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Author Topic: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread  (Read 12150 times)

Offline SoccerHQ

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #180 on: September 22, 2019, 08:05:15 PM »
I think we need to perhaps recalibrate our reality if we think a a side who finished with 70 points are a nothing team. Not as good as they were, undoubtedly, but let's not be daft.

Equally, a very average West Ham, who beat Man United today comfortably and have about £150 million of forward players.

It's a good quality premier league imo. No Fulham or Huddersfield types this year although Steve Bruce will give it a right good go at Newcastle.

Believe it or not but we have some good players and score some good goals like the two we scored today.

The naivety in our play and also from our manager at key points this season has really hurt us though and that is one aspect of relegated teams so a big problem we need to improve on and aren't.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #181 on: September 22, 2019, 08:06:18 PM »
On my way to Euston and totally devastated. We lost this game because Smith did not manage the second half properly. Poor and inadequate decisions with subs and tactics.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #182 on: September 22, 2019, 08:06:20 PM »
It feels like we've been saying it for far to long but Jack is way to deep, his run for Wesleys goal was fucking brilliant and then shortly after he did it again for Trez's tame shot, Arsenal were shitting themselves at that point but then for whatever reason we retreated and he barely broke into their half again.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #183 on: September 22, 2019, 08:09:01 PM »
2 of our 3 away games being Spurs and Arsenal hasn't helped, as that naivety is far more likely to be punished. I try not to think of Palace, as flat as we and the game was, as Kevin Friend will make me have a hissy fit.

We've got a lot to learn, however, I do feel that maybe part of that naivety is a little fear and a lack of belief. McGinn and his comments suggest there's been a blood letting.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #184 on: September 22, 2019, 08:16:34 PM »
I donít disagree that we should have done better against 10 men, and I know at the back itís hardly vintage Arsenal, but most teams would like their attacking options of Aubameyang, Lacazette, Pepe, Ozil etc. We certainly would.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #185 on: September 22, 2019, 08:24:34 PM »
I just can not understand how he watched them tear through us without doing something about it.

That's the thing. I cant believe how 10 players can have so much space to play in.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #186 on: September 22, 2019, 08:24:55 PM »
Pathetic

Offline mr underhill

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #187 on: September 22, 2019, 08:29:32 PM »
I think the Fulham comparisons are beginning to have a ring of truth.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #188 on: September 22, 2019, 08:30:27 PM »

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #189 on: September 22, 2019, 08:39:56 PM »
First time I have been disappointed with a DS post match interview.
Complete abdication of responsibility and the tired excuse of blaming mistakes.
Disappointing

Offline Rudy65

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #190 on: September 22, 2019, 08:42:26 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?

and against a shocking and often bottling team such as Arsenal

Arsenal are shocking? Fucking hell, you're in for a long hard season then. They will finish top 6. We won't. There's a gulf to make up from getting promoted. It's the start of the season. We've lost narrowly this season, there is enough ability all round for the team to improve and start turning around a poor start. Panic and we will shoot ourselves in the foot. It will be a tough season and at times we won't look coherent.

Smith isn't shit. We've spent months waxing lyrical about him.
Engels and Mings aren't shit.
Grealish isn't all tippy tappy and nothing to show for it, we've spoken about him being able to play for the national team.
The list goes on, every mistake doesn't need to be poured over and over and reacted upon because we're all pissed off that we've fucked up an opportunity.

If we'd have won or even drawn, with the same performance, the reactions would be 180 degree different. I'm not saying I'm delighted about how we are playing but we are definitely not terrible as is being made out and the manager isn't a fool as is being made out. And please let's not start the ''what do they do in training'', '' we aren't fit enough'' rubbish. It get's rolled out by every team whenever they lose.

So why do we look totally knackered against 10 men. We have an extra man FFS for the whole second half which we lost 3-1. You are defending the indefensible

Arsenal may finish top 6 but are bang average. Did you see their surrender last week SH against Watford, it was awful, and only beaten by ours today

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #191 on: September 22, 2019, 08:45:17 PM »
The thing that worries me about Deano is that he never seems to learn when it comes to game management.People rightly go on about the West Ham game and how we failed to take advantage and could so easily have lost let alone win but i go back to the Sandwell Town play off semi final .Sandwell must have played for getting on nearly a hour in that game with ten men and we still managed to lose the game .His substitutions also baffle me at times,,he seems obsessed with Elmo ,surely Lansbury would have made more sense at the time

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #192 on: September 22, 2019, 08:56:11 PM »
Got up early to watch the replay and paused it 10 minutes into the second half and well in control to find out the final score. Needless to say I won't be watching the rest of the game. Gutted that's the word but the signs have been there all season, Smiths handling of substitutes is terrible usually leaving it too late and the same old same old. Wesley is not prem standard yet and has to be dropped, Trez works hard but a winger who cannot beat a man is not a winger. I expected to lose today but not to ten men after playing well for sixty minutes.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #193 on: September 22, 2019, 08:56:17 PM »
Really over the top reactions.
Not at all over the top. It was embarrassing today and when you add it to our other 10 men performances itís deeply worrying.

Offline Luke8

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #194 on: September 22, 2019, 09:13:16 PM »
Hugely frustration result given the position that we were in. We really shouldnít be losing a game like that.

Always find it difficult to rationally analyse a game like that given the emotional investment, but some thoughts on the game for what it is worth.

Coupe of positive points:

- First half performance was decent against a good team. We restricted them to very little (only real chance I remember was the one in the first minute), moved the ball well and generally looked a lot more positive than the last few games, although the final ball/general creativeness in the final third was still a little lacking.

- Thought Nkamba, Grealish and McGinn all had pretty decent games. Think a combination of them and/or Luiz has the making of a good central midfield.

- Wesleyís work rate, hold up and link play was improved from Monday night until he got completely isolated later in the game. Nice little finish for his goal as well.

The less good:

- Game management is so poor. Really important at this level and we seem very naive so far. Think both the coaching team and players have to take some responsibility. Dropping deeper, the lack of composure on the ball/not retaining possession well, timing of substitutions and players involved. Compare to Arsenal once they went 3-2 up with their tactical foul, time wasting and how they look after the ball - think we only had the Hourihane shot in the 12 or so minutes that were left.

- Donít think Smith has been using his substitutes well. Have we seen one this season where it has had a big influence on the game?  Definitely needs to be more proactive as well. Easy to be wise after the event, but think it was obvious that a/some changes were needed before they actually happened. Also, just think the El Mohamady sub was strange - surely Jota or Lansbury would have helped retain the ball better which we were struggling with at the time and both maintained an attacking threat and been enough to defend vs. 10 men.

- Obvious thing to say, but you donít get away with the poor individual errors from Engles and Mings against decent teams. Engels initial clearance in the lead up to the penalty followed by the challenge and Mings header for their second were not good decisions at all. Shame, as they have been excellent so far, and we do need to defend better as a team in order to relieve pressure on them, but those two moments did cost us today.


Positives to take, absolutely, and parts of that performance will be good enough to take points in lots of games this season, but we need to maintain them over longer spells and sharpen up in a few areas in order to make that actually happen enough times.