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Author Topic: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread  (Read 9588 times)

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #225 on: December 08, 2019, 11:25:25 PM »
my own target was to be out of the bottom 3 after the Leicester game and we are, just

I'm with ya John, but does that really cut the mustard? I'm not sure tbh, but I doubt our owners will be as acceptant of our present sitch. We're increasingly looking like a side that failed to gain automatic promotion for obvious reasons... 

What was the target then? Top half? 12-14th would be a more than decent season in my book especially if we finished 5-10 points clear of bottom 3 in the end.

Just being happy with 17th means the scrap could well go to the last game of the season and I'd rather avoid all that unbearable tension.

Ultimately 100m might seem a lot of money to us but it's pretty much pocket money in premier league. If we're saying we should be finishing high up in the table because of that what about all the established prem teams who've spent double or triple that over the time we've been away.

West Ham and Everton spent double what we have and both are barely above us in the league.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #226 on: December 08, 2019, 11:50:54 PM »
A really, really disappointing day. An awful game and a flat tyre on the way home so Iím not in a great mood.

Too many players below par today resulting in an awful performance. A few random points:

Mings should have gone off as soon as his hamstring went. Early on he also gave Leicester a chance by failing to clear at left back.
Our midfield is lightweight defensively. Leicester hunted us down and we were too slow to move the ball on
Our crosses often fail to beat the first man and we cannot just rely on Hourihane to play a dangerous ball, others need to improve their delivery
Our wingers donít work hard enough. I saw both El Ghazi and Trezeguet ( even though he only played 30 minutes)  ambling back whilst their opponents were hurtling towards our half / goal. Contrast with the incredible work ethic and desire of Leicester
Teams that stop us playing from the back know we have to pass back to Heaton for a hoof. I estimate we win 1 in 5-6 of these and surrender possession
McGinn  is a shadow of himself. Looks like he needs a rest.
Leicester are a top class team. They were faster, better organised and more creative than us. One who impressed me was Chilwell. Wasnít too sure of him but he was excellent defensively and going forward. He won every header against AEG despite Anwar looking taller.
Maddison did to us what Jack often does - looked for goals and got them.
Vardy reminds me of Ian Rush - chases everything, hassles defenders, great pace and a deadly finisher

Like I said, a shit day



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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #227 on: December 08, 2019, 11:51:29 PM »
Yes, £100m doesnít get you very much these days. We had to spend that money just to plug the gaps and re-balance our squad.

Wesley feels like he isnít justifying his price tag, but Leicester spent £27m on a striker three years ago, who only managed 8 goals in 35 EPL games over 2 seasons for them. They also spent £17m on a striker at the same time who only managed 2 in 21.

Clubs who have been in the division whilst we werenít (with a few notable exceptions) have spent enormous amounts of money.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #228 on: December 08, 2019, 11:54:21 PM »
ĎFansí. Lol.

Ha ha yeah!

I remember all those great teams across the world winning trophies left right and centre because Ďfansí pulled together. ĎFansí pulling together never won anything.

Sorry for using the term but glad I amused you. ĎSupportersí, Ďunrealistic moaning negative gitsí whatever suits instead of fans then. The idea that people watching inside the stadium canít have a positive or negative influence on the team is bizarre. I donít care if youíve been going to villa park for 5 mins or 50 years, if you believe none of us helped villa over the line last season then Iím not sure why you bother going if you do go.

In that case, youíve all been responsible for the disasters over the seasons.

Works both ways.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #229 on: December 09, 2019, 01:41:21 AM »
This was always going to be a very difficult game, but regardless I expect every player to play like a professional Premier League player not the old, fat bloke from the pub team. Heaton is the only one to come out of that with any credibility (including the management). It was men vs boys. Not good enough.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #230 on: December 09, 2019, 01:54:03 AM »
I remember all those great teams across the world winning trophies left right and centre because Ďfansí pulled together. ĎFansí pulling together never won anything.

Absolutely.

How incredibly pompous must someone be to think a club's success was ever directly attributable to an action on their part?


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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #231 on: December 09, 2019, 03:05:10 AM »
It was the sloppy passing that got me pissed off, even Jack was guilty a few times we bring it out of defence then give the ball straight back to them.
There are many examples of clubs spending huge amounts for players that are not up to standard and twenty million is not over the top, that shouldn't stop us from recognising that the player is not going to work out and get another player in.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #232 on: December 09, 2019, 06:49:05 AM »
I wasn't hopeful of too much before the game but the third goal killed any hopes we had after we got ourselves back in it and it should have been more than four. Grealish and Heaton were our best two and McGinn as much as he tried definately needs a breather.


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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #233 on: December 09, 2019, 06:49:27 AM »
Played one of the best and established Premier League sides and got a tonking today for sure with below par performances all over the place.
But I’d be far more worried if we get a performance like that on Boxing Day against let’s face it a more comparable level of opposition.
This season I think the reality is that we’re  competing against the bottom half of this league this season.
Not the top half.

Agree, how many of the Villa team would get in the Leicester team? Leicester have now won eight on the trot because they are a bloody good team. If we were putting in performances like that against the likes of Southampton then I would be worried.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #234 on: December 09, 2019, 07:05:21 AM »
I remember all those great teams across the world winning trophies left right and centre because Ďfansí pulled together. ĎFansí pulling together never won anything.

Absolutely.

How incredibly pompous must someone be to think a club's success was ever directly attributable to an action on their part?

I donít think Iíve said at any time that the clubs success was directly attributable to me as an individual or any other fan (if Iím allowed to use that word). What Iíve said in response to other criticism, is to say or think the supporters in the ground donít have an influence is bizarre. Maybe I didnít explain myself well enough, but I mean an influence both positively or negatively. Like a lot of you Iíve been down a toxic villa park and whilst that was caused by players performances and the running of the club, the atsmophere added to everything. Likewise how anyone at the Everton game can say the crowd didnít help to give the players an extra yard.

My general point was and one that has been lost with a few having a go, is despite some poor results and at times some poor selections, people calling for smiths head are crazy. And those kind of murmurings does seep out onto the terraces and does start to have an influence around the club.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #235 on: December 09, 2019, 07:06:36 AM »
Engels did well when he came on. But, we then had two right sided centre backs. Not saying it made much difference.
Thought the midfield were poor and that put pressure on the back and no help up front either


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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #236 on: December 09, 2019, 07:42:14 AM »
Out of interest, I've not seen it mentioned on here but I wonder why our two penalty claims towards the end did not go to VAR. They were quick enough checking our goal.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #237 on: December 09, 2019, 07:51:45 AM »
Out of interest, I've not seen it mentioned on here but I wonder why our two penalty claims towards the end did not go to VAR. They were quick enough checking our goal.

I think they were Clampy as the goal kicks were held briefly while they checked. I think they sometimes do this without going to the nonsense of announcing it on the screen.

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #238 on: December 09, 2019, 08:31:31 AM »
A really, really disappointing day. An awful game and a flat tyre on the way home so Iím not in a great mood.

Too many players below par today resulting in an awful performance. A few random points:

Mings should have gone off as soon as his hamstring went. Early on he also gave Leicester a chance by failing to clear at left back.
Our midfield is lightweight defensively. Leicester hunted us down and we were too slow to move the ball on
Our crosses often fail to beat the first man and we cannot just rely on Hourihane to play a dangerous ball, others need to improve their delivery
Our wingers donít work hard enough. I saw both El Ghazi and Trezeguet ( even though he only played 30 minutes)  ambling back whilst their opponents were hurtling towards our half / goal. Contrast with the incredible work ethic and desire of Leicester
Teams that stop us playing from the back know we have to pass back to Heaton for a hoof. I estimate we win 1 in 5-6 of these and surrender possession
McGinn  is a shadow of himself. Looks like he needs a rest.
Leicester are a top class team. They were faster, better organised and more creative than us. One who impressed me was Chilwell. Wasnít too sure of him but he was excellent defensively and going forward. He won every header against AEG despite Anwar looking taller.
Maddison did to us what Jack often does - looked for goals and got them.
Vardy reminds me of Ian Rush - chases everything, hassles defenders, great pace and a deadly finisher

Like I said, a shit day
Got to agree with loads of this.
This is a barmy League though as Iím sure Newcastle fans felt the same after they played us and look how itís gone for them since their no show against us?

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Re: Aston Villa v Leicester Post Match Thread
« Reply #239 on: December 09, 2019, 09:00:07 AM »
Not good enough yesterday from team selection and tactics through to the players. Engels and Guilbert should have started. Our "big" players all had an off day. Mings even before his injury looked like he would rather have been elsewhere than up against Vardy and company. McGinn was ineffective. You can always tell how well he's doing by the number of times his song is sung. Yesterday I didn't hear it once. Where has his high energy hassling style of play gone? With the way our midfield was set up  there was no-one to interchange with Jack, so for large spells he was stuck out on the left wing having little impact. There were too many sloppy passes from him and on occasions he was too slow releasing the ball. For his own good Wesley needs a break. We are at the stage now that any confidence he may have will shatter completely unless he's taken out of the firing line. It was the club's decision to go with Wes, Davis and Kodjia at the outset of the season. Until the transfer window all 3 of these need to be used. With Davis out injured that means Kodjia needs to be given a chance.
Newcastle came on a crest of a way and are on one since, but we played to our strengths at home and beat them comprehensively. Leicester are on a crest of a wave but we gave in way too easily to them and played to their strengths. Accepting that they are a good team why should so much have changed for us from one home match to another?
What was that Vardy celebration all about? If it was to prove what a tw-t he is, then he succeeded!