I agree. I stated my case earlier also as someone of colour who has faced a lot of racism in my time. I can tell the difference based from what I have read about him. I think he was stupid and ignorant for what he said, and one can only hope that's all it was versus something deeper. But there has been nothing to suggest at least from what we know that he is like that as a person. Either way, going on and on about it is pointless in my opinion. I'm going to separate what he did, what I can tell he did to repair the damage and certainly what he's done since as my markers for how I view him now. And like you're suggesting he's not put a foot wrong since arriving. In fact he's demonstrated a level of commitment, conduct and professionalism every player at the club should aspire to.
But I can't stand him. I'm not holier than thou, and I'm not unforgiving. Football's about heroes and villains and he's always been the latter. The time he almost snapped Milner's standing leg in two, then rather than check on his England colleague pretended to be injured and bleated like a calf. We're a broad church and a lot seem happy that he's played well and not put much of a foot wrong. That's fair enough, but for me he can't fuck off out of my club quick enough.
Quote from: olaftab on January 18, 2018, 10:04:57 AMQuote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AMIf you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage. This.If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
Quote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AMIf you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage. This.
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2018, 10:17:23 PMAnd this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?I honestly don't know, maybe. But despite his demons I think Paul McGrath is a decent man. I don't think that's particularly partisan - don't most people outside of Villa have some affection and respect for him? I can wish him well despite his flaws and hope he overcomes them, without harming himself or worse still others in the process.But John Terry I have a problem with. It's not anything to lose sleep over and I'm sure he'll get over it. It might even be stupid and irrational if he improves the club I'm supposed to support. But unlike real life I don't have to be rational about football and I really can't stand him. Never have, never will.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2018, 07:08:08 PMI agree. I stated my case earlier also as someone of colour who has faced a lot of racism in my time. I can tell the difference based from what I have read about him. I think he was stupid and ignorant for what he said, and one can only hope that's all it was versus something deeper. But there has been nothing to suggest at least from what we know that he is like that as a person. Either way, going on and on about it is pointless in my opinion. I'm going to separate what he did, what I can tell he did to repair the damage and certainly what he's done since as my markers for how I view him now. And like you're suggesting he's not put a foot wrong since arriving. In fact he's demonstrated a level of commitment, conduct and professionalism every player at the club should aspire to.As an aside you are a good man TV. I don't have the morale strength to take the high ground in such matters as you have done. When I am on the receiving end of something I never take the time to look at it cooly or with the level of intelligence you do. Probably something I should work on. Anyway thanks for making me think of ways to better myself.
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on January 18, 2018, 05:55:44 PMQuote from: olaftab on January 18, 2018, 10:04:57 AMQuote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AMIf you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage. This.If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.He was sacked for shagging a colleague’s ex?Tell that to my former colleague who was sacked for the same thing as what Terry did and has found it impossible to find a new job.
Quote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 10:41:49 PMQuote from: oldhill_avfc on January 18, 2018, 05:55:44 PMQuote from: olaftab on January 18, 2018, 10:04:57 AMQuote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AMIf you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage. This.If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.He was sacked for shagging a colleague’s ex?Tell that to my former colleague who was sacked for the same thing as what Terry did and has found it impossible to find a new job.
Both on and off the pitch he has hardly put a foot wrong since he joined us. I would like to think that is as a sign of maturity and learning from his mistakes. Which is all we can realistically expect from anyone. To err Is human; to forgive divine.