Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: bobcat on March 24, 2007, 01:49:24 PM
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Thought I'd restart the WWE thread after it dissappeared.
Anybody watch Smackdown last night? The crowd were booing Batista.
Still reckon Undertaker will remain unbeaten at wrestlemania.
Cena, Undertaker and Bobby Lashley to win at Wrestlemania, Edge to win mony in the bank and Steve Austin to shave McMahons head.
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Its a load of frigging nonsense.
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If you don't like it don't watch it.
Also forgot Khali to beat Kane with Kane dissapperaing for a while to promote his film.
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When did Stone Cold come back?! I might have to start watching it again.
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He's back as a one off for Wrestlemania as a special referee.
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Kennedy for MITB
Cena to beat HBK
Taker to beat Baldtista
Lashley to beat Umanga
Kane to beat GK
Ashley to beat Melina
MVP to Beat Beniot (with Beniot going to Raw to become heal to challange Cena for title)
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Wrestlemania tonight!
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I grow potatoes for fun, which on the face of it is stupid. Live and let live
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Completely agree Damon - if people want to watch it its up to them. The thing is the WWF/E generation of my age grew up with HBK and Hulk and the Undertaker etc, they were in it when we were kids, and are still now, which makes it interesting to watch for some still.
Does Chris Benoit still wrestle? The rabid wolverine! Quality.
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I think so. Check out www.obsessedwithwrestling.com
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...is wrestling fixed?..
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Completely agree Damon - if people want to watch it its up to them. The thing is the WWF/E generation of my age grew up with HBK and Hulk and the Undertaker etc, they were in it when we were kids, and are still now, which makes it interesting to watch for some still.
Does Chris Benoit still wrestle? The rabid wolverine! Quality.
The crippler crossface?
How sad am I?
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I grow potatoes for fun,
We need to highlight this.
You grow potatoes for fun???
Are all news correspondents as weird as you?
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http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/photos/
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I always thought wrestling was for Grannies.
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Completely agree Damon - if people want to watch it its up to them. The thing is the WWF/E generation of my age grew up with HBK and Hulk and the Undertaker etc, they were in it when we were kids, and are still now, which makes it interesting to watch for some still.
Does Chris Benoit still wrestle? The rabid wolverine! Quality.
There was a 60 second interview with him in the Metro on Friday, and he was doing the wave on Soccer Am at the weekend.
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The first time I saw him and J.R. was commentating, I thought his name was "Crispin Waah". The crippler crossface was great, no-one could ever get out of it.
Whatever happened to William Regal, the bloke from "Blackpool, England" who spoke like Hugh Grant? The best placard I ever saw on Smackdown was one that someone held up saying:
"WILLIAM REGAL IS A WANKER"
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Answer here:
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/w/william-regal.html
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Stopped up to watch it at my mates wrestlemania party.
Predicted every match correctly except money in the bank.
BTW Ashley is hot!
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Rumour has it Undertaker has injured his bicep requiring surgery and will drop the title on Smackdown next Friday then be away for a while.
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CHRIS BENOIT AND HIS FAMILY FOUND DEAD
"WWE is sad to report that Chris Benoit and his family have been found dead in their home. Police are currently investigating the circumstances surrounding the deaths. Tonight's Raw will be a tribute to Chris and his family." - www.wwe.com
I would be happy to learn that this is a bullshit storyline but I think this one's real.
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Seems very unlikely they'd fake him and his family dying...their ratings aren't that bad are they?
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Benoit's death part of a double murder-suicide
Written: June 25, 2007According to lead investigator Lt. Tommy Pope, of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department, in Fayetteville, Ga., the deaths of WWE Superstar Chris Benoit, wife Nancy and son Daniel were the result of a double murder-suicide, WWE.com has learned.
Benoit failed to appear both at Saturday’s live event in Beaumont, Tx., and WWE’s Vengeance: Night of Champions in Houston Sunday night, after informing WWE of a family emergency. Several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning prompted concerned friends to alert Richard Hering, VP of Government Relations for WWE, Inc. Hering, in turn, spoke with Fayette County sheriffs Monday, and requested that they respond to the Benoit residence to check on him and his family.
Authorities representing the Sheriff’s Department initially had a difficult time entering Benoit’s new Fayetteville home Monday afternoon, which had been guarded by two large German Shepherds roaming freely around the property. Once authorities entered the residence, they quickly located the bodies of Benoit, Nancy and Daniel. WWE was notified of the discovery at approximately 4 p.m.
At 10 p.m. Monday night, Lt. Pope held a press conference in conjunction with Scott Ballard, the district attorney for Fayette County. The press conference officially ruled authorities’ findings as a double murder-suicide from within the home.
WAGA, a FOX-owned and operated television station in Atlanta, reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son over the weekend, then himself on Monday.
The three bodies have been received by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s crime lab, in Decatur, Ga., where autopsies will be performed Tuesday morning. Toxicology reports will not become available for at least two weeks.
WWE.com has further information relating to both the investigation and the cause of death, but the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department has requested that WWE.com not release any additional details at this time.
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Bloody hell....
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Let's see him tap out of this one.
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I grow potatoes for fun...
If you televise it I'd certainly rather watch it than I would "Wrestling".
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Seems very unlikely they'd fake him and his family dying...their ratings aren't that bad are they?
Ratings must be bad as they had been doing a storyline about 'Mr McMahon's' supposed death when he so obviously wasn't dead. I think they were going to make it into a 'Who-dunnit' storyline.
I've not been following stories closely for a while but recorded Raw after reading about Benoit. The show opened to an empty stadium and Vince McMahon standing in the ring saying that the show was originally going to be a testimonial to the demise of his character 'Mr McMahon'. So at least they saw some sense and dropped a stupid storyline that would have been highly offensive in light of events.
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Chris Benoit rip
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Very shocking. Always considered him to be one of the very best wrestlers of all time. Just goes to show that you might 'know' the on-screen persona, but never the 'real' individual. According to further reports, he killed his wife on Saturday, his son on Sunday and himself on Monday.
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Crikey
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Very shocking. Always considered him to be one of the very best wrestlers of all time. Just goes to show that you might 'know' the on-screen persona, but never the 'real' individual. According to further reports, he killed his wife on Saturday, his son on Sunday and himself on Monday.
I assumed he must have been heavily drunk, had an argument, killed wife and son and after sobering up spiralled into depression at what he had done and then killed himself. When I read the original story about their deaths, I assumed it to be something like a car crash or carbon monoxide poisoning or something.
Ironically, he was due to win one of the major championships on Sunday. If it is a double murder-suicide, how do the WWE handle the situation? If it had been natural causes, he would have been in the Hall of Fame next April.
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I feel guilty as I was really pissed off that he didn't turn up for the PPV on Sunday night and had to sit through Johny Nitro instead.
Everyone who spoke about him on the tribute show last night said how dedicated he was to his kids, I don't think we'll ever find out what really happened in his house.
He was the best wrestler since Eddie passed away in 2004. He was to win the ECW World Championship on Sunday.
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Was going to post about this last night but couldn't find the thread! Fucking legendary wrestlers! Bad way to go but the man we knew in the ring serious what a wrestler lost my two favourite wrestlers lets hope CM Punk or HHH isn't next!
RIP
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He was the best wrestler since Eddie passed away in 2004.
Benoit was a better wrestler than Eddie but Eddie was better on the Mike. Without Beniot Eddie would of never got his head together just ironic how Eddie was booked to win the World Championship then he died and Benoit was booked to win the ECW title!
RIP
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Very shocking. Always considered him to be one of the very best wrestlers of all time. Just goes to show that you might 'know' the on-screen persona, but never the 'real' individual. According to further reports, he killed his wife on Saturday, his son on Sunday and himself on Monday.
I assumed he must have been heavily drunk, had an argument, killed wife and son and after sobering up spiralled into depression at what he had done and then killed himself. When I read the original story about their deaths, I assumed it to be something like a car crash or carbon monoxide poisoning or something.
Ironically, he was due to win one of the major championships on Sunday. If it is a double murder-suicide, how do the WWE handle the situation? If it had been natural causes, he would have been in the Hall of Fame next April.
He will be inducted into the hall of fame! End of he deserves to me in there even though he did mess up a lot with what he did everyone said his family were the most important thing to him! Seems wired really does.
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...is wrestling fixed?..
no its a real sport with real outcomes and real people and every body who watches it has a mensa IQ
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I love the wrestling too. I can't stand Khali as all he does is grunt and he looks like desperate dan with long hair. What a chin!
I think it's great but I think Rey Mysterio is best. Is he ever coming back from when Umaga jumped on his leg?
I am still in shock about Damon and his spuds though...... :-s
Come on Damon, Tell us more!
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Bloody hell, I hadn't heard about this until now. RIP Rabid Wolverine.
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I can't believe hes done that, he seemed to have his head screwed on right unlike the more obvious problem wrestlers like Orton.
Is HHH back wrestling again? I gave up watching WWE when they started urinating all over my memories of ECW.
Does anybody watch TNA? I want to know if Russo is still booking it as if he isn't then I might start watching it again.
Currently I only watch RoH and the headline IWA/PWG shows.
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this was posted at Arstechnica:
Talic 2007-06-26 01:48:33 AM
Grain of salt, naturally. But this is coming from someone who lives in the area
A Cousin of a GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigations) has heard in his circle is that Chris Benoit's wife killed their son Daniel, called Chris and told him to rush home because of an emergency which is why he missed last Sunday's Vengeance PPV. Upon arriving home Benoit killed his wife in a rage for the death of his son and then killed himself Monday morning. His wife's body was found in the master bedroom, strangled with the cord from an alarm clock. The son's body was found in his room apparently suffocated with a garbage bag. Chris then wrote a suicide note explaining what had happened, apologized to his family, his other children (from a separate relationship), and his fans. He then fashioned a slip-knot noose from from rope taken from the garage and hung himself from the banister in the foyer of his suburban Atlanta home.
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R.I.P.
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Was going to post about this last night but couldn't find the thread! Fucking legendary wrestlers! Bad way to go but the man we knew in the ring serious what a wrestler lost my two favourite wrestlers lets hope CM Punk or HHH isn't next!
RIP
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RIP a possible double murderer?
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Will the toxicology provide a timeline of events that might lead to an accurate picture of what happened?
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Right now i am probs going to get stick for this but i respect the WRESTLER Chris Benoit! I don't the man that killed his wife and kid but as a wrestler he was one of the best as a man not one of the best! Think Paul McGrath on the pitch GOD off it didn't know what to do he didn't go as far as Benoit but its the same!
RIP Nancy and Daniel
and rest in Peace Chris Benoit!
On a side note WWE have removed every mention part from the main headline of Chris and as said by OCD looks like one of the greatest won't have a place in the Hall Of Fame where he belongs!
A sad day for wrestling
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Right now i am probs going to get stick for this but i respect the WRESTLER Chris Benoit! I don't the man that killed his wife and kid but as a wrestler he was one of the best as a man not one of the best! Think Paul McGrath on the pitch GOD off it didn't know what to do he didn't go as far as Benoit but its the same!
RIP Nancy and Daniel
and rest in Peace Chris Benoit!
On a side note WWE have removed every mention part from the main headline of Chris and as said by OCD looks like one of the greatest won't have a place in the Hall Of Fame where he belongs!
A sad day for wrestling
Stick? Not at all. You're entitled to your opinion. Did you read my earlier post?
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Apparently now Lee, according to wrestleview.com very good website this:
The Associated Press is now reporting that law enforcement officials close to the current investigation have now confirmed that Chris Benoit strangled his wife Nancy with an electrical chord on Saturday, smothered his son Daniel with a bag on Sunday and then hung himslef in his basement/weight room on Monday.
In what is both shocking and rather gruesome details, Nancy's wrists and feet were bound with tape and blood was found under the head when her body was discovered. As recapped in the press conference held earlier today outside the residence (Part 1 and Part 2), a bible was found placed next to the bodies of both Nancy and Daniel.
The press conference also confirmed that Benoit hung himself with a cord in his basement weight room. While authorities didn't want to go into details about rumors of Benoit sending out curious text messages, it is believed that at least one WWE wrestler (believed to be Chavo Guerrero) received a text message on a delayed basis from Benoit. Officials are still remaining quiet as to what the actual text messages said.
He must of been fucked up bad! Everyone said he loved his family so much, but he was private person but his wife filled for divorce in 2003 but then two days later took it back maybe he wasn't a angel as everyone put it because he use to be very strict on his kids as well so maybe thats why he was private.
So sad as he was my fav wrestler of all time and had the upmost respect for him in the ring, but we never get to see him out of the ring do we?
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
So, he's not really dead?
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
So, he's not really dead?
He'll come back in 6 months as another character.
I wonder it he gave his wife a legdrop off the top rope?
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WWE® Shocked At Latest Developments In Benoit Tragedy, Concerned By Sensationalistic Reporting
STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.
However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide:
1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.
2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.
3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.
4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.
5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.
WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
Go to Google News and search for Chris Benoit.
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
So, he's not really dead?
He'll come back in 6 months as another character.
I wonder it he gave his wife a legdrop off the top rope?
Carl yes we know its not real but this is and people have died! He was a great wrestlers one of the best EVER!
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According to further reports, he killed his wife on Saturday, his son on Sunday and himself on Monday.
Well listening to Craig David is enough to drive anyone crazy.
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
So, he's not really dead?
He'll come back in 6 months as another character.
I wonder it he gave his wife a legdrop off the top rope?
This situation is for real.
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The wrestling ain't for real! How can someone be one of the best in a completely acted out scenario?
Robert de Niro does ok...
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The wrestling ain't for real! How can someone be one of the best in a completely acted out scenario?
Because to do the moves which are planned takes a lot of skill! Chris could do anything! He could do "proper" wrestling in a era were it was looked down on! He should go in the HOF and also he should be in the top 10 or even 5 or all time greats!
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The wrestling ain't for real! How can someone be one of the best in a completely acted out scenario?
Because to do the moves which are planned takes a lot of skill!
So it's akin to Ice Skating or Ballroom Dancing?
The BBC should do a Strictly Come Wrestling.
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Benoit was one of the top 5 wrestlers of all time. Very sad that he must have had so many demons out of the ring.
So many moves he and Malenko created, he was the link between the Harts and the Guererros. Very, very sad. I hope he does get recognised in the hall of fame although I don't think it will be for a while as all these people from outside wrestling are all sensationalising it at the mo.
Maybe in a few years.
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The wrestling ain't for real! How can someone be one of the best in a completely acted out scenario?
Because to do the moves which are planned takes a lot of skill!
So it's akin to Ice Skating or Ballroom Dancing?
The BBC should do a Strictly Come Wrestling.
It's been done, it was called "tough enough" i think.
It showed how hard you have to train and committed you have to be to wrestle professionally (touring, pressure to find a new gimmic/storyline). I think if you call it fake it's like watching a play/movie saying it was good and someone saying "but it was fake" "...yes, genius ! i know that..."
But of course all that is something you can't comprehend/take on board, wonder why that is !
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
So, he's not really dead?
He'll come back in 6 months as another character.
I wonder it he gave his wife a legdrop off the top rope?
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Very, very, very sad for his wife and child, the evil get
Hold on, it's not confirmed that he killed the son yet. If he came home and found his wife had killed his son then he would want to kill her. It's very sad and nothing is confirmed except they are all dead.
Anyone over the age of ten knows that wrestling has predetermined results, but it is still entertaining and the wrestlers do work extremely hard and punish their bodies to put on a show and the moves are very technical and dangerous if done wrong.
Benoit was extremely popular with older fans, he was to the WWE what Paul McGrath is to Villa fans. There are alot of upset fans at the mo who all want answers as to what happened, and idiots taking the piss are being very insensitive.
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The wrestling ain't for real! How can someone be one of the best in a completely acted out scenario?
Because to do the moves which are planned takes a lot of skill!
So it's akin to Ice Skating or Ballroom Dancing?
The BBC should do a Strictly Come Wrestling.
It's been done, it was called "tough enough" i think.
It showed how hard you have to train and committed you have to be to wrestle professionally (touring, pressure to find a new gimmic/storyline). I think if you call it fake it's like watching a play/movie saying it was good and someone saying "but it was fake" "...yes, genius ! i know that..."
But of course all that is something you can't comprehend/take on board, wonder why that is !
Are you for real?
It's long haired, semi-naked blokes pumped full of steroids rolling around on the floor and pretending to be hurt. It might take a lot of training but then so does ballet and I can't stand that either.
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Takes a bit of effort to get into coronation street, but thats a load of acted out old toss as well.
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You are aware it's pretend aren't you?
So, he's not really dead?
He'll come back in 6 months as another character.
I wonder it he gave his wife a legdrop off the top rope?
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Silly me, he can't have, because he actually hurt her.
Maybe he hit her with a chair and didn't expect her brain to fall out of her ears.
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Benoit was extremely popular with older fans, he was to the WWE what Paul McGrath is to Villa fans
You must be joking.
McGrath was a complete one off as a player and a person, whereas wrestlers are as replaceable as actors in a soap. Their 'skills' are interchangeable and are performed by most 6 year olds in their living room.
I can't imagine the state of you when Mike Baldwin pegged it.
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Pro wrestlers in the WWE spend at least 300+ on the road performing, even though its fake the "bumps" they take do have an effect on there bodies!
What they do even thought its a dream job is tough! They do get well paid but it does take a toll on there bodies!
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If they were really hard, they'd take up boxing.
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Benoit was extremely popular with older fans, he was to the WWE what Paul McGrath is to Villa fans
You must be joking.
McGrath was a complete one off as a player and a person, whereas wrestlers are as replaceable as actors in a soap. Their 'skills' are interchangeable and are performed by most 6 year olds in their living room.
I can't imagine the state of you when Mike Baldwin pegged it.
Benoit was a one off as well, he trained with the Hart family and the Guererros and was the only proper wrestler left in the WWE. He will never be replaced the same as Owen Hart or Eddie couldn't be.
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If he wasn`t smacked out of his head on steroids all 3 of them would be here today.
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He wasn't on steroids. He was tested in April and was clean. The son had needle marks in his arm, there is no proof yet that Benoit killed the son or took steroids. It is very possible that the wife killed the son and Benoit killed her, people are just speculating and it will be at least two weeks before all lab results are concluded.
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What makes a man who loved his wife and child very much stranged them and then take his own life, you can understand if he was aruing with his wife alot she might push him to the edge and kill her but how can the man strangle his young son somethings wrong there.
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Benoit was extremely popular with older fans, he was to the WWE what Paul McGrath is to Villa fans
You must be joking.
McGrath was a complete one off as a player and a person, whereas wrestlers are as replaceable as actors in a soap. Their 'skills' are interchangeable and are performed by most 6 year olds in their living room.
I can't imagine the state of you when Mike Baldwin pegged it.
Benoit was a one off as well, he trained with the Hart family and the Guererros and was the only proper wrestler left in the WWE. He will never be replaced the same as Owen Hart or Eddie couldn't be.
I no Bobcat and the thing which is even worse is he will not get his place in the HOF where he belongs!
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What makes a man who loved his wife and child very much stranged them and then take his own life, you can understand if he was aruing with his wife alot she might push him to the edge and kill her but how can the man strangle his young son somethings wrong there.
They reckon the son was killed with a bag and sofacated (cant spell)
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What makes a man who loved his wife and child very much stranged them and then take his own life, you can understand if he was aruing with his wife alot she might push him to the edge and kill her but how can the man strangle his young son somethings wrong there.
It still has not been proved that he did kill his son.
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Well got to say i wouldn`t be surprised if all the speculation was true about how it happened they push themsleves to the limit look how the other guy who was found in his hotel room, he died through drugs.
Chris Benoit moaned about the way drugs were being used in WWE and look whats happened now.
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Well got to say i wouldn`t be surprised if all the speculation was true about how it happened they push themsleves to the limit look how the other guy who was found in his hotel room, he died through drugs.
Chris Benoit moaned about the way drugs were being used in WWE and look whats happened now.
You mean Eddie Guerrero, Chris's best mate! Two of the greatest even the trouble is there is so much pressure to keep in the right "look"!
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Apologies for the John Blackwell-esque post:
STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.
However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide:
1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.
2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.
3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.
4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.
5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.
WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.
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There were apparently some warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit.
Sources close to Nancy are reporting that she had a safety deposit box with evidence of past rages and that authorities should check the box if anything ever happened to her.
One of the text messages sent by Chris Benoit early Sunday morning said "back door open, dogs have been fed", referring to the sliding glass doors in the back of his home. No one was quite sure what to make of it, but he wasn't reachable afterward for clarification.
ABCNews.com's headline story has been updated with the following: "Her hands were bound together, her feet were bound together, and there was a little blood over her face," District Attorney Scott Ballard told ABC News in an interview after the press conference. "The medical examiner found bruising on the small of her back and bruising on the front of her body consistent with being crushed up against the floor."
CBS News has obtained a copy of the 2003 restraining order filed by Nancy Benoit against her husband Chris Benoit. In the protective order, Nancy alleges that the wrestler committed “acts of violence,” and that she feared for the safety of herself and her son Daniel.
Apparently Bubba The Love Sponge broke the Chris Benoit story on Monday. He was able to get confirmation of the story from Andrew “Test” Martin. Bubba was unable to contact his good friend Hulk Hogan for confirmation.
Brian Lawler will be a guest on CNN's Anderson Cooper Tonight at 10pm ET.
- Press Release: Like practically everyone who's a fan of wrestling, I was shocked and saddened to hear about the Benoit family tragedy. Just three short months ago, Chris Benoit was sitting across from me in my studio here at WDFN talking about Wrestlemania 23 and more. In addition to adding tributes to the Wrestling Elite web page at wdfn.com, I've re-posted the Benoit interview from March 29th on the podcast page for anyone who missed it. Scroll down to the section titled "WDFN Bits" on the podcast page to find the interview. Take care and thanks for your time. http://www.wdfn.com/cc-common/podcast.html
Interesting to see that Chris Benoit's profile on ECW's page has already been removed. During Eddie Guerrero's death, his profile remained on Smackdown for several months after his death. Seems like the WWE is trying to distance themselves from Chris.
WWEShop.com has removed all traces of Chris Benoit from the site. Chris Benoit's name has been removed from the Superstars section, as well as all his merchandise. The WrestleMania 23 DVD no longer lists his match against MVP in the match listing and the description for a plaque autographed by all of the winners at WrestleMania no longer lists his name. Furthermore, a search for "Benoit" or "Chris Benoit" leads to a blank page with the words: Search results for "discontinued".
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The story becomes more and more shocking...
In an interview with ESPN.com, Fayetteville, Georgia District Attorney Scott Ballard revealed new information on two text messages that Chris Benoit sent to Chavo Guerrero over the weekend. In the first message, Benoit told Guerrero that Nancy and Daniel Benoit were both sick. It is believed that Benoit sent this message after he had already killed both Nancy and Daniel. In the second message, Benoit told Guerrero that the gates to his house were open and that dogs were outside. It is believed that he sent the second message as a way of making sure the bodies were all found after his suicide.
Even more shocking is that Benoit's son, Daniel, was apparently found with needle marks in his arm. According to Ballard, the boy was being given Human Growth Hormones because the family thought he was undersized.
The article also states that Benoit used weights and the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment to hang himself.
Jim Ross has put up his comments on the Chris Benoit situation at JrsBarBQ.com.
WWE just issued the following statement regarding their decision to cancel their July tour of Canada: Out of respect for the surviving members of the Benoit family and the city of Edmonton, World Wrestling Entertainment® has postponed its Canadian tour scheduled from July 14-17. These dates include shows scheduled at the Credit Union Centre in Saskatoon, the Brandt Centre in Regina, the Pengrowth Saddledome in Calgary and the Rexall Place in Edmonton. Please check WWE.com and WWE programming in the near future for further information on the rescheduled events.
WWE's UK DVD distributor, Silvervision, has removed the Chris Benoit: Hard Knocks DVD from their website.
ToysRUs.com has pulled all Chris Benoit action figures from their website.
WWE.com has pulled the "I Did It" Mr. McMahon shirt from their website.
TNAwrestling.com has pulled the note of condolence about Chris Benoit that they had put up on Monday.
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Bret Hart was interviewed by Global News in Canada on the death of Chris Benoit earlier today. He spoke on the chances of steroids being the cause of the incident, but says that he will wait for confirmation on the stories before saying anything about it. He says that he can't imagine Chris doing the things that they are saying on the news.
He also speaks on the deaths of Owen and Eddie Guerrero, saying that this might be even more tragic for wrestling fans than the death of his brother Owen. The video is now online and you can see it by clicking here
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On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show.
WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday.
WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him.
Early Sunday morning, between 3:51 and 3:58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages to co-workers:
Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”
Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"
Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Throughout the day on Sunday, WWE made numerous attempts to contact Benoit both at home and at local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 p.m., WWE officials were unable to establish contact with Chris Benoit.
At 12:30 p.m. on Monday, June 25, WWE officials were notified of the text messages sent to the co-workers the previous day. By 12:45 p.m., WWE had contacted Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office requesting they check on the Benoit family.
Fayetteville County Sheriffs office made contact with WWE at approximately 4:00 p.m. advising that they had entered the house of Chris Benoit and found three deceased bodies – an adult male, adult female and a male child. WWE was told that Benoit’s home was now considered a major crime scene.
The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE choose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.
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The following message from Vince McMahon aired at the beginning of tonight's ECW on Sci Fi:
Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world--entertain you.
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The Albany, New York District Attorney's Office said Tuesday that Chris Benoit was a customer of south Florida company MedXLife, which has been implicated in a probe of illegal steroid sales.
Benoit, who apparently killed his wife and son before taking his own life over the weekend, was reportedly a client of the company as recently as last year. Anabolic steroids, apparently with valid prescriptions, were discovered in the home of the deceased.
Earlier this year, two of the MedXLife co-owners admitted to assisting customers in obtaining prescription drugs without medical needs.
According to the pair, Signature Pharmacy of Orlando filled orders for the clients.
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District Attorney Scott Ballard was interviewed on the Fox News channel and stated that a cable was found around the neck on Nancy Benoit. He said Daniel was found face down on his bed, also strangled.
Ballard said in the weight room in the basement, Benoit wrapped a cable from a weight machine around his neck. He first wrapped a cloth around his neck. When Benoit let the cable go, the weights lifted up and straggled him.
TMZ.com has posted the court documents of Nancy Benoit's 2003 request for a restraining order against Chris Benoit as well as custody of Daniel Benoit. Here is the link: http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0626_benoit_dismiss.pdf
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A professional wrestler who killed himself and his family was a former customer of a company implicated in an upstate New York investigation of illegal steroid sales. That's according to the Albany County District Attorney's Office, which is conducting the investigation here. Authorities in Fayetteville, Georgia, say today that Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son before hanging himself over the weekend. Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscular man was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage." In Albany, the DA's office confirms the 40-year-old Benoit was a customer as recently as last year of the south Florida company MedXLife. 2 of its co-owners pleaded guilty to drug charges in Albany County in April, admitting they helped get prescriptions drugs in 2006 for customers in upstate New York who had no medical need for them. The pair testified Signature Pharmacy of Orlando filled the orders. MedXLife, no longer taking orders, attracted customers through its Web site
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ABC News has an article up titled Talking To Kids About Chris Benoit after child psychologists said that Chris Benoit's violent end could have profound effects on his youngest fans. You can read the story here http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3318243&page=1
MyFoxAtlanta.com has video coverage of the investigation now online. You can view it atthis link
We can expect WWE to undergo another big round of Wellness Policy tests in the near future to clear their name of what, if any, role steroids played in the Benoit tragedy.
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Below is a detailed WWE/Chris Benoit timeline from Saturday to Monday:
Saturday, June 23, 2007
Chris Benoit was scheduled to appear at the WWE Smackdown/ ECW live event in Beaumont, Texas
3:30pm
A co-worker received a voice message from Benoit. The message from Benoit stated he missed his flight and over slept and would be late to the WWE Live Event. The co-worker called Benoit back, Benoit confirmed everything he said in his voice message and sounded tired and groggy. Benoit then stated, “I love you”. The co-worker stated that it was “out of context.”
3:42pm
The same co-worker was concerned with Benoit’s tone and demeanor and called Benoit for a second time. Benoit did not answer the call and the co-worker left a message stating “just call me back.”
3:44pm
Benoit called the co-worker back stating he didn’t answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta changing his flight. Benoit stated he had a real stressful day due to Nancy and Daniel being sick with food poisoning. They discussed travel plans for the WWE Tour of Texas with Benoit still sounding groggy at this point according to the co-worker.
4:30pm
A co-worker who consistently travels with Benoit, called Benoit from outside Houston airport and Benoit answered. Benoit told the co-worker that Nancy was throwing up blood and that Daniel was also throwing up. Benoit thought they had food poisoning. Benoit stated he changed his flight and he would be arriving into Houston at 6:30pm. Benoit told the co-worker to drive onto the WWE event.
5:35pm
Benoit called WWE Talent Relations stating that his son was throwing up and that he and Nancy were in the hospital with their son, and that Benoit would be taking a later flight into Houston, landing late, but would make the WWE live event in Beaumont.
6:10pm
A representative of Talent Relations called Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations asked Benoit what time Benoit was getting into Beaumont. Benoit responded he was leaving Atlanta at 9:20pm Eastern time arriving into Houston at 9:24pm Central time. The representative from Talent Relations advised Benoit that it would be too late to make the WWE live event in Beaumont. Benoit apologized citing he had a family emergency. The representative from Talent Relations suggested to Benoit that instead of going to the WWE live event in Beaumont, Benoit should take the flight to Houston, rest up and be ready for the Vengeance Pay-Per-View event.
6:13pm
The representative from Talent Relations called Benoit to reconfirm the travel plans with no answer from Benoit. The representative from Talent Relations left a voice message to take the flight and rest up.
Sunday, June 24, 2007
Text messages sent to co-workers from Chris Benoit and Nancy Benoit’s cell phones:
Text Message 1
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am from
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
Text Message 2
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:53am
Message: The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open
Text Message 3
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:54am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
Text Message 4
Sent to: Two Co-Workers (the same who had verbal correspondence with Benoit the day before)
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:55am
Message: C, S. My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
Text Message 5
Sent to: A Co-Worker who consistently traveled with Benoit
From: Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
When: 6/24 at 3:58am
Message: My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215
WWE made several attempts to contact Benoit via phone and text messages, as well as, the local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 pm Sunday night there was no contact made with Benoit.
Monday, June 25, 2007
12:30pm
WWE was notified of text messages sent to the two co-workers.
12:45pm
WWE contacted the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office and requested them to go to Benoit’s
residence
4:00pm
WWE received a call from the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office, advising that they entered
the house of Benoit and found 3 deceased bodies (a male, a female and a child). The Fayetteville Sheriff’s office has secured the house as a “major crime scene” and that the Fayetteville County Sheriff’s Office had no further information.
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Canadian female Pam Winthrope told News 1130 in Canada that Chris Benoit's son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome.
According to WebMD, "Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder."
Winthrope, whose son also suffers from the condition, told the Canadian news outlet that her husband reached out to Benoit five years ago in an attempt to increase awareness about Fragile X.
She told News 1130, "We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn't want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet."
Winthrope noted that the lack of support for those affected by the disorder can tear families apart. Nonetheless, "she couldn't believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son," wrote News 1130.
This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition.
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I would just like to say anyone who thinks this is normal chris nature go on to you tube type in:
"remembers Chris Benoit" and what the videos made by the people that spent everyday with him.
Triple H's and Edges very touching!
What pisses me off is now its Chris Benoit the murderer no one remembers the amazing legacy in the ring he left
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No-one remembers what a good painter and decorator Hitler was either.
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What gets me all the people slagging him off (which yer is called for) don't know what he did for the wrestling business
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As bobcat said before i think wrestling probs three main families
Harts
McMahons
Guerrero's
Chris was the link between the Harts and Guerreros and also the McMahons you can see Vince can't believe what's happened when he read the statement about the tribute show that that wasn't the man he knew.
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The wrestling ain't for real! How can someone be one of the best in a completely acted out scenario?
Because to do the moves which are planned takes a lot of skill!
So it's akin to Ice Skating or Ballroom Dancing?
The BBC should do a Strictly Come Wrestling.
How Do You Solve A Problem Like The Undertaker?
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I presume that the people who like wrestling on this thread are under 12 years of age?
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I presume that the people who like wrestling on this thread are under 12 years of age?
Why does everyone have that view on wrestling. I doubt not one of you could do what they do! Not one (and don't do any lame "kill your wife/kid" pun)
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The wrestling ain't for real! How can someone be one of the best in a completely acted out scenario?
Because to do the moves which are planned takes a lot of skill!
So it's akin to Ice Skating or Ballroom Dancing?
The BBC should do a Strictly Come Wrestling.
It's been done, it was called "tough enough" i think.
It showed how hard you have to train and committed you have to be to wrestle professionally (touring, pressure to find a new gimmic/storyline). I think if you call it fake it's like watching a play/movie saying it was good and someone saying "but it was fake" "...yes, genius ! i know that..."
But of course all that is something you can't comprehend/take on board, wonder why that is !
Are you for real?
It's long haired, semi-naked blokes pumped full of steroids rolling around on the floor and pretending to be hurt. It might take a lot of training but then so does ballet and I can't stand that either.
So you lot can't stand wrestling - why are you forcing your opinions on people who do like it and want to talk about what happened ?!?
Nothing better to do then comment on something you aren't interested in...
Says a lot.
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I presume that the people who like wrestling on this thread are under 12 years of age?
More small minded stupidity !
Well done...
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It's long haired, semi-naked blokes pumped full of steroids rolling around on the floor and pretending to be hurt. It might take a lot of training but then so does ballet and I can't stand that either.
Of course it is..
No skill at all...
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Should link the "Canadian Destroyer" move to show how talented these performers are!
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It's not a sport though is it?
Yes it's highly skilled, yes they are doing stuff that none of us could ever dream of being able to do and yes I suppose it's very entertaining if you are into muscled, sweaty men hugging but it's not a sport.
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So you lot can't stand wrestling - why are you forcing your opinions on people who do like it and want to talk about what happened ?!?
I don't think you've quite got to grips with the concept of a discussion board have you?
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It's not a sport though is it?
Yes it's highly skilled, yes they are doing stuff that none of us could ever dream of being able to do and yes I suppose it's very entertaining if you are into muscled, sweaty men hugging but it's not a sport.
To be fair Dave I think the WWE announced years ago that it was ceasing to sell the 'it's real' concept and rebranded themselves as Sports Entertainment. This had something to do with a tax they were being forced to pay in some States that was essentially a tax on live sporting events - this helped them get round that law.
It is just that entertainment. I like it because it takes me away from reality and genuinely makes me laugh for a couple of hours a week before having to look outside again to see it pissing down.
As for Benoit - what a shock. If there was one wrestler who you wouldn't associate with such a horrific scene it was him.
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Kaali gonna stomp a mud hole in you are arse. Anyone see McMahon that thing he done ta uundertaker at smashdown? Kalli gonna make him his pussy in vegas. the Hart Foundation out for blood next time he cheek his white butt. Bring it on dat mutha!!
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Kaali gonna stomp a mud hole in you are arse. Anyone see McMahon that thing he done ta uundertaker at smashdown? Kalli gonna make him his pussy in vegas. the Hart Foundation out for blood next time he cheek his white butt. Bring it on dat mutha!!
Gonna stomp a mud hole in him and walk it dry.
Gonna treat him like a government mule in an undoubted slobberknocker.
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Quote:
Benoit was extremely popular with older fans, he was to the WWE what Paul McGrath is to Villa fans
You must be joking.
McGrath was a complete one off as a player and a person, whereas wrestlers are as replaceable as actors in a soap. Their 'skills' are interchangeable and are performed by most 6 year olds in their living room.
I can't imagine the state of you when Mike Baldwin pegged it.
Benoit was a one off as well, he trained with the Hart family and the Guererros and was the only proper wrestler left in the WWE. He will never be replaced the same as Owen Hart or Eddie couldn't be.
I no Bobcat and the thing which is even worse is he will not get his place in the HOF where he belongs!
Yes, that's obviously the worst thing to come out of this story.
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Kaali gonna stomp a mud hole in you are arse.
Have we moved onto euphemisms for gay sex now?
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Kaali gonna stomp a mud hole in you are arse.
Have we moved onto euphemisms for gay sex now?
Surely a game (it's not a sport) that involves heavily oiled beefcakes in costumes and tight fitting pants grappling with each other can in no way be linked with anything remotely 'gay'?
Shame on you Dave.
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I presume that the people who like wrestling on this thread are under 12 years of age?
Why does everyone have that view on wrestling. I doubt not one of you could do what they do! Not one (and don't do any lame "kill your wife/kid" pun)
I couldn't do 6 weeks over xmas in Panto either, what does that prove? I'm too tall to play a dwarf so i guess it proves i'm too tall to be a dwarf.
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I find wrestling a bit sad, but if people enjoy it as entertainment, like watching theatre, then fine.
But please don't describe it as a sport and feature it on Sky sports News.
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It's not real!!
YOU WHAT ?!!!
FCUKING LIAR !!
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I presume that the people who like wrestling on this thread are under 12 years of age?
Why does everyone have that view on wrestling. I doubt not one of you could do what they do! Not one (and don't do any lame "kill your wife/kid" pun)
It's not real saddo!
Did you wear a black armband when Blue Blazer snuffed it?
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wrestling is fucking silly.
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wrestling is fucking silly.
Amen.
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So you lot can't stand wrestling - why are you forcing your opinions on people who do like it and want to talk about what happened ?!?
I don't think you've quite got to grips with the concept of a discussion board have you?
Yes, i am here to talk about Chris Benoit's death - which is the title/point of it. You are using this thread to patronise people who enjoy this form of entertainment because you think it's fake....
You don't like it, fair enough. Other ppl want to discuss what happened, not your "it's fake" debate...
If you think it's fake watch the link i posted above, it's a highly skilled form of entertainment...
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It's not a sport though is it?
Yes it's highly skilled, yes they are doing stuff that none of us could ever dream of being able to do and yes I suppose it's very entertaining if you are into muscled, sweaty men hugging but it's not a sport.
If Darts or Snooker is a sport, then yes it is !
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It's not a sport though is it?
Yes it's highly skilled, yes they are doing stuff that none of us could ever dream of being able to do and yes I suppose it's very entertaining if you are into muscled, sweaty men hugging but it's not a sport.
If Darts or Snooker is a sport, then yes it is !
It's panto.
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If you think it's fake watch the link i posted above.
Can you bet on a wrestling match?
I think that answers if it's fake or not.
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It's not real saddo!
#-o
It's premeditated, it's also very real...
...unless it's a figment of my imagination - but it seems SKY pay a lot of money for something that doesn't exist if what you say is true !
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but it seems SKY pay a lot of money for something that doesn't exist if what you say is true !
SKY would pay over the odds and televise the annual fart lighting finals.
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If you think it's fake watch the link i posted above.
Can you bet on a wrestling match?
I think that answers if it's fake or not.
You can't bet on individual matches but bookies will take bets on who is the champion at a certain date, usually the end of the year.
As someone who spent a fair bit of time in the ring, we always used to say "it's not fake, it's fixed"
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So you lot can't stand wrestling - why are you forcing your opinions on people who do like it and want to talk about what happened ?!?
I don't think you've quite got to grips with the concept of a discussion board have you?
Yes, i am here to talk about Chris Benoit's death - which is the title/point of it. You are using this thread to patronise people who enjoy this form of entertainment because you think it's fake....
You don't like it, fair enough. Other ppl want to discuss what happened, not your "it's fake" debate...
If you think it's fake watch the link i posted above, it's a highly skilled form of entertainment...
Why on earth would I want to watch a link to something that I don't like?.
It's not a 'debate' about wheter or not is fake, that's beyond question. The debate is why on earth would a grown man want to spend time and money watching it. I really don't get it?
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Rumours that he'll be 'fighting' with the Undertaker next week are unconfirmed.
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Rumours that he'll be 'fighting' with the Undertaker next week are unconfirmed.
i heard the undertaker will take him down very soon
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Rumours that he'll be 'fighting' with the Undertaker next week are unconfirmed.
i heard the undertaker will take him down very soon
He'll bury him.
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Reports now starting to appear that they're going to examine Benoit for signs of brain damage for injuries etc. Also they've raided the office of his personal doctor.
Still totally gutted about Benoit, the storylines have all been thrown out the window and there's no proper wrestlers to watch now. The sooner Davey Boy Smiths son qualifies from the Hart dungeon the better.
At least HHH and Rey Mysterio will be back soon. ECW is pretty fucked now without a star. I don't think CM Punk is ready to carry the show yet.
They've cancelled the shows in Canada for mid-July to have them in Texas to replace Mondays cancelled show. Looking forward to RAW at the NIA still though.
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The expression 'help me' has never been so apt.
You've got to worry....
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It's not a sport though is it?
Yes it's highly skilled, yes they are doing stuff that none of us could ever dream of being able to do and yes I suppose it's very entertaining if you are into muscled, sweaty men hugging but it's not a sport.
If Darts or Snooker is a sport, then yes it is !
It's panto.
I was going to say oh no it's not. But it's certainly a case of OH YES IT IS.
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It's not a sport though is it?
Yes it's highly skilled, yes they are doing stuff that none of us could ever dream of being able to do and yes I suppose it's very entertaining if you are into muscled, sweaty men hugging but it's not a sport.
If Darts or Snooker is a sport, then yes it is !
Neither are my cup of tea but in both of those sports the outcome isn't decided by whoever wrote the script.
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It's not a sport though is it?
Yes it's highly skilled, yes they are doing stuff that none of us could ever dream of being able to do and yes I suppose it's very entertaining if you are into muscled, sweaty men hugging but it's not a sport.
If Darts or Snooker is a sport, then yes it is !
Neither are my cup of tea but in both of those sports the outcome isn't decided by whoever wrote the script.
Nail on the head there, Dave.
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So you lot can't stand wrestling - why are you forcing your opinions on people who do like it and want to talk about what happened ?!?
I don't think you've quite got to grips with the concept of a discussion board have you?
Yes, i am here to talk about Chris Benoit's death - which is the title/point of it. You are using this thread to patronise people who enjoy this form of entertainment because you think it's fake....
You don't like it, fair enough. Other ppl want to discuss what happened, not your "it's fake" debate...
If you think it's fake watch the link i posted above, it's a highly skilled form of entertainment...
Why on earth would I want to watch a link to something that I don't like?.
It's not a 'debate' about wheter or not is fake, that's beyond question. The debate is why on earth would a grown man want to spend time and money watching it. I really don't get it?
It's your choice not to like it. The point is some people do appreciate the skill it involves.
I am sure some people wonder why you pay good money to watch 22 men kicking a leather ball around a park for 90 minutes. It's your personal choice.
If you don't want a link to something you don't like (...because it proves you wrong), then why do you want to discuss something you don't like ?!?!
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The results are fixed. The blood, the falls, the leaps and the athleticism are all real. That provides a spectacle and people will want to watch a spectacle. I've only followed it on and off throughout my life but wouldn't poo poo those who are keen on it. It has an appeal. Most of the stuff we watch on telly is scripted but it doesn't mean it isn't entertaining. Nobody is trying to say wrestling is a true 'sport'.
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Bobcat thinks this bloke was akin to Paul McGrath.
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If you think it's fake watch the link i posted above.
Can you bet on a wrestling match?
I think that answers if it's fake or not.
fake [fayk]
n (plural fakes)
1. something not genuine: somebody who or something that is not genuine but is presented as, or appears to be, genuine
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
It's called sports entertainment. Some people enjoy the storylines.
Just because it is premeditated (like plays, pantos, films, soaps and most forms of entertainment) doesn't mean it is fake.
Fake implies they are telling you it is real violence, when infact there are clear warnings in the programmes that tell you it is not...
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Of course it's bloody fake, the moves aren't real.
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Of course it's bloody fake, the moves aren't real.
So they are hologrammed are they? How does a man fake a back flip or pretend to throw himself off a twenty foot cage for example?
OK, they don't punch each other clean in the gob but the blood is real, see if you can get to see the film "Beyond The Mat" or read Mick Foley's autobiography.
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I am sure some people wonder why you pay good money to watch 22 men kicking a leather ball around a park for 90 minutes. It's your personal choice.
Good point. Most of what humans do for fun is pretty abritrary when you really think about it. Strokes for folks and all that.
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Of course it's bloody fake, the moves aren't real.
Your arguement doesn't stand up mate. How can this not be real ?!?!
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Joe vs Necro 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFHDkLBABQ4&mode=related&search=) has always been one of my favourite matches of recent time, its like watching a NASCAR car crash highlight reel.
I also liked Daniels vs Styles vs Joe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOXoWnnnAL0) as well.
And of course Joe vs Kobashi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EThaSCs11Q).
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Of course it's bloody fake, the moves aren't real.
Your arguement doesn't stand up mate. How can this not be real ?!?!
It is fake in the sense that all the 'moves' are pre-agreed, the other bloke allows it to happen, the result is decided by storyline, the moves don't cause injury etc.
How can you buy into something, and genuinely enjoy it, when you know that the whole thing is a glorified bit of choreography.
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I've no problem with Wrestling as long as its accepted that its just a form of entertainment (basically a violent soap opera akin to The Sopranos) not sport.
My problem is that wrestling is shown on TV sports channels. Sky need to stop promoting and showing the events on their sports channels and move the coverage to Sky One, Two or Three.
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How can you buy into something, and genuinely enjoy it, when you know that the whole thing is a glorified bit of choreography.
I quite enjoy going to the theatre. Gigs as well can be enjoyable.
Hell, even a bit of (whisper it) choreographed dance.
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I've no problem with Wrestling as long as its accepted that its just a form of entertainment (basically a violent soap opera akin to The Sopranos) not sport.
My problem is that wrestling is shown on TV sports channels. Sky need to stop promoting and showing the events on their sports channels and move the coverage to Sky One, Two or Three.
Its on the sports channels for one reason only, Sky make more money from the extra subscriptions to the sports channels from wrestling fans. Sky sports is an extra Ł19 a month over the Sky "entertainment" channels.
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This could be a test of integrity to see if these deaths get incorporated into a storyline. On past performance it wouldn't surprise me.
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The deaths obviously haven't been incorporated into the storyline. All storylines have been suspended and any reference to Benoit banned. Could you imagine Coronation street scrubbing 3 months of storylines to show highlights instead if it was one of their stars that snapped.
OIT Benoit was the adult fans favourite, the online wrestling communities favourite and very much an equal to the regard and affection affection the fans held for him as Paul McGrath. You clearly don't know waht you're talking about on this subject.
Fans are trying to grieve the loss of an idol whilst atthe same time come to terms with the fact he did something so so monsterous. People taking the piss at the mo are just being dickheads IMO.
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I mentioned it only because in the past the WWF has used the deaths of both Brian Pilman and Eddie Guerrero as part of their show.
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Thanks, but the dickhead is the one that murdered his family, and what of those that still support him? Get real, it's garbage for kids!
I guess you have no interests that are part escapism and slightly juvenile - i.e. star wars fan or something along those lines...
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Any update on the phoney double homicidal maniac?
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From the NZ Herald:
Drug agents have raided the office of wrestling star Chris Benoit's physician, according to a report by People magazine.
WWE superstar Chris Benoit killed his wife and his seven year old son over the weekend and then killed himself.
Prescription medicines were found in the house, and according to Atlanta's Fox 5 news investigators said Dr. Phil Astin's name was on prescription bottles.
"There's definitely a nexus between the death investigation and the steroids that were given to Mr. Benoit," Special Agent Chuvalo Truesdell told People.
Drug Enforcement Administration agents spent around four hours on the premises on Wednesday night, examining records and removing documents, Truesdell said to People.
"The doctor is a person of interest to us at this stage," Capt. Mike Pruitt, commander of the Fayette County Sheriff's Office drug task force, told People.
Astin told the Associated Press on Wednesday he had been treating Benoit for low testosterone levels which were probably a result of previous steroid use.
WWE said in a statement Benoit passed a random drug test in April.
"The last test that Chris Benoit took of a random nature was in April which he was totally negative," WWE Chairman Vince McMahon said on NBC's Today morning program. "That doesn't mean that he wasn't taking prescription medication and perhaps even steroids when this happened. We don't know."
Meanwhile, McMahon has called Benoit a "monster" in his interview on the Today show.
McMahon said Benoit was known as "a mild-mannered individual. ... There was no way of telling this man was a monster."
"Steroids may or may not have had anything to do with this, it's all speculation until the toxicology reports come back" McMahon said.
The murder-suicide is said to have happened over Friday- Saturday in the Benoit's suburban Atlanta home. The bodies were found on Monday.
Benoit reportedly cancelled two wrestling events over the weekend due to a family "emergency."
He also sent "curious text messages" to some of his friends, according to a statement, which pressed authorities to check on the family.
Police are still searching for a motive behind the tragedy and toxicology results should be back in a few weeks
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Any update on the phoney double homicidal maniac?
The guy that wrote that Chris Benoit's wife was dead on wikipedia 14 hours before the police discovered the bodies said it was just a lucky guess and he had no inside information.
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From the NZ Herald:
Prescription medicines were found in the house, and according to Atlanta's Fox 5 news investigators said Dr. Phil Astin's name was on prescription bottles.
You're asking for trouble if your doctor is Dr. Phil.
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From the wikipedia bloke that is probably currently shitting himself:
"... Hey everyone. I am here to talk about the wikipedia comment that was left by myself. I just want to say that it was an incredible coincidence. Last weekend, I had heard about Chris Benoit no showing Vengeance because of a family emergency, and I had heard rumors about why that was. I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence. I posted my speculation on the situation at the time and I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life. It is one of those things that just turned into a huge coincidence. That night I found out that what I posted, ended up actually happening, a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening, or so I thought. I was beyond wrong for posting wrongful information, and I am sorry to everyone for this. I just want everyone to know it was stupid of me, and I will never do anything like this again. I just posted something that was at that time a piece of wrong unsourced information that is typical on wikipedia, as it is done all the time.
Nonetheless, I feel incredibly bad for all the attention this got because of the fact that what I said turned out to be the truth. Like I said it was just a major coincidence, and I will never vandalize anything on wikipedia or post wrongful information. I've learned from this experience. I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it.
I wish not to reveal my identity so I can keep me and my family out of this since they have nothing to do with anything. I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in anyway. I am from Stamford as the IP address shows, and I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen. I will say again I didn't know anything about the Benoit tragedy, it was a terrible coincidence that I never saw coming.
I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered. It was just a rumor that I had heard about from other people online who were speculating what the family emergency Chris was attending to. I made a big mistake by posting this comment on his page, since all we had were what we thought was going on and nothing about what actually was going on yet, and sadly what happened turned out to be my speculation at the time. I assumed wiki would edit out my information, which they did, so thats why I didn't go back to edit it out myself.
I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened."
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Where's that from Legion?
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The Dark Side....
Link:
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=185140587
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Cheers. PS I am not 10.
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Neither am I....
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Thanks, but the dickhead is the one that murdered his family, and what of those that still support him? Get real, it's garbage for kids!
I guess you have no interests that are part escapism and slightly juvenile - i.e. star wars fan or something along those lines...
Er - no!
Yeah sure, you don't play computer games or watch stupid television programmes that provide vicarious enjoyment which holds no meaning to your own life/reality.
Everyone does it, most have the balls to admit to it though...
But you're perfect aren't you...
:smt002
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I am 25, and definitely not a kid. I enjoy watching wrestling from time to time. Despite the scripting it creates the basics, blokes beating up other blokes with story lines making you back one or the other, then the excitement of the one you route for winning or losing. If it were garbage for kids the industry would not be worth half the money it is today.
Benoit, as I said early on in the thread before all this happened was my favourite wrestler. He has committed a horrific crime, and taken his own life. Without knowing the reasons behind it and what went on though, I find it hard to condemn him to eternity in hell. I would imagine he has already done that to himself in his mind before killing himself.
Great wrestler.
Pushed the envelope on what people put themselves through for the sport.
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Calm down dear, it's just a wrestle!
Perhaps seeing that advert is what made Benoit snap?
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Thanks, but the dickhead is the one that murdered his family, and what of those that still support him? Get real, it's garbage for kids!
I guess you have no interests that are part escapism and slightly juvenile - i.e. star wars fan or something along those lines...
Er - no!
Yeah sure, you don't play computer games or watch stupid television programmes that provide vicarious enjoyment which holds no meaning to your own life/reality.
Everyone does it, most have the balls to admit to it though...
But you're perfect aren't you...
:smt002
No, I used to play Champ Manager, I'll give you that, but certainly not stupid telly programmes. Not everyone does it, and no I'm certainly not perfect.
Calm down dear, it's just a wrestle!
As i said before....
:smt002
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This just beggars belief:
http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/benoitmurdered.htm
Welcome to the Official World Wide Website of Johnny Lee Clary // Former National Leader Of The Ku Klux Klan & Champion Pro-Wrestler // Now Renowned Civil Rights Leader and Internationally acclaimed Communicator, Motivational Speaker & Evangelist.
"Manna from Heaven in 2007"
Did Kevin Sullivan Murder Chris Benoit and His Family?
By Johnny Angel
(Former Pro Wrestling Champion)
Now known as Rev. Johnny Lee Clary
World-Wide Evangelist
Kevin Sullivan
(Is he the real killer of Benoit and his family?)
The late Chris Benoit and his wife Nancy
The tragic deaths of Chris Benoit and his wife Nancy and son Daniel have shocked the wrestling world. The police are calling it a double-murder-suicide, but is it really? Let’s look at some facts. It has been 10 years exactly since Nancy divorced Kevin Sullivan to marry Chris Benoit. In the 1980’s Sullivan, along with his then-wife Nancy, were running a gimmick in wrestling of how they were Satanists, and Nancy was known as “The Fallen Angel.” She later became known as “Woman.” The trouble with the Satanists gimmick was it was for real, and was not a work, or fake. In the 1990’s Kevin Sullivan was the booker for WCW, and he scripted his wife Nancy into having an affair with Chris Benoit who was a member of the Four Horsemen. This made for a good angle, except, the acting became reality as Chris and Nancy actually fell in love and Nancy divorced Sullivan to marry Benoit.
Benoit left the WCW to go to work for the WWE which was then known as the WWF. It is a fact that Sullivan threatened Benoit and told him he would kill him. Yes, that was 10 years ago, but Kevin Sullivan is no dummy. He is known for being a calculating, cold-hearted individual. Today, according to a source close to me, Kevin Sullivan is a high ranking member of the Satanic Church. The police need to consider the possibility that Sullivan carried out these gruesome murders in order to have his revenge, which is what Satanists live for. He could have entered the home, with an accomplice or accomplices and held the Benoit’s at gunpoint, Sullivan could have then bound up Nancy, and made Benoit and his son watch as he strangled the life out of her. Then the next day after making Benoit and his son spend the day in agony, murdered Benoit’s little boy because of his hatred for the offspring of Benoit and Nancy. Then he could have made Benoit wait an entire day before killing him to by hanging him in the basement.
By doing this, not only would Kevin Sullivan have lived out his Satanic Church creed with his lust for revenge, but he would have destroyed Chris Benoit’s reputation which is what has happened now as the wrestling world is attacking the memory of Chris Benoit remembering him as an insane baby killer and wife killer instead of the great World Champion wrestler and friend that he was.
Satanists hate the Bible and the police have stated that a Bible was found next to the bodies of Benoit’s wife and son. This would serve as a bizarre calling card as if to either say “What good did your Bible do you?” or to throw off investigators to keep them from suspecting Sullivan and his Satanists would have been involved.
Another thing to note is the fact that Kevin Sullivan was also associated with Sherri Martel, who died just a few days before the bodies of Chris Benoit, and his family was found, and the full details of Martell’s death have not been made known as of the time of this writing.
I wonder why the police have not even considered investigating the possibility the Kevin Sullivan killed Benoit, Nancy, and their child. It is certainly a possibility worth looking in to.
Also, Benoit was going to be crowned ECW World Champion on Sunday night. Why would he murder his family and kill himself when he was going to be on top again and make lots more money?
Why would he tie his wife up before killing her? He would have no reason to, but Kevin Sullivan sure would!
Sure he had some problems with Nancy, but that was 4 years ago and what married couple doesn’t have problems? Remember also that they reconciled and as far as everyone knows there has been no other incidents reported.
One also needs to consider the fact that Benoit loved his kids and was so proud of his son that was killed. His kids wore suits and ties to his wrestling events and was proud of their dad. He was loved and respected by all those who knew him.
In my opinion, there is no way he would have murdered his family. This whole murder case has Satanists written all over it and Sullivan is a Satanist and has the motive to murder them.
I am encouraging anyone who reads this to send this to police authorities and circulate it on the internet, so these facts can be investigated, before the case is closed and Benoit is written off in history a murderer. If Sullivan is the real killer, justice should be served!
As a former Pro Wrestler myself, now a born again Christian and world wide evangelist, I am hoping and praying for justice no matter who is responsible.
Rev. Johnny Lee Clary
www.johnnyleeclary.com
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It is hard to see why Benoit would kill his son.
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Earlier in this thread, I posted a 'theory' from somewhere that his wife (Nancy) killed his son so he killed his wife when he found out then hung himself (through grief?).
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It's weird that this twat is getting a more sympathetic reception than the McCann's did on this site.
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It's weird that this twat is getting a more sympathetic reception than the McCann's did on this site.
Not necessarily, imo. It's 2 different cases, like comparing apples and oranges. One possible interpretation [eg, mine ;)], by killing himself, in a roundabout way, he has at least admitted his guilt - which the McCanns haven't, they've glossed over/rewritten history concerning their lack of parental responsibility.
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Asphyxiation is a crime of passion. Are you really going to believe a fomer leader of the KKK that someone stayed in someone's house for over 48 hours, slowly killing 3 people off one by one? There would be a significant possibility that someone could call by and raise an alarm. Then there would be the forensics - finger prints, hairs etc. Assuming that the police do their jobs properly (and this is a high profile case), do you know how difficult it is to murder and make it look like a double homicide and suicide.
Given the KKK connections it wouldn't surprise me if this Kevin Sullivan was black. Face facts, Benoit killed his family and then committed suicide. This sounds like someone who was a big fan of Benoit and is in so much denial that they've found someone to put the blame onto.
If your looking to make sense out of madness, a plausible explanation would be that Benoit suffered from clinical depression, wanted to commit suicide but didn't want to leave his family or cause them lasting pain. To any sane person this sounds crazy but these can be the thoughts of someone who has lost sense of reality.
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It's weird that this twat is getting a more sympathetic reception than the McCann's did on this site.
Not necessarily, imo. It's 2 different cases, like comparing apples and oranges. One possible interpretation [eg, mine ;)], by killing himself, in a roundabout way, he has at least admitted his guilt - which the McCanns haven't, they've glossed over/rewritten history concerning their lack of parental responsibility.
You're right they are different cases. One of them is allegedly guilty of a double murder and one of them is allegedly guilty of negligence. It seems negligence is therefore a more heinous crime than murder, what a fucked up world some people inhabit.
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It's weird that this twat is getting a more sympathetic reception than the McCann's did on this site.
Not necessarily, imo. It's 2 different cases, like comparing apples and oranges. One possible interpretation [eg, mine ;)], by killing himself, in a roundabout way, he has at least admitted his guilt - which the McCanns haven't, they've glossed over/rewritten history concerning their lack of parental responsibility.
I think your 'interpretation' only highlights your warped state of mind as opposed to anyone else's.
So a man kills his wife and son in a horrific killing and you still somehow get the line 'atleast he admitted his guilt' in there as oppossed to the McCanns.
There has been plenty of McCann baiting going on here the last few weeks (largely to no one's credit that's why I've not read anymore) but this is stretching any logic to breaking point.
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It's weird that this twat is getting a more sympathetic reception than the McCann's did on this site.
Not necessarily, imo. It's 2 different cases, like comparing apples and oranges. One possible interpretation [eg, mine ;)], by killing himself, in a roundabout way, he has at least admitted his guilt - which the McCanns haven't, they've glossed over/rewritten history concerning their lack of parental responsibility.
You're right they are different cases. One of them is allegedly guilty of a double murder and one of them is allegedly guilty of negligence. It seems negligence is therefore a more heinous crime than murder, what a fucked up world some people inhabit.
You're right Chris. I will defend professional wrestling as a form of entertainment against the "it's fake" debate (Lets not start it again !).
But there is no defence for what Benoit has done...
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I think your 'interpretation' only highlights your warped state of mind as opposed to anyone else's.
I'm relatively pleased you clarified your posting with the words 'I think'. I think too, obviously differently to you. This is a discussion board, people have different opinions.
Continuing the thinking theme, I think I'm relatively flattered to be diagnosed as 'warped' by someone on an internet message board. To summarise, based on someone having an opinion not in agreement with yours, you are able to make a rational diagnosis of that person's state of mind [not unlike those of us making judgements based on no personal knowledge of this case, merely on the spin the media has elected to publicise the case]?
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It is hard to see why Benoit would kill his son.
Maybe he told his daddy that he was a big whoopsie for wearing tights on TV.
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If it was a wrestler who did the killings it would take 3 days. Probably climbed up the curtains and jumped of the top onto his wife and kid landing with his forearm just about touching their heads.
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Right now i am probs going to get stick for this but i respect the WRESTLER Chris Benoit! I don't the man that killed his wife and kid but as a wrestler he was one of the best as a man not one of the best! Think Paul McGrath on the pitch GOD off it didn't know what to do he didn't go as far as Benoit but its the same!
RIP Nancy and Daniel
and rest in Peace Chris Benoit!
On a side note WWE have removed every mention part from the main headline of Chris and as said by OCD looks like one of the greatest won't have a place in the Hall Of Fame where he belongs!
A sad day for wrestling
You are allowed to remember Chris Benoit as a skilled performer. You don't have to think of him with hatred, whatever disgusting acts he carried out at the end of his life.
However (and some Chris Benoit fans are missing this), there is no escaping his responsibility for the death of his wife and child. Ultimately he chose to murder them. The impact of drugs given the timescale and methods of the attacks indicate at best minimal influence, and regardless of this it was his choice to take drugs. Roid rage may have played a part, but if it had, it's unlikely to be the first time he's encountered it.
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Briefly heard something on the news on radio 1 about new evidence coming to light on the internet which doesn't fit it with the investigation. Didn't catch what it was maybe a video or something. Any one hear this?
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Briefly heard something on the news on radio 1 about new evidence coming to light on the internet which doesn't fit it with the investigation. Didn't catch what it was maybe a video or something. Any one hear this?
Anything like this?
Benoit wrestle hold killed son
WRESTLER Chris Benoit murdered his seven-year-old son with his WWE finishing move, police have said.
Cops in Georgia are speculating that Benoit, 40, ended Daniel's life with a version of the Crippler Crossface hold the morning after strangling his wife Nancy, 43, to death. Later that day Benoit committed suicide.
The Crippler Crossface was a move Benoit used in almost all his wrestling matches, including when he beat Triple H for the heavyweight title at WrestleMania XX.
Police were originally confused by bruising on the young lad that wouldn't have been there had he been strangled.
Then an officer watched a wrestling tape, quickly realising that the marks on Daniel's body matched the application of a version the Crossface.
The version Chris used in WWE rings involved him placing an arm of a floored opponent between his legs before locking his hands around their face and pulling back to stretch their neck.
In the context of a wrestling match the move was lightly applied, with Benoit's foe 'selling' it with his facials to make it look like he was really hurt.
District Attorney Scott Ballard said: "A choke hold was used to strangle the boy, rather than hands, because there's no bruising consistent with strangulation by hands."
Respected American wrestling writer Dave Meltzer added: "There was bruising consistent with the Crippler Crossface on one arm and Daniel's face. There were no bruises on his neck
"The police don't believe, because of the size difference, that the hold was applied exactly as it would be in a pro wrestling match.
"Benoit would have been in more of a kneeling position, sort of straddling Daniel while using one leg to pull back on his arm."
More details of what turned a quiet man into a killer are also emerging.
Chris's mental state deteriorated after the recent deaths of grappling pals Eddie Guerrero, Mike 'Johnny Grunge' Durham and Victor 'Black Cat' Mar.
They came on the back of the loss of other friends in the business including Brian Pillman, British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith, Owen Hart and Brian Hildebrand - as well as his trainer and mentor Stu Hart.
He was also becoming increasingly paranoid and deluded due to a lethal mix of steroids, pain killers, anti-depressants and the medication he was taking for his blood pressure brought on by decades of steroid abuse.
The full results of a toxicology (blood) test is still several weeks away.
Meltzer - who has spent a week speaking to police and Chris's friends for his Wrestling Observer publication - concludes that is unfair to point the figure at the wrestling industry or steroids.
But he adds: "An absolutely horrible question to deal with in this situation, as well as many of the other deaths of wrestlers, is would these young men and women still be alive if they were never pro wrestlers or tied to another profession?
"Perhaps in some circumstances, the answer is no.
"But looking on this case, and going back to people who I knew very well and talked with regularly, who are no longer alive, if they had never gotten into wrestling, I can't help but believe with all my heart, that every one of them would still be alive."
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According to further reports, he killed his wife on Saturday, his son on Sunday and himself on Monday.
Well listening to Craig David is enough to drive anyone crazy.
=D> made me smile
as long as he wasn't making love by tuesday though, and on wednesday, thursday and friday [-X
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WWE Smackdown - Edge is injured and unlikely to defend his title on Sunday. Talk of a Battle Royal for the vacant title and a Rey Mysterio or Kennedy return!
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Bobby Kennedy? Now that would be a return.
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Wow!!
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Gosh!!
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WWE Smackdown - Edge is injured and unlikely to defend his title on Sunday. Talk of a Battle Royal for the vacant title and a Rey Mysterio or Kennedy return!
Great Khali will win the battle royal then Batista will beat him on sunday at TGAB
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WWE Smackdown - Edge is injured and unlikely to defend his title on Sunday. Talk of a Battle Royal for the vacant title and a Rey Mysterio or Kennedy return!
Great Khali will win the battle royal then Batista will beat him on sunday at TGAB
Honestly? I can't wait!!!!
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I've just read this thread for the first time - I wondered why a thread on Pantomime fighting stretched to 13 pages. I reckon it was roid rage.
Did a bit of searching and came up with this (http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/roider.html).
Look out for delusional replies number 6, 8 and 12, plus more than a number of others.
Worrying stuff.
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Roid Rage? I don't believe in it. I saw my 260 ripped friend jump out of his car during a traffic altercation, beat the terrified driver's hood and roof in, bend the antenna, bend the windshield wipers while screaming at the guy to get out...roid rage? No. Asshole that overtrained, was precontest and living on low carb and water levels, full of Lasex (diuretics).
:-k I wouldn't totally rule out 'roid-rage' in this case.
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Absolute cack isn't it Deej? Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
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How come nobody watches the type of wrestling that involves two big turkish fellas stripped to the waist lubing each other up with olive oil, and then frantically trying to grab each other by their shorts?
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Much better off with a calorie-controlled diet and 3x20 minutes of exercise a week.
How come nobody watches the type of wrestling that involves two big turkish fellas stripped to the waist lubing each other up with olive oil, and then frantically trying to grab each other by their shorts?
If they do, I hope they keep it to themselves :smt002
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Much better off with a calorie-controlled diet and 3x20 minutes of exercise a week.
Which is my new regime - guess what? It works!
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Much better off with a calorie-controlled diet and 3x20 minutes of exercise a week.
Which is my new regime - guess what? It works!
What a shock. When I first started bodybuilding I got the diet totally wrong and at my worst, had a 39" waist. Currently have a 32" waist but I'm cutting up further and should be 30" in about 5 weeks. I used to lose half an inch each week but now there's not much fat, it's quarter of an inch a week.
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Much better off with a calorie-controlled diet and 3x20 minutes of exercise a week.
Which is my new regime - guess what? It works!
What a shock. When I first started bodybuilding I got the diet totally wrong and at my worst, had a 39" waist. Currently have a 32" waist but I'm cutting up further and should be 30" in about 5 weeks. I used to lose half an inch each week but now there's not much fat, it's quarter of an inch a week.
Can I pm you the morrow re diet?
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Much better off with a calorie-controlled diet and 3x20 minutes of exercise a week.
Which is my new regime - guess what? It works!
What a shock. When I first started bodybuilding I got the diet totally wrong and at my worst, had a 39" waist. Currently have a 32" waist but I'm cutting up further and should be 30" in about 5 weeks. I used to lose half an inch each week but now there's not much fat, it's quarter of an inch a week.
Can I pm you the morrow re diet?
Sure.
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WWE Smackdown - Edge is injured and unlikely to defend his title on Sunday. Talk of a Battle Royal for the vacant title and a Rey Mysterio or Kennedy return!
Great Khali will win the battle royal then Batista will beat him on sunday at TGAB
Honestly? I can't wait!!!!
3 way now with Kane and Batista v GK (c) Probs GK will win
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WWE Smackdown - Edge is injured and unlikely to defend his title on Sunday. Talk of a Battle Royal for the vacant title and a Rey Mysterio or Kennedy return!
Great Khali will win the battle royal then Batista will beat him on sunday at TGAB
Honestly? I can't wait!!!!
3 way now with Kane and Batista v GK (c) Probs GK will win
Oh fucking excellent dude! Bring it oooooooooon!!!! Rock and Roll baby!!! Hey Dave C - get this!!!
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WWE Smackdown - Edge is injured and unlikely to defend his title on Sunday. Talk of a Battle Royal for the vacant title and a Rey Mysterio or Kennedy return!
Great Khali will win the battle royal then Batista will beat him on sunday at TGAB
Honestly? I can't wait!!!!
3 way now with Kane and Batista v GK (c) Probs GK will win
Oh fucking excellent dude! Bring it oooooooooon!!!! Rock and Roll baby!!! Hey Dave C - get this!!!
I know, exciting isn't it, can't wait.
Is GK General Krulak?
I'd probably watch if it is.
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Is GK General Krulak?
I'd probably watch if it is.
Ha!
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(http://www.mydom.it/cdr_game/GREATKHALI.jpg)
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He looks like he could use some fibre in his diet.
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No drug taking there then!
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Did he have nice breasts and a shrivelled penis?
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Did he have nice breasts and a shrivelled penis?
He had moobs, fo sho, but I didn't enquire about his penis. 8-[
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Did he have nice breasts and a shrivelled penis?
Some fucker has been slipping steroids into my beer.
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(http://www.mydom.it/cdr_game/GREATKHALI.jpg)
Isn't that the guy that was in The Longest Yard? Must be over 7 foot tall.
They should paint him green.
EDIT: Yes he is - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1724637/
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FFS Khali vs Kane vs Batista.
Khail to retain by DQ until Undertaker returns at Survivor series. Smackdown is gonna be shit for a while. Sooner Rey returns the better.
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Dead right there Bobcat, Rey rocks!!
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whos gunna win the great american bash cena or lasley......
i go for lasley he is awsome.....
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whos gunna win the great american bash cena or lasley......
i go for lasley he is awsome.....
Yeah, Lasley for me too. :smt102
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When is Rey going to return? Last I saw was him being jumped on by Umaga after his knee operation. He is my favourite!
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its all real, not fixed and a genuine sport
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has anybodyelse read shawn micheals autobiography.it really intresting.can anybody recommend any other good books from wwe wrestlers..
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FFS Khali vs Kane vs Batista.
Khail to retain by DQ until Undertaker returns at Survivor series. Smackdown is gonna be shit for a while. Sooner Rey returns the better.
You know rey-rey's contract expires in 3months?
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The actor they plays Rey (Oscar Guituerez) was under the same doc as Benoit and is under investigation.
He will definately be offered a new contract. Plus jericho is returning sometime soon.
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Looking forward to the cast of Jackass vs Umaga at Summer Slam.
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The actor they plays Rey (Oscar Guituerez) was under the same doc as Benoit and is under investigation.
He will definately be offered a new contract. Plus jericho is returning sometime soon.
Rey has been offered a contract and hasn't signed it yet and some talk that he wont!
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Where else is he gonna go? I can't really see him on TNA or ROH.
He'll sign, he's probably just squeezing a few dollars out of the McMahons before signing.
Mind you RVD just let his contract run down so who knows?
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When is Rey going to return? Last I saw was him being jumped on by Umaga after his knee operation. He is my favourite!
I know, he's so great isn't he - all these guys are, and people that love these shows are way cooooooooool jessi. Ya big Jessy!
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FFS Khali vs Kane vs Batista.
Khail to retain by DQ until Undertaker returns at Survivor series. Smackdown is gonna be shit for a while. Sooner Rey returns the better.
You know rey-rey's contract expires in 3months?
Really? Oh fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!! #-o
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has anybodyelse read shawn micheals autobiography.it really intresting.can anybody recommend any other good books from wwe wrestlers..
Does he still, er, perform? He must be about fifty now. Does he do the tag team with that other bloke, Marty someone?
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How much of this thread is a piss take? You can never be sure.
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I grow potatoes for fun, which on the face of it is stupid. Live and let live
How are the potatoes coming on?
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I grow potatoes for fun, which on the face of it is stupid. Live and let live
How are the potatoes coming on?
A Maris Piper has just hit one of the King Edwards corner team with a rubber chair.
Damon will be mopping up fake potato juice as we speak.
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One of them had a bit of fertiliser rage and strangled the others.
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It was a potato blight on the whole sport.
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Well done PW, there's been a pun famine on here recently.
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To be sure.
The lack of puns had fritte-ned the hell out of me.
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You had to keep chipping away at it didn't you?
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FFS Khali vs Kane vs Batista.
Khail to retain by DQ until Undertaker returns at Survivor series. Smackdown is gonna be shit for a while. Sooner Rey returns the better.
You know rey-rey's contract expires in 3months?
Really? Oh fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!! #-o
Indeed, there is some talk of him and Chavo who's contract is up soon going to TNA with RVD because Hetro Guerruero is there now as a commentator just rumours i guess!
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:-s bloody foreign language here. Have I entered the playground.
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has anybodyelse read shawn micheals autobiography.it really intresting.can anybody recommend any other good books from wwe wrestlers..
Does he still, er, perform? He must be about fifty now. Does he do the tag team with that other bloke, Marty someone?
the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
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I grow potatoes for fun, which on the face of it is stupid. Live and let live
How are the potatoes coming on?
A Maris Piper has just hit one of the King Edwards corner team with a rubber chair.
Damon will be mopping up fake potato juice as we speak.
Stop taking the piss - tell 'em Davey Boy Coops.
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FFS Khali vs Kane vs Batista.
Khail to retain by DQ until Undertaker returns at Survivor series. Smackdown is gonna be shit for a while. Sooner Rey returns the better.
You know rey-rey's contract expires in 3months?
Really? Oh fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!! #-o
Indeed, there is some talk of him and Chavo who's contract is up soon going to TNA with RVD because Hetro Guerruero is there now as a commentator just rumours i guess!
No way dude, why the fuck would he go there though? Shit man, I love this shit!!
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the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
Yeah, i was gutted. dx though, who'd have thought it?
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the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
Yeah, i was gutted. dx though, who'd have thought it?
I know, seems way weird to me, maybe evalast knows???? Hey Dave - have you heard the whisper about marty - the booze?
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the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
Yeah, i was gutted. dx though, who'd have thought it?
I know, seems way weird to me, maybe evalast knows???? Hey Dave - have you heard the whisper about marty - the booze?
Play nicely now Ro-land. It's not as if everyone takes the piss out of your penchant for Simple Minds. Oh, hang on.
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the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
Yeah, i was gutted. dx though, who'd have thought it?
It was fairly obvious, even to a blind man.
sm going on to for dx is a classic move and frankly he/she (suspected steroid abuse, so gender is unknown at the moment) was a damn fool not to see it coming.
Anybody watching The Dental Technician vs The Paediatrician on ppv tonight? Should be one hell of a slam down or something.
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sm going on to for dx is a classic move and frankly he/she (suspected steroid abuse, so gender is unknown at the moment) was a damn fool not to see it coming.
I suppose, but I was really expecting him to team up with Growler and The Pumpfuckler to take on Mr. Moobs at Summerslap XIII
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sm going on to for dx is a classic move and frankly he/she (suspected steroid abuse, so gender is unknown at the moment) was a damn fool not to see it coming.
I suppose, but I was really expecting him to team up with Growler and The Pumpfuckler to take on Mr. Moobs at Summerslap XIII
Dude!!! That sounds awesome, if you can lay your hands on tickets count me in. I'll make the banners.
Rumour has it the undercard has Scrotum and The Diaper in a two way triple slamdown tag with Chicken 'Peter' Marsala and The County Coroner. we all know what happened last time those four were in a ring together, it was CARNAGE!!! Wonder if there will be a wheelchair ramp to enable The Diaper easier access to the ring?
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the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
Yeah, i was gutted. dx though, who'd have thought it?
I know, seems way weird to me, maybe evalast knows???? Hey Dave - have you heard the whisper about marty - the booze?
Play nicely now Ro-land. It's not as if everyone takes the piss out of your penchant for Simple Minds. Oh, hang on.
What?? What did I do? You mean you don't know what we're talking about on this thread, shame on you - The Plasterer will take you down!!!!!! Unless The Diaper gets you first - he's shit hot.
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has anybodyelse read shawn micheals autobiography.it really intresting.can anybody recommend any other good books from wwe wrestlers..
Does he still, er, perform? He must be about fifty now. Does he do the tag team with that other bloke, Marty someone?
the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
Everybody likes a bit of S&M on some level, but what is DX? Is that like a Cincinatti Bowtie?
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the rockers no they split in about 1999.cause marty liked the drink and sm went on to for dx
Yeah, i was gutted. dx though, who'd have thought it?
I know, seems way weird to me, maybe evalast knows???? Hey Dave - have you heard the whisper about marty - the booze?
Play nicely now Ro-land. It's not as if everyone takes the piss out of your penchant for Simple Minds. Oh, hang on.
What?? What did I do? You mean you don't know what we're talking about on this thread, shame on you - The Plasterer will take you down!!!!!! Unless The Diaper gets you first - he's shit hot.
Be careful, if you piss him off he'll put you into the arse-grab-super-death lock.
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Martty J was in the WWE for a bit last year if you remember and he was going to sign full time until the WWe found out he wasn't aloud in certain states after drink related problems while in the WWE before!
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I remember - I was gutted!!!
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its real not fake a fine sport no fixing
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its real not fake a fine sport no fixing
and no punctuation
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its real not fake a fine sport no fixing
Sports Entertainment. The results are predetermined.
Not like any other sports have ever been accused of having fixed results, is it ?
Football is one, isn't it ?!?
Also -
fake [fayk]
n (plural fakes)
1. something not genuine: somebody who or something that is not genuine but is presented as, or appears to be, genuine
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
It's called sports entertainment. Some people enjoy the storylines.
Just because it is premeditated (like plays, pantos, films, soaps and most forms of entertainment) doesn't mean it is fake.
Fake implies they are telling you it is real violence, when infact there are clear warnings in the programmes that tell you it is not...
How can this not be real ?!?!
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So it's theatre then, or like ballet but with more drugs and sweaty muscles and a few less tutu's?
If so then get it the f*ck off the sport's channels.
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Feeling of deja vu here.....
Wasn't this already done at the beginning of the thread........!!
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its real not fake a fine sport no fixing
Ya man, yo right fo sho!
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Feeling of deja vu here.....
Wasn't this already done at the beginning of the thread........!!
Yeah, but what i said was still relevant and i couldn't be arsed to type it all out again...
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So it's theatre then, or like ballet but with more drugs and sweaty muscles and a few less tutu's?
If so then get it the f*ck off the sport's channels.
Well, WWE is more athletic theatre.
It is considered a sport due to the fact that it is ! It is an event at The Olympic Games and there is competetive wrestling which is not planned out...
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You generally know who is going to win but every now and again there is a surprise.
I used to know that the A-team would build a vehicle out of chicken wire and sticky back plastic and beat the baddies but it was still entertaining.
If you don't want to watch it or talk about it then don't.
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If you don't want to watch it or talk about it then don't.
But we love talking about it with you guys don't we Ro-land.
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It is considered a sport due to the fact that it is ! It is an event at The Olympic Games
There's a whole World, no, a whole Universe of difference between Olympic wrestling and the stuff my son was watching this morning (Raw?). Some bloke apparently got twatted with a sledgehammer and then got up with not a scratch on him and "won".
It's all real of course.
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If you don't want to watch it or talk about it then don't.
But we love talking about it with you guys don't we Ro-land.
Too fucking right!
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Card for the Great American Bash tomorrow night:
John Cena vs Bobby Lashley (WWE Championship)
Batista vs Kane vs Khali (World Heavyweight Championship)
John Morrison vs CM Punk (ECW Championship)
Umaga vs Jeff Hardy (Intercontinental Title)
Candice vs Melina (Womens title)
Dusty Rhodes vs Randy Orton (Legend vs Legend killer Texas bullrope match)
MVP vs Matt Hardy (US Championship)
Sandman vs Carlito
Jimmy Wang Yang vs Funaki vs Jamie Noble vs Shannon Moore vs Chavo Guerrero (Cruiserweight Championship)
Any match predictions?
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My predictions
John Cena vs Bobby Lashley (WWE Championship) Cena win
Batista vs Kane vs Khali (World Heavyweight Championship) Khali retain by DQ.
John Morrison vs CM Punk (ECW Championship) Morrison win
Umaga vs Jeff Hardy (Intercontinental Title) Jeff Hardy
Candice vs Melina (Womens title) Candice win
Dusty Rhodes vs Randy Orton (Legend vs Legend killer Texas bullrope match) Orton win.
MVP vs Matt Hardy (US Championship) MVP win
Sandman vs Carlito - Sandman win
Jimmy Wang Yang vs Funaki vs Jamie Noble vs Shannon Moore vs Chavo Guerrero (Cruiserweight Championship) Chavo retains
CM Punk and Matt Hardy to win at summer Slam.
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Any match predictions?
Bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet to win after recovering after a bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet smashed him in the face with a hot iron and then reversed over him in a Burger Van
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Any match predictions?
Bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet to win after recovering after a bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet smashed him in the face with a hot iron and then reversed over him in a Burger Van
and all of this without actually being hit properly once!
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John Cena vs Bobby Lashley (WWE Championship) Lashley
Batista vs Kane vs Khali (World Heavyweight Championship) Khali
John Morrison vs CM Punk (ECW Championship Punk win
Umaga vs Jeff Hardy (Intercontinental Title) Umaga
Candice vs Melina (Womens title) Candice win
Dusty Rhodes vs Randy Orton (Legend vs Legend killer Texas bullrope match) Orton win.
MVP vs Matt Hardy (US Championship) Hardy win
Sandman vs Carlito - Sandman win
Jimmy Wang Yang vs Funaki vs Jamie Noble vs Shannon Moore vs Chavo Guerrero (Cruiserweight Championship) Wang yang
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It is considered a sport due to the fact that it is ! It is an event at The Olympic Games
There's a whole World, no, a whole Universe of difference between Olympic wrestling and the stuff my son was watching this morning (Raw?). Some bloke apparently got twatted with a sledgehammer and then got up with not a scratch on him and "won".
It's all real of course.
Daytime programmes are edited so younger audiences can watch them. Most of it is not real violence (prob because one punch from most of the wrestlers would kill their opponent !) - but the chirographed moves, injuries and pain are real ( the bit at 2.05 is very fake !!)...
It's escapism - we all do different things to get away from reality.
Whether it be watching football, soaps, playing on computers, making sarcastic comments on message boards that show ignorance for the subject, etc....
...doing this four/five nights a week must be a piece of piss !!
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Any match predictions?
Bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet to win after recovering after a bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet smashed him in the face with a hot iron and then reversed over him in a Burger Van
and all of this without actually being hit properly once!
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What a shit PPV that was.
Only one title change and that was little bastard turning up to win the cruiserweight championship.
Roll on Summer Slam.
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Any match predictions?
Bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet to win after recovering after a bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet smashed him in the face with a hot iron and then reversed over him in a Burger Van
and all of this without actually being hit properly once!
Love the Cash track, worth it just for that.
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Someone was trying to convince me, quite excitedly, on Sunday night that there are "certain" steroids that you can take to lose weight and have absolutely no side effect. Deluded.
Much better off with a calorie-controlled diet and 3x20 minutes of exercise a week.
Which is my new regime - guess what? It works!
What a shock. When I first started bodybuilding I got the diet totally wrong and at my worst, had a 39" waist. Currently have a 32" waist but I'm cutting up further and should be 30" in about 5 weeks. I used to lose half an inch each week but now there's not much fat, it's quarter of an inch a week.
Can I pm you the morrow re diet?
If you still want me to look at your diet, works slow at the moment but looks like it's going to pick up later in the week and I might be busy from next week onwards.
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PM sent - thanks OCD.
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PM sent - thanks OCD.
Received. I'll do a good job for you and get something across in a few days. I'm not a qualified personal trainer but have been training for 10 years, so although I don't have qualifications, I've got experience.
If you're comfortable to do so, it would help if there are any medical conditions to be aware of and to know what your workouts involve (not the one's with the new Mrs!) For instance, if you had high blood pressure, I wouldn't know what you can do safely so I would tell you what I do and leave it to you know/seek advice on whether that's ok for you to do.
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Got you - another pm en route!
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Any match predictions?
Bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet to win after recovering after a bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet smashed him in the face with a hot iron and then reversed over him in a Burger Van
and all of this without actually being hit properly once!
Love the Cash track, worth it just for that.
Yeah, those injuries were soo FAKE too !
Eh ?
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Any match predictions?
Bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet to win after recovering after a bloke caked in baby oil, pumped full of steroids with a mullet smashed him in the face with a hot iron and then reversed over him in a Burger Van
and all of this without actually being hit properly once!
Love the Cash track, worth it just for that.
Yeah, those injuries were soo FAKE too !
Eh ?
Saw this link after watching your video too. Bare flesh and fire not a good mix, bet the other guy was wearing flame-retardent gear though.
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Only one title change and that was little bastard turning up to win the cruiserweight championship.
You couldn't write a script like that.
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Matches for Summer Slam shaping up nicely.
Randy Orton to beat John Cena then fued with HHH.
Khali squashing someone probably Batista.
HHH vs Booker vs Jerry Lawler (king of kings match).
Matt Hardy beating MVP.
Jeff Hardy beating Umaga now that the Jackass angle isn't going to happen.
Rumour has it the Cruiserweight championship will be disbanded for a few months. The only two good cruiserweights Mysterio and Chavo to compete in the main programme with Mysterio almost certaainly gonna win the WHC at some point this year.
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Matches for Summer Slam shaping up nicely.
Randy Orton to beat John Cena then fued with HHH.
Khali squashing someone probably Batista.
HHH vs Booker vs Jerry Lawler (king of kings match).
Matt Hardy beating MVP.
Jeff Hardy beating Umaga now that the Jackass angle isn't going to happen.
Rumour has it the Cruiserweight championship will be disbanded for a few months. The only two good cruiserweights Mysterio and Chavo to compete in the main programme with Mysterio almost certaainly gonna win the WHC at some point this year.
cena to beat orton cause of HHH.
khali to lose to batista
hardy to beat umaga
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Does anyone know what happened to edge bein on holiday.
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Edge was injured during a promo with Kane and is injured for 4 months.
Khali won the vacant title in a 20 man battle royal.
Orton will beat Cena at Summer Slam as HHH is coming back as a face. then Orton will fued with HHH for a while whilst Cena is filming 'The Marine 2'.
Khali will keep the title until Undertaker returns.
Matt Hardy will beat MVP.
Jeff Hardy will beat Umaga.
The cruiserweight championship is to be disbanded for a while.
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you are a man of great knowledge on this bobcat cheers.just reading eric bishoff book recommend it its very good
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Jeff Hardy injured and going to miss Summer Slam.
](*,) Fued with Umaga posponed.
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Jeff Hardy injured and going to miss Summer Slam.
](*,) Fued with Umaga posponed.
Thought i'd clicked on the 'What are you listening to thread' for a minute and it was another of andy's favourites.
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Lasley lost on raw monday to Mr Kennerdy.
I now agree that orton will win title he is gettin a lot of coverage,needs a change anyway
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Looking forward to an Orton vs HHH fued in the weeks after summerslam.
Also the Undertaker is expected back way before Survivor Series, maybe even i time for Unforgiven late Septemberish.
Bought tickets for Smackdown yesterday on the back of the Undertaker news. I'm going to RAW on Oct 15th at the NIA and the Smackdown/ECW tapings on the 16th. Might get in a couple of the small shows if I can be arsed going to Nottingham or Sheffield.
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did they ever finish that vince is dead story or not.cause it was at the same time beniot killed his famiily.
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did they ever finish that vince is dead story or not.cause it was at the same time beniot killed his famiily.
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Finshed the story last night on RAW. It was quite a good episode.
William Regal won a 20 man battle royal to become the new General manager.
Ron Simmons won a date with maria on a blind date type show.
His answers were class.
The breakfast he'd cook for her in the morning was SPAM!
The war he'd go back and stop was 'NAM!
Then he told Santino to SCRAM!
DAMN!
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Yes saw raw on monday it was a good one....think jericho is coming back at summerslam as well.
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But who is McMahons mystery third child gonna be?
Most people think it's gonna be kennedy but it would be class if it turned out to be jericho!
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How about Lashley?
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HHH back tonight. 'Time to play the game.............'
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"Life is the name of the game, & I wanna play the game with you!"
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HHH back tonight. 'Time to play the game.............'
Is it Buckaroo?
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Brian "Crush" Adams died today! Another wrestler added to the list.
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Good fucking riddance. That 'Lady in Red' used to do my fucking head in.
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That was Chirs 'Arsehole' De Burgh.
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Triple H didn't appear, it was only a video promo.
Anyone watching Saturday nights main event this week?
MVP is still injured so bottles his boxing match with Matt Hardy and nominates Evander Holyfield to replace him.
Holyfield vs Matt Hardy!
Plus Stone Cold is rumoured to be unvailed as McMahons other kid!
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cant see the stone cold thing happening.think it will be mr kennerdy
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Watch Saturday nights main event tonight. Stone Cold is appearing!
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what happened didnt see it piss in newcastle
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Stone Cold appeared.
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Same old shit, different day.
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How shit was summer slam?
Not one titile changed hands. Cena retained again. The only good bit was Matt hardy vs MVP beer drinking contest when Matt nominated Stone Cold to replace him.
Roll on Unforgiven and the return of the Undertaker.
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I know, and we were expecting it to be so bloody good aswell! #-o
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VIDEO...
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2008/february15-21/6468480?zone=_index
Didn't know Floyd Mayweather was involved in wrestling.
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The above is a video, for anyone who may have company in the office.
Opps sorry #-o
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Yeah, Floyd Mayweather will be at WM24 and maybe Oscar de la Hoya too.
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Yeah, Floyd Mayweather will be at WM24 and maybe Oscar de la Hoya too.
Excellent. I think Bret Hart should come out of retirement and challenge Ricky Hatton for stealing his "hitman" name.
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Haha... Except he hasn't forgiven Vince for the Montreal Screwjob.
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Haha... Except he hasn't forgiven Vince for the Montreal Screwjob.
Apparently he has. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
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can anyone explain to me what the appeal of this 'wrestling' is please?
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Haha... Except he hasn't forgiven Vince for the Montreal Screwjob.
Apparently he has. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
I'm not sure that he has. Perhaps he only joined the HoF for the fans? He was invited to participate at WM23 but refused. Also, I think VKM is such a thick skinned Ellis that he has badgered Hart ever since and Hart still hasn't aquiesced... He wasn't at Raw's 15th anniversary...
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can anyone explain to me what the appeal of this 'wrestling' is please?
Well I've not really watched it last few years as I haven't got Sky but as a teenager it's appeal was a good mix of violence, banter, half naked women, pop culture, rock music and soap style storylines.
Don't know whether I'd follow it now but 8 or 9 years ago it was quite a craze.
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Haha... Except he hasn't forgiven Vince for the Montreal Screwjob.
Apparently he has. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
I'm not sure that he has. Perhaps he only joined the HoF for the fans? He was invited to participate at WM23 but refused. Also, I think VKM is such a thick skinned Ellis that he has badgered Hart ever since and Hart still hasn't aquiesced... He wasn't at Raw's 15th anniversary...
Bret Hart and Vince are on speaking terms...reasons Bret won't come back is one he's fucked and two HBK. For instance The Rock left on best terms and he ws offered to appear in Wrestlemania and Raw's 15th anniversary but declined them.
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Didn't Bret Hart get kicked in the head by Goldberg a few years back and can't really function properly as a result i.e wrestle
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Didn't Bret Hart get kicked in the head by Goldberg a few years back and can't really function properly as a result i.e wrestle
Yep that is true.
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Quite an annoying way to end your career.
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Better than how Chris Benoit ended his career.
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That's true. Probably better than how Owen Hart ended his career as well.
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So how come Brett has forgiven/forgotten Vince but not HBK? Surely it was more Vince's fault than HBK's?
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Bascially I can't write it all in here would take too long short side is they have never got on as they think there both shit! And with the M-screwjob.
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Can't believe that was over 10 years ago!
Briefly watch wrestling every now and then, the only time I actually bother watching it is when it's wrestlemania. All the good wrestlers have left/retired and the ones still left are on the verge of retiring.
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Iv started watching clips on here (http://www.dailymotion.com/gb) is has lots of old stuff but has all the NEW PPV's on there for free.
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I'll check the Royal Rumble out then. Cheers!
Apparently there's a press conference on Monday to announce Mayweather at WM24.
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So how long has Brock Lesnar been out of wrestling then? I'm right in saying he was in the WWF(E) for quite a while?
He fought in the UFC the other week - absolutely huge bloke, no neck and massive power.
Came up against Frank Mir, a former Champ in that division, dominated for one minute and got caught with a fantastic submission and had to tap-out.
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Brock Lesnar has been out for a while and is married to Sable.
I think he pissed VKM off as he had been the youngest ever WWE champion and they made Randy Orton champion immediately after he left, to take away the record!
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Brock originally left to try and make it in the NFL.
It didn't work, he came for a couple of meetings with Vince and left with a face like thunder. The only positive thing that came from the meeting was that they both dropped their lawsuits against eachother.
He then wrestled in Japan for a while and now he's in the UFC. He looked like he was going to beat the shit out of Mir, just needs to get some experience so that he doesn't get caught out. He could dominate if he learns along the way.
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This is the gayest thread on any board ever.
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Thanks for sharing that with us, PW.
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This is the gayest thread on any board ever.
Peter, you have broken the unwritten rule of Off Topic. Shame on you
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That's right, folks. The grandaddy of them all, the Big Dance is on tonight, live from Orlando.
MONEY IN THE BANK LADDER MATCH to win a Contract for a Future World Title Challenge: Mr Kennedy, Kennedy.
JBL vs FINLAY in a Belfast Brawl: Finlay, to get revenge for Hornswoggle.
BATISTA vs UMAGA in an Inter-Brand Match: Meh. Umanga (as Regal calls him) to win, and then join Smackdown.
24 MAN BATTLE ROYAL to Become the #1 Contender for the ECW Title: Kane.
CHAVO GUERRERO vs KANE for the ECW Title: Chavo.
FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs THE BIG SHOW: Mayweather probably has it in his contract that he's not allowed to lose.
RIC FLAIR vs SHAWN MICHAELS in a Career-Threatening Match: HBK, and then everybody to cry as Naitch has to retire. This will be the Showstopper!
BETH PHOENIX & MELINA vs ASHLEY MASSARO & MARIA in a LumberJill Tag-Team Match: Ashley & Maria.
EDGE vs THE UNDERTAKER for the World HeavyWeight Title: Taker to preserve his unbeaten record, Edge to retain title (via DQ).
RANDY ORTON vs JOHN CENA vs TRIPLE H in a Triple-Threat Match for the WWE Championship: Difficult one to call. I'll go with Orton, to keep the feud going.
Who else will be watching it?
Your WrestleMania 24 predictions?
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Are you on a commission?
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That's right, folks. The grandaddy of them all, the Big Dance is on tonight, live from Orlando.
Who else will be watching it?
Your WrestleMania 24 predictions?
Unfortunately me...
Somehow i let my lad con me into letting him stay up and watch it.
Over to my son Gareth..
MONEY IN THE BANK LADDER MATCH to win a Contract for a Future World Title Challenge: Mr Kennedy, Kennedy. CM PUNK or Chris Jericho
JBL vs FINLAY in a Belfast Brawl: Finlay, to get revenge for Hornswoggle. Finlay to win, because he's going to whack him with his Shillelagh" ...
BATISTA vs UMAGA in an Inter-Brand Match: Meh. Umanga (as Regal calls him) to win, and then join Smackdown. UMAGA's 'Samoan Spike over the BATISTA Bomb
24 MAN BATTLE ROYAL to Become the #1 Contender for the ECW Title: Kane. The Great Khali
CHAVO GUERRERO vs THE GREAT KHALI for the ECW Title: THE GREAT KHALI.
FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs THE BIG SHOW: Mayweather probably has it in his contract that he's not allowed to lose. Agree
RIC FLAIR vs SHAWN MICHAELS in a Career-Threatening Match: HBK, and then everybody to cry as Naitch has to retire. This will be the Showstopper!
THE NATURE BOY, RIC FLAIR!
BETH PHOENIX & MELINA vs ASHLEY MASSARO & MARIA in a LumberJill Tag-Team Match: Ashley & Maria. BETH & MELINA
EDGE vs THE UNDERTAKER for the World HeavyWeight Title: Taker to preserve his unbeaten record, Edge to retain title (via DQ). THE UNDERTAKER to use his new submission maneuver and win the title.
RANDY ORTON vs JOHN CENA vs TRIPLE H in a Triple-Threat Match for the WWE Championship: Difficult one to call. I'll go with Orton, to keep the feud going. TRIPLE H
Be gentle with him TimVilla, he's only nine!
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I like those predictions, actually. I assume you're not letting him stay up to watch it?! It's repeated over & again for the next few days anyway.
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Went to Hall of Fame last night. If the idiots in the crowd hadn't spent so long interrupting The Rock to get their amusing personal interjections heard and then clapping EVERY time anyone's name was mentioned, Flaire might have had time to finish his speech.
Spending 15+ minutes to thank WWE staff who weren't in his speech was justified and showed a bit of class for someone my brother has very little respect for due to an incident at NEC where he was rude and abusive to a large group of fans. However if he hadn't then spent another 20+ minutes thanking wrestlers who weren't in his speech, then he might have managed to finish his on time.
As it went 23:00, my bro commented that in the UK, they would have to shut down due to fire regulations or some crap like that. Within 15 minutes, Triple H was first getting info to ask ric to wind it all up.
Off to Mania in a bit. Keep an eye out for a Union Jack and a St George's Flag with the previous style Villa crest on it alongside the ramp and opposite the cameras! \:D/
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Off to Mania in a bit. Keep an eye out for a Union Jack and a St George's Flag with the previous style Villa crest on it alongside the ramp and opposite the cameras! \:D/
Will do, mate. Enjoy!
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It's repeated over & again for the next few days anyway.
Thanks for that.
Ive just checked it out and i see that it is repeated at 10.00am tomorrow.
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It's repeated over & again for the next few days anyway.
You spoil sport :-$ :-$ :-$ :-$ :-$ :-$
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There's no way you can see a Villa flag in THAT stadium! It really does make Old Trafford look like my garden shed.
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Guy M - TOP MAN! Just seen the flag! =D> =D>
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Yeah Tim!
Just seen it! =D> =D> =D>
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Mayweather the cheat ;)
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Seen the flag quality....It is also on the end review of all the matches nice one =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
didnt think that much of it to be honest except the ladder match.That fall that shelton benjinim took had to hurt.would like to have seen big show give mayweather a bit more of a beatin
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Off to Mania in a bit. Keep an eye out for a Union Jack and a St George's Flag with the previous style Villa crest on it alongside the ramp and opposite the cameras! \:D/
Spotted it. Quality mate =D>
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I'm not into this stuff by any means, but I was surprised at the amount of non Yanks there. (My lad is watching it now)
There is a guy in a Blackburn Top, a guy in an Everton Top, the Flag of Ulster, 2 St G's crosses.
:-k :-k
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Link (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1226/villatn8.jpg)
;)
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The ladder match was probably fight of the night, but did you see Carlito's botched jump from the ropes on to the ladder? He fell straight off! A lot of those moves were "holy shit" moments.
HBK v Flair started off well, but I didn't like the ending or the postmatch bit; they should have given more time to thank Flair, bring the roster out. That match should have closed the show.
Undertaker v Edge was very good though.
The rest was quite disappointing.
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That's right, folks. The grandaddy of them all, the Big Dance is on tonight, live from Orlando.
Who else will be watching it?
Your WrestleMania 24 predictions?
Unfortunately me...
Somehow i let my lad con me into letting him stay up and watch it.
Over to my son Gareth..
MONEY IN THE BANK LADDER MATCH to win a Contract for a Future World Title Challenge: Mr Kennedy, Kennedy. CM PUNK or Chris Jericho
CM Punk wins, 1 0 Gareth.
JBL vs FINLAY in a Belfast Brawl: Finlay, to get revenge for Hornswoggle. Finlay to win, because he's going to whack him with his Shillelagh" ...
JBL, so both wrong. 1 0.
BATISTA vs UMAGA in an Inter-Brand Match: Meh. Umanga (as Regal calls him) to win, and then join Smackdown. UMAGA's 'Samoan Spike over the BATISTA Bomb
Batista won, still 1 0.
24 MAN BATTLE ROYAL to Become the #1 Contender for the ECW Title: Kane. The Great Khali
Kane won. 1 1.
CHAVO GUERRERO vs THE GREAT KHALI for the ECW Title: THE GREAT KHALI.
Kane won, still 1 1.
FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs THE BIG SHOW: Mayweather probably has it in his contract that he's not allowed to lose. Agree
1 1 STILL!
RIC FLAIR vs SHAWN MICHAELS in a Career-Threatening Match: HBK, and then everybody to cry as Naitch has to retire. This will be the Showstopper!
THE NATURE BOY, RIC FLAIR!
HBK, so Tim 2 1.
BETH PHOENIX & MELINA vs ASHLEY MASSARO & MARIA in a LumberJill Tag-Team Match: Ashley & Maria. BETH & MELINA
Beth & Melina, so 2 2.
EDGE vs THE UNDERTAKER for the World HeavyWeight Title: Taker to preserve his unbeaten record, Edge to retain title (via DQ). THE UNDERTAKER to use his new submission maneuver and win the title.
Taker won, with his new submission move so bonus point. 4 2 to Gareth.
RANDY ORTON vs JOHN CENA vs TRIPLE H in a Triple-Threat Match for the WWE Championship: Difficult one to call. I'll go with Orton, to keep the feud going. TRIPLE H
RKO won, so I get the point. So Gareth beat me 4 3!
Be gentle with him TimVilla, he's only nine!
Perhaps he should be gentle with me!
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Link (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1226/villatn8.jpg)
;)
There is a huge Wolves one too. My Lad shouted a few hours ago, " Dad, there's a Villa flag on there"
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That's right, folks. The grandaddy of them all, the Big Dance is on tonight, live from Orlando.
Who else will be watching it?
Your WrestleMania 24 predictions?
Unfortunately me...
Somehow i let my lad con me into letting him stay up and watch it.
Over to my son Gareth..
MONEY IN THE BANK LADDER MATCH to win a Contract for a Future World Title Challenge: Mr Kennedy, Kennedy. CM PUNK or Chris Jericho
CM Punk wins, 1 0 Gareth.
JBL vs FINLAY in a Belfast Brawl: Finlay, to get revenge for Hornswoggle. Finlay to win, because he's going to whack him with his Shillelagh" ...
JBL, so both wrong. 1 0.
BATISTA vs UMAGA in an Inter-Brand Match: Meh. Umanga (as Regal calls him) to win, and then join Smackdown. UMAGA's 'Samoan Spike over the BATISTA Bomb
Batista won, still 1 0.
24 MAN BATTLE ROYAL to Become the #1 Contender for the ECW Title: Kane. The Great Khali
Kane won. 1 1.
CHAVO GUERRERO vs THE GREAT KHALI for the ECW Title: THE GREAT KHALI.
Kane won, still 1 1.
FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs THE BIG SHOW: Mayweather probably has it in his contract that he's not allowed to lose. Agree
1 1 STILL!
RIC FLAIR vs SHAWN MICHAELS in a Career-Threatening Match: HBK, and then everybody to cry as Naitch has to retire. This will be the Showstopper!
THE NATURE BOY, RIC FLAIR!
HBK, so Tim 2 1.
BETH PHOENIX & MELINA vs ASHLEY MASSARO & MARIA in a LumberJill Tag-Team Match: Ashley & Maria. BETH & MELINA
Beth & Melina, so 2 2.
EDGE vs THE UNDERTAKER for the World HeavyWeight Title: Taker to preserve his unbeaten record, Edge to retain title (via DQ). THE UNDERTAKER to use his new submission maneuver and win the title.
Taker won, with his new submission move so bonus point. 4 2 to Gareth.
RANDY ORTON vs JOHN CENA vs TRIPLE H in a Triple-Threat Match for the WWE Championship: Difficult one to call. I'll go with Orton, to keep the feud going. TRIPLE H
RKO won, so I get the point. So Gareth beat me 4 3!
Be gentle with him TimVilla, he's only nine!
Perhaps he should be gentle with me!
He didnt do to bad did he!
There was no way he was going to sleep when he knew it was on live, so i gave in and let him watch it.
He said one of his favourite moments was when Matt Hardy came in and did the 'Twist of Fate'' on MVP (his favourite wrestlers are the Hardy Bros).
He's really looking forward to seeing some of his heroes at the NIA event on the 16th.
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Was great last night lots of beer and food and fucking great night loved it!
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any body actualy think that this rubbish is really sport where the outcomes are not fixed?
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any body actualy think that this rubbish is really sport where the outcomes are not fixed?
It's not a sport? Fair dos. It's fixed? Yep. If it wasn't WM wouldn't last 4 hours, it would all be over in 20 mins in a very undignified manner.
I assume you hate going to the cinema as the same thing happens every time?
What's wrong with suspending your belief and enjoying it? I had a really good time watching the Money in the Bank match. If you've got a few minutes, watch it (MitB) on youtube (if it's there). Yes it's fixed, but some of the falls they took can't be faked; also watch out for the mistakes: you DEFINITELY can't fake those.
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Check out the cage match from a few years ago between 'Mankind' and 'The Undertaker'.
Unbelievable.
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any body actualy think that this rubbish is really sport where the outcomes are not fixed?
It's not a sport? Fair dos. It's fixed? Yep. If it wasn't WM wouldn't last 4 hours, it would all be over in 20 mins in a very undignified manner.
I assume you hate going to the cinema as the same thing happens every time?
What's wrong with suspending your belief and enjoying it? I had a really good time watching the Money in the Bank match. If you've got a few minutes, watch it (MitB) on youtube (if it's there). Yes it's fixed, but some of the falls they took can't be faked; also watch out for the mistakes: you DEFINITELY can't fake those.
i probably cant answer this without appearing condescending so if its your bage get on with it and good luck
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Whenever this thread gets bumped, there's always people who have to say that it's shit and then others defend it.
Personally, I catch bits (mainly the Diva's) and I used to watch it for the odd creative storyline or high-risk match but why does it prompt such strong reactions? Surely, if you like it you watch it and if you don't like it, you simply don't give a shit.
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OCD - what I never understand is why people have to say they don't like it? What does it add to the topic for those who DO wish to discuss it?
By the way, cheers hawkeye. That may appear sarcy, but it's not.
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That was what I really asking but you said it more succinctly.
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My son's been watching this today, he tried and failed to stay up last night but was recording it anyway.
As far as I'm concerned it's rubbish and shouldn't be on a sports channel but it's obviously very popular and from the bits I caught in between painting the lobby you have to admire how they can do some of that stuff and not really hurt themselves and each other, a flying back-flip from the top rope onto a ladder is not something you do unless you have trained bloody hard for a long, long time!
My son was in tears when that blonde haired old bloke lost (Rick Flair?) I gather he's some sort of legen in wrestling circles?
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Not long back from an amazing Monday Night Raw. Think we got the Villa flag in the very distant upper tier occasionally but certainly nothing as impressive as we managed at Mania!
There was a couple of separate West Ham fans last night, an Arsenal and a Charlton fan at ringside this evening and a few odd kits, but met about 4 or 5 separate Villa supporters across the two nights.
There were 2 lads who weren't together in this year's kit and the lads who caried the St George's cross with the writing across it through the back of shot were Villa fans too. Appears as though we outnumbered all other clubs!
Didn't get a great look at the Wrestlemania recap segment on RAW, but saw enough to see the flag in the shot from the start. Just not sure whether my gormless face was hidden behind it or not! If anyone's got it on Sky+ and can record it to VHS or DVD, that'd be much appreciated. Haven't ordered it and am still going to buy the official DVD but am worried they'll edit all the bits of me out! \:D/
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any body actualy think that this rubbish is really sport where the outcomes are not fixed?
Its purely entertainment and its very successful.
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Not long back from an amazing Monday Night Raw. Think we got the Villa flag in the very distant upper tier occasionally but certainly nothing as impressive as we managed at Mania!
There was a couple of separate West Ham fans last night, an Arsenal and a Charlton fan at ringside this evening and a few odd kits, but met about 4 or 5 separate Villa supporters across the two nights.
There were 2 lads who weren't together in this year's kit and the lads who caried the St George's cross with the writing across it through the back of shot were Villa fans too. Appears as though we outnumbered all other clubs!
Didn't get a great look at the Wrestlemania recap segment on RAW, but saw enough to see the flag in the shot from the start. Just not sure whether my gormless face was hidden behind it or not! If anyone's got it on Sky+ and can record it to VHS or DVD, that'd be much appreciated. Haven't ordered it and am still going to buy the official DVD but am worried they'll edit all the bits of me out! \:D/
I recorded it and hid the video before my wife records Desperate Housewives over it! So if the dvd doesn't show you, let me know.
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I recorded it and hid the video before my wife records Desperate Housewives over it! So if the dvd doesn't show you, let me know.
Don't think the boxset's out for a wee while, but if you're happy to keep the tape in hiding until then, that'd be much appreciated.
Unless you're visiting Brum next weekend or London any time soon, in which case I'll come and find you and buy you a few beers as a 'thank you'!
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I recorded it and hid the video before my wife records Desperate Housewives over it! So if the dvd doesn't show you, let me know.
Don't think the boxset's out for a wee while, but if you're happy to keep the tape in hiding until then, that'd be much appreciated.
Unless you're visiting Brum next weekend or London any time soon, in which case I'll come and find you and buy you a few beers as a 'thank you'!
I'll bring it to the Wigan game then. Or West Ham, if you prefer?
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Guy i must say you made out night at WM when we saw the villa flag :).
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I recorded it and hid the video before my wife records Desperate Housewives over it! So if the dvd doesn't show you, let me know.
Just don't hide it in the speakers like that Matthew Rose kid did with the murder tape on Eastenders a few years back.
Hmm, I have no idea why I just wrote that.
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I'll bring it to the Wigan game then. Or West Ham, if you prefer?
Guess you're not based in France all the time then! Won't be at Wigan game as I'm attending a friend's funeral, but West Ham would be perfect if it's not too much of a pain in the arse for you? Am back in Brum again next weekend if you'd prefer me to pick it up from yours? Just dop me a PM and let me know.
Guy i must say you made out night at WM when we saw the villa flag :).
Thanks evalast. Just started watching last night's RAW and there's someone at ringside with a really cool AVFC WORDLIFE sign too!
Not sure where it was based and don't want to check the web as I don't want to find out who's the new King Of The Ring. Anyone on here wish to take the credit for that one?
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Couldn't be bothered to start a new thread but apparently Umaga (aged 36) is dead/brain dead. Evidently, he fell asleep and was discovered not breathing and bleeding from his nose. He was on Hulk Hogan's tour of Oz last week, as well.
These are only rumours, so I hope it's wrong.
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Don't all wrestlers die young?
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He's dead. RIP Umaga another one gone so young!
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Yep, he had a second heart attack. 36? Heart attack? WWE obviously knew he was still on drugs, so that's why they released/sacked him in June.
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That's such a shame.
Jeff Hardy will be next.
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I'm going for Chris Masters & William Regal in Celebrity Deathwatch 2010.
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I'm going for Chris Masters & William Regal in Celebrity Deathwatch 2010.
Interesting.
Do you mind if I ask why?
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I'm going for Chris Masters & William Regal in Celebrity Deathwatch 2010.
Interesting.
Do you mind if I ask why?
One's an ex 'roid freak, the other is lucky to be alive in the first place.
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Both have failed wellness tests, came back looking flabbier and now look as if they could be back on the juice! Possibly Mr Kennedy Kennedy as well.
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Fair enough. Kennedy seems like another good choice.
Still think Hardy's next. Shame, great wrestler, and seems like an allright guy, too.
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Not if Hardy goes to prison!
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Do you think he will?
Apparantly the date keeps getting put back because there is some evidence which may clear him.
Would Vince ever take him back after this?
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They know he's not a dealer but he had a large enough quantity that they could convict him for dealing!
I think he' a moneyspinner for WWE so they would take him back - as long as he's cleared of course.
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I agree. They've also just put out a Jeff Hardy DVD.
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RATM are shit.
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RATM are shit.
They'd never beat The Brothers of Destruction.
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Or the Nation of Domination.
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Or the Four Horsemen.
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Or The Legion of Doom.
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Or even Barry Horowitz.
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Or Rikishi and Rico.
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Or The Bushwhackers.
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Or Eric the Evil.
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Or The Hart Foundation.
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Anyone buying the TLC PPV this Sunday? I didn't get Survivor Series because there wasn't a single match I was bothered about seeing. However, TLC may be quite good. Whereas I'm not really a fan of a 'theme' PPV (Breaking Point and Hell In a Cell were terrible, especially after some of the classic HIAC matches we've seen over the years) but this one may actually be OK.
Cena-Seamus will be good because Seamus isn't Orton/HHH/Batista/anyone Cena hasn't defeated countless times on PPV. And I'm also looking forward to Jericho/Show vs DX. As long as they don't put the belts on DX. They annoy me with their stupid jokes and merch selling, and they'll then use Jericho's loophole to infiltrate Smackdown too. (Which by the way is apparantly undergoing big changes in Janurary, I wonder what they'll be doing? They want something to make it stand out, like the Raw guest hosts)
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I'm not sure I will. It's on Sky Box Office. The only ones I'd pay for are (in order of preference):
The Big Dance
Royal Rumble
Survivor Series
I think DX will win, and then Jerishow will win the Smackdown belts back the following night on Raw.
The card looks quite interesting, it's true. I'd like to see more of Shelton Benjamin. He, Regal & Christian have spent too long in purgatory.
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Do you remember the good old days when we didn't pay for any of them?
I've never been a big fan of DX, so I hope your predicition is correct. However, they have so much control of booking, that I fear it may not be the case!
When do Wrestlemania XXVI predictions start?
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I'm not too sure how well it works out for WWE as they occasionally have to offer 3 for 2. From time to time, we get the odd PPV on SS1.
I'd much rather have DX together than ANOTHER 'I hate you' feud between HHH & HBK. A face HHH with a heal HBK might be fun though.
I see Chris Masters has gone face on Raw, so we're due a heal turn soon... And when's Ted diBiaise turning?
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They made HBK into a heal when Hogan made *another* comeback. I was hoping it would stick. Should have known it wouldn't, there's just no creativity - just the same old shit.
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It was never likely to, as Hogan was on a short term deal. It would have made more sense to keep him heal, after working for JBL finished.
They really need to start a 'war'; enlarge DX & Legacy, freshen things up. A lot of talent are just going through the motions.
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IT'S NOT REAL
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Are you sure?
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See i've gone off WWE lately, but whether or not it's real is fairly irrelevant. It's entertainment, like any film/tv show/play.
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It all went pear-shaped after Stephanie McMahon's ridiculous breast enhancement.
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UFC's much better.
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IT'S NOT REAL
This issue was discussed on the first page. Read posts 2 & 3. Thanking you.
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Over two years ago.
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Its a load of frigging nonsense.
Ditto. Look, it's for KIDS.
What they said!
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Its a load of frigging nonsense.
Ditto. Look, it's for KIDS.
What they said!
And what they said:
Anyone who knows me will know I was only playing! Bloody internet!
Over two years ago.
But as nothing has happened since, it's still the status quo. Some people like it, some don't; everybody knows it's entertainment, some care, some don't. Should I go to the games room threads and say turn your computer off and go for a walk? Then, once they've told me to bugger off if I don't like it, go back and tell them again?
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Ooooooooooooo!
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Ignore them Tim. If you enjoy it, then bollocks. I spent 45 minutes watching somebody lay carpet tiles today
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Ooooooooooooo!
Witty comeback.
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Preposterous.
(http://www.popstarsplus.com/images/StephanieMcMahonPicture.jpg)
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Fantastic!
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All of a sudden WWE looks appealing!
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The following also have a fine body of work (on the naughty sites):
Christie Hemme
Candice Michelle
Maria Kanellis
Torrie Wilson
Sable
Chyna
Mickie James
Amy Dumas
See also:
Trish Stratus
Kelly Kelly
Layla El
Stacey Kiebler
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Yep, he had a second heart attack. 36? Heart attack? WWE obviously knew he was still on drugs, so that's why they released/sacked him in June.
In all fairness to my beloved WWE, Umaga failed the 'wellness' test, was offered help and refused it. They had little choice but to let him go when he seemed unwilling to address his issues.
As much as I love 'wrestling' tho, it really saddens me to see that these incidences are happening more and more often nowadays. Clearly a result of the incredibly extreme working and travelling conditions they put themselves / are put through.
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Oh and I'm one of the suckers who will almost certainly be paying for TLC. Well, actually, my brother probably will, even if it is his birthday. It's still his turn for a few times.
Survivor Series was actually pretty good, but I do think they're MASSIVELY overdoing it on the PPVs at the moment. 3 weeks between cards is ridiculous.
Disappointed another one's on Box Office tho. Can record it onto VHS but even with a supposed Macrovision remover, failing miserably when it comes to transferring it onto DVD. Which is a pain as I've managed to do almost 100 other PPVs spread back over the last 20 years over the last few months.
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Mickie James
The following is a very NOT SUITABLE FOR WORK OR ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 website showing some of Miss James' pre-WWE work: LINK (http://www.wrestling-news.com/wow/alexislaree.html)
The photos are genuine. Any 'sex vid' supposed to star her is apparently a fake.
Actually, should I delete that link to protect the innocence of some of our younger viewers?
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This is the WWF i remember.
Virgil cleaning Ted Dibiase's boots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2b3brvuInM)
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I found a squeezable rubber Million Dollar Man head in my bedside drawers while tidying up at my Mum's the other day. Just the thing for squirting water around the bath. It's now been donated to my three year old niece and nephew, but does mean that come bath time, I get to do my best Ted DiBiase impression.
I'm currently messing with their minds tho and trying to convince them they like prunes (they've never tried them) and so his current phrase is that "everybody has some prunes... for the Million Dollar Man" (cue obligatory evil laugh).
Well, it makes me laugh. You sort of have to be there.
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I found a squeezable rubber Million Dollar Man head in my bedside drawers while tidying up at my Mum's the other day. Just the thing for squirting water around the bath. It's now been donated to my three year old niece and nephew, but does mean that come bath time, I get to do my best Ted DiBiase impression.
I'm currently messing with their minds tho and trying to convince them they like prunes (they've never tried them) and so his current phrase is that "everybody has some prunes... for the Million Dollar Man".
Well, it makes me laugh. You sort of have to be there.
The Million Dollar Man and Ric Flair (particularly his first stint in the WWF circa 1991ish) were fantastic villains. There are also fantastic clips of DiBiase paying a pool attendant to clear a public swimming pool of all its children so he can have it to himself. Priceless - and so is the footage of Heenan and Monsoon watching this.
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The Million Dollar Man and Ric Flair (particularly his first stint in the WWF circa 1991ish) were fantastic villains. There are also fantastic clips of DiBiase paying a pool attendant to clear a public swimming pool of all its children so he can have it to himself. Priceless - and so is the footage of Heenan and Monsoon watching this.
I was never a fan of Flair's. His NWA / WCW heritage was the main reason. His ridiculous trip-up didn't help. But when he shouted at a load of fans outside the NEC, calling us animals for daring to stand within 10 metres of him and Stacy Keibler (who I was certainly more interested in) while they were trying to get on a coach was the clincher.
I was chuffed to bits to be present when he was retired at WMXXIV and took great pleasure in being one of the few people to give him a raucus booing.
JBL is the only wrestler of recent times to really play the sort of pantomime villain that DiBiase did, but he did it just as well. His story with HBK could and should have been dragged out for MUCH longer.
The Mr Perfect vignettes are pretty funny too tho. Especially the American Football one where he throws it to himself for a touchdown.
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The Million Dollar Man and Ric Flair (particularly his first stint in the WWF circa 1991ish) were fantastic villains. There are also fantastic clips of DiBiase paying a pool attendant to clear a public swimming pool of all its children so he can have it to himself. Priceless - and so is the footage of Heenan and Monsoon watching this.
I was never a fan of Flair's. His NWA / WCW heritage was the main reason. His ridiculous trip-up didn't help. But when he shouted at a load of fans outside the NEC, calling us animals for daring to stand within 10 metres of him and Stacy Keibler (who I was certainly more interested in) while they were trying to get on a coach was the clincher.
I was chuffed to bits to be present when he was retired at WMXXIV and took great pleasure in being one of the few people to give him a raucus booing.
JBL is the only wrestler of recent times to really play the sort of pantomime villain that DiBiase did, but he did it just as well. His story with HBK could and should have been dragged out for MUCH longer.
The Mr Perfect vignettes are pretty funny too tho. Especially the American Football one where he throws it to himself for a touchdown.
I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels that way.
I loved it when Legacy battered him in a street fight a few months back.
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I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels that way.
I loved it when Legacy battered him in a street fight a few months back.
I really ought to sit down and watch a lot more of his 1980s NWA matches because I might have him all wrong. But from what I have seen, I'm really not impressed.
He was great on the mic. He had real presence. He could tell a story. But in all the time he was in the WWF and then WWE, I don't think I EVER saw him have a half-decent match other than the one HBK handed him on a plate.
I did quite enjoy it when he went up to the top rope and even Jerry Lawler on commentary stated that he didn't think he'd EVER seen him connect from there.
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The problem was he was about 94 by the time he joined WWE.
I always thought he was a bit sluggish. And the 'Woo" really, really annoys me.
His personal life makes for interesting reading. Three divorces (and now just married) a drug addict son, refusal to accept that he's past it, I could go on....
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Hulk Hogan said that he'd offered Youmanga (as Regal calls him) a job at TNA but he was going back to WWE...
I think they've reduced the PPV load for 2010, which should give more build ups...
I liked Flair's promos, starting off quiet, laidback and ending with every vein in his head exploding. Eddie Guerrerro was similar and John Cena TRIES to do the same. Flair was always convincing as a face or a heel. I'd welcome him back to WWE in a Commissioner type role, but never (as Y2J might say) E-VER back in the ring.
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The Mr Perfect vignettes are pretty funny too tho. Especially the American Football one where he throws it to himself for a touchdown.
Very.
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I read Brett Hart's book last year, a very honest and insightful look into the business. I found it hard to disagree with anything he said. Apparently, that Hulk Hogan was a bit of a shit.
On a completey different note I still openly weep at Jeff Hardy f*cking up what could've been the greatest stunt ever. I don't remember which PPV it was but basically in a ladder title match he was left swinging on the hook that holds the belt and RVD was supposed to give him a vandaminator from the top of a ladder in the corner, Jeff got the timing of the swing wrong and flaked out as Van Damm lept. Bollocks.
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Hulk Hogan said that he'd offered Youmanga (as Regal calls him) a job at TNA but he was going back to WWE...
I think they've reduced the PPV load for 2010, which should give more build ups...
I liked Flair's promos, starting off quiet, laidback and ending with every vein in his head exploding. Eddie Guerrerro was similar and John Cena TRIES to do the same. Flair was always convincing as a face or a heel. I'd welcome him back to WWE in a Commissioner type role, but never (as Y2J might say) E-VER back in the ring.
They've dropped Judgement Day. That's it.
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I've read a lot of negative stuff about Hogan - other wrestlers admired his ceaseless work for charity, hospital visits etc but on the other hand a lot of them griped he wasnt a team player and wouldnt sell their moves ie if Earthquake would powerslam him Hogan would act like nothing had happened. Compared this to the likes of Flair and DiBiase who would always help make their opponents look good whilst at the same time performing their own stuff.
I heartily recommend To Be The Man which is Flair's biography. Endlessly fascinating and entertaining. Heenan's was a bit of a let down however.
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Has anybody read Chris Jericho's book, "Around the world in spandex"?
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No, but I would recommend Adam Copeland on Edge. Which obviously, is Edge's book. Jericho has a follow up to his book coming out soon.
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Hulk Hogan said that he'd offered Youmanga (as Regal calls him) a job at TNA but he was going back to WWE...
I think they've reduced the PPV load for 2010, which should give more build ups...
I liked Flair's promos, starting off quiet, laidback and ending with every vein in his head exploding. Eddie Guerrerro was similar and John Cena TRIES to do the same. Flair was always convincing as a face or a heel. I'd welcome him back to WWE in a Commissioner type role, but never (as Y2J might say) E-VER back in the ring.
In response to that suggestion, all I can picture in my head is Brian from Family Guy whacking Peter Griffin around the head with a newspaper, saying "no, no"!
Bischoff was a great GM. Vickie Guerrero excellent. Especially when you consider how uncomfortable she was on camera and especially on the mic. If Flair were to come back in any capacity, he'd be ripping that bloody shirt off, whoooing and tripping over like a twat within seconds. Goodbye, good riddance you bum!
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He's been Raw GM before, and I thought he did well. But I suppose you like him or you hate him, and I like him. Sorry!
Also, I thought Bischoff was crap; very watered down from WCW. He was getting paid to be Vince's bitch, and then lost out to SCSA every week.
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I'm right. You're wrong. End of.
And that's the bottom line... oh forget it.
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That snake had better be devenomised! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=higt0UI7tlg)
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My, not so little anymore, brother used to love wrestling, is Jale the Snake and Undertaker still alive or has everyone from that era all succombed to steroid induced heart attacks?
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My, not so little anymore, brother used to love wrestling, is Jale the Snake and Undertaker still alive or has everyone from that era all succombed to steroid induced heart attacks?
They're both atill alive, in fact, The Undertaker is World Heavyweight Champion!
Not sure what Jake's up too, but he has no working relatonship with WWE. I think he may have been over here at some point? (Essex Wrestling or something like that)
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That snake had better be devenomised! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=higt0UI7tlg)
And they say that wrestling nowadays is too extreme!
Jake was an AWESOME heel, but anyone who saw Beyond The Mat could be left in no doubt that he drew very much on his own personal demons when it came to his character.
The vignettes where Jake was supposed to be helping the Warrior to prepare to face Undertaker before actually turning on him was a classic example of building a storyline. Obviously that was a lot easier then with one programme per week, 4 PPVs per year, but I still think the writers MASSIVELY rush stories they don't need to and devote way too much time to the current 'top' guys.
As much as I dislike TNA purely out of childish loyalty to Vince and the WWE, they do do a very good job of sharing the tv time around and taking time over their stories. And don't get me started on WWE's use of a once great tag-team division just to put singles competitors against each other EVERY BLOODY WEEK.
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The problem with TNA is that I can't keep up with who are the heels and faces!
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The problem with TNA is that I can't keep up with who are the heels and faces!
January 4th TNA is doing a 3 hour live iMPACT!, on Monday night, going head to head with Monday Night Raw. This coincides with Hogan's first TNA appearance. He's bringing 'back up' I think it's fairly safe to assume that 'back up' will mean The Nasty Boys, Brutus Beefacake, Jimmy Hart and possibly Goldberg. I believe Bischoff is already part of the gang.
TNA has an awful long way to go to be able to compete with WWE on Monday Nights. In American terms, iMPACT! pulls on average, a 1.0 and Raw around 4.0
Compare this to an average of 6.0 during the Monday Night Wars. It shows WWE isn't doing as well on television as it once was.
But is TNA going to make an attempt at taking on WWE? Hogan's making all the right noises to suggest they're going to make that attempt. But they're a long, long way off. WWE may see this as a threat, which would make Raw a better show, and god knows it needs it. It's been pretty dire of late.
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Of course TNA is going after WWE. That's why they're dragging all the old names up. If they bring those names back a) it will become stale very quickly and b) it will be a clusterfuck.
TNA should be looking to Joe, AJ, Daniels, Matt Morgan, Wolfe, MCMG, etc. NOT the stars of the 80s. It's bad enough they've got Rhyno, 3D, Nash, Scott Steiner, etc.
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Yup, I'm with you on this one Tim. Their attraction in Hogan is obvious. It's a no-brainer when it comes to getting the company advertised on a world-wide scale. But Brutus...? He was over in the 80s (in both senses of the word) and that's where he should stay. Unless they decide to bring him back as the Zodiac so I can just laugh at him again of course.
Steiner needs TNA more than they need him, but I like what they've done with the dispansion of the MEM and him still wearing the gear. It's almost like they're taking the piss out of him onscreen of feeding off his former glory.
I think you do Team 3D a disservice tho. TNA's awesome tag-team division is due in no small part to their willingness to put other teams over. Their matches might be a bit predictable (the main accusation I'd level at most of WWE's non-PPV matches) but they've given a massive slice of credibility to Beer Money, MCMG and others. And on a slight tangent, if MCMG were in WWE, they'd have been inexplicably split up LONG ago.
I actually quite like TNA's "product". I think they do a much better job of convincing the audience to stay tuned. WWE's recap after every ad break of what happened in the previous segment actually encourages people to turn off and come back as they choose. TNA's shows are high on wrestling output, much fewer recaps and much less opportunity for the viewer to get distracted by something else.
That said, I still make time to watch (with the aid of Sky+) ECW every week and only bother to catch a bit of TNA now and again. I'm a full on McMahon-mark to be honest!
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I wouldn't mind seeing Goldberg at TNA to be fair.
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The problem TNA have is they have a good problem. WWE has gone to TV-PG so if TNA were smart they would go to a more hardcore ECW style mixed with the X-Division and they would be on a winner but they wont.
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He wasn't that good when he was in WCW but you've got to admire the way they built him up over the course of the first year, even if his wrestling skills didn't improve massively.
Fans never really took to him in WWE, but seeing him in the ring with Stone Cold and Benoit (who'd won the Rumble the previous night) in Hershey after RAW had gone off the air in January 2004 gave me a completely different perspective on him. Austin and Benoit both seemed to really like the guy and if I remember correctly, he came back out so he could congratulate Chris and to say hello to the family of some seriously ill kid from the area who had been a big fan of his for years. Basically the sort of stuff that gets forgotten when the press focus on the negative aspects of wrestling.
I'd be VERY surprised if there were any US sportsmen or entertainers who spend more time doing charitable work than your top-level wrestlers, the Tribute To The Troops and their work with Make-A-Wish foundation being perfect examples.
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WWE does a lot of stuff like that.
John Cena is an ambassador for them and is their most wished for celebrity.
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Bret Hart has signed a short term contract to appear in a non-wrestling role from Janurary through till Wrestlemania.
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Saw a new post on this thread and thought "Please don't let it be another young wrestler passing away". VERY pleasantly surprised by the news. Am guessing they may go for a standard GM again for a while.
Which website do you use for your wrasslin news greenwich? I tend to use ewrestlingnews (http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/) but am always open to suggestions.
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wrestleview.com
the best!
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Lordsofpain.net - no popups, and not too slow.
However, they all share.
It's a good move in my view. Especially, if he starts on 4th Jan, when TNA go mental.
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I have the PW Torch app on my iPhone which is really good, they also have a website pwtorch.com
Read there recently that Edge is due to return in the first quarter of 2010, I'd say the smart money is on a face retun for him and he'll be fueding with Jericho.
I have no idea what Bret's role will be in WWE, he hates Michaels and HHH so couldn't see him doing anything with them, people are saying he may manage the Hart Dynasty, makes sense but would restrict him to Smackdown, when surely it would make more sense to have him on Raw? Especially leading into Mania. I'm very happy to see him back though, one of my all time favorites, if you haven't read his book, I'd highly recommend it.
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Maybe that's why DX have both belts? Shift them to SD? Move Hart Dynasty to Raw? Even if they stay on Raw, their storylines don't have to overlap.
I'll check pwtorch, but I'm sure they all share news. For example, I read about Bret Hart on lordsofpain and I bet Andy & Guy read it on their sites too.
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Not a bad shout Tim - they'll be building for a HBK-Undertaker Wrestlemania match.
Bret will be feuding with Vince though.
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HBK sent a challenge out to the Phenom on last week's Raw...
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I see, so Undertaker will be moving to Raw and HBK won't be appearing on SD at all now, even though DX are unified champions.
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Why will Undertaker move to Raw? He didn't for last year's WM.
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Taker's going nowhere. If they do want him and HBK to face at Mania, they'll be kept well away from each other apart from PPVs. Easily done.
I thought they'd go with Cena - Taker at WM this year, but would be SO disappointed if they didn't allow Taker to retire undefeated in his Mania appearances. It sounds childish (no more to some than almost all of this thread I suspect) but for the loyalty he showed in the bad times, his commitment to the character and just because it's such a cool angle to have kept going on this long, he really ought to be given that most unique of accolades.
As far as Bret goes, I'd like to see him screw HBK (not literally) for one of the tag title belts, dropping them to Hart Dynasty. I loved the period when Bret turned heel on the US crowd with Pillman, Owen, Bulldog and Neidhart. They wouldn't need to take things that far, but Hart Dynasty could really benefit from being associated with Bret.
Edge - Jericho feud has been a shoe-in since the former got injured and they had Y2J bad-mouth him. I think Jeri-Show have been BRILLIANT but would be interesting to know what the original plan for E&J was. Can't see Edge staying face long tho. He's just too good at being bad.
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I agree about Undertaker and I don't think he'll lose his streak. But they've got to put him up against the biggest names at WM, otherwise what's the point?
Edge is one of those wrestlers who are just brilliant at being heel or face (along with Jericho, HBK, Kane, Big Show, Undertaker, etc) so I'd be happy for a face E'n'C.
*Five second pose*
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I agree about Undertaker and I don't think he'll lose his streak. But they've got to put him up against the biggest names at WM, otherwise what's the point?
Edge is one of those wrestlers who are just brilliant at being heel or face (along with Jericho, HBK, Kane, Big Show, Undertaker, etc) so I'd be happy for a face E'n'C.
*Five second pose*
NOW you're talking. As long as we see a return of the kazoo. Long live the 'zoo! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEikx9oHFmk&feature=related). Shame we wouldn't get to see their version of fellow Canadian Chris Benoit's entrance music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAFNLP7qmIQ&NR=1) again tho.
Actually E&C versus Jeri-Show would make a pretty interesting feud if done right. Could watch those 4 guys for HOURS. In and out of the ring.
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Cena-Rock is still being talked about for WM.
DiBiase turning face still has to happen, possbly setting up a match with orton.
Bret is back for 3 months starting on Jan 4th. the Harts will get a good rub out of the fued.
I can't see Taker-HBK happening 2 years in a row so I think there is a swerve coming there. I could see Taker-Vince happening.
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The Slammy Awards was the worst Raw in a while (haven't seen this week's yet) Raw's generally been pretty tripe this year, but that took the piss.
I reckon there was only about 25-30 minutes of wrestling in the whole three hour show, Dennis Miller was poor, he even managed to get HHH's name wrong, introducing him as 'The Show'
Whereas I quite like the guest host idea, it's distracting too much from storyline advancement, it'll be interesting to see how they mix this in in the run up to Wrestlemania.
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Cena-Rock is still being talked about for WM.
DiBiase turning face still has to happen, possbly setting up a match with orton.
Bret is back for 3 months starting on Jan 4th. the Harts will get a good rub out of the fued.
I can't see Taker-HBK happening 2 years in a row so I think there is a swerve coming there. I could see Taker-Vince happening.
The Rock won't wrestle again until/if his acting career goes down the toilet. How about a heel Cena against Taker?
If DiBiase isn't face by now then I can't see it happening. His film is already long out. Keep Legacy going, maybe add to it as Raw is top heavy with faces.
I don't want Vinny Mac at yet another WM. Please.
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MASSIVE night tonight in terms of the future of TNA and WWE.
I for one can't bloody wait to see where they're going with Bret Hart. I assumed he'd be kept well apart from HBK but the teasers on last week's RAW would appear to suggest otherwise.
Maybe, unbeknownst to us all, HBK has actually already spoken to Hart and apologised, buried the hatchet and is now ready to do the job.
Either that or Hart's going to no-show at the last minute and turn up on TNA as his final F.U at Vince. But if that were likely, I'd expect something to have appeared on one of the rumour sites by now.
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Hart's signed a contract, the Hart Dynasty have been moved from SD to Raw. It's on! The Monday Night Wars are back!
HBK and Hart will have to be professionals and I'm sure they both are, and will work the angle. If Hart had any problems (that VKM's money couldn't solve!) then he wouldn't have come back.
Mike Tyson is guest host next week.
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Will be interesting to see how crowd react to Hart if he is lined up against DX. HBK can do a great job of switching from face to heel in a programme, but Triple H's character doesn't allow that same fluidity.
I was hoping Bret Hart wouldn't just be GM this week but until Mania, but I guess that with Tyson and those two other guys having already been announced, we've got a few more weeks of guest hosts yet.
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I can't wait, I've not been so excited about wrestling in years.
I'm gonna make a point of watching iMPACT! too to see Hulk, when's it on? Saturday on Virgin 1?
Bret Hart is my all time favorite wrestler, I can't wait for this.
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TNA is on Bravo2 (channel 153 on Sky).
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It was on Virgin1 briefly for a 5 week stint in the autumn apparently, but otherwise it's on Bravo 2.
Flair's being rumoured to be in Orlando. God, I hope so. Will make it so much easier on me to want TNA to fail with that no-good old bum there. After all Vince did to give him the send-off his sucky-ass 80s WCW career never even deserved.
Shame. I quite like J-e-double F *HA HA* J-a-double r-*HA HA*-double t... that's Double J and really respect what he's done and built from scratch. Would be a massive shame to see that destroyed by the greed and egos of the old timers.
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That was fucking awesome.
EDIT - Divas tournament. Oh god. Where's my booze...
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I just read the report for TNA... Sounds like a clusterfuck to me.
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That was fucking awesome.
EDIT - Divas tournament. Oh god. Where's my booze...
Stayed up late and live for it Hazz? Fair play! Would've done the same if they'd called the Blackburn game off last night.
Great start to the programme, but disappointed with the end. I want to see HBK involved in the feud. The new Hart Foundation too.
I really liked Hart's "well I guess hell froze over" comment tho. Pretty funny.
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That was fucking awesome.
EDIT - Divas tournament. Oh god. Where's my booze...
Stayed up late and live for it Hazz? Fair play! Would've done the same if they'd called the Blackburn game off last night.
I was "working". Yeah, the ending was a bit bleh, but they've got months, let's hope they don't fuck this up (they will, somehow they will). I read a recap of Impact, it sounds catastrophically terrible, I must see it.
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The more I think about RAW, the more I think you're right. Nothing on Vince on the mic after the act. The stage has been set and the storyline can now start properly.
Personally I think TNA are foolish to have gone with AJ-Angle as the main event on this show. There was SO MUCH going on and old WWE talent (be it main event like Jeff or jobbers like OJ) getting revealed that I would've gone with something else and announced that match for next week.
Then again, maybe they figured this was their one-time shot at a certain share of the audience and the best thing to do was go with the very best they had to offer.
It's shocking how little of TNA's real talent was used tho. No Beer Money or MCMG is especially noticeable, considering they carried the tag division for so long. And yet they give tv time to the Nasty Boys?! Oh Hogan. How could you?!
Still, interesting times await us.
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As long as it ends with McMahon bleeding in a Sharpshooter, I'm cool.
If I'd never seen TNA before, that Impact wouldn't convince me to 'cross the line' (and I'm going by what TNA fans have told me about the show).
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Like I said, Guy, it seemed a mess (MCMG were in the big match at the beginning that Jeff Hardy* finished).
I think TNA are trying to say they're a wrestling show, not sports entertainment so it probably makes sense to have two technical wrestlers headline, rather than all the middle aged blokes.
In fact, Hogan said they weren't going to go down the old nWo route as it's been done before (jab at DX?).
I like John Cena, but Raw didn't suffer from his absence did it?
*I thought he was still under contract to WWE, but on sabbatical?
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Oh yes, I forgot they got squeezed in there. I couldn't face reading the transcripts of the matches and that's why I forgot.
Think Jeff's contract was up and he didn't want to renew it. Which in a way was good for WWE (and Linda McMahon) when he allegedly got stopped with that large amount of drugs in his possession.
OK and they say they're not going to go down the nWo route... and yet, there we have Hall, Nash, X-Pac and Bischoff in the ring and looking confused. Sounds like the old nWo to me.
Like I've said before, I think TNA has a good product and some great young guys. I can see how they can benefit from Hogan's presence and even Bischoff's. But Hall and Waltman? They're taking tv time away from good, solid reliable workers. And The Nasty Boyssssszzzzzzzzzzzz...
I think it's good that wrestlers like Angle and Hardy now have an alternative, when the WWE schedule is SO very intense and doesn't necessarily suit everybody's physical state or lifestyle choice. I just think it's a shame that some of this opportunity is going to be wasted on Hogan's old boys network. And Ric Flair. Because I just don't like him.
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Not seen TNA yet, but Raw was amazing!
Great to see Bret back on WWE TV, looking forward to seeing where they will take this now, considering Bret can't wrestle anymore.
The big shock is seeing Hardy in TNA. You're right when you say TNA's schedule is a lot lighter and there isn't as much travel involved. However, with all his legal problems not looking like they're going away (I think he's due in court Jan 27) it'll be interesting to see how long he stays with them for.
In other news, Jim Ross says it's 'questionable' that Edge will be back for WM26 and that Stone Cold will guest host Raw prior to 'Mania.
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Now that Orton's got the title shot against Seamus, I think we'll finally see the face turn of Dibiase as he knocks Orton out of the RR match and challenges him at 'Mania. What does everyone else think?
Raw was quite good this week but I was annoyed not to see Bret, he's not going to join DX is he?
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Haven't had chance to watch RAW yet and knew I shouldn't really read the latest update in here. But couldn't resist.
Don't think Bret will be on each and every week and that's a good thing. They need to build this slowly and properly to WM.
Orton vs Sheamus has serious potential tho. Then again, Orton makes EVERYONE look good. He's just so damn into his character.
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Sorry Guy! There's a few other cool things this week so still plenty to enjoy.
I try not to read this thread if I've not seen Raw but often fail!
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Managed to resist visiting ewrestlingnews, LordsofPain and WrestleView and yet couldn't resist this. HA!
Still, kept me away from Liverpool score and jinxing Reading so shall not complain.
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Fair enough!
Who are favorite wrestlers at the moment? Mine are Orton and Jericho.
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I really can't see any good in RKO v Sheamus. Aren't there enough faces on Raw for Sheamus to face? I've never seen the value in face v face or heel v heel. About the only one I've liked is Undertaker v HBK but then they don't need a storyline to tear the house down. Sheamus has only been there 5 mins so has loads of faces he could fight, ignoring Cena/DX.
Mark Henry? Kofi? Ted?
greenwich - mine is Jericho as well.
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Face and Heel?
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Face - good guy.
Heel - bad guy.
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So IanB is a Face and you are a Heel?
Why are they called Face and Heel - what's wrong with goodie or baddie?
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I would call Ian many things, and face is certainly not one of them.
Dunno why - it's just the way it is.
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My favourite WWE face -
(http://www.millionface.com/l/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/torrie_wilson.jpg)
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It's not really her face you're interested in though, is it?
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Her heel isn't too bad either!
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My favourite WWE face -
(http://www.millionface.com/l/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/torrie_wilson.jpg)
If people see loads of new posts on this thread, they'll assume another wrestler has died.
No reason to quote you, Bazz, except for Torrie.
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Of the current crop, Kelly Kelly - so damn good they named her twice.
Of the recent past, Stacy Keibler (legs from here to YA-YA as Lenny from The Simpsons would say) and Stephanie McMahon (even if she does look just a little bit like her father and brother; so, so wrong)
Oh, sorry greenwichvilla, you asked about favourite wrestlers didn't you? VillaSubmariner distracted me with good old Torrie.
As much as I hate the whole Jedward / Brangelina / name-merging crap, JeriShow amuses me every time and I think they work brilliantly in and out the ring. The whole spurned lover conversation outside the arena a couple of weeks ago, the Santa angle the week before, that stupid shit keeps me chuckling for ages.
I respect Cena for the way he hasn't let fans booing the hell out of him distract him or get him down and instead creates matches that feed off it with the punch exchanges giving us suckers a chance to BOO and YAY in turn.
Santino I love watching because I watch WWE to be amused as much as to be entertained. His 'Greatest Intercontinental Champion Of All The Times' and the 'Honk-a-meter' should've been allowed to run longer in my opinion.
Vickie Guerrero: Eddie would be proud. She's worked so hard on her mic skills and pushes that button EVERY time. SmackDown's a much richer place for having her back.
In terms of actual wrestling tho, Orton and Edge (when he wasn't injured) are at the forefront at the moment. They're both great heels and workers and the character they put forward in promos they always take into the match. Orton's recent work in putting over Kofi (who I am also impressed with) shows a real class and maturity he previously lacked. Will be disappointed that they'll bring Edge back as face but can't see that lasting long. Him and Jericho feuding should be good tho.
Oh and CM Punk too. He's taken Edge's role and run with it and as much as Jeff Hardy irritates the hell out of me, their feud was really well developed.
Goes without saying about HBK and Taker. When it comes to the big event, they ALWAYS deliver. Even more surprising in Taker's case with his knees. If they don't let that guy retire unbeaten at WM, I'll be REALLY disappointed.
I really ought to get ready to go to Blackburn now. I was going to leave at 9!
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Sorry Guy, I may have been seeing things, but I'm sure you just wrote quite a long post discussing wrestling as if it's a serious sport!
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Says he who is trying to organise an H&V Modern Warfare 2 night (PS3) (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=36394) ;o)
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Sorry Guy, I may have been seeing things, but I'm sure you just wrote quite a long post discussing wrestling as if it's a serious sport!
What do you mean it's not real?
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Hang on...there's a wrestler called Sheamus? So my middle name is finally cool again. I thought Marty McFly's uncle had done it irreparable damage back in the 80's (or was it the 1880's?).
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I still watch a lot of my old WWF vhs tapes from the late 80s and early though i have managed to buy a load of the Tagged Classic reissues on dvd. You cant beat Royal Rumble 92 or Wrestlemania 8.......
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Deano's - you know Bret Hart's back (for a few months)?
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Orton and Jericho are brilliant. Christian is under-used, the writing though is currently shit. Need longer matches. Bring back Paul Heyman as a writer. Looking forward to Edge coming back as well. DX have sadly become rather irritating, though I would give Michaels another run as Champion in the near future. Him and Orton/Jericho could put on some absolute classics.
Seeing Bret Hart last week almost brought a tear to my eye as well. The Best.
TNA? It's like WCW c.1998 all over again, though Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles and Angle should be in the WWE.
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Deano's - you know Bret Hart's back (for a few months)?
So i've read on here. I hated him, i always wanted him to lose whether he was fighting Mr Perfect or Roddy Piper. Hated him.
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Deano's - you know Bret Hart's back (for a few months)?
So i've read on here. I hated him, i always wanted him to lose whether he was fighting Mr Perfect or Roddy Piper. Hated him.
you've gone down in my estimations Deano!
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Deano's - you know Bret Hart's back (for a few months)?
So i've read on here. I hated him, i always wanted him to lose whether he was fighting Mr Perfect or Roddy Piper. Hated him.
you've gone down in my estimations Deano!
He actually gonna be fighting?
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I don't think he can after his stroke.
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Why not a tag match at WM, where his partner can take all the bumps and he can finish (say, VKM off) with the Sharpshooter?
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Flicking through SKY channels earlier i noticed a retro WWF/E show - Sgt Slaughter vs Ultimate Warrior at Royal Rumble 91, Warrior ends up hit with "a sceptre right between the eyes" according to the commentators even though it clearly only hit him on the forehead!
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Deano's - you know Bret Hart's back (for a few months)?
So i've read on here. I hated him, i always wanted him to lose whether he was fighting Mr Perfect or Roddy Piper. Hated him.
Why Deano?
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What's with the Orton love? His entire career is based on a scowl.
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What's with the Orton love? His entire career is based on a scowl.
He does a mean head lock, though.
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Deano's - you know Bret Hart's back (for a few months)?
So i've read on here. I hated him, i always wanted him to lose whether he was fighting Mr Perfect or Roddy Piper. Hated him.
Why Deano?
For a start i always thought he had an attitude problem. Yes he was technically very good but he always had the same matches. He always seemed to hurt his leg within 30 secs of any match, he'd be forced to limp around for the rest of the fight, take a battering and still win. I rewatched a tag match recently where he was teamed with Owen Hart where even though once again he was injured he tried to put the sharpshooter on his opponent rather than tag Owen in. He collapsed under the effort, ref blows to stop the match and Owen goes nuts and kicks Bret Hart in the leg. Now Owen Hart according to the storyline obviously became a heel there and then but i fully sympathised with him, all Bret Hart had to do was tag him.
Another reason i guess is that the guy was dressed in pink with hearts all over his tights. if you're camp and prissy like the Model Rick Martel you can get away with it but Bret Hart certainly wasnt either of those.
Also he beat my fave Roddy Piper in an Intercontinental Title Match not long after Roddy had won the belt.And once he became WWF champion Vince McMahon and co bigged him up and centred a lot of story lines around him for a long time. I agree with what Flair said in his book, Hart didnt have the charisma like previous bigger name champions. And like with Manchester United, you can admire their skills and still hate them for being marketed in your face all the time.
Believe me, i could write just as lengthy a piece about people like Hulk Hogan!
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What's with the Orton love? His entire career is based on a scowl.
I think the best wrestlers are those who are just as convincing as face or heel - The Rock, SCSA, Jericho, Edge, etc. Orton was absolute gash as a face. As you say, he does posture a lot and little else.
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What's with the Orton love? His entire career is based on a scowl.
Technically he's one of the better wrestlers out there today. He sparks emotion with the audience, and carries other guys through matches and fueds (Cena)
I did enjoy his little hissy fit after Kofi botched the end there, anyone know what happened?
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Which match with Kofi?
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I meant this weeks Triple Threat....Orton, Kofi and Cena.
He went mental shouting 'Stupid, stupid, stupid' Then mouthed to the camera 'He fucked that up'
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I'll have a look at that. I must say I didn't notice. Do you remember Mr Kennedy Kennedy's last match with Raw? It was the 5v5 (basketball shirts) match. Kennedy botched a move on Orton and he went mental.
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Excuse the poor quality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISfbXw5wojM)
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I'll have a look at that. I must say I didn't notice. Do you remember Mr Kennedy Kennedy's last match with Raw? It was the 5v5 (basketball shirts) match. Kennedy botched a move on Orton and he went mental.
Yeah, Kennedy was fired as a result of that. I never liked him anyway.
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I still watch a lot of my old WWF vhs tapes from the late 80s and early though i have managed to buy a load of the Tagged Classic reissues on dvd. You cant beat Royal Rumble 92 or Wrestlemania 8.......
I've been transferring all my recorded from Sky (and those that were on Channel 4 *spit*) PPVs from VHS to DVD. About 100 so far. Still got some official VHS to transfer and some tricky Sky Box Office ones that the supposed Macrovision Remover I bought hasn't helped with. In fact, it's just made the picture really jumpy.
Been considering getting the Rumble Tagged Classics. Ditch the box and just keep the discs of the best damn PPV that WWE have ever done.
Met Pat Patterson on the way to the 20th anniversary one... but was a bit worried when he thought he recognised my brother and me and seemed very glad to meet us too. You guys do know why, don't you?
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Perhaps he met you in one of 'those' bars and was hoping you'd tag team him?
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Reasons why The Hitman Rocked;
He really was the excellence of execution, same moves all the time, but the way he performed them and the sequencing was always spot on. He sold them brilliantly, he was always a bit miffed everyone would always scream phoney at him instead of great acting.
If you were going to do a top 3 tag teams ever list, how could The Hart foundation not be there? The dynamic of the Anvil's power and the Hitman's cocky confidence worked brilliantly as both heel and face.
He was literally asked to carry the business through the dark times of deaths, steroid scandals and falling ratings, which he did quite admirably. I was sick of seeing Hulk Hogan show up once a year and win everything, Ultimate warrior's complete inability to wrestle and Ric flair's 4 move repertoire.
Without knowing the men I've mentioned I would hazard a guess that they were all critical of him because everything he said about them being inflexible regimented dinosaurs was true, too keen to hold on to their halcyon days and not relinquish the influence they had and not willing to push the business or match performance aspects further.
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Spot on, rancid.
Watched WRESTLING WITH SHADOWS with my brother over Christmas and he still had a bee in his bonnet then about Bret screwing Bret and not doing what was right for the business.
I made the point that he was willing to drop the belt before leaving, he just didn't want to do it in Canada and certainly didn't want to do it to HBK there. And I could understand that completely.
He showed long-term loyalty to Vince at a time when others were already jumping ship and when he could have got more money elsewhere. He only went to WCW when Vince later suggested he go back to them and see if they would still offer what they previously had. WWF's finances must have been in a SHOCKING state at the time.
I liked Hogan more during his more recent runs in the WWE than I ever did "back in the day". The sheer arrogance of the man, the depressing predictability of his matches, the lot. It was only when he came back that he seemed to have finally matured and seemed to appreciate what was right for the business as opposed to what was right for him and his cronies. My concern for TNA is that he may have once again regressed to the monster he was back then.
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I watched TNA Impact this morning. First match (a cage match), Homicide hit everybody with a stick, tried to escape the cage and couldn't get out. Then, the other wrestlers tried to cover for him by pretending to chase after him. He escaped through the door and Jeff hardy took too long to get to the ring!
Kurt Angle (who was recently a baddie who hated AJ) fought AJ as a face. Foley, who was good then bad then good and is now bad again (all in the space of under a year) never even made it to the ring. And then we had Bischoff - who managed to be face & heel in the same episode...
Like I said before: clusterfuck.
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I agree Tim. The thing is though the car crash television element does make it quite fun to watch.
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I always thought half of the fun of wrestling was telling a story, getting fans to empathise or care. TNA just seem in it for the cheap pops and the scene with Nash, Waltman, Hogan & the rather large Scott Hall was strange. Where are they going with that? And did Hall cock up every line, or just most of them?
And they seem to have Hogan, Bischoff, Jarrett & Foley (& Dixie Carter, I guess) as disparate components. They'd have been better off leaving Jarrett & Foley off for a few weeks then bring them in steadily.
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I meant this weeks Triple Threat....Orton, Kofi and Cena.
He went mental shouting 'Stupid, stupid, stupid' Then mouthed to the camera 'He fucked that up'
I couldn't be arsed to hang around where my Sky box is for TNA but did get to watch last week's RAW finally. Santino's reaction after winning his All Italian Italian Challenge was quality. I also like the quiff / comb-over he's slowly developing.
I thought Tyson was going to be awful and at first seemed to confirm it. But then he just kept his mouth shut, let the wrestlers talk and then came back in when prompted by Sheamus. Interesting change of camera angles on the backstage sections. Definitely pre-recorded. All in all, he wasn't nearly as awful as when he kept calling Austin "Cold Stone"!
As far as Orton and Kofi were concerned, if he meant his landing on the ropes, then it was only a slight fuck-up. I was at RAW in Herhsey the night after the Rumble in January 2004 and THAT'S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWvA6pswAOA)how to botch an ending, Randy. Remember?
OH... doing a quick search and it looks like he didn't let Orton do the punt that was supposed to send a message to Sheamus. THAT'S why he's so pissed off.
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Who remembers Razor Ramon then, the WWF's answer to Tony Montana. He was good as a heel and turned face not long after.
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See that "rather large Scott Hall" that TimVilla referred to further up the page? That's Scott Hall. He's now in TNA, still running with same toothpick gimmick.
I just saw a story on one of the sites that picked up on something I noticed when I was watching NFL highlights the other day: Arizona Cardinals' wide receiver Steve Breaston doing the Razor Ramon-style celebration (http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1263659566.php?style=dark)
I assume you boys are all already familiar with Wrestlecast (http://www.podcastblaster.com/directory/podcast-9805.html) podcasts?
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Does he still use the same daft accent?
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Sadly yes. When he's not so drunk or drugged up on painkillers that he can't even manage that.
Apparently it was Kelly Kelly (http://www.kellykellywwe.com/)'s birthday yesterday. She was 23. TWENTY BLOODY THREE.
Here's a clip of her gunning for Damon's job at ITN (http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/Kelly_Kelly_Turns_23_WWE_HOF_Tix_The_Tyler_Re.shtml).
Real name Barbara Blank... so inappropriate for one so lovely. But just how the hell did Test manage to date her AND Stacy Keibler. He might not have been around for a long time, but I guess in certain respects, it sure was a good time.
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Say hello to the drunk guy!
Just a note (if anyone cares) Genesis PPV will not be on Bravo in the UK but on BT Vision.
Thank Dixie Carter.
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Is that just live? ie will it be on Bravo later? eg they only showed the 4th Jan Impact yesterday.
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It's on Bravo as well for the time being, as the UK contract is up this month. BT Vision is on some sort of time delay.
**BREAKING NEWS*** The previously announced Genesis PPV online thing from TNAWrestling.com has been withdrawn. Viewers were to pay 11GBP to see it (officially).
Did someone say clusterfu*k earlier?
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Ultimate Warrior pays a visit to the Funeral Parlour 1991 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NrtxpK8w9k)
I love the way the camera is already waiting for the Undertaker to come out and duff up the Warrior. Same thing happened when Hogan went on the Funeral Parlour, Flair distracted him and Undertaker attacked him from behind.
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pre match promos for Royal Rumble 92! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrladAnUANM&feature=related)
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Deano, that was quality! Thank you.
Watched Wrestling With Shadows last night. Something I'd been meaning to watch but never got around too. Found an amazing stream which I put through to my ps3, didn't stop once, incredible! Anyway, it was probably a good time to watch it with Bret being back. I got quite upset at the end, I knew everything that happened, but to see it unfold like that on film is actually quite harrowing. I don't think there's too much of a difference between Bret and 'The Hitman' which I like. Vince just proves everything that's ever been said of him. What a bell end!
After las week's events, I expect to see Bret on Raw this week. Still confused about where they're going with this. Got a worrying feeling he may join DX. His burying the hachet with Shawn seemed genuine, there was/is genuine animosity there. As much as he denies it to this day, it seems quite obvious that HHH was involved in the Screwjob. He's too much of a control freak not to be. I think that with this Michaels/Taker Mania angle (not again, please, last year was a classic, let it be) and HHH throwing Shawn out of the ring like that on Raw could be the start of his much needed heel turn. I expect HHH to feature in the Bret angle, but I'm not sure where. Lots to look forward to, hopefully with Bret being victorious.
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After las week's events, I expect to see Bret on Raw this week. Still confused about where they're going with this. Got a worrying feeling he may join DX. His burying the hachet with Shawn seemed genuine, there was/is genuine animosity there. As much as he denies it to this day, it seems quite obvious that HHH was involved in the Screwjob. He's too much of a control freak not to be. I think that with this Michaels/Taker Mania angle (not again, please, last year was a classic, let it be) and HHH throwing Shawn out of the ring like that on Raw could be the start of his much needed heel turn. I expect HHH to feature in the Bret angle, but I'm not sure where. Lots to look forward to, hopefully with Bret being victorious.
Bret won't go anywhere near DX. I suspect he has more of an issue now with Triple H than HBK as you're right, Hunter was VERY much involved in the screwjob and reportedly was the first one to suggest it.
The kiss-and-make-up between Bret and Shawn was necessary for the Hart-McMahon story to work, but I don't think you'll be seeing Bret interact with HBK or HHH any time soon and definitely not joining DX.
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HBK has said that DX will split up after Royal Rumble anyway. I can't see HHH winning the Rumble so he'll need a storyline... I'd rather see HBK turn heel as he hasn't (properly) for so long. I'm still recovering from HHH's last heel turn and that was years ago!
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I hate HHH.
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Well don't leave us hanging...!
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I just hate the way that he dominates everything in WWE. The Shamus push has come because he's HHH's gym partner and they travel on the road together.
I hate the way that he seems to have a split personality. One week he's this Greenwich Bruiser (gives my town a bad name!) and then the next he's clowning around in DX.
I hate his blatant involvement with the Screwjob, and yet still denies it, even putting the blame on Shawn when the were back in Montreal for Breaking Point.
I hate the way that he didn't really bother to promote the Triple Threat at Survivor Series.
I hate the way that he shows no respect for the Unified Tag titles.
I hate his massive nose.
I hate it when he spits his water everywhere.
I hate the way he's always in the main event, he'll be headlining Mania again weather he wins the rumble or not.
I hate the fact he's married to the bosses daughter.
I hate the fact that anything that happens will only benefit him in the long run.
I hate the fact I could run all night with this.
I hate the fact I now sound like that QPR fan.
Rant over. Looking forward to Raw tonight, hopefully we'll see Bret.
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I hate the fact I now sound like that QPR fan.
I'm glad you dropped that in there, because that's what I was starting to think.
I was really disappointed with how him and Shawn absolutely crushed Spirit Squad a couple of years back. That gimmick was funny, those guys were over and yet they completely ruined the tag-team division by making them (and all subsequent tag-teams) look inferior to two superstars thrown together at a moment's notice.
In fact, if there's one thing I hate most about the WWE nowadays it's that: the tag-team division being non-existent and tag-matches used to drag out singles' feuds. But that's really just a result of the over-exposure created by the weekly broadcasts which are a result of increased market forces blah blah blah
But I get where you're coming from. Oh and you forgot to mention his use of the sledgehammer when he is a heel. If you're that damn hard, Hunter, why do you need a weapon, huh?!
I actually quite like him as a heel. I just hate his use of the sledgehammer, but don't tell greenwich
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IT'S THE ROYALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!
Will probably be watching it Monday evening with my bro and really looking forward to it as ever.
Random thought about last week's SmackDown - really impressed with the Divas angle and their work on the mic. A proper storyline, based in reality, giving the people involved the time to make the audience 'care'. Exactly how WWE should use its women wrestlers.
Off to trawl the fansites to see what else has been going on and avoid any Rumble spoilers because it's looking like this year will have more main-eventers in it than ever.
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I'll record it and watch it on Monday, so no spoilers! Who will be the surprise entrant? RVD again? Booker T? Ricky Steamboat?
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I was just reading a section of an interview with RVD and he says he'd never work for WWE on a full-time full-schedule basis again. Wouldn't surprise me to see him turn up at the Rumble on a one-off basis and then sign with TNA in a short while.
Would LOVE to see King Booker and Queen Sharmell back. They crack me up.
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I reckon edge is coming back at the rumble. He'll start his fued with Jericho for wrestlemania. Bret vs HHH at WM, they'll tease it as Bret vs vince then HHH will fight for Vince. Big show to win the rumble and challenge undertaker.
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The best rumble was 1992. End of.
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I think Orton & Mysterio will both win tonight. There's no way Sheamus can headline a WM, so he'll have to drop the belt and if the Undertaker loses tonight it should lighten the workload for his battered body.
WM matches...:
Orton (c) v HHH
Mysterio (c) v Undertaker rematch
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Batista v Cena (interbrand)?
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I think (and want to see) Orton to beat Sheamus tonight and DiBiase to win the Rumble setting up the end of Legacy, and an Orton DiBiase main event at Mania. The whole Legacy thing was great for a while but now it just stinks, Orton doesn't really have much to do with them anymore anyway.
Hoping Edge jumps in tonight. We all know he's gonna fued with Jericho but that will be a great programme.
Anyone see TNA? Looks better with a regular ring. Still can't work out what the hell's going on though. And why do they keep referincing Montreal when that's exactly what the competitions doing?
I'll be watching the 9pm re-run of the rumble on Monday. Anyone up for a 'match thread'?
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Double post.
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Do you think Ted is WM headline material yet? I don't and it's also the reason Sheamus must drop the WWE title before WM.
I'm recording it tonight and, unfortunately, will not be able to wait til 9pm! But I won't make any comments for a day or so.
I'd love to see a face Edge back. Jericho is treading water with K-Kwik/Ron Killings/whatever, ready for Edge.
Guy - when are you watching it? Just so I know when we can discuss it!
I've read an Elimination Chamber spoiler which gives away the brand the Rumble winner represents. I won't say on here though. Unless you want me to?
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Yeah I reckon Ted's ready. Been built up for a while, I think it also makes sense if his dad goes into the HOF this year as is rumoured. Can I make a request not to know the winning brand please?
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Ted's been 'about to turn face' for about 6 months now. People said it was going to tie in with his straight to dvd film. I wonder if it's just a steer?
No worries for the brand.
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Could be. It will happen. Cody and Ted are talented Wrestlers and will do very well solo. I worry for Cody though if this happens, is he strong enough to go it alone? Could see him in ECW for a year. Would also love to see Cristian on Smackdown! Or Raw.
Anyway, who cares? The road to Wrestlemania starts TONIGHT!!
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Guy - when are you watching it? Just so I know when we can discuss it!
I've read an Elimination Chamber spoiler which gives away the brand the Rumble winner represents. I won't say on here though. Unless you want me to?
Why would I have wanted to know spoilers for the BEST ppv of the year?!
I've watched it now and will await others' return before I discuss anything at length. Only disappointment for me was it being only 90 seconds between entrants into the Rumble itself. Otherwise, very happy.
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It's been 90 seconds for a good few years now.
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I thought it was really boring. Like Guy said, don't want to ruin it for anyone who hasn't yet seen it, so I'll expand on my thoughts tomorrow
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Anyone else think it looked like Triple H injured himself?
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I've seen it and I loved it. When is the embargo lifted?
I thought HHH had injured himself. I expected them to tease something between him & HBK but he started to favour his right leg as if he'd blown his knee again.
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He wrestled last night though. Seems fine.
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Yeah, he's ok. HBK turning heel? Walk out on Hunter next week and lose the tag team belts?
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Embargo definitely lifted then!
I thought it was a really good PPV and think the decision to go with 90 seconds must have been made relatively late on. In the build-up to it, all references were to entrants "every 2 minutes" and I think that would explain Miz and MVP's match being added at late notice.
I thought the Mickie-McCool match was really good. Yeah it was short, but the crowd were hot for it and it got the pop and reaction they'd have hoped for and Team LayCool get the kicking they deserved.
Bit annoyed Orton got shafted, but I think you might be right Tim when it comes to DiBiase turning face being a swerve. They could definitely make Orton the Austin of 2010 right now as long as they keep him away from Cena. Him versus Legacy could easily run to Elimination Chamber before moving into 3way with Cena and Sheamus at WM.
I don't want to see HBK - Taker again. But that's because I'm worried he's one of the few people Taker would be wiling to drop the streak to.
I think Christian should have dropped to Ezekiel. The bloke's a monster in the making and could have been put over, but he could always win it in the Chamber before dropping it at WM.
I really enjoyed the Rumble. I just wish it had been longer. CM Punk got a chance to introduce those who might not watch a lot of SmackDown to what he's been doing. Bit surprised they've let Edge go straight past Jericho for the title, but maybe there's something to happen there at EC.
REALLY happy to see HHH go out early. Predictable that it was to Shawn tho. Heel Shawn vs Face Hunter (with Hornswoggle) would work right now tho, especially if HBK was to start to lose it.
All in all, I wasn't disappointed.
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Pretty clear to me that it will be Taker-HBK, Orton-DiBiase and Bret-Vince. Not sure what they're going to do with Cena and HHH.
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I think HBK will face Batista at WM after Batista was the one to throw him out. They wont go with HBK-Taker 2 years in a row.
The RAW elimination chamber will be for the title but the Smackdown EC will be to decide the number one contender to face Taker at WM.
Sheamus will drop the title in the EC to set up Edge vs ?
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Didn't get chance to watch SmackDown before the Rumble and just watched it this afternoon. Great GREAT pre-Rumble build show: CM Punk's Straight Edge Society on mic with DX and Rey, Mysterio vs HBK main event with story-developing ending. Loved it.
Just watched this week's RAW as well. Shatner's vocal interpretation of Shawn and Rey's entrance themes was awesome. As was his 'negotiator' / freeze frame stupidity.
Won't say any more in case others haven't seen it yet, but was quite a wrestling heavy show for a change with a view to the RAW Elimination Chamber and some pretty good plot development. No Santino this week tho :o(
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Raw was good this week. I loved Edge on it. Heel/face...? I guess face. TJ Hooker was good. ;o)
I see they set up DX losing their belts next week...
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So, you've seen it too then!
Interesting to see how the heel returning from injury didn't get the sort of face-reaction they probably hoped for like Angle and HHH did. I guess that's partly down to him not having been out for "that long". Crowd started to turn more once Sheamus came out. Still think he'll draw better as heel so will be interesting to see where they go with him.
I'd like to see DX lose each set of belts separately and for those to start being used properly again. Wishful thinking I guess.
Just been catching up on gossip on what else has happened this week. Interesting development as far as ECW is concerned.
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I think that's why it's a three way tag match? Punk & Gallows take the SD belts, Miz/Show the Raw ones. HBK will walk out on HHH or perhaps even give him some Sweet Chin Music.
I'd prefer Edge (& Christian!) as face.
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Looks like Cena-Batista will be fighting on behalf of Bret and McMahon respectively.
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Sounds a bit too similar to McMahon v Trump, hair v hair. I think they should be kept as two separate storylines.
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Sounds a bit too similar to McMahon v Trump, hair v hair. I think they should be kept as two separate storylines.
Bret/Vince would be horrific/impossible, though.
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Sounds a bit too similar to McMahon v Trump, hair v hair. I think they should be kept as two separate storylines.
Bret/Vince would be horrific/impossible, though.
I think that's partly why Bret mentioned the stroke and the wheelchair. Sadly, him and Vince just wouldn't work. Shame Shane's gone because I think he could have made a match with Bret work. Some showboating, the old Shane shuffle, miss a coast-to-coast...
Cena w/ Bret vs Batista w/ McMahon doesn't fill me with joy, but it works in terms of the WWE's current direction and as one of the main events, it's got the guys Vince would want involved when it comes to mainstream media appeal.
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We've seen the end of the Survivor Series. The event will not be repeated as a result of poor buyrates in the US. I must admit, I didn't actually order it in 09 either. The poor buyrate I'd imagine were down to no promotion, UFC on PPV that night and the NFL being in full swing.
Shame cause there have been some great SS events in the past.
No doubt it will be replaced with some sort of themed PPV. Triple Threat? Fatal Four Way? The mind boggles....
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I read that too. After WM and Royal Rumble, Survivor Series was my favourite. The rest are all too similar.
How about a PPV where all the matches are in a six-sided ring...?!
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Haha! Not a bad idea there Tim!
I do agree with you, the 'Big 4' PPVs are massivley superior too the so called lesser ones. I do enjoy Backlash and Night of Champion's but that's about it. They should bring back King of the Ring. Enjoyable because it was different and felt like an event. Too much emphasis on Cena, HHH, Orton etc in the spotlight and far too much overkill on TV and PPV have taken away a lot of the enjoyment of following WWE.
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Been in Vegas for a week and my brother texted me the bad news about Survivor Series while I was out there.
In the days before weekly wrestling programming, Survivor Series was an integral part of the wrestling calendar, allowed feuds to be brought to a close, new ones to start and gave fans the opportunity to see wrestlers face other wrestlers they wouldn't usually come into contact with. And I loved it. Rumble first, Survivor Series 2nd, Mania etc followed thereafter in importance for me.
Both Taker and Rocky Maivia made their debuts at SS off the top of my head. I suspect a few more. It was a great way to bring someone straight in as important in the days before weekly live programming.
With mishmash tag-teams on RAW and SmackDown every week and nothing like the time spent on any feuds apart from those involving the main eventers, the PPV isn't relevant but that's nobody's fault but the WWE creatives' own and I for one am gutted to see an end to what SHOULD have still been one of the cornerstones of the WWE.
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It's WWE's own fault as they've badly booked SS the last few years. Just hitching any old 5 wrestlers from each brand together with little or no storyline. Think back to the ECW/WCW invasion storylines. It was built up properly and was bloody good. There was background & ramifications as to who would win. I'm sure SS would work if they actually bothered to make it work.
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I pretty much tuned out after the whole invasion saga, that was ace.
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I pretty much tuned out after the whole invasion saga, that was ace.
I think I was living in Lyon when the Invasion saga was really in full flow. Wherever I was, I definitely couldn't follow it on tv weekly, but I always felt the invasion saga didn't run anywhere near as long as it could or should have.
Then again, maybe they learnt from WCW's mistakes with the nWo and its various incarnations and realised that flogging a dead horse wasn't necessarily the way forward.
Was on holiday last week so not sure whether I managed to record the last ECW or the first NXT but when I finally get to pop back to where my Sky+ box is, there should be loads of lovely wrasslin waiting for me. I hear some of the Springer sections of RAW are pretty good.
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You hear wrong. I strongly advise that you fast forward through all of the Springer bits. Not his fault, just a poor idea, badly scripted.
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I quite enjoyed it actually. But any segment where you get to see Kelly Kelly's beaming smile or Santino Marella work for me every time.
Only got chance to watch last 2 weeks' RAW / ECW / SD on Monday and as a result, realised after the even that I'd missed Elimination Chamber. Thanks to a file-sharing website that shall remain nameless, I've just finished watching that too.
Won't give any spoilers yet in case anyone else who's interested hasn't seen it, but thought it was a great show and build-up to WM.
I'm also quite looking forward to NXT. I see this as being quite different to Tough Enough too. I hope there won't be a weekly or monthly "eviction". One of the (many) things I hated working in tv was the creatives' insistence that any reality-based programme needed "jeopardy" i.e. the threat of someone being evicted. Sorry, but that just isn't the case. If you're interested in the people, it doesn't matter if one's likely to leave or not.
All of the 'rookies' look like they're ready for tv and I see it more as a way of slowly introducing them to tv and live crowds and vice versa. Miz and Bryan Danielson, sorry, Daniel Bryan, has crossover feud written all over it already. Obviously some may not make the grade entirely, but there seem to be a few of the 'big dude' types that Vince likes.
Someone hurry up and watch Elimination Chamber tho cos I want to discuss that. Although not right now. Now I'm off to bed.
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My Son watched Elimination Chamber on PPV and reckoned it was the best PPV for ages (he pays not me). I didn't see any of it as I was out at a gig on Monday.
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I think the last few have been VERY strong. Almost feel bad for watching it on a file-sharing website for the first time.
Oi, TimVilla will you hurry up and watch the bloody thing.
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I've not seen Raw yet but really enjoyed the Elimination Chamber (matches).
Setting up nicely for 'Mania. Bring it on.
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Great EC and no surprises for me really*.
Edge & Jericho nicely set up, although it seemed their segment on Raw was very quick.
HBK SCMed Undertaker and that's set up. HBK to lose, and have ANOTHER break for a few months.
Did anybody else see Undertaker set on fire as he walked out? He looked mighty pissed off. It looked like his coat and gloves that set light.
Ted v Randy? A Cody run in?
HHH in the MitB? Or will he face Sheamus?
* I didn't predict Batista getting Cena's belt, but it ties in nicely for Bret Hart to win the title in a tag team match at The Big Dance.
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Undertaker and HBK only have part-time contracts so do 6 months on and 6 months off. That's why Taker had to lose the title.
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Undertaker v HBK doesn't need a belt for it to be match of the night & match of the year. Undertaker could always lose the belt a bit after WM if need be.
Edge beating Y2J could be the "feelgood" match to send the fans home happy. Mind you, so could Bret Hart winning the gold...
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Great EC and no surprises for me really*.
Edge & Jericho nicely set up, although it seemed their segment on Raw was very quick.
HBK SCMed Undertaker and that's set up. HBK to lose, and have ANOTHER break for a few months.
Did anybody else see Undertaker set on fire as he walked out? He looked mighty pissed off. It looked like his coat and gloves that set light.
Ted v Randy? A Cody run in?
HHH in the MitB? Or will he face Sheamus?
* I didn't predict Batista getting Cena's belt, but it ties in nicely for Bret Hart to win the title in a tag team match at The Big Dance.
Thought it was a really good RAW and Jewel and Ty Whatsisface did a really good, simple job.
Not wasting much time on Edge - Jericho made perfect sense. Impact spear, decision made, get them both back to SD quick smart.
I hope HHH will face Seamus and ideally put him over. I think Bryan Danielson, sorry (again), Daniel Bryan and Miz are a feud in the making but thing it'd be silly to rush it onto Mania... depends on how good he is. I'd like to see tag belts split and actually mean something tho. Surely not that difficult now they only have 2 programmes to spread the talent across.
I missed Taker getting burned as I was only half-watching the feed, but there are clips of it on youtube apparently. They kept passing him bottles of water while he was in his chamber to ease the pain. Probably explains why he also had his coat done up so tight on RAW.
Rumour is that HBK will take some time off after Mania so will presumably (hopefully) lose. They've got some serious script-writing to do if they want to improve on last year's match tho.
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I thought the guest hosts were crap. Again. It started off well, but has run out of steam.
As for Edge/Y2J they would have been better off not even being on Raw really. Give it the time it deserves.
Guy, did you notice that Undertaker had his old gear on? And old hairstyle? (From the Ministry days). I suppose that links in with the burns.
One thing about a HHH/Sheamus feud... Apparently H is turning heel. A-bloody-gain.
Don't split ShowMiz for a Miz/Bryan Danielson Bryan Daniel feud. What little I've seen of BDBD, he looks great. He could form a gymnastic stable with Evan Bourne, Yoshi Tatsu & Kofi!
If Miz teamed with the Phenom, they'd be MizTake...
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Boom boom. It's the way you tell them.
The problem with the Edge situation was that it was advertised he'd be on RAW to announce who he was facing. So he had to be there. Plus, Jericho is the best in the business at what he does (winding up the crowd) and so it was a quick easy way to push the Edge face character that bit more.
When Taker first mentioned HBK's soul, I thought they were teasing a Ministry return (tied in with the look) but as he went on to say it "wouldn't be enough", I knew where it was going.
The guest hosts aren't going anywhere any time soon. They potentially attract a slightly different audience / demographic on a weekly basis and makes good commercial sense, especially as WWE looks to go more mainstream / PG friendly. I did wonder whether they'd stop to clean a blood injury in the EC if one did occur. Didn't on ECW when one of those two gimps busted their noses last week tho.
I don't mind the guest hosts that much, I just wish they'd let Vickie be permanent GM on SD. Maybe they're saving it for post-Mania once Edge is the face champion. She may not have been born a Guerrero, but she sure has the business and that family in her blood now.
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Undertaker v HBK doesn't need a belt for it to be match of the night & match of the year. Undertaker could always lose the belt a bit after WM if need be.
Edge beating Y2J could be the "feelgood" match to send the fans home happy. Mind you, so could Bret Hart winning the gold...
Taker and HBK will be off after WM for 6 months.
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Please make Triple H heal again. Him and Jezza (Jericho, not Jeremy Kyle) are the best heels ever.
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Edge vs Jericho
Cena vs Batista
McMahon Vs Bret (or tag variation of)
Undertaker vs HBK
Orton vs Rhodes vs DiBiase
Its shaping up nicely
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Please make Triple H heal again. Him and Jezza (Jericho, not Jeremy Kyle) are the best heels ever.
I'm ok with him being heel but not if it means 20minute dialogues at the start of each Raw.
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Please make Triple H heal again. Him and Jezza (Jericho, not Jeremy Kyle) are the best heels ever.
I'm ok with him being heel but not if it means 20minute dialogues at the start of each Raw.
I prefer DX Comedy HHH to Lemmy from Motorhead HHH growling "oooh look at me, I'm so tough and scary I need a big sledgehammer to beat people". Although I do prefer his water spitting entrance to the DX one.
Edge is a MUCH better heel than HHH in my opinion, but they'll keep him face for a while. Orton too, but can see them teasing a turn with him too sadly.
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Please make Triple H heal again. Him and Jezza (Jericho, not Jeremy Kyle) are the best heels ever.
I'm ok with him being heel but not if it means 20minute dialogues at the start of each Raw.
I prefer DX Comedy HHH to Lemmy from Motorhead HHH growling "oooh look at me, I'm so tough and scary I need a big sledgehammer to beat people". Although I do prefer his water spitting entrance to the DX one.
Edge is a MUCH better heel than HHH in my opinion, but they'll keep him face for a while. Orton too, but can see them teasing a turn with him too sadly.
Orton as face just seems weird to me. I think that's what's happening though.
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So, NXT is the best WWE tv in years. Who saw that coming?
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I haven't seen it yet, but am hoping to watch both episodes some time today or tomorrow.
My brother had seen the first one and said he wasn't sure about it, but from what little I've read / heard, I really think it could work. The choice of 'superstars' to go with the rookies is shit-hot and that should help.
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It's really rather brilliant, and they're actually playing around with the production, so it feels fresh and new, which for a long-time WWE viewer is quite jarring. Jericho/Bryan had a fab little TV match, too.
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I agree, it was really good. Obviously being set up for Bryan to be the star. Really well done the way they've got him and Miz not seeing eye to eye.
Some of the camera angles where great, and it looked and felt very different tot the standard WWE fodder we get fed every week.
However, one thing that concerns me is the show may lack a sense of direction. There's no element of competiton, even though we've been told there will be a winner. One thought that was going round was haing two winners, one to Raw, one to Smackdown, which could work.
They need to tell us what the competition is, how the rookies are going to be tested and how long the series will last. Otherwise it could get stale and boring quite quickly.
Thought Punk was amazing with his guy, he just seemed so disinterested, which was great. Jericho's guy seems like a bit of a tit aswell.
Other than that though, a good, strong start for NXT. Hopefully it will continue.
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There's no element of competiton, even though we've been told there will be a winner. One thought that was going round was haing two winners, one to Raw, one to Smackdown, which could work.
They need to tell us what the competition is, how the rookies are going to be tested and how long the series will last. Otherwise it could get stale and boring quite quickly.
NOOOOOO. That's "jeopardy". Heard that shite all the time when I was working in "reality" television. Apparently, we, the audience, need "jeopardy" otherwise we will lose interest.
I haven't started watching NXT yet, but I don't need an elimination every week and 15 seconds of close-ups of each competitor's face before they're told (in turn) that they "will be coming back next week" to make me watch. if it's a good programme, I'll watch. If it's another boring "reality" programme with "jeopardy" that will have execs patting each other on the back at how clever they've been, I'll be sorely disappointed.
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Quite. The format is that the Pros vote for which Rookie think should be kept on at the end of the 'season' and they get a Raw contract. I don't think they've quite worked out how long a season is going to be, though. It's got the potential to be brilliant, although Michael Cole's new character is going to quickly become annoying.
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Guy -in that case, you'll be out of luck as there's no imagination there...
Vinny Mac in ANOTHER feud where he'll spit out the words "I hate you". As he's already done against Undertaker, Austin, Rock, HHH, HBK, Hogan, etc.
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Quite. The format is that the Pros vote for which Rookie think should be kept on at the end of the 'season' and they get a Raw contract. I don't think they've quite worked out how long a season is going to be, though. It's got the potential to be brilliant, although Michael Cole's new character is going to quickly become annoying.
A bit like Michael Cole's old character?!
PS - as per your sig, where do I send my shits?
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I see.
I agree with you, Guy. Just wish that had been made more clear.
On another issue, does anyone really want to see Bret vs Vince at Wrestlemania? I don't....
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Quite. The format is that the Pros vote for which Rookie think should be kept on at the end of the 'season' and they get a Raw contract. I don't think they've quite worked out how long a season is going to be, though. It's got the potential to be brilliant, although Michael Cole's new character is going to quickly become annoying.
A bit like Michael Cole's old character?!
PS - as per your sig, where do I send my shits?
No, because this time he's actively trying to be annoying in a heelish way, but he's just annoying in a my-god-he's-so-clueless way. JBL would be great.
Just paypal me over your shits, I'll sort through 'em.
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This week, I have mostly been enjoying the Twitter accounts of popular WWE Superstars, especially the banter between Morrison, Jericho and The Miz. A good, genuine insight into life on the road.
Recommended if you're bored www.twitter.com/iamjericho or realmorrison mikethemiz matthardybrand jeffhardybrand realorton trueedge mickiejamesdiva
Good fun, or maybe I'm just sad.
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I agree with you, Guy. Just wish that had been made more clear.
On another issue, does anyone really want to see Bret vs Vince at Wrestlemania? I don't....
Just watching the start of the 3rd week now and if the show's anything like the first 2, I won't be fast-forwarding a minute of the wrestling or the interviews and I haven't done that with RAW or SmackDown since I got Sky+
I'm loving it because as familiar as I am with WWE and its wrestlers, I don't know a thing about these guys (other than Daniel Bryan) and so the matches and the moves are a genuine surprise to me.
Take Justin Gabriel. Couldn't see him as having any chance in the grand scheme of things. So I check out FCW website and his Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lloyd,_Jr.), and turns out he's the current FCW Champion!
I suppose it's as close to the old weekly WWF Superstars programme where superstars would face jobbers as we're ever likely to return to. And I'm really enjoying it.
But in response to your other question, if Bret and Vince's physical altercations so far are anything to go by, their match at WM will be a horrific blunderfest. So, no, I'm not looking forward to it either.
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Just finished. Think they're pushing Daniel Bryan a bit too fast too soon. People will like him because they dislike Miz but they're going for overkill. No surprise there really, but ought to be more of a slow burner. Sometimes even the WWE audience will do the opposite to what they're told (turning on Rocky Maivia so early on) and there's a danger of them doing this to Bryan and I don't think he's got what Dwayne did to ever overcome that with them.
No Skip Sheffield this week which is a shame (although he was on RAW) as I think he has great comedy value and worked brilliantly on camera with Regal.
I'm convinced Darren Young is Cena with a stupid fake tan. He has to be a shoe-in for Guido Of The Week (http://www.guidofistpump.com/) at some point tho.
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watched some tna last night, damn, come on Ric and Hulk just give it up. Much as I respect you both for carrying and building your respective empires it's painful to watch now, bow with grace and don't destroy your legacy.
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Guy - Vince McMahon should remain firmly behind the scenes. There are so many wrestlers not getting a lookin (eg Shelton Benjamin and the recently released guys such as Burchill, Helms, etc) and VKM is using up valuable airtime. Ok, he's the Chairman, we get it. But in front of the screen, he's just another character. He's just too stale.
Which leads me nicely on to Rc's point. Flair & Hogan need the money as they both have expensive divorces (in the case of Flair, multiple!) to contend with. I watched some of TNA yesterday but gave up after the Sting heel turn.
Still haven't seen NXT but Guy's glowing recommendations mean I might give it a go.
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I read the review of IMPACT online earlier in the week and thought it looked like a good show. Then I watched it and it was pretty much as Tim described the January 4th episode: "clusterfuck".
Tim: I get what you're saying, but the reality is Vince on-screen and in the ring gets a reaction from the public, Shelton and so many others do not. Bizarrely as good as Shelton is, the biggest response he's ever got from the crowd was when "his" Big Momma was aligned with him.
I really wish they'd slow down on TNA, build some of the storylines a bit slower because I'm loving seeing brand new wrestlers and brand new matches and will watch for that alone. I don't need Daniel Bryan to be pushed so hard as a fan favourite when he'll get himself over given the chance to showcase his talents. I fear that I'm not the sort of fan they're trying to please or attract tho, hence the "jeopardy" element discussed a few posts already rearing its very ugly head.
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This week's Raw was great, really enjoyed it.
Was brilliant to see Stone Cold back on Raw, was a little dissapointed not to see him Stun Vince, but hey, you can't have it all.
I thought they made a really good job at promoting Wrestlemania, and all the matches were of a good, strong quality. The idea of Wrestlemania Rewind was great too.
And it was great at the end when Bret took his cast, wonderful stuff.
The guest host thing has been really hit and miss I feel. It seems to work better when it's a former wrestler doing it. It's going through tot he Summer now, and I can't see why, it's largely pointless.
Anyone heard anything on Jeff Hardy? He was in court yesterday.
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Ah man, why didn't I stop reading as soon as I saw you said "this week's RAW"? Stupid, stupid Guy.
My bro texted me the other day to say that WWE has banned chair-shots to the head. I think this and the guest host are just two of the WWE's steps to try to appeal to a younger and more general audience.
Compared to last week's bleedfest on Impact, I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
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Ah man, why didn't I stop reading as soon as I saw you said "this week's RAW"? Stupid, stupid Guy.
My bro texted me the other day to say that WWE has banned chair-shots to the head. I think this and the guest host are just two of the WWE's steps to try to appeal to a younger and more general audience.
Compared to last week's bleedfest on Impact, I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
Isn't that to do with the wellness policy? Because getting hit on the head with a chair isn't a natural impact for the head?
Sorry, Guy. I know it's not the first time this has happened. Hope I didn't spoil it too much...
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My bro texted me the other day to say that WWE has banned chair-shots to the head. I think this and the guest host are just two of the WWE's steps to try to appeal to a younger and more general audience.
Isn't that to do with the wellness policy? Because getting hit on the head with a chair isn't a natural impact for the head?
I'd say it's all part of the same thing, the wellness policy and the broadening of its appeal.
For some years, the only time wrestling has registered in the mainstream media has been for bad news and generally tragic reasons as so many of the wrestlers even I grew up watching have sadly passed away. And I'm fed up of that being the case. I've actually lost track of who has and hasn't passed away and it all became so horifically "normal" and unsurprising.
I'm sure it's no coincidence this change is occurring now as Linda Mac makes a more serious move into politics. But I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I think the WWE crowd got increasingly desensitized to some of the "brutality" on display. NXT feels like somewhat of a nod to the pre-attitude era with the emphasis on wrestling and character-driven storylines. Hence why it seems so fresh at the moment and certainly so enjoyable to me.
I've not been keen on chair shots to the head tho since The Rock handcuffed Mankind and proceeded to swing his way into double fingers. That's just dangerous and wrong.
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I always thought a headshot was 'near' the head, ie hit the ground really hard to make the noise but head untouched. Shows what I know!
Guy, I never read a WWE thread until I think I've caught up with everything first. Oh and I see what you're saying wrt VKM. But it doesn't say much for WWE that they're still relying on a gimmick from 15 years ago. Hell, I'd rather see Vickie Guerrerro more often!
WRESTLEMANIA PREDICTIONS:
WWE Title Match
John Cena vs. Batista --- who cares? Feck it, I'll say Batista.
World Heavyweight Title Match
Edge vs. Chris Jericho ---- Edge, last match of the night. Everybody goes home happy.
Career vs. Streak Match
Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker ---- Undertaker. HBK retires. For a bit.
No Holds Barred Match
Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon ----- Bret! Loads of run ins for this one.
WWE Unified Tag Team Title Match
John Morrison & R-Truth vs. The Miz & Big Show ----- Showmiz
Triple Threat Match
Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Ted DiBiase --- Randy, after Cody swerve.
Street Fight
CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio ---- yawn
Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane vs. Christian vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. MVP vs. Jack Swagger vs. Matt Hardy vs. Evan Bourne vs. Drew McIntyre ---- it should be Shelton, maybe Kane.
Triple H vs. Sheamus ----- Sheamus. HHH doesn't have a great WM record, whereas Sheamus needs putting over.
Token divas match ----- the fit blonde one.
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The Million Dollar Man is back in it? Does he still have Virgil as a bodyguard?
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No, it's his son Ted Jnr. However, Ted Snr was back as a guest host recently. Both Teds were on SSN to promote WM a few weeks ago.
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Is it wrong that my 3.5 year old niece and nephew think that "Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase likes prunes" due to the fact I found a squeezy plastic / rubber face of his in my room a while back?!
I'm not one to make too many WM predictions. My brother and I used to make our predictions for eagh match at a PPV as they started, but fell out of this habit.
I'm really looking forward to this WM (not as much as the one I attened in Orlando 2 years ago and got my Villa / St George's Flag in the openeing sequence for obviously) tho and am quite happy to avoid fan sites and remain as impartial as possible. It really shows how much PPVs benefit with that extra little time to prepare and develop the storylines tho, I think, when you take CM Punk and Mysterio as examples.
This Wm is shaping up to be fantastic. HHH and Orton both WELL out of the main event picture just means those matches instantly get elevated to WAY more important status with the fans. The inevitable Divas match will struggle and will be interested to see what happens with the crowd during Hart vs McMahon, but on the whole, it's looking pretty impressive.
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The Million Dollar Man is back in it? Does he still have Virgil as a bodyguard?
He was the best.
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Less than an hour to go...
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My predictions.
I am just going with this Christian wins MITB, Edge beats Jericho Christian cashes it in wins.
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Good theory, that. Whoever wins MITB might cash in tonight as there'll be a MITB PPV later this year and they can hardly have two MITB winners. So, a Christian heel turn?
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Doesn't having a MITB PPV mess up the whole idea of being able to cash it in at any time?
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I guess you win the MITB main event and THEN cash it in any time?
"The dark match will be a 16 man battle royal. Yoshi Tatsu got the win. We will have more details later on the battle royal. The University of Phoenix Stadium roof is open and it's said to be the most amazing WrestleMania setup ever".
Are you watching it, Ben?
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Haven't watched wrestling for years but quite fancy the Michaels v Undertaker match.
Watching it here (http://www.vip--tv.com/londoner.php) if you're interested.
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Not live but I'm recording it to watch in chunks tomorrow.
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I'm watching it on 't'telly. I've just watched somebody murder the yank national anthem. I'll watch Showmiz beat Punk & Morrison - some of it - then beddiebyes.
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Someone on FB said Duffy was doing it. Might have been bollocks though.
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Not Duffy. It was a black lady and she's won lots of awards according to her intro. No idea what her name is though!
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According to "WrestlingRadio.com" it was the winner of American Idol - Fantasia or something.
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I'm pretty pleased with myself. Managed to stay awake for the whole thing despite having been up since 6 and only had 4 hours sleep the night before that.
Won't post any more yet until I'm sure the usual suspects have finished watching it too.
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Not Duffy. It was a black lady and she's won lots of awards according to her intro. No idea what her name is though!
Saw it, it was awful but 'America the Beautiful' is not their national anthem. Star Spangled Banner is.
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HBK farewell brilliant!
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Not Duffy. It was a black lady and she's won lots of awards according to her intro. No idea what her name is though!
Saw it, it was awful but 'America the Beautiful' is not their national anthem. Star Spangled Banner is.
Do you know, I didn't even listen to it. She offended my ears!
Well, I've seen it through now as well but, like Guy, won't say a word until everyone's had a chance to see it.
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HBK farewell brilliant!
But this could be a give away!
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I just stayed away from the thread until I had seen it. Finished it last night.
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I've seen Raw as well. Who are we waiting for? greenwich villa...
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Wow. That was the worst Wrestlemania in the history of Wrestlemanias. And Bret Hart against Vince McMahon was quite possibly the worst match I have ever seen.
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Wow. That was the worst Wrestlemania in the history of Wrestlemanias. And Bret Hart against Vince McMahon was quite possibly the worst match I have ever seen.
You've not seen many Wrestlemanias, then.
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Wow. That was the worst Wrestlemania in the history of Wrestlemanias. And Bret Hart against Vince McMahon was quite possibly the worst match I have ever seen.
You've not seen many Wrestlemanias, then.
As it happens, no, not really. About 8 or 9. Don't you think it was terrible though? I've not really been watching wrestling regulary for a while and I was still able to predict the winners of most of the matches. I thought most of the matches were mediocre at best.
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I didn't think it was wonderful; HBK/Taker was about what I expected, I enjoyed it, loved the end (it's pretty much what I bought the PPV for). The MitB match was silly, sloppy chaos as ever, it was fun; Punk/Rey could've done with an extra 5-10 mins, but it was a nice preview of things to come from those two. Whoever laid out the Bret match needs to be punched in the throat. Awful, just awful, but when you have a 64 year old man vs a man who might die from a blow to the head, there's not a lot you can expect, but it should've been better. I barely remember the rest, but there were 3 solid matches, so I was happy enough.
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I've seen Raw as well. Who are we waiting for? greenwich villa...
Thank you. Finally saw it last night. Fantastic, really enjoyed. Will watch Raw tonight or tomorrow. It looked like 'Taker really messed up his leg there?
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I've seen Raw as well. Who are we waiting for? greenwich villa...
Thank you. Finally saw it last night. Fantastic, really enjoyed. Will watch Raw tonight or tomorrow. It looked like 'Taker really messed up his leg there?
I wasn't sure if it was planned. Like, to give this years match a different element to last years have Taker hurt his leg early on and then have Michaels go for it.
Either way, great match.
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That last tombstone was fucking brutal/awesome.
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I've seen Raw as well. Who are we waiting for? greenwich villa...
Thank you. Finally saw it last night. Fantastic, really enjoyed. Will watch Raw tonight or tomorrow. It looked like 'Taker really messed up his leg there?
I wasn't sure if it was planned. Like, to give this years match a different element to last years have Taker hurt his leg early on and then have Michaels go for it.
Either way, great match.
I meant the Moonsault at the end.
Overall, thought the whole event was great. Even though it was very forced, it was great to see Bret finally get his revenge on Vince.
I thought all the matches were good, particulary enjoyed the Legacy triple threat.
Does anybody here get Powerslam magazine? Very good Jericho and Dibiase Sr interviews this month.
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I enjoyed WM, but they could have done with removing a match/shortening the Bret/Vince match.
The tag team match was way too short, the divas match was weird. Apart from that, a really solid match. I was hoping Rey would join SES as that would have been an interesting twist.
Apparently, that is the end of the VKM character, so every cloud & all that.
Interesting to see RKO as a face now, not sure that will last too long. If Batista is really taking a sabbatical soon there are too many Raw faces and not enough heels...
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Just watching Raw now, Batista gets on my tits.
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Had to get up early this morning to get my 8 year old nephew tickets for Raw at the LG Arena
Three rows from the ring, he'd better be grateful
Just glad I aint got to go with him :-)
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All the Raw Wrestlers are stuck in Europe apart from from Triple H. Was Basically a Smackdown show last night.
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The best thing about being back at work is that there's about 6 of us who it has become clear are into wrestling and are having an ongoing general discussion not dissimilar to this one.
We're also taking turns to post videos of stuff we like, mine beign a series I've entitled The Daily Book where every day I find something on youtube that demonstrates what a classic comedic actor Booker T is.
Was sent this today tho that I'm just about to watch, a very rare out of character interview with The Undertaker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld8-IDtN9Uo&feature=related). Part 2 is excellent apparently.
EDIT: it's a good few years old as he's only been there for 13 years and so I suspect it'll probably be from during his biker phase. Still intersting tho.
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I sometimes watch the WWE vintage for nostalgia reasons.
When it is something like a Battle Royal or a Royal Rumble I can never help myself going through and counting which ones are now dead though.
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All the Raw Wrestlers are stuck in Europe apart from from Triple H. Was Basically a Smackdown show last night.
It wasn't so bad actually. I enjoyed the opening segment between H & CM Punk. Didn't go much on the main event. It's not so long ago that Edge & H were bitter enemies, injuring each other (kayfabe), etc. Those two should have been kept apart or friendly/hated rivals like Cena & RKO.
Doesn't say much for Carlito that there was essentially only him & H left over from the Raw roster and he was nowhere to be seen. The Sheamus segment was hastily & poorly put together.
The draft can't come soon enough; also split the tag team belts or keep them permanently unified.
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All the Raw Wrestlers are stuck in Europe apart from from Triple H. Was Basically a Smackdown show last night.
It wasn't so bad actually. I enjoyed the opening segment between H & CM Punk. Didn't go much on the main event. It's not so long ago that Edge & H were bitter enemies, injuring each other (kayfabe), etc. Those two should have been kept apart or friendly/hated rivals like Cena & RKO.
Doesn't say much for Carlito that there was essentially only him & H left over from the Raw roster and he was nowhere to be seen. The Sheamus segment was hastily & poorly put together.
The draft can't come soon enough; also split the tag team belts or keep them permanently unified.
Or make them 1 title instead of 2 seperate. ShoMiz = The Greatest Tag Team Of All Time... or at least Bret Hart will hafta admit it now MWUHAHAHAHA
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All the Raw Wrestlers are stuck in Europe apart from from Triple H. Was Basically a Smackdown show last night.
It wasn't so bad actually. I enjoyed the opening segment between H & CM Punk. Didn't go much on the main event. It's not so long ago that Edge & H were bitter enemies, injuring each other (kayfabe), etc. Those two should have been kept apart or friendly/hated rivals like Cena & RKO.
Doesn't say much for Carlito that there was essentially only him & H left over from the Raw roster and he was nowhere to be seen. The Sheamus segment was hastily & poorly put together.
The draft can't come soon enough; also split the tag team belts or keep them permanently unified.
Yeah I enjoyed it as well. Even the "Mcgruber" stuff made me laugh a few times. Thought the Matt Hardy Drew McIntyre match was crap though. And yeah that Opening segment was good but got the feeling that HHH and Punk don't like each other (you know, in real life...)
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Don't know why, but when I used to have Sky, I really used to like watching WWE. I loved watching Triple H and Stephanie's marital problems [yeah, right] being over-acted on television.
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What a brilliant Raw that was!!!
I think they've made some really good decisions with the Draft this year, especially with Edge and Jericho, Raw is where they should be, really.
Great heel turn from Rated R at the end, just as it looked like Orton would nick it.
I didn't get to see Extreme Rules on Sunday, due to a power cut in my house. So was quite suprised to see Orton not as World Heavyweight Champion. The way the fued between him and Swagger had panned out over the past few weeks had me thinking he's be moving over to Smackdown. However, I'm glad that he hasn't.
My predictions now being a fued between The Miz and Morrison and I'm assuming and Orton/Edge fued. I'm now assuming that Batista will beat Cena at the next PPV (No Limits?) and take the WWE Championship back with him to Smackdown and the WHC staying on Raw?
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Scratch what I just said about Batista:
From Wrestling Radio
PWInsider's Mike Johnson is reporting that the word backstage at Extreme Rules in Baltimore is that former WWE Champion Batista is set to leave World Wrestling Entertainment this week to pursue a career in acting. It is believed he was pulled from the production of the upcoming WWE film Killing Karma and replaced by Triple H because the belief was he would not be around once the film is produced and marketed.
Batista was pushed on as one of the last decade’s biggest stars, in the departure of Steve Austin and The Rock. Batista began his WWE career on the May 9, 2002 episode of SmackDown! as Deacon Bautista by the side of Reverend D-Von (Brother Devon Deadly) He went on to find main event success in Evolution which was followed by a successful singles career to present day.
Good, never liked him.
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Money.
Title.
Contract (almost).
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Money.
Title.
Contract (almost).
huh?
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AWESOME Raw this week. Commercial free from Toronto. Won't reveal too much in case anyone hasn't caught up yet, but one of the strongest shows I can remember. Apart from one of the most painful guest hosts yet of course.
In contrast, TNA has gone back to Thursday nights and last week's show really looked to have lost something by losing the live element. They're still trying to shoe-horn too much into a show and then giving away classic matches like RVD vs Hardy vs Styles with no build-up.
They've got an awesome roster but it's still being misused.
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AWESOME Raw this week. Commercial free from Toronto. Won't reveal too much in case anyone hasn't caught up yet, but one of the strongest shows I can remember. Apart from one of the most painful guest hosts yet of course.
In contrast, TNA has gone back to Thursday nights and last week's show really looked to have lost something by losing the live element. They're still trying to shoe-horn too much into a show and then giving away classic matches like RVD vs Hardy vs Styles with no build-up.
They've got an awesome roster but it's still being misused.
Miz is still awesome.
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I stopped watching when they revealed Vicki Guererro as GM.
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You mean last week? Well, she quit later that show, so it's safe to come back out from behind the sofa.
Personally, I LOVE her as GM. She works the crowd brilliantly and has come SO far since she first appeared on tv. Eddie would be proud.
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Vicki Guererro is brilliant.
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Can't stand her. Can't say I've been missing it so I'll leave it until I hear of something that makes me to take a look. I watched most of it at x30 speed any way to be honest - pausing briefly to watch the Diva's and stay up-to-date with the storylines.
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Not seen Over The Limit yet, but Guy, you're right, the commercial free Raw was incredible. Orton's twist on Edge was superb.
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Wade Barrett won NXT anyway.
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This is good, makes it easier to find.
Haven't seen any WWE in weeks, what's going on? I think I might be getting slightly bored of it, again.
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It's not really sport though is it.
lights fuse....
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I really enjoyed the NXT Invasion angle. Reminds me of the ECW/WCW Invasion but I'm interested to see how it will play out. Raw seems to have been a bit better these last few weeks.
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You still here, VS?
Got a text from my bro last night saying how good the end to RAW was. I'm a week behind but heard similar stuff from one of my fellow wrestling freaks at work and couldn't wait so got someone to share the links below with me.
If you haven't already seen what TimVilla wrote above, don't scroll up, just hit these links and watch:
Part 13 of 14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxKlRGXwrMA)
Part 14 of 14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyk6gl8AMvk)
I LOVED it for so many reasons. Totally unexpected.
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Guy, did you notice that they didn't attack Michael Cole...? ;o)
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Makes me laugh when you see fully grown men and women at these events looking like they're in complete shock. You can still enjoy it when you know it's storylined and that a lot of the moves are fake and you expect kids to fully believe it but to see some of the images of adults in that second video is just funny.
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Makes me laugh when you see fully grown men and women at these events looking like they're in complete shock. You can still enjoy it when you know it's storylined and that a lot of the moves are fake and you expect kids to fully believe it but to see some of the images of adults in that second video is just funny.
I'm a fairly intelligent bloke (don't believe what CV or VillaVA might try and tell you) and I've been watching wrestling for almost 20 years, but there are still things that can surprise me. The way they handled this week's ending of RAW being a good example.
That being said I doubt I've ever exhibited the look of true shock you're probably talking about (because I DO know what you mean) but it doesn't make me laugh, more disappointed that some people really do seem to be as stupid as I suspect.
TimVilla: my brother mentioned it. Will be interesting to see whether he's supposed to have run scared from Daniel Bryan et al or whether he'll prove to be part of the faction. Would set up well for JR's return at some point then.
It's nice to have our WWE thread back and things worthy of discussion, isn't it?
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It's not the type of surprise where there's a plot twist. I mean the real look of concern on the faces of 3 people as they saw Cena carried off. You would think a repeat of the Owen Hart incident had happened or something.
I thought Michael Cole was found underneath the Commentator's desk when they pulled it up.
I haven't been watching for a while - what has Cena done to ensure that nobody from the Raw locker room came running out to help him?
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Bryan Danielson has been fired from WWE... For strangling (kayfabe) a colleague with a tie. A senior exec within WWE complained that kids might try to copy it. So, there'll be no more clotheslines, low blows, poke to the eyes, elbow drops, etc...
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The Attitude/Monday Night Wars was the best era and now all they seem to want to do is make everything PG. They will end up losing massive amounts of ground to the UFC.
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They've been PG for quite a while and merchandise sales seem as strong as ever. PPV buyrates are down, but perhaps that's more due to streaming than PG? PG hasn't had as much of an impact as I feared it would.
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Bryan Danielson has been fired from WWE... For strangling (kayfabe) a colleague with a tie. A senior exec within WWE complained that kids might try to copy it. So, there'll be no more clotheslines, low blows, poke to the eyes, elbow drops, etc...
That was my single favourite moment of last week's invasion. In a world of PG (which I don't actually have a problem with), it was as brutal as they could get and stood out as a result. It was raw (pun intended), it was real.
Looks like it might be a temporary thing. Pressure from the network or someone high up. As you rightly say, Tim, if they're worried about someone being strangled with a tie, then it will be interesting to see what else people get sacked for in future.
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"World Wrestling Entertainment was informed Friday morning by Lance McNaught’s father that he has passed away of apparent heart failure. WWE extends its deepest condolences to the McNaught family.”
“Mr. McNaught was under contract from March 2003 to October 2008 and performed under the name “Lance Cade.” He returned to FCW, WWE’s developmental territory, in September 2009, and was released in April 2010.”
“Lance Cade” is currently the top trending Twitter topic in the United States
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No, no, no. Not going to let this drop off the first page. Especially after a REALLY good Monday Night Raw. For the first time in AGES, there wasn't a single segment I fast forwarded through.
Nice to see some of those below the main event level get some good tv time and a nice main event set-up for the Night of Champions PPV.
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I'll keep talking to myself if I have to to keep this thread alive... but after a great RAW to set up for Night of Champions, I thought they really hit the ball out the park with the PPV itself. Certainly didn't do it any harm being in Chicago. Damn, that crowd were hot and for every single match. Won't say any more in case anyone hasn't caught it yet.
I HAVE TO go to a Chi-town PPV at some point soon. Only thing is, that will probably then mean I've done all the PPV things I really want to and not sure I want to do that.
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the return of Paul Bearer (http://www.suite101.com/content/wwe-smackdown-results-september-24-2010-paul-bearer-returns-a289770)!
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Is there a video clip of that? I used to love the days when it was Undertaker and Paul Bearer.
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Guy, would you like to see John Cena join Nexus? It would freshen things up a little.
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I knew I'd be able to tempt you back in sooner or later, Tim! Did you see the pre-NOC RAW and the PPV itself? I reckon the shows and cards have been as strong as they have been in years.
I think they're a bit stuck where to go with NEXUS right now. Vince is disappointed with the t-shirt sales and the general reaction, but they should have put the tag belts on Justin Gabriel and whoever it was he used to tag with in FCW (or maybe Tarver and Otunga) a week or two after their initial invasion in my opinion. Start to push them taking over the whole show.
Have a face US Champ having to defend against a NEXUS challenger almost on a weekly basis, wearing them down would also have worked. I think they've missed the chance to really push them as a group and are already looking at ways of splitting them up.
I just can't see Cena working as a heel tho and can't see any good reason to push him as such. I might not like him, but I LOVE the mixed reaction he gets at live events and I think it always makes for a better experience and match as a result.
As an example, Summerslam 92, the match I remember most wasn't the Hart-Smith main event where the crowd was obviously partisan, it was Savage-Warrior where the crowd was split and REALLY hot.
Had a little scout about online and no clear inkling as to what the Cena-Nexus plans are. Maybe an unwilling member of them for a bit is on the cards, much as HBK's subservience to JBL a couple of years ago.
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Anyone else think Miz might cash in his Money in the Bank contract this sunday? He doesn't have a match and would make a lot of sense as Cena keeps telling Barrett he's going to beat him up after the match.
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I think Cena turns heel tonight. We know the story will finish at the Rumble, so the only way to keep it alive is for Cena to turn and support Barrett. The first thing they'll do is kick Otunga out and then they'll both be against RKO...
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As much as I would love to see it I just can't see Cena turning heel. Here are my Survivor series predictions anyway.
Daniel Bryan to beat Ted Dibiase
Dolph Ziggler to beat Kaval
Team Del Rio to beat Team Mysterio
Sheamus to beat John Morrison
Nexus to beat Santino and Kozlov
Laycool to beat Natalya
Kane to beat Edge
Barret to beat Orton, Miz doesn't cash in despite the rumours, no heel turn for Cena
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FORTY in the Royal Rumble this year! I suppose it's to accommodate Nexus. The Rumble is my second favourite ppv, after The Big Dance. HBK going in to the Hall of Fame; things are warming up nicely!
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I've cancelled my Sky Sports subscription so am currently keeping up-to-date thanks to the excellent ewrestlingnews website. Sounds like I'm missing some quality CMPunk on RAW. Really need to conveniently bump into my neighbour and offer him Ł5 per month to piggy back his broadband. The dongle I've got from 3 is alright, but 5GB per month is nowhere near enough to browse and watch as much crap as I do!
Good for you for resurrecting the thread tho, TimVilla! Oh and you REALLY need to experience the Rumble in person. Cena getting eliminated and Benoit winning it in 2004 was good, but Taker and Michaels finishing the 2007 event (even if HBK's missed superkick was slightly botched) was awesome.
I'm not a Cena fan, but even I jumped up out my chair for his unexpected return in MSG the following year. And I was watching that live at my brother's place. Well, we had to, we were heading over for Mania just two short months later and that's where The Road begins!
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Guy M, I always watch Smackdown and Raw on youtube the day after.Just type what date it was on and click one of the "HQ" ones.
SO glad Cm Punk is back doing his thing and looking forward to seeing what happens at the Rumble (As long as this 40 man thing is just a one off)
Would love to see Del Rio or Wade Barrett win it. Or even Kane, let's face it, he's earned it. But I've got a very strong feeling it will go to a returning Triple H.
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A friend told me about desirulez (http://www.desirulez.net/wrestling/) a few months back and that site has been one of the main reasons I finally decided to get rid of Sky Sports. I'd rather spend more money on the WWE merchandise direct and line Vince's pockets (and subsidise Linda's next election campaign) that way than through their association with Sky. The only problem is the mobile broadband allowance as I'm in a rented flat without a landline.
I really don't think they'll waste it on Triple H. He's got a Mania feud with Sheamus to look forward to or the possibility of a match with Taker. I'd really like to see them elevate someone, similar to the way they've done with The Miz and his MITB opportunity.
That or put over one of the special surprise guest entrants like the Brooklyn Brawler.
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Yeah the more I think about it the more I think they'll probably do something with Triple H and Sheamus at the Rumble, have them eliminate each other and then brawl outside the ring for example. I'm oficially changing my prediction to CM Punk but that may change. Tough one to call this year imo.
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Booker T & Kevin Nash back tonight...? That'll ruin TNA's MEM reunion.
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Won't reveal any spoilers but I thought the Rumble match was AWESOME. Some great booking and the extra 10 competitors really allowed the writers to have some very different sections to it.
Interesting and unconnected video that runs on RAW the following night: LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyC-eKXmdek)
Is Sting coming to WWE after all?!
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Finally the Rock has come back to the WWE, awesome.
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Him vs Cena would be amazing, similar crowd reaction to Rock vs Hogan. Suspect he'll just end up refereeing Cena vs Miz instead which is a shame.
Reckon he's a shoe-in for Hall of Fame in Miami next year. My brother and I are already making plans to go!
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*spoiler free post!*
WWE is on a seriously hot streak at the moment. They're really pushing this year's Road to Wrestlemania. Rock's appearance on RAW was the start. REALLY enjoyed Elimination Chamber and the RAW the following night was even better.
Starting to wish I was going to Hot-lanta now!
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*another spoiler free post!*
at least until someone else turns up who says they've seen Mania and are ready to discuss what they thought of it too!
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I have, interesting in places.
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I can't believe that I missed The Rock's return to wrestling! I'm getting the last Wrestlemania on DVD, and thats that.
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*Spoiler Alert*
Next year's Mania main event has already been decided, and it's Cena vs The Rock.
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I really enjoyed WM. It wasn't the best of all time; I wouldn't have used Snooki, I'd have made the 8 man tag longer and shortened certain ring entrances. The Snoop skit was crap. HHH v Undertaker match was brilliant, but seemed to end quickly. I wonder if Undertaker was legit injured? Miz v Cena was ok, but predictable.
My prediction were almost all wrong. I had predicted HHH to turn heel, using a hammer and HBK stopping him. I also thought ADR would beat Edge and that Christian would turn heel.
Rey v Rhodes - who cares?
Snooki match - waste of time
Where was the Sheamus/Bryan match?
Punk v Orton was very good.
Now, just three weeks to put the next ppv together...!
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I was actually pleasantly surprised by the Rhodes Mysterio match. I wouldn’t have minded the Snooki thing had they made it all about Morrison and Ziggler but they didn’t which is a shame. Also gutted that Del Rio didn’t beat Edge but I don’t think Edge had ever won a world title match at WM before so I guess it was his turn.
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I really enjoyed WM. It wasn't the best of all time; I wouldn't have used Snooki, I'd have made the 8 man tag longer and shortened certain ring entrances. The Snoop skit was crap. HHH v Undertaker match was brilliant, but seemed to end quickly. I wonder if Undertaker was legit injured? Miz v Cena was ok, but predictable.
My prediction were almost all wrong. I had predicted HHH to turn heel, using a hammer and HBK stopping him. I also thought ADR would beat Edge and that Christian would turn heel.
Rey v Rhodes - who cares?
Snooki match - waste of time
Where was the Sheamus/Bryan match?
Punk v Orton was very good.
Now, just three weeks to put the next ppv together...!
I had almost completely the opposite reaction and was quite disappointed. As it started, I was gutted I wasn't there. By the end, I was relieved I hadn't spent the money.
I can understand why they used Snooki (MASSIVE mainstream exposure) and to be fair to the girl, live in front of 71,000 people, she stepped up and delivered a difficult double back flip and basically all that was asked of her.
I thought Taker - HHH was poor, but strangely didn't expect any better. Knew it wouldn't live up to the hype. The end REALLY annoyed me tho. Taker being carried out on a normal stretcher sucked b*lls. Why not have the druids come out and carry him out? Would have made much more sense as far as the character was concerned and could effectively have had him retire then and there.
The PPV as a whole was a bit of a bored blur to be honest. The following night's RAW was good tho and the Cena - Rock set-up for WM28 is interesting. Guess Rock will go Hall of Fame the night before, seeing as it's in his old stomping-ground. The making of plans for our trip to another Mania has definitely started now!
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I think the reason that Taker wasn't carried out, etc. was because he genuinely collapsed! Equally, I don't expect to see him back this year.
I came on here to say how surprised I was that Edge had retired. Christian the top face on Smackdown then...?!
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Bit of surprise Edge was forced to retire, but good career.
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I think the reason that Taker wasn't carried out, etc. was because he genuinely collapsed! Equally, I don't expect to see him back this year.
I came on here to say how surprised I was that Edge had retired. Christian the top face on Smackdown then...?!
Either that or because the casket they were going to take him out in had been flattened by the Clydesdale horse that HHH was going to ride to the ring. It's been a VERY strange week in wrestling.
The Edge thing is a MASSIVE shock and disappointment. It's a shame he went out as a face because, like Orton, his best work was as a conniving heel. All set up for Christian to step straight into his place, although I think SmackDown should have a heel champ right now and Del Rio is the obvious candidate.
Can see Edge making a great GM, but suspect he'll want to step back for a short while first.
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I really enjoyed E&C, so everything he did after that I loved automatically! In fact, I think Lita should have been allowed one last run as a face before leaving. Look at how Batista left. And JBL. I wouldn't wish the same on Edge.
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JBL's departure was a huge shock, but a real sign of the man he was. Gave no inkling he was going, but went out at the biggest stage of all MASSIVELY putting over his biggest wrestling friend. Think they missed a trick with it tho, because I assumed the "I quit" thing was the start of a storyline, not the end of a career.
I LOVED Batista's departure. Having been such a domineering bully in the months that preceded his departure, it was really funny to see him supposedly banged up in that wheelchair, whining like a spoilt child. There's no way they'd have got him to do anything he really didn't want to, so I ended up with more respect for Batista the performer than I previously had.
Am really disappointed to see Edge retire, but rather he did so now than the possible alternative. Hogan's comments on Twitter have been interesting tho. Almost as if he was trying to encourage him to carry on somewhere (TNA) that might legally allow him to do so. Weird.
Fully expect Del Rio to beat Christian for the vacant title now. As much as I love Captain Charisma, I wanted to see him 'earn' his title run rather than being handed it like a "with sympathy" card and I haven't seen anything in the way WWE has used him since his return to suggest they considered him worthy of a World Championship.
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R-Truth in WWE title match at Extreme Rules?! How did that happen? What happened to his NXT guy?
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I met Christian just over a year ago and he was a dick. It was at a signing session and he was miserable as fuck. Michelle McCool was there too - surprisingly butch! Great body though. ;o)
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R-Truth in WWE title match at Extreme Rules?! How did that happen? What happened to his NXT guy?
Word is it should have been JoMo, but he's not very popular after WM.
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Money In The Bank. As Joey Styles would say... OH MY GOD!
I SO need to go to a Chicago PPV.
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Money in the Bank has revived my love of wrestling, without a doubt the best Pay-Per-View WWE has put on in years, and the best main event since Benoit v Triple H v HBK in 2004.
I think (hope) the story will end in punk staying with WWE.
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jerry lawler had a heart attack while comnentating on raw last night. Genuine, not storyline
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...does anyone still post here? I'd love to make this an active thread where we can all discuss happenings each week.
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Well I've actually gained a bit more of an interest in it again lately. It's interesting having Ryback taken out by the three new guys. CM Punk is a great champion as well. Ziggler and Sandow to be the next stars. Can't stand Del Rio.
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Well I've actually gained a bit more of an interest in it again lately. It's interesting having Ryback taken out by the three new guys. CM Punk is a great champion as well. Ziggler and Sandow to be the next stars. Can't stand Del Rio.
Can see Ziggler having a run as champion but after a face turn (probably at tlc, cashing in on big show), Sandow seems some way off to me, putting him with Cody Rhodes is a good move a good run in the tag division would build his heat for a singles run next year