Jeeze, pack it the fuck in. We've asked more than once to stop the sniping and quite frankly pathetic point scoring. We won't ask again, consider this a final warning. All of you.
It's been a bit of a nothing day today with the weather, no rain or wind or temperature of any note. What's the weather been like where you live?
Cloudy, with a chance of teabagging.
Quote from: Richard E on September 27, 2017, 09:24:26 PMQuote from: olaftab on September 27, 2017, 09:20:44 PMI just glanced out of the window and I think it's still raining however I can't be sure as it's very dark outside and rain is usually dark.The rain is monopolising possession of the light.It's flooding the midfield.
Quote from: olaftab on September 27, 2017, 09:20:44 PMI just glanced out of the window and I think it's still raining however I can't be sure as it's very dark outside and rain is usually dark.The rain is monopolising possession of the light.
I just glanced out of the window and I think it's still raining however I can't be sure as it's very dark outside and rain is usually dark.
I think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.
Whilst we continue to play 442 we're unlikely to dominate the possession stats. Worth it while we pack a goal threat like we do currently
Quote from: paul_e on September 27, 2017, 09:17:30 PMQuote from: Chris Jameson on September 27, 2017, 08:48:02 PMBlimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.and Man U are winning with 66%and Roma won with 59%and Barcelona are winning with 71%and Celtic are winning with 70%Chelsea are drawing with 55% and Juventus can't score despite having 79%So 2 games are being won by teams with less of the ball and 4 are being won (or already won) by teams with more of the ball. Seems to back up the point that having better possession is a good idea. I think if we did the same degree of analysis on a broader sample you'd probably find the pattern stays fairly consistent. On top of that I suspect you'd find a cliff edge somewhere around 40-42% where the chances of winning drops significantly. I'm not doing it though, it's just not worth the time.I think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.
Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 27, 2017, 08:48:02 PMBlimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.and Man U are winning with 66%and Roma won with 59%and Barcelona are winning with 71%and Celtic are winning with 70%Chelsea are drawing with 55% and Juventus can't score despite having 79%So 2 games are being won by teams with less of the ball and 4 are being won (or already won) by teams with more of the ball. Seems to back up the point that having better possession is a good idea. I think if we did the same degree of analysis on a broader sample you'd probably find the pattern stays fairly consistent. On top of that I suspect you'd find a cliff edge somewhere around 40-42% where the chances of winning drops significantly. I'm not doing it though, it's just not worth the time.
Blimey, there's some touchy people out there, merely making the point that possession means sod all a lot of the time. I don't take a blind bit of notice of it but see on BT that Benfica are 2-0 down having had 70% possession and Bayern are also 2-0 down having had 64% possession. I'm fairly sure that if it stays the same their supporters won't be celebrating.
Quote from: LeeB on September 27, 2017, 09:24:53 PMI think that can be misleading though, as those teams are at the elite level and contain players with flawless technique, and to give up possession means giving it up to players with flawless technique.At our level at not so sure it holds fast. Having lots of pointless possession because you can't find a way through a solid defence usually leads to a fuck up which gifts an opening to a team set up to exploit it. Teams with lots of possession end up being more vulnerable.It may be misleading but my perception of those clubs that succeed in this division is that they are obdurate rather dominating.I agree, the underlying truth is that if you let technically superior teams boss possession they'll beat you easily. That said we should be the technically superior team in most games so if we have more possession we should find beating teams easily, in this league, becomes a habit. That's what we all want to see happen. This whole discussion is just retreading the whole result then good football vs good football then results argument, some people think you have to concentrate on results and then if better football comes with the confidence then that's great, others think that playing better football gives you a better chance to win games.Shot dominance is a much more important stat that reflects games much more accurately but when I mentioned that earlier in the season it got moaned about just as much, what we've seen in the last few games is us getting a lot more shots on target and we've scored 9 in 3 after struggling to get much over a goal a game for the previous 40 matches under Bruce.