Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 15, 2018, 10:38:56 PMI’m just trying to remember what “abysmal” behaviour McGrath did away from the pitch, can anyone fill me in?I remember his drinking problem alright, but that was a personal thing and I don’t think he ever abused anyone other than himself. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bad word said about him.https://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/ooh-aah-court-for-paul-mcgrath-27500701.htmlAssault & drunk driving, do impact other people. Pretty abysmal behaviour to be honest. Look he is still one of my fave players ever, but yeah, a flawed flawed man.
I’m just trying to remember what “abysmal” behaviour McGrath did away from the pitch, can anyone fill me in?I remember his drinking problem alright, but that was a personal thing and I don’t think he ever abused anyone other than himself. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bad word said about him.
A few goals would be neat.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:15:06 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:05:13 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PMSo everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!". It seems more than a little one sided.I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:05:13 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PMSo everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!". It seems more than a little one sided.I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PMSo everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!". It seems more than a little one sided.
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PMSo everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:15:06 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:05:13 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PMSo everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!". It seems more than a little one sided.I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?Well as Rio was heavily involved I think its fair to call out that hypocrisy, as Toronto says, has John Terry changed? I think the answer is yes. Rio has not. Anyway, I have had my little say. Like it matters
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2018, 08:20:40 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:15:06 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:05:13 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PMSo everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!". It seems more than a little one sided.I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.Sorry I have to disagree with you about that for me it's very cut and dry it's either racist or it's not there isn't different levels
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:24:51 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:15:06 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:05:13 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 07:58:01 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PMSo everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!". It seems more than a little one sided.I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?Well as Rio was heavily involved I think its fair to call out that hypocrisy, as Toronto says, has John Terry changed? I think the answer is yes. Rio has not. Anyway, I have had my little say. Like it matters If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
Quote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AMIf you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage. This.
Quote from: olaftab on January 18, 2018, 10:04:57 AMQuote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AMIf you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage. This.If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on January 18, 2018, 05:55:44 PMQuote from: olaftab on January 18, 2018, 10:04:57 AMQuote from: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AMIf you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay. Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage. This.If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.Agreed. It’s tiresome reading the same old Terry shit on here. All I know is that he’s been superb for us this season and hasn’t put a foot wrong either on or off the pitch. Why people constantly want to bring up the past is beyond me. Live and let live and all that.