Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: TheSandman on March 07, 2010, 06:07:51 PM
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New season starts in Bahrain next Sunday.
Looks to be a great season coming up. That wonderfully fair and sporting German is back, Lewis and Jensen in the same car and 3/4 new teams (Depending on whether Stefan GP are allowed to replace USF1) including the return of Lotus.
I think we'll see a great title battle (expect Button to get thrashed by Hamilton sadly) with Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull looking pretty good in preseason testing. I don't think many of the changes will be successful though. I reckon the new teams will be well of the pace and it will split in three tiers, a close title battle, an average midfield and a distant well of the pace group propping the time sheets up. The stopping of re-fuelling pitstops (Pun not intended) will also I fear have a negative effect it will make it more processional (slow front runners easing off to increase fuel economy), also there will be a good chance of more first corner pile ups with the additional weight of twice the fuel will upset car balance and as Hamilton has said it might be a bit more dangerous.
Champion will be between Hamilton, Massa, Alonso and Vettel for me.
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Looking forward to it; Ladbrokes odds for top drivers are
F Alonso 11/4
L Hamilton 7/2
S Vettel 9/2
F Massa 11/2
M Schumacher 6/1
J Button 10/1
M Webber 12/1
N Rosberg 14/1
My bets will be placed later in the week.......
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Load of wank. But I hope you enjoy it.
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Apparently a new rule to allow overtaking has been introduced for next season.
I don't think it will catch on.
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Yawn. F1 pah, give me MotoGP anyday.
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Not a fan and never have been.
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I love F1 and am really looking forward to it this weekend. I htink hte re-fuelling ban will make it ever more like a scramble followed by a precession though unfortunately, so apprehensive about this season.
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To be honest, never much of a fan. Used to endure it when the old man watched it, in the good old Murray Walker days, and on BBC, without fecking ad breaks every 5 minutes.
I'm quite intrigued to watch this year though. Hamilton and Button racing on an even keel in the same car (you'd think anyway).
Plus Schumacher back.
It may sound wrong to back ze German, but I want Macher to win it.
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Alonso vs Hamilton I reckon.
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Button again. Looking forward to this season.
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Hamilton v Alonso for the title, should throw up some great races hopefully, especially with the cobbler in there as well.
Button I'm afraid won't get a look in this season he's quick but Hamilton, Vettel & Alonso are quicker.
Good luck Lotus, love the classic colour scheme.
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Apparently a new rule to allow overtaking has been introduced for next season.
I don't think it will catch on.
Ecclestone wanted to introduce short cuts to try to allow the drivers to cut corners so that there'd be more overtaking. Shows how far removed from real sport it has become that ideas like that are suggested.
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I like the politics of F1 but the racing itself bores me. I check the results and read the articles though.
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Button will get found out this season, sorry IanB.
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Which team winning would most annoy Bernie Ecclestone? I'll support them.
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Button will get found out this season, sorry IanB.
I agree as much as it pains me to say it as I like him a lot more than Hamilton.
The portents in pre-season suggests that Schuey's car is not endowed with race leading pace.
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Apparently a new rule to allow overtaking has been introduced for next season.
I don't think it will catch on.
Ecclestone wanted to introduce short cuts to try to allow the drivers to cut corners so that there'd be more overtaking. Shows how far removed from real sport it has become that ideas like that are suggested.
They should give them Wacky Races cars so you can overtake by driving over the top of other cars.
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I reckon they should make a championship where the best drivers have to drive standard road cars on tricky public roads.
F1 cars are designed to cut through the air in a way that makes overtaking much more difficult. Ford Mondeos on the other hand are not.
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A few bumps would be good like in Snowboard / Ski Cross. The cars would have to drive at high speeds over the bumps then shout "Yee-haw!" as they flew through the air like in "The Dukes of Hazzard".
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I think they should have to send a 159 character freestyle text to the race officials, plus an 'MMS' photo of the main stand taken on an earlier lap. 'Steering' with the knees not permitted.
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Button will get found out this season, sorry IanB.
No need to apologise Matt! Looking forward to it all the same. As long as McLaren wins and wins often, I'm happy.
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formula 1 is terminally boring. Bring back group a rally cars. F1 technology and power in a medium sized hatchback, but this time without the crowds on the track while the races are on - best motorsport ever!
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Button will get found out this season, sorry IanB.
I agree as much as it pains me to say it as I like him a lot more than Hamilton.
I think in terms of raw talent, you might be right. But the rule changes will suit Button much more than Hamilton. With no refuelling, tyre wear will be a lot more important to race strategy, and Button is a very smooth driver who looks after his tyres better than anyone else on the grid - an attribute that could come in very handy indeed at a few circuits.
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This year, for a change, I hope the pit-stop will have scantily-clad beauties instead of the lollipop man.
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Button will get found out this season, sorry IanB.
I agree as much as it pains me to say it as I like him a lot more than Hamilton.
I think in terms of raw talent, you might be right. But the rule changes will suit Button much more than Hamilton. With no refuelling, tyre wear will be a lot more important to race strategy, and Button is a very smooth driver who looks after his tyres better than anyone else on the grid - an attribute that could come in very handy indeed at a few circuits.
....but Hamilton is better at adapting to a changing car which will be very important as the fuel level changes throughout the race whereas Jenson likes a predictable car.
Should be interesting.
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Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article7055559.ece)
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00695/f1graphic_695077a.jpg)
Formula One’s top teams fear their best drivers could be driven out of the World Championship by hopelessly slow cars forming dangerous roadblocks.
Three new teams — Lotus, Virgin Racing and Hispania Racing — join the grid for the season-opening grand prix in Bahrain on Sunday, but already there are worries that their cars are so far off the technical pace that they could pose a hazard on straights where the best cars, such as Jenson Button’s McLaren, will reach speeds of at least 188mph.
Hispania have not even tested their car yet and Karun Chandhok, their inexperienced new driver, has never sat on a Formula One grid.
Christian Horner, the Red Bull team principal, whose drivers, Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber, are expected to challenge for the title, said: “We will just try to stay out of their way. The danger is the time difference is going to be so big — up to five seconds a lap — and the difference in the closing speeds is massive.
“You might start a lap eight seconds behind somebody and think you are OK. But you will catch these guys before the end of the lap — and then, will they be looking in their mirrors? So the potential for them to cause an incident is reasonably high. Teams are going to have to work hard to get track position so their drivers don’t run up to the back of Hispania and Virgin and Lotus at the end of a flying lap.”
Hispania, branded HRT F1, will only turn a wheel for the first time on Friday in the practice sessions — hardly inspiring confidence when Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes GP, Red Bull and the other leading teams have covered hundreds of miles in testing.
Chandhok, a 26-year-old Indian, competed for three years in the GP2 feeder series, winning only two races, before being propelled on to the Formula One grid. At least Virgin and Lotus are employing experienced drivers, such as Jarno Trulli, Heikki Kovalainen and Timo Glock, even if they are in slow cars.
The three new entrants are arriving alongside a raft of radical rule changes designed to shake up Formula One yet again, forcing teams and drivers to rethink their approach to grand-prix racing — from the moment the car leaves the pits to the vital tenths of a second won or lost when it returns for a tyre change.
The FIA’s decision to abandon refuelling for the first time since 1993 means that there will be a huge emphasis on saving petrol and conserving tyres, particularly a newly designed narrower front tyre for this season. The driver who gets both right will get into the new points system, which covers ten places, with 25 for the winner, instead of the ten of last year, down to one for tenth place.
For those with a shaky grasp of mental arithmetic, the new scoring system might be as much a test as eking out a 240-litre tank of fuel for almost 200 miles, as the 24 Formula One drivers will have to do on Sunday, but the FIA believes that the points system will encourage teams to go for wins and places, instead of settling for second-best. That remains to be seen.
The drivers will probably be happy to get the car home in the early races as they try to deal with a rear-happy vehicle that is filled to the brim with fuel at the start and gets lighter as the race goes on.
Lap times could vary by as much as three seconds from the start to the finish of the race, giving drivers a catalogue of problems to solve with every lap that passes.
But that will only add to the intrigue and test not only the skill of the drivers but their intelligence and race-craft — and now their ability to dodge slow cars that get in their way.
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Q3 and I'm confused.
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Ah, I get it, only 3 (only friggin' 3!) qualifiers this season. Fffffvettel on pole then, hmm...
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I really don't get motor racing I have to say.
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Money on Hamilton and Massa for the title.
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I've got 4 of the top 5 in my fantasy team (havent got alonso) along with sutil in 10th, just been let down my sauber constructor and Kobayashi
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I did the fantasy league thing last year. I did have Vettel last year though.
Am pretty surprised by the McLaren's relatively poor pace in comparison to RBR and Ferrari.
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I think they should do what I did with my Corgi F1 models in the 60's: simply throw a couple of dice and move the car forward the number of spaces indicated.
Bikini-clad young ladies with medically enhanced bosoms could be employed to move the cars around the track.
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Christ that was a boring season opener wasn't it? The changes seem to have made it even more calculated and predictable if that were possible.
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Christ that was a boring season opener wasn't it? The changes seem to have made it even more calculated and predictable if that were possible.
Agreed
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The number of drivers who said, "I could've gone faster, but I had to conserve my tyres" must have been a real kick in the teeth for the rule makers. Making one enforced tyre stop, followed by nursing the car home is pretty shit entertainment.
I want to see teams encouraged to go hell for leather for 200 miles. Not a game of on-track chess.
I can only hope that as the teams get used to the new rules, and how the cars respond on full tanks, they will begin taking more risks. I said to my old man with about 15 laps to go, that if brand new tyres could save 1.5 seconds or more a lap, it'd be well worth someone coming in for a stop and having a flying end to the race, but no-one seemed to want to take that risk.
Boring.
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Agreed. Boring boring boring.
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Yep. Pretty shit.
To be honest I switched over to the thrilling 3-3 draw between Rangers and Dundee United pretty quickly.
Contrary to the beliefs of those (myself included) it will be a very, very dull season and not one of the best.
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I was really disappointed. They make all these changes to make it more exciting but they haven't worked. What they need is to offer more over taking opportunities.
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Anyone seen Death Race?
Problem solved.
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I don't see why they needed to change the rules to be honest?
I thought the sport had just come out of the boring days and the last 2/3 years have been really exciting racing now they've gone back to a boring parade of cars.
If they wanted to encourage economy they should have limited the size of fuel tanks and allowed more freedom for the KERS to be developed.
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I just met Martin Brundle!
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I just met Martin Brundle!
Ooh, can I touch you?
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Well you don't expect to meet people like that out here in Glacier Country!
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I just met Martin Brundle!
Did you barge right up to him and interrupt his preparations for his day out to explain that the folks back home really wanted to know how he felt about the day ahead?
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I love F1 and look forward to the races, but that was as boring as shit.
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I just met Martin Brundle!
Meh. Met him back in 95.
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http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/f1_star_hamilton_has_car_towed_by_aussie_cops
Formula 1 star Lewis Hamilton has had his car impounded by Australian police for a motoring offence.
The McLaren driver spun his wheels and performed a fishtail stunt in his 2010 silver Mercedes, just two days before the Australian Grand Prix.
He will be charged on summons with improper use of a vehicle after Victoria Police officers pulled him over, reported the Herald Sun.
Hamilton, who won the world championship in 2008, issued a statement soon after the incident: "This evening, I was driving in an over-exuberant manner and, as a result, was stopped by the police.
"What I did was silly, and I want to apologise for it."
The sports car was towed to a police yard in Melbourne, where it will be held for 48 hours under what Australian police call anti-hoon laws - designed to clamp down on anti-social driving.
Police in a parked van saw Hamilton turn into a street with smoking wheels and pulled him over.
Senior Constable Scott Woodford said the 2008 world champion stopped right away and was "extremely co-operative".
"It would have been fair to say he was fairly disappointed with the incident," he said.
Hamilton was interviewed for around half an hour in the car, and would have been routinely breath-tested.
The star driver, who was visibly upset, had his car towed away and impounded and will also receive a fine.
It is understood he told policemen at the scene that he was worried this would dent his reputation. He was not taken back the police station for questioning.
In 2007, Hamilton was banned from driving in France after being clocked driving at 123mph.
He was given an on-the-fine and his sports car was impounded by French police.
Ha ha!
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Abysmal qualifying for Hamilton, and Button doesn't appear to be too happy a bunny either. Come on McLaren, sort it out!
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They need to stop the strop about the Red Bull's being quicker and get on with it.
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Hmmm, commentator who said Button made a massive mistake coming in to change tyres so early was really on the mark, wasn't he?
Wonder if that will be edited out of the replay later!
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A big THANK YOU to Jenson Button for cheering up my weekend.
Well done son.
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great race slightly spoilt by an Aussie twat
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Bit wet this morning.
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Bizarre balls-up by McLaren and the red ******.
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Bizarre balls-up by McLaren and the red c***s.
What happened?
I could look it up but I've got a game to go to shortly.
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Some smaller but brighter teams sent there drivers out early, despite the weather. Those two didn't, the weather only got worse, and they both qualified at the back of the grid. A "bad call" as one might say. Stupid, as we'd say.
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Hamilton and the two Ferraris were out qualified by both Lotus drivers... It is the kind of thing us Team Anyone But Those Two Teams supporters laugh our heads of at.
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Some smaller but brighter teams sent there drivers out early, despite the weather. Those two didn't, the weather only got worse, and they both qualified at the back of the grid. A "bad call" as one might say. Stupid, as we'd say.
Yes, seen it now, either very unlucky or very bad judgement.
Mind you, might make for some fun as they battle through from the back
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It is a shame they f*cked up the tyres yesterday because Lewis and Jensen are flying today.
Good race so far
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Interesting race till now, but same old issue that now they can't pass each other as they are so closely matched in power. Silly really. Need to do something that gives a thrust through to overtake and increases a little risk!!
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No rain = no overtaking= big yawn.
The most expensive procession in the world.
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No rain = no overtaking= big yawn.
The most expensive procession in the world.
Lewis went from 20th to 6th; so he overtook plenty.
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No rain = no overtaking= big yawn.
The most expensive procession in the world.
For the first race of the season this was definitely true. Not so last week, and even this week was quite good for the first half of the race. The podium places were processional, but behind them there was plenty going on...
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It's going to be a very close season.
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Just got back. Exciting first 6-7 laps or so (I was perhaps somewhat tipsy, however, so a bit difficult to keep up) and an OK first half of the race. From the mid-point onwards we were hoping for rain...
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Looking forward to Turkey at the weekend.
I just don't think the McLaren package is as competitive as it's been made out to be and that error on Button's car at Monaco was unbelievably stupid for what is supposed to be a highly professional team.
I just think the Red Bull's have the edge. I do think Vettel will have the edge over Webber in the end.
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It is going to be incredibly boring if the red bulls have simple march all the way now. McClaren, despite being poor last season, don't seem to have the corner speed to stay with the others and are always trying to bring it back on the straight. Without Kers, and without rain, overtaking is near on impossible at the front. Could become boring.
And Vettel is as annoying and German as Schumacher was all those years ago, and I fear will cheat just as much if he has a sniff.
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And Vettel is as annoying and German as Schumacher was all those years ago, and I fear will cheat just as much if he has a sniff.
Really?
I like Vettel. He is not (yet) a whinge-machine like most F1-drivers.
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Webbers on pole again, lets hope Lewis can get to the first corner first.
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Do or die Lewis move in to Turn 1.
You can do it Lewis!
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That might be just the thing McLaren needed to get back into the championship.
I think ozzjim might have a point about Vettel.
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Vettel thinks he has a divine right to bully Webber and be on pole every week. He doesn't, and is very rash. Today he seemed to expect Webber to let him dance through, and although hot headed at times Webber did nothing but keep it on the road.
Button and Hamilton showed how to overtake etc with each other and not take the other out. People aliken Vettel to Schumacher all the time, and he seems to have a similar ability to mash his car into others, but this season he has the best car, and has pushed it too hard at times and killed it too often where Schumacher used to make it count.
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And Vettel is as annoying and German as Schumacher was all those years ago, and I fear will cheat just as much if he has a sniff.
Really?
I like Vettel. He is not (yet) a whinge-machine like most F1-drivers.
Prophetic call ozzjim, considering the events of the Turkish GP last night. Impetuous over-taking move doesn't look like coming off, so he slams into Webber who was holding his line. Vettel then walks away from his car twirling his finger around his ear. He has showed no respect to his team-mate before, during or after the race.
But what gets me is Red Bull's reaction, which is to blame Mark. Vettel only caught him because Webber was in fuel saving mode, and Vettel was not because he was slip-streaming while Mark was leading. Webber should have been allowed to keep him lead, rather than being punished for using up his fuel while leading a frenetic race!
Anyway, certainly makes for a spicy Championship.
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And Vettel is as annoying and German as Schumacher was all those years ago, and I fear will cheat just as much if he has a sniff.
Really?
I like Vettel. He is not (yet) a whinge-machine like most F1-drivers.
Prophetic call ozzjim
Indeed.
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I'm no fan of Webber but I hope the square jawed Aussie outscores Vettel for the rest of the season. Quite how Vettel can't see how he was at fault for his off yesterday is beyond most people.
Vettel is quick but I've yet to see any race craft from him.
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I'm enjoying this season. Its fairly open to more than two drivers and two teams.
As for yesterdays incident. It was Webbers fault because he didnt become intangible when Vettel decided to turn into him. Its a fucking disgrace.
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Can't believe how the team seem to be backing Vettel in that crash, unless of course Webber was told to back off and let Vettel through.
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I've found this season to be boring. I just tend to nod off in the middle of the race.
And it's go, go, go... go to sleep again.
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And it really looks like McLaren and Hamilton have fucked this up good and proper first with using the wrong tyres and now with an unsave release in the pits when they changed the tyres.
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A much better race but what the hell is going on with the stewards (not penalising Massa or Liuzzi or Hamilton).
Fun and games with the tyres though nobody apart from Webber seem to have any tyres left.
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Schumacher proves he's still a total ******.
Great race, breathtaking at first. Another British 1-2, come on McLaren, go on and win it now.
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Great race yesterday, and full of incident. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Now that Maclaren are getting their shit together it my not be a Red Bull walkover after all.
And, I agree with Ian, Schumacher is becoming a menace and a liability and needs a bloody bollocking from the F1 masters or even a ban. He is obviously not in the most effective car, but he is trying to protect his old reputation and because he doesn't have the tools (car or ability any more) he is just bloody dangerous..
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And it really looks like McLaren and Hamilton have fucked this up good and proper first with using the wrong tyres and now with an unsave release in the pits when they changed the tyres.
Looks like you spoke too soon on that one Mr Sandman!
McLarens tyre gamble was clearly not much of a gamble, as the circuit rubbered in the Red Bulls were blown away & as for an unsafe release it was perfectly safe, save the fact Lewis got a load of wheel spin getting away which put him alongside Alonso instead of ahead.
As for Schumacher he should never have returned, he was a legend & now he's turned into a laughing stock on a par with his half wit brother.
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Jon/folks, why would you say that the McLarens have so quickly over taken (no pun intended) Red Bull? Can it be sustained?
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it seems to me that they cam maintain it, and will get better ian.
I think Maclaren are notoriously slow at implementing major changes quickly. Look at last season with KERS and the double diffuser. They were miles behind Brawn to start with, and eventually got their act together and were much better in the second half of the season.
Personally, I hope they continue to improve this year and give us another F1 champion.
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Thanks Andy, me too mate.
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I think the car was a compromise at the season start, :2 very different drivers, 2 very different styles. Also McLaren have never taken risks with technology or enhancements or strategy for that matter so the car has taken a bit longer to develop. Both drivers seem to be getting the best from their cars, Lewis seems to be able to wring it's neck at every opportunity & yet it suits Jensons smoother style as well.
I think Silverstone will be key which is great.
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Some accident there for Webber.
He's a lucky, lucky boy.
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Some accident there for Webber.
He's a lucky, lucky boy.
So too is Hamilton.
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Shaping up nicely for the weekend. Will be in BRDC enclosure, anyone else going this year?
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We're in Vale, Jon.
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Brilliant start for Hamilton then, and Button - fair play to both.
Vettel showing again that he is a petulant child - cost him last season and will again this, their reliability issues at Red Bull are not helped by two very hot headed drivers that loathe each other.
Why Vettel felt the need to swerve across the track to try and put Webber in the wall from the start is beyond me, but also then meant he was inevitably going to take a whack off Hamilton.
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Good result.
I like Webber and am especially happy that he got the result when he did not have equality of equipment.
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Totally agree. Was pleased for Webber. Vettel and Horner seem to be snidey underhand buggers that are clearly in some kind of love affair, and Webber is fighting for parity, the only bonus is he does have the fastest car out there, and his team mate is as unreliable as they come due to his massive ego and petulant temperament. If Vettel wins the championship it will be completely down to the car, not the skill of the drive. Button last season when his car was no longer even in the fastest 4-5 eeked out results through grit, calculated risk and brilliant drives. Vettel needs all the world to kiss his arse to win races. Red Bull would be much better off to give the preference to the senior man, he looks way more likely to deliver the title.
That said, Hamilton is all round the best there is out there. Button in the races is supreme, but Hamilton is phenomenal in qualifying and then can follow through in the races. I did find it very amusing that snidey Hornet and Viscous Vettel spent the entire week saying Button and Hamilton will fall out soon, and then spectacularly showed that their own team is in complete turmoil. Very funny. Eddie Jordan asking the direct questions the others wouldn't to Horny made me chuckle too.
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I was pleased Eddie asked Horner the question.
Good drive from Red Bull's self proclaimed number 2.
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I think Eddie Jordan said it later on the forum but he said that Sebastien Vettel is very much the Red Bull man there and that Webber only got a drive with them because his agent (Briatore) worked on their deal to get Renault engines.
I also think what with the team and the high ups being Austrian they would much prefer a German driver to do well for them.
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Alonso is a twat.
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Indeed he is. Boring GP, Silverstone have missed a trick with the new circuit, for me.
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I hope the Stewards do something.
Disgraceful.
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The missus is a massive Massa fan. Needless to say, she's not best pleased today. In the sort of mood I was post-LC final at the injustice of it all.
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I didn't realise it's been almost exactly a year since his bad accident.
I'm no Massa fan but he actually seems like a reasonable guy as opposed to the beneficiary of today's decision.
It looks like the FIA are going to do something.
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I didn't realise it's been almost exactly a year since his bad accident.
I'm no Massa fan but he actually seems like a reasonable guy as opposed to the beneficiary of today's decision.
It looks like the FIA are going to do something.
They have pissed in the ocean! 65K fine for Ferrari as if that will make any difference. Point deduction and demoting that Spaniard to last would have made the Teams respect the rule.
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Trouble is, Massa's race engineer said he was simply informing him that Alonso was catching him and apologising for the fact that he was overtaken afterwards.
Personally I don't believe a word of it but will the FIA be able to prove it was team orders?
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I didn't realise it's been almost exactly a year since his bad accident.
I'm no Massa fan but he actually seems like a reasonable guy as opposed to the beneficiary of today's decision.
It looks like the FIA are going to do something.
They have pissed in the ocean! 65K fine for Ferrari as if that will make any difference. Point deduction and demoting that Spaniard to last would have made the Teams respect the rule.
FIA- Ferrari International Assistance
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Alonso is still a twat.
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And always has been and always will be a cheat.
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There has to be something on that red bull that makes it a second faster than the others. Also, as we saw with Hamilton and Button when they had dominant cars, you have to take advantage. Red bulls favouritism of Vettel and his poor execution of a startlingly better car than the rest has meant there is a fight at the top, when if Button, Hamilton, Alonso etc were in that Red Bull the title would be all but over now.
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The Red Bull has meant to have a very good chassis and this gives it a lot of downforce meaning that they have much greater cornering speed.
Also, McLaren are still running the F-Duct that further reduces their downforce. Red Bull took it off for this Grand Prix.
Anyway Vettel won't win tomorrow as he never wins from poll.
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Ah Vettel screws up again. Imagine how many point Hamilton or Button would have with that car now. The fact they are still both in the championship race is a testament to their skill.
Webber has to push on and win the next couple of races now though just to upset Vettel even more surely. McClaren simply have not got the car competitive enough, so I am hoping for a Webber win.
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The cheating German bastard.
Could have been a nasty accident there.
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Not the first time Schumi's done that. And not the first time this season either. He should have been banned for a Grand Prix.
Wurst said he should have his Super license taken off him. He could have killed Rubens.
And nice to see Vettel's "Coffee handshake" gesture whilst driving down the pit lane/
And the Red Bulls are fastest because of the illegal, legal, flexible front wing.
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The cobbler remains untouchable.
The Red Bull flexi/non flexi wing will never be addressed as long as Vettel is driving a Red Bull cos our Bernie is his biggest fan.
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Vettel is a bloody liability. Too aggressive, too arrogant and too pampered by Red Bull. I hope Webber wins the championship and then shoves it down the nasty little shits throat. Fucking idiot.
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Vettel is a bloody liability. Too aggressive, too arrogant and too pampered by Red Bull. I hope Webber wins the championship and then shoves it down the nasty little shits throat. Fucking idiot.
Agreed. I used to like him when he was at Toro Rosso but have been feeling he's a twat since he got "promoted" to Red Bull.
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Vettel is a bloody liability. Too aggressive, too arrogant and too pampered by Red Bull. I hope Webber wins the championship and then shoves it down the nasty little shits throat. Fucking idiot.
How can you want an Aussie to win the championship though?
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Vettel is a bloody liability. Too aggressive, too arrogant and too pampered by Red Bull. I hope Webber wins the championship and then shoves it down the nasty little shits throat. Fucking idiot.
Agreed. I used to like him when he was at Toro Rosso but have been feeling he's a twat since he got "promoted" to Red Bull.
Agreed. He seemed to be a prodigious talent there and even to start with at Red Bull. This season the mistakes have become more common, he has become much more aggressive and he has suffered because of that. Basically, he has gone the opposite way from Hamilton. Webber is the man who is in form and has the confidence to profit from his team mate's failures.
If he is still in a decent position after the race at Monza then I'd back him to win it. I also fully expect a McLaren win in Italy too.
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The aussie that likes not far from Silverstone much of the year and seems a decent enough chap although again, a bit wreckless, is way more palatable than a pampered little shit that has done nothing in the sport to allow him the arrogance and contempt he has for his team mate or the other drivers. As such, if Lewis or Jenson don't win it, then I want Webber too as it would piss Vettel off more than anything, especially as he has had the more advanced car of the two and the grid all season. Haha.
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Benson Button believes Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel has worked himself out of contention to win the world title due to the number of errors he has made this season. What do you think ? More information on this Formula One Betting Article (http://betting.betfred.com/713/sport-betting-news/button-rules-out-vettel-f1-bid/)
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Vettel yet again proves to be one almighty cock behind the wheel of an F1 car.
WTF was he thinking of approaching bus stop & trying the outside line past Jenson.
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Hmm red car on pole tomorrow.
Oh well.
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Hmm red car on pole tomorrow.
Oh well.
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Former world champion Lewis Hamilton has criticised race organisers at the Singapore Grand Prix after a chicane on the course was changed into a corner. Check this Formula One Betting Article. (http://betting.betfred.com/713/sport-betting-news/formula-one-betting/hamilton-criticises-%E2%80%9Cridiculous-corner%E2%80%9D/)
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I noticed that Christian Klien has come in at Hispania and beat Senna by a second in qualifying. Previously, Senna has been thrashing his team mates Chandock and Yamamota. Now considering the fact that he's coming into a team at a tough circuit after a few years out, not at peak fitness and wasn't anything special when he last raced I wonder how well one of the top four or five drivers would do at one of the three new teams?
I reckon the differential between the new teams and the more established teams would be smaller.
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I agree with you
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I rarely watch F1 anymore, but there is sod all else on worth watching.
Is anyone actually going to manage to finish this race?
And why did "Petrov into the wall" sound so familiar?
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This weekend's inaugural Korean Grand Prix (http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/motorsport/10/18/f1.red.bull.korea/) is a step into the unknown for Formula One, but Red Bull's title hopefuls Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel are looking forward to the challenge as the 2010 season heads into its final three races.
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Oh how I laughed when Vettel went kapput!
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Alonso has been brilliant for the past few races.
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True, I bloody hope he doesn't win the thing though.
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Please, anyone but Alonso.
My preferences (in order):
Hamilton, Webber, Vetterl, No-one.
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Sadly the permutation for Hamilton to win the WDC are too far fetched for it to be a possibility.
Given that Button is also out of the running the least worst option is Webber.
It'll be interesting if Alonso wins the WDC by less than 8 points.
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Alonso has been brilliant for the past few races.
See this is where F1 loses it as a sport. How do we know he's been brilliant? The last person he overtook was his team mate who'd been ordered to slow down. Cars are so evenly matched that they look like they're scalextrix cars just going round and round.
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And hence they usually show the middle racers like Kobayashi and Sutil who are continually overtaking for position and often crashing into people at the same time. Hamilton and Button have, due to their car being worse than the other front runner had to do more overtaking, but the red bulls are so bloody quick I reckon you could put anyone down to about 12th in it and they would be top 3.
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I don't see Webber doing much tomorrow from fifth.
Hopefully, Alonso's car will break down.
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However I hope he will as I would take anyone BUT Alonso.
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Eat rubber Schuy.
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Hahaha all Alfonso had to do was finish 4th and he finished 7th ...shame couldn't have happened to a "nicer" bloke
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Nice to see Fernando as graceful in defeat as ever. I'm not that bothered about F1 but I love seeing Ferrari lose.