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Offline Marlon From Bearwood

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7170 on: October 15, 2017, 04:02:01 PM »
My concerns are more to do with the coaching than anything else. Does anyone really think that Calderwood and Clemence have what it takes to coach these players sufficiently well to succeed? Who is our attacking coach? From what I saw yesterday whoever it was had the week off.

These are men who have been coached since they were 7. They know how to play football. Managers can be blamed for picking the wrong team or formation or for not making the right substitutions but if an individual fails to perform that is down to him. On the basis of the last few weeks I am putting yesterday down to playing against a team who were better on the day. How we now respond will tell us more than a one off game.

I disagree Chris. Top level football is full of players who say that a certain manager or coach improved their game. Just because they're in their 20s or 30s doesn't mean they can't still improve.

How many players looked great at previous clubs but shit at Villa?

How many players looked shit for us, only for us to ship them out and watch them look great for their new club?

How many players actually improve during their time at the club?

Des is right, there is something fundamentally wrong with the coaching.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7171 on: October 15, 2017, 04:13:12 PM »
I reckon the results in september mean Bruce is now with us at least until the end of the season, unless promotion becomes impossible before that.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7172 on: October 15, 2017, 04:15:41 PM »
I reckon the results in september mean Bruce is now with us at least until the end of the season, unless promotion becomes impossible before that.
Exactly as I predicted, decent September, International break, fall short in October, too late.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7173 on: October 15, 2017, 04:19:30 PM »
I reckon the results in september mean Bruce is now with us at least until the end of the season, unless promotion becomes impossible before that.
Exactly as I predicted, decent September, International break, fall short in October, too late.

That's some crystal ball you've got there

Offline TheMalandro

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7174 on: October 15, 2017, 04:39:25 PM »
I reckon the results in september mean Bruce is now with us at least until the end of the season, unless promotion becomes impossible before that.
Exactly as I predicted, decent September, International break, fall short in October, too late.

That's some crystal ball you've got there

I must have the same one.

Offline Ads

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7175 on: October 15, 2017, 04:42:56 PM »
I don't think you should sack any manager who is one point off the play offs and five points off the top two.

But we were shite yesterday.

Unless you're Small Heath.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7176 on: October 15, 2017, 04:49:04 PM »
Hypothetical I know, but I wonder how Wolves would be getting on with Bruce in charge of that group of players?

He would never have brought them in the first place.

Any manager would have the same set as Mendes is the one deciding who comes in.

Would they play with the same style and flair though?

It's bit like Moyes taking over a swashbuckling Man. United team and turning them into a sideways passing negative team.

Wolves had Lambert in charge and ditched him because they could see his 30% possession template wasn't the way forward for what they wanted to do. No way would Wolves look as good if they'd keep Lambert.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7177 on: October 15, 2017, 04:50:16 PM »
I reckon the results in september mean Bruce is now with us at least until the end of the season, unless promotion becomes impossible before that.
Exactly as I predicted, decent September, International break, fall short in October, too late.


Depends how badly we do in the coming weeks. We could easily struggle to win any of our next four so he'd be back to the pressure he was after Brentford-Boro.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7178 on: October 15, 2017, 04:55:10 PM »
Hypothetical I know, but I wonder how Wolves would be getting on with Bruce in charge of that group of players?

He would never have brought them in the first place.

Any manager would have the same set as Mendes is the one deciding who comes in.

Would they play with the same style and flair though?

It's bit like Moyes taking over a swashbuckling Man. United team and turning them into a sideways passing negative team.

Wolves had Lambert in charge and ditched him because they could see his 30% possession template wasn't the way forward for what they wanted to do. No way would Wolves look as good if they'd keep Lambert.

Depends if they face a side who second half let them have as much room as they want in midfield.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7179 on: October 15, 2017, 04:55:24 PM »
I reckon the results in september mean Bruce is now with us at least until the end of the season, unless promotion becomes impossible before that.
Exactly as I predicted, decent September, International break, fall short in October, too late.


Predicting the international break was some doing, well done.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7180 on: October 15, 2017, 04:56:49 PM »
I predict Christmas will be in December for us.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7181 on: October 15, 2017, 04:57:44 PM »
I predict Christmas will be in December for us.

Can you be more specific?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7182 on: October 15, 2017, 04:59:24 PM »
I predict Christmas will be in December for us.

Can you be more specific?

Boxing Day will be on Boxing Day.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7183 on: October 15, 2017, 05:03:10 PM »
My concerns are more to do with the coaching than anything else. Does anyone really think that Calderwood and Clemence have what it takes to coach these players sufficiently well to succeed? Who is our attacking coach? From what I saw yesterday whoever it was had the week off.

These are men who have been coached since they were 7. They know how to play football. Managers can be blamed for picking the wrong team or formation or for not making the right substitutions but if an individual fails to perform that is down to him. On the basis of the last few weeks I am putting yesterday down to playing against a team who were better on the day. How we now respond will tell us more than a one off game.

I disagree Chris. Top level football is full of players who say that a certain manager or coach improved their game. Just because they're in their 20s or 30s doesn't mean they can't still improve.

How many players looked great at previous clubs but shit at Villa?

How many players looked shit for us, only for us to ship them out and watch them look great for their new club?

How many players actually improve during their time at the club?

Des is right, there is something fundamentally wrong with the coaching.

Our first defeat since 15th August tells you that there is something fundamentally wrong? I think there is a need for some perspective hear. If this is the start of a bad run then there is a reason for concern but at the moment itís one bad result.

Offline Villa75

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #7184 on: October 15, 2017, 05:27:22 PM »
My concerns are more to do with the coaching than anything else. Does anyone really think that Calderwood and Clemence have what it takes to coach these players sufficiently well to succeed? Who is our attacking coach? From what I saw yesterday whoever it was had the week off.

These are men who have been coached since they were 7. They know how to play football. Managers can be blamed for picking the wrong team or formation or for not making the right substitutions but if an individual fails to perform that is down to him. On the basis of the last few weeks I am putting yesterday down to playing against a team who were better on the day. How we now respond will tell us more than a one off game.

I disagree Chris. Top level football is full of players who say that a certain manager or coach improved their game. Just because they're in their 20s or 30s doesn't mean they can't still improve.

How many players looked great at previous clubs but shit at Villa?

How many players looked shit for us, only for us to ship them out and watch them look great for their new club?

How many players actually improve during their time at the club?

Des is right, there is something fundamentally wrong with the coaching.

Our first defeat since 15th August tells you that there is something fundamentally wrong? I think there is a need for some perspective hear. If this is the start of a bad run then there is a reason for concern but at the moment itís one bad result.

It all depends on individual perspectives and standards though.

One person might consider 0-0 home draws to Brentford and Middlesbrough as unacceptable, where someone else would look at the stats and them as a positive, being part of an unbeaten run.

Once again, it seems, those who are unhappy about the Wolves result are extra worried due too the complete capitulation they experienced. The hope that we were finally looking like a team capable of automatic promotion was trampled on, at least for now. The fact that it was a local rival that trod on those hopes makes it feel worse.

I suppose those that get their comfort from stats just won't appreciate that.