS... ;-))
Toshack could be worth putting a few pounds actually - never managed there before so would obviosly love the job and a big enough name in management so that the owners can at claim that they have hired a big name with a semi-straight face.
He'd also be one the fans would accept due to his playing days with them.
I think you're right and he's a decent bet for it!
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Hiddinck's my main worry. think he'd be most acceptable to the scouse fans.
yep. going to have to be someone reasonably cheap to get as well so i reckon that rules Hodgson out
You reckon Hiddink would be 'reasonably cheap' then?
And I wouldn't worry about Hiddink anyway. He's committed to Turkey who are paying him far more than Liverpool could afford.
yeah i know he's reportedly turned down Inter. just think he would be v.popular with the fans compared to other possible candidates
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Hiddinck's my main worry. think he'd be most acceptable to the scouse fans.
yep. going to have to be someone reasonably cheap to get as well so i reckon that rules Hodgson out
You reckon Hiddink would be 'reasonably cheap' then?
And I wouldn't worry about Hiddink anyway. He's committed to Turkey who are paying him far more than Liverpool could afford.
yeah i know he's reportedly turned down Inter. just think he would be v.popular with the fans compared to other possible candidates
But NOT cheap
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Hiddinck's my main worry. think he'd be most acceptable to the scouse fans.
yep. going to have to be someone reasonably cheap to get as well so i reckon that rules Hodgson out
You reckon Hiddink would be 'reasonably cheap' then?
And I wouldn't worry about Hiddink anyway. He's committed to Turkey who are paying him far more than Liverpool could afford.
yeah i know he's reportedly turned down Inter. just think he would be v.popular with the fans compared to other possible candidates
So would Mourinho. Doesn't mean they're going to get him.
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Just heard a Liverpool fan say " we need to get Toshack and Roy Evans back in or give King Kenny the job" FFS... ;-))
Scousers sentimentally looking for a rose-tinted return to the past...I find that hard to credit...
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Hiddinck's my main worry. think he'd be most acceptable to the scouse fans.
yep. going to have to be someone reasonably cheap to get as well so i reckon that rules Hodgson out
You reckon Hiddink would be 'reasonably cheap' then?
And I wouldn't worry about Hiddink anyway. He's committed to Turkey who are paying him far more than Liverpool could afford.
yeah i know he's reportedly turned down Inter. just think he would be v.popular with the fans compared to other possible candidates
So would Mourinho. Doesn't mean they're going to get him.
no but as he's not at a massive club side its vastly more possible no? especially as Hiddink moonlighted before from a bigger national team than turkey
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no but as he's not at a massive club side its vastly more possible no? especially as Hiddink moonlighted before from a bigger national team than turkey
Only to help the person who was paying his wages in Russia.
Two completely different situations. It's about as possible as him moonlighting as Portsmouth manager next season.
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no but as he's not at a massive club side its vastly more possible no? especially as Hiddink moonlighted before from a bigger national team than turkey
Well, I doubt Liverpool would go with a temporary manager in the way Chelsea did. Furthermore, I think that was only allowed due to Abramovich's pull with the Russian FA. Plus there was the lure of a club still competing in the Champions League. Totally different set of circumstances to Liverpool in 2010.
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well lets hope so. He's the only real a-lister knocking round to my mind who would be gettable perhaps. fingers crossed they'll move on to the b's nearer home.
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Dalglish and Ian rush it is..
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From PaddyPower:
9/4 O’Neill
10/3 Hodgson
5/1 Dalglish
7/1 Hiddink
12/1 Pellegrini
16/1 Hughes
18/1 Bilic
20/1 Van Gaal
20/1 Capello
22/1 Rijkaard
25/1 Klinsmann
33/1 Blanc
33/1 Jol
40/1 McLeish
40/1 Deschamps
50/1 Schuster
50/1 Magath
50/1 Eriksson
50/1 Lippi
50/1 Van Basten
80/1 Moyes
500/1 Barnes
750/1 Staunton
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16/1 Hughes
Forgot about Hughes.
Although I don't think their fans would be too happy with him!
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If I was Rafa, I'd hold out for every penny of the apparently £16m I was owed.
Why accept less than 25% ?
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Moyes. LOLLOL!
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If I was Rafa, I'd hold out for every penny of the apparently £16m I was owed.
Why accept less than 25% ?
I think it's because if he stays until someone like Inter make an approach, he gets sweet FA from them. He'd still get a great contract from his new employers I'm sure, but nothing in terms of severance from Liverpool.
From Liverpool's perspective, were they not to do this they run the risk of nobody coming in for him. In which case they'd either be stuck with a manager they don't want or the full £16m bill.
So Rafa would get the Inter job anyway and a nice little £3m in his back pocket.
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Meanwhile back at the dole office.
New vacancy appears on the board.
Manager wanted.
Salary - make us an offer we can't pay you much
Person Profile - must be good at selling off prized assets
- must perform miracles
- must be able to turn sows ears into silk purses
- must be prepared to take all the blame for poor
performances and financial mismanagement
- must be able to serve paella without spilling it
Success criteria - must win Premier league or the moaning scousers will continue to moan
Applicants will be made to walk accross the mersey as only those who keep their feet dry will stand a chance of surviving in the job.
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500/1 on John Barnes eh, that'd be hilarious.
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Note:
The odds are for their next PERMANENT Manager, not temporary.
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Note:
The odds are for their next PERMANENT Manager, not temporary.
I think those lines sometimes blur. For instance, Avram Grant at Chelsea was clearly a stop gap, yet was officially their new permanent manager.
I can see someone like Dalgleish getting it and being officailly the new man, but would obviously step aside if/when the club was sold.
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From PaddyPower:
9/4 O’Neill
10/3 Hodgson
5/1 Dalglish
7/1 Hiddink
12/1 Pellegrini
16/1 Hughes
18/1 Bilic
20/1 Van Gaal
20/1 Capello
22/1 Rijkaard
25/1 Klinsmann
33/1 Blanc
33/1 Jol
40/1 McLeish
40/1 Deschamps
50/1 Schuster
50/1 Magath
50/1 Eriksson
50/1 Lippi
50/1 Van Basten
80/1 Moyes
500/1 Barnes
750/1 Staunton
Isn't O'Leary still available?
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Isn't O'Leary still available?
Unconfirmed reports claim he's holding out for the Inter job.
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O'Neill cut to 6/4
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O'Neill cut to 6/4
Probably due to a few H&V regulars piling onto him!
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Can't see o neill going there unless new owners are in hotseat.
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500/1 on John Barnes eh, that'd be hilarious.
This would be fantastic.
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From PaddyPower:
9/4 O’Neill
10/3 Hodgson
5/1 Dalglish
7/1 Hiddink
12/1 Pellegrini
16/1 Hughes
18/1 Bilic
20/1 Van Gaal
20/1 Capello
22/1 Rijkaard
25/1 Klinsmann
33/1 Blanc
33/1 Jol
40/1 McLeish
40/1 Deschamps
50/1 Schuster
50/1 Magath
50/1 Eriksson
50/1 Lippi
50/1 Van Basten
80/1 Moyes
500/1 Barnes
750/1 Staunton
I can only hope he gets it...
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Would he have them all rapping and eating chocolate bars?
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They aren't seriously making MON the 'front-runner'? I know they never listen to a word he says in the prints, but you'd think the bookies would be a little cannier. Evidently not.
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They aren't seriously making MON the 'front-runner'? I know they never listen to a word he says in the prints, but you'd think the bookies would be a little cannier. Evidently not.
I'm not really up on all this bookmaking malarky, but by making a name that was previously linked, but they don't think will go there favourite, won't that encourage betting on him? Given he's now staying at Villa, maybe the theory is that the majority of people won't know of this as 'Villa manager stays' is hardly the most interesting story in the rags, so those ignorant of it will pile onto O'Neill and effectively be givng the bookies money?
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Aha. They're cannier than I gave them credit. Good work Paddy Power, although putting Capello in there is a little cheeky.
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From PaddyPower:
9/4 O’Neill
10/3 Hodgson
5/1 Dalglish
7/1 Hiddink
12/1 Pellegrini
16/1 Hughes
18/1 Bilic
20/1 Van Gaal
20/1 Capello
22/1 Rijkaard
25/1 Klinsmann
33/1 Blanc
33/1 Jol
40/1 McLeish
40/1 Deschamps
50/1 Schuster
50/1 Magath
50/1 Eriksson
50/1 Lippi
50/1 Van Basten
80/1 Moyes
500/1 Barnes
750/1 Staunton
Staunton is just what they need to continue the good work there.
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Why hasnt Kevin Keegan been mentioned
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Why hasnt Kevin Keegan been mentioned
The M e s s i a h is waiting for the Bar-codes to fuck themselves again.
UTV
The Doc
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O'neil has been the favourite to be the next manager at Anfield for months,
he's not just been put in there, he's been there ages
reminds me of last season, when the bookies had us hot favourites
[2/1 i think] to sign Dunne from City for months, we all laughed it of, and none of us went rushing of down to Mr Hills, and look what happened !
sometimes they just know
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Come on, John. It isn't going to happen.
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Come on, John. It isn't going to happen.
maybe not, but the sport media say its going to be Dalgliesh, they are already talking to ex players about King Kenny and what he will do.
so why are the bookies still ofering 5/1 on Dalgleish, and 6/4 on MON ?
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Come on, John. It isn't going to happen.
maybe not, but the sport media say its going to be Dalgliesh, they are already talking to ex players about King Kenny and what he will do.
so why are the bookies still ofering 5/1 on Dalgleish, and 6/4 on MON ?
Could be many reasons, one of which John M detailed on page 5. One thing's for sure: MON is not about to jump ship after all those weeks of clarifying his future (rather exasperatedly by the end).
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Come on, John. It isn't going to happen.
maybe not, but the sport media say its going to be Dalgliesh, they are already talking to ex players about King Kenny and what he will do.
so why are the bookies still ofering 5/1 on Dalgleish, and 6/4 on MON ?
Could be many reasons, one of which John M detailed on page 5. One thing's for sure: MON is not about to jump ship after all those weeks of clarifying his future (rather exasperatedly by the end).
so forget MON, why arnt we all filling our boots at 5/1 with Kenny ?
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I'd like to suggest McCleish would be a fine candidate for the Liverpool job.
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He's gone! Breaking on SSN
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i have said all along that i dont think MON will start the season at Villa, even after whats been said.
i wouldnt at all be supprised if he goes to Anfield
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Indeed...
by mutual consent
http://www.skysports.com/
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I'd like to suggest McCleish would be a fine candidate for the Liverpool job.
I second that emotion.
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I'd like to suggest McCleish would be a fine candidate for the Liverpool job.
I second that emotion.
I don't. I think he's a good manager (spits to clear mouth out). I'd prefer them to get someone of the calibre of, say, DO'L.
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Hmmmm. Do we think Liverpool have lined someone up, or will their search drag on forever?
Media frenzy (although I admit it is quite big news).
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I'd like to suggest McCleish would be a fine candidate for the Liverpool job.
I second that emotion.
I don't. I think he's a good manager (spits to clear mouth out). I'd prefer them to get someone of the calibre of, say, DO'L.
It's exactly because he's a good manager. I'd like him to leave Birmingham and for them to get a crap manager in, like O'Dreary. Now that would be fun to watch.
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Drren Gough fook off.. MON has not managed a major club he says..Fook off you cnunut
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I've got a feeling we're in for some fun and games now folks...it's never a dull summer at B6 is it?
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Darren Gough plays cricket I find his opinions on football as valid as Alan Shearer's ones on cricket.
They really are linked with some hopeless cases who haven't been in club management in donkeys years. I might put my name in but I don't think I could do as excellent job of messing them up as Rafa has.
Truthfully, I might be inclined to bet on Pellegrini.
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Its all gone MON mad on Talk shite..
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Darren gough is acting a prick right now, he really doesn't know what he is on about,
'they are Aston villa' in a derogatory way, the cheeky c##t, we are one of the greatest teams in England u spurs loving chump!
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Give it to Barnesy with a boot room of Staunton, Jason McAteer, Jamie Redknapp and Phil Babb. They can all wear cream Armani suits in the dugout while losing 2-0 away to Blackpool on a wet and windy Tuesday night in November as the sound of tarpaulin flapping in the gale rings out from the closed amusement parks.
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Staunton managed to miss the cream suits by playing for us at the time!
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Darren gough is acting a prick right now, he really doesn't know what he is on about,
'they are Aston villa' in a derogatory way, the cheeky c##t, we are one of the greatest teams in England u spurs loving chump!
If you don't like it don't listen to it.
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I've got a feeling we're in for some fun and games now folks...it's never a dull summer at B6 is it?
I think you could be right Des !!
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I predict a long and drawn out media frenzy about MON getting it before they appoint Kenny!
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OK, Complete speculation here (and nicked from a bloke at work)...
Roy Hodgson is approached by Liverpool and states "No, I'm waiting for the England job".
Capello signs a new contract at the FA, and Hodgson realising it's not going to happen for him at national level, alerts Liverpool to his availability.
The next day Rafa is sacked.
Fill in the rest...
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Let’s hope it happens. And he can take Emile with him.
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OK, Complete speculation here (and nicked from a bloke at work)...
Roy Hodgson is approached by Liverpool and states "No, I'm waiting for the England job".
Capello signs a new contract at the FA, and Hodgson realising it's not going to happen for him at national level, alerts Liverpool to his availability.
The next day Rafa is sacked.
Fill in the rest...
I think you're on to something there.
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Let’s hope it happens. And he can take Emile with him.
and Downing ;-))
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OK, Complete speculation here (and nicked from a bloke at work)...
Roy Hodgson is approached by Liverpool and states "No, I'm waiting for the England job".
Capello signs a new contract at the FA, and Hodgson realising it's not going to happen for him at national level, alerts Liverpool to his availability.
The next day Rafa is sacked.
Fill in the rest...
I think you're on to something there.
Although it does make sense, the fact that Rafa was going to get the chop anyway may not tie in with the timing re: Hodgson/England. I hardly think they would've waited around for him??
We'll know if Roy DOES get the job, I suppose!
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Jimmy Corkhill must be avaliable...
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OK, Complete speculation here (and nicked from a bloke at work)...
Roy Hodgson is approached by Liverpool and states "No, I'm waiting for the England job".
Capello signs a new contract at the FA, and Hodgson realising it's not going to happen for him at national level, alerts Liverpool to his availability.
The next day Rafa is sacked.
Fill in the rest...
I think you're on to something there.
hmmmm that sounds quite plausible.
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I think O'Neill will be higher up their list than Hodgson. I'm hoping so, anyway
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I think there are others higher up than Hodgson. That said he is extremely highly rated all through Europe and Manager of the year to boot.
If the recent speculation is rife I'd think they would go for a temporary fix, short term like, because of the poor finances, the club being up for sale, and the seemingly limited funds unless stars like Torres and Gerrard are sold off. I know they are a top club etc, but its not the best set of circumstances for a manager to step into, especially one with a stable job already or one wishing to enhance his reputation.
Good news for Rafa though, I'd surmise.
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I think O'Neill will be higher up their list than Hodgson. I'm hoping so, anyway
yeah Id prefer Hodgson at Villa.. better manager
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Dalglish new favourite
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As things stand, the Villa job would be far more attractive to potential managers than the hell hole that is Anfield.
Liverpool should have moved a bit quicker and got Grant in until they have new owners. He would have been ideal for a short term fix.
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MON isn't going to go to Liverpool despite people like Darren fucking Gough saying he should because...errrr... it's errrr Liverpool like.....
And to the folks joking about MON taking Heskey / Downing (who I think will come good next season) etc, I would say it would be much more likely that it wouldn't be the dross that would leave with MON, it would our better payers.
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Based on one season?
You sometimes get what you deserve, i just hope that MON does'nt read some of the shite on here.
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Staunton managed to miss the cream suits by playing for us at the time!
I know but adding him and Barnesy to most of The Spice Boys line-up (Collymore has a bit more sense now) would make for an excellent management team.
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I think O'Neill will be higher up their list than Hodgson. I'm hoping so, anyway
Yes, then we'd have an anxious summer to find not only a new manager, but possibly a replacement for Milner. Well thought out.
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I think O'Neill will be higher up their list than Hodgson. I'm hoping so, anyway
Yes, then we'd have an anxious summer to find not only a new manager, but possibly a replacement for Milner. Well thought out.
or on the other hand, appoint a manager like Hodgson ASAP, and have 30 mill to spend on putting a footballing midfield together
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or on the other hand, appoint a manager like Hodgson ASAP, and have 30 mill to spend on putting a footballing midfield together
I like Hodgson, but I don't see him taking us past where we are now, especially as he'd possibly have to start from a position of losing our better players.
It's natural to see other options as being better if you're frustrated. Personally I'm fairly happy but for that to continue we have to make progress every year.
As for Liverpool, I've got a feeling they'll end up with Hiddink.
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Dalglish the favourite, followed by O'Neill.
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I love the way bastion of footballing knowledge Jason Cundy announces how Guus Hiddink would love to take over at Liverpool after he has worked with Turkey at the WC, when Turkey aren't at the WC and Hiddink's contract doesn't start until 1st August! Clown!
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Based on one season?
You sometimes get what you deserve, i just hope that MON does'nt read some of the shite on here.
I'm sure he has nothing better to do with his time.
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I think O'Neill will be higher up their list than Hodgson. I'm hoping so, anyway
Yes, then we'd have an anxious summer to find not only a new manager, but possibly a replacement for Milner. Well thought out.
or on the other hand, appoint a manager like Hodgson ASAP, and have 30 mill to spend on putting a footballing midfield together
I'm quite tempted to agree with you here, be great to see some fresh ideas!!
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Dalglish the favourite, followed by O'Neill.
all depends where you go -
Skybet - MON 6/4 DAL- 5/2
W Hills - MON - 9/4 DAL - 3/1
Ladbrokes - MON 9/4 DAL 9/4
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Dalglish the favourite, followed by O'Neill.
I don't see it, Dalglish is one of the two people at Liverpool with the task of finding a new manager. Surely they'd have asked him first if he wanted the job?
Dalglish: "After a long worldwide search, we've found the right man. Me".
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Not sure what's what, Mark. Sky reporting O'Neill was the favourite but there's been a massive rush for bets being put on Dalglish.*
*I don't understand gambling termanology.
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Dalglish the favourite, followed by O'Neill.
I don't see it, Dalglish is one of the two people at Liverpool with the task of finding a new manager. Surely they'd have asked him first if he wanted the job?
Dalglish: "After a long worldwide search, we've found the right man. Me".
only paddy power has Dalgliesh favourite at 9/4 with MON at 5/2,
so not a lot in it so far
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Dalgleish being in the betting could be the bookies covering themselves in case he's made Manager on a temporary basis until the end of the World Cup.
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1st text joke -
Raffa Benittez said he feels great to be a true scouser now he has no job,
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I'm bored with this already. MON will not be the next Liverpool manager: they'll want it to be someone with proven CL/international pedigree and/or a Liverpool connection.
Dalglish as an interim manager is a possibility; the long term successor I reckon will be a younger foreign manager - someone like Frank Rijkaard or Jurgen Klinsman.
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Dalglish the favourite, followed by O'Neill.
I don't see it, Dalglish is one of the two people at Liverpool with the task of finding a new manager. Surely they'd have asked him first if he wanted the job?
Dalglish: "After a long worldwide search, we've found the right man. Me".
That doesn't sound unlike HDE's extensive search for a Director of Football/ General Manager back in 1998.
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Dalgleish being in the betting could be the bookies covering themselves in case he's made Manager on a temporary basis until the end of the World Cup.
They usually state that betting is for, 'Next Permanent Manager'. There will be lots of money going on Dalglish because he returned to work for the club this year, he may well become a caretaker manager until a takeover goes through, but I doubt he will be permanent.
The bookies cover their backs with low odds at the same time as coining in a bit of cash from people who don't realise it's permanent or bet with their hearts.
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Dalglish the favourite, followed by O'Neill.
I don't see it, Dalglish is one of the two people at Liverpool with the task of finding a new manager. Surely they'd have asked him first if he wanted the job?
Dalglish: "After a long worldwide search, we've found the right man. Me".
I seem to remember Nial Quinn doing that at Sunderland.
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Bloody hell, I wanted him to continue in that role.
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Roy Keane perhaps?
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Darren Gough plays cricket I find his opinions on football as valid as Alan Shearer's ones on cricket.
They really are linked with some hopeless cases who haven't been in club management in donkeys years. I might put my name in but I don't think I could do as excellent job of messing them up as Rafa has.
Truthfully, I might be inclined to bet on Pellegrini.
You have to factor in that he is a good deal less intelligent than Shearer as well. Thick doesn't quite do it justice which is why he is on prime time Talk Sport so his provocative twattish comments can net the largest quota of fellow thickies to text and ring in...
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Let mon go to Liverpool and we can get klinsmann or rijkaerd-tin hat going on now!
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I think O'Neill will be higher up their list than Hodgson. I'm hoping so, anyway
amen brother
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I can't see MON going to Liverpool at this moment in time...to many behind the scenes politics going on and everything up in the air with regards ownership and transfer funds...
I think he'll stay with the Villa and give it another crack next season...heres hoping so anyway
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I'm afraid you won't last long on here with views like that Chooch.You have to be a miserable b, and hope that we constantly fail, so that we can justify our negative opinions.
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Obviously don't know what was said in the meeting between Randy and MON but from what both have said since (and indeed before in MON's case) the general feeling has been, one more year at least. For that reason I don't think MON will walk.
While it pains to me say it I think Liverpool is definitely viewed as a bigger job but it's not a particularly attractive one at the moment, 2 warring clowns in charge alongside the usual ridiculous level of expectation and media hype. Not to mention the ex-player mafia on every radio and tv station. I'm sorry to see Benitez go actually, was hoping he'd steer them to lower mid-table obscurity while all their arrogant tosser fans went apopletic with rage while invoking the ghost of "Shanks" at every opportunity.
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I'm sorry to see Benitez go actually, was hoping he'd steer them to lower mid-table obscurity while all their arrogant tosser fans went apopletic with rage while invoking the ghost of "Shanks" at every opportunity.
Quality.
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Let mon go to Liverpool and we can get klinsmann or rijkaerd-tin hat going on now!
Why put on the tin hat? It's the party line on here nowadays isn't it?
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I'm afraid you won't last long on here with views like that Chooch.You have to be a miserable b, and hope that we constantly fail, so that we can justify our negative opinions.
Either that or you actually enjoy the style of football we play?!?!?
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I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.
No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.
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I'm afraid you won't last long on here with views like that Chooch.You have to be a miserable b, and hope that we constantly fail, so that we can justify our negative opinions.
Either that or you actually enjoy the style of football we play?!?!?
Or appreciate the job's he's done so far maybe?
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Most 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans dont want MON.. They say hes had loads of money to spend and still Villa play dire football.
Similar to Benitez then..
Still think Dalglish will be manager with maybe Christian Purslow his right hand masterbater
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Anybody got the odds on who's going to win the H&V Drama Queen crown, BLF and Percy would appear to be running neck and neck.
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I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.
No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.
Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.
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i'm buoyed by the news dalglish is so involved as he was supposed to be the main driving force behind getting MON according to my source. plus the fact that they made an offer to FSW to leave suggests to me they have the guy lined up. after all they were sounding out other managers 6months ago. downside is the fans don't want him, and if the players had a part in getting FSW sacked then they're highly unlikely to jump from the frying pan into the fire. also my info is a good month or so out of date now. i'd say on balance its still a goer.
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I'm afraid you won't last long on here with views like that Chooch.You have to be a miserable b, and hope that we constantly fail, so that we can justify our negative opinions.
Either that or you actually enjoy the style of football we play?!?!?
Or appreciate the job's he's done so far maybe?
Football is supposed to be entertainment is it not? Each to there own, if he went to Liverpool it wouldn't bother me. We could end up with worse, we could however end up with better!
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I'd quite like to get that O'Leary fellow back. That'd be fun.
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Not the 1st time i've been called a queen Mark K, but personally i don't think MON is as bad as you seem to think., and i don't think the football is as bad as you think earlier, after all are'nt you the one who thought Citeeeh played Ure off the park?............no need to say anymore.
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I'm afraid you won't last long on here with views like that Chooch.You have to be a miserable b, and hope that we constantly fail, so that we can justify our negative opinions.
Either that or you actually enjoy the style of football we play?!?!?
Or appreciate the job's he's done so far maybe?
Football is supposed to be entertainment is it not?
Of course. Arsenal have been providing it for the last 6 years, and it's not won them very much.
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and we've won what being dull?
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and we've won what being dull?
I don't think we're dull, so we'll agree to disagree.
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I'm afraid you won't last long on here with views like that Chooch.You have to be a miserable b, and hope that we constantly fail, so that we can justify our negative opinions.
Either that or you actually enjoy the style of football we play?!?!?
Or appreciate the job's he's done so far maybe?
Football is supposed to be entertainment is it not?
Of course. Arsenal have been providing it for the last 6 years, and it's not won them very much.
Hmmm tough choice, play Arsenals way or play the MON way. Yeah you got me.......
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We are not dull...........unlike your constant repetative, childish comments.
Change the record for christs sake.
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and we've won what being dull?
I don't think we're dull, so we'll agree to disagree.
well its a spurious point then. why bring arsenal into it if you think we're so entertaining?
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We are not entertaining at all.
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and we've won what being dull?
I don't think we're dull, so we'll agree to disagree.
well its a spurious point then. why bring arsenal into it if you think we're so entertaining?
I did'nt say we were entertaining, i said we was'nt dull.
I'll finish this before it strays off topic.
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and we've won what being dull?
I don't think we're dull, so we'll agree to disagree.
well its a spurious point then. why bring arsenal into it if you think we're so entertaining?
I did'nt say we were entertaining, i said we was'nt dull.
I'll finish this before it strays off topic.
right so not entertaining but not dull either. sort of vaguely watchable then?
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We are not entertaining at all.
I appreciate that we aren't the most inspiring side at times, but I wouldn't say we are dull not entertaining. The way we break with pace and power at times is great.
Yes it is limited, particularly against teams who sit back, but I honestly can't believe what some people are saying on here.
You wan't boring? Cast your mind back to Gregory's reign. This team scores more goals than I can remember a Villa team scoring as many goals as we do for a very long time.
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Dalglish the favourite, followed by O'Neill.
all depends where you go -
Skybet - MON 6/4 DAL- 5/2
W Hills - MON - 9/4 DAL - 3/1
Ladbrokes - MON 9/4 DAL 9/4
Seeing the letters DAL makes me wonder what odds for DOL?!
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Anyway........back on topic.
It'll be interesting to see if the lure of Anfield tempts MON, if he's offered it. We all know he likes a challenge. Despite the state they're in financially and in the boardroom, you'd think it would put him off, but it's still a massive job.
I for one hope they offer it someone else.
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If he does go there, it shows he is madder than I think he is. And that's pretty mad.
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he'll move if its right for him agreed. who knows how far down the line the sale is. could be another case of working for their "Dougs" for few months before the new guy comes in
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Dull? Entertaining? My head is spinning. Thanks for getting this back on-topic.
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I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.
No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.
Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.
One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.
Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.
/percy_bait
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To be fair there can't have been many people in the game who thought Benitez would be there come next season. If Mon really wanted the job surely he wouldn't have commited himself to the Villa??
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Not the 1st time i've been called a queen Mark K, but personally i don't think MON is as bad as you seem to think., and i don't think the football is as bad as you think earlier, after all are'nt you the one who thought Citeeeh played Man Utd off the park?............no need to say anymore.
There you go again. I think MON has done a very good job stabilising the club, obviously in part thanks to the investment from the board, but it's still an achievement. You only have to look to Anfield to see how a large budget can be wrecklessly wasted.
I'm not a big fan of the football, I think we've a lot better than we pretend to be but MON understands we're in a results business and points on the board are far more important than playing a more adventurous game whereby those points may be put at risk. To his credit, he's openly admitted several times over the last 9 months that he wants us to play better football, so on that score I'm not alone.
After four seasons it's pretty easy to judge a manager in terms of his strengths and weaknesses. The one thing that does confuse me is he claims to be very ambitious but until now has done very little to work on some of those weaknesses. Whilst you and Percy, to name but a few, seem to think he can do no wrong and it's outright treason to question him, I believe differently. That's not to say I don't whole heartedly support the team when on the rare occasion I get to see them. I do. I just don't believe Martin can take us to the next level. Not unless he changes, the coaching being the main issue.
I have no problems with his recent signings, in fact I think last summer was money very well spent. If he can do the same again this summer, I'll be more than happy. We still won't play to our potential but it will be the perfect time to hand over to somebody else, somebody that has a bit of flair and has a greater understanding of the modern game.
As for the Man Citeh game, what I admired about their play was the fact they were willing to have a go at Man Utd. It took courage to risk losing a point, especially when they were looking to break into the top 4. I never said they played them off the park, that's just your hormones kicking in. But as you said yourself, it's not the first time you've been called a queen.
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I was having a look at Red & White Kop earlier and it seemed to me that the supporters, to a man, were gutted. They lay the blame squarely at the door of the two American owners.
To be fair they do have a point. Benitez was appointed in summer 2004 and won the European Cup the following year, and the FA Cup the season after that. He also got them to another European Cup Final in 2007 three months after Hicks and Gilette had taken over that February.
Since then they've won nothing and I don't think they've got to any finals either.
Benitez isn't blameless of course. He has made some very poor transfer decisions, both in and out, recently but it has to be said that over the last three seasons that club has been in turmoil. Prior to the takeover things went much better for him. And even in the midst of all that he got them runners up in the League in 2008/9.
He won't be out of a job for long; he's got a very good CV. Liverpool, on the other hand, are going to be a mess at least until the current owners move on. It would be a brave manager who takes the job on as things stand. But, at the same time, the club needs to make a big statement with the next appointment to keep the fans onside.
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Could you imagine this place if he did leave? all those people who've spent the last 4 years on here defending his every move would be faced with the ultimate betrayal. all those hours on here talking about trusting him and how he'd lead us to the promised land rewarded by the manager metaphorically dropping his trousers and mooning them. who was the last manager to walk out on us for another club side?
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You do realise they'd blame you, Greg?
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heh, yeah
"he left because of the criticism"
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If he did I'm certain we'll see a thread entitled "Well you've all got what you wanted now" as if Martin is sat in a room in his house reading what we are saying about him with a tear in his eye.
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I live in Dallas, Hicks is in Dire financial need. He is trying to sell the Rangers out here and cant. The banks are calling him in. MON will not like that and will decide that Liverpool is not the right move. Not right now. Given the owners financial situation.
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If he did leave, I'm sure this board would be near silent as posters rush to tie themselves to the wardrobe door in a mass asphyxi-wank.
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Could you imagine this place if he did leave? all those people who've spent the last 4 years on here defending his every move would be faced with the ultimate betrayal. all those hours on here talking about trusting him and how he'd lead us to the promised land rewarded by the manager metaphorically dropping his trousers and mooning them. who was the last manager to walk out on us for another club side?
Nobody ever has, which must be pretty much unique.
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i'm buoyed by the news dalglish is so involved as he was supposed to be the main driving force behind getting MON according to my source. plus the fact that they made an offer to FSW to leave suggests to me they have the guy lined up. after all they were sounding out other managers 6months ago. downside is the fans don't want him, and if the players had a part in getting FSW sacked then they're highly unlikely to jump from the frying pan into the fire. also my info is a good month or so out of date now. i'd say on balance its still a goer.
Coming from the the bloke that told us last year signing Downing meant that Ashley Young was going to be sold, I'd gladly take that as 100% confirmed proof that our manager is NOT going to Liverpool!
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have to admit i couldn't think of one, but i assumed there must have been. must be pretty rare.
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Could you imagine this place if he did leave? all those people who've spent the last 4 years on here defending his every move would be faced with the ultimate betrayal. all those hours on here talking about trusting him and how he'd lead us to the promised land rewarded by the manager metaphorically dropping his trousers and mooning them. who was the last manager to walk out on us for another club side?
Nobody ever has, which must be pretty much unique.
Ron Saunders?
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Could you imagine this place if he did leave? all those people who've spent the last 4 years on here defending his every move would be faced with the ultimate betrayal. all those hours on here talking about trusting him and how he'd lead us to the promised land rewarded by the manager metaphorically dropping his trousers and mooning them. who was the last manager to walk out on us for another club side?
Nobody ever has, which must be pretty much unique.
Ron Saunders?
They still had a manager when he left us.
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I'm not suggesting that he had a job lined up when he resigned, but did'nt Gregory take over at Derby very soon after leaving us?
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I'm not suggesting that he had a job lined up when he resigned, but did'nt Gregory take over at Derby very soon after leaving us?
He did indeed, but we've still never had a manager who left us to join another club.
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I can't think of anyone to be honest. Sir Graham left us for the England job, but he'd earned it.
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If he did I'm certain we'll see a thread entitled "Well you've all got what you wanted now" as if Martin is sat in a room in his house reading what we are saying about him with a tear in his eye.
I'd say that'll be pretty much nailed on.
'So called Villa fans,' and all the rest of it.
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Don't worry - those that want MON out would find something wrong with the new manager quick enough and the cycle would begin again.
"We play too openly and need to be able to turn the flowing football into a more defensive style when needed."
"All these foreign flair players are great, but we need to add a solid British spine to the side."
"He makes too many changes and disrupts the side - another tinker man!"
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Don't worry - those that want MON out would find something wrong with the new manager quick enough and the cycle would begin again.
"We play too openly and need to be able to turn the flowing football into a more defensive style when needed."
"All these foreign flair players are great, but we need to add a solid British spine to the side."
"He makes too many changes and disrupts the side - another tinker man!"
Or maybe the people who do want MON out just think differently to you?
This suggestion that they're just moaning for the sake of it absolutely boils my piss.
You might disagree with people - I know I do, with plenty - but at least do them the courtesy of accepting they believe what they're saying, John.
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Don't worry - those that want MON out would find something wrong with the new manager quick enough and the cycle would begin again.
"We play too openly and need to be able to turn the flowing football into a more defensive style when needed."
"All these foreign flair players are great, but we need to add a solid British spine to the side."
"He makes too many changes and disrupts the side - another tinker man!"
Or maybe the people who do want MON out just think differently to you?
This suggestion that they're just moaning for the sake of it absolutely boils my piss.
You might disagree with people - I know I do, with plenty - but at least do them the courtesy of accepting they believe what they're saying, John.
You misunderstand me, Paulie.
I'm sure that, for the most part, the criticism aimed at our manager is heartfelt and sincere. I actually share a lot of the views on what he should do differently. However, I do feel that in doing so we can lose sight of what he's doing well and automatically assume that should be adopt our ideas, the side would instantly be better. I just don't think it works that way.
And it's that mindset that I am referring to. Those that will always think they have spotted some flaws and are convinced by changing what they want everything will be a lot better. And that fact that he doesn't do what we want makes him an idiot, limited and the one holding the club back.
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Fair enough, John, but why not just say that then, ie that people ignore the good things he's done rather than what looked like "they'll just find something else to moan about"?
I don't think he's an idiot. I think he's a good manager. I don't think he's good enough to do much more than he already has with us, but that's just my stance.
Some people will want him out now, and that's their opinion, they're welcome to it. That's what it is all about, opinions.
I don't agree with, for example - picking the last overtly 'get shot' poster on this thread - east19 on MON, but I at least believe he really does feel that way and that he's not going to just moan about something else if we do lose MON.
I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided. I do, however, think they really believe what they're saying.
It takes all sorts.
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To be fair there can't have been many people in the game who thought Benitez would be there come next season. If Mon really wanted the job surely he wouldn't have commited himself to the Villa??
Martin hasn't commited himself to villa, he has just carried on his 12 month rolling contract. Making it very easy for him to move on.
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Fair enough, John, but why not just say that then, ie that people ignore the good things he's done rather than what looked like "they'll just find something else to moan about"?
I don't think he's an idiot. I think he's a good manager. I don't think he's good enough to do much more than he already has with us, but that's just my stance.
Some people will want him out now, and that's their opinion, they're welcome to it. That's what it is all about, opinions.
I don't agree with, for example - picking the last overtly 'get shot' poster on this thread - east19 on MON, but I at least believe he really does feel that way and that he's not going to just moan about something else if we do lose MON.
I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided. I do, however, think they really believe what they're saying.
It takes all sorts.
I get where you're coming from, and maybe I did bite a little at some of the more OTT posts on this topic.
But I stand by the point that some will focus on the negative without a more reasoned overview. And will pick up on some flaw as the reason for a percieved lack of progress, whether it be a genuine problem or not.
I just think that if he did go we'd be here in three years time with the same people arguing for and against the new manager, just with different points being tossed back and forth. It's a mindset issue.
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I just think that if he did go we'd be here in three years time with the same people arguing for and against the new manager, just with different points being tossed back and forth. It's a mindset issue.
I think that on whichever forum, for whichever club, you'll find people arguing for and against the manager, it's inevitable.
If it is a mindset issue, it is an issue for football fans full stop, not just for us lot.
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I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.
No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.
Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.
One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.
Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.
/percy_bait
Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that they wouldn't all qualify soon, and that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need, and you thought I was a nutter.
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To be fair there can't have been many people in the game who thought Benitez would be there come next season. If Mon really wanted the job surely he wouldn't have commited himself to the Villa??
Martin hasn't commited himself to villa, he has just carried on his 12 month rolling contract. Making it very easy for him to move on.
it's Martin's style and does not reflect on his commitment to us specifically
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I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.
No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.
Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.
One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.
Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.
/percy_bait
Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need.
*stops stopwatch*
You almost managed five consecutive posts without referring to that.
Incidentally, i think you'll also find I've always said "breaking the Sky four" doesn't mean qualifying once, or we'd have annointed Moyes not too long ago. It means getting into it and staying in it.
I'm sure you'd agree with that, unless you've accepted Spurs as one of the big four.
Incidentally, I think we've been over this in the last week or so, but once again, I didn't think you were a "nutter", I disagreed with you.
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I'm sure you'd agree with that, unless you've accepted Spurs as one of the big four.
But there are two ways of looking at it - from Spurs point of view they've not 'broken the big four'. But from Liverpool's point of view the big four has definitely been broken for them.
Whether Spurs or (more likely) Man City are the long-term beneficiaries, the big four of 2/3 years is looking very unlikely to be the big four of 2013.
Which I think might have been Percy's original point.
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I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.
Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.
So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do. Unbelievable!
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I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.
No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.
Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.
One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.
Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.
/percy_bait
Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need.
*stops stopwatch*
You almost managed five consecutive posts without referring to that.
If you didn't keep saying that Liverpool will soon be bought out, I wouldn't have to keep referring to the fact that it hasn't happened.
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I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.
Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.
So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do. Unbelievable!
No.
I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).
As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".
The two things go hand in hand.
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Inevitable that FSW would be shown the door albeit with a golden handshake -
Redscouse are in a right mess - supporters want owners out - and supposedly their best players want out as well (or was it a ploy to push the manager?)
Can't say I'll lose much sleep worrying about their plight but there is bound to be speculation that they might come knocking on MON's door - could be interesting few weeks ahead
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I don't think he'll go to Liverpool.
No decent manager with a reputation to protect is going to go there with the current uncertainty.
Agreed. There's not even any signs of a Randy Lerner type on the horizon. Long my it continue.
One will turn up for them sooner or later, though. Liverpool are too big for that not to happen.
Hicks and Gilette will drop their price and make concessions - because they're going to have to - and the club will be sold.
/percy_bait
Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need.
*stops stopwatch*
You almost managed five consecutive posts without referring to that.
If you didn't keep saying that Liverpool will soon be bought out, I wouldn't have to keep referring to the fact that it hasn't happened.
I didn't say they'd soon be bought out, i said that if they found themselves really in meltdown, there would be plenty of very rich people willing to step in.
Which I stand by. You're right, it hasn't happened yet. But then again, they're not in meltdown yet, either.
Similarly, nobody has bought debt ridden Man United yet, but there appear to be people willing to do so.
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If I was Oneil I'd go there just for the simple fact of working with genuine world class players.
Let's get it into perspective guys they are a top team with top players, it's just that clown in charge fucked up.
Abit of continuity and emotion from a good manager like oneil they will be right up there.
Their spine is absolute world class,
Reina
Carragher
Masherano
Gerrard
Torres
If Rafa had Half a brain cell in the transfer Market, they could have Warnock, Dunne, Young, Milner, Crouch also in the side.
.....................Reina
Johnson. Dunne. Carragher. Warnock
Milner. Gerrard. Mashcerno. Young
............Crouch. Torres
You telling me that wouldn't be a top side, still in the CL
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I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.
Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.
So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do. Unbelievable!
No.
I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).
As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".
The two things go hand in hand.
I do not agree with what some people say but I would not say they are misguided, it is their opinion.
If somebody makes a comment that is clearly incorrect or their arguement is unsound, then I would correct them or give a counter arguement. I would not generalise as that would make me arrogant and 'only my opinion counts'. Perhaps that is one of the failings of the world today.
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If I was Oneil I'd go there just for the simple fact of working with genuine world class players.
Let's get it into perspective guys they are a top team with top players, it's just that clown in charge fucked up.
Abit of continuity and emotion from a good manager like oneil they will be right up there.
Their spine is absolute world class,
Reina
Carragher
Masherano
Gerrard
Torres
If Rafa had Half a brain cell in the transfer Market, they could have Warnock, Dunne, Young, Milner, Crouch also in the side.
.....................Reina
Johnson. Dunne. Carragher. Warnock
Milner. Gerrard. Mashcerno. Young
............Crouch. Torres
You telling me that wouldn't be a top side, still in the CL
Not too sure about that, Gibbo. Carragher is far from world class. Not too sure about Mascherano, either. Very good, yes, but world class? Hmm.
Gerrard and Torres certainly are, but are they going to be there next year?
Liverpool's issue is that if you look at the peaks of their squad, they're very good (Torres, Gerrard, Reina) but if you look beyond the peaks, they have a pretty mediocre squad.
Ngog, Babbel, El Zhar, Lucas and so on.
Liverpool seem to have got themselves a pedigree in signing some really shit players over the last 15 years or so now. Souness and Houllier were the worst, but the others in that period have made some really poor signings.
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I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.
Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.
So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do. Unbelievable!
No.
I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).
As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".
The two things go hand in hand.
I do not agree with what some people say but I would not say they are misguided, it is their opinion.
If somebody makes a comment that is clearly incorrect or their arguement is unsound, then I would correct them or give a counter arguement. I would not generalise as that would make me arrogant and 'only my opinion counts'. Perhaps that is one of the failings of the world today.
Do you think people you disagree with are wrong? Your reference to correcting them suggests you do. I think they're wrong. That's why I disagree with them.
I think they're well meaning and genuine (as I said in the original post) in their opinions, but I think they're misguided.
You've also ignored the bit where I pointed out i wasn't referring to everyone who thinks MON has done a decent job, but hey ho.
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If I was Oneil I'd go there just for the simple fact of working with genuine world class players.
Let's get it into perspective guys they are a top team with top players, it's just that clown in charge fucked up.
Abit of continuity and emotion from a good manager like oneil they will be right up there.
Their spine is absolute world class,
Reina
Carragher
Masherano
Gerrard
Torres
Any manager would want to work with the likes of Torres and Gerrard.
However, most managers in the Premier League have better players to work with than Carragher and Mascherano. O'Neill already has better defenders and midfielders to work with.
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I've never seen someone who divides opinion as greatly as Mascherano.
Some say he's world class and better than Makelele, some say he's tosh an not a top half player.
No doubt Reina, Gerrard and Torres are world class players though. Carragher's certainly not anymore (if he ever was). I reckon Mascherano is somewhere in the middle.
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I think Mascherano and Torres will leave this summer regardless. Liverpool desperately need money in, they're 800m in debt and haven't got champions league income.
Gerrard's knackered imo now, 30 so best years are behind him. Carragher has declined over the last 18 months.
Reina was brilliant last season but that wasn't enough.
Liverpool will be in the wilderness for the next few seasons I reckon until they sort themselves out off the pitch.
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I also don't agree with lots of the more pro-MON posters. In fact, I think they're largely misguided.
Must be one of the most condescending comments I have ever seen on here.
So, what you are saying is that anybody that thinks MON has done a reasonable job (in the last pole it was over 75% of voters, I believe) does not know what they are talking about and only the vociferous minority do. Unbelievable!
No.
I'm saying that I disagree with the more pro MON posters (which is not the same as 'anyone who thinks MON has done a reasonable job - as that includes me).
As I disagree with them I think they're misguided - ie "wrong".
The two things go hand in hand.
I do not agree with what some people say but I would not say they are misguided, it is their opinion.
If somebody makes a comment that is clearly incorrect or their arguement is unsound, then I would correct them or give a counter arguement. I would not generalise as that would make me arrogant and 'only my opinion counts'. Perhaps that is one of the failings of the world today.
Do you think people you disagree with are wrong? Your reference to correcting them suggests you do. I think they're wrong. That's why I disagree with them.
I think they're well meaning and genuine (as I said in the original post) in their opinions, but I think they're misguided.
You've also ignored the bit where I pointed out i wasn't referring to everyone who thinks MON has done a decent job, but hey ho.
No, I do not think people are wrong if I disagree with them. If somebody makes a clear error, I will correct them. If, in my opinion, I do not agree with somebody, I will put forward my arguement and, hopefully, after a reasoned debate we come to an agreement.
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For clarity, and this is my last attempt, but this is what I'm saying...
I disagree with them.
I do however think they believe what they're saying, and they're not just saying it for effect.
For example, I'm not disagreeing with them because they're being arsey, or because I think they're doing it for the sake of it, I believe they genuinely believe what they're saying (which is what the original point was), I just believe they're misguided (ie wrong, but with honourable intentions).
I really don't see what is so condescending about that (certainly not when compared to the original post which suggested that the people who moan about MON now will just moan about the opposite if we replace him).
And the whole "most condescending thing ever" point is somewhat lost in any case, given that - as I pointed out - I wasn't actually referring to those who think MON has done a reasonable job.
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For clarity, and this is my last attempt, but this is what I'm saying...
I disagree with them.
I do however think they believe what they're saying, and they're not just saying it for effect.
For example, I'm not disagreeing with them because they're being arsey, or because I think they're doing it for the sake of it, I believe they genuinely believe what they're saying (which is what the original point was), I just believe they're misguided (ie wrong, but with honourable intentions).
I really don't see what is so condescending about that (certainly not when compared to the original post which suggested that the people who moan about MON now will just moan about the opposite if we replace him).
And the whole "most condescending thing ever" point is somewhat lost in any case, given that - as I pointed out - I wasn't actually referring to those who think MON has done a reasonable job.
To bring this to an end with my final comments.
It is unwise to generalise as you end up with two perceived sides - the pro MON and the anti MON, rather than debating each issue on it's own merit. Things are never black or white.
Our manager is not perfect by a long stretch but neither is he as bad as some posters make out in the ridicule and scorn written in their comments.
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Let's just all hope that it's the Managerial Selection Team at Liverpool is the same quality as the Public Relations Team.
To watch these pompous pricks drown in the sea of their own debt whilst the team struggles on the pitch will be wonderful. Just wonderful.
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MON still 9/4 for Liverpool but not getting much cash on it apparently.
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Quite possibly, but I remember when you thought that the 'Big Four' would automatically qualify for the Champions League for the next gazillion years, while I was predicting that they wouldn't all qualify soon, and that a takeover for a debt-free big club like Man City was more attractive to the type of backers Liverpool so desperately need, and you thought I was a nutter.
I remember you saying that we were the club that would break the top 4, we were best placed due to MON and his backroom team.
You couldn't have been more wrong.
Liverpool will be taken over soon enough, don't worry.
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MON still 9/4 for Liverpool but not getting much cash on it apparently.
Apparently Hodgson fancies the job. I have a feeling if he takes it, he'll surprise a few people, including the Scousers and still be there when they eventually get new owners.
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if o neill does not want the l;iverpool job , he needs to issue a statement saying so otherwise this speculation will carry on and on all summer, i think if offered the liverpool job he would take it!
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if o neill does not want the l;iverpool job , he needs to issue a statement saying so otherwise this speculation will carry on and on all summer, i think if offered the liverpool job he would take it!
That's not the way Martin does things. He's not going anywhere, so why worry?
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Cant Imagine Liverpool liking the idea of Robertson Walford etc and not their own back team.. And thats what MON would want.
I cant see it happening.
rumoured £5 million to spend.
The owners.
Managing these prima donas.
More pressure at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' than Villa.
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More pressure at Liverpool than Villa.
But they are a huge club despite their failings. Could MON resist having someone as big on his CV (we could argue about Celtic being huge until the cows come home)?
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Cant Imagine Liverpool liking the idea of Robertson Walford etc and not their own back team.. And thats what MON would want.
I cant see it happening.
rumoured £5 million to spend.
The owners.
Managing these prima donas.
More pressure at Liverpool than Villa.
And all that might - only might - be outweighed by the opportunity to show the world what a great manager he is.
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O’Neill doesn’t have to go to Liverpool and be great to put us at a disadvantage.
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Depends how much MON wants it if he's offered it. Last chance of a real traditional big job i'd say now his standing has dropped. neither MON or Hodgson would be in the running if they were top4
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Depends how much MON wants it if he's offered it. Last chance of a real traditional big job i'd say now his standing has dropped. neither MON or Hodgson would be in the running if they were top4
I'm sorry, but exactly how has MON's standing dropped? I think the fact he's favourite for a job like Liverpool would say that those outside of Villa percieve him to be doing a good job here!
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If MON wanted to go to Liverpool, I'd happily help him pack his bags.
He'll then sign a centre back who looked good in Scotland and play him Right Back.
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O’Neill doesn’t have to go to Liverpool and be great to put us at a disadvantage.
No, he just has to stay here.
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If MON did go to Liverpool (I don't think he will) you can be sure it wouldn't be on a rolling contract.
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liverpool is a huge job and massive support and tradition worldwide, i can see the attraction in him going there , and to be quite honest wouldnt be sorry if he did.
i do not see him taking us any further and his departure might be for the best in the long run , lets go for rijkaerd or klinsmann ourselves and in a years time we might find oursleves in a much better position!
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Depends how much MON wants it if he's offered it. Last chance of a real traditional big job i'd say now his standing has dropped. neither MON or Hodgson would be in the running if they were top4
I'm sorry, but exactly how has MON's standing dropped? I think the fact he's favourite for a job like Liverpool would say that those outside of Villa percieve him to be doing a good job here!
he's strictly in the b-list catagory john i'm afraid. if they were top4 and rolling in money, they wouldn't even mention the likes of the two favourites. if would be all foreigners. not saying thats right but there you are. as has been mentioned a few times there's very few bigger clubs than us now that MON could realistically manage with his record
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Depends how much MON wants it if he's offered it. Last chance of a real traditional big job i'd say now his standing has dropped. neither MON or Hodgson would be in the running if they were top4
I'm sorry, but exactly how has MON's standing dropped? I think the fact he's favourite for a job like Liverpool would say that those outside of Villa percieve him to be doing a good job here!
he's strictly in the b-list catagory john i'm afraid. if they were top4 and rolling in money, they wouldn't even mention the likes of the two favourites. if would be all foreigners. not saying thats right but there you are. as has been mentioned a few times there's very few bigger clubs than us now that MON could realistically manage with his record
agreed greg and liverpool is one of them!
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if o neill does not want the l;iverpool job , he needs to issue a statement saying so otherwise this speculation will carry on and on all summer, i think if offered the liverpool job he would take it!
How can he issue a statement about a job he hasn't been offered, that is just daft.
Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
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liverpool is a huge job and massive support and tradition worldwide, i can see the attraction in him going there , and to be quite honest wouldnt be sorry if he did.
i do not see him taking us any further and his departure might be for the best in the long run , lets go for rijkaerd or klinsmann ourselves and in a years time we might find oursleves in a much better position!
Why Klinnsmann?
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Depends how much MON wants it if he's offered it. Last chance of a real traditional big job i'd say now his standing has dropped. neither MON or Hodgson would be in the running if they were top4
I'm sorry, but exactly how has MON's standing dropped? I think the fact he's favourite for a job like Liverpool would say that those outside of Villa percieve him to be doing a good job here!
he's strictly in the b-list catagory john i'm afraid. if they were top4 and rolling in money, they wouldn't even mention the likes of the two favourites. if would be all foreigners. not saying thats right but there you are. as has been mentioned a few times there's very few bigger clubs than us now that MON could realistically manage with his record
In the scope of world football, then he probably is B list. Within the domestic game I think his standing is higher, but that's just my opinion.
I think you'd have to equate the Liveropool job as it is now with Villa should Martin go. They have more history/glamour/profile and we're better financed and run. So with the odd variation, couldn't see Dalglish in the running for the Villa job as an example, I'd say that there would be similar names linked to us should Martin go.
All goes to show that our own views aside, he's held in a pretty high regard.
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if o neill does not want the l;iverpool job , he needs to issue a statement saying so otherwise this speculation will carry on and on all summer, i think if offered the liverpool job he would take it!
How can he issue a statement about a job he hasn't been offered, that is just daft.
Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
Normally these things are only denied by the answering of a direct question in a press conference. That isn't going to happen anytime soon!
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if o neill does not want the l;iverpool job , he needs to issue a statement saying so otherwise this speculation will carry on and on all summer, i think if offered the liverpool job he would take it!
I thought all these statements had already been made hadn't they? But if the papers want to talk let them talk. Boring, but it fills column inches.
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Firstly, painful as it is to admit, it would be a step up for MON as a professional football manager.
Secondly to all those who would welcome this - be careful what you wish for.
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Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
I think you need to reconsider that. Mars is a fantastic planet with a great tradition.
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he issues a statement saying he has no interest in leaving aston villa full stop, until he does this in the light of the liverpool job being available he will be contantly linked with it , make a statement and it stops speculation.
do i detect chris smith you are beginning to panic at the thought of losing mr o neill?
to be quite frank clampy id take 10 of the names on the list for the liverpool job ahead of o neill, but if mon goes there then thats their problem .
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I've mentioned this in the othe rplace but will reiterate here - i hope MON does take the Liverpool job.
I don't think he has succeeded with the resources at his disposal - both monetary and with the team - and so has been more of a hindrance than a help.
Last season we had become very predictable and at times looked laboured. our best player wasn't utilised correctly and was chopping and changing wings rather than concentrating on his own job just so the manager could accommodate Downing, to me that cost us points. the decision to have a side that lacked balnce cost us points. The fact that Terry was right - we did look as if we huffed and puffed in the last 3rd of games cost us points, making Petrov captain cost us points as it was a staement of intent that he would not be dropped and contributed to the poor balance of the team with Milner moving inside.
All in all the players we had were not managed into an effective team unit that won regularly enough. the fact that we got so close to 4th is a testament to the fact that we have good players - but a manager that isn't getting them best out fo them as a team.
Time for him to go and Liverpool are welcome to him.
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well said peter w -agreed totally! at least we wouldnt have to see his turgid brand of football , well only when liverpool visit-see how long their fans put up with such dire football!
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to be quite frank clampy id take 10 of the names on the list for the liverpool job ahead of o neill, but if mon goes there then thats their problem .
Who are these 10 names then, out of interest?
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if o neill does not want the l;iverpool job , he needs to issue a statement saying so otherwise this speculation will carry on and on all summer, i think if offered the liverpool job he would take it!
How can he issue a statement about a job he hasn't been offered, that is just daft.
Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
I think you should take it if it's offered. Unless they let you work from home, obv.
Back to the point, though, there's not really much point him coming out and saying anything at this point, at least until he's directly asked about it.
FWIW, I think he's too careful in his career choices to go somewhere like Liverpool in their current position.
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Depends how much MON wants it if he's offered it. Last chance of a real traditional big job i'd say now his standing has dropped. neither MON or Hodgson would be in the running if they were top4
I'm sorry, but exactly how has MON's standing dropped? I think the fact he's favourite for a job like Liverpool would say that those outside of Villa percieve him to be doing a good job here!
he's strictly in the b-list catagory john i'm afraid. if they were top4 and rolling in money, they wouldn't even mention the likes of the two favourites. if would be all foreigners. not saying thats right but there you are. as has been mentioned a few times there's very few bigger clubs than us now that MON could realistically manage with his record
In the scope of world football, then he probably is B list. Within the domestic game I think his standing is higher, but that's just my opinion.
I think you'd have to equate the Liveropool job as it is now with Villa should Martin go. They have more history/glamour/profile and we're better financed and run. So with the odd variation, couldn't see Dalglish in the running for the Villa job as an example, I'd say that there would be similar names linked to us should Martin go.
All goes to show that our own views aside, he's held in a pretty high regard.
agree with most of that. i'd say since he came here, he's shown he can improve a side to Europa league standard given good financial backing. Cant imagine that would bring in many offers from CL clubs in normal circumstances, so given that sort of club is out of his league he may be tempted to take a chance at restoring liverpool. fact remains that IF they can get a new owner to take over who will deal with the debt, their turnover and commercial operations are far in excess of what we can offer in terms of building a team
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klinsmann, rijkaerd, hodgson,bilic, van gaal,pellegrini, van basten, magath,moyes and dalglish would all do a better job than o neill!
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do i detect chris smith you are beginning to panic at the thought of losing mr o neill?
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No.
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I've mentioned this in the othe rplace but will reiterate here - i hope MON does take the Liverpool job.
I don't think he has succeeded with the resources at his disposal - both monetary and with the team - and so has been more of a hindrance than a help.
Last season we had become very predictable and at times looked laboured. our best player wasn't utilised correctly and was chopping and changing wings rather than concentrating on his own job just so the manager could accommodate Downing, to me that cost us points. the decision to have a side that lacked balnce cost us points. The fact that Terry was right - we did look as if we huffed and puffed in the last 3rd of games cost us points, making Petrov captain cost us points as it was a staement of intent that he would not be dropped and contributed to the poor balance of the team with Milner moving inside.
All in all the players we had were not managed into an effective team unit that won regularly enough. the fact that we got so close to 4th is a testament to the fact that we have good players - but a manager that isn't getting them best out fo them as a team.
Time for him to go and Liverpool are welcome to him.
Although I actually agree with some of your points, if not the conclusions you draw, lets not foeget that:-
The new defence he bought won us points.
His decision to play Milner in the centre won us points.
The development work down over the summer with Gabby won us points.
I strikes me that when you say 'more hinderance than help' you are effectively saying that anyone managing us could have got us as far as he did in three competitions. I guess that's where we fundementally disagree.
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there is a wide gulf of opinion between pro and anti o neill fans and never the twain shall meet.i thank him him for getting us this far but i do not have faith in him getting us any further.
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klinsmann, rijkaerd, hodgson,bilic, van gaal,pellegrini, van basten, magath,moyes and dalglish would all do a better job than o neill!
The sad thing is I think you genuinely believe it. That just appointing some bloke with a foreign name, regardless of experience, guarantees success.
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eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!
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klinsmann, rijkaerd, hodgson,bilic, van gaal,pellegrini, van basten, magath,moyes and dalglish would all do a better job than o neill!
Klinnsmann, who's only job in club management was at Bayern Munich, from which he got sacked.
Dalglish, who's last job in club management was 15 odd years ago. That would be a desperate move.
The rest you may have a point, and until MON leaves, it's a discussion for another time.
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The development work down over the summer with Gabby won us points.
If you're referring to Gabby beefing up, I recall MON being as surprised as us when he saw him. Nothing to do with MON.
If you're referring to Gabby once again improving as a player, then I agree, MON has to take some of the credit.
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eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!
At least he's stopped calling him Chris Smith, like a robot.
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well said peter w -agreed totally! at least we wouldnt have to see his turgid brand of football , well only when liverpool visit-see how long their fans put up with such dire football!
So it's not really a case of anyone panicking because they think MON will leave, it's you arguing that MON will leave because it's wishful thinking on your part. Sorry pal, he's going nowhere, but keep wishing away if it amuses you.
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eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!
You can call me Chris, I don't bite.
I don't believe there is any need to change but if and when we do I would hope that we are a little more discerning than your scattergun approach.
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eash to their own views mr smith , i unlike you do not believe martin can take us to the next level and think we need a change!
You can call me Chris, I don't bite.
I don't believe there is any need to change but if and when we do I would hope that we are a little more discerning than your scattergun approach.
Chris, by the time you ever admit to needing a change of manager, you can bet laser guns will be a thing of the past. (winky)
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I've mentioned this in the othe rplace but will reiterate here - i hope MON does take the Liverpool job.
I don't think he has succeeded with the resources at his disposal - both monetary and with the team - and so has been more of a hindrance than a help.
Last season we had become very predictable and at times looked laboured. our best player wasn't utilised correctly and was chopping and changing wings rather than concentrating on his own job just so the manager could accommodate Downing, to me that cost us points. the decision to have a side that lacked balnce cost us points. The fact that Terry was right - we did look as if we huffed and puffed in the last 3rd of games cost us points, making Petrov captain cost us points as it was a staement of intent that he would not be dropped and contributed to the poor balance of the team with Milner moving inside.
All in all the players we had were not managed into an effective team unit that won regularly enough. the fact that we got so close to 4th is a testament to the fact that we have good players - but a manager that isn't getting them best out fo them as a team.
Time for him to go and Liverpool are welcome to him.
Although I actually agree with some of your points, if not the conclusions you draw, lets not foeget that:-
The new defence he bought won us points.
His decision to play Milner in the centre won us points.
The development work down over the summer with Gabby won us points.
I strikes me that when you say 'more hinderance than help' you are effectively saying that anyone managing us could have got us as far as he did in three competitions. I guess that's where we fundementally disagree.
I think we did as 'well' as we did in spite of MON not because of him.
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Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
I guess you getting that job would mean you wouldn't be able to frequent the site.
Feel free to call me for a reference.
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I think we did as 'well' as we did in spite of MON not because of him.
So, Gabby aside, it's players he's signed, where he picks the side and tactics and where it's his coaches. How can anything, good or bad, NOT be down to MON?
As I said, that's the bit where we fundementally disagree.
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klinsmann, rijkaerd, hodgson,bilic, van gaal,pellegrini, van basten, magath,moyes and dalglish would all do a better job than o neill!
I thought you were serious for a minute
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He has to be serious, surely they are all managers that have been able to break the top four in the premier league and keep the team there season in, season out
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Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
I guess you getting that job would mean you wouldn't be able to frequent the site.
Feel free to call me for a reference.
aye me 'n all. i've often said chris is on another planet to the rest of us.
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I think we did as 'well' as we did in spite of MON not because of him.
So, Gabby aside, it's players he's signed, where he picks the side and tactics and where it's his coaches. How can anything, good or bad, NOT be down to MON?
As I said, that's the bit where we fundementally disagree.
because ultimately its down to the ability of the players. MON has constrained them with poor tactical decisions but their own ability as got him off the hook at times.
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I think we did as 'well' as we did in spite of MON not because of him.
So, Gabby aside, it's players he's signed, where he picks the side and tactics and where it's his coaches. How can anything, good or bad, NOT be down to MON?
As I said, that's the bit where we fundementally disagree.
because ultimately its down to the ability of the players. MON has constrained them with poor tactical decisions but their own ability as got him off the hook at times.
Yet you give no credit to him for recruiting these players, who can get 6th despite a poor manager due to their ability, which is what you are saying?
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Sorry Peter, i cant agree with that, the stats dont either
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I think we did as 'well' as we did in spite of MON not because of him.
So, Gabby aside, it's players he's signed, where he picks the side and tactics and where it's his coaches. How can anything, good or bad, NOT be down to MON?
As I said, that's the bit where we fundementally disagree.
because ultimately its down to the ability of the players. MON has constrained them with poor tactical decisions but their own ability as got him off the hook at times.
Yet you give no credit to him for recruiting these players, who can get 6th despite a poor manager due to their ability, which is what you are saying?
I have never criticised him for any transfer dealings and credit is due where he has had successes. he has taken us from being a mediocre side with no direction, and with Randy, has turned us into top 6 contenders. That is very commendable.
He also has turned us into one of the better teams defensively.
What I am saying is that his abilities as a manager are now matched with the position we are in. I am not, nor have i ever sdaid, that he's shit or lacks any ability whatsoever. I am stating that he cannot go beyond this point and isn't good enough as a manager to ruen this team into a team that regularly wins.
is it only 2 seasons ago we were talking about us as a secret? that we knew there was a fresh, pacy, attractive to watch Aston villa just bubbling under waiting to be unleashed and hit teams and with the right additions we would surely be looking to hit the top 4?
Take away Tottenham, man city, etc does that team bare any resemblance to what we saw from about january onwards in 08-09 never mind last season?
No, we need a manager that isn't slowly start to get it wrong in terms of selection and team set-up. We need a manager who won't tinker too much with positions, we need a manager that knows who our best player as and build the team around him. We need a change.
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Sorry Peter, i cant agree with that, the stats dont either
The stats can read whatever you want them to.
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Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
I guess you getting that job would mean you wouldn't be able to frequent the site.
Feel free to call me for a reference.
aye me 'n all. i've often said chris is on another planet to the rest of us.
So Mr Smith, can you supply references?
Erm, well there's an Internet fantasist called Greg who keeps a scrapbook and never leaves his bedroom and there's Sarah Falkland's stalker.
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Chris Smith today issued a statement to say that he does not want to be considered for the role of Lord Emperor of Mars.
I guess you getting that job would mean you wouldn't be able to frequent the site.
Feel free to call me for a reference.
aye me 'n all. i've often said chris is on another planet to the rest of us.
So much for the coalition!
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I have never criticised him for any transfer dealings and credit is due where he has had successes. he has taken us from being a mediocre side with no direction, and with Randy, has turned us into top 6 contenders. That is very commendable.
He also has turned us into one of the better teams defensively.
What I am saying is that his abilities as a manager are now matched with the position we are in. I am not, nor have i ever sdaid, that he's shit or lacks any ability whatsoever. I am stating that he cannot go beyond this point and isn't good enough as a manager to ruen this team into a team that regularly wins.
is it only 2 seasons ago we were talking about us as a secret? that we knew there was a fresh, pacy, attractive to watch Aston villa just bubbling under waiting to be unleashed and hit teams and with the right additions we would surely be looking to hit the top 4?
Take away Tottenham, man city, etc does that team bare any resemblance to what we saw from about january onwards in 08-09 never mind last season?
No, we need a manager that isn't slowly start to get it wrong in terms of selection and team set-up. We need a manager who won't tinker too much with positions, we need a manager that knows who our best player as and build the team around him. We need a change.
How can you say his abilities as a manager are matched with the position we are in, yet state that he was more hinderance than help in getting into that position?
Without stats to hand, I would say we ARE a team that regularly wins. We all know there were too many home draws to get into 4th, but add up the home games we did win and the numerous away victories and I'd say we do win regularly, just not quite regularly enough.
We were fresh and pacy. However teams have sussed us out to an extent and we need to add other dimensions to our game beyond an over reliance of pace and wing play. It's an area he does need to address. As for exciting, it's always subjective when we talk about entertainment value, but I feel we are no worse to watch now than two years ago. Just that we're less effective at times and with a better defence get confused for boring.
And I still think that with the right additions we'll get into 4th. Some would call that stagnation, which they may have a point about, but we do seem to be getting closer, so things are surely moving in the right direction.
'take away Totenham and Man City'? Not sure what your point is here, but if we did we would be 4th!!
As for the last paragraph we could debate those points all day. Lets just say I don't see a manager getting it slowly wrong, but I do see a manager that has so far failed to address some key issues, or at least failed to address them successfully. That doesn't mean he won't or can't or that someone else would. And even if they did, would they do so to the detriment of the things we have in place that are working for us so well?
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I'd substitute your fresh and pacy for predictable and boring!
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How can you say his abilities as a manager are matched with the position we are in, yet state that he was more hinderance than help in getting into that position?
Without stats to hand, I would say we ARE a team that regularly wins. We all know there were too many home draws to get into 4th, but add up the home games we did win and the numerous away victories and I'd say we do win regularly, just not quite regularly enough.
We were fresh and pacy. However teams have sussed us out to an extent and we need to add other dimensions to our game beyond an over reliance of pace and wing play. It's an area he does need to address. As for exciting, it's always subjective when we talk about entertainment value, but I feel we are no worse to watch now than two years ago. Just that we're less effective at times and with a better defence get confused for boring.
And I still think that with the right additions we'll get into 4th. Some would call that stagnation, which they may have a point about, but we do seem to be getting closer, so things are surely moving in the right direction.
'take away Totenham and Man City'? Not sure what your point is here, but if we did we would be 4th!!
As for the last paragraph we could debate those points all day. Lets just say I don't see a manager getting it slowly wrong, but I do see a manager that has so far failed to address some key issues, or at least failed to address them successfully. That doesn't mean he won't or can't or that someone else would. And even if they did, would they do so to the detriment of the things we have in place that are working for us so well?
MON got us to 6th place which was admirable when taking his starting point into consideration. However, he has failed to get the best out of a team that was good enough to get more points last season. My point was that we finished 6th last season in spite of the manager, not because of him.
As for your second paragraph I think its a matter of defining winning regularly. I'm talking about league wins here and for me winning half of our league games is an absolute must with the quality we have available. But we struggle to do that and that just isn't good enough in a team that at one point in 08-09 had 6 or 7 players in the England squad. now the team isn't responding. Not in the way it should be after another seasons experience. Something isn't working in the way it should be for a top team.
as for being sussed out - well yes and no. teams double up on Ash and know we are pacy so defend deeper without doubt. yet, teams know Tottenham also, and man City, Everton, etc but over a season the better teams overcome these issues and wwin more games than not. Yes, you get the odd result or two that go against you, but in the main class shows. We have not had much of an idea at home how to overcome sides sitting in against us at home all season. And as for some games like Wolves, Sunderland, West Ham, Wigan, apart from some spells the away side have looked like they could play us on an even playing field. That's not just 'the odd team' that's having a lack of beleif, and an idea in what we're doing, and the lack of balance to win games, and the lack of identifying our match winner and attempting to supply him as much as possible. instead we played to teh same system week in week out. It only works so far.
My point about taking away Tottenham and Man City, is that they were not a consideration in 08-09 but were last season so added more of a challenge than the season previous to last. But, it still should not have provided us with teh challenge it did.
We do not look like scoring goals yet keep hearing about this fast, counter-attacking team with loads of bright young English talent, who are very dangerous from set-pieces. We are becoming moribund and something needs to be done to shake it up. I hope its the manager going because I think that's what it will take.
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Id go with whatever gives us more points. If thats predictable and boring, a-la Mourhinhos Chelsea, so be it
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Id go with whatever gives us more points. If thats predictable and boring, a-la Mourhinhos Chelsea, so be it
Mourinho's Chelsea won trophies. MOn's Villa win the Peace Cup and we went on about it as if it was a momentous part of our history.
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yeah. remind me how many teams won trophies this year from the premier league. I am pleased we won the peace cup. Its not a recognised cup but it gives players experience of playing in finals and how to win. My point was though that I would rather our team won or scored points in a boring fashion than played attractive football and got dicked. My first choice would be attractive AND trophy winning football team, but lets get to the winning part first.
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From a scouse site (Warning this post my contain bindipper views of an upsetting nature to some readers)
LFC needs a *motivator*, and MARTIN'O NEILL is the man to replace RAFA BENITEZ
On the 30th May 2004 (before Rafa Benitez was appointed), I wrote a post on ThisIsAnfield.com arguing that Martin O Neill should get the Manager's job ahead of Rafa Benitez and Jose Mourinho. 6 years later and my view has not changed; and now that Benitez is finally leaving, the need for a manager who is able to inspire and motivate is more pressing than ever.
I have posted variations of this article several times over the years, and my message remains the same: There is only one candidate for the Liverpool job, and that is Martin O'Neill.
Regular visitors to this site over the years will know how passionately (and regularly!) I have argued in favour of his appointment, and I know that he is the preferred choice of the Anfield hierarchy. O'Neill is also the bookies current favourite to take the job.
The key point here about O'Neill is this: wherever he has managed, he has taken the team as far as it is realistically possible to go (taking into account players at his disposal, transfer budgets etc).
What O'Neill's detractors fail to accept is context: You have to consider the quality of teams he's managed; the money available; the quality of player the team is able to attract; the status of the team etc. The, you need to ask an important question: What is the best his teams could hope to achieve? (Given their relative status/resources etc). Looking at things fairly, you will see that O'Neill has regularly done the best it is possible to do at every club he's managed.
Wycombe Wanders
Took them out of non-league football and into Division 2 (via successive promotions) in under 4 years. For a club of Wycombe's size, the best they can ever realistically hope for is Division 2, which is borne out by the fact that since O'Neill left, they have never risen higher than that.
Leicester City
Promoted to the Premier league in his first season, after which they finished ninth in 1997, tenth in 1998 and 1999, and eighth in 2000, outstanding results for a newly promoted team, and the highest that Leicester City could ever hope to climb in the top league. In fact, their league positions were arguably an overachievement.
O'Neill also took Leicester City to the League Cup final 3 times in 4 years, winning twice along the way, a by-product of which was European football in the UEFA Cup.
Liverpool fans may scoff at the league cup, but as I stated earlier, you have to consider the context, quality of the team/players, and the resources available.
Celtic
In O'Neill's first season, Celtic won the domestic treble. He was the first Celtic manager to take the team into the revamped Champions League, something he achieved three times. He also took Celtic to the 2003 UEFA Cup Final in Seville, which was lost in extra time to a Porto side coached by...José Mourinho.
In his five seasons at Celtic Park, O'Neill won three League titles, three Scottish Cups, and a League Cup. He also oversaw a record 7 consecutive victories in Old Firm derbies, and in season 2003-04 Celtic created a British record of 25 consecutive victories.
Very impressive stuff. Yet people will tear this down by saying 'but it's only Scottish football'. Nonsense. As Celtic Managers post-O'Neill have discovered, you can't just turn up and expect everything to click into place - it takes managerial expertise, something O'Neill has in abundance.
Once again, O'Neill took a club to the very maximum of what they were capable of achieving. Is it realistic to expect a club like Celtic to win the Champions League? No. It hasn't happened in over 40 years, so there's no shame in Celtic's failure to win or reach the latter stages under O'Neill. The best a club of Celtic's stature/resources can hope to achieve is exactly what O'Neill achieved.
Aston Villa
Villa had the longest unbeaten start of any Premiership side in 2006-07 (9 games), not losing a league game until 28 October. Villa's final points tally was 50, an improvement of 8 over the previous season.
Villa just missed out on a UEFA Cup spot on the final day of the 2007-08 season by finishing 6th. They scored 71 goals, (their best ever tally in the Premier League and best tally since winning the title in 1981), gained 60 points which was Villa's highest points tally since the 1996-97 season, and were the 3rd highest goalscorers.
After 25 games of the 2008-09 season the club was third in the table on 51 points, 2 points above Chelsea on level games and 7 points above Arsenal in 5th place and on course for a place in the Champions League for the first time since 1983. Villa eventually finished 6th for the second season running with 62 points, 2 more points than they finished with the previous season.
In the season just finished, O'Neill continued his great work at the Villa, leading them to 6th place...ABOVE Liverpool.
Given the cash available to the top 4 clubs in England, is it realistic for Villa to establish themselves in the top 4? Arguably, no. So far, O'Neill has taken Aston Villa almost as high as it is possible for them to go in the league.
Villa: A second-tier team
Whether O'Neill's detractors choose to accept it or not, Villa is a second tier team, in the same bracket as the likes of Everton, Birmingham, Spurs and Manchester City. Villa cannot attract the like of Torres, Drogba, Arshavin etc - it can only attract lower grade players, the likes of Carew, Petrov etc. That is nothing to do with O'Neill, it is just the way Villa is perceived.
For over 25 years (until O'Neill arrived) they have been a mid-table team, even flirting with relegation on occasion. Why would the world's top players ignore man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool to go to Villa, who has never qualified for the Champions League?
As such, O'Neill operates within certain restrictions. However, despite this, he has still managed to take Villa above Liverpool in the table.
What I am trying to get at here is this: O'Neill has a knack of taking every team he manages to apex of what they are able to achieve, and he uses the style of football that is inherent in that team to achieve success. Look at it another way: Given the expectations/resources available, could any other manager have done any better at Leicester, Wycombe, Celtic, or even Aston Villa?
At Liverpool, I have no doubt at all that O'Neill would take the club to the apex of what it is able to achieve. He would bring three magic ingredients to the party that Benitez (IMO) seriously lacks: Effective man-management, motivation skills and the ability to INSPIRE.
Liverpool does not need to rebuild; the club does not need to throw tens of millions at the problem. First and foremost, what is needed now is a manager who will maximise the massive potential of the current squad, whilst adding 2-3 astute, quality additions to enhance areas of the team that are currently lacking.
Liverpool has not had a motivator in the hotseat since Kenny Dalglish. Graeme Souness definitely wasn't a motivator; Roy Evans did his best but was a bit of a pushover; Houllier and Benitez were/are definitely not motivators. There is definitely a correlation between Liverpool's lack of league success and not having a motivator at the helm.
If Liverpool miss out on O'Neill this time then he will inevitably be snapped up by Manchester United at some point, and that will signal another period of domestic dominance for them. The club cannot allow this to happen!
I truly believe O'Neill would rather come to Liverpool anyway. At United, he would have the intense pressure to continue their success. If he won the league there, it would be expected, and he probably wouldn't get the credit for it anyway as people would say it was Ferguson's squad/influence etc. There is (arguably) a greater challenge in *creating* success than simply maintaining it, something that I think O'Neill would find attractive.
At Liverpool, O'Neill would have the chance to really make his mark on a top club. The challenge is greater and arguably more rewarding, especially given the club's failure to win the league for 20 years. And if you look at his career, he tends to gravitate towards clubs that have gone stale and are in need of serious rejuvenation.
That is Liverpool to a tee.
Granted, O'Neill is not a name that sets pulses racing, but was Bill Shankly? Bob Paisley? Joe Fagan? What had any of those three achieved in football (managerially) prior to managing Liverpool? Every time we've had a manager who comes with a big reputation the result has been (comparative) league failure: Souness, Houllier + Benitez. The exception is Dalglish, who had a big reputation as a player, but no managerial experience.
On a related note, Both Ferguson and Wenger were not big names that set pulses racing either when they joined their respective clubs. Ferguson was in the SPL; Wenger was in Japan (!) And what about Spurs with Redknapp - he'd never managed a 'big' club before, and look what happened.
The Redknapp case proves - IMO - the impact a motivator can have at a club. Before he arrived at the club, Spurs were flirting with the relegation zone. One season later and they're in the CL. They don't have players of the class of Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Mascherano etc - they have a decent squad, but Redknapp deserves all the praise - he motivated that team and look where it took them.
The same will happen with O'Neill at Liverpool, of that I have no doubt.
The Liverpool FC revolution began in 1959 with the ultimate motivator at the helm. Fifty years later and the true spirit of Shankly has almost been eradicated. It's time for rejuvenating change; it's time for Liverpool to drop the dry, joyless 'tactical' approach; it's time for the true spirit of Shankly to return.
And that means having a motivator and an inspirer in charge at Anfield.
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I'm really enjoying this debate on the relative merits of MON and am not finding it in the least a carbon copy of about 1,000,000 similar threads in the last few months.
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Id go with whatever gives us more points. If thats predictable and boring, a-la Mourhinhos Chelsea, so be it
Mourinho's Chelsea won trophies. MOn's Villa win the Peace Cup and we went on about it as if it was a momentous part of our history.
I think you'll find it was Kevin McDonald's Villa that won the Peace Cup.
MON's Villa got stuffed in the first game against a Mallaga team that had returned from holiday a few days before.
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Out of interest, how well do the fans and detractors realistically think a Liverpool team would fare under ONeill. Back into Top 4? Remaining as a Europa team, Challenging for honours? If its one of the better ones, by default, would it be a bad move for Villa to lose him?
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Just reAding the new martin o neil biography just published and it seems dalglish was director of football at Celtic when mon went there and he played a major role in attracting mon-hands twitching yet chris?
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"in the same bracket as Birmingham"?
What a ******.
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Paulie, surely you have spoken to Liverpool fans at some point? Or listened to Alan Green on Radio 5? I wouldnt expect anything other than a comment like that.
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Out of interest, how well do the fans and detractors realistically think a Liverpool team would fare under ONeill. Back into Top 4? Remaining as a Europa team, Challenging for honours? If its one of the better ones, by default, would it be a bad move for Villa to lose him?
Genuinely, I think they would get back into the top four and possibly win one of the lesser trophies such as the league cup or Europa League. if they did not lose any of their key players such as Torres, Gerrard or Mascherano. I do think that is their capability with any manager worth his salt. What I'm not sure Martin can do is what Liverpool need in the longer term and that is to reshape their squad under a new owner and get the club back as bona fide challengers for the Champions League and I'm saying that as a fan.
In the article greg posted from the Liverpool fan the key point of that I agree with is that he has taken us as far as we can go. We lack the wealth of a Man City, the Champions League football of the top four sides as well as the cachet and absolutely top class players of the big three and Liverpool. These factors mean that we are the sixth place side and that without a massive star coming through the youth system or an undiscovered gem being bought in who can fire us to the next level on the playing side or us finding one of the few better managers than MoN on te managerial side we are condemned to what we are.
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"in the same bracket as Birmingham"?
What a c***.
For over 25 years (until O'Neill arrived) they have been a mid-table team, even flirting with relegation on occasion
We've also flirted with the title in that time, and definitely haven't been a mid table club for most of the Premier League years.
Our last title victory only came 9 years before theirs. ******.
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Just reAding the new martin o neil biography just published and it seems dalglish was director of football at Celtic when mon went there and he played a major role in attracting mon-hands twitching yet chris?
He also appointed John Barnes and I'm hopeful of a similarly poor appointment.
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Interesting article and you have to agree that MON would most certainly bring excellent motivation to any side he manages, something obviously lacking under Benitez.
What the dimwit fails to see is the things Benitez brought to Liverpool that MON wouldn't, or at least not as well. He also fails to mention the fact that Liverpool are up Shit Creek and only a lunatic would go there at the moment.
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as for being sussed out - well yes and no. teams double up on Ash and know we are pacy so defend deeper without doubt. yet, teams know Tottenham also, and man City, Everton, etc but over a season the better teams overcome these issues and wwin more games than not. Yes, you get the odd result or two that go against you, but in the main class shows. We have not had much of an idea at home how to overcome sides sitting in against us at home all season. And as for some games like Wolves, Sunderland, West Ham, Wigan, apart from some spells the away side have looked like they could play us on an even playing field. That's not just 'the odd team' that's having a lack of beleif, and an idea in what we're doing, and the lack of balance to win games, and the lack of identifying our match winner and attempting to supply him as much as possible. instead we played to teh same system week in week out. It only works so far.
I wouldn't expect either Man City or Spurs to be 'found out' given the newness of their managers and large influx of new players.
As for us, you're right that it's easy to nullify our main attacking attributes by double teaming Young and sitting deep. However, you've previously commented on switching Ash around being a bad thing, yet might that not be the managers way of trying to avoid such double teaming?
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I think 6th is a good achievement. Im not satisfied with it, and want us to move on up. I cant help thinking that we are not so far away (Chelsea away aside) from challenging the top teams. Thats without the Champions league pull and without all the Citeh millions. A few performances, or results improved on and we are right there. Its so bloody frustrating
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Swithcing the two players may be good yes (Downing and Ash) but it proved otherwise last season. Downing produced nothing of note down the left - save one goal at Blackburn) and Ash is at his best on the left.
As I've also said Ashley Young is our best player. When he's firing we fire. What you don't do is feck around with him to try and accommodate others. granted it was worth the go and Ash wasn't playing at his best so it was worth trying to see if it got him and the team going.
It didn't and so we should have gone back to what works for us and the player - Ash down the left and given freedom to roam.
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Swithcing the two players may be good yes (Downing and Ash) but it proved otherwise last season. Downing produced nothing of note down the left - save one goal at Blackburn) and Ash is at his best on the left.
As I've also said Ashley Young is our best player. When he's firing we fire. What you don't do is feck around with him to try and accommodate others. granted it was worth the go and Ash wasn't playing at his best so it was worth trying to see if it got him and the team going.
It didn't and so we should have gone back to what works for us and the player - Ash down the left and given freedom to roam.
I agree Ash is at his best on the left. So is Downing, yet I do think the switching was more to do with getting more from Ash than it was to do with Downing. The other option was to keep him on the left and easy to neutralise, so I'd say fair play to the manager for trying something different, which he's often accused of not doing.
Personally, I was all for trying him in a free role in a 4-4-1-1 was Downing was fit. However, that would have meant Milner on the right and not tried in the middle, so what do I know?
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RE being found out a good idea might be to drop a striker and play Ash in a free role behind Gabby. Put Albrighton on the right, Downing on the left. If they double team Ash then they'll leave space for one of the others and get sucked out of place.
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Swithcing the two players may be good yes (Downing and Ash) but it proved otherwise last season. Downing produced nothing of note down the left - save one goal at Blackburn) and Ash is at his best on the left.
As I've also said Ashley Young is our best player. When he's firing we fire. What you don't do is feck around with him to try and accommodate others. granted it was worth the go and Ash wasn't playing at his best so it was worth trying to see if it got him and the team going.
It didn't and so we should have gone back to what works for us and the player - Ash down the left and given freedom to roam.
I agree Ash is at his best on the left. So is Downing, yet I do think the switching was more to do with getting more from Ash than it was to do with Downing. The other option was to keep him on the left and easy to neutralise, so I'd say fair play to the manager for trying something different, which he's often accused of not doing.
Personally, I was all for trying him in a free role in a 4-4-1-1 was Downing was fit. However, that would have meant Milner on the right and not tried in the middle, so what do I know?
I've said all along that Milner best position is as a Des Bremner type right-midfielder.
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RE being found out a good idea might be to drop a striker and play Ash in a free role behind Gabby. Put Albrighton on the right, Downing on the left. If they double team Ash then they'll leave space for one of the others and get sucked out of place.
Maybe, but Albrighton isn't good enough and Ash is a winger.
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RE being found out a good idea might be to drop a striker and play Ash in a free role behind Gabby. Put Albrighton on the right, Downing on the left. If they double team Ash then they'll leave space for one of the others and get sucked out of place.
Downing coming off the bench to replace Ashley or replacing Ashley if he's having a lean spell, like most of last season.
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I've said all along that Milner best position is as a Des Bremner type right-midfielder.
I think he pretty much played that way in his first season with us. Now that we've seen him there and in the middle, I'd say he's twice the player when playing centrally.
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I've said all along that Milner best position is as a Des Bremner type right-midfielder.
I think he pretty much played that way in his first season with us. Now that we've seen him there and in the middle, I'd say he's twice the player when playing centrally.
He was playing more as a midfielder cum winger so we haven't really seen him play in the midfield role, one where the emphasis isn't on beating his man and getting a cross in.
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"in the same bracket as Birmingham"?
What a c***.
heh. if you want to leave him a comment feel free. i was gonna but i was afraid i'd put him off MON.
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/06/lfc-need-motivator-and-martino-neill-is.html
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Having read the comments from the Liverpool fans it seems they are voicing similar criticisms of him to some of his more vociferous critics on here.
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aye. he's like the scouse chris smith
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We have improved year on year for 4 straight years - not dramatically but moving forward.
When was the last time Villa achieved this?
Has any club achieved this in premier league history?
First couple of years the football was great - remember the 4-4's - but the defence had to be rebuilt for various reasons. Now we have done that he deserves another season at least to make us see if we can again be the attacking force we were. he has done nothing to deserve being replaced.
Now again be careful what you wish for. Plenty of names being bandied around in the last few pages have no grounding in English football and are not guaranteed to succeed. Look at Scholari and Ramos. A replacement might work or it could be a complete and utter catastrophe. All the great teams have one thing in common - continuity. Lets see if he can finish the job.
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I can remember Villa going from Div 3 through to Div 2 then Div 1, winning Div 1 and then winning the European Cup and managing a few Cup wins along the way. Decent year on improvement I thought at the time.
nothing like as good as Mon's achievement of course, oh no, definitely not.
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We have improved year on year for 4 straight years - not dramatically but moving forward.
And in the meantime, while we've been inching forward, Spurs and Man City have made quicker progress - meaning that the club's ambition of finishing 4th is getting harder, not easier, to achieve.
Incremental improvement is all well and good in isolation but if it's not keeping pace with our rivals' progress then it's a problem.
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aye. he's like the scouse chris smith
I just clicked on a link to RAWK and the way they are all defending Rafa it's like it's a city of Chris Smiths.
"The media keep mentioning he spent £260million on players whilst ignoring the fact he sold £160million."
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I can remember Villa going from Div 3 through to Div 2 then Div 1, winning Div 1 and then winning the European Cup and managing a few Cup wins along the way. Decent year on improvement I thought at the time.
You honestly think such a feat would be possible in today's game (at least without Man City standard riches)?
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We have improved year on year for 4 straight years - not dramatically but moving forward.
And in the meantime, while we've been inching forward, Spurs and Man City have made quicker progress - meaning that the club's ambition of finishing 4th is getting harder, not easier, to achieve.
Incremental improvement is all well and good in isolation but if it's not keeping pace with our rivals' progress then it's a problem.
we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
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We have improved year on year for 4 straight years - not dramatically but moving forward.
And in the meantime, while we've been inching forward, Spurs and Man City have made quicker progress - meaning that the club's ambition of finishing 4th is getting harder, not easier, to achieve.
Incremental improvement is all well and good in isolation but if it's not keeping pace with our rivals' progress then it's a problem.
we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
I don't care how many points we've got each year. 6th, 6th and 6th is what the history books will record, and there isn't a whole heap of progress in that. It's not like the football has improved at all in that time either.
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we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
Why, what's going to happen in a year or two?
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6th, 6th. Probably.
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we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
And then another year or two because our best players have gone again. And then maybe another year because who could have guesed THEY would be taken over bya zillionaire consortium? And then another year because we had such bad luck with injuries.....
And we're no better off than we were when we started.
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I can remember Villa going from Div 3 through to Div 2 then Div 1, winning Div 1 and then winning the European Cup and managing a few Cup wins along the way. Decent year on improvement I thought at the time.
I wonder if there is a Nottingham Forest forum where Billy Davies is getting stick for failing to get them promoted in order for them to win the Premier league next season which will inevitably lead to them being crowned European champions?
I doubt it somehow.
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Have they appointed Jimmy Corkhill yet?
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I can remember Villa going from Div 3 through to Div 2 then Div 1, winning Div 1 and then winning the European Cup and managing a few Cup wins along the way. Decent year on improvement I thought at the time.
nothing like as good as Mon's achievement of course, oh no, definitely not.
Nice sarcasm.
I remember the 70s as well. Up from Div 3. Couple of mediocre seasons in Div 2. Promoted. Then nearly relegated. 4th. Back to 8th. 8th again. Upto 7th. Saunders almost forced out by the board. Won the league.Lost the Manager. Bottom half of table most of next season. Slight rally under Barton for a couple of years then into the abyss. Since when its been a constant roller coaster of up and downs, probably more downs, rarely 2 good seasons in a row, god knows how many change of Manager, and here we are moaning about 3 consecutive top 6 finishes.
Just think the Manager deserves a bit more time but its only an opinion.
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We have improved year on year for 4 straight years - not dramatically but moving forward.
And in the meantime, while we've been inching forward, Spurs and Man City have made quicker progress - meaning that the club's ambition of finishing 4th is getting harder, not easier, to achieve.
Incremental improvement is all well and good in isolation but if it's not keeping pace with our rivals' progress then it's a problem.
Not long ago we were congratulating ourselves on providing the rump if the England team and being 'best of the rest'
Fast forward to now and Spurs have actually made it to.the CL and are supplying more than one fifth of the England squad.
Football does not stand still. It isn't just a case of build on what we have, in a vacuum.
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we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
Why, what's going to happen in a year or two?
I agree Hilts, why did'nt we just ring Mourinho's agent before he went and joined one of the biggest clubs in the world?
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we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
Why, what's going to happen in a year or two?
I agree Hilts, why did'nt we just ring Mourinho's agent before he went and joined one of the biggest clubs in the world?
I think that's what is called a non sequiteur.
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Just popped in to see if there was any Villa-related news, only to find the same people moaning about the same things over and over again ad nauseum. Honestly, if I was as pessimistic and bereft of hope as some of you I don't think I'd bother any more.
How did you all cope with Ellis?
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we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
Why, what's going to happen in a year or two?
I agree Hilts, why did'nt we just ring Mourinho's agent before he went and joined one of the biggest clubs in the world?
I think that's what is called a non sequiteur.
I think it's called sarcasm.
Maybe after he leaves Real Madrid eh?
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Maybe after he leaves Real Madrid eh?
Sure, why not?
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Just popped in to see if there was any Villa-related news, only to find the same people moaning about the same things over and over again ad nauseum. Honestly, if I was as pessimistic and bereft of hope as some of you I don't think I'd bother any more.
People can't help the way they feel about things though Percy.
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Maybe after he leaves Real Madrid eh?
Sure, why not?
I'll leave others to answer that i think.
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I'll leave others to answer that i think.
Be brave, have a go yourself.
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I'll leave others to answer that i think.
Be brave, have a go yourself.
If it's all the same with you.........nah.
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If it's all the same with you.........nah.
Clampy ... retired hurt 0
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If it's all the same with you.........nah.
Clampy ... retired hurt 0
It's because i don't want to get into a Greg type squabble about something that is not going to happen. Try someone else if you're bored.
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hilts_coolerking ... absent dead 0
(Check Wisden if need be)
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I googled that and found an interesting story on wikipedia... Probably a fabrication then.
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hilts_coolerking ... absent dead 0
(Check Wisden if need be)
Blimey, you'd think they might have called the game off. It was an off-break as well. Terrible.
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It's because i don't want to get into a Greg type squabble about something that is not going to happen. Try someone else if you're bored.
So why bring it up then, ffs?
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we used to say that about Leeds and Newcastle.
Why cant we keep pace with them ? Look what happened to them.
Steady sustainable year on year progress is the only way forward for Villa.
We will all just have to be patient for another year or two.
Why, what's going to happen in a year or two?
Stagnation - If we're lucky.
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There are several 'sorts' of Villa fan.
Those that still think Villa are the best club in the world and the likes of Mourinio (spelling) Torres and Fabergas will be only to pleased to sign up, if only we took the trouble to ask them.
Then there are those that realise we are a club that has been out of the limelight for so long that the world has forgotten we exist.
There are those that pray for a speedy return to the top of the game, and those that believe it will never happen.
Villa are a financially sound club, with new owners who want to compete at the highest level that the club is capable of competing at. They will not (and why should they) throw endless money at the objective. They will oversee a gradual improvement, year on year and this with the inevitable financial melt down of the over spenders MAY result in Villa reaching the top.
This is not guaranteed though. The only guarantee is that Villa will remain a football club in the English league. And I will continue to support Villa until I die.
I dont care what happens to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Manure or Chelski or any other club. Or England !
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Villa are a financially sound club, with new owners who want to compete at the highest level that the club is capable of competing at. They will not (and why should they) throw endless money at the objective. They will oversee a gradual improvement, year on year and this with the inevitable financial melt down of the over spenders MAY result in Villa reaching the top.
This is not guaranteed though. The only guarantee is that Villa will remain a football club in the English league.
I've heard that before. In fact, we used to hear it from Mark Ansell at every AGM.
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Just popped in to see if there was any Villa-related news, only to find the same people moaning about the same things over and over again ad nauseum. Honestly, if I was as pessimistic and bereft of hope as some of you I don't think I'd bother any more.
How did you all cope with Ellis?
On average, about the same - only without the nice new scarves.
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Villa are a financially sound club, with new owners who want to compete at the highest level that the club is capable of competing at. They will not (and why should they) throw endless money at the objective. They will oversee a gradual improvement, year on year and this with the inevitable financial melt down of the over spenders MAY result in Villa reaching the top.
This is not guaranteed though. The only guarantee is that Villa will remain a football club in the English league.
I've heard that before. In fact, we used to hear it from Mark Ansell at every AGM.
Agreed Dave.
There'll never be a meltdown. There's always someone willing to 'invest'. So you have to spend to compete I'm afraid.
What was SGT's quote about Ellis spending enough to make a good team and not a great one?
Plus ca change ....
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Still think we've swapped a millionaire who can't compete for a billionaire who can't compete. the money could have been spent better though and we were possibly one january signing away from top4 2 seasons ago.
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Those that still think ... the likes of Mourinio (spelling) Torres and Fabergas will be only to pleased to sign up, if only we took the trouble to ask them.
I don't think there's anyone who thinks that.
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Villa are a financially sound club, with new owners who want to compete at the highest level that the club is capable of competing at. They will not (and why should they) throw endless money at the objective. They will oversee a gradual improvement, year on year and this with the inevitable financial melt down of the over spenders MAY result in Villa reaching the top.
This is not guaranteed though. The only guarantee is that Villa will remain a football club in the English league.
I've heard that before. In fact, we used to hear it from Mark Ansell at every AGM.
Agreed Dave.
There'll never be a meltdown. There's always someone willing to 'invest'. So you have to spend to compete I'm afraid.
What was SGT's quote about Ellis spending enough to make a good team and not a great one?
Plus ca change ....
I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
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Villa are a financially sound club, with new owners who want to compete at the highest level that the club is capable of competing at. They will not (and why should they) throw endless money at the objective. They will oversee a gradual improvement, year on year and this with the inevitable financial melt down of the over spenders MAY result in Villa reaching the top.
This is not guaranteed though. The only guarantee is that Villa will remain a football club in the English league.
I've heard that before. In fact, we used to hear it from Mark Ansell at every AGM.
Agreed Dave.
There'll never be a meltdown. There's always someone willing to 'invest'. So you have to spend to compete I'm afraid.
What was SGT's quote about Ellis spending enough to make a good team and not a great one?
Plus ca change ....
I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
Me neither ... and I accept they can't openly admit to it, although has come close in recent times.
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I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
Me neither ... and I accept they can't openly admit to it, although has come close in recent times.
I also think the difference is that in those days clubs (or rathr, their owners) spent £20 million thinking they'd eventually get £30 million back, whereas now they'll spend £200 million knowing they'll never get it back but they can afford to spend it.
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Villa are a financially sound club, with new owners who want to compete at the highest level that the club is capable of competing at. They will not (and why should they) throw endless money at the objective. They will oversee a gradual improvement, year on year and this with the inevitable financial melt down of the over spenders MAY result in Villa reaching the top.
This is not guaranteed though. The only guarantee is that Villa will remain a football club in the English league.
I've heard that before. In fact, we used to hear it from Mark Ansell at every AGM.
Agreed Dave.
There'll never be a meltdown. There's always someone willing to 'invest'. So you have to spend to compete I'm afraid.
What was SGT's quote about Ellis spending enough to make a good team and not a great one?
Plus ca change ....
I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
The gulf in finances wasn't what it is now, in fairness.
It's also difficult to compare a man who spent just over £100k of his own money in 30+ years (and that was to get a controlling stake) with a guy who has already invested £180 million and rising in just under four.
Never had a problem with Herbert not spending what he didn't have. You couldn't dislike someone for not being a billlionaire. Did have a problem with him making out that every transfer, every penny spent was his money though. The self-styled 'Mr Aston Villa' and all the rest of it.
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Not quite sure thats right dave........most clubs values have gone up significantly in the last few years.How much would we be worth now....£150m?
Ure.......not for sale at £1.5billion, Lplop....£600m?
The reason clubs are taken over, partic clubs like Villa, Everton, Citeeeeh etc, are so attractive is because you are getting a potentially big club without paying top dollar, thats why some investors are quite willing to throw short term money at clubs, in the hope at rich returns.......not that i think that is why Randy is in charge.
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I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
I think the thing with Doug was that the spending he funded was fairly static at a time when the general finances of football were on an upward spiral, which is why we were finding ourselves left behind. As a club we were not moving with the times. We are now thanks to Randy putting the money in, but in many respects still playing catch up.
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I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
I think the thing with Doug was that the spending he funded was fairly static at a time when the general finances of football were on an upward spiral, which is why we were finding ourselves left behind. As a club we were not moving with the times. We are now thanks to Randy putting the money in, but in many respects still playing catch up.
The trouble was that first we weren't going to spend big, then when we chaged our minds it was when the market was at its height and we ended up paying top dollar & then some for very ordinary players.
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Optimism is still a bij (my 'the letter between f and h' is broken thanks to the little man) pointer here thoujh. We still think Randy will spend somethink and we've never had a sustained amount of summer spendin as we have seen over the last 3-4 seasons. as much as we will cut back this summer you still, or I do, expect us to compete with those around us in terms of outlay - the usual suspects excepted.
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Still think we've swapped a millionaire who can't compete for a billionaire who can't compete.......
Hating to ruin some people's misconceptions - not just the one quoted here - but Randy is not a billionaire. His personal wealth is estimated at £800 million - £200 million short of this qualification.
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Still think we've swapped a millionaire who can't compete for a billionaire who can't compete.......
Hating to ruin some people's misconceptions - not just the one quoted here - but Randy is not a billionaire. His personal wealth is estimated at £800 million - £200 million short of this qualification.
That would make him a dollar billionaire though would it not?
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I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
I think the thing with Doug was that the spending he funded was fairly static at a time when the general finances of football were on an upward spiral, which is why we were finding ourselves left behind. As a club we were not moving with the times. We are now thanks to Randy putting the money in, but in many respects still playing catch up.
The trouble was that first we weren't going to spend big, then when we chaged our minds it was when the market was at its height and we ended up paying top dollar & then some for very ordinary players.
If you mean Gregory era, then I agree. Without doing some maths I can't be arsed with at this time of night, I always felt that we were spending the floatation money rather than Doug's, but in fairness it did amount to the same thing. However, one spending spree is relatively meaningless without it being part of an established building programme, which it was not.
The difference now is that I feel a knock back of whatever kind will not deter the board from their goals. Only now do I feel that this is being done WITH the supporters and not inspite of them. We can argue about the manager until we bore each other to tears, but I wouldn't swap our owner for the next idiot to come along with a billion in oil money and a passing interest in the newest plaything.
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Still think we've swapped a millionaire who can't compete for a billionaire who can't compete.......
Hating to ruin some people's misconceptions - not just the one quoted here - but Randy is not a billionaire. His personal wealth is estimated at £800 million - £200 million short of this qualification.
That would make him a dollar billionaire though would it not?
Yes it would.
However - talking £ sterling, from what I read on football's rich list, it is still well short of: Man City's owners - £20+ billion; Abramovic - £17 billion; the Glazers; the combined wealth of the Arsenal Directors; the combined wealth of the Tottenham board (one member of which has a personal wealth of approx £1.5 billion); An Everton director has a personal wealth of over £1 billion.
It is about the same amount as the combined personal wealth of Gillete and Hicks at Liverpool.
Perhaps we are not as high up in the "wealthy club league" as some supporters think?
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An Everton director has a personal wealth of over £1 billion.
I must admit this surprises me. Everton are generally regarded as not as well off as Villa.
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An Everton director has a personal wealth of over £1 billion.
I must admit this surprises me. Everton are generally regarded as not as well off as Villa.
It's like comparing who has the fittest girlfriend when only one of them is putting out.
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An Everton director has a personal wealth of over £1 billion.
I must admit this surprises me. Everton are generally regarded as not as well off as Villa.
That's Robert Earl, who founded Planet Hollywood. Other than owning about a quarter of the shares, I don't think he's ever put any money in.
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Hiddink is the first to turn down the Liverpool job.
The longer it goes on, the more likely Dalgish will be the only option, assuming Uncle Roy hasn't completely lost his marbles. How long before David O'Leary throws his hat in the ring?
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King Kenny (http://newsarse.com/2010/06/04/kenny-dalglish-begins-search-for-liverpool-manager-called-kenny-dalglish/)
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Villa are a financially sound club, with new owners who want to compete at the highest level that the club is capable of competing at. They will not (and why should they) throw endless money at the objective. They will oversee a gradual improvement, year on year and this with the inevitable financial melt down of the over spenders MAY result in Villa reaching the top.
This is not guaranteed though. The only guarantee is that Villa will remain a football club in the English league.
I've heard that before. In fact, we used to hear it from Mark Ansell at every AGM.
Agreed Dave.
There'll never be a meltdown. There's always someone willing to 'invest'. So you have to spend to compete I'm afraid.
What was SGT's quote about Ellis spending enough to make a good team and not a great one?
Plus ca change ....
I don't blame Randy now, and with hindsight we shouldn't have blamed Doug so much then. You can't spend what you haven't got.
It's because Ellis wouldnt spend (a bit of) what we hadnt got at the key times ie 1982,1996 that we are so far behind the clubs that did spend what they hadnt got. Investing in players at a time of strength was his failing. At that time it wouldve been easier to attract the star players that wouldve kept us at the top and raised our profile further.
We have been trying to play catch up ever since.
Does Mr Woodhall believe Villa will ever make it back to the top of the tree or has he given up ?
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Looks like Manuel might get the Inter job.
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Looks like Manuel might get the Inter job.
When asked for a quote he said "I know nothing."
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As long he doesn't arrive at Villa Park to replace MO'N... shudders...
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As long he doesn't arrive at Villa Park to replace MO'N... shudders...
Won competitions that MON can only dream of.
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FFS Paul.......i know you don't like MON, but.......are you NRC?
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FFS Paul.......i know you don't like MON, but.......are you NRC?
No I'm not, I can't pass but FFS I'm white with long hair, not easily confused with NRC.
Anyway, can you argue with what I've said?
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TRue, at least he has won big trophies to back up his reputation, I'd say la liga and the champions league and fa cup far outweigh o neills league cup wins and success in 2 club Scotland!
I wouldn't want rafa here but his record leaves mon trailing miles behind.
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TRue, at least he has won big trophies to back up his reputation, I'd say la liga and the champions league and fa cup far outweigh o neills league cup wins and success in 2 club Scotland!
I wouldn't want rafa here but his record leaves mon trailing miles behind.
Spot on.
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And Wengers, Hiddinks, Moyes, Redknapp, so is he better than them?
You could argue, and i hate to admit it, that you are more likely to win them trophies at clubs like Lplop, than the clubs MON has been at.
But if you think the football under MON is boring, wait to Fat Boy comes.
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And Wengers, Hiddinks, Moyes, Redknapp, so is he better than them?
You could argue, and i hate to admit it, that you are more likely to win them trophies at clubs like Liverpool, than the clubs MON has been at.
But if you think the football under MON is boring, wait to Fat Boy comes.
Celtic?!
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Winning the league at Valencia is more of an achievement than anything o neill has ever done- I wouldn't want benitez here but he's taking over the European champions , what has o neill done in his career to be classed in that bracket as a manager-I do not understand his reputation being so high based on what's he's actually won as a manager!
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We've got more chance than Celtic.
How many of their players would get in our team?
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And Wengers, Hiddinks, Moyes, Redknapp, so is he better than them?
You could argue, and i hate to admit it, that you are more likely to win them trophies at clubs like Liverpool, than the clubs MON has been at.
But if you think the football under MON is boring, wait to Fat Boy comes.
Last season was boring under MON.
Everton at home was awful. Milner and Petrov just did nothing, no movement or no creativity what so ever.
Ever seen Gabby make a busting run across the defender to beat the defender and score? no?
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Not saying MON is the Messiah, but hes not as bad as you say either.
We have, for me at least 7 players good enough to get into the CL, MON has signed 6 of them.That for me shows he's not all bad.
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Not saying MON is the manager, but hes not as bad as you say either.
We have, for me at least 7 players good enough to get into the CL, MON has signed 6 of them.That for me shows he's not all bad.
MON has signed all but 1 player in our squad.
For the money he's spent we should have more than just 7 "CL" players in our squad.
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Well Fat Boy spent a lot more, inherited 2 , and still have less.
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Well Fat Boy spent a lot more, inherited 2 , and still have less.
And won how many trophies compared to o neills zero?
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Well Fat Boy spent a lot more, inherited 2 , and still have less.
And won how many trophies compared to o neills zero?
Martin O'Neill has'nt won any trophies you say?
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If we had Gerrard, we would have won as much.
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I'm talking about at villa- already mentioned his league cups at Leicester and celtic success in 2 club land-hardly equals benitez record as a manager though ie la liga, fa cup and champions league!
For a manager approaching his 59th birthday o neills trophies don't back up his over-rated reputation in my view!
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I don't think he is over-rated.
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Are you seriouSly saying blf if we had gerrard we would have won the champions league-if so that tops anything chris smith has ever said!
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I'm talking about at villa- already mentioned his league cups at Leicester and celtic success in 2 club land-hardly equals benitez record as a manager though ie la liga, fa cup and champions league!
For a manager approaching his 59th birthday o neills trophies don't back up his over-rated reputation in my view!
You forget that he got Leicester and Wycombe promoted, and took Celtic to the Uefa Cup Final.
Benitez has done very well up until the last couple of seasons, although taking a team from Champions League winners to 7th place is some feat.
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I didn't forget Wycombe or Celtic but winning la liga with Valencia tops any of mons achievements- I'm not a fan of benitez but I find people slagging his record and lauding mons somewhat bizarre in the extreme!
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Did you see the final.......virtually won it by himself.Certainly won the FA Cup by himself.
One of the best players i have ever seen imho.
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I wouldn't want rafa here but his record leaves mon trailing miles behind.
So you're saying what a manager wins or doesn't win elsewhere isn't important to their recoed at Villa? I agree!!
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No I'm saying slagging off benitez when you see what trophies he's won in his career and singing o neills plaudits is like a man city fan slagging off man u for how crap they are!
O neill is not one of europes top managers whatever his backers may say and the fact FSW is taking over the European champions shows he still is regarded in that bracket.
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No I'm saying slagging off benitez when you see what trophies he's won in his career and singing o neills plaudits is like a man city fan slagging off man u for how crap they are!
O neill is not one of europes top managers whatever his backers may say and the fact FSW is taking over the European champions shows he still is regarded in that bracket.
And you still wouldn't want him here?
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No!But I don't want o neill either!
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No!But I don't want o neill either!
So who do you want?
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No!But I don't want o neill either!
Who then?
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Answered this many times legion- magath, rijkaerd, klinsmann, bilic ! Any of those would suit me.
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Answered this many times legion- magath, rijkaerd, klinsmann, bilic ! Any of those would suit me.
You see, to me that just says you'd expect a foreign manager to be 'sexier' and therefore do better than MON. It seems more like a 'any exotic name' answer than a considered selection.
Didn't Klinsman get sacked from his one club job?
But in fairness Rijkaard might be quite good.
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Was'nt Rickaard close to a nervous breakdown?
Has'nt done much since leaving Barca......that would worry me.
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It's because Ellis wouldnt spend (a bit of) what we hadnt got at the key times ie 1982,1996 that we are so far behind the clubs that did spend what they hadnt got. Investing in players at a time of strength was his failing. At that time it wouldve been easier to attract the star players that wouldve kept us at the top and raised our profile further.
We have been trying to play catch up ever since.
Does Mr Woodhall believe Villa will ever make it back to the top of the tree or has he given up ?
In 1982 Doug hadn't returned. In 1996 the manager spent what he wanted to spend.
I hope that one day we will compete. I doubt this will happen uncder the current management. Why are you so keen to solicit my opinions?
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Answered this many times legion- magath, rijkaerd, klinsmann, bilic ! Any of those would suit me.
And funnily enough, Benitez has probably been more successfull than all of those. You could'nt make it up East, but i'm sure you are.
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Clampy there is sadly a huge void between your views on o neill and mine but that's football-it's all about opinions and I do not think martin o neill will ever get Aston villa any higher than 6th and think we need a change !
The one thing we will always be united on is our love of this club and desire to see us win trophies once again!
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Did you see the final.......virtually won it by himself.Certainly won the FA Cup by himself
What a daft thing to say.
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O neill is not one of europes top managers whatever his backers may say and the fact FSW is taking over the European champions shows he still is regarded in that bracket.
When have Villa ever been able to attract one of Europes top managers. We have always (in my memory) been fishing in the 2nd tier.
MON has achieved what I expected him to achieve when he was appointed, nothing more and nothing less.
I think peoples expectations at the time MON came in were based more on Randy's money rather than MON's ability. Sadly, what we thought was a lot of money at the time has been exceeded or equalled by a number of clubs.
Who would have thought that a club like West Ham would find backers (the Icelandic mob) that would put them at the front in being able to buy/pay top players to go there. Likewise, Man City during the SGE era. Both proved it is not so easy as people think. Look at West Ham now and it has taken a further investment of mega bucks for Man City to reach the top six. So, perhaps we haven't done so bad with our duffer of a manager.
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Can I just say I was gutted Benitez has left red scouse. I was hoping to see many more years of Liverpool mediocrity on the back of that one CL win.
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Seems the O Neill talk has somewhat subsided. Which is pleasing. We could do without that uncertainty on top of all the Milner speculation.
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Can I just say I was gutted Benitez has left red scouse. I was hoping to see many more years of Liverpool mediocrity on the back of that one CL win.
When Benny left Valencia they were heavily in debt, but not as much as Liverpool.
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Is this why they keep on having to sell their stars to save their financial bacon or is that the fault of someone else?
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As with Robbie Keene, Benny blamed the club for bad purchases.
Something about, 'I asked for a steak and they bought me a paella'. Wrong food I know but something just as daft.
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Interesting comments from 'appy 'arry.
"I am not being presumptuous turning down Liverpool, because I haven't been offered the job and haven't spoken to anyone about it," he told ESPN Soccernet.
"There is no need, as I have one year left on my contract at Tottenham and I am not thinking about anything other than being at White Hart Lane next season."
"I can tell you that I have not been offered a new contract, but that doesn't mean I am looking to move on - far from it.
"I am loyal to Spurs, I want to stay at Spurs and I have a contract with Spurs, and I'd be happy to sign a new contract at Spurs if I was offered one, but in any case I have one year on my contract."
Is he using the Liverpool vacancy to force the issue with his contract or would he really welcome an approach from Liverpool?
Sky Sports - clicky (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6196426,00.html)
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Redknapp would be a tit to leave Spurs for Liverpool.
Could see it happening then.
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Interesting comments from 'appy 'arry.
"I am not being presumptuous turning down Liverpool, because I haven't been offered the job and haven't spoken to anyone about it," he told ESPN Soccernet.
"There is no need, as I have one year left on my contract at Tottenham and I am not thinking about anything other than being at White Hart Lane next season."
"I can tell you that I have not been offered a new contract, but that doesn't mean I am looking to move on - far from it.
"I am loyal to Spurs, I want to stay at Spurs and I have a contract with Spurs, and I'd be happy to sign a new contract at Spurs if I was offered one, but in any case I have one year on my contract."
Is he using the Liverpool vacancy to force the issue with his contract or would he really welcome an approach from Liverpool?
Sky Sports - clicky (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6196426,00.html)
I sthis the same Harry Redknapp who said that he would not be joining Southampton after he walked out on Pompey for the first time?
His words have as much sincerity as a gregnash post.
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Harry Redknapp was manager of the 'England' team in Sunday's Soccer Aid charity match.... opposite manager was Kenny Dalglish, who is, of course, leading recruitment for Liverpool's next manager.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Redknapp go.
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There were rumours a couple of months ago of some kind of fall out between harry and the spurs board-could be interesting!
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Redknapp would be a tit to leave Spurs for Liverpool.
Could see it happening then.
With any new manager having to do some wheeling and dealing in the transfer market, the Liverpool job would suit Mr 5%.
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Redknapp would be a tit to leave Spurs for Liverpool.
Could see it happening then.
With any new manager having to do some wheeling and dealing in the transfer market, the Liverpool job would suit Mr 5%.
Exactly, didn't he have a contract term at Portsmouth where he got a percentage of transfer deals done? Arry will go where the money is, great deal for Liverpool if he goes, but watch out for us losing MON to Spurs if he does.
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After getting them there and never having managed it in before, I think 'arry will want a crack at the Champions League. He's not getting any younger and there's no guarantee Liverpool would qualify next year or Spurs would do it again, so it might be his only chance.
Bit of a non-starter this story, IMO.
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Liverpool are a much bigger club though than spurs - the problem is will the new owners want him?
Have sensed all is not well behind the scenes for a while at spurs and rumours of a rift .
I can't see spurs being interested in o neill though if harry went!
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
Totally correct!
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I'd be utterly staggered if Redknapp became Liverpool manager, absolutely staggered.
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
Yeah, why would they want the manager who topped the 'long ball' charts last season? Wait a minute.....
(And before I get into a 'pro/anti-MON' argument, I mean that from the perspective of the Spurs footballing philosophy being a bit of a myth!)
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
Dont think Osama would be any good, he would just stay in the dugout the whole time and never come out
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
Dont think Osama would be any good, he would just stay in the dugout the whole time and never come out
and he's an Arsenal fan ( mind you, so is Redknapp)
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
I read somewhere that before he came to us Spurs were after MON, but he refused because of the then set up with a Director of Football. MON said at the time If you have the responsibility you should have the authority and visa versa.
Things have changed though, there is more money at Spurs and now they they are in the CL. He might view it as a better job than either Liverpool or here.
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I'd be utterly staggered if Redknapp became Liverpool manager, absolutely staggered.
He will go where the money takes him, he isn't interested in CL football before he retires. The potential for wheeling and dealing at Liverpool is enormous.
He is the one decent manager who could go there and make a bloody good job of it. The Liverpool fans would be far more likely to accept him than Hodgson so why not?
I reacon the only purpose in him making the public remarks he made would be to float his boat in front of the fans and test the reaction. If the Liverpool fans go for it the club will and if nothing else, that might provoke Spurs to offer him a new contract. Clever man.
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
He might be interested in that actually, given his present unemployment. He was let go from the position of Scapegoat at his previous cave when it became apparent to sane human beings that he had nothing to do with 9/11.
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
He might be interested in that actually, given his present unemployment. He was let go from the position of Scapegoat at his previous cave when it became apparent to sane human beings that he had nothing to do with 9/11.
Whats more Liverpool has bigger caves and the Yanks would never find him!
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Harry wont go to Lpool, he is not that stupid and likes his life on the south coast.
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MON would be the most unlikely Spurs manager ever.
No more fancy foreign signings.
No free-flowing football which they're known for across the whole of Fleet Street.
Never in a billion years. There'd be more chance of Osama bin Laden getting the job.
Dont think Osama would be any good, he would just stay in the dugout the whole time and never come out
True but you'd never know when they'd launch an attack.
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I would be amazed if Redknapp went there he's never managed up north and I don't think he ever will. As far as I know he still lives in Bournemouth and commutes to London.
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I would be amazed if Redknapp went there he's never managed up north and I don't think he ever will. As far as I know he still lives in Bournemouth and commutes to London.
Well he was interested in the Newcastle job and thats one hell of a commute!
When I first heard it I thought it was unlikely, but the more I think about it the more interesting it gets.
When is his trial listed for? Why haven't Spurs offerred him a new contract, I would have thought he could demand what he wants at the moment.
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I would be amazed if Redknapp went there he's never managed up north and I don't think he ever will. As far as I know he still lives in Bournemouth and commutes to London.
Well he was interested in the Newcastle job and thats one hell of a commute!
When I first heard it I thought it was unlikely, but the more I think about it the more interesting it gets.
When is his trial listed for? Why haven't Spurs offerred him a new contract, I would have thought he could demand what he wants at the moment.
I think moving to Newcastle is what put him off going there I think he is happy living where he is. I could see him using Liverpool to get a new contract at Spurs.
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I wouldn't rule anything out with harry.,but although they have problems there's no doubt Liverpool are one of the very biggest clubs in the world, and huge worldwide support-to manage them would be a huge temptation.
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Like him or not, he's done an exceptional job at Spurs so it wouldn't really be a surprise if he were linked.
However, his comments on the previous page are probably 10 percent "I want the Liverpool job" and 90 percent "I am using the Liverpool talk to improve my position when I go and talk to the little bald fellow about my new contract"
Fair play to him
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i wont believe a word that redknobb comes out with...
if that twitching cockerney barraboy told me that water was wet, i would have to check twice...
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He's a conniving, thieving, two-faced, saggy-faced, twitchy-faced, lying gobshyte, shyster, shitbag, shithead, dickhead, knobhead, media-whoring cockspank.
Aside from that, I guess he's an ok sort of bloke.
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Come on troy, what do really think about him rather than sitting on the fence?
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I would be amazed if Redknapp went there he's never managed up north and I don't think he ever will. As far as I know he still lives in Bournemouth and commutes to London.
Well he was interested in the Newcastle job and thats one hell of a commute!
When I first heard it I thought it was unlikely, but the more I think about it the more interesting it gets.
When is his trial listed for? Why haven't Spurs offerred him a new contract, I would have thought he could demand what he wants at the moment.
IIRC Harry wanted to fly up daily from Southampton. Newcastle wouldn't let him hence it didn't happen.
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Like him or not, he's done an exceptional job at Spurs so it wouldn't really be a surprise if he were linked.
However, his comments on the previous page are probably 10 percent "I want the Liverpool job" and 90 percent "I am using the Liverpool talk to improve my position when I go and talk to the little bald fellow about my new contract"
Fair play to him
I think you are right, pauliewalnuts.
He has proved that he can build a team in the short term, but there is no logical reason to prove he could not do it over a longer period. He is a good manager.
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Harry Redknapp reacted to reports linking him with the vacant managerial position at Liverpool by confirming that he would be ‘happy’ to sign a new contract with Tottenham.
The Merseysiders are currently weighing up their options as they look to bring in a replacement for Rafael Benitez following the Spaniard’s departure after six years at Anfield. And, while the likes of Roy Hodgson and Martin O’Neill are the most fancied for the post, that has not stopped speculation linking Redknapp with the position.
However the former Portsmouth and West Ham chief insists he has no plans to leave Tottenham, having guided them into the Champions League next season. And he would also like to stay with the north Londoners beyond the end of his current deal which expires next summer.
“I am not being presumptuous turning down Liverpool, because I haven’t been offered the job and haven’t spoken to anyone about it,” he told Soccernet.
“There is no need, as I have one year left on my contract at Tottenham and I am not thinking about anything other than being at White Hart Lane next season. I can tell you that I have not been offered a new contract, but that doesn’t mean I am looking to move on – far from it.
Source:Premier League football blog
(http://betting.betfred.com/713/sport-betting-news/football-betting/redknapp-plays-down-exit-talk/)
Very clever Harry,play one off against the other, either way you can have a big fat new contract, though most of that will go towards that tax you failed to pay a few years back!!
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Nice touch from Rafa on his way out:-
http://ht.ly/1WLuE
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Nice touch from Rafa on his way out:-
http://ht.ly/1WLuE
That one doesn't work, but I assume this is what you were referring to:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8733645.stm
A magnificent gesture.
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Yes fair play to him for that.
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That's a fantastic gesture.
Good on him.
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That's a lot of tips.
Fair play to him.
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That's a nice story. Fair play to the bloke.
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That's a lot of tips.
Fair play to him.
I like.
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Nice one Rafa.
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Fair play.
He's confirmed as the new Inter coach/manager or whatever.
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Credit where credit is due.
£1000 for each of the 96 who died at Hillsborough is a fitting gesture (and when you consider his pay-off, let alone what he's earned in salary, a gesture is what it is) and does the man a lot of credit.
I wonder how much Hicks and Gillett will donate when they eventually sell the club?
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I wonder how much Hicks and Gillett will donate when they eventually sell the club?
it won't be surprising if it's zilch.
They don't have that attachment to the club, unlike Benitez.
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/liverpool-celebrations-visible-from-space-201006042790/
Apologies if previously posted.
"Fan Charlie Reeves said: "The birth of my daughter, my wedding, committing my first ever burglary are all now reduced to 'mere occurrences'."
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Just wanted to raise the point of rafa giving £96,000 to the Hillsbourgh charity.
I know he's had a lot of bad press lately but what a good gesture to show his respect for the
club and fans of liverpool
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Rafa is great, he's done a great job at Liverpool. Shame he's not still there to make them even worse.
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Good on him, I've seen him involved with other charity fundraisers over the years.
Many footballers/managers do a lot for charity and it goes unnoticed.
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Strange amount, £96,000? Why not a round £100k - tax reasons?
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Strange amount, £96,000? Why not a round £100k - tax reasons?
£1000 for each person who lost their life, perhaps?
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will soften the blow when he comes back to raid them for Mascherano and co.
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Fair play to him. Never held him in particularly high esteem, ( not that he would have lost any sleep over that ), but a grand gesture all the same
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That's a great gesture by the man, all credit to him
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Yes, a great way to say thanks to fans who have backed him throughout.
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Did he get any part in Toy Story 3 then?....
maybe gave them that fee...
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Not saying it wasn't a nice gesture, but how is it charity? people die, you move on. If there's another reason for it being a charity then I do opologise.
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Nice one Rafa.
A good bloke underneath the abrasiveness.
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Not saying it wasn't a nice gesture, but how is it charity? people die, you move on. If there's another reason for it being a charity then I do opologise.
Whilst it's a fantastic gesture from Benitez, this is a good question.
What does the group do? What are they fighting for? I read a quote from the Group and they said the money was needed to run offices and such.
Are they still in dispute with the police? Seeking justice?
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Not saying it wasn't a nice gesture, but how is it charity? people die, you move on. If there's another reason for it being a charity then I do opologise.
Whilst it's a fantastic gesture from Benitez, this is a good question.
What does the group do? What are they fighting for? I read a quote from the Group and they said the money was needed to run offices and such.
Are they still in dispute with the police? Seeking justice?
To pursue Justice for those 96 people who died in the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster of 1989, the bereaved Families, the Survivors who came perilously close to dying in Pens 3 and 4 and those unfortunate people still suffering from the ensuing trauma of the Disaster.
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Fair play to any man who gives to charity, but had'nt he just shafted the club for £2m, then get a job the next day.
Ryan Giggs/Niall Quinn, who donated ALL their testimonial monies to charity, thats the kind of people i respect more.
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Ryan Giggs/Niall Quinn, who donated ALL their testimonial monies to charity, thats the kind of people i respect more.
The money that had been given them.
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Ryan Giggs/Niall Quinn, who donated ALL their testimonial monies to charity, thats the kind of people i respect more.
The money that had been given them.
It's still a very good gesture by them to do it.
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And the difference is?
I think it was Ryan Giggs who gave all his money from OK/Hello magazine to charity as well.
Benitez knew he was going to Inter, negotiated a £2m pay off, and then donated £96'000.RG and NQ, had a testimonial, of which 99% of other players keep the proceeds, and donated ALL to charity.
Now Ryan Giggs and Niall Quinn could have quite easily kept that money, whether or not modern players need a testimonial is another question, and that for me is very admirable, not sure Benitez' contribution is so generous tbh.
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And the difference is?
I think it was Ryan Giggs who gave all his money from OK/Hello magazine to charity as well.
Benitez knew he was going to Inter, negotiated a £2m pay off, and then donated £96'000.RG and NQ, had a testimonial, of which 99% of other players keep the proceeds, and donated ALL to charity.
Now Ryan Giggs and Niall Quinn could have quite easily kept that money, whether or not modern players need a testimonial is another question, and that for me is very admirable, not sure Benitez' contribution is so generous tbh.
Probably not a great deal, although you could argue Benitez was getting the money anyway whereas the testimonials wouldn't have been so well-supported otherwise. But to make out that Niall Quinn was some sort of saint for giving other peoples' money away struck me as odd at the time and still does.
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Call me a cynic if you like, but i get the impression that Benitez contribution was more to pacify the Lplop fans, and have a dig at the owners, whereas Giggs, and Quinns', regardless of how it was received, was more of a socially aware contribution.
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Call me a cynic if you like, but i get the impression that Benitez contribution was more to pacify the Liverpool fans, and have a dig at the owners, whereas Giggs, and Quinns', regardless of how it was received, was more of a socially aware contribution.
Cynic.
Call me gullible if you like but I saw Benitez's contribution as a generous gesture to a group of people that he had probably got to know quite well due to their regular contact with the club and that he probably felt a lot of empathy with.
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Well if thats the case, if that was me, i would have told LFC to make a contribution to the fund, and waivered my compensation.
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Call me a cynic if you like, but i get the impression that Benitez contribution was more to pacify the Liverpool fans, and have a dig at the owners, whereas Giggs, and Quinns', regardless of how it was received, was more of a socially aware contribution.
Not so.
Rafa expressley asked them to keep schtum about the donation, but the Justice people were determined that everybody should know about his gesture.
He's gone way up in my estimation.
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If thats the case then fair enough.....a good decent gesture, and like you he has gone up in my estimation.
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Call me a cynic if you like, but i get the impression that Benitez contribution was more to pacify the Liverpool fans, and have a dig at the owners, whereas Giggs, and Quinns', regardless of how it was received, was more of a socially aware contribution.
Not so.
Rafa expressley asked them to keep schtum about the donation, but the Justice people were determined that everybody should know about his gesture.
He's gone way up in my estimation.
He has always had a close bond with the fans there so I am not at all surprised by this gesture. Fair play to him.
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Nice gesture, but my opinion of him is still that he is just a fat spanish waiter and was taking Liverfool in the right direction.
UTV
The Doc
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Call me a cynic if you like, but i get the impression that Benitez contribution was more to pacify the Liverpool fans, and have a dig at the owners, whereas Giggs, and Quinns', regardless of how it was received, was more of a socially aware contribution.
Not so.
Rafa expressley asked them to keep schtum about the donation, but the Justice people were determined that everybody should know about his gesture.
He's gone way up in my estimation.
I don't think that's true. He had his photo taken with the entire committee whilst handing over the money. If he wanted it kept schtum he would have asked his solicitor to send a cheque. I find it a little ironic that after handing over the money, he is left with 96% of his severence pay from Liverpool.
There's nothing wrong with his gesture but I don't buy the saintly angle.
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Call me a cynic if you like, but i get the impression that Benitez contribution was more to pacify the Liverpool fans, and have a dig at the owners, whereas Giggs, and Quinns', regardless of how it was received, was more of a socially aware contribution.
Not so.
Rafa expressley asked them to keep schtum about the donation, but the Justice people were determined that everybody should know about his gesture.
He's gone way up in my estimation.
I don't think that's true. He had his photo taken with the entire committee whilst handing over the money. If he wanted it kept schtum he would have asked his solicitor to send a cheque. I find it a little ironic that after handing over the money, he is left with 96% of his severence pay from Liverpool.
There's nothing wrong with his gesture but I don't buy the saintly angle.
Put yourself in the shoes of the Justice committee, it's a great opportunity to raise further national awareness of what they're trying to achieve. If it's true that Benitez wanted it kept quiet, I could imagine the committee explaining to him the advantages of making the donation public. A bit like ourselves giving Acorns the shirt sponsorship, rather than just a cash donation.
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Cynicism aside, he does seem to have a genuine affection for the area and the people.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/10409916.stm
Nice gesture and well done him, I say.
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looks like woy hodgson is off there then.
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I think Woy will do gweat job there. Unfortunately.
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Anyone else read in the Mirror that Liverpool had interviewed a number of candidates including MON before deciding on Woy?
Apols if posted elsewhere.
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I think for Woy to do this when his stock is high is a big mistake. I think with the situation at the club it means that the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice.
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Its a chance to manage (love or hate the fact) one of the biggest names in football history. Shame its only in history that its a good club! And for the record and for the last fcuking time, they didnt "win the cup five times in Istanbul", only for the fifth time. Honestly....