Injuries are injuries. End of. The alternative to resting players with injuries is to let them have free rein to go to - for example - the ACN against the advice of our coaches and come back crocked for a whole season.
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2018, 04:42:01 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2018, 03:56:10 PMQuote from: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2018, 03:24:58 PMQuote from: Ads on February 23, 2018, 03:11:12 PMMicah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up You can criticise the signing all you like, but have a look back at his thread. There was general agreement that he'd started off well then not a word until the end of November, so whatever 'due diligence' (whatever that might mean in a player context) was done it's hardly the fault of the club that he went off the rails over three months into the season. And I doubt very much that a player would ever be signed without being insured. Taking your last comment first - if the player himself admits his knees are shot and he is unable to play further I would like to think the club's legal advisers are having conversations with the club's insurers.Due diligence in context of players ? Simple - make enquiries about the player - his history of injuries, attitude, mentality etcI'm not blaming the club for him " going off the rails" however I would expect some signs that the club are either attempting to get him fit (Bruce stated he would be considered if he ever got fit)- no intimation that he was finished - Or making a claim from the insurer should Richards claim be factual You've completely changed tack there. First you said what a bad decision it was to sign him and did we check him out beforehand. I said that he would have had to undergo a medical and be insured, and also pointed out that he started off well with us so it was hardly one of the worst decisions the club have ever made. That has nothing to do with his fitness almost three years down the line.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2018, 03:56:10 PMQuote from: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2018, 03:24:58 PMQuote from: Ads on February 23, 2018, 03:11:12 PMMicah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up You can criticise the signing all you like, but have a look back at his thread. There was general agreement that he'd started off well then not a word until the end of November, so whatever 'due diligence' (whatever that might mean in a player context) was done it's hardly the fault of the club that he went off the rails over three months into the season. And I doubt very much that a player would ever be signed without being insured. Taking your last comment first - if the player himself admits his knees are shot and he is unable to play further I would like to think the club's legal advisers are having conversations with the club's insurers.Due diligence in context of players ? Simple - make enquiries about the player - his history of injuries, attitude, mentality etcI'm not blaming the club for him " going off the rails" however I would expect some signs that the club are either attempting to get him fit (Bruce stated he would be considered if he ever got fit)- no intimation that he was finished - Or making a claim from the insurer should Richards claim be factual
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2018, 03:24:58 PMQuote from: Ads on February 23, 2018, 03:11:12 PMMicah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up You can criticise the signing all you like, but have a look back at his thread. There was general agreement that he'd started off well then not a word until the end of November, so whatever 'due diligence' (whatever that might mean in a player context) was done it's hardly the fault of the club that he went off the rails over three months into the season. And I doubt very much that a player would ever be signed without being insured.
Quote from: Ads on February 23, 2018, 03:11:12 PMMicah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up
Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
Changed tack ? HardlyIt's all a question of opinion - mine is that he has hardly set the place on fire and has not "appeared" to have had the will to get himself fit to warrant his extremely generous wage - at any time over the last 24 months or so- it depends how you view decisions made by the club - those that stick in my mind are the likes of Stas, Neale Cooper , Balaban et al -it happens I guess even with the more successful clubs. Whether you agree or not I don't care but for me the likes of him and Agbonlahor have taken the club and fans for mugs over the past couple of years - but this is modern football with long and lucrative contracts whether you play or not - if we fail to go up this season the drain on resources will hamper our attempts to return to the elite
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2018, 08:16:52 PM Changed tack ? HardlyIt's all a question of opinion - mine is that he has hardly set the place on fire and has not "appeared" to have had the will to get himself fit to warrant his extremely generous wage - at any time over the last 24 months or so- it depends how you view decisions made by the club - those that stick in my mind are the likes of Stas, Neale Cooper , Balaban et al -it happens I guess even with the more successful clubs. Whether you agree or not I don't care but for me the likes of him and Agbonlahor have taken the club and fans for mugs over the past couple of years - but this is modern football with long and lucrative contracts whether you play or not - if we fail to go up this season the drain on resources will hamper our attempts to return to the elite You started by saying that the signing was one of the worst decisions the club had ever made and talked about the lack of thought that went into it, then when I said that it seemed fine at first you went on to talk about the current situation. What's that if not changing tack, or possibly moving the goalposts?For the last two and a bit years Micah Richards has been an absolute disgrace of a footballer. That's not open to any debate at all. But his signing and the first three months of his time with Villa are different entirely and nobody then can be blamed for the way it turned out. .
In the case of Richards and Gabby I wonder if both of them are now suffering from bulking up so much from an early age.I think Gabby is now fit in any case and with the injuries a case to bring McCormack back into fold surely has some merit
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