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Offline Diablo

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2019, 03:53:37 AM »
As much as I dislike Chelski, well done Tammy. 

Offline purpletrousers

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2019, 08:19:54 AM »
I was pleased on Twitter to see that a Baggies fan who tried to start the ĎTown full of P****í chant at Luton was shouted down and reported by his fellow fans around him so that he was thrown out and hopefully will face further action to keep him away.
Fair play to those (especially the first) who spoke up. Thatís whatís needed. EVERY TIME.
Every time these types of one of insults or chants are out there, there are people around them who know itís wrong but donít do anything. That has to stop now....there are enough ways to challenge it without putting yourself at risk.
This. There are many fine posts on here some similar to this by amfy. I believe fellow fan action is the best and most effective medicine when it happens in the ground.

Appreciating the thoughtful posts on here and yes kudos to the first baggies fan that spoke up. Itís an encouraging minority influence that feels ripe for action in contrast to the minority/majority influence that risks getting activated.

The question is more challenging (going off topic) around homophobic comments/chants Iím sure there was still stuff I heard last season, though canít remember what. Iíd still love a rainbow Tommy Hitz banner at the ground - whatís the best way to action that?

Offline algy

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2019, 09:46:14 AM »
Appreciating the thoughtful posts on here and yes kudos to the first baggies fan that spoke up. Itís an encouraging minority influence that feels ripe for action in contrast to the minority/majority influence that risks getting activated.

The question is more challenging (going off topic) around homophobic comments/chants Iím sure there was still stuff I heard last season, though canít remember what. Iíd still love a rainbow Tommy Hitz banner at the ground - whatís the best way to action that?
I think that'd be a fantastic thing to do.

Offline leylandalbion

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2019, 09:53:37 AM »
Appreciating the thoughtful posts on here and yes kudos to the first baggies fan that spoke up. Itís an encouraging minority influence that feels ripe for action in contrast to the minority/majority influence that risks getting activated.

The question is more challenging (going off topic) around homophobic comments/chants Iím sure there was still stuff I heard last season, though canít remember what. Iíd still love a rainbow Tommy Hitz banner at the ground - whatís the best way to action that?
I think that'd be a fantastic thing to do.
Message the project b6 guys

Offline Risso

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2019, 10:09:40 AM »


Appreciating the thoughtful posts on here and yes kudos to the first baggies fan that spoke up. Itís an encouraging minority influence that feels ripe for action in contrast to the minority/majority influence that risks getting activated.

The question is more challenging (going off topic) around homophobic comments/chants Iím sure there was still stuff I heard last season, though canít remember what. Iíd still love a rainbow Tommy Hitz banner at the ground - whatís the best way to action that?

Well you could make one yourself I suppose, but maybe try to get Hitz involved?

You could have a word with my mate Rob, whoís a designer and good mates with Hitz.

https://twitter.com/real_rob_warner

Offline Diablo

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2019, 01:22:28 PM »
Appreciating the thoughtful posts on here and yes kudos to the first baggies fan that spoke up. Itís an encouraging minority influence that feels ripe for action in contrast to the minority/majority influence that risks getting activated.

The question is more challenging (going off topic) around homophobic comments/chants Iím sure there was still stuff I heard last season, though canít remember what. Iíd still love a rainbow Tommy Hitz banner at the ground - whatís the best way to action that?
I think that'd be a fantastic thing to do.
Would be brilliant if this happened.

Offline purpletrousers

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2019, 01:52:23 PM »


Appreciating the thoughtful posts on here and yes kudos to the first baggies fan that spoke up. Itís an encouraging minority influence that feels ripe for action in contrast to the minority/majority influence that risks getting activated.

The question is more challenging (going off topic) around homophobic comments/chants Iím sure there was still stuff I heard last season, though canít remember what. Iíd still love a rainbow Tommy Hitz banner at the ground - whatís the best way to action that?

Well you could make one yourself I suppose, but maybe try to get Hitz involved?

You could have a word with my mate Rob, whoís a designer and good mates with Hitz.

https://twitter.com/real_rob_warner
Appreciating the responses. I wasnít at the TV game immediately after the time Hitz came out, I flagged it up then, trying to remember/dig out what wording I suggested.

Probably some sort of Ďone of usí message.

Will do Risso. Iíll Whatís app you and maybe you could give Rob a heads up, sound like he could be the man!

Doing occasional mental health project work in Uganda, bizarrely I also think itís about the best way to change stuff there, through footy here... now we are back the time feels right.

Offline Risso

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2019, 02:02:19 PM »
No problem, I'll drop him a line and introduce him to you.

Offline Three Spires Villa

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2019, 07:30:40 PM »
A few years ago when I sat in the north stand upper, I got into an argument with a Villa fan (?) who kept going on about gas / Jews etc. I stood up told him to shut up and the stewards had a go at me & only two fans behind me argued my case. The idiot even said didnít I applaud Boise at Spurs & his nazi salute. I told him very loudly I bloody didnít. Next home game v Everton, which was a 3-3 draw, I walked in and people were laughing at me, & taking the piss, saying what my problem was.It put me off saying anything again. This was under MON so not that long ago. Hopefully today it would be different

Offline Three Spires Villa

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2019, 07:32:23 PM »
Sorry the game I mentioned was v Spurs around March time. Horrible day

Offline purpletrousers

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2019, 08:58:47 PM »
Thatís sad to hear. I had a similar horrible experience at Spurs Iíve referenced too many times on here, when I broke after putting up with half a match of the nonsense from some young villa fans. The level of my anger no one dared challenge me, and they were shocked in fact couldnít quite process the idea of singing about foreskins and auschwitz was racist.

Itís prety shocking you got that response so recently, mine was closer to the turn of the millennium. Iím pretty confident youíd get more support these days, I think post Brexit open season and resultant recent publicity has hopefully forced people to take a stand, plus ever consistent right noises from club, a post saville/#metoo/football abuse duty of care era that I think wonít reverse...

I also failed to stand up to it once in the Holte and have vowed never again on race. Itís homophoboa that I fear is still too often ďjust a laughĒ and I fear Iíd not get much support if I challenged, but probably will still challenge.

So far so good in my new ST seat in the lower Holte, the level of nonsense around isnít too bad. The bloke behind who loudly shouted Mings or Engels *every* time either went to make a clearance against Bournemouth even toned it down marginally against Everton!

Iíd even be tempted to give that feedback to Head of Stewarding and make sure they are briefing well.

Offline Three Spires Villa

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Re: Player Racist Abuse
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2019, 08:37:27 AM »
Since I relocated to the lower holte, about 5 seasons ago, I havenít heard any racist comments. I wish at the time I had reported it to Villa and the attitude of the steward who wasnít interested in what was said, but more concerned that I was stood up. I do worry for the first player who comes out.