Quote from: Clampy on March 06, 2017, 02:06:32 PMI haven't seen us play any hoof ball under Bruce at all. What?
I haven't seen us play any hoof ball under Bruce at all.
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2017, 05:56:31 PM It baffles me that a lot of people still want Bruce out!?it baffles me how anyone can think he should staysince he's been here we are further away from even a play off place than we are a relegation spotwe have played the worst sort of crap hoof ball known to man even when we have wonevery game follows the same formula of eye bleeding hellish style play and hope one of the expensive forwards can nick one inits utter crap, we are 13th in a shit league playing rubbish football with absolutely no pressure as Bruce has managed to write of the complete rest of the season to nothing more than friendliesand you think on what you have seen so far he's the man to stick with as somehow he's going to grind out enough wins next season to go up, that's what baffles me
It baffles me that a lot of people still want Bruce out!?
Jedinak, Lansbury and Hourahane are definately the 3 for centre mid. For next season I'd have Bjanason and ideally Veretout but failing that Tshibola as back up for Hourahane and Lansbury but we need a proper stand in for Jedinak, and will have to buy one.The front 3 are looking like Green, Kodjia and Adomah, they are quick, a handful for defenders and fit into those roles the best. Unfortunately Hogan is probably going to struggle to play if we play that way which really begs the question of why Bruce signed him and not a proper wide player if he knew that was his likely formation. As it stands he'd be back up with Grealish and Bacuna, but we could still do with signing a more natural quick wide player to compete.Defense just needs a good centre back to compete with the first choice pair with Elphick as 4th choice. Maybe that will be Samba, if not we need to sign one.And we need to spend the big money on a goalkeeper, as this was the other baffling January deal and it needs sorting out once and for all in the summer.
I haven't seen us play any hoof ball under Bruce at all. Whilst it's not always been great, to call it the 'worst sort of crap hoof ball known to man' is the biggest exaggeration I've read on here in a long time.
Quote from: Clampy on March 06, 2017, 02:06:32 PMI haven't seen us play any hoof ball under Bruce at all. Whilst it's not always been great, to call it the 'worst sort of crap hoof ball known to man' is the biggest exaggeration I've read on here in a long time.I think what Bruce has served up so far has been utter tripe, some of the worst football I've ever seen in the last 40 years of watching Villa, bearing in mind that we are not playing top quality opposition we are up against Burton, Rotherham and Barnsley etcif your happy with it that's fine, my post would be a exaggeration in that casewe obviously have very different views on football and how we enjoy seeing it played
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 06, 2017, 08:14:56 AMQuote from: sid1964 on March 06, 2017, 07:58:29 AMMovement of the ball requires a few things - someone who can move into space to receive the ball, and we need someone who can pass the ball further than 2 yards ( I don't see many of those type of footballers down the Villa, or if in truth in the Chumpionship!)Lets be honest the football is dreadful even the team that are starting to move away at the top of the table are not very good.Not sure we will be able to play that way with Jedinak in the DM role. To play that kind of game, we need someone in that role who can get on the ball and pick out passes. Jedinak has other strengths, but that is not one of them. Jedinak is getting a bum rap on here at the moment. His has good passing abilities - I think - but is involved in a scrap most of the time meaning that time on the ball is a nanosecond in this league.
Quote from: sid1964 on March 06, 2017, 07:58:29 AMMovement of the ball requires a few things - someone who can move into space to receive the ball, and we need someone who can pass the ball further than 2 yards ( I don't see many of those type of footballers down the Villa, or if in truth in the Chumpionship!)Lets be honest the football is dreadful even the team that are starting to move away at the top of the table are not very good.Not sure we will be able to play that way with Jedinak in the DM role. To play that kind of game, we need someone in that role who can get on the ball and pick out passes. Jedinak has other strengths, but that is not one of them.
Movement of the ball requires a few things - someone who can move into space to receive the ball, and we need someone who can pass the ball further than 2 yards ( I don't see many of those type of footballers down the Villa, or if in truth in the Chumpionship!)Lets be honest the football is dreadful even the team that are starting to move away at the top of the table are not very good.
When we do try to pass the ball all too often we're doing it in the wrong areas and at a very 'easy' tempo.I firmly believe that the style bruce likes to use is focus on defensive shape and keeping things tight for 60-70 minutes and then having short spells where the team are free to attack. We start ok, have 10-15 minutes and then we go defensive, and then we have a spell after about an hour where we play for 10-15 minutes. Those are the only periods where we actually try to win the game. I understand it, it's a 'earn the right to play' approach, but it does mean there will be plenty of times where we pick the ball up near our own box and have no option but to lump it forward and hope the striker can either hold onto it for a bit or score a solo effort. The problems I have with it are that if we concede he doesn't seem to have another plan and it seems unsuited to a team that expects to win more often than not.Despite how it may come across I don't want us to play tiki-taka I think that only works if you have 2-3 game changers (such as messi, neymar and suarez) who only need half a yard of space to make something happen. When I talk about Barcelona I spend far more time praising the way they defend than I do talking about their attacking and passing. What I want to see us do is be able to adapt to what's in front of us. I want everyone to be confident they can trap a ball and receive a pass with a man at their back. I want us to have movement off the ball that opens gaps and players willing to play high risk/high reward passes when those gaps appear to try to make things happen.What I don't want is a team that's scared to have the ball and that's what I think we are right now. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong but I just don't see Bruce or this coaching team as being willing or able to fix that.
I think part of the problem is that we've been spoilt rotten with the standard of football we've seen in recent seasons, whoever was appointed manager was always going to have a lot to live up to. I think we should stick with him, despite the fact he's had 5 months to sort things out.
I don't think we play long ball, as that implies a deliberate tactic. My biggest criticism would be that until that first goal goes in or after a bright start, we look devoid of a method of attack, long ball or otherwise.