Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[Sexual Ealing]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

[Risso]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

Obviously several posters calling you out this week wasn’t enough to make you have a look at yourself. 

[Clampy]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

But you're just wanting people to agree with you and it doesn't work like that. After the final, I walked out and thought 'that's it, he's had long enough'. It was only after the financial storm went down that I thought having a manager without us adding to our problems by searching for one made sense, well to me anyway.

[Clampy]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

Obviously several posters calling you out this week wasn’t enough to make you have a look at yourself. 

If you think people on the Internet who I don't know personally and possibly in some cases never will should make me alter my points of view, then no.

[PeterWithesShin]

Are people incapable of acting like the adults they supposedly are and actually managing to go one day on this thread without acting like absolute bell ends?

[DB]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

But you're just wanting people to agree with you and it doesn't work like that. After the final, I walked out and thought 'that's it, he's had long enough'. It was only after the financial storm went down that I thought having a manager without us adding to our problems by searching for one made sense, well to me anyway.

Agree with that. There will be a few players wanting to move if the manager is shipped out too. Who wants to be at a club with so much uncertainty.

[Sexual Ealing]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

But you're just wanting people to agree with you and it doesn't work like that. After the final, I walked out and thought 'that's it, he's had long enough'. It was only after the financial storm went down that I thought having a manager without us adding to our problems by searching for one made sense, well to me anyway.

Agree with that. There will be a few players wanting to move if the manager is shipped out too. Who wants to be at a club with so much uncertainty.

I'm well used to people not agreeing with me, I'm a socialist. Bruce has failed when we had everything going for us. Now that we're fucked, it's somehow a good idea to keep him?

It's something akin to a junky who's had a gangrenous leg amputated thinking that he should keep the same company that he did previously because they've got experience of amputee mates, so they know the score in a crisis.

[Drummond]

Are people incapable of acting like the adults they supposedly are and actually managing to go one day on this thread without acting like absolute bell ends?

No?

[KevinGage]

The issue with all this is:

If you are pro Bruce, you can say it has been year on year improvement since he arrived (results-wise, anyroad) and it has been a while since we could say that. We secured 24 wins, scored 72 goals and ended up one game (or one bad half) away from top flight football. Those are verifiable facts.

If you want Bruce out, you can say the football was largely uninspiring, we looked disjointed far more often than we should have against modest opposition in this league and we failed our ultimate objective - top flight football within two years. Bruce himself said that was the target, so by his own measure he's failed. 

That latter part is also a fact (I understand the style of football thing will be more subjective). So in essence, neither position is wrong.

I have never been a fan of the football his teams play, but there is an argument to say we were hamstrung by the loss of Grealish for the first part of the season and our best forward for most of it. We missed out last year, but not by much. Under normal circumstances, that should represent a platform to build from. But we know now we're not dealing in normal circumstances.  We've had Gerry Cottle's Circus in the boardroom, playing online roulette with the parachute payments for the past two years.

The bigger issue for me is I genuinely wouldn't trust Xia and the rest of the brains trust to source an adequate replacement. It actually terrifies me to think of the type of blaggard they could go for.

[sirlordbaltimore]

Don't feed the troll.

Ah that old classic. I'd bother to reply in an equally childish manner to someone else's viewpoint but what's the point ?

I'd be angry as well if every time i logged into this forum i had to see my name proudly displayed alongside starting a manager out thread.

[sirlordbaltimore]

The has Bruce got the best out of (insert player name here) list : My opinions, you can have you're own clearly

So, since Bruce arrived at Villa Park, has he gotten the best out of the players we have ?

Johnstone - Yes

Hutton - Yes
Terry - Yes
Chester - Yes
Taylor - No
Elmo - Yes
Bree - No, one for the future though clearly
De Laet - Can't say, loaned out
Richards - Yes, being left out altogether is clearly the best thing for this plank
Elphick - No. Hard to say for sure, loaned out

Whelan - No. Although i genuinely don't know what his best is to compare with
Jedinak - Yes
Lansbury - No
Hourianne - Yes
Grealish - Yes
Green - Yes, not many chances but looked promising before the injury
Bjarnason - No
Adomah - Yes
Snodgrass - Yes
Onomah - No

Hogan - No
Kodjia - Yes
McCormack - No
Davis - Yes
Grabban - Yes
Gabby - I really don't know if he has a best

[sirlordbaltimore]

The bigger issue for me is I genuinely wouldn't trust Xia and the rest of the brains trust to source an adequate replacement. It actually terrifies me to think of the type of blaggard they could go for.

Great post. The answer to this is clearly no of course.

[curiousorange]

One issue for me with current and future management is that both bosses Xia has picked haven't been for the good of the club, they've been for his own purposes. You could argue that Bruce was hired because getting Villa into the Premier League was clearly what we all wanted, but the fallout from the playoffs make it obvious that it would have covered some pretty ugly financial cracks too. As for Di Matteo; well, that was so we could shout we had a Champions League winning manager, wasn't it?

[old man villa fan]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

But you're just wanting people to agree with you and it doesn't work like that. After the final, I walked out and thought 'that's it, he's had long enough'. It was only after the financial storm went down that I thought having a manager without us adding to our problems by searching for one made sense, well to me anyway.

Agree with that. There will be a few players wanting to move if the manager is shipped out too. Who wants to be at a club with so much uncertainty.

Alternatively, they may think "thank God for that, I now may be able to play my natural game".

[Clampy]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

But you're just wanting people to agree with you and it doesn't work like that. After the final, I walked out and thought 'that's it, he's had long enough'. It was only after the financial storm went down that I thought having a manager without us adding to our problems by searching for one made sense, well to me anyway.

Agree with that. There will be a few players wanting to move if the manager is shipped out too. Who wants to be at a club with so much uncertainty.

Alternatively, they may think "thank God for that, I now may be able to play my natural game".

Which players in particular would think that, possibly apart from Hogan?