Blues match police crowd management

[cdbearsfan]

If the police can get their fans out of the area within 20 minutes of full time, there is no reason whatsoever why we should he kept behind for hours and hours at The Sty. I understand that safety is the top priority, but massive inconvenience should also be considered.

And if the Strathclyde Police can handle 7-8,000 away fans every Old Firm game, there is no justification for Villa and Blose being restricted to 2,000 tickets each time.

Maybe if they are too incompetent to work out how to organise large away followings for themselves, they could pop up to Glasgow and ask them how they manage.

[Pete3206]

Thanks for the info amfy, really appreciated. Sounds like a lot of effort and planning has gone into ensuring it all goes off as safely as possible.
 

[amfy]

I believe the 2k isn't a police restriction - it was agreed pre-season but I can't remember who agreed it.

They can get their fans out of Aston that quick because we have a train station over the road.

[dave.woodhall]

If the police can get their fans out of the area within 20 minutes of full time, there is no reason whatsoever why we should he kept behind for hours and hours at The Sty. I understand that safety is the top priority, but massive inconvenience should also be considered.

And if the Strathclyde Police can handle 7-8,000 away fans every Old Firm game, there is no justificiation for Villa and Blose being restricted to 2,000 tickets each time.

Maybe if they are too incompetent to work out how to organise large away followings for themselves, they could pop up to Glasgow and ask them how they manage.

For a start, Old Firm games are segregated back as far as England and Northern Ireland. Their grounds and the access/exit points also lend themselves to easy segregation. 

[cdbearsfan]

Their ground has about fifty different buses that go past, and town is about a ten minute walk.

Tbh I'd be happy if they just made these "bubble matches". All away fans on coach, keep home fans for behind for ten minutes while away coaches leave under police motorcycle escort.

[Scratchins]

As someone who has witnessed on more than one occasion the mindless and, at times, vicious behaviour I am only too pleased at the proposed measures. Walking a bit further rather than having a scar on my head like an innocent young niece has is a small price to pay. I am though embarrassed at the need for it and annoyed at the cost to already stretched police resources.
Thanks to Amfy for the info.

[Clampy]

Their ground has about fifty different buses that go past, and town is about a ten minute walk.

Tbh I'd be happy if they just made these "bubble matches". All away fans on coach, keep home fans for behind for ten minutes while away coaches leave under police motorcycle escort.

I think all that may take a tad more than ten minutes. More like half hour.

[dave.woodhall]

You can't get coaches from Villa Park as easily as that. Unless you keep every home fan inside the ground, which is logicstically impossible, they'll still get stuck somewhere. 

[cdbearsfan]

If the police can get their fans out of the area within 20 minutes of full time, there is no reason whatsoever why we should he kept behind for hours and hours at The Sty. I understand that safety is the top priority, but massive inconvenience should also be considered.

And if the Strathclyde Police can handle 7-8,000 away fans every Old Firm game, there is no justificiation for Villa and Blose being restricted to 2,000 tickets each time.

Maybe if they are too incompetent to work out how to organise large away followings for themselves, they could pop up to Glasgow and ask them how they manage.

For a start, Old Firm games are segregated back as far as England and Northern Ireland. Their grounds and the access/exit points also lend themselves to easy segregation.

Man City get bigger allocations at Old Trafford.

Man United get bigger allocations at Anfield.

Sheffield United get bigger allocations at Hillsborough.

Tottenham get bigger allocations at Arsenal.

Sunderland get bigger allocations at St James' Park...

Etc.

Presumably Villa Park and St Andrews have stadia which are designed unlike any anywhere else in Britain which render them the only grounds in the land which prevent more than 2,000 visiting fans from attending.

Or possibly, our police are useless.

[amfy]

Their ground has about fifty different buses that go past, and town is about a ten minute walk.

Tbh I'd be happy if they just made these "bubble matches". All away fans on coach, keep home fans for behind for ten minutes while away coaches leave under police motorcycle escort.

Actually - it's not the worst for a 'bubble' match because the grounds are only 3 miles apart. It wouldn't really massively inconvenience anyone to have to get to the other ground instead of the one the game is at. It's not like those which are in entirely separate towns, and you could live in one town, and have to get to the other town in order to get a coach back to where you came from!
I do think bubbling is incredibly restrictive though, and I feel pretty resentful of it on principle really! Although - blues transport is not far off this - all but about 100 of their supporters will be coming in on official travel of some sort by the looks of it.

Also - keeping home fans back for 10 minutes - Villa Park is usually close to empty by 90 minutes! Even when we've won! The players usually come and applaud the last 10 people in the gangway!

[cdbearsfan]

Their ground has about fifty different buses that go past, and town is about a ten minute walk.

Tbh I'd be happy if they just made these "bubble matches". All away fans on coach, keep home fans for behind for ten minutes while away coaches leave under police motorcycle escort.

I think all that may take a tad more than ten minutes. More like half hour.

I recall Villa fans being kept behind after Man U at home once. It took about ten minutes.

[spangley1812]

If the police can get their fans out of the area within 20 minutes of full time, there is no reason whatsoever why we should he kept behind for hours and hours at The Sty. I understand that safety is the top priority, but massive inconvenience should also be considered.

And if the Strathclyde Police can handle 7-8,000 away fans every Old Firm game, there is no justificiation for Villa and Blose being restricted to 2,000 tickets each time.

Maybe if they are too incompetent to work out how to organise large away followings for themselves, they could pop up to Glasgow and ask them how they manage.

For a start, Old Firm games are segregated back as far as England and Northern Ireland. Their grounds and the access/exit points also lend themselves to easy segregation.

Man City get bigger allocations at Old Trafford.

Man United get bigger allocations at Anfield.

Sheffield United get bigger allocations at Hillsborough.

Tottenham get bigger allocations at Arsenal.

Sunderland get bigger allocations at St James' Park...

Etc.

Presumably Villa Park and St Andrews have stadia which are designed unlike any anywhere else in Britain which render them the only grounds in the land which prevent more than 2,000 visiting fans from attending.

Or possibly, our police are useless.

Amfy has said about 4 times now its not the police that limited the allocations.............

[dave.woodhall]

A quick Google search tells me that Manchester United will be getting 2,750 at City this month. I've no idea of the others, including the ones that haven't taken place for some time but from memory they all have bigger away sections or the ability to expand them then we have. 

I'd rather we did have more tickets and gave them more but as things stand it would be difficult.

[peter w]

It was that fucker Sting. Something about more than 2 thousand upsetting the equilibrium of the rain forests. The soft twat.

[QuintonVilla]

So at their shed we get kept in for nearly an hour and then get a magical mystery tour of Small Heath and Digbeth just because there's a few chavvy little scrotes who think they're big bad Zulus. Then at our place we have to take detours and can't use Witton Station to protect these big bad Zulus, who are bringing 18 coaches. Just keep the peasants in the ground for half an hour, police them inside the ground so they can't cause any damage, and disperse Villa fans outside the ground. Simple. We're at home yet the police are making it to suit them, escorting them in straight off the safety of their coaches and not letting our fans go where they want to go.