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Offline Mister E

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #180 on: December 05, 2019, 12:13:17 PM »
Newly promoted side against a well stacked outfit.  We bring on Jota, they bring on Jorginho.  That said, I thought we were our own worst enemy. Terrible defending for the goals.  Mings and Konsa had a night off, timid all over the pitch, stood off in midfield.  We don't quite have enough class yet to compete with these sides.  Wesley?  I'm not sure what people are expecting when there are two players on him and no Villa player around him?  No-one else was any better, or worse than him. They won all the second balls and we looked tired and punchless.  2-1 flatters us. Poor performance and now only 1 point outside the bottom 3.
This sums it up for me. Thank you.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #181 on: December 05, 2019, 12:14:52 PM »

Agree to some extent, but I just think we would be more solid with those two in there (could even try Konsa in there and bring Engels back in).  As I said, not for every game, but I would be in favour of going that way in games like tonight.
It is a bit down the list of priorities come January, but a quality mobile, combative midfielder to go in there alongside Marvellous or Douglas could be a shrewd signing.
Indeed. Good ideas.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #182 on: December 05, 2019, 12:31:39 PM »
The score probably flatters us a bit, and the fact we almost equalised near the end probably says a lot about where Chelsea as a side. To be fair to them, they are in a transition but they'll need another season or two with this group to compete for the title (barring a big window when their ban finishes).

Heaton was excellent I thought. Luiz was decent when he came on. Marvellous played well. Elmo was good, and Trezeguet is finally looking a player.

For me, this was a harsh lesson for Konsa. Playing quality attacking opposition, he got a schooling on concentration and positioning. He was ropey and nervy all game. I think this was a game for Engels, who apart from anything is a bit more aggressive and could have given Tammy more attention.
I love Mings. He has 'moments' in every game. It's easy to forget he's still relatively young, and in footbaling minutes, even more so (particularly at this level). Things he got away with at Championship, he's getting punished for now. Last night Chelsea didn't capatalise on a few of his ricks, but other sides will. Would I drop him? No chance, because he's so influential. Much like Dunne, who always had a mare moment in him (not so many as Tyrone, but he was 30 odd and clocked up a lot of games), I think we'd look worse off with him out the side. I remember when Dunne was having a poor run under Houllier wanting him out the side. We looked shitter without him.

Wesley...oh Wesley. 3-4 games aside (2 excellent games and a couple looking okay) he's just been poor. I get that he's a bit isolated and the service isn't always great, but he's not switched on. Lone striker is a difficult position but it's the predominent striker role these days. No one plays two up. Not so many play one dropped off. If you can't play that role when you're 6ft10 of muscle in 2019, then you're in the wrong game altogether. There could be a player there, but honestly, we're damaging by playing him over and over. As others have said, could Kodjia be any worse? Otherwise Dean has to re-adjust things and alter the system. If Davis was fit I think he'd be playing. In 3 weeks we've got to be ready to pull in a forward, because Wesley's going one way, and that's Balaban central.

The biggest thing for me with Wesley is that he doesn't make anything look easy. It might be confidence, or the divisional step up, but everything looks hard. Controlling a ball, heading a ball, making a 5 yard pass. I'm shocked he's a Brazilian international. Even Heskey, for all his faults could have games when he'd make the hold up play look easy. Granted you'd get no goals out of him but (under Houllier at least) he was quite effective in allowing Downing and Young opportunities to make up the goal return. It's like playing with 10 men. At this point I'd rather stick AEG or Trezeguet up as a false 9 and have them run around a bit, offer some energy, because if we're doing one thing reasonably well, it's getting our attacking mids in space in the box. Almost every cross that comes in ends up going to a midfielder, because Wesley seems to be persistently out of the 'action' spots. We need George Weah up front, not George Weah's cousin.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #183 on: December 05, 2019, 01:26:32 PM »
If we can get 6 or preferably 7 points from the next 5 well be looking ok, especially as I think a lot of the players will have better 2nd half of the season and well probably sign a couple of good new attacking options in January. Leicester, Norwich and Southampton at Home, Sheff Utd and Watford away. 2 wins and a draw, I would have thought so.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #184 on: December 05, 2019, 01:36:16 PM »
Not the worst result but a poor performance overall and yet we showed glimspes of decent play.

This

Ummm. Never looked like scoring again though. Kepa had nothing to do. i think you're being kind

How wesley gets 90 mins every week I dont know. He may come good, but as sit stands he doesnt deserve the shirt

Not sure what game you were watching. We had at two decent chances. Agreed on Wesley though, had a stinker yesterday.

Thought Heaton was fantastic yesterday. Great reception for Tammy from our fans as well. Don't know why we didn't bring Kopdjia on when Wes was clearly having a bad night. Would kill for someone like Danny Ings at the moment.
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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #185 on: December 05, 2019, 02:38:42 PM »
At least Villa are consistent when playing London clubs away..... even if it is coming back home with consistently shit results.
Four league games in London so far this season and all four lost!
As for Chelsea specifically. Looking at 11v11 from and including 2010 to date we've played them 16 times in all competitions. Lost 12, won 2 and drawn 2.
Quite depressing.

I am developing a phobia about Villa games at London club grounds, even if the club and players have not.....yet.
When did Villa last come back from any Premier League game at a London club ground with a draw yet alone a win?
Not expecting any better in the Cup at Fulham on this form.


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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #186 on: December 05, 2019, 03:02:49 PM »
At least Villa are consistent when playing London clubs away..... even if it is coming back home with consistently shit results.
Four league games in London so far this season and all four lost!
As for Chelsea specifically. Looking at 11v11 from and including 2010 to date we've played them 16 times in all competitions. Lost 12, won 2 and drawn 2.
Quite depressing.

I am developing a phobia about Villa games at London club grounds, even if the club and players have not.....yet.
When did Villa last come back from any Premier League game at a London club ground with a draw yet alone a win?
Not expecting any better in the Cup at Fulham on this form.



I go to the London games more than ones at VP. I can confirm that we always lose. I'm struggling to think of the last away win I saw. There was one at QPR a couple or three years ago where we came from behind but I left that one just after kick-off due to being surrounded by bellends.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #187 on: December 05, 2019, 03:08:12 PM »
Spurs away under Sherwood in the top flight.


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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #188 on: December 05, 2019, 03:14:45 PM »
True, but Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea away are not exactly games a newly promoted side are going to get much from normally. Palace away we could have got a point if it wasn't for fecking VAR.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #190 on: December 05, 2019, 06:41:06 PM »
True, but Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea away are not exactly games a newly promoted side are going to get much from normally. Palace away we could have got a point if it wasn't for fecking VAR.

It was Kevin Friend, not VAR

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #191 on: December 05, 2019, 06:51:02 PM »



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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #192 on: December 05, 2019, 06:53:05 PM »
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when the going gets tougher hes not the man quote author=john e link=topic=60376.msg3679555#msg3679555 date=1575545997]


Cant make my mind up which is the most soulless passionless ground to watch football in between
Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs been to them all, three of them this season and every time I come away thinking thank fuck we are not them

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My Bulgarian colleague has mates from home who try to bag tickets for London games and two of them were in the East stand last night (the 3 tier one to our right).

He relayed to me that they were very impressed with our support and could not believe how quiet Chelsea fans were. But most weirdly of all in that stand they have heaters hanging from the gantry, like the ones you see outside some restaurants. Can't say I have ever seen that before. Have sent the photo to Aftab who will hopefully post the photo here.

A lot of London fans I have met over the years are the same as us - normal people with a limit to their budget. They have been priced out of football. A mate of Kingthing last night was telling me he pays 750 for his season ticket at Chelsea but could pay more than twice that at Arsenal. A lot of daytrippers get tickets from people who buy season tickets and release them on a match by match basis. The number of sellers of half and half scarves was ridiculous, too.

Success comes with consequences.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #193 on: December 05, 2019, 07:32:41 PM »
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when the going gets tougher hes not the man quote author=john e link=topic=60376.msg3679555#msg3679555 date=1575545997]


Cant make my mind up which is the most soulless passionless ground to watch football in between
Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs been to them all, three of them this season and every time I come away thinking thank fuck we are not them


My Bulgarian colleague has mates from home who try to bag tickets for London games and two of them were in the East stand last night (the 3 tier one to our right).

He relayed to me that they were very impressed with our support and could not believe how quiet Chelsea fans were. But most weirdly of all in that stand they have heaters hanging from the gantry, like the ones you see outside some restaurants. Can't say I have ever seen that before. Have sent the photo to Aftab who will hopefully post the photo here.

A lot of London fans I have met over the years are the same as us - normal people with a limit to their budget. They have been priced out of football. A mate of Kingthing last night was telling me he pays 750 for his season ticket at Chelsea but could pay more than twice that at Arsenal. A lot of daytrippers get tickets from people who buy season tickets and release them on a match by match basis. The number of sellers of half and half scarves was ridiculous, too.

Success comes with consequences.
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Ground has the feel of a shopping mall from the outside as well. The atmosphere was dead in there, didn't hear one song until after they scored their second.

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Re: Chelsea 2-1 Aston Villa post match thread
« Reply #194 on: December 05, 2019, 07:36:14 PM »
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when the going gets tougher hes not the man quote author=john e link=topic=60376.msg3679555#msg3679555 date=1575545997]


Cant make my mind up which is the most soulless passionless ground to watch football in between
Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs been to them all, three of them this season and every time I come away thinking thank fuck we are not them


My Bulgarian colleague has mates from home who try to bag tickets for London games and two of them were in the East stand last night (the 3 tier one to our right).

He relayed to me that they were very impressed with our support and could not believe how quiet Chelsea fans were. But most weirdly of all in that stand they have heaters hanging from the gantry, like the ones you see outside some restaurants. Can't say I have ever seen that before. Have sent the photo to Aftab who will hopefully post the photo here.

A lot of London fans I have met over the years are the same as us - normal people with a limit to their budget. They have been priced out of football. A mate of Kingthing last night was telling me he pays 750 for his season ticket at Chelsea but could pay more than twice that at Arsenal. A lot of daytrippers get tickets from people who buy season tickets and release them on a match by match basis. The number of sellers of half and half scarves was ridiculous, too.

Success comes with consequences.

Ground has the feel of a shopping mall from the outside as well. The atmosphere was dead in there, didn't hear one song until after they scored their second.
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I had a look at the screen the first I heard them and it was 23rd minute

 


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