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Author Topic: Great players, Hopeless Managers  (Read 2459 times)

Offline West Derby Villan

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2019, 05:29:43 PM »
Bruce Rioch, great for us, but not very successful with Arsenal

Offline SteveN

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2019, 05:37:57 PM »
Bruce Rioch, great for us, but not very successful with Arsenal

But he did sign Dennis Bergkamp.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2019, 06:33:13 PM »
Not sure why Hoddle would be included in a list of hopeless managers. He might not be very nice but his management record is decent enough.

You could make a case that Hughes and even Robson did okay, too.


To be fair to Hoddle he has held six management jobs and did quite well in the first four. He got Swindon promoted into the top flight, started the ball rolling at Chelsea and got them to an FA Cup final, was doing quite well with England and lost his job for non footballing reasons and then had a solid season at Southampton. He then under performed at Spurs and Wolves and if I remember right Wolves were pretty skint at the time he was there.

Offline nigel

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2019, 08:43:03 PM »
Thierry Henry

Offline Sexual Ealing

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2019, 09:24:02 PM »
Would Remi Garde be thought of as a great player?

He wasn't terrible or anything, but "great"?

He was not great at all. Extremely forgettable, in fact.

Offline wittonwarrior

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2019, 09:50:44 PM »
Tony adams, shearer, Colin Harvey, Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, and the latest fall guy woodgate

Offline Risso

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2019, 09:51:24 PM »
Tony Adams
Paul Gascoigne (given the Kettering job by somebody I was at school with)

Offline Damo70

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2019, 11:08:49 PM »
Tony adams, shearer, Colin Harvey, Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, and the latest fall guy woodgate

It always surprises me that the only managerial jobs in England Bobby Moore got were Oxford City (where I think Harry Redknapp was his assistant) and Southend.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2019, 11:11:04 PM »
Bruce Rioch, great for us, but not very successful with Arsenal

But he did sign Dennis Bergkamp.


I think that was mainly a David Dein signing.

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2019, 12:21:27 AM »
Chris Waddle.

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2019, 08:29:03 AM »
Do I dare say Trevor Francis?!

Offline Damo70

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2019, 01:13:04 PM »
Do I dare say Trevor Francis?!


He got Sheffield Wednesday to two cup finals and qualified for Europe via the League. But it was mostly with the squad BFR had taken to promotion and the League Cup the previous season. He also got Small Heath to the League Cup final and into the play offs twice but failed to get promotion despite being given four or five years to do it and spent quite a lot on signings and wages in that time.

Offline Ger Regan

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2019, 05:19:29 PM »
Jaap Stam?, Paul Scholes, Sol Campbell, Alan Shearer
Including Sol Campbell is very harsh. He did very well at Macclesfield last season from a very tricky position when he joined.

Offline Woofles The Wonder Dog

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2019, 05:47:10 PM »
Jaap Stam?, Paul Scholes, Sol Campbell, Alan Shearer
Including Sol Campbell is very harsh. He did very well at Macclesfield last season from a very tricky position when he joined.

It's not just harsh it is, by any lower league standards, plain wrong.

Offline somec

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Re: Great players, Hopeless Managers
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2019, 05:49:34 PM »
Do I dare say Trevor Francis?!


He got Sheffield Wednesday to two cup finals and qualified for Europe via the League. But it was mostly with the squad BFR had taken to promotion and the League Cup the previous season. He also got Small Heath to the League Cup final and into the play offs twice but failed to get promotion despite being given four or five years to do it and spent quite a lot on signings and wages in that time.

I totally forgot that Trev managed Sheffield Wednesday!

I guess my main memory of his managerial career is the hissy fit when the penalties were taken at the wrong end of the ground and the subsequent tears.