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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: D.boy on October 09, 2006, 08:46:16 PM
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Enks due to the howler against b.lose. ](*,)
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Villa's worst Glove-meister in the last 3 decades
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Nigel Spink has a place in Villa legend. At his best he was stupendous, and I was nearly lynched at Millwall once when I suggested to the booing boneheads that they'd never, ever again have a European Cup winner in their side...
But I remember some awful performances. Great goalkeeping is about consistency but Spinky hit terrible lows at times.
Maybe I'm being unfair, wouldn't be the first time
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Nigel Spink has a place in Villa legend. At his best he was stupendous, and I was nearly lynched at Millwall once when I suggested to the booing boneheads that they'd never, ever again have a European Cup winner in their side...
But I remember some awful performances. Great goalkeeping is about consistency but Spinky hit terrible lows at times.
Maybe I'm being unfair, wouldn't be the first time
Agreed
I was just too scared to include Spink on my list for fear of being lynched.
can we ignore this post and use my other one? I forgot to include Postma in this poll and didn't know how to edit it properly
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Nigel Spink has a place in Villa legend. At his best he was stupendous, and I was nearly lynched at Millwall once when I suggested to the booing boneheads that they'd never, ever again have a European Cup winner in their side...
But I remember some awful performances. Great goalkeeping is about consistency but Spinky hit terrible lows at times.
Maybe I'm being unfair, wouldn't be the first time
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David Platt against Arsenal at Highbury? A truly comical performance. 8-[
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David Platt against Arsenal at Highbury? A truly comical performance. 8-[
Good shout!!!
Now, for the last bastard time, can we ignore this post please. I forgot to add Stefan..................
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Who was it came on when Oakes got sent off at Blackburn and looked terrified every time the ball came near?
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Enks due to the howler against b.lose. ](*,)
Seconded.
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Who was it came on when Oakes got sent off at Blackburn and looked terrified every time the ball came near?
That was Adam Rachel. That was the only game he played for Villa wasn't it?
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Who was it came on when Oakes got sent off at Blackburn and looked terrified every time the ball came near?
Yep, Adam Rachel.
A truely classic "rabbit in the headlights" performance, but to be fair he made a couple of sharp saves in the match.
He's still at Moor Green I believe.
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Who was it came on when Oakes got sent off at Blackburn and looked terrified every time the ball came near?
That was Adam Rachel. That was the only game he played for Villa wasn't it?
Last seen between the sticks for the mighty Moor Green.
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David Platt against Arsenal at Highbury? A truly comical performance. 8-[
Crikey, I'd forgotten that!
It truly was an awful display from Platty, he looked like a tiny little boy between the posts.
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Adam Rachel looked quite scary without his teeth in, Villa have done quite well for keepers over the years, it has to be Enckelman though for obvious reasons.
I met Neil Cox in a Southampton night club after his spell in the sticks, I told him he had found his position and his reply was "I'm boloxed I am", I know all the stars me.
That Soton game was the fancy dress pitch invasion, I believe the Police are still looking for a Mr. Batman for various crimes.
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I partially forgive Enkleman for that howler 'cos it was as much a bad refereeing descision as it was a clanger dropped. That goal should never have stood.
Calamity James was the worst keeper I have ever seen for the villa. The only England shirt that ****** should have ever worn was the one he brought at JJB Sports.
Why wasn't Jim "The boot" Coombes included in that list?
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Jim Cumbes played for Villa in 1972-73.
If the criteria for this thread was worst Villa keeper you have ever seen, it would have to be a toss-up between:
Tommy Hughes.... the 'keeper signed from Chelsea in 1971, who kept dropping the ball but who also made some spectacular reflex saves, famously in a third division match with Notts County that was vital to our promotion, when he saves a penalty, and ironically was one of the last games he played to be replaced by..... Jim Cumbes.
John Phillips....signed by Tommy Docherty from Shrewsbury, but was far too slight to be a 'keeper, although again made superb reflex saves, he also used to drop the ball. Went on to sign for Chelsea and played for England at Under 23 level I think.
I also remember when I was a little kid Colin Withers having a few 'mares...particularly one game when he punched the ball in his own net.
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I've gone for Oakes. I know Enckleman made That mistake, but at the same time he made some class saves. I remember one game, may have been Graham Taylors first match against Chelsea when we drew 1-1 against them, and he made a series of spectacular saves. I never saw Oakes do anything out of the ordinary and haven't even after he left Villa.
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Its got to be Jake Findlay surely its got to be jake Findlay .. yes/no
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Why wasn't Jim "The boot" Coombes included in that list?
Cos Jim Cumbes played for us over 30 years ago
Jake Findlay - nice hair do, I'd forgotten about him
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Why wasn't Jim "The boot" Coombes included in that list?
Cos Jim Cumbes played for us over 30 years ago
Jake Findlay - nice hair do, I'd forgotten about him
Fuck me, i'm getting way too old! :(
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If it's our worst keeper ever it's Evan Williams.
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Jake Findlay was okay. In the same way Ivor Linton was. I'd have thought Lee Butler would be in with a shout. But Kevin Poole probably. Oh, and John Burridge was sold for constantly shipping goals, so...charachter or not, and going just for first-team keepers it has to be Budgie.
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If it's our worst keeper ever it's Evan Williams.
Yes, he was truly awful, but only on loan from Wolves if my memory serves.
Another loan 'keeper from the same period was even more awful, a Scottish International.
But I suppose he's exempt because he never actually played a first team game in his loan period.
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Jim Cumbes played for Villa in 1972-73.
He did, in fact he also was our keeper in the 74/75 season, winning a League Cup medal. Did he make any appearances in our first season back in the old First Division, or was Budgie signed pre-season - memory playing tricks again.
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David Platt against Arsenal at Highbury? A truly comical performance.
Not sure that's quite fair. As I recall the game was over by the time he put the gloves on. 5-0 and I think he only let one goal in...
At least he had the bottle to do it. If your son did the same for the under-10's you'd expect him to get man of the match.
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Jim Cumbes played for Villa in 1972-73.
He did, in fact he also was our keeper in the 74/75 season, winning a League Cup medal. Did he make any appearances in our first season back in the old First Division, or was Budgie signed pre-season - memory playing tricks again.
Buridge was signed a couple of months in I think.
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Jake Findlay was okay. In the same way Ivor Linton was. I'd have thought Lee Butler would be in with a shout. But Kevin Poole probably. Oh, and John Burridge was sold for constantly shipping goals, so...charachter or not, and going just for first-team keepers it has to be Budgie.
I thought nobody was going to mention Burridge.
He was a decent shotstopper but went missing whenever a cross came into the box.
And I'm afraid Les Sealey, God rest his soul, was equally poor.
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David Platt against Arsenal at Highbury? A truly comical performance.
Not sure that's quite fair. As I recall the game was over by the time he put the gloves on. 5-0 and I think he only let one goal in...
At least he had the bottle to do it. If your son did the same for the under-10's you'd expect him to get man of the match.
If my Son did it for the under 10's there would be trouble Damon, he's nearly 14.
I was only joking about Platty. The game had already gone and he got tremendous support from the Villa fans. The loudest cheer of the day was when he managed to catch the ball. O:)
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Oakes? Who said Oakes? You're mad, fella - he was great in the air. Granted his shot-stopping wasn't superb, but he was a long way ahead of all the other 'keepers on that list in terms of quality if you ask me.
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I've gone for Oakes... I never saw Oakes do anything out of the ordinary and haven't even after he left Villa.
You wasn't at the game against Everton in the mid- (or late-)1990s where he pulled out a diving left-handed save in the second minute in front of the Holte that was so good the crowd were still applauding it three minutes later, then?
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No I wasn't. And out of the list given I've seen James, Oakes, Enckleman and Posthma. I'll stick with Oakes I think, Asthma played well the one time I saw him.
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No I wasn't. And out of the list given I've seen James, Oakes, Enckleman and Posthma. I'll stick with Oakes I think, Asthma played well the one time I saw him.
That's an poorly conceived nickname. You've actually managed to keep just four of the letters in his name. That's like me calling Oakes 'Snake' ;)
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No I wasn't. And out of the list given I've seen James, Oakes, Enckleman and Posthma. I'll stick with Oakes I think, Asthma played well the one time I saw him.
That's an poorly conceived nickname. You've actually managed to keep just four of the letters in his name. That's like me calling Oakes 'Snake'.
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I think you need to have a little recount there Splat :smt002 . 5 out of 7 ain't bad.
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Oakes? Who said Oakes? You're mad, fella - he was great in the air. Granted his shot-stopping wasn't superb, but he was a long way ahead of all the other 'keepers on that list in terms of quality if you ask me.
I once spoke to Dermot Gallagher who said that Villa fans still didn't like him for sending off Oakes at Blackburn - the handball outside the area that wasn't. He said almost pleadingly, 'It wasn't me who gave it it was the lineman. But they still blame me'. He also said that he was a Villa fan as a kid and used to go to games. Started to like him then. I spoke to hi, Mark Halsey, and another ref-who I can't rememebr coming back from Zagreb I think. They'd been reffing a European game. Actually, there was a 4th one too who was a real laugh but I can't rememebr him either. All I can remember was Gallagher was okay. It was just after -if you can remember- he only booked Beckham at Man U for pushing some Leeds player in the chest/head are, and the player went down like a sack of spuds. There had been a big debate about whether it should have been a red for days in the press. Fair play to him, I took the piss, he took it well, then he explained his decision and he was good to talk to. Mark Halsey, however, was a prick.
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I think you need to have a little recount there Splat :smt002 . 5 out of 7 ain't bad.
It's still a shite nickname, I've always preferred to call him The Ringmaster.
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Who was it came on when Oakes got sent off at Blackburn and looked terrified every time the ball came near?
That was Adam Rachel. That was the only game he played for Villa wasn't it?
Last seen between the sticks for the mighty Moor Green.
Wasn't he last seen when his missus accused him of beating her up or am I thinking of someone else?
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Who was it came on when Oakes got sent off at Blackburn and looked terrified every time the ball came near?
That was Adam Rachel. That was the only game he played for Villa wasn't it?
Last seen between the sticks for the mighty Moor Green.
Wasn't he last seen when his missus accused him of beating her up or am I thinking of someone else?
According to that excellent newspaper, The Sunday Mercury. :-k
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Who was it came on when Oakes got sent off at Blackburn and looked terrified every time the ball came near?
That was Adam Rachel. That was the only game he played for Villa wasn't it?
Last seen between the sticks for the mighty Moor Green.
Wasn't he last seen when his missus accused him of beating her up or am I thinking of someone else?
According to that excellent newspaper, The Sunday Mercury. :-k
That was Matthew Ghent. The Muckraker piece was laughable as I recall, referring to him as a "former Villa star" when the word "employee" would have been nearer the mark. I don't think he ever even made the bench.
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Oakes? Who said Oakes? You're mad, fella - he was great in the air. Granted his shot-stopping wasn't superb, but he was a long way ahead of all the other 'keepers on that list in terms of quality if you ask me.
On the contrary, the Michael Oakes I remember was an excellent shot stopper but was too timid to command the box. Coming for crosses wasn't his forte at all.
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Schmeichel was crap for us. Unless the shot was straight at him. His performance away at Blackburn was embarrassing.
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When Schmeichel rolled in...
in the mini cooper we thought O.K.
Great keeper,nice bit of business for The Villa !
phoned and texted all my Newton Heath mates !!!!
all gloryhunters !!
Did i pay for That !!!!
He was crap... and that is that..
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Jake Findlay who I remember seeing play for us at Old Trafford one year has just been sacked as assistant manager at Stourport Swifts, obviously still waiting for his shot at the big time.
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I voted for Enks, though in fairness he did have his moments such as the 2-2 away to West Ham in 02-03, the result that probably kept us up.
I don't think we've really had any genuinely bad keepers in the 20 years I've followed Villa.
Bish
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John Phillips just gets the vote over Tommy Hughes. John dunn was not to clever either
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Good shout on Tommy Hughes, he used to be brilliant at stopping shots then literally dropped the ball right in front of the goal, he was superb one minute and useless the next in that famous Notts County match, culminating in saving a penalty.
John Dunn was too small to be a 'keeper, again quite a good shot stopper but useless at commanding his box.
John Phillips had a brilliant debut then went a bit downhill but was transferred to Chelsea at a higher level, he also had a problem with crosses.
Jimmy Cumbes also used to drop the ball a lot, check out YouTube and the Albion game when he let Tony Brown's shot through his hands in front of the Holte.
Colin Withers also was prone to the odd mistake, I remember he punched the ball in his own net from a corner in the only goal of a game, I think against Blackburn.
But all of the above used to get quite a lot of practice, when we were pretty crap.
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If we're going back more than 30 years, the award of worst keeper must go to Evan Williams, who kept goal in the early part of the season we were relegated to the old third division.
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Well remembered, Ian....they got him from Wolves on loan for a month, he was pretty awful.
Anybody remember Graham Moseley..signed on loan from Derby I think, he was pretty dire too.
We also signed Blues goalie Jim Herriott on loan around the third division time...thankfully he did'nt play in the first team or this poll would have a clear winner !
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Did Lee Butler ever play for us? I'm sure Spink was ever present in 87-88.
Can anyone tell me why Poole had a run of games at the end of seasons 85-86 and 86-87? Was Spink injured, out of form? The first time round, results seemingly improved.
As someone else has said, we've done ok for keepers. Nobody mentioned Kiraly?
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Lee Butler definitely played a few games, I will go for Kiraly though
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Lee Butler didn't play enough games to be the worst keeper. In fact, the only memory of him I have is when he booted the ball up front and we scored from his assist.
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Schmeichel was utter, utter shit for us. Enckleman cost us against Blues. Schmeichel, in the second half of his season at the club, was costing us in every game.
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Tommy Hughes for me too, heart in the mouth every time the ball went near him. Bit surprised to see Juggling Jim Cumbes in the line-up. I know he made a few blunders but I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that in terms of goals conceded to games played he has statistically been our most successful keeper
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Good shout on Tommy Hughes, he used to be brilliant at stopping shots then literally dropped the ball right in front of the goal, he was superb one minute and useless the next in that famous Notts County match, culminating in saving a penalty.
John Dunn was too small to be a 'keeper, again quite a good shot stopper but useless at commanding his box.
John Phillips had a brilliant debut then went a bit downhill but was transferred to Chelsea at a higher level, he also had a problem with crosses.
Jimmy Cumbes also used to drop the ball a lot, check out YouTube and the Albion game when he let Tony Brown's shot through his hands in front of the Holte.
Colin Withers also was prone to the odd mistake, I remember he punched the ball in his own net from a corner in the only goal of a game, I think against Blackburn.
But all of the above used to get quite a lot of practice, when we were pretty crap.
I think that's a bit unfair on Colin Withers. He was an excellent 'keeper in an appallingly bad team. Some games were more like shots-in for the opposition, so it was inevitable that he'd let some in. You're right about him punching the ball into his own net though. It was directly from a corner at the Holte end. It turned out to be his last game and he was sold rather unexpectedly.
John Dunn was just a very poor 'keeper and Jimmy Coombes couldn't go for a whole match without racing out of his goal and leaping for a high ball, only to see it sail over his fingertips.
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Lee Butler?
one of Graham Taylors poorer 'prospect' signings