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Author Topic: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread  (Read 12152 times)

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #165 on: September 22, 2019, 07:47:13 PM »
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"That is two weeks in a row that teams down to 10 men have affected us badly. We have addressed it in the dressing room.

"I don't know if it is a lack of belief or tiredness, which it shouldn't be. We should be creating the chances but we weren't.

"We showed we are dangerous and scored a good goal, concede one and then show it again. But we got deeper and deeper and you can't do that. It is game management. It has cost us dearly this season.

"When you force pressure on yourself you get punished. We need to capitalise when things go for us in the game.

Sounds like some strong words and ideas being passed around. Good. There's a problem with fear.

As an aside, Elmo's wife and two children were stood near to me. Utterly adorable little girl with her teddy going barmy when her dad came on.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2019, 07:48:45 PM »
I was not able to watch or listen to this but itís too soon to be saying relegation scrap. We need to adapt to this league and to be fair despite that run last year we hardly ripped the championship in half to get up. New team, very naive manager at moment but we cannot keep looking for the new messiah by changing managers. Yes we were wasteful but we have a hell of a lot to learn in this league as the complacency of being Aston Villa and expecting to be in the premier league needs rethinking. Keep the faith and itís a long way from Tim nice but dims Leicester debacle. It will click it just needs time and luck

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #167 on: September 22, 2019, 07:49:11 PM »
At this rate Mr Terry will be the Manager by the next international break.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #168 on: September 22, 2019, 07:49:46 PM »
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"That is two weeks in a row that teams down to 10 men have affected us badly. We have addressed it in the dressing room.

"I don't know if it is a lack of belief or tiredness, which it shouldn't be. We should be creating the chances but we weren't.

"We showed we are dangerous and scored a good goal, concede one and then show it again. But we got deeper and deeper and you can't do that. It is game management. It has cost us dearly this season.

"When you force pressure on yourself you get punished. We need to capitalise when things go for us in the game.

As an aside, Elmo's wife and two children were stood near to me. Utterly adorable little girl with her teddy going barmy when her dad came on.

Ffs, even his own child could see that it was the wrong sub, sort it out Deano.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #169 on: September 22, 2019, 07:51:34 PM »
Itís the hope that kills you.

Losing 3-2 away to Arsenal is not generally relegation form. We scored 2 good goals.

I think maybe 433 away at Arsenal wasnít the best idea, and Iím sure Dean is now fully aware of this.

I have faith.

Thats the worst Arsenal side I can recall in over 25 years. They are a nothing team, like most in this division, with their fans on the backs and the manager on the verge of getting fired I suspect.

1-0 up with an extra man for over 50 mins and to lose 3-2 is completely unacceptable.

Same Monday night, a man up for over 30 mins against a very average West Ham side at home and failing to win is extremely poor.

Those 5 additional points could prove very costly later in the season.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #170 on: September 22, 2019, 07:51:57 PM »
At this rate Mr Terry will be the Manager by the next international break.

Nonsense.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #171 on: September 22, 2019, 07:55:46 PM »
I think we need to perhaps recalibrate our reality if we think a a side who finished with 70 points are a nothing team. Not as good as they were, undoubtedly, but let's not be daft.

Equally, a very average West Ham, who beat Man United today comfortably and have about £150 million of forward players.
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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #172 on: September 22, 2019, 07:55:50 PM »
I agree that it wasnít a particularly impressive Arsenal side, thought the midfielder with the big hair drove the play well, other than that bang average.

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« Reply #173 on: September 22, 2019, 07:56:47 PM »
On the subject of the Arses. Their fans are the most pathetic, whining b-stards out there. They forced Wenger out, when he had given them more than they deserved. Today all through the game on tw-tter they were calling for Emery to be sacked. They really are a sad shower of self entitled pr-cks.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #174 on: September 22, 2019, 07:59:21 PM »
I think we need to perhaps recalibrate our reality if we think a a side who finished with 70 points are a nothing team. Not as good as they were, undoubtedly, but let's not be daft.

Equally, a very average West Ham, who beat Man United today comfortably and have about £150 million of forward players.

Am glad you said it, I felt dirty complimenting either of them!

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #175 on: September 22, 2019, 07:59:56 PM »
Thought we were desperately poor early on. AEG failing to track the full back in the first min should have led to an Arsenal goal. As expected, they were as nervous as we were and first goal was going to be crucial. Credit El Ghazi for the cross and McGinn for making the run, untracked by Ghendouzi. Thought Maitland Niles second yellow was harsh but he shouldnt have been diving in like that when booked already (good run from AEG drew the first yellow).
You would think after Monday night, we would be a lot better off for the experience of playing with an extra man. Especially against an Arsenal midfield badly lacking mobility (Xhaka and Ceballos were hopeless). Smith's go to attacking change bringing Elmo on the right didnt have the desired effect to put it mildly. But the crucial subs were a few minutes later, Emery, possibly facing the sack,  went for a double change in midfield and immediately Arsenal took charge, Ghendouzi hit the post and it seemed they had the extra man. Villa at sea on the pitch and on the sideline. Penalty was harsh enough I thought, Engels had little option with the ball, Trez hid from the pass, good run but wasnt much contact I thought. Grealish finally produced a moment of quality a few minutes later but we never seemed comfortable even at 1-2. Again Smith badly found wanting. Diabolical second goal conceded, AEG not tracking the run (trademark), Mings not clearing his lines, Taylor glued to the spot. Third was brutal too, shot wasnt even in corner, poor wall and Grealish poor again. Bit unlucky not to get a penalty from Hourihane's shot but we didnt deserve anything.

Heaton 5- needs to take a share of the blame for the hologram of a wall for the winner
Guilbert 6 - bit lightweight but his pace gives us options, needs to use ball better and his crosses were both unnecessary and predictable
Engels 6 - our best player for most of the game but at fault arguably for two goals
Mings 7 - dominant for most of it but crazy decision to head towards Taylor cost us a goal
Taylor 5 - thought he was solid enough for most of the game, after second goal went in he lost the plot
Nakamba 6 - solid enough and looks a decent addition, didnt do enough to keep us playing with an extra man though
McGinn 7 - deserved the goal and a danger throughout but not managing his energy properly nor contributing enough to keeping the ball
Grealish 5 - provided the best moment of quality in the game but that aside his performance was unacceptable, he should be thriving against 10 men but rarely took responsibility in or out of possession. question mark over captaincy for me
AEG 5 - like Grealish in that a single assist cant paper over the cracks of his performance, without the ball a liability as proved for the second goal and numerous poor decisions with it. Frustrating as clearly has talent
Trez 5 - worked hard without the ball but precious little quality with it. His pace is useful but a very limited player Im afraid. Poor for the first goal.
Wesley 5 - The goal added about 2 marks to his score, really poor in general play against a pair of centre backs that have been in poor form. Like most was hoping he would have been taken on at half time.

Elmo 4 - horrible but not his fault, reminds me of McLeish playing Hutton right wing v Spurs
Hourihane was lively when he came in, Lansbury seemed to be brought on at left wing!

Smith 3 - Another Dean Smith tactical horror show Im afraid. We have had 80-90mins in the last two games with an extra man and been genuinely clueless. Subs and timing of them a huge problem now.

Really interesting post. I agree with your thinking that I think you're saying in that foreign managers are far more likely to roll the dice at key moments in games when he made that double change that gave them much more mobility in central midfield to nulifiy McGinn. It's not like Emery was bringing on world class players either, think Willock has five premier league games in his career. As you say a comeback that arguably has kept him in a job as defeat and Arsenal fans would've be giving it lots on social media as they were doing in the first half.

Always feels to me British managers would rather try and get over the line battered and bruised rather than freshing things up, battling in the trenches if you want to use that analogy.

One manager rolled the dice with 25 minutes left and it worked out o.k for him.

Sure they'll be some disagreement on the playing ratings but interesting stuff aside from that.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #176 on: September 22, 2019, 08:00:01 PM »
On the subject of the Arses. Their fans are the most pathetic, whining b-stards out there. They forced Wenger out, when he had given them more than they deserved. Today all through the game on tw-tter they were calling for Emery to be sacked. They really are a sad shower of self entitled pr-cks.
they are a horrible club with shyster players and pathetic fans.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #177 on: September 22, 2019, 08:01:01 PM »
I think we need to perhaps recalibrate our reality if we think a a side who finished with 70 points are a nothing team. Not as good as they were, undoubtedly, but let's not be daft.

Equally, a very average West Ham, who beat Man United today comfortably and have about £150 million of forward players.

Am glad you said it, I felt dirty complimenting either of them!

Through gritted teeth. But we've been gone 3 years and gone for 10 as anything other than a joke. Things change, Arsenal have got worse, but when was the last time we finished with 70 points and got to a European final? Nothing team? Just nonsense.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #178 on: September 22, 2019, 08:01:44 PM »
McGinn said: "That is two weeks in a row that teams down to 10 men have affected us badly. We have addressed it in the dressing room.

"I don't know if it is a lack of belief or tiredness, which it shouldn't be. We should be creating the chances but we weren't.

"We showed we are dangerous and scored a good goal, concede one and then show it again. But we got deeper and deeper and you can't do that. It is game management. It has cost us dearly this season.


"When you force pressure on yourself you get punished. We need to capitalise when things go for us in the game.

See he can spot it.

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Re: Arsenal v Aston Villa Post-Surrender Thread
« Reply #179 on: September 22, 2019, 08:01:48 PM »
Having calmed down a bit i'm still trying to come to terms with that.

It was a surrender for sure, a weak soft bellied surrender at that. But it didn't surprise me one bit.

Even at 1-2 up, i didn't sense/see belief in the players that we could go on and win it. And at 2-2 there was only one result likely to happen and it did.

But, for all that negatives there were some positives before i went tits up. I'll try to cling onto those.

But rest assured, if we don't learn to kill off, or see out games we're going straight back down for certain. And that would be a disaster for the club.

Sort it out Dean/John/Richard, and the same message goes out to all the players. It's a collective problem and needs a collective solution.