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Offline AsTallAsLions

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1095 on: November 15, 2019, 02:30:36 PM »
It was clear and obvious that it was scored against Spurs.

Very good.

Offline mrfuse

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1096 on: November 15, 2019, 02:36:19 PM »
If they are to continue with VAR, I like the idea of limiting the decision making time to say something like 30 seconds.
So the Sheffield United goal would have stood, because they wouldn't have time to bring up all the lines and micro check the details.

Id prefer not to have it at all, but if are going to be subjected to it perhaps that would speed up the process plus it would fit in with the clear and obvious agenda.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1097 on: November 15, 2019, 06:32:34 PM »
The big point was about the spontaneity of celebration, which is the heart of the game, being killed.
It's the number one reason why i believe var will ultimitely fail. I am also of the opinion that it's been deliberately sabotaged by the referees. The game belongs to the clubs and the fans not the bloody refs. They should be held responsible for this current fuckfest. What's to stop the PL setting up a kind of refereeing training centre? Train up some new guys to a high standard and get rid of the current crop? After all not one was adjudged good enough for the last world cup.
Oh, VAR Will not 'fail' - the genie is out of the bottle, and VAR will prevail - the issue is in what format the technology will ultimately be used. As I said on the previous page, the problem is with its application and - perhaps more importantly - with the concept that referees should judge whether to apply the rules or not: I think our Friend deliberately blew his whistle at CP in order not to have to go through a VAR Appeal, and that judgement call makes me very cynical. My cynicism was deepened against Liverpool, when VAR checked for a penalty after having already booked Mane for diving (how weird was that?!).

Online The Edge

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1098 on: November 15, 2019, 09:27:23 PM »
The big point was about the spontaneity of celebration, which is the heart of the game, being killed.
It's the number one reason why i believe var will ultimitely fail. I am also of the opinion that it's been deliberately sabotaged by the referees. The game belongs to the clubs and the fans not the bloody refs. They should be held responsible for this current fuckfest. What's to stop the PL setting up a kind of refereeing training centre? Train up some new guys to a high standard and get rid of the current crop? After all not one was adjudged good enough for the last world cup.
Oh, VAR Will not 'fail' - the genie is out of the bottle, and VAR will prevail - the issue is in what format the technology will ultimately be used. As I said on the previous page, the problem is with its application and - perhaps more importantly - with the concept that referees should judge whether to apply the rules or not: I think our Friend deliberately blew his whistle at CP in order not to have to go through a VAR Appeal, and that judgement call makes me very cynical. My cynicism was deepened against Liverpool, when VAR checked for a penalty after having already booked Mane for diving (how weird was that?!).
Maybe it can survive but it will have to be very different to the crap we're seeing at the moment. As London Villan said above ^^ it's ruining the spontaneity of celebrating a goal which is the very essence of going to a match. That has got to stop. Come the business end of the season and var costs a club a title or a cup or is responsible for relegating someone, there could be ructions. The shit could hit the fan big time then who knows what would happen?
« Last Edit: November 16, 2019, 07:04:45 AM by The Edge »

Offline dcdavecollett

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1099 on: November 16, 2019, 12:00:33 AM »
Is there anyone on here, or anyone who has spoken to another football fan, who would currently give VAR 7/10? I think this clearly demonstrates how out of touch these tw*ts really are.

Thanks to the poster for pointing out that Jack is booked for diving, so can't be checked on VAR, while Mane is booked for diving, and the decision is duly checked by VAR.


Two completely different approaches to identical situations. it would be nice to put it down to both refs being horrendously shite/corrupt, but the system is as bad as they are -some achievement!!


After Sunday, I would clone Michael Oliver and Andrew Taylor repeatedly until shite refs are driven out of the game. Pawson isn't too bad, either. Who was the ref who covered the home game against Millwall last season? He was very good.

Anyone else think of any refs who would make the quality cut?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1100 on: November 16, 2019, 08:14:59 AM »
I was reluctant to post this as I expect to be shot down in flames but it has been nagging at me. At the Liverpool game I was on the front row of Trinity Middle right behind the ref assistant when he flagged Firmino offside. He looked well off and around me fans were wondering what VAR was checking. I suspect that the freeze frame was  before the ball was played and before he moved offside.

Online The Edge

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1101 on: November 17, 2019, 01:04:38 PM »
I was reluctant to post this as I expect to be shot down in flames but it has been nagging at me. At the Liverpool game I was on the front row of Trinity Middle right behind the ref assistant when he flagged Firmino offside. He looked well off and around me fans were wondering what VAR was checking. I suspect that the freeze frame was  before the ball was played and before he moved offside.
That hits the nail on the head for me. The offside rule is as follows "if a attacking player is deemed to be in front of the last defender WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED he will be judged to be offside" How can they give a player offside for the width of his boot leather when they can't tell the precise moment the ball leaves the pasding players boot? It simply can't be that accurate. It's total nonsense and i'm waiting for a club to challenge this when a goal is disallowed for such a fine margin which costs that club dearly.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1102 on: November 17, 2019, 01:05:30 PM »
I was reluctant to post this as I expect to be shot down in flames but it has been nagging at me. At the Liverpool game I was on the front row of Trinity Middle right behind the ref assistant when he flagged Firmino offside. He looked well off and around me fans were wondering what VAR was checking. I suspect that the freeze frame was  before the ball was played and before he moved offside.
That hits the nail on the head for me. The offside rule is as follows "if an attacking player is deemed to be in front of the last defender WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED he will be judged to be offside" How can they give a player offside for the width of his boot leather when they can't tell the precise moment the ball leaves the pasding players boot? It simply can't be that accurate. It's total nonsense and i'm waiting for a club to challenge this when a goal is disallowed for such a fine margin which costs that club dearly.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1103 on: November 17, 2019, 01:18:40 PM »
Is there anyone on here, or anyone who has spoken to another football fan, who would currently give VAR 7/10? I think this clearly demonstrates how out of touch these tw*ts really are.

Thanks to the poster for pointing out that Jack is booked for diving, so can't be checked on VAR, while Mane is booked for diving, and the decision is duly checked by VAR.


Two completely different approaches to identical situations. it would be nice to put it down to both refs being horrendously shite/corrupt, but the system is as bad as they are -some achievement!!


After Sunday, I would clone Michael Oliver and Andrew Taylor repeatedly until shite refs are driven out of the game. Pawson isn't too bad, either. Who was the ref who covered the home game against Millwall last season? He was very good.

Anyone else think of any refs who would make the quality cut?
I would advocate a referees college where they could recruit younger and fitter therefore more suitable people for the job. They could be trained to a high standard before replacing the ones we currently use.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1104 on: November 17, 2019, 03:56:31 PM »
I was reluctant to post this as I expect to be shot down in flames but it has been nagging at me. At the Liverpool game I was on the front row of Trinity Middle right behind the ref assistant when he flagged Firmino offside. He looked well off and around me fans were wondering what VAR was checking. I suspect that the freeze frame was  before the ball was played and before he moved offside.
That hits the nail on the head for me. The offside rule is as follows "if a attacking player is deemed to be in front of the last defender WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED he will be judged to be offside" How can they give a player offside for the width of his boot leather when they can't tell the precise moment the ball leaves the pasding players boot? It simply can't be that accurate. It's total nonsense and i'm waiting for a club to challenge this when a goal is disallowed for such a fine margin which costs that club dearly.
I agree if they are downto millimeters they are in to split seconds and there is no way they can be absolutely certain.
Because they have said offside has to be based on fact and not obvious error they ave fucked themselves completely. Idiots

Online The Edge

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1105 on: November 17, 2019, 05:17:46 PM »
I was reluctant to post this as I expect to be shot down in flames but it has been nagging at me. At the Liverpool game I was on the front row of Trinity Middle right behind the ref assistant when he flagged Firmino offside. He looked well off and around me fans were wondering what VAR was checking. I suspect that the freeze frame was  before the ball was played and before he moved offside.
That hits the nail on the head for me. The offside rule is as follows "if a attacking player is deemed to be in front of the last defender WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED he will be judged to be offside" How can they give a player offside for the width of his boot leather when they can't tell the precise moment the ball leaves the pasding players boot? It simply can't be that accurate. It's total nonsense and i'm waiting for a club to challenge this when a goal is disallowed for such a fine margin which costs that club dearly.
I agree if they are downto millimeters they are in to split seconds and there is no way they can be absolutely certain.
Because they have said offside has to be based on fact and not obvious error they ave fucked themselves completely. Idiots
I've had this debate with a few var lovers but for some reason they can't or won't accept the point. They churn out offside is offside even if it is a millimetre. When i say to them if you're giving offside for millimetres you have to be certain of the precise moment the ball leaves the passing players boot they switch off or say i'm being pedantic. But i'm not. I'm really not.

Offline dcdavecollett

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1106 on: November 17, 2019, 11:35:29 PM »
You can learn a lot from studying Villa's goal at Wolves. Shot over the line or not? Check on the watch and correct decision made within about five seconds -surely the model for delivering VAR decisions? Not the rubbish we get now!

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1107 on: November 18, 2019, 08:31:17 AM »
You can learn a lot from studying Villa's goal at Wolves. Shot over the line or not? Check on the watch and correct decision made within about five seconds -surely the model for delivering VAR decisions? Not the rubbish we get now!

I agree. But to achieve that you would need Laser/sensor technology to map every millimetre of the entire length of the pitch.  Doable but at what cost?

Offline Nev

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« Reply #1108 on: November 18, 2019, 08:54:10 AM »
You can learn a lot from studying Villa's goal at Wolves. Shot over the line or not? Check on the watch and correct decision made within about five seconds -surely the model for delivering VAR decisions? Not the rubbish we get now!

I agree. But to achieve that you would need Laser/sensor technology to map every millimetre of the entire length of the pitch.  Doable but at what cost?

That system is perfect for matter of fact decisions, but the issue with VAR is the subjective ones. One mans foul is another mans good tackle, this is the fundamental problem with VAR, you can't turn a matter of opinion into a matter of fact no matter how hard you try. VAR was fatally flawed from the start, but the clamour to introduce it, under the cloak of "getting decisions correct" ignored this. And here we are.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1109 on: November 18, 2019, 10:26:16 AM »
You can learn a lot from studying Villa's goal at Wolves. Shot over the line or not? Check on the watch and correct decision made within about five seconds -surely the model for delivering VAR decisions? Not the rubbish we get now!

I agree. But to achieve that you would need Laser/sensor technology to map every millimetre of the entire length of the pitch.  Doable but at what cost?

That system is perfect for matter of fact decisions, but the issue with VAR is the subjective ones. One mans foul is another mans good tackle, this is the fundamental problem with VAR, you can't turn a matter of opinion into a matter of fact no matter how hard you try. VAR was fatally flawed from the start, but the clamour to introduce it, under the cloak of "getting decisions correct" ignored this. And here we are.

The clamour to introduce it based on "the technology is there, why don't we use it?" We've gone from 3 blokes, two with a flag, one with a whistle and goal line technology. The assumption that the technology is there is akin to the Wright Brother's first flight and a week later wanting to know why they haven't landed on the moon.  It's going to take time.