Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: sfx412 on May 28, 2010, 04:59:06 PM
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: sfx412 on May 28, 2010, 04:59:06 PM
I've become sucked into this Villa have little hope syndrome of late with Barry going despite, and now Milner looking like he'll follow and it won't stop there.
So what can be done about it, is all I ask.
In Randy Lerner we have a wealthy owner who is a top businessman, educated at the right places, a man who must be surrounded by the right sort of people who can solve this problem I'm sure.
The days of 'Ellis think' have passed and while its sound sense to take a realistic view with World finances what they are, my faith lies with Randy Lerner to crack it and push us on
Its the fifth season under his ownership and what a change he's brought. I just can't see him allowing Villa to stand still, I cannot see why he would, so I'm optimistic when it concerns him and Villa at least.
The proof is in the pudding and so far its tasted pretty damn good compared to the days before.
Don't you agree?
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: MoetVillan on May 28, 2010, 05:05:52 PM
I agree whole heartedly. There are things that could have gone better, like referee decisions at Wembley this season, but on the whole from the squad we had, to where we are now is very impressive. This is the first season I have been able to afford ST and travel costs, and I think the money has been well spent, I have loved it. Thanks RL, see you next season
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2010, 05:42:23 PM
Pedant alert: *Four seasons in, in fact it won't be four years til August.*
Randy's done as much as we could have reasonably expected.
Title: Re: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Dave on May 28, 2010, 06:53:14 PM
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I've become sucked into this Villa have little hope syndrome of late...
Of late?!
Title: Re: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 28, 2010, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
In Randy Lerner we have a wealthy owner who is a top businessman, educated at the right places, a man who must be surrounded by the right sort of people who can solve this problem I'm sure.
His Father was a top businessman , he ( Randy) inherited his wealth.
He must mix in the right circles I agree, but we must not forget that he is no self made man, and in my opinion, there is a difference.
Nothing against nepotism mind you.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: ronshirt on May 28, 2010, 08:24:48 PM
I think perhaps sensibly the only way now we could ever expect to win the league again would be through the practise of Black Magic.
I'm not willing yet to sell my soul for such an end but I would certainly consider sponsoring a broomstick or a cat or a toad.
Title: Re: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: sfx412 on May 29, 2010, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Quote from: "sfx412"
In Randy Lerner we have a wealthy owner who is a top businessman, educated at the right places, a man who must be surrounded by the right sort of people who can solve this problem I'm sure.
His Father was a top businessman , he ( Randy) inherited his wealth.
He must mix in the right circles I agree, but we must not forget that he is no self made man, and in my opinion, there is a difference.
Nothing against nepotism mind you.
I can only go on what the General says on here and what I know from talking to people who worked for him in Chester and he looks to have done more than enough to me to be capable of managing well enough.
in comparison to out previous owners I'd say his level of financial contacts, expertise and general wealth puts him in a far higher league and one where he knows the right people
All he has to do now is sort out something to solve the dilemma teams like Barca, Milan and Man city, Chelsea bring.
I still say we can win top 4 and even with a good manager the title.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Drummond on May 29, 2010, 05:26:58 PM
He's clearly done fantastically well with the Cleveland Browns.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Legion on May 29, 2010, 05:30:31 PM
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: sfx412 on May 29, 2010, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
He's clearly done fantastically well with the Cleveland Browns.
so you aren't happy with what he's done for Villa ?
seems to me there are plenty on here for whom Mon can do no wrong yet many have doubts about RL ?
Perhaps I should ask General K to comment on Randy's Browns performance as it seems so important to some
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 29, 2010, 05:59:40 PM
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Quote from: "Drummond"
He's clearly done fantastically well with the Cleveland Browns.
so you aren't happy with what he's done for Villa ?
seems to me there are plenty on here for whom Mon can do no wrong yet many have doubts about RL ?
Perhaps I should ask General K to comment on Randy's Browns performance as it seems so important to some
I think the vast majority believe both have done a good job so far and still have more to do.
There's been almost no criticism of Lerner.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Mark H on May 29, 2010, 06:08:04 PM
Very happy with RL - I really am hopefull and positive we are moving forward in a sustainable way - we dont have a sugar daddy in the sense of the Chelsea and Man City type but he has put a lot in and will continue to do so in my opinion.
To be honest much as it sounds appealling I really would not swap him for any owner in the premier league because I still feel connected (in the small way any of us are these days at least) to the team on the pitch and not to a mega rich mans play thing.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Legion on May 29, 2010, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
seems to me there are plenty on here for whom Mon can do no wrong yet many have doubts about RL ?
I really don't know how you can say that. There may be differing opinions about the relative merits of MO'N but I rarely (if ever) see a disparaging remark aimed at RL.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: ktvillan on May 29, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
Randy is a top owner from the point of view that he respects the traditions and history of the club and is willing to invest in the future of the club both on and off the pitch.
The Browns reference is valid though because from what I've read his record there of selecting coaches and team managers etc. is less than impressive. That's in a sport he should know and understand far better than proper football, having grown up with it.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Drummond on May 29, 2010, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
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He's clearly done fantastically well with the Cleveland Browns.
so you aren't happy with what he's done for Villa ?
seems to me there are plenty on here for whom Mon can do no wrong yet many have doubts about RL ?
Perhaps I should ask General K to comment on Randy's Browns performance as it seems so important to some
Of course, we've a better profile (though nowhere near big enough still), we have finished 6th three seasons in a row etc.
However, your initial post suggested that because he was successful in business and he'd employ the right people that he'd so the same at Villa.
As someone else pointed out, he inherited his money. His track record with a sports team isn't exactly great though.
Don't get me wrong, I much prefer him to Ellis and almost any other owner out there, I was merely showing that your glowing statement was based on the wrong factors. The Browns are not a successful team, the way things are looking, we've got about as far as we can sports-wise too.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2010, 07:40:55 PM
Lerner has done everything asked of him and more. He's provided transfer funds and the wages to match.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 29, 2010, 07:43:34 PM
Four years (almost) in and I'm struggling to think of any time that he's put a foot wrong. He's given us a bit of pride back, it's easy to forget what a mess the club was under Doug.
Every club in the country (except for Chelsea and Man City, both exceptional cases) would love to have him in charge, including Liverpool and Man Utd.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2010, 08:41:48 PM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
His Father was a top businessman , he ( Randy) inherited his wealth.
He must mix in the right circles I agree, but we must not forget that he is no self made man, and in my opinion, there is a difference.
You're right, what Villa really needs is a self made owner like er Mike Ashley.
Quote from: "Risso"
Lerner has done everything asked of him and more. He's provided transfer funds and the wages to match.
Agreed, but it's the other stuff he's done like the the Holte Hotel, restoring the mosaic and the Acorns deal that mark him out as such a class owner.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2010, 09:21:38 PM
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Agreed, but it's the other stuff he's done like the the Holte Hotel, restoring the mosaic and the Acorns deal that mark him out as such a class owner.
I wonder if we'll get some more classy sarcasm about the Holte Hotel and the mozaic when people start getting impatient for signings this summer.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Shrek on May 31, 2010, 09:51:38 AM
We can have no complaints about Randy.
Just think if we had Hicks and Gillet? Luckily good old Doug saw right though them and told them where to go.
At least Liverpool had a good base to start with, we would have probably been relegated.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: cdward on May 31, 2010, 10:30:46 AM
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Agreed, but it's the other stuff he's done like the the Holte Hotel, restoring the mosaic and the Acorns deal that mark him out as such a class owner.
I wonder if we'll get some more classy sarcasm about the Holte Hotel and the mozaic when people start getting impatient for signings this summer.
More like when. That is a definite, there are some who just love to moan and whinge.
Randy has done everything right, he knows Villa are going to spend money and not everything he invests in will pay dividends, but he knew that when coming on board and he still knows it now. This is a football club, you cannot guarantee success, but you can build a firm foundation where success should follow.
Title: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2010, 11:06:49 AM
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Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "Brazilian Villain"
Agreed, but it's the other stuff he's done like the the Holte Hotel, restoring the mosaic and the Acorns deal that mark him out as such a class owner.
I wonder if we'll get some more classy sarcasm about the Holte Hotel and the mozaic when people start getting impatient for signings this summer.
More like when. That is a definite, there are some who just love to moan and whinge.
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You'll be hard pressed to find anybody on here 'Moaning and whinging' about Randy. Or anywhere for that matter, I'd say 99% of supporters are fully behind him and appreciative of what he's done for us.
Title: Re: 5 seasons, nearly, in under RL
Post by: PONGO49 on June 15, 2011, 01:40:58 PM