collapse collapse

Please donate to help keep this site going.

The Fanzine

Heroes & Villains Fanzine

Get your fix of all things Claret & Blue by subscribing to the online version!

Follow us on...

Author Topic: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19  (Read 7143 times)

Offline UK Redsox

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 32011
  • Location: Forest of Dean & 'Nam
  • GM : 10.02.2019
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #120 on: October 12, 2018, 12:37:57 PM »
Who says that if you're going to play with wingers, there has to be two of them. Therefore, how about a lopsided formation:


A Keeper

Four defenders

McGinn Bjarney Hourihane

           Jack

Yannick
            Tammy Kod(or Hogan)

Jack roaming where he wants and Yannick switching between the two wings.

Should be interesting going forward but I recognise that it could get confusing defensively



Offline cdbullyweefan

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 35490
  • Location: Yardley Massive
  • I still hate Bono.
    • Every time you click this link, a child in Africa dies.
  • GM : 17.01.2019
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #121 on: October 12, 2018, 12:47:49 PM »
It'll be 4-2-3-1 based on how he has set Brentford up.

Something like...

Blind Orjan

Elmo
Chester
Ax-T
ALANUTTON!

McGinn
One of Hot Lips/Jedi/Whelan according to score, opposition, ambience and how the chakras are aligning

Bolasie
Grealish
Albert/El Ghazi

Abrahams or Kodjia or maybe even Hulk.


Offline Ads

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23961
  • Location: The upside down
  • Meff Magnet
  • GM : 18.03.2019
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #122 on: October 12, 2018, 12:52:09 PM »
I think Taylor ought to play and he ought to be coached.

He hesitates, which is his biggest weakness. He doesn't commit one way or the other and I think part of that is a fear post Coleman.

He was alright for us for a time.

Online chrisw1

  • Member
  • Posts: 2328
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #123 on: October 12, 2018, 01:17:31 PM »
I think Taylor ought to play and he ought to be coached.

He hesitates, which is his biggest weakness. He doesn't commit one way or the other and I think part of that is a fear post Coleman.

He was alright for us for a time.
I've been a big critic of Taylor from day 1.  But he is an international footballer and I wouldn't be against trying to get him back into some sort of form under the new manager.  But I suspect Terry will prefer Hutton having played alongside him last season.

Offline tomd2103

  • Member
  • Posts: 10234
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #124 on: October 12, 2018, 02:24:33 PM »
It'll be 4-2-3-1 based on how he has set Brentford up.

Something like...

Blind Orjan

Elmo
Chester
Ax-T
ALANUTTON!

McGinn
One of Hot Lips/Jedi/Whelan according to score, opposition, ambience and how the chakras are aligning

Bolasie
Grealish
Albert/El Ghazi

Abrahams or Kodjia or maybe even Hulk.

I quite clearly remember Ryan Woods playing as a holding midfielder in the game against them at Villa Park last season, so it would suggest that he is quite flexible when it comes to formations.  I wonder if he will look to include one of the young players from the off as a statement of intent.   

Offline tomd2103

  • Member
  • Posts: 10234
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #125 on: October 12, 2018, 02:27:06 PM »
I think Taylor ought to play and he ought to be coached.

He hesitates, which is his biggest weakness. He doesn't commit one way or the other and I think part of that is a fear post Coleman.

He was alright for us for a time.
I've been a big critic of Taylor from day 1.  But he is an international footballer and I wouldn't be against trying to get him back into some sort of form under the new manager.  But I suspect Terry will prefer Hutton having played alongside him last season.

I thought he was solid enough to start off with, but like Elphick, his confidence completely went to the point where he was and (still seemingly is on the evidence of recent performances) a bit of a liability.   

Offline eddiemunster

  • Member
  • Posts: 326
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #126 on: October 12, 2018, 05:11:28 PM »
I'm wondering whether we need to look at going 3 at the back.

Bree, Chester and Tuanzebe

play Elmo and Albert/El Ghazi as wing backs.

I have to agree with Drummond, during our pre season when spudface thought the club was about to go tits up financially, we played a 3 5 2 type formation, and used De Laet as a wing back (and he was probably one of our better players throughout pre season) and played the kids.
As soon as the new money came in, he reverted to type and fucked over De Laet and the kids.
One thing I'd like to know, with the new management, could we get some of our loan outs back?

Offline footyskillz

  • Member
  • Posts: 2577
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #127 on: October 13, 2018, 09:29:56 AM »
I never felt the need to nip into this thread since it's started. Maybe now there might be some relevance to the title of this topic.

Well yes on a Brentford site it would be overflowing .
However I do feel generally there certainly more room for more debate and comment on stats, styles , formation and tactics with Smithy on board.

According to sky sports and the stats they brought up "Smith is more than capable of improving the style at Villa"
And the stats indicate "these are all points that would indicate a better more exciting brand of football"

Since start of last season up to international break in comparison to villa

2,000 more passes
2,000 more pass attempts
2,000 more short passes attempted
220 more shots
51 more shots on target
And average possession in favor Brentford 57 % to 52 %
Brentford attempted fewer crosses 760 to Villa 1,014

The main thing is improving the style of play.

Season 17/18
We know Villa finished 4th.
(14 points ahead of Brentford)
Villa had 10 more goals scored and 10 less conceded a GD of 30 (Brentford 10)

Hopefully with the technical individuals shooting , passing and possession will all be improved .




« Last Edit: October 13, 2018, 09:48:14 AM by footyskillz »

Offline Ads

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23961
  • Location: The upside down
  • Meff Magnet
  • GM : 18.03.2019
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #128 on: October 13, 2018, 09:37:19 AM »
What were the stats.

Online Clampy

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 21840
  • Location: warley
  • GM : PCM
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #129 on: October 13, 2018, 09:41:04 AM »
I'm wondering whether we need to look at going 3 at the back.

Bree, Chester and Tuanzebe

play Elmo and Albert/El Ghazi as wing backs.

I have to agree with Drummond, during our pre season when spudface thought the club was about to go tits up financially, we played a 3 5 2 type formation, and used De Laet as a wing back (and he was probably one of our better players throughout pre season) and played the kids.
As soon as the new money came in, he reverted to type and fucked over De Laet and the kids.
One thing I'd like to know, with the new management, could we get some of our loan outs back?

I think it depends how long the loans are for what the terms of the loan deals are.

Offline footyskillz

  • Member
  • Posts: 2577
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #130 on: October 13, 2018, 10:14:57 AM »



What were the stats.

There's a breakdown if exact numbers mentioned in this article .
I tried to include as image here but was too big ?! So have posted link for you (and anyone else interested)

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11523465/what-will-dean-smith-bring-to-aston-villa

Offline Matt Collins

  • Member
  • Posts: 10437
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #131 on: October 13, 2018, 01:47:13 PM »
He played 4231 or 4141 most of the time

Key differences from Bruce:

More reliance on a deep lying playmaker than a ball winner at the base of midfield (tho given our defence this is clearly a risk)

Wide forwards play narrower and higher rather than wider and coming back more. They don't cross the ball much whereas Bruce's villa crossed more than anyone

Full backs more pushed on.

It's my kind of football. But there will be a transition spell. I'm very confident our attacking players can play that way. The defence is the problem as we know. Can they cope being that exposed ?

Offline footyskillz

  • Member
  • Posts: 2577
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #132 on: October 13, 2018, 02:04:51 PM »
Dean Smith has the idea of having a team of skippers something he introduced at Brentford this season.


"As a manager you go through your captain all the time — but by doing that you’re missing other people who could have leadership qualities.

“The modern world is more about collective leadership and leadership groups.

“Look at rugby. They take a lot of collective responsibility — the forward pack, the backs, the lineouts, the calls.

“I want everybody involved, otherwise you’re just creating followers rather than leaders.”

The ones who had been captain enjoyed the responsibility.

“It got them talking more about leadership and what it means to them and what responsibilities they must take on board.”

Smith believes footballers improve more in an educational environment.

For example, he renamed the Analysis Room at Brentford, where post-match debriefs were held, as The Learning Zone.

He said: “Everyone, myself included, is still learning.

“I tell players, ‘There you go, it’s your debrief’. I get them to do it.

“It gives them the opportunity to discuss the game.

“It’s interesting to see how they think the game turned out in their eyes. Also, it takes them out of their comfort zones, as it’s always hard to talk in front of your peers

"I want them asking me questions because there’s nothing worse than telling them to do something and they go out and think, ‘Why does he want me do that?’”

Offline Lastfootstamper

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2549
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Greater Birmingham
  • GM : 30.12.2017
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #133 on: October 13, 2018, 03:27:53 PM »
Love that last line!

Offline Matt Collins

  • Member
  • Posts: 10437
Re: Villa Style, Tactics & Formations 2018/19
« Reply #134 on: October 14, 2018, 08:36:48 AM »
For example, he renamed the Analysis Room at Brentford, where post-match debriefs were held, as The Learning Zone.

This is the sort of thing that gets praised when it goes well. When it doesn't it gets ridiculed. I hope our players embrace it. Glad that the likes of Gabby aren't around and more.