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Offline PeterWithesShin

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Proposed Champions League changes
« on: December 18, 2019, 05:42:07 AM »
AKA The 'big six' are greedy c***s

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The Big Six Premier League clubs are privately supporting radical plans to expand the Champions League group stage to a 32-team league in a threat to the unity of English football, Sportsmail has learned.

To create space in the calendar for additional Champions League games from the 2024-25 season Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham are prepared to push for dramatic changes to the structure of the domestic game, including the abolition of FA Cup replays and removing the second leg of the League Cup semi-final.

They would even consider cutting the number of teams in the top flight.

The Premier League insist that their clubs remain united in their efforts to preserve the primacy of domestic football, which the organisation’s executive fear could be threatened if the European Club Association’s proposals — revealed by Sportsmail on Thursday — are implemented.

There are concerns that an expanded group stage involving 10 or 12 matches could easily be turned into a fully blown European Super League.

All 20 clubs signed up to a strongly worded statement from the Premier League opposing the expansion of the group stage to 14 matches last June, but it is understood there is growing interest from the Big Six in the latest proposals for reform amid growing splits behind the scenes.

The Big Six have held several meetings with other ECA members over the last six months and are increasingly coming to view the addition of four group matches as a reasonable compromise between the previous plan, which would have added eight games, and the status quo.

The attraction for the bigger clubs is more match-day revenue and a bigger Champions League TV deal which should not affect the value of the Premier League contract, as European games would continue to be played midweek, in contrast to an earlier proposal which involved moving the Champions League to weekends.

With combined domestic and overseas rights deals worth over £9billion the Premier League’s TV contract is far more valuable to English clubs than that covering the Champions League, and they would be loath to jeopardise that.

The Premier League’s smaller clubs are concerned by the ECA’s proposals, however, as in order to accommodate the additional games some domestic fixtures will have to be sacrificed.

The Big Six have already begun to alienate other clubs by holding private meetings away from the larger group and often travelling together to Premier League summits.

And the growing sense of schism will provide a huge challenge to new Premier League chief executive Richard Masters, who was appointed earlier this week.

Masters’ predecessor, Richard Scudamore, occasionally struggled to keep the clubs together during the latter days of his two-decade reign and bowed to pressure to give the Big Six a greater share of the overseas TV revenue last year. Maintaining unity will not be any easier for his successor.

While the Premier League, EFL and FA are working to safeguard the existing structure of English football there is a growing acceptance that an expansion of the Champions League is inevitable by 2024 due to the demands of European heavyweights such as Real Madrid and Juventus.

That date is significant as it is when the International Match Calendar agreed with FIFA expires and is also the start of a new Champions League broadcast deal, presenting an opportunity for UEFA and the leading European clubs to implement major changes.

The Big Six are increasingly supportive of such proposals and will demand changes to the domestic game in order to facilitate them, with the FA and League Cups most vulnerable.

Premier League clubs remain committed to playing in both the FA and EFL-run Carabao Cup as part of a Memorandum of Understanding signed when the league was formed in 1992, but there is nothing to stop them changing the competitions’ structure.

The FA scrapped replays from the fifth round last season and may be willing to do away with them entirely after 2024 — freeing up two midweeks for additional Champions League matches — but they would demand that smaller clubs are compensated by altering the distribution of TV and appearance money.

The EFL resisted calls to change the two-leg semi-final format for the Carabao Cup during talks with the FA and Premier League over introducing a winter break two years ago, but could do so in the future.

The first two rounds of the League Cup had two legs until 2001 and the EFL have not ruled out making further alterations to the format, although they insist that is not on the table at present. A change in 2024 would also fit in with the EFL’s timetable as their five-year deal with Sky Sports expires that year.

The Big Six have also held talks about seeking to reduce the Premier League to 18 teams, which would create another four fixture slots in the calendar, but such a change would require the support of 14 top-flight clubs, making it harder to introduce.

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2019, 04:22:22 PM »
Let them go. In fact, pay them to.

Offline Somniloquism

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2019, 04:44:30 PM »
But the problem is they don't want to go from the current leagues, just want it all to be setup for their convenience and no one elses  like 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' in the last round. They want to have their fingers in all the pies but specifically want the fillings and leave the crusts only for everyone else.


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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2019, 04:57:26 PM »
Manchester City need to remember where they were only a few years ago.

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2019, 05:00:39 PM »
I don't think there is a demand for it from a fans point of view.

It doesn't get interesting until knock out games

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2019, 05:01:30 PM »
I don't think there is a demand for it from a fans point of view.

It doesn't get interesting until knock out games

It doesn't ever get interesting for me. I find the Champions League tedious in the extreme.

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2019, 05:12:00 PM »
I think if it has relegation and the prize money was adjusted to give more to teams that play in less wealthy leagues, it could be alright.

I imagine they'll look to make it a closed shop with a load of the usual suspects from the Money Leagues, though. Boring.

I could live with the abolition of FA Cup replays and two legged League Cup semis... so long as all rounds of the FA Cup and the League Cup Final, at least, stay of a weekend. Midweek cup ties are not nearly as much fun as weekend ones, especially for away fans.

Reducing the league to 18 teams can get fucked. Especially as you can guarantee no club would reduce season ticket prices by 2/19ths to make up for it.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2019, 05:15:47 PM by cdbullyweefan »

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2019, 05:23:18 PM »
Well I hope the "big six" kick out Manure or Arsenal and replace them with Leicester and another.

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2019, 05:42:35 PM »
Surely nothing will happen till Wolves are part of the box six?

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2019, 07:09:02 PM »
I don't think there is a demand for it from a fans point of view.

It doesn't get interesting until knock out games
There is a new breed of international plastic football fan that really is into this stuff.

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2019, 10:26:35 AM »
In principle I'd have no problem with either dropping replays or cutting the league cup semi finals to 1 leg ... but ... I think the conversation would be so dominated by the English/Spanish/Italian/Bayern Munich clubs that it's pointless considering it.

Case in point: the 3rd UEFA competition was a perfect opportunity to give a big boost to the smallest nations. With 'relegation' from Champions League to Europa League, then on to the UEFA Windscreens Shield or whatever it's called, there'd have been a realistic chance of at least a couple of Welsh/Irish/Norn Iron clubs making the group stages of that 3rd tournament most seasons and getting a few games against some moderately sized clubs from neighbouring countries. Instead it's been a method of ensuring that the big teams from the big leagues don't have to play even the likes of Rangers or Steaua Bucharest because that'll hit their bottom line.

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Re: Proposed Champions League changes
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2019, 11:56:39 AM »
I don't give a shit about it these days. Only teams from about four countries, plus maybe Paris St Germain, have any chance. Boring as fuck.

 


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