The other difference with rugby is that a try depends on the ball being grounded, which is quite often hard for the referee to see properly if there's 4 or 5 players on top of the person trying to score the try. With football, that isn't the case and goal-line technology has easily eradicated the question of whether the ball has crossed the line or not. On Saturday, Conor had clearly lashed the ball into the net. The referee rightly gave the goal, and nobody was complaining about it. For VAR to then overrule it, was both wrong, and also against the spirit of the so-called "high bar".
Yes but that's why it's worth doing. The game as a whole will benefit enormously.
‘Soccer is not about justice. It’s a drama – and criminally wrong decisions against you are part and parcel of that.’ Pete Davies
Quote from: paul_e on October 23, 2019, 10:42:47 AMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on October 23, 2019, 08:17:38 AMin football almost all fans think that almost all refs are fucking shit and it will take a lot of work to turn that around.Yes but that's why it's worth doing. The game as a whole will benefit enormously.
Quote from: AsTallAsLions on October 23, 2019, 08:17:38 AMin football almost all fans think that almost all refs are fucking shit and it will take a lot of work to turn that around.Yes but that's why it's worth doing. The game as a whole will benefit enormously.
in football almost all fans think that almost all refs are fucking shit and it will take a lot of work to turn that around.
I don't get that VAR doesn't work in football because there aren't as many breaks. Surely when a goal is scored - and if there is any area of concern from the on field ref or VAR the ref can take time to look at the play back and make the right decision. What baffles me is by giving the goal on Saturday the ref is clearly comfortable with Wesley's challenge and can only therefore be corrected if it is clear and obvious. I've only seen the same angle where his arm is in the air and in the area of the keeper but with no obvious meaningful contact. To be that is not not clear and obvious and certainly not as clear and obvious as the contact on Origi
Quote from: baddowvillans on October 23, 2019, 12:20:31 PMI don't get that VAR doesn't work in football because there aren't as many breaks. Surely when a goal is scored - and if there is any area of concern from the on field ref or VAR the ref can take time to look at the play back and make the right decision. What baffles me is by giving the goal on Saturday the ref is clearly comfortable with Wesley's challenge and can only therefore be corrected if it is clear and obvious. I've only seen the same angle where his arm is in the air and in the area of the keeper but with no obvious meaningful contact. To be that is not not clear and obvious and certainly not as clear and obvious as the contact on OrigiYes, given how VAR has operated to date, it was a truly remarkable decision and I'm surprised there hasn't been more press on it.
On Saturday, Conor had clearly lashed the ball into the net. The referee rightly gave the goal, and nobody was complaining about it. For VAR to then overrule it, was both wrong, and also against the spirit of the so-called "high bar".
Quote from: Risso on October 23, 2019, 10:49:09 AM On Saturday, Conor had clearly lashed the ball into the net. The referee rightly gave the goal, and nobody was complaining about it. For VAR to then overrule it, was both wrong, and also against the spirit of the so-called "high bar".Utterly shit decision. I hope someone cranks up the voltage in the headsets at Stockley Park next week if the numpty who chalked that one off feels like getting involved again.As an aside, it was interesting (shit) to see Kevin Fiend officiating a Premier League match after his performance at Selhurst in the next round of fixtures. I can get why they wouldn't hang him out to try and comment on his performance in public straight after. But he should have been getting League One fixtures for a few weeks after that after a totally dreadful 90 minutes. Instead it was business as usual. No accountability, nada.
Quote from: KevinGage on October 23, 2019, 04:09:56 PMQuote from: Risso on October 23, 2019, 10:49:09 AM On Saturday, Conor had clearly lashed the ball into the net. The referee rightly gave the goal, and nobody was complaining about it. For VAR to then overrule it, was both wrong, and also against the spirit of the so-called "high bar".Utterly shit decision. I hope someone cranks up the voltage in the headsets at Stockley Park next week if the numpty who chalked that one off feels like getting involved again.As an aside, it was interesting (shit) to see Kevin Fiend officiating a Premier League match after his performance at Selhurst in the next round of fixtures. I can get why they wouldn't hang him out to try and comment on his performance in public straight after. But he should have been getting League One fixtures for a few weeks after that after a totally dreadful 90 minutes. Instead it was business as usual. No accountability, nada. I agree and said the same thing recently. The week after that, he was rewarded with a "big" game, Manu v Arsenal.
Quote from: themossman on October 23, 2019, 08:26:17 AMYou can blame football refs for their mistakes but not their siege mentality.Yep. Another one here agreeing with the stance that paul_e and others have got to with VAR. The refs are the problem.While I agree with almost all that themossman says I'd disagree with that last point; what their mentality indicates is that they do NOT have the best interests of the game at heart, only their own. With such a major element of the game at risk now (fairness, an even playing field) and with such a risky experiment being conducted and abused by them I CAN blame them for not taking this opportunity to do the right thing.Yep. I blame them for being insular, blinkered, venal, egocentric cockwombles who deserve to be consigned to the nether reaches of hell for what they are doing to our game. With any luck the clubs, through their ownership of the PL, will take this chance to cut them down to useful size. For all our sakes.
You can blame football refs for their mistakes but not their siege mentality.
Quote from: AllanW on October 23, 2019, 10:19:15 AMQuote from: themossman on October 23, 2019, 08:26:17 AMYou can blame football refs for their mistakes but not their siege mentality.Yep. Another one here agreeing with the stance that paul_e and others have got to with VAR. The refs are the problem.While I agree with almost all that themossman says I'd disagree with that last point; what their mentality indicates is that they do NOT have the best interests of the game at heart, only their own. With such a major element of the game at risk now (fairness, an even playing field) and with such a risky experiment being conducted and abused by them I CAN blame them for not taking this opportunity to do the right thing.Yep. I blame them for being insular, blinkered, venal, egocentric cockwombles who deserve to be consigned to the nether reaches of hell for what they are doing to our game. With any luck the clubs, through their ownership of the PL, will take this chance to cut them down to useful size. For all our sakes. What a load of condescending sanctimonious horseshit.