Quote from: The Edge on September 23, 2019, 03:57:11 PMQuote from: Brassneck on September 23, 2019, 03:28:34 PMQuote from: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2019, 01:45:06 PMQuote from: Brassneck on September 23, 2019, 01:05:47 PMI think we're clutching at straws to blame the officials yesterday. The penalty would have been harsh as he was moving his arm into his body. Also, I don't think they had a player in our wall, looking at the shots from in front and behind. Nobody to blame but ourselves and if he didn't want to start with 2 holding midfielders, he almost certainly should have changed it when we began to drop deeper.The way I look at it, Jack, SJM & Marvelous were not part of the wall (which consisted of 4 players)Then thats the way you want to look at it. But i don't know why when the image above proves otherwise. You also said you don't think it was a pen. Every commentator i've heard disagrees with you. I mean even that Villa hating scrote Danny Murphy said on MOTD "the most clear cut penalty you will ever see" Again you look at it differently to everyone else including neutrals. I'm sure you have your reasons.The image proves nothing. Watching the clip, there is a gap between the wall and the 3 players. I see that as the 3 players not being part of the wall.Regarding the handball, I see it as ball to hand/arm and the player seemed to be bringing his arm into his body. It would have been very harsh and didn't appear to be intentional to me. I liken it to the Snodgrass handball against Neves when we beat Wolves 4-1. None of us were claiming that one was a penalty although it was more of a shout than yesterdays.
Quote from: Brassneck on September 23, 2019, 03:28:34 PMQuote from: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2019, 01:45:06 PMQuote from: Brassneck on September 23, 2019, 01:05:47 PMI think we're clutching at straws to blame the officials yesterday. The penalty would have been harsh as he was moving his arm into his body. Also, I don't think they had a player in our wall, looking at the shots from in front and behind. Nobody to blame but ourselves and if he didn't want to start with 2 holding midfielders, he almost certainly should have changed it when we began to drop deeper.The way I look at it, Jack, SJM & Marvelous were not part of the wall (which consisted of 4 players)Then thats the way you want to look at it. But i don't know why when the image above proves otherwise. You also said you don't think it was a pen. Every commentator i've heard disagrees with you. I mean even that Villa hating scrote Danny Murphy said on MOTD "the most clear cut penalty you will ever see" Again you look at it differently to everyone else including neutrals. I'm sure you have your reasons.
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2019, 01:45:06 PMQuote from: Brassneck on September 23, 2019, 01:05:47 PMI think we're clutching at straws to blame the officials yesterday. The penalty would have been harsh as he was moving his arm into his body. Also, I don't think they had a player in our wall, looking at the shots from in front and behind. Nobody to blame but ourselves and if he didn't want to start with 2 holding midfielders, he almost certainly should have changed it when we began to drop deeper.The way I look at it, Jack, SJM & Marvelous were not part of the wall (which consisted of 4 players)
Quote from: Brassneck on September 23, 2019, 01:05:47 PMI think we're clutching at straws to blame the officials yesterday. The penalty would have been harsh as he was moving his arm into his body. Also, I don't think they had a player in our wall, looking at the shots from in front and behind. Nobody to blame but ourselves and if he didn't want to start with 2 holding midfielders, he almost certainly should have changed it when we began to drop deeper.
I think we're clutching at straws to blame the officials yesterday. The penalty would have been harsh as he was moving his arm into his body. Also, I don't think they had a player in our wall, looking at the shots from in front and behind. Nobody to blame but ourselves and if he didn't want to start with 2 holding midfielders, he almost certainly should have changed it when we began to drop deeper.
Quote from: olaftab on September 23, 2019, 12:24:27 PMI thought John Moss was very good yesterday. Couple of marginal decisions in favour/against both teams but overall it was good performance by the officials.Second yellow for Maitland Niles was very harsh I thought. Masuaku's second yellow last week was a nonsense. Two big decisions that went in our favour that should have resulted in six points.
I thought John Moss was very good yesterday. Couple of marginal decisions in favour/against both teams but overall it was good performance by the officials.
I havent seen the handball back since yesterday but at the time I didnt think it was a blatant penalty. The incident was nowhere near as cut and dry as the Palace one, were my over riding emotion after that match was that we had been robbed by an appauling decision, my over riding emotion yesterday was that we threw it away by not making the tactical changes needed which in turn lead to stupid individual errors.
Sorry to keep bringing up mistakes and VAR, but another issue that I don't think has been mentioned is that when Arsenal took the penalty Aubameyang is clearly in the box.I'm not saying that they wouldn't have scored, but if were going to use VAR for the minutest of offside decisions why are the obvious errors not being corrected.
Quote from: mrfuse on September 24, 2019, 12:59:51 PMSorry to keep bringing up mistakes and VAR, but another issue that I don't think has been mentioned is that when Arsenal took the penalty Aubameyang is clearly in the box.I'm not saying that they wouldn't have scored, but if were going to use VAR for the minutest of offside decisions why are the obvious errors not being corrected. I might be miles off, but wasn't there recemtly a retaken penalty using VAR due to the keeper not standing on the goal line ?UTVThe Doc