If you create that wrap around stand what is actually left of the Villa Park that you're determined to save? You'd have lost the 4 (mostly) self contained stands effect which is one of best things about the ground. Yes the Holte End would still be there untouched but nothing else of the ground would be there anymore (because the work to link the trinity to the North would be huge and would completely change the stand).
I could live with filling in the corners joining the North Stand, and leaving the Holte End as an actual "end".
I don’t think using Man City and West Ham Will ever be good examples to justify a new stadium. They used existing facilities built for the entirely different events. Spurs seems to be the closest thing to something fans actually want.
Quote from: paul_e on July 29, 2019, 01:17:26 PMIf you create that wrap around stand what is actually left of the Villa Park that you're determined to save? You'd have lost the 4 (mostly) self contained stands effect which is one of best things about the ground. Yes the Holte End would still be there untouched but nothing else of the ground would be there anymore (because the work to link the trinity to the North would be huge and would completely change the stand).I think that you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. If the process of raising the capacity, or improving the facilities, means losing the character of the historic ground, then what is the point in staying where we are? Especially as it will only ever be a very compromised wrap around stadium given the site constraints. My own view is that we've actually already lost the character of the historic ground since the old Trinity was demolished. I think the important qualities of the current ground are more to do with forming part of an ensemble with the park, Aston Hall and the church. This ensemble doesn't rely on playing on exactly the same rectangle of grass, as we have for 120 years, and so a Spurs-style re-positioning of the ground to allow for a purpose-built stadium in broadly the same location would be my preference. In fact a re-orientating of the ground to be north-south with a new Holte End opening out towards the park, and a new Witton End opening out towards the station might enhance these relationships.This obviously depends on how successful we are over the next few years, the funds available, and most importantly, the potential for a wider masterplan vision for Aston that would support a new ground in this location being the premier sports and event venue in the region, with public transport and other infrastructure developed accordingly. Otherwise, another location on the north side of the city centre should be at least considered. I certainly don't think that we should just go ahead and implement a redevelopment that was conceived under Doug's stewardship of the club in the last millennium. Liverpool obviously made reasonable progress with a relocation under their previous ownership, and Spurs were considering the London Stadium for a time before settling on their current plans. I agree that a soul-less Etihad type stadium would not be the best way to go.
I’ve been to Main Road and the new Man City stadium anyone using it as a example of a good thing is madOf all the new clubs that have moved somehow City managed to rip the heart out of their clubit’s the most soulless place in English football bar noneSad because I like them as a club, but when I went (we lost 4-0) I actually felt sorry for their fans which sounds ridiculous but talking to them they were so disconnected to what they had becomeI wouldn’t swap places and be where they are with all their money and success football is far more than shiny new stadiums with a bit of leg room and space to cart wheel around at half time, who gives a fuck your at a football matchI haven’t been to a single new ground yet where I preferred it to the old oneThat could change as I haven’t visited the Riverside yet and Ayrsome park was a hemorrhoid on the arse if football groundsyou millennials wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes in the cess pit conditions of yesteryear we’ve come a long way from that but it’s still a football match we going to not the Opera or the Dorchester it’s a big no from me
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2019, 05:56:06 PMI don’t think using Man City and West Ham Will ever be good examples to justify a new stadium. They used existing facilities built for the entirely different events. Spurs seems to be the closest thing to something fans actually want. Again, it doesn't really matter how they got into the new grounds. The point is, even a half-arsed club who used to be famous like West Ham are pulling in well over 50,000 a game.
Quote from: Risso on July 29, 2019, 06:12:05 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2019, 05:56:06 PMI don’t think using Man City and West Ham Will ever be good examples to justify a new stadium. They used existing facilities built for the entirely different events. Spurs seems to be the closest thing to something fans actually want. Again, it doesn't really matter how they got into the new grounds. The point is, even a half-arsed club who used to be famous like West Ham are pulling in well over 50,000 a game.In London.