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Offline Villan For Life

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #840 on: August 07, 2017, 12:58:38 PM »
The South African batting line up is weak. As a bowling unit they are amongst the best in the world in most conditions but their exisiting batting line up is fragile at best.

18-2, Jimmy gets Kuhn.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #841 on: August 07, 2017, 01:14:02 PM »
Kuhn is a walking wicket. I reckon I'd get him out before long.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #842 on: August 07, 2017, 01:43:49 PM »
Interesting discussion during the rain delay regarding playing Hales at five

The void at five has come as a result of James Taylor's terrible misfortune.  He was beginning to establish himself in that position.

I don't think Malan is the answer going forward.   

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #843 on: August 07, 2017, 02:02:45 PM »
Interesting discussion during the rain delay regarding playing Hales at five

The void at five has come as a result of James Taylor's terrible misfortune.  He was beginning to establish himself in that position.

I don't think Malan is the answer going forward.   

The continual chopping and changing of personnel is a worry. Jennings isn't good enough, Westley needs a score to cement his place and as you say Malan is not the answer.

Stoneman is the lastest to be touted for a place and I can see a recall for Ballance to bat at five. Root clearly rates him which is hardly surprising given that they came through the ranks at Yorkshire together. However Ballance still hasn't ironed out his technical flaws and as a result he's a wicket waiting to happen.

Selection for the series against the West Indies will be made with one eye on the Ashes so it's to be hoped that Hameed comes good again because otherwise we will go into the Ashes with an unsettled opening pair.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #844 on: August 07, 2017, 02:07:05 PM »
Interesting discussion during the rain delay regarding playing Hales at five

The void at five has come as a result of James Taylor's terrible misfortune.  He was beginning to establish himself in that position.

I don't think Malan is the answer going forward.   

The continual chopping and changing of personnel is a worry. Jennings isn't good enough, Westley needs a score to cement his place and as you say Malan is not the answer.

Stoneman is the lastest to be touted for a place and I can see a recall for Ballance to bat at five. Root clearly rates him which is hardly surprising given that they came through the ranks at Yorkshire together. However Ballance still hasn't ironed out his technical flaws and as a result he's a wicket waiting to happen.

Selection for the series against the West Indies will be made with one eye on the Ashes so it's to be hoped that Hameed comes good again because otherwise we will go into the Ashes with an unsettled opening pair.

Hameed is a poor player. He rode the crest of a wave in India after 1 good season. Now he has been found out even at County level and is an opener who just goes into 'survival mode' rather than ever looking to score any runs.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #845 on: August 07, 2017, 02:11:01 PM »
Interesting discussion during the rain delay regarding playing Hales at five

The void at five has come as a result of James Taylor's terrible misfortune.  He was beginning to establish himself in that position.

I don't think Malan is the answer going forward.   

The continual chopping and changing of personnel is a worry. Jennings isn't good enough, Westley needs a score to cement his place and as you say Malan is not the answer.

Stoneman is the lastest to be touted for a place and I can see a recall for Ballance to bat at five. Root clearly rates him which is hardly surprising given that they came through the ranks at Yorkshire together. However Ballance still hasn't ironed out his technical flaws and as a result he's a wicket waiting to happen.

Selection for the series against the West Indies will be made with one eye on the Ashes so it's to be hoped that Hameed comes good again because otherwise we will go into the Ashes with an unsettled opening pair.

Hameed is a poor player. He rode the crest of a wave in India after 1 good season. Now he has been found out even at County level and is an opener who just goes into 'survival mode' rather than ever looking to score any runs.

I think with the right coaching and guidance he could develop into a decent opener. We've lacked a batsman with "stickability" since Trott's retirement. Sometimes test batting is about occupying the crease and our batsmen don't stick around long enough.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #846 on: August 07, 2017, 03:35:16 PM »
Bit quick to write Hameed off so soon, unlessyoure a Lancashire member I doubt you've seen much of him, how do you come to the conclusion he's a poor player?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #847 on: August 07, 2017, 03:55:08 PM »
Bit quick to write Hameed off so soon, unlessyoure a Lancashire member I doubt you've seen much of him, how do you come to the conclusion he's a poor player?

Yeah that does seem a bit harsh.  After all he might just be going through the kind of slump many young sports men and women do early in their careers. 

My concern is that the two test series have come the wrong way around this summer really.  We could have done with facing the West Indies first, allowing new players to settle in a bit and then gone into the sterner test against the South African attack.  As it is, we might be blooding new players against a weaker attack which won't really give us any clues about whether they will be able to step up against the Australians. 

As it is, I think Westley has done enough to keep his place against the West Indies, but Jennings and Malan need to come out.  Stoneman has to be given a chance at opener in the first test against the West Indies, but I'm not sure who is picked at five. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #848 on: August 07, 2017, 04:15:41 PM »
This stand between Amla and du Plessis is now irritating. We need to regroup at tea and come hard at them in the evening session.

Edit! Super Moeen Ali gets Amla lbw. That's a huge wicket.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 04:19:58 PM by Villan For Life »

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #849 on: August 07, 2017, 04:42:12 PM »
Moeen is a very strange bowler isn't he? He can trundle along not looking particularly threatening for a while, then all of a sudden it's like he's going through batsmen like Trump goes through spokesmen.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #850 on: August 07, 2017, 05:28:38 PM »
Player of the series is likely to be England's number eight batsman / second spinner

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #851 on: August 07, 2017, 05:34:24 PM »
Earlier on TMS.......

"He's itching de Kock" - Graeme Smith

Which was followed up by "de Kock's itching"

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #852 on: August 07, 2017, 05:46:06 PM »
25 wickets in a series for Moeen Ali is a fantastic performance. Such an important member of the side now.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #853 on: August 07, 2017, 06:02:20 PM »
Good win and a good series win.  Answered a few questions regarding how the team should look going forward.
First time we've beaten them at hime in a series since 1998, so not to be sniffed at.

As for South Africa, I think they are fine in the bowling department even without Dale Steyn.  Some of their batsmen struggled in the conditions up here, by put I think there have been positives with Bavuma and Elgar's hundred. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #854 on: August 07, 2017, 06:44:55 PM »
Bit quick to write Hameed off so soon, unlessyoure a Lancashire member I doubt you've seen much of him, how do you come to the conclusion he's a poor player?

Indeed.