Quote from: Damo70 on December 18, 2018, 11:57:00 AMWe did well at first under Lerner and MON as they were the right owner and the right manager at the right time. This is now the first time since MON left when we genuinely seem to have the right ownership, structure and key personnel in place. From the moment MON left the club and seemingly also left Lerner terminally disenchanted we have never had the crucial combination of the right owner/owners, right chief exec and right management/coaching team. I am optimistic we now have that.MON and Lerner seemed like the right pairing for a while but ultimately it was a red herring. It was fairly quickly clear (in my view from the "Marlon Harewood moment" ) that MON was a chequebook manager with outdated ideas who spunked the family silver away and then went off in a huff. Lerner was utterly clueless to let him do it and even more clueless without him, as the subsequent 6 or 7 years proved.
We did well at first under Lerner and MON as they were the right owner and the right manager at the right time. This is now the first time since MON left when we genuinely seem to have the right ownership, structure and key personnel in place. From the moment MON left the club and seemingly also left Lerner terminally disenchanted we have never had the crucial combination of the right owner/owners, right chief exec and right management/coaching team. I am optimistic we now have that.
Quote from: ktvillan on December 18, 2018, 09:17:52 PMQuote from: Damo70 on December 18, 2018, 11:57:00 AMWe did well at first under Lerner and MON as they were the right owner and the right manager at the right time. This is now the first time since MON left when we genuinely seem to have the right ownership, structure and key personnel in place. From the moment MON left the club and seemingly also left Lerner terminally disenchanted we have never had the crucial combination of the right owner/owners, right chief exec and right management/coaching team. I am optimistic we now have that.MON and Lerner seemed like the right pairing for a while but ultimately it was a red herring. It was fairly quickly clear (in my view from the "Marlon Harewood moment" ) that MON was a chequebook manager with outdated ideas who spunked the family silver away and then went off in a huff. Lerner was utterly clueless to let him do it and even more clueless without him, as the subsequent 6 or 7 years proved.This, this with fucking bells on.
Spot on. Lessons were not learnt in January 2009 when us and Arsenal were going for 4th. They signed Arshavin and we signed Heskey.
Quote from: Dave P on December 22, 2018, 08:33:15 AMSpot on. Lessons were not learnt in January 2009 when us and Arsenal were going for 4th. They signed Arshavin and we signed Heskey. A pivotal moment in our history indeed.
Quote from: Risso on December 22, 2018, 08:36:00 AMQuote from: Dave P on December 22, 2018, 08:33:15 AMSpot on. Lessons were not learnt in January 2009 when us and Arsenal were going for 4th. They signed Arshavin and we signed Heskey. A pivotal moment in our history indeed.As was selling Cahill to Bolton for 5 million quid and replacing him with Zat Knight for 6 million. One of the most bizzare set of transfer dealings in the clubs history.
Quote from: The Edge on December 22, 2018, 06:17:25 PMQuote from: Risso on December 22, 2018, 08:36:00 AMQuote from: Dave P on December 22, 2018, 08:33:15 AMSpot on. Lessons were not learnt in January 2009 when us and Arsenal were going for 4th. They signed Arshavin and we signed Heskey. A pivotal moment in our history indeed.As was selling Cahill to Bolton for 5 million quid and replacing him with Zat Knight for 6 million. One of the most bizzare set of transfer dealings in the clubs history. Yep, we had Cahill and Mellberg, so he dropped Cahill and pissed Mellberg off by sticking him at right back so that he could accommodate Zat Knight. Brilliant. Then adds Curtis Davies and Carlos Cuellar to the mix, before deciding they are all crap and getting Dunne and Collins in. Brilliant all round from Pubehead.
You forgot Nicholas Shorey.
Quote from: Risso on December 22, 2018, 06:20:05 PMQuote from: The Edge on December 22, 2018, 06:17:25 PMQuote from: Risso on December 22, 2018, 08:36:00 AMQuote from: Dave P on December 22, 2018, 08:33:15 AMSpot on. Lessons were not learnt in January 2009 when us and Arsenal were going for 4th. They signed Arshavin and we signed Heskey. A pivotal moment in our history indeed.As was selling Cahill to Bolton for 5 million quid and replacing him with Zat Knight for 6 million. One of the most bizzare set of transfer dealings in the clubs history. Yep, we had Cahill and Mellberg, so he dropped Cahill and pissed Mellberg off by sticking him at right back so that he could accommodate Zat Knight. Brilliant. Then adds Curtis Davies and Carlos Cuellar to the mix, before deciding they are all crap and getting Dunne and Collins in. Brilliant all round from Pubehead.Don't forget Luke young and Stephen Warnock.Two entire defences bought in consecutive summers.
Quote from: The Edge on December 22, 2018, 06:17:25 PMQuote from: Risso on December 22, 2018, 08:36:00 AMQuote from: Dave P on December 22, 2018, 08:33:15 AMSpot on. Lessons were not learnt in January 2009 when us and Arsenal were going for 4th. They signed Arshavin and we signed Heskey. A pivotal moment in our history indeed.As was selling Cahill to Bolton for 5 million quid and replacing him with Zat Knight for 6 million. One of the most bizzare set of transfer dealings in the clubs history.Not quite as bad as selling Ken McNaught to Albion rather than giving him a new contract then spending twice as much on Steve Foster to replace him and then selling Foster to Luton for half as much as we paid for him and then spending about four times as much as we sold Foster for to buy Paul Elliott who at the time was being kept out of the Luton team by Foster.