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Offline Villa75

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2017, 09:32:27 PM »
FFS we won the league with 14 players. Who needs rotation?

There are some people who'd say that and be serious.

Is there not somewhere in the middle though?

Most would agree with resting a few players - maybe the 'older' players or those with a niggle. But 11 changes, and not one of the '1st XI' on the bench to even play part of the game, is a complete piss take, and a spinless way to go out of a Cup in front of you home fans.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2017, 09:32:55 PM »
Ah, the old O'Neill Shattered by March hypothesis.

Shame that in three of MON's four seasons, we ended strongly, despite being so knackered.

Still, people will believe what they want to believe.

07/08 5 wins in the last 16, although it did in include that 3 game run scoring 15.
08/09 2 wins in last 13, plus 3 without a win in cups
09/10 6 wins in last 17, plus a couple of cup wins.

Offline dcdavecollett

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2017, 05:08:14 PM »
For some reason you missed out 06/07, where we went unbeaten in our last 6/7 games.

Offline Matt Collins

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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2017, 06:51:47 PM »
My recollection is that the habit of picking the  same 11 every game and barely making a sub, only really started in his second season, when he'd built the side he wanted

The stats for three years running above seem pretty convincing to me

Plus actually watching us, it seemed pretty clear


Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2017, 06:57:36 PM »
For some reason you missed out 06/07, where we went unbeaten in our last 6/7 games.

Because I was pointing out the 3 seasons we did run out of steam, rather than the 1 you claimed. Be a bit pointless including the season we didn't wouldn't it.

Offline dcdavecollett

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2017, 07:04:12 PM »
So the season we didn't would be evidence against then, wouldn't it?

Some thumping wins near the end of other seasons (07/08) are hardly typical of exhausted teams, either.

Offline Legion

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2017, 07:13:15 PM »
Square pegs in round holes.

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2017, 07:26:49 PM »
It was three drubbings in 14 days.

We ran out of steam. The reason we didn't in 06/07 is that Carew and Young had only been with us since the end of January and couldnt be flogged to death in time.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2017, 07:32:47 PM »
So the season we didn't would be evidence against then, wouldn't it?

Some thumping wins near the end of other seasons (07/08) are hardly typical of exhausted teams, either.

You said we didn't run out of steam in 3 of his 4 seasons, i've shown you that we ran out of steam in 3 of the 4. Which obviously leaves 1 we didn't, I assumed that would be obvious. We did not run out of steam in his first season. We did in his last 3. There, that covers his first season and corrects your original claim.

As for the thumping wins proving anything, those 3 were the only games we won in March, April and May, and were against the sides that finished 16th, 19th and 20th.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 07:43:32 PM by PeterWithesShin »

Offline Matt Collins

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2017, 08:22:19 PM »
So the season we didn't would be evidence against then, wouldn't it?

Some thumping wins near the end of other seasons (07/08) are hardly typical of exhausted teams, either.

You said we didn't run out of steam in 3 of his 4 seasons, i've shown you that we ran out of steam in 3 of the 4. Which obviously leaves 1 we didn't, I assumed that would be obvious. We did not run out of steam in his first season. We did in his last 3. There, that covers his first season and corrects your original claim.

As for the thumping wins proving anything, those 3 were the only games we won in March, April and May, and were against the sides that finished 16th, 19th and 20th.

Case closed m'lud

Offline exigo

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2017, 08:26:23 PM »
It's easier to rotate when you keep the system the same. Trouble earlier in the season was that Bruce was swapping formation and personnel.
Now he's realised that two up top is the way to go, it's easier to switch in a player or two when needed. As long as you're training the whole squad to that formation.

Offline dcdavecollett

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2017, 06:50:33 PM »
Ah, the return of the 'wins against struggling teams don't count, guv' argument. How we've missed it!

Presumably, we don't get three points for beating the likes of Barnsley and Burton, then?

Oh. and while we're at it, someone please explain to me how it is that a 'knackered by March' team was still competing for a Chumps League place in its last away game in May 2010?

So, like I said, the theory works, once in four years -but of course, none of my evidence counts, so you win.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2017, 07:19:29 PM »
I never said they didn't count, I specifically mentioned them in my original reply. So that's another piece of your 'evidence' that doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. But when they're your only wins in the last 3 months then yes, we ran out of steam. It's the very definition of it.

Offline Legion

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2017, 07:20:25 PM »
This thread is starting to go round in circles.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Rotation
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2017, 07:40:00 PM »
It's easier to rotate when you keep the system the same. Trouble earlier in the season was that Bruce was swapping formation and personnel.
Now he's realised that two up top is the way to go, it's easier to switch in a player or two when needed. As long as you're training the whole squad to that formation.

Spot on.

 


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