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Offline UK Redsox

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #885 on: August 10, 2017, 10:35:35 PM »
When Bumble made his picks, Tresco over Chef was the right call. However, eight years on, Cook must be the choice.

I'd have Tresco at three

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #886 on: August 11, 2017, 12:04:00 AM »
Root didn't make his debut until 2012 so wouldn't be eligible.

My selections were from the noughties onwards.  My earliest recollections of watching cricket are from about 1991 onwards and the only difference I'd make in my all time team since then from the one I chose a few posts back would be to put that era Gooch in instead of Atherton.  It was some Indian summer Gooch had around that time. 
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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #887 on: August 11, 2017, 10:16:21 AM »
Atherton
Cook
Vaughan (c)
Pietersen
Bell
Stewart (w)
Flintoff
Swann
Jones
Harmison
Anderson

I like things like this, they always entirely subjective. For me, there are a few changes to make it my ideal line up.

I think that Cook edges Trescothick. Tresco was a great player but he never dominated attacks like Cook did his in prime. A player with as many test centuries as Cook has should always be in the side.

I did consider replacing Vaughan with Trott as the top three needs an anchor, an obdurate batsman who can hang around. However having a top three of Atherton, Cook and Trott would be too obdurate. Vaughan would also be my captain.

Pietersen edges Root based upon his star quality. Yes he was a twat but teams do need something special at number four. Root is a fabulous player and in a few years he will undoubtedly replace KP in a similar side but KP has won several Ashes series and that must count for something.

Bell replaces Thorpe based upon technical excellence, five Ashes series wins and over 7,000 test match runs. His performance in the 2013 home Ashes was phenomenal. For me Thorpe flattered to deceive too often and was rarely part of an England side with an ingrained winning habit.

Id pick Simon Jones above Darren Gough. On his day, Jones was unplayable and a master of reverse swing. If he had stayed fit he would have easily reached number one in the world bowling rankings. Gough was good and had a heart like a lion but Jones possessed a bag of tricks with the ball to rival Warne.

The final consideration was between Harmison and Broad. Broad has produced some of the most destructive spells of bowling that Ive seen from an England player. His 8-15 against the Aussies at Trent Bridge in 2015 will live long in the memory. I went for Harmison based upon his raw pace. Every side needs an express fast bowler and Harmison is that man.

It will be interesting to consider this again in five years when Moeen and Bairstow will come into the reckoning.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #888 on: August 11, 2017, 10:19:52 AM »
Jones was pure class but unfortunately he didn't play enough to be ranked amongst those greats.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #889 on: August 11, 2017, 10:29:19 AM »
Not convinced about the Stoneman selection, think he'll score some runs v Windies then flop v the Aussies. Although I do think he's a better choice than Hameed.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #890 on: August 11, 2017, 10:34:13 AM »
Not convinced about the Stoneman selection, think he'll score some runs v Windies then flop v the Aussies. Although I do think he's a better choice than Hameed.

I think it is a pretty sound selection.  They can have a look at Stoneman and Hameed gets a bit more time in County cricket to find some form.  We're going to need to take three openers to Australia, so if Hameed's form picks up he will go, leaving a choice between Stoneman and Jennings for the other spot. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #891 on: August 11, 2017, 10:51:13 AM »
Not convinced about the Stoneman selection, think he'll score some runs v Windies then flop v the Aussies. Although I do think he's a better choice than Hameed.

I think it is a pretty sound selection.  They can have a look at Stoneman and Hameed gets a bit more time in County cricket to find some form.  We're going to need to take three openers to Australia, so if Hameed's form picks up he will go, leaving a choice between Stoneman and Jennings for the other spot.


Why is it a sound selection, when Stoneman's opening partner at Surrey is younger, has scored more runs over the past couple of years and has a much better career average?

On Hameed, everyone is talking about 'form', but I think when his lack of runs have been over 3/4 of a season it is a bit of a stretch just to put it down to 'poor form'. The media and the player himself seem to be fooling everyone with that one.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #892 on: August 11, 2017, 11:30:47 AM »
Not convinced about the Stoneman selection, think he'll score some runs v Windies then flop v the Aussies. Although I do think he's a better choice than Hameed.

I think it is a pretty sound selection.  They can have a look at Stoneman and Hameed gets a bit more time in County cricket to find some form.  We're going to need to take three openers to Australia, so if Hameed's form picks up he will go, leaving a choice between Stoneman and Jennings for the other spot.


Why is it a sound selection, when Stoneman's opening partner at Surrey is younger, has scored more runs over the past couple of years and has a much better career average?

On Hameed, everyone is talking about 'form', but I think when his lack of runs have been over 3/4 of a season it is a bit of a stretch just to put it down to 'poor form'. The media and the player himself seem to be fooling everyone with that one.

The first point is fair one, but I guess Stoneman is the name that has been pushed for some time (including Alec Stewart recently) so I guess he is seen as next cab off the rank. 

As for the second point, 3/4 of a season accounts for what, 8 or 9 games?  Not really a huge amount of games although I do admit it has been a disappointing summer for him so far.  He looked very good last winter though and I suppose he showed enough talent then for people to want to persist with him.       

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #893 on: August 11, 2017, 12:12:10 PM »
Not convinced about the Stoneman selection, think he'll score some runs v Windies then flop v the Aussies. Although I do think he's a better choice than Hameed.

I think it is a pretty sound selection.  They can have a look at Stoneman and Hameed gets a bit more time in County cricket to find some form.  We're going to need to take three openers to Australia, so if Hameed's form picks up he will go, leaving a choice between Stoneman and Jennings for the other spot.


Why is it a sound selection, when Stoneman's opening partner at Surrey is younger, has scored more runs over the past couple of years and has a much better career average?

On Hameed, everyone is talking about 'form', but I think when his lack of runs have been over 3/4 of a season it is a bit of a stretch just to put it down to 'poor form'. The media and the player himself seem to be fooling everyone with that one.

The first point is fair one, but I guess Stoneman is the name that has been pushed for some time (including Alec Stewart recently) so I guess he is seen as next cab off the rank. 

As for the second point, 3/4 of a season accounts for what, 8 or 9 games?  Not really a huge amount of games although I do admit it has been a disappointing summer for him so far.  He looked very good last winter though and I suppose he showed enough talent then for people to want to persist with him.     

I guess Burns will have to wait for one or two more failures to be considered for an opportunity.

Put another way, it is 16-18 innings. A lot less than England batsmen get given before they are written off as being not good enough. Whilst Hameed didn't do a bad job in India, the slow/low pitches meant I wasn't sold based on that alone, and in more testing swinging conditions back home he has been found out, as I believe he would be against genuine pace on bouncy, Australian tracks.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #894 on: August 11, 2017, 12:23:42 PM »
Forty years ago today, the 100th Hundred


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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #895 on: August 11, 2017, 12:30:10 PM »
Not convinced about the Stoneman selection, think he'll score some runs v Windies then flop v the Aussies. Although I do think he's a better choice than Hameed.

I think it is a pretty sound selection.  They can have a look at Stoneman and Hameed gets a bit more time in County cricket to find some form.  We're going to need to take three openers to Australia, so if Hameed's form picks up he will go, leaving a choice between Stoneman and Jennings for the other spot.


Why is it a sound selection, when Stoneman's opening partner at Surrey is younger, has scored more runs over the past couple of years and has a much better career average?

On Hameed, everyone is talking about 'form', but I think when his lack of runs have been over 3/4 of a season it is a bit of a stretch just to put it down to 'poor form'. The media and the player himself seem to be fooling everyone with that one.

The first point is fair one, but I guess Stoneman is the name that has been pushed for some time (including Alec Stewart recently) so I guess he is seen as next cab off the rank. 

As for the second point, 3/4 of a season accounts for what, 8 or 9 games?  Not really a huge amount of games although I do admit it has been a disappointing summer for him so far.  He looked very good last winter though and I suppose he showed enough talent then for people to want to persist with him.     

I guess Burns will have to wait for one or two more failures to be considered for an opportunity.

Put another way, it is 16-18 innings. A lot less than England batsmen get given before they are written off as being not good enough. Whilst Hameed didn't do a bad job in India, the slow/low pitches meant I wasn't sold based on that alone, and in more testing swinging conditions back home he has been found out, as I believe he would be against genuine pace on bouncy, Australian tracks.

I'm obviously not privy to selection discussions, but I've never really seen Burns linked or talked about in regards to national selection.  It's getting pretty desperate though, so I wouldn't rule out anyone at this juncture. 

I guess time will tell with Hameed. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #896 on: August 11, 2017, 12:42:23 PM »
Forty years ago today, the 100th Hundred



Or if you believe Aggers on TMS it was number 99!

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #897 on: August 11, 2017, 12:43:07 PM »
Andrew Samson's acting was pretty good as well

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #898 on: August 11, 2017, 01:10:08 PM »
Is he still in?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #899 on: August 11, 2017, 01:18:09 PM »
Is he still in?

Yes he's using a stick of rhubarb as a bat and wearing his mom's old pinny.