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Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: The money
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2019, 03:30:01 PM »
Well we enforced them when we went down, as do other clubs. Same as some players have release clauses if their club is relegated, like Gueye did.


And which world-beaters were still physically at Villa by the end of the January after we went down, spearheading our instantaneous return?

I have no idea what that means.

Offline Lastfootstamper

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Re: The money
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2019, 03:42:26 PM »
My point was that if a player is any good, if you try to force them to stay for less money, they'll bugger off regardless. By the time we lost to Forest in our first game of February 2017, none of the "decent" players who'd trudged off the pitch the previous May, Veretout, Amavi, Gueye, Ayew, that ilk, were anywhere to be seen. All gone.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: The money
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2019, 03:54:12 PM »
I doubt any of them would have stayed regardless, Veretout and Gueye had zero interest in playing in division 2. What it did mean is that we weren't financially fucked even quicker. And we weren't forcing any of them to stay, it's the contract they chose to sign. Same as most, if not all, players in the PL have relegation clauses.

Offline eddiemunster

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Re: The money
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2019, 04:20:30 PM »
Sorry, but I think most of you missed my point.
I asked about cash payouts for being promoted, then being relegated the following season.
Not about players contractual agreements.
Danno gave me the answer.

Offline Ad@m

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Re: The money
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2019, 04:22:16 PM »
What?  You expect a thread on H&V to remain on topic?!?!

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: The money
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2019, 04:26:36 PM »
Sorry, but I think most of you missed my point.
I asked about cash payouts for being promoted, then being relegated the following season.
Not about players contractual agreements.
Danno gave me the answer.

And another conversation started, so no one missed your point as it had already been answered.

Offline fredm

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Re: The money
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2019, 05:02:32 PM »
I believe Derby also didn't blow away the money during the season they achieved the lowest points total, keeping it to update the club infrastructure etc.
On the point of contracts haven't Man Utd players got a 25% reduction written into their contracts for next season for failing to qualify for Champions League?  I presume if this, and relegation clauses, are  clearly stated in the contract when it is signed then the player has to grin and bear it.

Offline ktvillan

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Re: The money
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2019, 05:06:38 PM »
Sorry, but I think most of you missed my point.
I asked about cash payouts for being promoted, then being relegated the following season.
Not about players contractual agreements.
Danno gave me the answer.

I think the discussion evolved from your original point to a discussion on what does it matter how much money you get if you lose 90% of it in PL level wages anyway, and ways to possibly avoid that.

Offline dcdavecollett

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Re: The money
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2019, 03:22:16 PM »
Presumably, if clubs can protect themselves with relegation clauses then players (and their agents) can protect themselves by demanding reductions in transfer values after relegation?

Offline Ad@m

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Re: The money
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2019, 06:35:35 PM »
What, like a release clause?

Online paul_e

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Re: The money
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2019, 07:16:48 PM »
Presumably, if clubs can protect themselves with relegation clauses then players (and their agents) can protect themselves by demanding reductions in transfer values after relegation?

They do, as both release clauses and as promotion bonuses.

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Re: The money
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2019, 07:55:56 PM »
Wasn't that exactly what happened with Gana Gueye? Got relegated, incurred an automatic wage cut, but Everton were able to buy him for less than we paid due to a relegation release clause. Unless I've misremembered it.

Offline BC Villain

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Re: The money
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2019, 08:33:46 PM »
Maybe slightly of topic, but big talk about Lerner receiving a pay out if we get promoted - think I heard about it when Xia arrived

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Re: The money
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2019, 08:40:30 PM »
Maybe slightly of topic, but big talk about Lerner receiving a pay out if we get promoted - think I heard about it when Xia arrived

Does the change of ownership not nullify that deal?  I hope so.  Lerner deserves nothing.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: The money
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2019, 08:46:21 PM »
Wasn't that exactly what happened with Gana Gueye? Got relegated, incurred an automatic wage cut, but Everton were able to buy him for less than we paid due to a relegation release clause. Unless I've misremembered it.

No, you remembered it perfectly from the previous page  :P

Well we enforced them when we went down, as do other clubs. Same as some players have release clauses if their club is relegated, like Gueye did.

 


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