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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #420 on: May 14, 2019, 08:55:23 PM »
Stokes gone for 37 but a run out and looked in decent form from what I saw. Mo on 29 and Morgan in with him, 34 to win from 8 overs.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #421 on: May 14, 2019, 09:07:11 PM »
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #422 on: May 15, 2019, 09:21:18 AM »
Still not sure what the point is of having Denly in the team

I thought that Archer might be slightly injured but per Steve James of The Times (handy to know the cricket correspondent of a broadsheet), he was being rested and Steve believes that he's already made the WC squad

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #423 on: May 15, 2019, 09:31:15 AM »
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.
England  batting has been just awesome absolutely awesome. However I know Pakistan are no slouches but the bowling  is worrying. Conceding 361 and 358  in two matches is not clever.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #424 on: May 15, 2019, 10:59:40 AM »
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.
England  batting has been just awesome absolutely awesome. However I know Pakistan are no slouches but the bowling  is worrying. Conceding 361 and 358  in two matches is not clever.

Andy Zaltzmann had some stats (can't remember if it was during yesterday's game or the previous one) about England having the best run rate since the last WC of the 2019 WC teams but also having the second worst runs conceded rate.

I know that this has a lot to do with playing on high scoring wickets in the UK but it's still a concerning trend

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #425 on: May 15, 2019, 02:54:15 PM »
All done, Stokes and Ali got good time in the middle and we had 5 overs spare, great batting performance.
England  batting has been just awesome absolutely awesome. However I know Pakistan are no slouches but the bowling  is worrying. Conceding 361 and 358  in two matches is not clever.

Andy Zaltzmann had some stats (can't remember if it was during yesterday's game or the previous one) about England having the best run rate since the last WC of the 2019 WC teams but also having the second worst runs conceded rate.

I know that this has a lot to do with playing on high scoring wickets in the UK but it's still a concerning trend

It is but it's one where I'm not sure how big a concern it is. We score more than anyone else so to make a game of it teams have to be more aggressive against us, particularly if they're chasing. On top of that we, as a bowling attack, seem to be willing to go for a few runs trying something different because we know we can chase down big scores or have plenty on the board.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #426 on: May 15, 2019, 03:04:37 PM »
It's a concern because at the moment England need to score above 350 to win a match. It's going to let them down in a crucial world cup match. In football its equivalent to winning games 3-2 or 4-3.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #427 on: May 15, 2019, 03:51:34 PM »
It's a concern because at the moment England need to score above 350 to win a match. It's going to let them down in a crucial world cup match. In football its equivalent to winning games 3-2 or 4-3.

As I say, I agree it's a concern but I think it's difficult to know how concerned to be. To use your football analogy if you know a team is averaging 3-4 goals a game you're going to change your tactics. At the moment teams seem to have given up trying to stop us scoring them but instead are working on scoring as many as they can themselves, a bit like the Forest game in the Autumn.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #428 on: May 15, 2019, 07:20:06 PM »
We’ll be fine once Jofra is in.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #429 on: May 16, 2019, 01:32:31 PM »
It's a concern because at the moment England need to score above 350 to win a match. It's going to let them down in a crucial world cup match. In football its equivalent to winning games 3-2 or 4-3.

Agree.  There are going to be games when the batting line up fails to fire up properly and we are left defending a smallish score.  Happened in the semi final of the ICC Champions Trophy a couple of years ago and we never looked anywhere near capable of defending that score.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #430 on: May 16, 2019, 04:35:08 PM »

Agree.  There are going to be games when the batting line up fails to fire up properly and we are left defending a smallish score.  Happened in the semi final of the ICC Champions Trophy a couple of years ago and we never looked anywhere near capable of defending that score.

In that game we scored 211, doing a bit of digging in the cricinfo stats I think there have been 67 matches between test playing nations in the last 5 years where a team has scored that or less in the first innings, the team chasing have won 63 of them. To me it seems obvious that you just don't win those games very often, regardless of how well you bowl.

Personally I think the more interesting stat to measure the bowlers on is the number of times we've bowled teams out, or completed 50 overs, for a 'sub par' score. I'd say, without accounting for conditions, that means anything below 270.

We've bowled first in 44 matches since the start of 2014, we've met my criteria in 17 of those, so a little more than 1 in 3 our bowlers have given us an 'easy' chase.

Then there have been 16 more where we've conceded 271-330 which is pretty much par.

Take away a handful of rain interrupted games and that leaves 8 games where we've been smashed around in the first innings and had a tough target to chase.

I'm not saying there's not room for improvement, just that I don't think it's a major concern.  Sorry if that's a bit long and stat-y.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #431 on: May 16, 2019, 07:08:36 PM »
Archer and Wood (if hes the Wood we say in the Windies) will make a massive difference to this attack.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #432 on: May 16, 2019, 08:18:49 PM »
Archer and Wood (if hes the Wood we say in the Windies) will make a massive difference to this attack.

and a fit Woakes will help, he looked like he was getting there in the last match. Stokes hasn't bowled much this series either and can have much more of an impact.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #433 on: May 17, 2019, 03:22:23 PM »
Pakistan 199-1 (effectively 2 with Imam hurt) from 34.

Only been watch for the last 7-8 overs but we've been excellent. Not taking wickets but doing a great job of slowing their scoring down. Archer in particular just looks really hard to score against.

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Re: The International Cricket Thread 2019
« Reply #434 on: May 17, 2019, 04:34:34 PM »
Pakistan have got the score up a bit but England are getting regular wickets as well, 318-6 (7 really) with 3 overs to go.

Shoaib Malik has just gone wiping out his own stumps.

Wood has been a bit expensive but got a couple of wickets, Curran has bowled really well and Archer has been excellent despite only getting 1 wicket.

Curran got a 4th now.