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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2019, 06:37:55 PM »
Another week of mistakes we shouldn't be making. 'You get punished for those in this league.' Next week we'll give away a stupid goal, penalty (thus goal) or someone will get sent off. FS. Why are footballers stupid?

Why is it also that we're appalling playing against 10 men? Just almost always historically struggle like no other. It's been decades since I saw the opposition get a sending off and thought 'oh goody, we've got an advantage here.' It's a fucking death knell.

We're a lot better than 2015 but the league is also better. Shape up ffs. Smith's making some headscratching decisions too. I'm pleased big Wes got on the score sheet, because ultimately, if we're gonna stay up he's got to hit double figures.

I grant you we've played a top 4 side and should probably expect to get beaten on their patch but being okay and losing just means you go down. That's a chance blown and puts pressure on the games we should be expecting results in. Every bottom 12 team that stays up this year is going to do so by pulling off 1-2 unexpected results. 

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2019, 06:38:02 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

How do you expect people to react?

To not act like everything and everyone connected with the team are shite and we are relegation fodder because we've lost an away game with 90% of the season left and with us being competitive in every single game we've been in so far. Better teams than us will lose at Arsenal and it's not the first time and won't be the last time that 10 men win a game at home. It's a bad result but all the negativity that flows from a defeat is magnified and does nothing but harm with the over the top nature of responses.

Fuck off Smith this, the defence is shit that. It's no good. Smith has done a good job, the team aren't a mess, the defence has been by  and large solid and if we all stick together there are much better days ahead. Let's not get carried away with the emotion of losing.

Was your TV plugged in?

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2019, 06:38:06 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?

How about one where people breathe before posting shite.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to expect not to be absolutely battered playing with an extra man. Today's debacle isn't sufficient, in itself, to provoke panic. As part of a trend, it is very worrying though. We seem to have learned nothing from previous mistakes.

Offline levico

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2019, 06:38:30 PM »
Not too bad a score at the Emirates.

Unless Smith ascends a sharp learning curve I suspect this may be the pattern for the season - plucky also rans. At least we’ll go down with some sense of dignity.

Offline VillaBoy_23

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2019, 06:38:44 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

How do you expect people to react?

To not act like everything and everyone connected with the team are shite and we are relegation fodder because we've lost an away game with 90% of the season left and with us being competitive in every single game we've been in so far. Better teams than us will lose at Arsenal and it's not the first time and won't be the last time that 10 men win a game at home. It's a bad result but all the negativity that flows from a defeat is magnified and does nothing but harm with the over the top nature of responses.

Fuck off Smith this, the defence is shit that. It's no good. Smith has done a good job, the team aren't a mess, the defence has been by  and large solid and if we all stick together there are much better days ahead. Let's not get carried away with the emotion of losing.

I would usually agree with that but we seem to be making the same naive mistakes game after game. To play like we have against 10 men in the last 2 games was criminal.

Offline Rudy65

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2019, 06:38:58 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?

and against a shocking and often bottling team such as Arsenal

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2019, 06:39:20 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?

How about one where people breathe before posting shite.

Ooh look dad, everyone is driving down the motorway the wrong way.

Yes, you're right. Panic Mr Mainwaring.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2019, 06:39:25 PM »
To lose that was criminal, every so often a defeat really stings and here is the first one this season (Spurs and Bournemouth weren't too bad for different reasons).

Yes Arsenal away is a bonus game in the bigger picture but way it panned out we shouldn't have lost that ffs.

Worse thing for me is we had the warning from 70th minute with loads of Arsenal corners and chances they just missed.

We made two changes 15 minutes later kicking off after conceding the third!

If he dosen't feel he has enough options on the bench to make changes to hang onto a 2-1 away from home with just fifteen minutes left well to me it dosen't say much about our 150m spend.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2019, 06:39:29 PM »
I think we just need to calm down. As I put in the match thread this isn’t a shock, we’ve lost these sort of games for years. We’re 4 points off 6th having played spurs & arsenal away and Everton & West Ham at home. He is clearly a good manager who is implementing a system which our club can be identified by. He will have wanted a striker and another winger in the summer I am sure but it is very difficult to just sign fourteen players in one window. He has done things that have frustrates me, the decision to spend £12 million on konsa (probably a season early than he is ready) instead of bringing in a striker I will never understand. But he has earned the right to have the season and as long as we finish above 17th I for one will be happy. This Villa team more than any needs our support. I think we will be better after Burnley and Norwich points wise.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2019, 06:39:37 PM »
An Arsenal team that was just run ragged by W8tford.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #70 on: September 22, 2019, 06:39:43 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?

How about one where people breathe before posting shite.

It’s not shite though. Perfectly reasonable observations. It’s also a pattern of similar errors that Smith needs to address.

Offline Rudy65

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2019, 06:40:35 PM »
Another week of mistakes we shouldn't be making. 'You get punished for those in this league.' Next week we'll give away a stupid goal, penalty (thus goal) or someone will get sent off. FS. Why are footballers stupid?

Why is it also that we're appalling playing against 10 men? Just almost always historically struggle like no other. It's been decades since I saw the opposition get a sending off and thought 'oh goody, we've got an advantage here.' It's a fucking death knell.

We're a lot better than 2015 but the league is also better. Shape up ffs. Smith's making some headscratching decisions too. I'm pleased big Wes got on the score sheet, because ultimately, if we're gonna stay up he's got to hit double figures.

I grant you we've played a top 4 side and should probably expect to get beaten on their patch but being okay and losing just means you go down. That's a chance blown and puts pressure on the games we should be expecting results in. Every bottom 12 team that stays up this year is going to do so by pulling off 1-2 unexpected results.

They arent a top 4 side and had 10 men. That gives us a massive advantage

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2019, 06:41:06 PM »
I don’t think we’re fucked. I think there is some good in there too, it’s just naive mistakes and game management that’s costing us.

We couldn’t play in the championship when we had 10 men behind the ball, so why try it in the Premier League??? Teams like Arsenal punish tactics like that.

Why did we not bring Hourihane on when Trezeguet went off? Trezeguet worked himself into the ground today, and we replaced his energy with a championship standard defender. Such poor decision making.

I’m actually furious though. Not felt this angry after a game in a long long time.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2019, 06:42:04 PM »
Really over the top reactions.

We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?

How about one where people breathe before posting shite.

Try giving it a go and see if it works for you.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2019, 06:42:09 PM »
I know I bored everyone shitless with this in pre-season but the folly of going into the Premier League with a manager and squad  who had precious little - and in some cases zero - experience of it is becoming evident.

 


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