Quote from: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 11:26:29 AMQuote from: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 10:22:14 AMQuote from: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 10:04:00 AMOverseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well. John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.Far from it? Despite the lists that have been done to death showing there are plenty who've done very well. Have you not seen the reports of the help that Terry was to Grealish? Or the reports that say he was a great dressing room influence? His attitude to fitness and training? Is Keane your only example?Medals do mean something; success. The question is whether that success is understood and the experience utilised correctly. There are plenty of examples of it working elsewhere too, and we're only using him as one of our assistants.
Quote from: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 10:22:14 AMQuote from: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 10:04:00 AMOverseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well. John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.
Quote from: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 10:04:00 AMOverseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well. John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.
Overseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well. John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.
John Terry has not been parachuted in based on his paying career. Whatever the full reason why he has been given the job, I suspect that high up on the list is the fact that the team has fallen to pieces since the day he left.
Quote from: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 11:48:21 AMQuote from: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 11:26:29 AMQuote from: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 10:22:14 AMQuote from: brontebilly on October 15, 2018, 10:04:00 AMOverseeing a shambles of a transfer window that has left us with one centre half? I'm sure you were all giddy when Lerner and Xia took charge too but lack of effective governance eventually did it for them aswell. The new manager search only adds to the concern as the article articulates well. John Terry coming in as assistant is a farce and puts unnecessary pressure on Smith from day one. Roy Keane wasn't exactly much of a help to Paul Lambert despite his medals.How is John Terry coming in a farce? Just because Roy 'I've got no friends because I'm hard' Keane didn't do very well doesn't mean that Terry will be.In fact, it's pretty clear that the influence that Terry had last year was one of the main reasons we finished as high as we did, without him involved who knows what would have happened with Bruce in charge.As for the Centre Half thing, well I'd argue that is one of the key reasons why we now have a Director of Football and a new structure.The OP highlighted Terrys medals as a big positive. The Keane example (And numerous others) proves that being a top top player does not lend to success on the sideline. Far from it usually.Far from it? Despite the lists that have been done to death showing there are plenty who've done very well. Have you not seen the reports of the help that Terry was to Grealish? Or the reports that say he was a great dressing room influence? His attitude to fitness and training? Is Keane your only example?Medals do mean something; success. The question is whether that success is understood and the experience utilised correctly. There are plenty of examples of it working elsewhere too, and we're only using him as one of our assistants.Go through the 92 managers in the league and see how many of them had stellar playing careers. The highest ranked British one is Mark Hughes and arguably very fortunate to still have a job. Medals as a player mean absolutely nothing, Klopp, Emery, Mourinho, Sarri all achieved very little as players.To pick a handful of players of Terry's stature; Robson, Adams, Ince, Shearer. All leaders on the pitch but clowns on the sideline. The English game has been plagued by ex players being parachuted into management roles based on their playing reputation alone. Which is why it's great to see Dean Smith get a chance but Terry doesn't fit at all. The first pressure that Smith faces and Terrys buddies in the media will be pushing his chances of taking over.Assistant, yes hopefully he will behave himself and be very much under the radar. But this is the same guy as a player that tried to lead a coup against Capello at the 2010WC and publicly get his mate Joe Cole in the side. Not to mention the numerous off field escapades he has been involved in that speak very poorly of his character. Great player but that will matter for little trying to organise our back four on the training field.
I liked "I will take advice and I will take opinions but I will make my decision and when we walk out it's our decision" . A bit of Cloughie there.
Quote from: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 09:50:40 PMI liked "I will take advice and I will take opinions but I will make my decision and when we walk out it's our decision" . A bit of Cloughie there.I picked up on this too, brilliant stuff.Listening to Geno by the Dexy's and reading this thread full of optimism, let the good times roll, I for one can't wait!In Deano we trust.UTV
Quote from: London Villan on October 15, 2018, 03:05:24 PMWhat do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky... This of course!
What do we sing at him? Two syllables make it a bit tricky...
Why doesn't Terry fit? Who are Terry's buddies in the media?
To be honest, I'm wondering how Terry is going to fit in with this as well, especially with Richard O'Kelly there but let's see how it goes. Hopefully, it will be a massive success.