Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:24:01 PMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:17:15 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:04:56 PMQuote from: Dave on June 27, 2017, 02:22:18 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PMI want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired. Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:17:15 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:04:56 PMQuote from: Dave on June 27, 2017, 02:22:18 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PMI want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired. Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:04:56 PMQuote from: Dave on June 27, 2017, 02:22:18 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PMI want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired. Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2017, 02:22:18 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PMI want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PMI want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:40:29 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:24:01 PMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:17:15 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:04:56 PMQuote from: Dave on June 27, 2017, 02:22:18 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PMI want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired. Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well. Now in my first quote of this string I said Terry would help us get promotion versus hurting us. I didn't offer a guarantee. But my overall position on this hasn't changed, if you look at my very first post on this subject. It won't just be about Terry it will be about the total package of our summer transfer window.The truth is I'm tired of playing nice. I'll push my pride and values to the side for a season, get this cock in and pray he does what I hope he will do and provide the leadership to make a significant difference for us this season.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:56:51 PMOr... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.This is the bit for me. I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing. We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?Chester's Premier League class. Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away. Elphick is adequate as a backup. Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there? What's happened to Toner?SB should be focusing on how we score more goals. Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.
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