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Offline Risso

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2820 on: May 22, 2017, 06:49:22 PM »
I feel it's worse at Sunderland. They've been decaying from the outside in for longer than we have and nothing seems likely to change that. A double dip is on the cards.

Their parachute payments will be considerably more than ours though, surely?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2821 on: May 22, 2017, 07:05:51 PM »
We should be asking Steve Bruce to adopt Alex Ferguson's way and Manchester United playing style and get this working for Aston Villa. He know the system and played for them, he could ask Alex for advice if needed. It is not nuclear physics. we need a system and identity.

If it was that easy, Keane, Ince and all the rest of Fergie's patsies at other clubs might have cracked it by now.

Besides, when Bruce was there Fergie was still a meat and potatoes 4-4-2 merchant. Centerbacks boofing the ball away and wingers or second strikers providing the invention. It was the arrival of Queiroz and others that dragged Yanited into the 21st century.  Though credit to Fergie for at least breaking the mould and giving jobs to coaches with new ideas, rather than just his mates.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2822 on: May 22, 2017, 07:18:36 PM »
I feel it's worse at Sunderland. They've been decaying from the outside in for longer than we have and nothing seems likely to change that. A double dip is on the cards.

Their parachute payments will be considerably more than ours though, surely?

I think so yes. They'd be hard pressed to spend as much as we did mind.

They need root and branch change. Short is as clueless as Randy and their squad is absolutely desperate.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2823 on: May 22, 2017, 07:20:34 PM »
Sunderland are the very epitome of us 12 months ago.  Despicably bad on the field, a totally disinterested owner off it, no Manager and a very shit squad.  They in my opinion will finish where we did this season.

Probably worse because there's little chance of a new owner and the big spending we did.  Hull look just as bad and Boro don't look likely to be challenging at the top either.  That's why there really can't be any excuses, the quality in the league is definitely lower than last season.
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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2824 on: May 22, 2017, 07:26:12 PM »
Well there's talk of about 15 players leaving Sunderland, players refusing to play in games, and Defoe is already negotiating a move to Bournemouth.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2825 on: May 22, 2017, 07:49:48 PM »
This stuff about waiting for Wagner is just fanciful it really is.  Bruce is going nowhere.  And that even assumes Wagner would be stupid enough to consider it.  He's a very clever German bloke with ambition.  He doesn't need to risk his career on the lottery that is Villa.

He was prepared to last season before we got Bruce in but that is irrelevant now. Bruce is here for the start of next season.

Have I missed something? Wagner wanted to come here?

Not having a pop, it's just the first time I've read this.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2826 on: May 22, 2017, 08:23:17 PM »
Well there's talk of about 15 players leaving Sunderland, players refusing to play in games, and Defoe is already negotiating a move to Bournemouth.

So Lescott has made his mark there too.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2827 on: May 22, 2017, 10:51:37 PM »
This stuff about waiting for Wagner is just fanciful it really is.  Bruce is going nowhere.  And that even assumes Wagner would be stupid enough to consider it.  He's a very clever German bloke with ambition.  He doesn't need to risk his career on the lottery that is Villa.

He was prepared to last season before we got Bruce in but that is irrelevant now. Bruce is here for the start of next season.

Have I missed something? Wagner wanted to come here?

Not having a pop, it's just the first time I've read this.

I imagine it was the reason we delayed in appointing Bruce. Shame he decided to stick it out there, trusting in his own ability without a pot to piss in.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2828 on: May 22, 2017, 11:51:24 PM »
This stuff about waiting for Wagner is just fanciful it really is.  Bruce is going nowhere.  And that even assumes Wagner would be stupid enough to consider it.  He's a very clever German bloke with ambition.  He doesn't need to risk his career on the lottery that is Villa.

He was prepared to last season before we got Bruce in but that is irrelevant now. Bruce is here for the start of next season.

Have I missed something? Wagner wanted to come here?

Not having a pop, it's just the first time I've read this.

I imagine it was the reason we delayed in appointing Bruce. Shame he decided to stick it out there, trusting in his own ability without a pot to piss in.

How do we know this?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2829 on: May 23, 2017, 12:07:22 AM »
I feel it's worse at Sunderland. They've been decaying from the outside in for longer than we have and nothing seems likely to change that. A double dip is on the cards.

Their parachute payments will be considerably more than ours though, surely?

Clubs get 40 million in their first season after relegation, 33 million during their second and 14 million in season three.

So we get 7 million less than them next year. Not the biggest amount, all things considered.

We could really do with getting promoted next year or the one after at the very latest though.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2830 on: May 23, 2017, 12:08:18 AM »
I don't think we KNOW anything but there were definitely stories around it and I seem to recall stories of their chairman warning us off.  Now how that translates him being tempted is the real grey area.  We also don't know how that would translate to any interest this time around and I think it's fairly clear that Bruce is under no real pressure so the whole thing is academic.  What's really frustrating is that for the first time in years we have a manager who has missed his targets and has a contract that means we wouldn't have to pay him off and we're just going to stick with it instead of even having a discrete look around.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2831 on: May 23, 2017, 12:20:49 AM »
Don't worry. Sunderland are every bit as inept at signing players as we are and shell out loads on utter bollocks. They'll fuck up their parachute payments I'm convinced of it.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2832 on: May 23, 2017, 12:23:31 AM »
Well, it's difficult to know whether Sunderland will fuck up their transfers when we don't know who will be making them.

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2833 on: May 23, 2017, 12:36:38 AM »
I feel it's worse at Sunderland. They've been decaying from the outside in for longer than we have and nothing seems likely to change that. A double dip is on the cards.

Their parachute payments will be considerably more than ours though, surely?

Clubs get 40 million in their first season after relegation, 33 million during their second and 14 million in season three.

So we get 7 million less than them next year. Not the biggest amount, all things considered.

We could really do with getting promoted next year or the one after at the very latest though.

Isn't it more for clubs relegated now as what we get is based on the old deal and Sunderland etc will be on the new deal?

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Re: Bruce out?
« Reply #2834 on: May 23, 2017, 12:41:53 AM »
Ermmm.... I dunno.