Quote from: brontebilly on August 18, 2018, 10:19:37 PMQuote from: Bermuda Villa on August 18, 2018, 09:15:03 PMIts true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.Green and RHM were injured at the back end of last season. Davis got plenty of chancesThe only hard luck story of that crew really is O'Hare who got very limited chances and by all accounts wasn't allowed go on loan either. The reality is loanees like Snodgrass were vastly superior to some of the options above, though Bruce should certainly have rotated a lot more last season.To be honest I wouldn't see the job of the manager to build anything long term, that should be the responsibility of the CEO or director of football.The bold bit is the key. I don't think anyone is wanting 5-6 of the kids to start 30-40 games but to have 20-30 minutes fairly regularly because not only does it give them the experience they need but it also means you not flogging the life out of the senior players.Aside from that any manager who isn't thinking of 2-3 seasons at a club is a charlatan who knows he'll only last as long as it takes the board to figure him out. On that basis we should be seeing now work done by Bruce in the first few months to make sure the kids were learning to play a way that would benefit the first team. Bruce has never done that, he has no record of dragging a kid from the academy up so they become a top player. He can recognise a player with ability when it's in front of him, even if they're young, but he can't, for example, watch a young winger and think "I'd make a good full back out of him".One of the things people like about him is the supposed honesty but I think that's mostly just because he sees the game the same way a fan does so people hear him echoing what they thought. The problem is that he just can't do anything about it beyond buying in players that someone else has developed.
Quote from: Bermuda Villa on August 18, 2018, 09:15:03 PMIts true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.Green and RHM were injured at the back end of last season. Davis got plenty of chancesThe only hard luck story of that crew really is O'Hare who got very limited chances and by all accounts wasn't allowed go on loan either. The reality is loanees like Snodgrass were vastly superior to some of the options above, though Bruce should certainly have rotated a lot more last season.To be honest I wouldn't see the job of the manager to build anything long term, that should be the responsibility of the CEO or director of football.
Its true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 17, 2018, 09:20:29 PMWell he definitely isn't over 6 foot is heHe is, he's just far away.
Well he definitely isn't over 6 foot is he
Place on bench at best for RHM today and hopefully some minutes Would like to see him get opportunity to play but as he didn't score 10 goals against Burton he won't be starting .And moving forward he will have lost some match time with Abrahams coming in both are 20 years old though
This is it - We all go on about our youngsters but Abraham has scored 20+ goals. RHM looks lost most of the time with a few flashes. Think about what Rooney, Owen and co were doing at 17 and Villa fans cry over Green going on loan when the reality is he's managed a handful of promising performances and has a terrible injury record. We seem to put our youngsters on a pedestal without any substance to back it up.
Hopefully a good move for him, he needs game at first team level, if he can get 15ish starts and scores some goals then it'll be huge for his confidence. He's easily good enough to score goals at that level. My only concern isthat I'd have preferred him joining some chasing promotion than battling relegation.
Quote from: paul_e on January 11, 2019, 03:05:29 PMHopefully a good move for him, he needs game at first team level, if he can get 15ish starts and scores some goals then it'll be huge for his confidence. He's easily good enough to score goals at that level. My only concern isthat I'd have preferred him joining some chasing promotion than battling relegation.Agree Paul. Hopefully he can stay fit for the rest of the season and have a good run of games. I like the look of what I have seen of him so far, but not sure he is suited to playing up front on his own really.
The problem with Green & RHM is that they're never fit for long enough.Young injury prone players are rarely if ever worth persevering with.