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Offline Keeno

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #540 on: July 30, 2018, 12:28:38 PM »
Someone told me yesterday they'd read an article saying we're the 4th richest club in the country now, I can't find said article though.

3rd actually 😉

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #541 on: July 30, 2018, 12:29:41 PM »
Someone told me yesterday they'd read an article saying we're the 4th richest club in the country now, I can't find said article though.

That's a bit disappointing as I had read we were the third richest behind Man City and Chelsea!!

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #542 on: July 30, 2018, 12:33:10 PM »


Can anyone find any info about NSWE ?

What exactly are they and what is the companies value ?

Still seems wierd that Wes Edens still not appeared as director in companies house info ?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #543 on: July 30, 2018, 01:46:47 PM »


Can anyone find any info about NSWE ?

What exactly are they and what is the companies value ?

Still seems wierd that Wes Edens still not appeared as director in companies house info ?

Not really.  He's probably got reasons (eg tax) for not wanting to be a director of a UK company.  The other chap is based in London isn't he?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #544 on: July 30, 2018, 02:13:23 PM »
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-5---financial-fair-play-regulations/

It's all about appendix D....

2014/15 *(last year of the prem) is when we made a big loss - but the club put £79.6m of the £81m loss down to "exceptional items" including the "impairment of tangible fixed assets and intangible assets". This what Appenix D covers.

So as I understand it, we can lose £61m over the last 3 years

14/15 = £1.4m (assuming Appendix D application is correct)
15/16 = £14.5m (- a bit for Youth, Charity and Ladies football)
16/17 = £7.5m  (- a bit for Youth, Charity and Ladies football)

Call it £23m. Which gives us a big bag of head room....

Those aren’t the last three years though, are they? Provisional accounts have been lodged with EFL for 2017/18 - as they have to be - by Mar 1.
Not sure where your figures come from, tbf

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #545 on: July 30, 2018, 02:20:38 PM »
Someone told me yesterday they'd read an article saying we're the 4th richest club in the country now, I can't find said article though.

3rd actually 😉

Amassed wealth and assets of football owners it's like this

Manchester city
Chelsea
Villa
Arsenal
Stoke
Wolves
Spurs
Leicester
Man utd
Southampton
WBA
Newcastle
Liverpool

As villa have co owners wealth has been added together
As you can see wealth owners doesn't mean as much as think in some respects if clubs don't or can't spend or owners don't pay out.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2018, 02:22:57 PM by footyskillz »

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #546 on: July 30, 2018, 02:30:02 PM »
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-5---financial-fair-play-regulations/

It's all about appendix D....

2014/15 *(last year of the prem) is when we made a big loss - but the club put £79.6m of the £81m loss down to "exceptional items" including the "impairment of tangible fixed assets and intangible assets". This what Appenix D covers.

So as I understand it, we can lose £61m over the last 3 years

14/15 = £1.4m (assuming Appendix D application is correct)
15/16 = £14.5m (- a bit for Youth, Charity and Ladies football)
16/17 = £7.5m  (- a bit for Youth, Charity and Ladies football)

Call it £23m. Which gives us a big bag of head room....

Those aren’t the last three years though, are they? Provisional accounts have been lodged with EFL for 2017/18 - as they have to be - by Mar 1.

Not sure where your figures come from, tbf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39108015
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43088167
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/key-findings-aston-villas-latest-14293992



Offline Dazvillain

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #547 on: July 30, 2018, 03:00:40 PM »


Can anyone find any info about NSWE ?

What exactly are they and what is the companies value ?

Still seems wierd that Wes Edens still not appeared as director in companies house info ?

Not really.  He's probably got reasons (eg tax) for not wanting to be a director of a UK company.  The other chap is based in London isn't he?
Not sure where based but Nassef said he was overseeing the day to day running of the club. Not sure what responsibilities are different from his title of chief executive chairman to that of a ceo or is it just a technicality ?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #548 on: July 30, 2018, 03:17:06 PM »
Just because Edens has part ownership doesn't mean that he has to be a director, does it ?

Anyway, the other bloke's appointment was only filed at Co House last Wednesday

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #549 on: July 30, 2018, 03:38:32 PM »
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-5---financial-fair-play-regulations/

It's all about appendix D....

2014/15 *(last year of the prem) is when we made a big loss - but the club put £79.6m of the £81m loss down to "exceptional items" including the "impairment of tangible fixed assets and intangible assets". This what Appenix D covers.

So as I understand it, we can lose £61m over the last 3 years

14/15 = £1.4m (assuming Appendix D application is correct)
15/16 = £14.5m (- a bit for Youth, Charity and Ladies football)
16/17 = £7.5m  (- a bit for Youth, Charity and Ladies football)

Call it £23m. Which gives us a big bag of head room....

Those aren’t the last three years though, are they? Provisional accounts have been lodged with EFL for 2017/18 - as they have to be - by Mar 1.

Not sure where your figures come from, tbf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39108015
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43088167
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/key-findings-aston-villas-latest-14293992




That last link just shows the position for one of the subsid companies and not the overall consolidated loss.

Offline Billy Walker

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #550 on: July 30, 2018, 03:39:18 PM »
Someone told me yesterday they'd read an article saying we're the 4th richest club in the country now, I can't find said article though.

3rd actually 😉

Amassed wealth and assets of football owners it's like this

Manchester city
Chelsea
Villa
Arsenal
Stoke
Wolves
Spurs
Leicester
Man utd
Southampton
WBA
Newcastle
Liverpool

As villa have co owners wealth has been added together
As you can see wealth owners doesn't mean as much as think in some respects if clubs don't or can't spend or owners don't pay out.

Yes, and I think the table above can be taken with a pinch of salt as there are so many ways to calculate (and hide) wealth. 

Offline sirlordbaltimore

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #551 on: July 30, 2018, 04:56:35 PM »


Considering Fosun own the dogheads and they're valued at about 60 billion i find hard to believe we're above them.

Not that this shit matters when you can't spend it anyway  ;D

Offline Dazvillain

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #552 on: August 02, 2018, 04:48:24 PM »
Another 2 properties charges / mortgages paid off today according to companies house, on top of the 11 they paid off on taking over. 👌👍. Only 3 outstanding now. More towards proving finance controls and increased assets towards FFP.
Dr T might write....( 11 x 😡🏡+ 3 x 😡🏡)➕ (14 x £££) + Jack Grealish = FFP ??

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #553 on: August 02, 2018, 04:52:23 PM »
Increased assets won’t help with FFP unless they generate income.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #554 on: August 02, 2018, 05:14:29 PM »
Increased assets won’t help with FFP unless they generate income.

I am guessing that is the idea of paying off the mortgages. Then they can sell the properties to generate income. When I was a manager for William Hill, at one point they sold a load of their properties off to raise capital on the agreement that they could then rent the shops back from the new owners. Isn't that also similar to what the FA are talking about doing with Wembley?

 


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