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Author Topic: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread  (Read 12794 times)

Offline darren woolley

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #225 on: October 21, 2019, 01:06:12 PM »
So pleased with the win and another three points on board Jack was brilliant although we wasn't at our best we won which is the most important thing.

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #226 on: October 21, 2019, 01:22:02 PM »
their  goalie has an absolute shocker for the Targett goal

I was at the other side of the ground and wondered how it had gone in
now I know the goalie ducked right under it

reminded me of that Giggs finish in the FA cup against Arsenal in exactly the same spot
Giggs goal of the century my arse Seaman ducks under it

Both massive howlers in my view
but Iím not complaining, much rejoicing was enjoyed with the one that happened at the weekend

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #227 on: October 21, 2019, 03:23:15 PM »
Just viewed their goal again. Accepting the fact their free-kick decision was incorrect, our defending across the 18 yard line was poor. We had 7 Villa players marking 6 brighton players and yet their goalscorer was unmarked on the back post. Engels and Wes appeared to be marking no-one. Clearly work needed in training on defending free kicks.

Offline Vill I An

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #228 on: October 21, 2019, 03:56:03 PM »
Just viewed their goal again. Accepting the fact their free-kick decision was incorrect, our defending across the 18 yard line was poor. We had 7 Villa players marking 6 brighton players and yet their goalscorer was unmarked on the back post. Engels and Wes appeared to be marking no-one. Clearly work needed in training on defending free kicks.

The concerning issue for the bigger pie is that Villa have conceded the most attempts from set plays (minus arsenal match tonight who are 2nd to set play chances conceded)

Now the situation Saturday v Brighton for defending here is 2 at 1 on back post .
And the defending bamboozled by the step over run of mooy , then the free kick taker Gross puts it in.
Communication could have been better .
However there is also the responsibility of players jobs to know their role and do it at set pieces. Now there are particular players here not marking up this creating a situation which is hard for Mings to deal with on his own.

The fault will be addressed in team meeting and watching the clips as to whoever wasn't doing their job in defending and marking.
However villa have given away the most fouls in the league as a team so it stands to some reason that we are given away too many opportunities for opposition to have a goal attempt both directly and indirectly at the goal!


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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #229 on: October 21, 2019, 04:12:59 PM »
Just viewed their goal again. Accepting the fact their free-kick decision was incorrect, our defending across the 18 yard line was poor. We had 7 Villa players marking 6 brighton players and yet their goalscorer was unmarked on the back post. Engels and Wes appeared to be marking no-one. Clearly work needed in training on defending free kicks.

Looked very much like zonal marking, which seems to depend on people tracking movement in the box, which they failed to do.  If it was zonal marking then I think we'll have to chalk this one down as a Mings error, as it was in his area where the ball went in from.

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #230 on: October 21, 2019, 05:13:13 PM »
And it was ridiculously easy for a telegraphed dummy to get our entire side to join in with a quick burst of the hokey cokey that they'd clearly not practiced since the Christmas do.

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #231 on: October 21, 2019, 05:36:19 PM »
their  goalie has an absolute shocker for the Targett goal

I was at the other side of the ground and wondered how it had gone in
now I know the goalie ducked right under it

reminded me of that Giggs finish in the FA cup against Arsenal in exactly the same spot
Giggs goal of the century my arse Seaman ducks under it

Both massive howlers in my view
but Iím not complaining, much rejoicing was enjoyed with the one that happened at the weekend
I don't agree that their Goalie was at fault. Watching from upper North middle seats once ball was slipped to Targett  he was left in an hopeless position. Faced with a left footer 4 yards away taking an aim he did as well as he could. His only chance was Targett making a mess of it.

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #232 on: October 21, 2019, 07:05:59 PM »
It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.

Apart from jack and arguably Mings I canít think of anyone who had a good game for us.

Offline brontebilly

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #233 on: October 21, 2019, 07:22:00 PM »
It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.

Apart from jack and arguably Mings I canít think of anyone who had a good game for us.

Mings seemed at fault for their goal, tracked the wrong man from what I could see leaving a free header behind him. Wes was very lazy getting back too, Mings was effectively trying to pick up two men at the backpost during the run up to the free kick but Wes was just about back in time to pick up the first guy, leaving Webster all alone at the back. Mings appeared to be giving Wes a right earful after it but was more at fault for me. A ridiculous goal to concede and there has been a few preventable ones let in lately. Poor communication the root cause Id suggest.

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #234 on: October 21, 2019, 08:25:06 PM »
their  goalie has an absolute shocker for the Targett goal

I was at the other side of the ground and wondered how it had gone in
now I know the goalie ducked right under it

reminded me of that Giggs finish in the FA cup against Arsenal in exactly the same spot
Giggs goal of the century my arse Seaman ducks under it

Both massive howlers in my view
but Iím not complaining, much rejoicing was enjoyed with the one that happened at the weekend
I don't agree that their Goalie was at fault. Watching from upper North middle seats once ball was slipped to Targett  he was left in an hopeless position. Faced with a left footer 4 yards away taking an aim he did as well as he could. His only chance was Targett making a mess of it.

no way that shot would have beat Heaton

Offline Vill I An

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #235 on: October 21, 2019, 09:08:29 PM »
It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.

Apart from jack and arguably Mings I canít think of anyone who had a good game for us.

Who scored .com match ratings

Grealish 9.3
Targett 8.8
Guilbert 7.8
McGinn 7.8
Heaton 7
Trezeguet 6.8
Nakamba 6.7
Hourihane 6.6
Davis 6.4
Engles 6.4
Mings 6.3
Douglas 6.3
El Ghazi 6.3
Wesley 6.1

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #236 on: October 21, 2019, 09:15:09 PM »
Targett getting an 8.8 shows what nonsense those stats are.  I think we can all see why you posted them though.

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #237 on: October 21, 2019, 09:33:25 PM »
Wow those ratings are all over the place. Targett had a shocker, goal aside. Guilbert wasnít much better. McGinn extremely quiet by his standards.

Mings is in Garth Crooksí team of the week which is pushing it and probably more to do with his conduct with England which I donít disagree with. But it also points out his interception and passing stats were very high as youíd expect, and that rings true in relation to the game I saw.

When you let a team pass through you as easily as we did on Saturday you canít blame the centre backs for the odd error.

Offline Vill I An

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #238 on: October 21, 2019, 10:01:15 PM »
Mings kicked a simple ball out of play in an attempt un pressured when attempting to play it to Targett I think it was
He also cleared the ball straight to Connolly who could have scored.
As he lost both his aerial duels when beaten fit the 2 headers he had to compete for I guess he's given lower ratings
I think he was only ok.
Engels wasn't great with his long ball passing don't think I've seen him play too many accurate long balls .
Think Targett has a high ratings because after Grealish he had the most touches of the ball and was involved with a creating chance and scoring.
Defensively he wasn't great 8.8 is rather high because scoring a winning goal makes him having better than any of the other defenders but he wasn't much better than any of the other defenders
« Last Edit: October 21, 2019, 10:03:31 PM by Vill I An »

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Re: Aston Villa vs VAR Post-Match Thread
« Reply #239 on: October 21, 2019, 10:11:03 PM »
It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.

Apart from jack and arguably Mings I canít think of anyone who had a good game for us.

Who scored .com match ratings

Grealish 9.3
Targett 8.8
Guilbert 7.8
McGinn 7.8
Heaton 7
Trezeguet 6.8
Nakamba 6.7
Hourihane 6.6
Davis 6.4
Engles 6.4
Mings 6.3
Douglas 6.3
El Ghazi 6.3
Wesley 6.1

Think Iíd agree with most of that, Wes seems to be picking up the majority of the flack about his performance but El Ghazi had an absolute stinker, Iíd forgotten he was on the pitch when he came off. It says everything that Douglas Luiz scores the same mark and he was only on for 15 odd minutes!!